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Confident about Melo re-signing? Not me...

78409_nuggets_cavaliers_basketball_medium_mediumAs the true story of how LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh colluded...errrrrr...agreed to sign with Miami unfolds, I'm getting less and less confident that Carmelo Anthony will re-sign with the Nuggets.

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First off, major props to Denver Stiffs reader "ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown" for bringing Yahoo! Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski's amazing expose on the LeBron James signing to our attention in a FanPost earlier today.  While this article proved to be a fascinating and insightful read about the process that brought LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh together in Miami, in many ways I wish I hadn't read it.  After finishing Wojnarowski's column, it makes me fearful that the Nuggets may not keep Carmelo Anthony after all, regardless of how much money Melo might be leaving on the table if he jettisons Denver for New York or elsewhere.

Among the many shocking revelations to come out of Wojnarowski's column, I was most struck by LeBron's obsession with being wooed (not surprising, I guess, considering what a self-obsessed jerk LeBron has turned out to be) and the number of times William Wesley - aka "Worldwide Wes" - was mentioned.  That would be 17 times in case you were counting, too.

Being a self-professed NBA aficionado, I've of course heard of Wesley prior to this afternoon.  But I'm embarrassed to admit that I didn't know about or grasp the full extent of Wesley's influence over the business endeavors of the modern NBA and many of its players.  I wrongfully assumed that Wesley was just another entourage guy; a hangers-on who loiters around NBA players but has no skin in the game or real influence.

After reading several articles and blog posts on Wesley ranging from a 2007 GQ article not-so-subtlety-titled "Is This the Most Powerful Man in Sports?" to True Hoop's Henry Abbott's relentless collection of facts and innuendo about Wesley, it appears as though Wesley has a great deal of influence over the players he's closely associated with.  And lucky for us as Nuggets fans, one of those players happens to be Carmelo Anthony (I'm trying to be sarcastic with that line, by the way).

I encourage Denver Stiffs readers to read about Wesley.  But the short synopsis is that Wesley is most closely affiliated with NBA super agent Leon Rose, a former high school basketball standout from the same New Jersey town that Wesley is from, Cherry Hill.  Wesley was able to milk his relationship with Rose and former NBA player Milt Wagner (another Cherry Hill resident) to work his way up to working for Rick Mahorn, Michael Jordan (no joke) and has even been an "aide" to Allen Iverson.  

Meanwhile, as far as agents go Rose is no slouch.  Rose's clients, past and present, have included Melo, Iverson, Richard Hamilton, Eddy Curry, Eddie Jones, Andrea Bargnani, O.J. Mayo, Jonny Flynn, Ty Lawson and...you guessed it...LeBron James.  From everything I've read today, Rose and Wesley are a tag-team operation with Rose doing the out-front negotiating and Wesley operating mysteriously in the background.  They're kind of like the Bush/Cheney of the NBA, I guess.

According to Wojnarowski, Wesley was involved in Cleveland's dismissal of head coach Mike Brown (despite coaching the Cavaliers to back-to-back 60-plus win seasons) and was instrumental in LeBron's departure from Cleveland, even though LeBron's "inner circle", made up of his boys from Akron, wanted the self-anointed "King" to stay in Ohio.  And according to the GQ article, while running the Knicks into the ground Isiah Thomas drafted and/or acquired Rose clients in hopes of landing LeBron in New York some day.

So while many Nuggets fans and members of the Denver media are confident that Melo will stay in Denver (and why shouldn't they be...not only was Melo offered a $65 million extension but he's owed $18.5 million in 2011-12 if he doesn't opt-out of his contract, meaning he'd be leaving $83.5 million on the table if he forgoes the extension), count me in for being skeptical.  And worried.  I may not be the biggest Melo fan in Denver, but I'm the first to recognize that this franchise doesn't make seven-straight playoff appearances without #15 in uniform and if anyone deserves a max contract in the NBA, Melo is on the list.

Why the skepticism?  Because Melo is presumably being counseled by the same characters - Rose and Wesley - who "handled" LeBron's free agency which essentially ruined four franchises (the Cavs, Raptors, Nets and Knicks) while making the Heat a dominant NBA force of years to come.  Granted, LeBron's situation was more complicated given that he had his boys from Akron, including Maverick Carter (the alleged mastermind behind the brilliant "The Decision"), involved.  But just like Rose and Wesley aided greatly in jerking LeBron out of Cleveland - while jerking the city of Cleveland around in the process - the very same thing could happen in Denver.  You see, when you're hanging out with the Jay-Zs, Michael Jordans and the Bill Clintons of the world, as Wesley is alleged to, places like Cleveland and Denver just don't cut it.

By now you're probably thinking: what are Nuggets fans and the organization to do about all this?  

I say: read the tea leaves as much as possible, start working on a contingency plan for a post-Melo world and don't be afraid to pull the trigger on a deal before it's too late.  

In hindsight, as pointed out by Wojnarowski it was obvious that LeBron was leaving Cleveland all along: the dive in Games 5 and 6 against the Celtics, the refusal to take Tom Izzo's phone calls, the refusal to meet Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert in person, the refusal to talk to new Cavs coach Byron Scott for more than a handshake moment, and so on.  The signs were everywhere, but Cavaliers fans and NBA purists like me just didn't want to believe it.

Melo certainly hasn't pulled a LeBron on us in Denver...yet.  But we must be somewhat concerned about Chris Paul (allegedly) announcing that "We'll form our own Big 3" in New York at Melo's wedding...in New York.  We must be somewhat concerned about Melo's wife's obsession with extending her 15 minutes of fame for another 15 minutes in a big media market...like New York.  We must be somewhat concerned that Melo - who has no endorsements to speak of other than a slightly above standard Nike deal - hasn't jumped at what's essentially an $83.5 million contract extension.  And after seeing what just happened with LeBron and Cleveland, we must be somewhat concerned about Melo being under the influence of Rose and Wesley.

I get that there's no loyalty left in sports, either from organizations or from players.  That said, the Nuggets have done the right thing by offering Melo a max contract extension now.  But if Melo waffles on signing the extension and more and more signs add up that he's heading elsewhere, the Nuggets may have to do one more right thing and trade Melo while they can.  

Otherwise, we're going to get LeBron'd in Denver.

Photo courtesy of AP: Tony Dejak

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To make matters worse

Melo’s 9.5 million dollar home in Denver is up for sale. I saw it in the paper this morning.

Scott and Dempsy talked a little about Melo and signing an extension on thier show today and Scott thinks Melo is gone as well. He said if Melo wanted to win in Denver he would sign the extension and recruit players ie. Chris Paul to come to Denver and win there. Instead, Melo will most likely leave the extension and Denver on the table and never touch it again. It sucks but it’s life. Players keep coming out of college and gkeep getting better and better. Look at Durant. If Melo leaves it’s not the end of the world, but it will be tough on this franchise. Lets all hope Ty Lawson can be a special player like Paul, Rondo, D Will etc. because I see Ty being a loyal guy to Denver other than Melo who’s got agents, friends and an already annoying wife telling him to go elsewhere.

Also, shouldn’t Chris Paul be fined or suspended for going out and saying “we’ll form our own big three in New York” while being under contract for the Hornets? That’s as disrespectful and unprofessional as you can get to your current team and fans.

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by Garrett Olsen on Jul 20, 2010 12:12 AM MDT reply actions  

how do u know what his wife is telling him

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by m3llofan on Jul 20, 2010 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

She's been quoted

saying that she wants to live in NY. You do’t think she’s gonna have any influence on his decision?

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by Garrett Olsen on Jul 20, 2010 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

im sure she will have some, rightfully so

that doesnt mean he will just leave because she wouldnt mind living there. id think he would make a basketball descision, and i dnt think she would be pressuring him to leave

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by m3llofan on Jul 20, 2010 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Dude

she wants to live there they just bought a house out there. She doesn’t just kinda wanna maybe live there… she really wants to live there. All I’m sayin is if Melo wants toi win in Denver he would have signed the extension by bow and be recruiting players to the team.

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by Garrett Olsen on Jul 20, 2010 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

alright

i didnt say she “just kinda wanna maybe live there.” u say it like u just got off the phone with Melo or something. and i dnt think him wanting 2 win in Denver soley depends on him doing the FO’s job. just my opinion..Dude

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by m3llofan on Jul 20, 2010 6:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think

he should have to do the FO job either but making a phone call to Chris Bosh last year at the deadline or this summer sayin hey man we need a big man you wanna come play with me in Denver for the next 5 years? wouldn’t hurt the team.

To me, if I am an impact player in the NBA looking for a team and someone like Melo called me and wanted me to play with him on an already good team, I would prob. highly consider it.

If he really wants more help then he should figure out what player he wants and then make a call and let the FO know.

And I’m getting my La La bullshit from some article my ex girlfriend found a couple months ago in some chick magazine that interviewd her and she said she wants to live in NY, she loves the big city blah blah blah.

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by Garrett Olsen on Jul 21, 2010 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

idk how Denver would be able to pay Chris Bosh in the first place, and who even knos if he would play in Denver. and im sure theres no way TO wouldve traded him. i dnt even think we need a player like him.

im guessing you probably dnt just mean try and get Chris Bosh, but just used him as an example. but nobody knos if Melo has tried to talk 2 ppl. but in interviews he always says he lets the FO do what they think is best and that he likes 2 stay out of it. even if he wanted a player to come to Denver, that doesnt mean they would just up and do it

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by m3llofan on Jul 21, 2010 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yea

I meant Bosh as an example, and personally I’m kinda glad Denver didn’t do that because Idk how well Bosh and Melo would mesh. I think Miami is in for a rude awakening when they realise they have 3 players that command around 30 shots a game on your team and you only got about 100 shots a game to work with.

I just wish melo would do a little recruiting. It’s a lot of politics these days in pro sports.

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by Garrett Olsen on Jul 21, 2010 4:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t think she could ever rival Jackie Christie in the NBA-player-whipped-by-his-wife department. That said, knock on wood

by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 20, 2010 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

There's still plenty of loyalty left in Australian sports. :D

Not that that helps the Nuggets keep Melo.

Julian from Australia

by j-mac31 on Jul 20, 2010 12:20 AM MDT reply actions  

true that there is.

And thats why Gary Ablett is going to stay at Geelong! not that i like Geelong or anything.. No one but Australians will know what im saying.

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by stan_26 on Jul 20, 2010 12:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

The only thing I know about Aussie's is from the Simpsons

“I’ll have a water”
“One beer”
“No a WA-TER”
“A BE-ER”
“No…W-A”
“…B-E”

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 20, 2010 8:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

"You call that a knife? This is a knife!"

“That’s not a knife, that’s a spoon.”

“Alright, alright, you win. I see you’ve played knifey-spoony before.”

by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 20, 2010 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thats our national sport.

i joke.

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by stan_26 on Jul 20, 2010 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm relatively confident that Melo is staying

1. New York is a mess and will remain a mess in to next year. Paul is locked up till 2012 and possibly 2013 (player option) and Melo would be stuck with a Mike D’Antoni coached team in New York….several steps back from the team he has in Denver. Plus, New York won’t have the cap room to sign both players unless they do some massive trading.

2. The NBA may not even play in the 2011 season (lockout) so I’m not sure what Melo would be counting on.

3. Has Melo struck any of you….even the Melo detractors….as a person who craves the kind of spotlight that Lebron does? Lebron has ALWAYS been a prima donna even back to High School. His sense of entitlement goes well beyond just basketball. While Melo has his troubles, I don’t get the sense that he’s spotlight hungry like Lebron. I could be wrong…but I don’t think so.

If Melo leaves it WILL set the franchise back. No doubt about it. On the other hand, after what will be 8 years in Denver I think we can all say that it’s a long enough time to prove one’s self. If Melo doesn’t think he can do it in Denver then so be it. I will wish him luck and enjoy the memories of him being a Nuggets. What separates Denver fans from Cleveland fans is we don’t have a persecution complex. Denver fans will go on. It will be REALLY rough to rebuild but I think it can be done.

Need to get that front office situation handled though….first and foremost.

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by jpage78 on Jul 20, 2010 12:27 AM MDT reply actions  

I must also add this

Melo doesn’t owe us anything other than the dignity of knowing the outcome. If the FO gets wind that Melo will decline the extension then I anticipate they will trade him to some NBA Siberia for draft picks and some filler scrubs. Then the long process of rebuilding will begin. Kenyon will be gone….potentially JR….maybe even Nene after next year….even Chauncey. The Nuggets will keep TY, but I need to see some more playing time from him before I bestow “next new hope” for the Nuggets on him. I like what I’ve seen, I just need to see more. Then….we see what the FO will do and go from there.

I don’t believe ANY of this will happen. I think Melo will sign the extension and make several more runs at the Lakers.

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by jpage78 on Jul 20, 2010 12:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

+1
Melo doesn’t owe us anything other than the dignity of knowing the outcome.

by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 20, 2010 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

i think hes staying too

he said already that he doesnt need all the attention Lebron wants, and he doesnt need to be recruited again. and i remember him saying something about the nuggets only need about 1 more peice. i think his deciscion will probly depend on how things go this upcoming season and probably the health of GK

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by m3llofan on Jul 20, 2010 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

"not spotlight happy" v. VH1 wedding

He’s spotlight happy - just maybe to a lesser degree than LeBron.

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by margabelle on Jul 20, 2010 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

That was his wife's idea not his.

She use to work for MTV (who owns VH1 btw). They always do this type of thing with celebs. Melo is no attention whore, he just wants to win. He doesn’t throw lavish, highly publized parties. He’s never held a press conference. All in all, aside from the legal troubles, Melo has kept a low profile. He smiles biggest when he wins.

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 20, 2010 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

And he seems to be the most pissed when he doesn't make a basket.

I have seen it a million times, when he goes in for a difficult layup and gets the foul but not the basket he’s pissed. That was 2 more pts he could have gotten. He’s a competitor. On the other hand, since the comparison seems to be Melo vs LeBron, Lebron cries even when he gets the foul and the basket. “I can’t believe someone touched the king. bawwwww!”

by MMGraves on Jul 20, 2010 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

lol

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by m3llofan on Jul 20, 2010 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

If Melo's going to leave

The Nuggets should keep him until the end and then work out a sign and trade like the Cavs and Toronto did for cap space and picks. Taking back non-superstars would just keep this team from bottoming out, which is what they would need to do to get a top draft pick, hopefully land a superstar and build around him. If you’re not a destination city, and Denver isn’t, a top 3 pick who turns into a superstar is just about the only way to build a championship team. (2004 Detroit would be about the only exception I can think of, pretty much ever.)

by asdqqq on Jul 21, 2010 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good article

The next few months will be interesting. If he hasn’t signed the deal by December I would expect the FO to attempt to move him. There is also the possibility that Melo plans to sign the extension, but is waiting to see how our team changes through out the season. I can’t honestly blame him if this were his actual stance. If you look at it, besides the signing of Harrington, which had to be done just to stay competitive for the first three months of the season, the Nuggets have only made cost cutting moves. Last year being a prime example. The Nuggets were so close to having one of the best teams we’ve ever seen in Denver sans one good big man. The FO couldn’t get the job done for various reasons. Was it Stan’s sudden spending restraints that kept the Nuggets from getting a big? If this is the case then I would be a little wary of signing the extension. I disagree with the argument that because Melo isn’t recruiting players he is going to leave. The team could only have spent the mid level exception on a free agent. There weren’t many options for us.
We do have one guy on the team who has impacted free agents. I heard Al Harrington on the fan talk about one of the reasons he came to Denver (a Chauncey Billups opinion) http://www.1043thefan.com/channels/audioOnDemand/Story.aspx?ID=1254410

Time will tell what happens….

by smoil on Jul 20, 2010 12:28 AM MDT reply actions  

I was confident about Melo staying.

But Andrew raises a few good points.
Just on the whole LeBron Saga, i really used to like LeBron. He was one of my favourite non-Nugget players in the league. However now everything is starting to come to the publics attention. The Wojnarowski article really opened my eyes about LeBron, and you know what, it adds up. I have been to blind to see it. But LeBron has done a few things wrong this offseason, The Decision being the biggest, i mean c’mon that is just plain up yourself. I’m not sure if you guys have this word in America but we Aussies have a little word called FIGJAM, and it stands for “Fuck im good, just ask me” perfect for how Lebron has handled himself this offseason.

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by stan_26 on Jul 20, 2010 12:32 AM MDT reply actions  

Can you use that word in a sentence please

If I’m going to make it popular here in the States I need to know how to use it.

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 20, 2010 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

"I'm LeBron James and ...

even though I have a short attention span mostly attributed to my lack of education, FIGJAM bitches!"

by MMGraves on Jul 20, 2010 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm prepared for it

and if so, I don’t see him pulling a Lebron and subjecting himself to the backlash James will feel for the rest of his career. I can’t argue many of the points made and the concerns, but personally I just see him in a very different mold than his draft mates, if only because he was less “anointed” coming out of high school and worked a bit harder to put that big spotlight on him in Denver. If his managers and business partners really wanted whats best for him they’d tell him to take at least a bit more guaranteed dough before the impending lockout. Whatever happens, I don’t see Melo leaving Denver as a villain. If Melo thinks we can’t get it done here he’s wrong, I’d be surprised and disappointed, but it wouldn’t hit us like a ton of bricks and ruin basketball in Denver. Lebron already outdid him and if he wants to head for the bright lights and big city I’d probably just look at it as a natural end to things as we’d know he’s not the right guy to lead this team to the promised land and our first NBA title.

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by runningdonut on Jul 20, 2010 1:20 AM MDT reply actions  

Completely agree.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 20, 2010 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

behind the scenes conversations are happening all the time

I wonder if MElway leaving Denver is a “done deal”

by InboundingLobPass on Jul 20, 2010 2:48 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Trade him before the deadline..

get something from him instead of nothing.

by caramello on Jul 20, 2010 3:08 AM MDT reply actions  

AGREE

He ain’t coming back! He wants the same attention all his friends got. Him and his Hollywood life/wife will go for LA or NYC.

People take many things way too serious.
I can get a rise out of you.

by ndrwbrgr on Jul 20, 2010 8:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

no way he goes 2 LA

and if he goes 2 the east, he will never start another allstar game.

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by m3llofan on Jul 20, 2010 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

CLIPPERS!!!!!

LALA and MELO living in Hollywood. I can see the VH1 Reality series now. And you think he cares about All-Star games? He cares about MELO SCRILLA AND FAME…in that order. Wade at 1, LeBron at 2, Melo at 3, Bosh/Stoudemire 4, Howard 5

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by ndrwbrgr on Jul 20, 2010 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

yea

i do think he cares about all-star games, goes on the resume. and i hope thats not a roster, i dnt see it happening….like ever

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by m3llofan on Jul 20, 2010 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

All-Star roster in the East and I think its possible

People take many things way too serious.
I can get a rise out of you.

by ndrwbrgr on Jul 21, 2010 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Playing for the Clippers will end his career.

One way or another, the Clippers will end you. Just ask the myriad of superstars that went there to die.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 20, 2010 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

The poor Clippers

They’re always picked on.

Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.

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by Mini Hulk on Jul 20, 2010 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Would be rough --

Not just for the Nuggets, but for the NBA. For what was an insanely talented draft class that re-defined the NBA in the 2000’s, there would be a crazy number of disillusioned fans if they all did what the Miami three did. There are already a lot of people who are disgusted by the LeBron moves… if Melo did the same thing it would be hard to find those loyal, good guys that really endear fans to the sport.

It wouldn’t just be limited to Cleveland or Denver either — in any small or mid-market city, fans would hesitate to really support their team or players if the assumption was that they would jump ship at the first big-market opportunity.

by Ferris_ on Jul 20, 2010 7:35 AM MDT reply actions  

fans would hesitate to really support their team or players if the assumption was that they would jump ship at the first big-market opportunity.

That my friend, is the Colorado Rockies in one sentence.

by jmdeshazer on Jul 20, 2010 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, great quote about the possible future of the NBA too

Really dead on. I think something’s got to change in the next CBA as far as Free Agency goes. Maybe make the Bird Rights even more lucrative or something.

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 20, 2010 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

I LOL whenever someone writes about william wesley

Anyone that writes articles attributing so much power and swank to www just becomes another one of his chumps. The guy is nothing but a shoe salesman. The Internet is full of unverified claims of his power and influence and how he straightens out players who don’t have their shit together. If he really did all those Jesus-like good works then why did his good buddy Iverson end up a drunk with gambling problems? Why is it that he didn’t cure Balkman(managed by Rose) of being a lazy drunk fuck?
The Economist reckons that LeBron would have made nearly a billion dollars in advertising had he gone to the Knicks but nothing like that in Miami, is Wes a dumbass or maybe can we attribute that to LeBron.
From what I read in the Wojnarowski article, it was LeBron who wanted the ESPN special against the opinions of his inner circle jerk and www. I guess the guy doesn’t have the influence you attribute to him so maybe Melo will actually stay in Denver. If I’m wrong, then maybe Melo will leave and Wes will persuade Stan and Karl that Balkman is our new superstar. Thus is the power of Wes. LOL!

by MMGraves on Jul 20, 2010 8:28 AM MDT reply actions  

This Wes dude

He really ticks me off. What exactly did he ever do to become such good friends with so many famous people? I want to smoke cigars with Bill Clinton and say “Mmmmm, tastes good”, and ball with MJ and kick it with Melo. What do I have to do?

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 20, 2010 9:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I read an article about a year ago. I think it was yahoo sports.

I wish I could find it now because the author claimed Wes doesn’t actually exist and that he’s a creation of ESPN. At the time I thought, ok, this author is watching the x-files too much but now, when you see so many things attributed to this guy THAT seems like x-files too. I can’t wait to hear how www invented the telegraph.

by MMGraves on Jul 20, 2010 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

What? That's crazy

I would have LOVED to read that.

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 20, 2010 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol

they deleted it, Conspiracy……..joking

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by m3llofan on Jul 20, 2010 11:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

To me

if he was going to sign, he would’ve already 80+ million on the table, who leaves that? The hostage situation has already started in Denver! I still don’t understand why he would go East w/ the super team forming. Why not stay in Denver, wait till Kobe retires and Kmart comes off the books and start owning the conference???? If he thinks he can’t win in Denver, then get him outta here, dude was 2 wins away from the finals, maybe if he didn’t disapear the last couple games he coulda pushed us over the top.

by Melonugg on Jul 20, 2010 8:46 AM MDT reply actions  

Nobody wants to see Melo go anywhere except to the HOF

His best shot at success will be by luring some big names to Denver. The road to a Finals championship is through LA. Right now, Melo’s only road block is LA, with OKC closing in. If Melo wants to win, then do it the way Bird, Magic and MJ did…As the brightest star on the team. Win “like a man” as Charles Barkley said it. If you have to be like your peers, then be like Wade and lure the talent to you.

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 20, 2010 8:48 AM MDT reply actions   3 recs

truee

i dnt think Melo even wants to do anything like what lebron did. he posted somethin on twitter about goin 2 war against mia lol. he a KD agreed that everybdy going 2 Miami takes away from competing

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by m3llofan on Jul 20, 2010 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think this is what you are talking about
Carmelo Anthony: @kdthunderup All that mean is Im gonna have to put my teflon on and go to war. BULLY SEASON “2010-11” coming soon.

by melo15denver on Jul 20, 2010 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Bully season

That sounds like determination.

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 20, 2010 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

sure does

another reason why i doubt he will leave Denver

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by m3llofan on Jul 20, 2010 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

yea

thats what i was talking about. KD had posted something about every one trying going to Miami.

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by m3llofan on Jul 20, 2010 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

All I can think about

is Melo after game 3 of the Utah series asking for help. “I can’t do it myself” he says. Just get the feeling he thinks it can’t happen in Denver.

by Melonugg on Jul 20, 2010 8:59 AM MDT reply actions  

Maybe what he was saying is "I can't do it myself"

meaning we had a lot of dead weight out on the court who weren’t doing shit and he needs some help.

Why you gotta read too much into it.

by MMGraves on Jul 20, 2010 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Cause

I’m bummed my boy has one foot out the door

by Melonugg on Jul 20, 2010 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

My old man use to say

Step one foot out that door and I’ll put you out on your ass. I agree that if Melo gives a whiff of leaving, then get what we can while the getting is good. But until the trade deadline play it cool and give Melo the pieces around him to compete in a BIG way. That way even if he chooses to leave we still have a stable core of players to win with. It’s win, win Kroenke…You do wanna win don’t you.

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 20, 2010 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

good thing

we have expirings of kmart and jr. and player options for nene and cb1. at least we wont be totally screwed like cleveland. if melo does indeed want to leave, id want to start building this nuggets teams with legit big men.

let's go nuggets! who u wit?

by 808inDenver on Jul 20, 2010 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

sorry

team option for cb1 and player option for nene?

let's go nuggets! who u wit?

by 808inDenver on Jul 20, 2010 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

And there still is time to do that.

I would hate to see Melo leave but if he does, I hope he doesn’t go to the Knicks. I feel like that is going to be a suck team for the next 6 years and I would like to see Melo get at least one ring.

by MMGraves on Jul 20, 2010 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

They are building a good team.

Of course I’d rather see him get a ring with Denver but my 2nd choice would have to be some suck underdog team like Clippers or Kings. Yeah, that’s a LOL but when you think about it, it is kind of refreshing. Remember when San Antonio was winning championships? When the Rockets won championships? It was refreshing to see someone besides the Lakers or Celtics winning.

by MMGraves on Jul 20, 2010 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

You're right

Denver would obviosuly be the first choice, but an underdog is definitely something I could be OK with if it absolutely had to happen. If Cousins pans out for the Kings, alongside Tyreke, then they’ll be no laughing matter in a couple of years. Might see a sudden jump like the Thunder did.

by Patrick Jane on Jul 20, 2010 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Thunder is another one, although they aren't really underdogs.

So far I like that team and how they were built. Would have loved to see them eliminate the Lakers last season.

by MMGraves on Jul 20, 2010 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

The way they were built was pure GM genius

I watched every draft from the time they took Durant and each time they made a move that was perfect for the fit of their team, not to mention their offseason pickups and trades. They will challenge for the two seed this year along with everybody else in the West. Just wish they had a different name and logo to make it easier to root for.

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 20, 2010 9:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

So true about the GM genius

That team is built for success and young. If Melo sails away in free agency, the Thunder will be my #2.

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 21, 2010 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Knicks have already announced it.

“Carmello Anthony will join him after next season.” This is as close to a quote as I can remember was said during the Knicks’ announcement that they had signed Stoudemire. They didn’t say they would work on it, or that they were hoping; they said Carmello will join him.

Sorry, but I think Carmello is gone no matter what the Nuggets offer him.

by CompUser on Jul 20, 2010 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hope he doesn't go to the Knicks.

He’s already played his entire career with Kmart’s knees. Why do a repeat.

by MMGraves on Jul 20, 2010 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, the Knicks already announced it?

fuck the Knicks!

Seriously, if he goes there it’s for personal reasons (born in Brooklyn, Lala wants to live there, playing in MSG) and NOT because he thinks he’s going to a better team.

Also seriously, why does the Knicks thinking it make it any more true? They thought they were getting LeBron…

by deezNuggets on Jul 20, 2010 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's what they said about LeBron.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 20, 2010 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tamper much?

I doubt the Knicks organization said the Melo will “join him after next season.” If you can find the actual quote, then go ahead and forward it to David Stern. Even the Knicks aren’t that stupid (since Zeke left town, anyway).

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by chiy on Jul 21, 2010 12:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Actually, that was game 4

One would think the Front Office would be serious and get a few new players to help him out, not just one man.
If/when Anthony leaves, it would be devastating, but you can’t blame his fellow teammates. You can’t blame his family. It’s on the people who let this happen. Who didn’t do enough to make their superstar happy.

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by Mini Hulk on Jul 20, 2010 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

It's not about making Melo happy

It’s about making the TEAM better and more competitive. That was Cleavland’s problem, they only wanted to make LBJ happy by caving in to his demands. All of these young guys need coaches and FO’s that don’t take shit. That’s why I resepect DR. Buss, Riley and Steinbrener (sp?) RIP. Winning comes first and foremost. Personal feelings, contracts, and perks are all secondary to winning. The sooner our Ownership adopts this mentality and begins to cultivate it amongst all of his employees, the sooner we party outside of The Can until DPD hits us with the tear gas. (That means winning the chip)

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 20, 2010 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Carmelo wants the team to get better

That’s why I said the Office has to make him happy.

Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
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by Mini Hulk on Jul 20, 2010 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

His happiness is secondary to winning

I’m sure he’d be happy if we signed a big that he could play off of. But we have to state that it is for the benefit of the team and not Melo personally. As much as I love freedom, professional sports teams have to be run as a socialist program. Wherein you do nothing for one player that doesn’t benefit the entire organization.

Hopefully this new CBA will set a hard cap in place, making it easier for all teams to compete, and not just the cities with 5-8 million people in them.

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 20, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

-1

All a hard cap would do is make the big stars even bigger stars. The team with the best player would win every year. All the struggling teams couldn’t reverse course quickly at all by spending money. They would have to hope to get lucky with a draft pick. A hard cap in the NBA would ruin many franchises forever. The NBA not having a hard cap gives teams like the Celtics the chance to be losers one year and winners the next. I am completely against a hard cap in the NBA due to there being so few players per team.

I am an American and therefore I favor a capitalist system. No cap like baseball is a pure capitalist system and it works for baseball. The NBA is a different animal however as there needs to be some sort of restrictions due to the vast differences in talent levels from superstars to average starters. I am in favor of a more fairly designed luxury tax system. I think that the luxury tax should be based on team revenue and salary. If a team’s revenue is high and they pay salaries that go over the luxury tax threshold then they should have to pay a higher tax. If a team’s revenue is low but they go over the luxury tax threshold then they should pay a lower percentage for the tax. This gives the owners the ability to spend to win (as the system is designed) without making that spending ridiculous. It would encourage owners with smaller fan bases and less money to spend more. Also, teams like the lakers and Mavericks wouldn’t be hampered at all because their fan bases are so big and their owners have so much money that a higher tax on them still won’t effect their spending. My solution solves the geography problem that is so prevelent in the NBA.

by Gasus on Jul 20, 2010 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

And don't tell me this isn't fair for the large market teams

What isn’t fair is that those owners happen to own a team in a large market. The guys that get fucked are the small and medium market teams. My solution should help to even the playing field.

by Gasus on Jul 20, 2010 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ok

what about a franchise tag similar to the NFL, what you feel on that?

by Melonugg on Jul 20, 2010 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think that solves another problem and could be a good thing too

My issue with it is when teams like the Raptors would use it. I would feel terrible for Bosh if he kept getting franchised on a team that clearly has no clue how to win. Maybe allowing 10 year contracts from the player’s current franchise and only 5 year deals from new franchises would help solve the problem of a team’s best player leaving for no reason other than to disrespect the sport.

by Gasus on Jul 20, 2010 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not a fan of the NFL pay structure

And how it’s applied. Yes, there are no guaranteed contracts. But in the NFL you get seriously injured you are more likely to get cut than you are to see the field again. Draftee’s get front loaded contracts and vets have to fight it out for scraps because “teams” don’t seem to give a rip about the players.

The Franchise tag is the one thing I’d keep. You get paid the max at your position for one year, guaranteed, then you are unrestricted a year later. The NBA should explore that.

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by jpage78 on Jul 20, 2010 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would agree with the 1 year deal but I don't think it solves any problems

LePout would have just left after another year. If I remember correctly I think Julius Pepper got tagged with it 2 or 3 years in a row so I am not sure if it is just a 1 year thing in the NFL.

I’m with you on the inadequacies of the NFL system. No way it works in the NBA. I would hate to see the NBA abandon it’s players the way the NFL does but something needs to be done about the large market versus small to medium market inbalance though…

by Gasus on Jul 20, 2010 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

You don't have to be in favor of capitalism

to be an American. Just FYI, I think Capitalism is the root of all evil and destruction of the earth that we see going on right now.

But back on point, I think Franchise Tags are only usable on the same player a max of 2 times in the NFL. But the problem with that in the NBA is, as you said, there are only 12 players on a roster and the franchised player is 1/5th of a teams success on the court, whereas a franchised player in the NFL only has 1/22nd of an impact on the success of their team. You can somewhat deal with a pouty player in the NFL a lot easier than you can deal with (mask, absorb, whatever you want to call it) in the NBA where said player is 1/5th of your playing team at any given time.

by stiffy on Jul 20, 2010 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 20, 2010 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

It is about leveling out something that isn't fair

The fact that certain owners own teams in bigger cities shouldn’t allow them to dominate the rest of the country every year in my opinion. If they wan’t to pay to win then make them pay like everyone else.

This would bring many more fans to the game. The owners that choose to stay cheap would be penalized because their teams still wouldn’t win.

You can’t compare this to the tax code because we are talking two different things. Just because someone worked hard to make 1,000,000 dollars per year shouldn’t mean that they have to pay a higher percentage tax than the guy that works 25 hours per week and makes 50k in my opinion. This is a tax on people that overspend outside of the means of the other owners in the game. It levels the playing field a bit but still allows those giant market teams to spend as much as they want. The NBA is bigger in those bigger cities because those cities are bigger. Not because those owners marketed their teams better or are smarter in the game of basketball.

If you want to compare my idea to a tax code then think the fair tax or consumption tax. With the consumption tax the more you consume the more you pay in tax. Therefore the more you spend, the more you pay in tax. NBA owners that have larger markets that make more money spend more money to make that money. If the NBA addopts this tax it should only help the competitive balance of the game and help it grow.

by Gasus on Jul 20, 2010 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's a consuption tax, for sure

But progressive in nature. I haven’t had enough time to stew on your proposal to explore all the +/- that might result.

by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 20, 2010 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pretty straight forward I believe

I think there may be a chance that something like this gets done too. All I see is maybe a couple owners in huge markets complaining but in the end seeing that it will greatly help promote the game in new teritories while still allowing those massive cities to have winners. The owners of the big market franchises will feel even more like heros if they can keep their teams on top without making 100 times the profit of every other small to mid market team.

by Gasus on Jul 20, 2010 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

You are confused about geography

“I am an American and therefore I favor a capitalist system.”

Venezuela is in ‘America’ and they do not favor the capitalist system.

by MMGraves on Jul 20, 2010 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure most of the world calls all of us who live in the USA "Americans"

However, they call people from Mexico “Mexicans”, and people from Venezuela “Venzuelans”. LOL

by Gasus on Jul 20, 2010 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe we should start advocating USAeans or something

I don’t like this though cause I feel that the USA owns the term “American”

by Gasus on Jul 20, 2010 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

We own it

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by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 20, 2010 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've been using the term, "Usonian" for a while... it hasn't caught on.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 20, 2010 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

The proper spelling

is UhMerKuhn or Merkuhn for short. Preferably while slurring your speech and a little drunk and wearing a wife beater.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 20, 2010 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's what Joey Graham said before the Nuggets mailed it in.

If by doing it all by himself means shooting like Malik Allen all series, then I totally get what he means.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 20, 2010 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

One of the best things to happen for Denver

is the LeBron backlash. Melo has to know that if he stays loyal and wins a trophy in Denver, he’ll get the respect of Jordan Bird Magic and be regarded exponentially more highly than Wade, LeBron and Bosh ever will be. This is especially so if the Nugs beat the Heat in the finals. Melo would also be an Elway like icon locally.

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by margabelle on Jul 20, 2010 9:58 AM MDT reply actions  

Especially the

Jordan comments. Earlier in Melo’s career MJ was in his ear, hopefully the competitive coments stick w/ melo

by Melonugg on Jul 20, 2010 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

during that E:60 episode

seems like MJ stood up for melo early in his career and melo doesnt want to dissappoint him. plus melo is signed to JB, w/ a signature shoe. w/ MJ’s recent comments, hopefully it makes melo want to win a chip here and beat the heat, kobe, etc.

let's go nuggets! who u wit?

by 808inDenver on Jul 20, 2010 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

Difference is that Melo is not LeBron..

Melo doesn’t need to be wooed, he went through the process before choosing Syracuse… he doesn’t have a huge ego like LeBron… Another thing, the only thing Melo wants right now is to win… he’s sees his 3 best friends teaming up and is probably jealous… So he’s gonna go where ever he has the best chance to win… Another point is that if there’s a lockout (which there prob will be) there won’t be a free agency period until everything is settled out and Melo isn’t dumb enough to leave that kind of guaranteed money… Also NY won’t have the cap space to sign Melo, so why do they keep being mentioned?

it would have to be a sign and trade and they don’t have anything Denver wants (except maybe Gallo, but his contract isn’t big enough)… not to mention Denver will still be a better team then NY… Melo is smart and won’t sign the extension until he feels that the team has done everything they can to improve… If he has to wait until the last possible day, then so be it… I just hope the Nuggets FO isn’t dumb enough to listen to the media and actually listen to the crap that they should trade Melo…

by hvino on Jul 20, 2010 10:07 AM MDT reply actions  

re: lockout

so next year, there wont be any free agency? technically, what date would the lockout start? do the players still get paid if theres no season? sorry for all the q’s, just started following nba when i moved here recently.

i have this dream of the nuggets letting kmart and jr come off the books. melo signing an extension. cb1 restructuring his contract for a longer, cheaper deal, say 3 years $30M? and then signing marc gasol to a contract with whatever cap space we have left. tell aaa to hold off on signing any offer sheets till we sign gasol and that we’ll match whatever offer he gets. i know, it probably wont happen. and there wouldnt even be a 2011 season anyway.

let's go nuggets! who u wit?

by 808inDenver on Jul 20, 2010 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

crap nm

even with cb1 restructuring, we still wont have any cap space. dammit

let's go nuggets! who u wit?

by 808inDenver on Jul 20, 2010 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

why would you want Chauncey for 3 years?

he’d be like 38… I think that we shouldn’t take his 11 mil Team option, then maybe sign him for a 2 year 10 mil deal…

by hvino on Jul 20, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

idk haha

just bein generous. his team option is actually for $14.2M. kinda sucks if we dont pick it up, but if it helps us land a C, we might have to do it.

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by 808inDenver on Jul 20, 2010 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Actually, I want the Front Office to hear this

Their franchise player is being advertised before he’s even available. They need to take this upon their selves and do something because they’ve done virtually nothing, and not doing anything is adding fuel to this f*cking fire we can’t put out.
They need to sit down with the man, and listen to what he has to say. You don’t just bring in a big man, you get somebody Carmelo Anthony wants on the team.
If Anthony wants no part in it, then trade him. There’s no point in trying to make a player happy if that’s not your team actually needs. (see Cleveland)

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by Mini Hulk on Jul 20, 2010 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

forgot to even mention

he saw LeBron become a pariah and hated by everyone, does he want that?

obviously I doubt he’d get that bashed (cuz Bosh wasn’t bashed at all)… I think he sees something in becoming Denver’s all time best player (which he would be, if he stays)

by hvino on Jul 20, 2010 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Bosh was an also-ran

There would be haters, but as long as Melo didn’t interrupt all broadcasting with a State of the Union address regarding his free agency decision, there wouldn’t be back lash.

by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 20, 2010 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not to mention

That at the end of the season Bosh removed all raptor related insignia from his FB and twitter pages. He also made no mistake about his unhappiness with the franchise, climate, and team. We all knew he was leaving.

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 20, 2010 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

Bosh ain't shit

He’s going to be less than KG was to the Celtics… WAY less.

by stiffy on Jul 20, 2010 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Kind of a given.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 20, 2010 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

One thing rarely mentioned that is a legit. excuse for James...

… leaving Cleveland and doggin’ it in the playoffs was his discovery of his mom’s affair with a teammate. That could make one not care about the team.

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by margabelle on Jul 20, 2010 10:22 AM MDT reply actions  

Carmelo will re-sign with Denver IMO

Carmelo is on his honeymoon. I know talking about whether he will sign or not makes for entertaining blog posts and newspaper articles, but signing a contract extension while visiting exotic destinations with his new wife would not be a priority.

You can fault Carmelo all you want for some of the bone-headed things he did (the “no snitching” video, the DUI, the pot in his car, etc.), but he has been much more open in his communication with George Karl and Stan Kroenke and has expressed his desire to resign on multiple occasions, which are things that LeBron never did.

He wants to be the face of the Nuggets for years to come and has expressed that as recently as a month ago.

by jmdeshazer on Jul 20, 2010 10:28 AM MDT reply actions  

I love the voice of reason! Melo’s been given a reasonable deadline to sign this offer or the Nuggets will pull it off the table. There haven’t been any indications from Melo that he won’t sign this deal. There is no reason to rush this deal through on either side at this point.

by BrianD on Jul 20, 2010 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

this

Melo has given ZERO indication he won’t sign.

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by jpage78 on Jul 20, 2010 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hey Andrew, I get that you're telling it like it is, but

Why are your posts so consistently negative? Sometimes it seems a little bit of optimism from the Nuggets biggest promoter would go a long way.

Swats.

by Colin Neilson on Jul 20, 2010 10:55 AM MDT reply actions  

Nate tends to be more positive/fun

I can tell ya there’s no bigger Nuggets fan than Andrew though….he’s just heavy on the cynical side.

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by jpage78 on Jul 20, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Andrew loves the Nuggets...Melo not so much

Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
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by SDcat09 on Jul 21, 2010 8:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Meaning Andrew does not love Melo

Melo loves the Nuggets….

Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: Get that sweet swing going soon!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon!
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by SDcat09 on Jul 21, 2010 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

Andrew and Sandy Clough like to get on air and talk about how Melo can’t lead a team to victory by himself. Clearly not understanding the word Team.

by MMGraves on Jul 21, 2010 8:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

What?

Ubaldo Jimenez: Your Cy Young awaits in 2010
Brad Hawpe: Get that sweet swing going soon!
Todd and Troy: Get well soon!
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by SDcat09 on Jul 21, 2010 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

As a pessimist myself

pessimism makes all surprises pleasant ones. The only danger to pessimism is giving up trying when there actually is hope, but since in this context Andrew is not in the front office, his outlook doesn’t affect the Nugs and it inspires a lively debate.

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by margabelle on Jul 20, 2010 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

...and the Nuggets. :|

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 20, 2010 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

What about this aspect?

Agents get paid basis points on the contract of the player they represent, no? So isn’t that just one more interested voice whispering in his ear that he shouldn’t leave the big money on the table ahead of a lockout?

by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 20, 2010 10:56 AM MDT reply actions  

On this we can agree

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by SDcat09 on Jul 21, 2010 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well, it may be another pointless article, I felt the need to share

http://www.examiner.com/x-51487-NY-Latin-Culture-Examiner~y2010m7d20-Basketball-star-Carmelo-Anthony-not-likely-to-come-to-New-York-Knicks-next-year

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by Mini Hulk on Jul 20, 2010 11:00 AM MDT reply actions  

interesting

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by Garrett Olsen on Jul 20, 2010 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

U have to add in the player option for 1 year at 18 mill I believe

My understanding is that his extension goes into effect after the 1 year player option. I could be wrong here but that is what I have been reading…

by Gasus on Jul 20, 2010 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think it is an extension beyond his current contract

Adding another 3 years to what he currently has which is two more year. Not positive on this and I could definitely be wrong though…

by Gasus on Jul 20, 2010 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hopefully it doesn't mean anything

but Melo’s Denver area house was on the front page of the real estate section in either Saturday’s or Sunday’s Denver Post over the weekend. Asking $9.5M for a 21K square foot mansion, barn, and guest house. Did anyone else see that?

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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 20, 2010 12:02 PM MDT reply actions  

i think ppl have been saying he was selling it

for about atleast a month now though

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by m3llofan on Jul 20, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

you are correct

I googled it and the Post had an article a little over a month ago about it. No big deal, the article claimed. 21K square feet isn’t big enough now that he is officially a family of 3. LOL.

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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 20, 2010 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah I know

How could anyone raise a 2 year old in a house that small? I should have called social services to investigate the living conditions within the “mansion”.

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 20, 2010 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol, thats hilarious

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by m3llofan on Jul 20, 2010 6:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

yea i meantioned that

on the first comment of Andrew’s post

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by Garrett Olsen on Jul 20, 2010 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes you did. Sorry about that. Sadly, imo, Melo is as good as gone. I think he’ll be a Knick either sometime during this season or as a UFA next season. It isn’t what I want to see. But I’m not convinced that he is in love with Denver.

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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 20, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

its all good

the house looks sweet huh?

and I think he’s a gonner as well. It sucks.

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by Garrett Olsen on Jul 20, 2010 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I made a fanshot about this well over a month ago. So, its not new and doesn't mean anything really

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by SDcat09 on Jul 21, 2010 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

is this the house in Lakewood or the newer one?

He moved away from Lakewood a couple years ago but not sure if the house ever sold….this was the house that was on MTV Cribs.

Anyway, Andrew’s point about Melo signing the extension before and recruiting others to come here doesn’t make sense, considering the team didn’t have cap room and seemed unwilling to pay the luxury tax this offseason. The A.I. deal was to save face and interest in the Nugs during Melo’s suspension, and the Chauncey deal was a salary dump for Detroit that worked in our favor as CB still had some gas left in the tank. The Harrington deal is a start, but I doubt much more will happen by the season start. All the guys we want to trade out of here are either injured, coming off injury, or off subpar seasons and have little value to other teams. I just can’t see much happening before the trade deadline in February, but I hope this FO proves me wrong. Hire a real established GM Mr. Kroenke, stop this parade/charade of a FO we have, and get serious about the business of basketball as it is right now as the past can become irrelevant unless you do nothing.

by jd80229 on Jul 20, 2010 12:37 PM MDT reply actions  

Hey Andrew and Nate

Can we get an official “Is Melo Leaving” voting post? I want to see what percentage of Stiffs feel as though he’s about to say ‘Mahalo bitches’.

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 20, 2010 1:16 PM MDT reply actions  

Count me in for the LEAVING vote

And hopeful we can fleece the Knicks for all they’ve got in the process… which isn’t much but a bunch of mid-round future draft picks, no lotto picks with Melo and Amare at least getting them an 8 seed.

by stiffy on Jul 20, 2010 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'll make it balanced between Stiffy and ThrowIt

I think it all depends on this season. If we make it back to the WCFs he stays, if not he leavs.

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 20, 2010 9:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Was Harrington Melo Insurance???

I have had the sinking suspicion that AlbHarrington is insurance if Melo leaves. He plays a lot like Melo, and could hold down the 3 spot for a few years if Melo leaves. If Melo wants to go, so be it. The Nuggs will be bad for a few years, draft and some new young talent and start again. Rebuilding with a big bucks owner like the Kroenke’s might be fun…

by ACEIII on Jul 20, 2010 1:29 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

No.

No way the Nuggets would be planning for a future without Melo by signing a guy 5 years older than him. This is a win with Melo move all the way.

by asdqqq on Jul 21, 2010 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Mel Gibson? Capitalism?

Is this the 80’s folks?

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by jpage78 on Jul 20, 2010 1:59 PM MDT reply actions  

what?

just because I linked the resigning of A.C. to unnatural acts performed with goats? Off topic? what?

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 20, 2010 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Frankly, at his time of the year, I like it.

You go to places like the Chargers blog around this time… place is dead. In italics.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 20, 2010 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Proof that the potential of Melo leaving the Nuggets is big

Posters are debating the sins of Christianity. Man….I thought it just affected Denver.

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by jpage78 on Jul 20, 2010 2:46 PM MDT reply actions  

Yeah can we get back on B-ball?

I’m all for debates and logical arguments…but when a bunch of people (myself included) start to talk religion online it can only end bad. It’s something that needs to be discussed over a proper cup of tea or something.

Did you guys see the Chinese UFO? That’s something huh?

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 20, 2010 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

I did NOT see this....

UFO’s? Time for this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tzWc3Xl4B0

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by jpage78 on Jul 20, 2010 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry for the tangeant

I’ve decided that some ideas can no longer be left unchallenged, and will have no problem keeping religion off this blog as long as others do so as well.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 20, 2010 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Cool

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 20, 2010 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Awe man

I got my Gary Busey comment deleted :(

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 20, 2010 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOL

The whole religous rant was deleted too. Probably a good thing I guess.

by Gasus on Jul 20, 2010 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Regulation!

See, that’s why I don’t run the blog. I’d have to delete myself.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 20, 2010 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I ran an opinionated blog a while ago

I did have to delete it. I had a crazy following that creeped the shite out of me. Not to mention the looks from people that had read the blog and then saw me later…awkward. If anyone has ever walked in on you showering then you know the look.

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 20, 2010 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

You mean like

Jaw dropping to the floor, eyes wide open as they scale up and down from your feet back up to your pelvis? Yeah I know what you mean.

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 20, 2010 9:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha...

Guess I have to refresh the page, because it’s still here. Dang. Oh well…

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 20, 2010 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

The word "alleged" is used an awful lot.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 20, 2010 4:15 PM MDT reply actions  

This doesn't tell me anything

Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
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by Mini Hulk on Jul 21, 2010 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol he looks happy as a nugget. i think he will stick with the team no point in going to the knicks and they only have one star amare and a team rebuilding itself

by calicowboyz on Jul 21, 2010 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Whats Carmelo Up Too??

In case you wanted to know what Melo is doing today on twitter he said he was buying a bike today and later on posted the bike he bought heres the link http://twitpic.com/2765os
So heres today edition of Whats Carmelo up too!!!

by VicTor W on Jul 20, 2010 8:09 PM MDT reply actions  

Oh CRAP!

That bike is too short for him. It will ruin his knees!

by MMGraves on Jul 20, 2010 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

lmao

this is too funny. ppl are panicing about where hes going, if hes leaving Denver or staying and….hes riding a bike. i dnt think Melo is going anywhere

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by m3llofan on Jul 20, 2010 11:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, he is riding it in NY, not Denver.

I hope it’s not a tie breaker when it comes down to signing his extension. I don’t want Melo to say, “It was 50-50 all the way but then I realized my new bike is back in NY so that’s where I signed.”

by MMGraves on Jul 21, 2010 8:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

I hate the bicycles are so big and immovable.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 21, 2010 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

lol, well

Chauncey Billups thinks hes staying, kinda sorta.

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by m3llofan on Jul 21, 2010 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

I definitely wouldn't say I am confident

The fact that he is not (at least publicly) actively recruiting free agents makes you wonder.
But from a financial standpoint, it doesn’t make any sense for him not to come back, and that has to be #1 in his list of priorities. The whole LeBron saga is going to work in our favor, because he knows that LeBron is basically the most hated athlete in the world right now, and if he pulled some sort of stunt like that he would be up there too. So, at the very least, I would expect him not to be obnoxious about it, and at the best the LeBron saga would make him want to stay in Denver.

by black_knight101 on Jul 20, 2010 9:14 PM MDT reply actions  

On the other hand

He would round out a nice four-some of golf with Tiger, LBJ, and ManRam

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 21, 2010 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great read

The comments got a little off topic this thread but it tends to happen from time to time. Best just to keep our own religious and political views in the closet.

As for Melo. Feinstein brings up a great point, or at least touches on it. We can’t be like Cleveland in the sense that we must have a backup plan in place in case Melo leaves. The thing we have on our side is tons of potential cap room, but we need to be prepared in as many ways as we can so we arn’t left making trips to the lottery for the next decade once again.

In my opinion if Melo doesn’t resign soon his choice of leaving or staying is going to depend on the postseason next year. The West is only getting better and I bet Melo wants assurance that we can compete for the best in the West each year. If we lose in the first round again (which would suck enormous you know what) Melo is as good as gone. Second round, it’s gonna be a tough call. But if we make it back to the WCFs for the second time in 3 years there is no way Melo leaves. So it’s a simple formula, win and Melo stays.

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 20, 2010 9:59 PM MDT reply actions  

WHAT is wrong with you people !!!

MElo hasnt even done anything and you guys are starting to bash on him whats wrong with you guys hes the only reason we make the playoffs and you guys are so quick to turn on him and you call yourself nuggets fan

by ObaidKnight on Jul 20, 2010 11:36 PM MDT reply actions  

Nobody is bashing anybody

What are YOU talking about?

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by Mini Hulk on Jul 20, 2010 11:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

why dont you

read the first few pages of the replies then say something

by ObaidKnight on Jul 20, 2010 11:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm one of the staunchest supporters of Melo on this blog

think of me as the yin to Andrew’s yang….but I gotta tell ya, 95% of all the comments on this post are quite supportive of the idea of Melo coming back….and the others are just thinking he may not sign….I’m not sure what it is you’re seeing

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by jpage78 on Jul 20, 2010 11:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

You're doing it wrong

The bashes are supposed to increase in font each time.

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 21, 2010 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well first of all, don't be so rude about it

2nd, we’re just facing reality here.
Nobody on here wants him to leave, but we have to prepared to hear the worst.
If anything, we’re bashing everybody else, but hey, that’s life.

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by Mini Hulk on Jul 20, 2010 11:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Are you fucking high?

Everyon wants him here.. just cuz i say i don;t think he’s gonna stay doesn’t mean i’m bashing him or don;t want him here… it means i don’t think he is going to stay with the Nuggets.

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by Garrett Olsen on Jul 21, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

oh

and lets not forget the knick brawl

by ObaidKnight on Jul 20, 2010 11:42 PM MDT reply actions  

lmao i forgot about that

 i forgot about that fight…well was it a fight?? maybe a tussel lol

by calicowboyz on Jul 21, 2010 12:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

For what it's worth:

From the Denver Post -

So, Chauncey. You think Melo is going to take the extension? “He better, or he’s going to have a problem on his hands when he sees me,” Chauncey Billups said with a chuckle. Sources close to Nuggets star Carmelo Anthony have said that he expects to accept the team’s offer of a three-year, $65 million contract extension, and Billups said Tuesday he shares that confidence. “I’m hoping he does. I know Melo loves Denver, it’s pretty much home and I think that he will (sign the extension),” Billups said by phone from Las Vegas, where the Nuggets guard is practicing with Team USA. “But I’ve seen stranger things. . . . All I can do is be hopeful.”

by melo15denver on Jul 21, 2010 8:44 AM MDT reply actions  

I bet amillion dollars that . . . .

’Melo never wants a championship, I think he was saying he cannot do it by himself of the offensive end, but we all know he needs more than his fair share of backup when it comes to defense. ’Melo makes his summer home in LA, he yearns for the big lights, but with the 2009 playoffs aside I see no heart in ’Melo and if he leaves I will not be that upset; jersey, t-shirt and basketball shoe purchases aside.

by Dr. Jre on Jul 21, 2010 9:19 AM MDT reply actions  

yeah if he had heart he should play some D

no reason he cannot get 10 rebounds a night, absolutely no reason

by Dr. Jre on Jul 21, 2010 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

His career season average is 6.2 rebounds per game.

So, up to 9.99 rebounds per game = no heart, 10 rebounds per game = heart. Is that how it works?

What if he got 11 rebounds per game, or 15, does that make him have Heart++? I’m not being sarcastic in the least, I’m just trying to figure out your your math.

by MMGraves on Jul 21, 2010 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Don't worry about him

He’s not even the real Dr. Dre, nor is he a medical doctor that can properly diagnose any heart condition.

NO HEART? What do you call stepping up and owning the league’s best players for an entire season? You point to a bad playoff collapse under a coach with ZERO playoff experience having no heart? With only 2 of the starting 5 healthy for that series? Against a Jazz team that shot an ungodly % from the field for 4 straight games? The Nuggets walked into a perfect storm for the 2nd half of the season. That isn’t called “no heart”.

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 21, 2010 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

when he starts driving to the rim as much as he should and he hustles back to play defense then

I will concede your point, but I don’t see him do that and if he wants a championship he needs to set an example on both sides of the floor because he has the physical and athletic ability to do so. If you honestly believe he plays to his full ability on every night, within reasonable expectations to how an NBA player should perform throughout a season and playoffs, then I guess we will just agree to disagree.

by Dr. Jre on Jul 21, 2010 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

He does need to, and can improve on the defensive end of the floor.

Melo has shown that he can grab steals, and block an occasional shot though. I would love if he came in this year under a defensive mindset. But his weakness stems from his strength. people always say how Melo is a threat because he’s too quick for PF’s to guard and too strong for SF’s to do so. But he’s also too small to guard a PF and too big to keep up with a SF.

I just wouldn’t go so far as to say he has no heart. That’s like calling someone a Jive Turkey.

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 21, 2010 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I just wish Melo would grab a couple more rebounds a game

I’m not expecting him to turn into a defensive beast. You expend much more energy on D and I think his offensive game would suffer if we try to turn him in to Bruce Bowen

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by jpage78 on Jul 21, 2010 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

No player plays every night to his full ability.

That would be called perfection. And I’m guessing it still wouldn’t be enough for you.

by MMGraves on Jul 21, 2010 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah if he had heart he should play some D

Dr. Jre, I’m going to be honest with you.
You’re a fucking retard.

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by Mini Hulk on Jul 21, 2010 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

+2048

Shit, I was trying to be somewhat diplomatic but I was thinking what you wrote.

by MMGraves on Jul 21, 2010 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

You'll learn overtime

I’m pretty straight forward.

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by Mini Hulk on Jul 21, 2010 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

I vote it as reply win of the year

Mini Hulk get’s the first annual award

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by jpage78 on Jul 21, 2010 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

hahahaha

and you tell me to calm down!!! =)

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by Garrett Olsen on Jul 21, 2010 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

To all the Melo haters who're infesting this thread.....

“You never miss the water, till the well runs dry”!

We don’t know if he’ll stay in Denver, but if he leaves, all you Einsteins will have the truth FINALLY smacking you in your faces.
The Nuggets are a borderline lottery team w/out Melo. Forget competing for division titles, back&forth’s w/ Laker fans, or the pride of watching “one of our own” battling the elite players in the league. It’ll be over, done, at least for the foreseeable future.

Period.

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G - Junior Harrington

2008 INDUCTION CLASS

F - Nikoloz Tskitishvili
F - Joe Wolf
F - Tony Battie
C - Scott Hastings
G - Tariq Abdul-Wahad
G - Mark Macon


Proprietors

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Writer

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Hipster_jeff_small Jeffrey Morton

Moderators

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