How the draft lottery could affect the Nuggets...
Watching the NBA Draft Lottery just isn't the same without seeing Bernie Bickerstaff or Dan Issel in attendance on behalf of the Nuggets. But that doesn't mean tonight's results won't potentially impact our beloved franchise.
Covering the lottery here a few years ago, I created a verb called "Nuggeted." Nuggeted refers to a team that has the worst or second-worst record in the NBA but fails to land a top-two pick in the draft. Those of us who sat through the lean seasons in Nuggets Nation between 1990 and 2003 know exactly what I'm talking about.
Tonight, it was new New Jersey Nets owner (and my new personal hero) Mikhail Prokhorov's turn to get Nuggeted, as his 12-win Nets ended up with the third overall pick and on the outside-looking-in for the John Wall / Evan Turner debate. Luckily for Denver fans, no Western Conference team landed inside the top-three and Nuggets fans had a collective sigh of relief when the Jazz - who hold the Knicks number one pick this year - ended up ninth.
That said, this draft could impact the Nuggets in several ways. For example, if the Golden State Warriors - one of the Nuggets few possible trading partners for J.R. Smith - draft DeMarcus Cousins at the sixth spot, does that mean the Nuggets could poach big men like Ronny Turiaf or Brandan Wright. Or if the Hornets go for a seven-foot Lithuanian, as NBADraft.net is predicting (today), does that mean Emeka Okafor plus James Posey becomes available in exchange for Kenyon Martin's contract? I'm sure these conversations are happening at Nuggets headquarters right now.
Of great concern to our Nuggets should be the Clippers and Jazz drafting at the eight and nine spots. The Clippers may very well be snake bit again next season, but that doesn't change the fact that they'll be adding a lottery pick to a lineup already including Chris Kaman, Baron Davis, Eric Gordon and (in theory) Blake Griffin. Oh, and tons of cap room, too. It's like the Clippers got a mulligan on all of last season thanks to Griffin's injury.
And the Jazz - if they're smart - will re-sign Carlos Boozer this summer and use that pick to shore up their bench strength. As always, there's no rest for the weary in the Western Conference.
Now that we know how the draft order is laid out, we should start speculating about how the Nuggets can get into this draft. If we're going to part with Smith or K-Mart as many of the fans are clamoring for, think about teams that might need a shooting guard (like the Bulls, Raptors, Heat if Dwyane Wade leaves or Hawks if/when Joe Johnson leaves) or need to unload some contracts but have big man assets (like the Warriors, Hornets or Pacers).
Back to the Nets getting Nuggeted. After firebombing his second NBA franchise, GM Kiki Vandeweghe brought his draft lottery "luck" with him yet again. Having Prokhorov participate was awesome, but as soon as I saw Kiki sitting in the back beside Nets President Rod Thorn, I knew the Nets weren't getting a top-two pick. Maybe the Nets will get lucky, though, and the 76ers will draft the equivalent of Darko Milicic this summer.
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I don't think that
Boozer will sign with Utah again. I just can’t see it after what happened last off season. He seems like the type of guy that will leave one city for another that pays him more, and I think he’s too old for a long term contract with the Jazz. We’ll see though.
a more realistic concern is the order of the 2nd round
denver has a better chance of getting a player and a draft pick in the 2nd round for smith. considering dujaun blair was a 2nd rounder and wes mathews was not drafted it will be interesting to see who the player everybody overlooked next season is.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
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What's with the new signature?
I just noticed it. Are you on Tebow’s bandwagon?
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by Joelsopinion on May 19, 2010 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions
it is my personal tribute to nene.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
we're on a mission from god
NO TO TRADING JR.
all i gotta say, #kthxbye
by rickyestrada15 on May 18, 2010 10:45 PM MDT reply actions
If we can get somebody to help our team
I’d do it in a heartbeat.
Everyone has a right to be stupid. I just abuse the privilege.
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If Denver
Could swing Kenyon for Omeka and Posey… I would be very, very happy.
"Don't chase the money, chase the dream"
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the feeling i get
denver would try to keep contracts that carry over into the new collective bargaining agreement to a minimum.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
we're on a mission from god
I agree
but if you can swing kenyon for posey and , omeka you have to do it. IMHO it would spell the end for nene (based solely on contrac t #’s) but if we kept nene he could move to pf finally.
Emeka, that is all
Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?
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Not a huge conspiracy theorist...but
The NBA lottery is the biggest joke ever. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Nuggets did have the most ping-pong balls in 2003, should have gotten the #1 pick Lebron, but ended up 3rd and picked Carmelo (thank you Joe D).
Why can’t they show the balls being sucked up, like they do in the Powerball Lottery? Didn’t they use to do it that way (late 80’s and 90’s)? David Stern has way too much power over the NBA.
Why is Mikhail Prokhorov you new hero?
Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out
I'm with you
I am a huge conspiracy theorist and I think it’s rigged. If for no other reason than that the transparency (sp) is now gone in the lottery. Fair is fair, and if I were a team owner/GM/coach/draftee I’d want to see the lotto ball come up without interference. I’d want to know that the future of my franchise wasn’t chosen behind closed doors with no input from me.
As far as the Nyets new owner…well he is dreamy. In an Eastern Promises, Red Army, KGB kinda way. There’s something oddly comforting knowing that Kiki could go “missing” at any moment.
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by Joelsopinion on May 19, 2010 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Last time I checked Math is Math
……And percentages are percentages. It doesn’t really matter who has the highest percentages. It doesn’t really matter how you slice it up. Just because New Jersey had the highest percent chance, IT IS STILL A 25 PERCENT CHANCE. That is still shitty odds for those of you who didn’t major in math.
The point was
That all math equations, science, and odds are meaningless now. In the past a team’s representatives could physically see their name pop up with a cooresponding lottery number. They knew that no foul play/favoritism was at hand, they SAW IT. Now though the commish opens an envelope and reads who gets what. We’re forced to assume that everything backstage was on the up and up. We no longer get to see the proof as it happens. We get to assume that Stern is legit…Big ASSumption.
Mr Stern hasn’t exactly earned the trust of basketball die hards over the last few years. No one can say for certain that the draft is rigged, but he’s not doing himself (or the NBA for that matter) any favors by not allowing those most affected by the outcome of the lottery system to see the results first hand.
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by Joelsopinion on May 19, 2010 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
As they say
When we assume, it makes an ass out of u and me. But mostly you and not so much me.
This is yet another example of Stern’s cloak and dagger tactics that, if things were on the up and up, he could easily dispel with transparency, yet inexplicably chooses not to.
by Artimus Mangilord on May 19, 2010 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions
+1000
Makes no fucking sense the way they do it. The only explanation you can give that they do it the way they do is that it is rigged. If you think otherwise you have way too much faith in humanity. Why wouldn’t they rig it to make more money if they had the ability to? Just like everything else in the NBA, shit is more like the WWE now…
Pretty funny that the dead owner's wife in the nations capital
Which has a black, basketball loveing president ends up winning it isn’t it? LOL, what a joke.
If Stern rigs the NBA lottery...
Then why did he give Portland/Seattle, Oden/Durant? Looking back, Toronto with the first pick? Milwaukee? You guys are whack…
"I’m like a superhero. Call me Basketball Man." - LBJ
And also about Oden/Durant
Boston was supposed to get one of those picks, having a terrible (worst?) record. Now, wouldn’t Stern want Boston to get one of those top 2 picks? Unless you’re telling me that he predicted that Boston would get KG and Allen in the same summer to go on to win the finals…
"I’m like a superhero. Call me Basketball Man." - LBJ
In that case, do the drawing in the open for everyone to see
LakerUNLTD, I’d have to guess you have zero street smarts. You probably get conned every time you leave your dwelling. You still waiting on that Nigerian prince to expatriate funds into your various financial accounts?
by Artimus Mangilord on May 19, 2010 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions
It is really funny that
Anytime someone on this site suggests corruption in the NBA, Laker fans come out of the woodwork to defend the NBA. What a coincidence huh?
Not defending the NBA.
Using common sense. You guys still haven’t been able to refute my claims, and I’m supposedly the one with zero street smarts?
Artimus Mangilord, you make zero sense.
"I’m like a superhero. Call me Basketball Man." - LBJ
How does the principle of transparency elude you?
If you were playing blackjack and the dealer told you over and over they hit 21 but never turned over their first card to show you, are you so gullible you would just trust them? They have to show for you to verify it, right? This is no different.
Keep holding your breath on those funds from Nigeria, LakerUNenLighTeneD. Everyone is trustworthy and the world is a friendly place where no one has alterior motives.
by Artimus Mangilord on May 19, 2010 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Laker guy
Ever stop to think that the whole ‘going to bed with Clay Bennett’ thing that we all know about Stern now in retrospect could have had a hand in a team that Stern knew was relocating getting a top pick to help transition a team that otherwise, nobody in OKC would have given 2 shits about? Seattle was TERRIBLE without that pick but getting Durant put a marquee guy in the mix for the yokel’s from Oklahoma to get pumped about and generate ticket sales to prevent what was already a disastrous PR move (raping Seattle for their basketball team) get even worse with low PSL sales and the like…
I’m just sayin… look beneath the surface as you see it there guy…
Further
I don’t think they rig EVERY draft, just when there are monumental or momentus (whichever term fits more appropriately here) occasions that have the good of the NBA behind them. i.e. Pat Ewing to save the large market NYK during a crucial time for the NBA’s growth.
Next time the Knicks are in contention for a #1 overall, I bet they get it… unless they get LeBron sooner.
Think about it. I don’t want to sound like some loon conspiracy theorist, but Portland, the team that conveniently gets the lions share of Sonic dropout fans when Clay Bennett splits with his team winds up with the #1, and the team in dire need of some hype (the future OKC, which was already in the works at the time they took Durant as the Sonics) winds up with the #2 in a draft where both guys were seen as sure shot stars (Oden’s failures are only hindsight and can’t be counted because we all thought he was the next dominant big man sans about 2 people in the entire world).
By giving those two small market teams these gifts, Stern effectively quelled the whole “this is bullshit!” rage for a large part of the Northwest hoops fanbase around the Sonics departure and killed two birds with one stone by proping up the Zombie Sonics with a future to build around in Durant.
Crazy? Perhaps. Completely ridiculous to fathom? How could you wholly dismiss the notion? Stranger things have happened.
yokels in ok city don't need a marquee guy to get pumped
a stiff wind will do.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
we're on a mission from god
I was hoping it wasn't just me that noticed
post anything about bad refs…Laker fan denial. i actually went out of my way to not mention the officials when talking about Stern’s untrusted reputation. They find their way into any convo though.
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by Joelsopinion on May 19, 2010 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Laker fan denial about what?
The refs? You mean, THOSE NBA refs? The ones that gave the thunder over 20 more free throws per game on their home court?
"I’m like a superhero. Call me Basketball Man." - LBJ
Are we also talking about the refs who gave the Suns 10 more free throws, while the Lakers attacked the paint more often?
"I’m like a superhero. Call me Basketball Man." - LBJ
So you see what I mean then
You can’t tell me that refs do that on accident can you? The NBA (read Stern) wants to milk the season for as much coin as possible.
I never once said that the refs push games in LA’s favor did I? It just so happens that, on this site, whenever the refs are mentioned comments by Laker fans abound. Even if the conversation has nothing to do with a Laker game. Why do you guys (and yes I’m generalizing LA fans) feel the need to run to the defense of questionable officiating?
Now when we mention that we’d prefer that the lottery be completely transparent LA fans, almost on cue, turn up to set matters straight. Thank LA fan for quelling my doubts about commissioner Stern’s ethics.
I'm freaken pumped,I've been drinking green tea all goddamn day! God I go to church every god damn sunday,your going to bring the demons out of me...This is my hat now, this is totaly my hat !
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by Joelsopinion on May 19, 2010 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Its not LA Fans.
You shouldn’t base a whole fanbases’ opinions just because of my comments. And no, you didn’t say the refs push the games in the Lakers’ favor, but that’s what most fans complain about when discussing Lakers game officiating. No, I’m not denying that theres some mischevious officiated going on. But my main point is that if the Lottery was fixed, why would small(er) market teams like Portland, Toronto, and Milwaukee end up with the first overall pick? If it was fixed, Boston wouldn’t have fallen back to fifth. They would have instead ended up with Oden/Durant, as many predicted.
"I’m like a superhero. Call me Basketball Man." - LBJ
I see your point
In my comment way up there I said
" No one can say for certain that the draft is rigged, but he’s not doing himself (or the NBA for that matter) any favors by not allowing those most affected by the outcome of the lottery system to see the results first hand."
Is transparency too much to ask for? Did the lottery ball machine cost too much to run for 45 minutes a year?
On this site we’ve said several times that the NBA needs transparency in it’s officiating and now in the lottery. I have nothing vested in either NJ, DC, NY or any other lottery team. As a fan of all things basketball though, I have the right to an opinion. And that is tranparency in actions that affect a teams probable success.
I'm freaken pumped,I've been drinking green tea all goddamn day! God I go to church every god damn sunday,your going to bring the demons out of me...This is my hat now, this is totaly my hat !
Q.P.U. #Pi
by Joelsopinion on May 19, 2010 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Fair enough to ask for transparency
I just don’t see the logic in some previously stated teams winning the lottery.
"I’m like a superhero. Call me Basketball Man." - LBJ
It makes sense
For the NBA to use a behind closed doors process to level out the playing field…the better all teams are the easier the money flows…but when it comes to the big market teams that’s more sterns fixing in the way of, oh I don’t know, ummm oh right! Gasol traded to lakers for basically nothing, and the big three ending up in Boston and what’s the other one….ummmmm….oh yeah! Lebron ending up with basically an all-star team after the trade deadline….
Dude: we just wanna see the fucking ping-pong balls pop up with a teams name on it. Why is that so hard to fathom…?
by SternfluffsKobe on May 19, 2010 5:29 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
The situation in the Northwest
Was far more important to Stern at the time than granting the Celtics a #1. If there was no situation to deal with there, I’ll bet the Celts would have gotten that pick. He had bigger fish to fry… such as saving his own rep, preventing lawsuits in Seattle and appeasing a new fanbase in OKC. He didn’t give 2 shits about Boston at the time, plus the NBA was already pretty relatively healthy without propping up another stalwart team… hell, it was probably as healthy a league as the NBA has ever been at that time.
Well, Maybe
It has to do with the fact that that group now in power likes to “strongarm” the good old Chicago way to get what they want?
The Shore Bank deal (take a few minutes to look it up before commenting, please).
Going to Copenhagen to strongarm for the Olympics.
There is a pattern here. Stern would not like anything to screw up his good deal.
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by IgorBStrange on May 22, 2010 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions
it may have to do with that
but I’m not quite convinced that that was the point Gasus was trying to make.
although I don't trust the NBA...
there is an obvious explanation. Since the lottery is weighted toward the worse teams, to do this with balls, one would need to put in a large number of balls for each team. 25% of them would have to be for the NJ Nets, for example. So once the Nets, get picked, approximately 25% of the remaining balls would still be for the Nets. Once you get to the end of the lottery and there are only a few teams with few balls, it could take a very long time to get the last teams picked. This would make for very boring and bad TV. In order to televise the lotto, they have to forgo the open process.
Good Point
But they need a better system for it then. Have a few accounting firms and Microsoft evaluate a computerized system that picks random numbers then. Weight the program how it should be then let the fans watch it do it’s work.
Plus that just comes back to everything else in the NBA
It is made for TV just like the WWE. Don’t televise the fucking lottery then or just televise the way they do but have the owners or management watch the process beforehand. They could have some fans from St. Judes or something represent the team on the televised version.
I had no idea the WWE has a draft
I thought people who have huge muscles get in and try to be the next John Cena…
Everyone has a right to be stupid. I just abuse the privilege.
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It's more like try outs
McMahon has a giant sack of steroids suspended from the top of the no way out cage. Whoever nabs the sack, gets the roids and thus a new role as the villain. And yes I know how funny “nabs the sack” sounds outloud.
I'm freaken pumped,I've been drinking green tea all goddamn day! God I go to church every god damn sunday,your going to bring the demons out of me...This is my hat now, this is totaly my hat !
Q.P.U. #Pi
by Joelsopinion on May 20, 2010 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mN3OGRGybA
Lulz.
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by Tempestuous Binary on May 19, 2010 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Sure they may had the most ping pong balls (although technically the Cavs did)
But they still didn’t have very many. Like the guy above me said, 25% is 25%. You’re only getting that number one pick once out of four tries.
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by Uh on May 19, 2010 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Andrew
do you think the Bullets getting the first pick (Wall) could affect Melo’s decision to possibly play in Washington (close to his hometown of Baltimore) once the doomed free agency arrives (provided he doesn’t re-up this summer)? Provided they don’t spend their money this summer, they would be able to go after him.
Absolutely...
It’s a great point I should have thought to bring up.
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by Andrew Feinstein on May 19, 2010 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Being from Virginia
and Melo being from Baltimore, I say this doesn’t happen. Anybody who has seen the Wizards history knows that going there is a ticket for bad luck, injury, and lots of losses. That team is cursed, and Melo knows it.
I don't mean to go all "Thursty" on you Andrew...
But in your Stiff List, you say “card blanche”, when the phrase is actually “carte blanche”
Swats.
Correction noted...
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by Andrew Feinstein on May 19, 2010 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Read that Prokhorov said his goodbye to Kiki.
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5201670
I’m disappointed in Prokhorov. I thought he was going to use some shady Russian-Mafia type maneuver to wind up with that number one pick. He did not at all look pleased with number three. Stern might soon wake up with Kobe Bryant’s head in his bed.
I thought I was the only one
I was seriously hoping for some Hollywood drama. Oh well…and PS Kobe and Stern have been in bed together for some time now.
And cue a laker fan response in 3,2,1…
I'm freaken pumped,I've been drinking green tea all goddamn day! God I go to church every god damn sunday,your going to bring the demons out of me...This is my hat now, this is totaly my hat !
Q.P.U. #Pi
by Joelsopinion on May 20, 2010 8:54 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd like to think he was serious
From ESPN’s Daily Dime:
Prokhorov provided some rare insight into himself, his history and his plans in a 90-minute sitdown with a group of 10 Nets beat writers and national writers before a formal news conference at which he actually said, jokingly, “If I tell you, I will have to kill you,” when one reporter asked about the Nets’ coaching plans.
by Artimus Mangilord on May 20, 2010 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Yackov Schmirnov
Is the only Russian comedian I know of.
“In Russia the coach doesn’t tank season, the season tanks coach”
Prokhorov is serious. Any coach he asked will be signing his own death warrant.
I'm freaken pumped,I've been drinking green tea all goddamn day! God I go to church every god damn sunday,your going to bring the demons out of me...This is my hat now, this is totaly my hat !
Q.P.U. #Pi
by Joelsopinion on May 20, 2010 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Haha, welcome to democracy Prokhorov!!
Can’t just whack everyone over here… except Kiki… go ahead and whack him.
i love yachov smirnoff!
He’s classic!
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