A Western Conference Finals Preview?... (Nuggets/Lakers recap)
Nuggstramadus was right: there was no way the Nuggets were going to beat David Stern's preferred franchise three straight times in the regular season.
Watching the Nuggets dominate the first half today while dropping free throws and easy possessions left and right, I felt like I was watching one of those movies where the good guy shoots the bad guy and then turns his back without confirming the bad guy's death, leaving everyone - except the good guy - knowing that the bad guy isn't dead yet. So it wasn't the least surprising when the Lakers crept back into the game, like a Hollywood villain who's down but not out, soon into the second half knowing they were damn lucky to be down just nine when it should have been 20.
The Nuggets handed this game over to the Lakers within the first four minutes of the second half. Out of their first five possessions in the second half, the Nuggets had four one-on-one shot attempts - all missed shots - and a turnover. As a result, the Nuggets didn't score for the first three-and-a-half minutes. Compounding problems, Nuggets head coach George Karl waited too long to call his first timeout of the second half (after four of the five bad possessions and a nine point lead cut to three, Karl finally asked for time) as that early second half performance called for an immediate timeout and lecture.
That said, four or five bad possessions does not a bad game make. 35.9% field goal shooting, a paltry 37 second half points and 20 turnovers - six more than your season average - does. Simply put, the Nuggets couldn't shoot straight and were irresponsible with the basketball in the second half. But they didn't put themselves in a position to shoot well thanks to countless careless, rushed-shot possessions. The ABC announcing team spent the entire second half falling over themselves to congratulate the Lakers defense, but I thought the Nuggets - like the good guy in the movie mentioned earlier - allowed their villainous opponents to get up and walk after being punched in the gut in the first half.
And thus, I feel like we got a sneak preview of the Western Conference Finals today. As if they haven't learned this already, the Nuggets must realize that owning the energy of one half of basketball won't be enough when they play the Lakers. They must own the energy of two halves, and shoot straight to boot.
A couple takeaways to think about...
...Arron Afflalo's double block on Pau Gasol and then Kobe Bryant to break up a Lakers fast break has to be the Nuggets defensive play of the year.
...J.R. Smith's pop-from-behind steals on Kobe Bryant in the first half were awesome, but then he tried it one too many times and was generally careless on defense in the second half. More on J.R. shortly.
...while Carmelo Anthony was having fun out there (which I thought was a good thing), Kobe Bryant looked miserable. Unfortunately, Melo and the Nuggets weren't able to maintain their looseness in the second half.
...any NBA player other than Bryant would have been ejected for his behavior towards the referees today. Bryant got tee'd up early in the first half and continued to push the envelope with the refs throughout the game. Apparently, whenever he gets his shot blocked Bryant assumes he must have been fouled.
...the Nuggets seem to have figured out Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum and even Bryant (possibly, thanks to Afflalo's tireless and focused defense). And yet Lamar Odom continues to confound the Nuggets.
...with Sasha Vujacic unable to play, Ron Artest made up for his absence by flopping as often as possible. Artest even tipped his hand by telling ABC's Lisa Salters before the game that he was "adding flopping to his repertoire."
...the offensive foul against Melo - his sixth - against a flopping Artest at the 2:13 mark of the fourth quarter was complete horseshit. I won't blame the Nuggets loss on that call, but I'm already concerned that these types of calls will become a fixture in a possible Nuggets/Lakers playoff series.
In conclusion, I wouldn't stress too much over this loss. The Nuggets couldn't have played much worse in the second half and yet were a bad call away from possibly sending the game into overtime on the home floor of the NBA Champions. The good guys just may win yet.
Non-Stiff of the Game
-Lamar Odom: 20 points, 12 rebounds and four steals in 30 minutes of playing time. As noted above, Odom continues to be the puzzle that the Nuggets can't seem so solve when playing the Lakers.
Stiff of the Game
-J.R. Smith: After stupidly calling out Bryant on his Twitter account, J.R. proceeded to embarrass himself today with a 3-for-12 (1-for-7 from three point range) shooting "performance". As we've become accustomed to with J.R., it always seems to be two steps forward, one step back.
Opposition's Take: Silver Screen and Roll
Photo courtesy of AP: Danny Moloshok
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Artest
Artest was probably the non stiff of the game. He played some of the best defense ive seen on melo. For his offense i wouldnt give him credit id give the nuggets defense. Every shot he took, which i felt like were all threes, were absolutly wide open.
by Birdman and Jay arah on Feb 28, 2010 5:14 PM MST reply actions
Can't respect a thug like Artest
He played dirty all game long. His offense was good, but when people give him credit for playing good defense it pisses me off
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
so u cant respect half your whole team...
martin, smith, nene, billups, afflalo… all play like artest did last night.
hard physical defense.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
Does Melo get less respect than any other NBA star?
Honestly does any other star player foul out in such a big game on a BS call like that? I’m all for less referee interference in the NBA, but only if the calls are even. Don’t call a foul on one end that you don’t call on the other.
Is there any doubt that Melo is ejected from this game if he acts out half as bad as Kobe did throughout the game? Can anybody else besides LeBron throw fits at the refs like that on every call and get away with it?
One last thing, I’m not positive on the NBA rulebook, but on that possession at the end of the game when the Nuggs were down by 4 and Kobe shoots and misses the jumper; since Gasol tapped the rebound into the backcourt without the ball being touched by a Nugget player – shouldn’t that have been a backcourt violation? I would think so, but who knows with the NBA. I like the Nuggets chances down by 4 with the ball and about 30 seconds left.
You're right
Honestly does any other star player foul out in such a big game on a BS call like that?
Never. Stern needs to get control of the “flopping” in the NBA, and leave it’s expertise to soccer.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
I was running around my living room like a crazy man when that happened.
I was screaming for a backcourt violation! Nobody else was tripping like I was tho. The Nuggets werent…the bench wasnt. I dont have tivo so I figured somebody on the Nuggets hit it and calmed down.
by GottaLoveMelo on Mar 1, 2010 9:14 AM MST up reply actions
The only excuse for that call would have been if the officials thought that the Nuggets had gained posession, which they hadn’t. I can tell you that by high school rule, you are correct that there should have been a backcourt violation. I don’t think the play went down quyite as you describe. There was a loose ball and a Flaker player was the last to touch so that makes it a backcourt violation.
"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!" ...Homer Simpson
We were missing our secret weapon in the second half
Man the moment Lawson came into the game, the Lakers looked lost and he just kept driving in on them and either drawing fouls or kicking it out to the right players. The Lakers don’t have an answer for him. So I would not read too much into this loss (except we probably won’t get 1st seed in the West). Also everyone around Lawson seems to feed on his energy and play better. Not saying Lawson is good against other teams, but against the Lakers & Jazz he is ballin!
The fact that we coughed up an 8 point lead and came back and got a lead says a lot . I only wish Chauncey got a little more rest in the 2nd quarter and early part of the 4th quarter so he could have been more focused and less turnover prone. Of course that would have been made easier had Lawson not injured his shoulder.
I missed that point in my postgame review
Ty Lawson’s injury was a factor in the loss. He lights up the Lakers’ point guards (as I’m sure he does other teams’ PGs).
I do think that the last minute left a lot to be desired for Denver fans, as the Nuggets seemed to go for the homerun each time, even though the game was within reach without resorting to quick hits.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
“Nuggstramadus was right: there was no way the Nuggets were going to beat David Stern’s preferred franchise three straight times in the regular season.”
For the life of me I can’t remember why you guys are the laughingstock of SB Nation. It will come to me.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
by pslakerfan on Feb 28, 2010 5:41 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Wow Typical Ignorant
comment from an IGNORANT laker fan. I deal with dumb asses like you on a daily basis living in so cal. Funny how the so called laker fans were booing their team in the 1st half and cheering at the end of the game. Laker fans know nothing about basketball and they are most fickle fans ever. No wonder no one can stand the lakers or their fans. The reason the lakers won the game had nothing do with them. The nuggets shot the ball really bad in the 2nd half and the refs were handed them the game in the 2nd half. Nuggets 23 FTs in the first half and only 10 in the 2nd half. that is way to big of a disparity.
Oh and I do not expect you to know what fickle means.
by gnarlybroncodude on Feb 28, 2010 6:02 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Great Comeback
it amazes me how stupid some people are
by gnarlybroncodude on Feb 28, 2010 6:17 PM MST up reply actions
I wouldn’t really call the Laker crowd and fans ‘fickle’. They aren’t really wishy-washy about what they want to see and expect, they want to see the Lakers play hard and give a good effort. If you remember, Staples center was filled with boos and stuff thrown onto the court against the Cav’s Christmas day because they expected better.
If anybody could be called fickle, It’d be the Lakers team itself because their play is sometimes amazing and sometimes awful. They need to make up their mind about how to come out to play.
by stephens on Feb 28, 2010 8:57 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Also, the Lakers had to do something in order to win this game. I only listened to the game, but it sounded like they played much more aggressively than they did in the first half. Though perhaps you are right. The announcers were wondering how the Lakers were only down by such a small margin at the half because of how awfully they were playing. That being said, the Free-throw differential after the first half was 23-4, so its difficult to say that the reffing was lopsided and unfair from your vantage.
I also don’t understand how shooting 13 less free-throws from one half to the next is a ‘too big of a disparity’. Please explain.
Fickle....
It means blaming everyone else for your problems. Crap. That’s a Denver Stiff. My bad. How many games have you guys lost this season because you just didn’t play well? 2….1….0?
Which team leads the league in free throw attempts anyway?
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
by pslakerfan on Feb 28, 2010 11:43 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Which team leads the league in bullshit calls?
The Nuggets earn their free throws. They don’t whine to the refs like Kobe
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
yeah and I'm sure melo, wade, or lebron havent ever whined to the refs...
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
I love it when people hate us.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
Matt Prater, pre-2009 season: Despised, lambasted, Josh McDaniels is derided for not replacing him.
Matt Prater, post-2009 season: Loved, praised, everone forgets the time when they called Josh McDaniels an idiot for not replacing him.
by Tempestuous Binary on Feb 28, 2010 6:57 PM MST up reply actions
Dallas fans hate Denver most I think
would be fun to have a Nuggs-mavs rematch
"Attitude reflect leadership, captain" - Big Jules
if the standings stay as they are right now,
you will meet dallas in the second round of the playoffs
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
pity, not hate.....
both have 4 letters though. Kudos for that.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
by pslakerfan on Feb 28, 2010 11:44 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
lakers/cavs
see lakers and cavs fans make posts like this all the time. they try to run sbnation, their sites are fixed, you can’t say anything about a rigged game. Especially that Nugs/Cavs game. That game was heavily fixed and Denver still won!!
Hit and run much?
Stir things up a bit and go back in your hole. Laker fans are the most uninspired, apathetic, entitled, spoiled bunch of limelight sucking a-holes ever seen in the sporting world. Yes, even Yankee fans take a backseat to you. At least they’re passionate, and know what they’re talking about.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
by propheteer on Feb 28, 2010 8:13 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
this
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
I see you didn't deny any of it though.....
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
by pslakerfan on Feb 28, 2010 11:38 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Why would I address your baseless claim?
It’s your opinion, with nothing concrete to stand on.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
Dude, calm down...
Painting with such broad strokes is inevitably going to be wrong. Generalizations often are.
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
by With Malice on Mar 1, 2010 1:04 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Like this?
For the life of me I can’t remember why you guys are the laughingstock of SB Nation.
Just fighting fire with a little fire.
Try showing up for a game on-time- I know it’s difficult because of traffic, self-indulgent lifestyle, the sun, smog, cameras, mirrors, etc.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
Errr... nice error chief!
1. Did I say that?
2. Yeah, because showing up on time – given I live in Japan – is what it’s all about.
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
Sure
I have a good friend who’s a Cowgirl fan. Although, she’s not a stereotypical Texan.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
the fix?
must be tough to always be on the wrong side of the conspiracy.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
not on the wrong side
I’m not on the wrong side. That’s you, because you want it to happen. I’m on the correct side.
Everyone must do a better job in 4th quarter crunch time
We had the ball down 4 with 50 seconds or so left. In the Cavs game GK wanted a timeout at the end and CB overruled him. GK lets them go again and we race up the court for a wild turnover with lots of time left. Nuggets are always trying to play fast and easy like they are going to win every game by double digits. It comes down to executing in the half court offense as a team. Defensively we were very solid, made Artest and Odom beat us and ultimately they did. But the total collapse of the bench and the offense in the second half played a huge role. Melo played selfishly the entire second half even as the team kept going to him while he struggled.
Hope Ty isn’t hurt and can go tomorrow. They are on a back to back too
To me, Melo seems like he’s more concerned about joking and playing around than playing focused basketball…
It reminds me of WCF series last year, where in Game 1 and 2 he was absolute monster, then in Game 6 he disappeared.
I can understand trying and missing shots, but I can’t understand the lack of seriousness in playing in a game of this magnitude. What’s he laughing and smiling when he’s struggling and NOT TRYING to shake himself out of that struggle? He’s not trying to solve the Lakers’ defense but he was repeatedly trying to solve it with one answer that failed and failed again: penetrate through crowded Lakers defense. That’s like someone trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, which is the true meaning of “madness”.
Some of you may say it’s his style, it’s his trademark, it’s Melo smiling but he’s frustrated. Can you question Melo’s seriousness and focus towards this game? I can.
If Melo shows up like this in the playoffs again, forget about the title. On some nights (like this one), he seems to be more interested in something else other than winning a ball game.
some people smile at the absurdity of some shit like taking it hard and not getting the call countless times, while getting called for bullshit calls yourself.
there’s no rule in life saying that when you’re pissed n’ shit that you have to have a furrowed brow and look constipated about to take a shit.
agree 100%
I think melo knew he was getting roughed up, and the refs were letting it roll, and he knew that unlike kobe, if he started yelling at the refs about it, he would be bounced quicker than a nickel off a trampoline. SO he smiles, and keeps trying. As for not wanting to win. I think the play where he drove the basket, got contact (no call) missed the shot got the rebound, missed again, then got the final touch on the miss to put it back in for the basket…. obviously he wanted to win. Man everyone expects melo greatness night in and night out.. and when you dont get exactly that, we are ready to call him out. If he plays like it for several games in a row, might be a issue, but everyone has a bad game.
Furthermore
Remember the game in Cleveland? Melo was going toe-to-toe with Bron, and Bron was talking a lot of trash with a really pissed off look on his face. Melo was just laughing.
That game turned out a little better than this one. The fact that he was laughing and having fun didn’t stop him from nailing the game winner in OT.
I don’t think it’s a problem for him to be smiling and laughing out there. I understand he frustration, though. 8 turnovers, 1 assist is no so good.
by ParkHillNative on Feb 28, 2010 7:34 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
kobe was the same way in his youth.
give him some time to mature. he is still young. most players dont mature until they are in their late 20’s.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
Hopefully we bounce back tomorrow
both teams coming off losses.
JR might have shot terrible but still had 5 rebounds, 4 steals and 0 turnovers. like i said, i can live with missed shots, just dont play stupid. i think he forced 2 shots in the second half (when everyone decided to just force it and shoot) and took that terrible shot to end the 2nd qtr, but for the most part he was just missing open looks.
btw, how is afflalo only credited w/ 1 block? i swear he had at least 3.
So we scored 39 2nd half points
and still almost won in LA, still this team looks primed to beat LA come play-off time and today just gave me reassurance of that thought. Ty is definitely a big key in beating LA though, he must be healthy. Bad second half but not as frustrating as the US loss in hockey.
March 14, 2010: The great one returns!
smelo
feinstein this has to be your worst, bias and most brutal post game analysis EVER. 8 turn overs for meeelo and 5 for billups and you call earl smith the stiff of the game. when chauncemee and meeelo were taking turns pissing the game away in the 3rd quarter you blame coach karl for not calling a time out. nuggets deserved to lose the game. blaming the refs, stern and smith for this loss is totally lame. this will not be a preview of the western conference finals when 2 of the 3 captains for the nuggets play selfish basketball and set a bad example for the rest of the team. i never liked kobe bryant and never will. i give him all the credit in the world when he struggles with scoring and comes away with 12 assists. bryant’s 12 assists is another fact feinstein chooses to ignore in his recap of the game along with the turnovers from meeelo and chauncemee..
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
I agree...
Melo’s shot selection and carelessness with the ball was atrocious and Bryant’s 12 assists more than compensated for his poor shooting. Good points…
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by Andrew Feinstein on Feb 28, 2010 6:05 PM MST up reply actions
i hate how JR is constantly thrown under the bus
not even here, but publicly, by sportswriters and even Karl. You want to talk about bad shot selection? Chauncey Billups. I don’t care if he makes them or not. A bad shot is a bad shot, agreed? It’s as if JR is given a quota of 3-5 bad plays, and as soon as he fills that quota he gets pulled
absolutely not
if chauncey wants to he can heave it up at halfcourt everytime down the floor AS LONG AS HE MAKES IT. fine with me.
made shot = ALWAYS a good shot
missed open look within your range = still a good shot
missed bad look, forced up shot = bad shot
by AGAINST_DA_LAW-SON on Mar 1, 2010 12:20 PM MST up reply actions
agreed....
but how many more assists could melo get if someone was i dont know cutting to the basket, instead of standing around the 3 point arc, hoping the ball is passed out and then hoping they make the shot. Quite a few of kobes assists went to cutters, or to the bigs standing low, not being blocked out. Everyone wants melo to be a superstar, and put the team on his shoulders, but when he tries and fails (as he will, no one is perfect) then we say he doesnt care, or is selfish. What if melo didnt take the shots, and tried to let the other players win the game… and they didnt (as the shooting today showed) then we would say come on melo, your the superstar take over the game. A man just cant win a break. That said 8 turnovers are too many.
The refs played a huge factor in this game
The nuggets could not buy a foul in the 2nd half. They had 23 FT at half and only 10 after. That is to big of a disparity. A few of those steals that Artest had on Melo were obvious fouls. Melo continues to get no respect from the refs and David Stern.
by gnarlybroncodude on Feb 28, 2010 6:06 PM MST up reply actions
denver shot 33 free throws and LAL shot 21
do NOT blame this loss on the refs. denver had their fair share of calls.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
Did you even watch the 2nd half
if you did you would have seen the refs blowing the lakers back into the game and not giving the nuggets any calls. I am not saying the refs were the only reason we lost but they had a part in it
by gnarlybroncodude on Feb 28, 2010 6:19 PM MST up reply actions
explain?
if the refs got the lakers back in the game in the 2nd half then it was the refs who gave the nuggets the lead in the first half.
sounds like a wash to me.
its not a wash
because if they are doing it in one half as you think, then if they do it in the 2nd half they obviously control the tempo, so its not a wash.
It only sounds like a wash if it doesn’t happen at all.
Also melo had 3 Freethrows
The way artest was playing him he should have had at least 15. Half those steals artest had were obvious fouls. Artest should have fouled out. I counted at least 8 fouls on him. There is no way he should only have 3 and melo foul out
by gnarlybroncodude on Feb 28, 2010 6:23 PM MST up reply actions
Didn't watch the whole game
But from what I did see, I would agree, Artest was getting away with murder. Especially unpleasant to watch seeing as how I hate the guy so much.
by ParkHillNative on Feb 28, 2010 7:36 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I've only heard
people talk of GREAT defense. Analysts, bloggers, and fans alike. Said that Melo and Artest were playing each other evenly. While the last call was questionable, overall no one has been saying that Melo was being murdered. But then again a lot of those people miss the days before Jordan where there were no rules against hand checking so maybe that has something to do with their opinions.
That's a slightly skewed way of looking at it
I mean 33 free throws for Denver could ALL be legitimate calls while the 21 free throws for LA could all be illegitimate calls. Not saying that’s what happened, just saying it’s possible.
I think everyone agrees that Melo’s last two fouls, which dramatacially changed the game, were BS
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
+1
Anyone watch the ESPN highlights? All they are showing is Artest stealing it from Melo and every fucking one of them was a foul. If a player is dribbling the ball and facing the defender then the fucking defender can’t have his arm pushing against the offensive player. Since when in the fucking hell are these obvious calls not made? How the fuck can the league justify this when the guy getting hacked and shoved around while dribbling is an allstar? The league says it favors star players with their calls. Then why the fuck can’t they make a correct call for the Nugs star player? I’m not even asking for them to enact their star player call rule. Just make a fair fucking call!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dude yes I saw the arm but Refs are Refs they suck both ways, I have never liked calls by refs especially when I was playing.
But you got to take the bad with the good and hope it balances out, I am sure there were calls going the Nuggets way especially in the 1st half.
LA Sports is what keep me off the streets and out of trouble, thanks to all the teams Rams, Dodgers, Lakers, USC sports and the Love of Tennis.
by so.cal.native1952 on Mar 1, 2010 1:41 PM MST up reply actions
Doesn't balance out and that is a problem
When Melo ends the game with 6 fouls and 3 of them being fantom calls then something didn’t balance out did it? Artest is guarding Melo and steals it a whole bunch of times by fouling and not getting called and yet only ends up with three fouls. It didn’t balance out did it? Or are you just as stupid as your trolling suggests?
Whatever voutoe or voutolena so ok you are right the lakers get all the calls and the ladies and you guys get all the snow.
LA Sports is what keep me off the streets and out of trouble, thanks to all the teams Rams, Dodgers, Lakers, USC sports and the Love of Tennis.
by so.cal.native1952 on Mar 1, 2010 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
thats bs
they don’t get all the calls.
1.media favors certain teams.
2.announcers back it up.
3.calls are strange.
4.calls favor the media team.
5.over emphasis on “superstars” and what they can do that supposedly nobody else can.
That is what is going on.
Dude what is up with you, do you blame everyone else for everything.
LA Sports is what keep me off the streets and out of trouble, thanks to all the teams Rams, Dodgers, Lakers, USC sports and the Love of Tennis.
by so.cal.native1952 on Mar 1, 2010 4:17 PM MST up reply actions
its not blaming
that is what is going on. I don’t make the calls, so why are you telling me I’m blaming people. I don’t play in the league either.
agree w/ nohoops4u
exactly wat i ws gonna post but i was tired of getting bashed since i complained about meelo during the wizards and pistons game, i was labeled as someone that railed melo in every thread.
Analysis?
David Stern and JR Smith ruined my life.
by runningdonut on Feb 28, 2010 8:41 PM MST up reply actions
wager?
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
I don't like gambling much
David Stern has his hands in all the casinos too. Open your eyes man none of us are safe from him
by runningdonut on Feb 28, 2010 11:15 PM MST up reply actions
I meant maybe JR and Stern caused you to lose money
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Don't listen to nohoops Andrew....he's generally Melo's harshest critic
and the point about that jb22 made is valid. Chauncey had horrible shot selection at times in that game and yet get’s a free pass from fans.
BTW nohoops for you….generally when people GET OPEN Melo finds them. And blaming Earl for everything is just silly. We lost by 6 and you’d think we were blown out by 20
"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2
"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
I agree that Kobe should have been ejected
He was crying and bitching at the refs non stop the whole game. If melo would have done that he would have been ejected really quick. Just like Kobe never fouls out of a game. How does a superstar like melo foul out in a game like this one. That is complete BS
by gnarlybroncodude on Feb 28, 2010 6:08 PM MST reply actions
melo defends the paint...it's much easier for him to foul out than kobe.
stop it with the blinders, look at it logically.
melo had multiple blocks when the lakers got aggressive. kobe probably has 5 blocking fouls all season.
I agree.
The whole time I was wondering why Kobe hadnt been ejected. He got that first tech early on but was doing the EXACT same thing throughout the WHOLE game which was ridiculous! Let that have been Kmart…gone….melo…gone…shit even Artest would have been gone! Its so ridiculously stupid and I hate it.
by GottaLoveMelo on Mar 1, 2010 9:29 AM MST up reply actions
April 8 fellas...
Should be circled on your calendar. Cancel all your plans, birthdays, meetings, works, schools, weddings… lol… it’s our HEALTHY squad vs these Fakers.
Then, it will be a statement game.
I would also bet Ty winning in a 1-on-2 ball game vs Derek Fisher and Farmar himself.
How about another night at Choppers?
I missed the first one
by Artimus Mangilord on Mar 1, 2010 1:56 PM MST up reply actions
I'm sorry, but
I thought Chauncey’s decision making in the second half was not so great. Too many empty trips down the floor (he left his feet with no plan a few times). Maybe he was pushing a little harder knowing that Ty was not going to play. Overall a good effort, but champions play better than good when they need to.
Wow that last call on melo really pissed me off....
i hope things like that dont happen in the playoffs and we become like Sacramento fans who have to remember a horrible call (or multiple)…. also i think having AC in the game in the 4th screwed us over, cuz if i remember the Lakers had their run when he was in the game…
ill agree with you that the last call on melo was very questionable.
him and artest were battling like that the whole game, and then they decide to call an o foul on melo at the end of the game. pretty bad.
i dont like how it happened, but it did. melo should have known that he had 5 fouls and that artest had 3. so, artest was gonna play him much harder in order to try and get his 6th foul. most players will back off the wrestling in the post in order to avoid the 6th foul, melo did not.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
Goddamit
why is our next game against the lakers the second game of a back to back?
goddammit seriously
we’re at OKC the night before
Because David Stern hates the Nuggets
the same reason we have a league hight 22 back to backs. Same old Bullshit when it comes to David Sterns NBA hating the nuggets
by gnarlybroncodude on Feb 28, 2010 6:30 PM MST up reply actions
100%
totally agree, the announcers and commentators hate the Nuggets too, so that is why the calls go against them.
Dude the first game the lakers played against Denver was a back-to-back, it is just the way the cookie crumbles.
Don’t worry you will get no back-to-backs in the playoffs and good luck because you guys will need it, as well as the lakers.
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by so.cal.native1952 on Mar 1, 2010 8:37 AM MST up reply actions
It all even out in the long run maybe you should call the commish or congress
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by so.cal.native1952 on Mar 1, 2010 8:41 AM MST up reply actions
good/bad
Good:
-Nuggs played great in first half, poorly in second half, and still almost won the game
-Lakers needed a huge game from Odom, and he’s hit or miss
-Nuggs controlled Bynum and Gasol for most of the game
-Nuggs made Kobe work for his shots
Bad:
shot selection and turnovers were killer in second half)
-too much one on one, only 15 assists
-bad games from JR, Bird and Kmart (all – in +/
-shoddy reffing as usual, Melo got held all game by Artest, Kobe gets away with blasting the refs
A bounce back game tomorrow would make this loss go away
But it’s a back to back in Phoenix…..
Win or lose tomorrow, I better see some better effort from the bench. Other then Ty, they were horrible. Absolutely HORRIBLE! Did Andersen even play today?
True
Melo and Billups won’t commit so many turnovers, that’s for sure.
I’m not all mad about this loss, I kinds saw this coming, considering we beat the Lakers twice already. The last game is in Denver, so we’ll make up for this loss. Sure hope Ty Lawson’s injury is only minor.
this was a very frustrating second half, and not at all because of the refs.
rather, it was frustrating to watch a great TEAM devolve into bad isos and quick chucking. the offense was not even poor in the second half: it barely existed. and that WAS a terrible call to give melo a sixth foul, but the reason why melo gets in these situations in the first place is because hes a lazy defender. he doesnt even try to anticipate or move his body; hes so often late to the party and tries to compensate for it be reaching and… fouling. it happens over and over again and it will continue to happen this way because he doesnt want to play defense. that being said: the teams are theoretically more equal than most people realize i think.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
"these teams"
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
JR is not really the culprit here
He played really hard on defense, did a nice job going up and getting defensive rebounds, and he did not commit a turnover. Most of his 3 point attempts were decent looks (you should negate the half-court heave at the end of the first when you quote his stats), although I prefer him taking 3s on a catch and shoot rather than a pull up off the dribble. I mean, he even backed up his twitter statement by teaming up with AAA to make Kobe look like a very mediocre player. In fact, I would have preferred if the Nuggets tried to generate more offense with JR running pick and rolls from the top. Getting him to penetrate into the lane or throw his patented slip bounce pass to the roll-man (like he did to K-Mart for that pretty lefty lay-in) would have been more effective than watching Melo refuse to pass out of the double team, take tough jumpers, or simply turn the ball over by dribbling in traffic.
Also, people need to stop blaming Stern, the refs and the league with conspiracy theories, you are making everyone on this blog seem completely retarded.
by snafu on Feb 28, 2010 9:01 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
come on...
the call on Melo was totally wrong and even the ABC announcers said it as well
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
I'm not saying the refs are competent.
Every single NBA game seems to have at least 1 bad call made by the officials, but when it’s against the Lakers people start crying “Conspiracy!”. Sure the refs screw up, but that doesn’t mean they have an agenda against the Nuggets. Even throughout this game I thought they let the Nuggets get away with excessive body contact on defense, so it’s not like they were completely one-sided. Besides, the mistakes made by the Nuggets completely outshadowed the errors made by the officiating crew. The Nuggets put themselves in a position to get f***ed by the refs.
you know...some of it is simply humor
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
1 bad call
I’ve seen games with 15 to 20 bad calls.
This game was not really a big deal.
Yet who are you to say the refs don’t have an agenda?
How do you know?
That is part of the fix. You tell people what other people are thinking when you have no idea yourself.
Hahahaha...
Loved this!
You tell people what other people are thinking when you have no idea yourself.
Coupled with:
That is part of the fix.
Comedy gold!
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
its not comedy
you clearly have an agenda on agreeing with fixing games
Great game Nugz fans
No doubt these are the two best teams in the West and this game was basically a playoff game. I still have no idea why the Lakers dont respect you guys because ya’ll have earned it this year by killing pretty much every elite team. It just seemed like they didnt even wake up until after halftime which is strange to see. It was also interesting to watch how both teams performed when both of our superstars were getting locked up. Anways, cant wait till April 8th and more so, the end of May!
by the way, sucks to see the U.S. lose to the fucking Canadians.
at least we’re the kings of basketball.
by desecrator09 on Feb 28, 2010 9:33 PM MST up reply actions
I was hoping the U.S. was going to pull an upset, but that damn Crosby kid man.
The Lakers winning was one thing, but Canada beating us ruined my day.
Dude wake-up Lakers don't like nuggs because they don't play DEE without thugging , true ballers don't man handle all game and it will catch up to you too.
Lakers will always OWN denver to many Putzs on team.
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by so.cal.native1952 on Mar 1, 2010 12:02 AM MST up reply actions
On the topic of thuggery
The Lakers picked up Artest this season
by Artimus Mangilord on Mar 1, 2010 9:05 AM MST up reply actions
hahahaha excellent point
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
I'm a little confused on this point
what exactly constitutes thuggy defense?
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Instead of covering your man and staying with him, holding, grabbing, arm slapping, knee in the balls or low back .
Stuff like that also instead of going for ball running through your opponent to get the ball, over the back. Yes the lakers got Artest for being a good defender and you have martin, but NE-Ne, Birdman, affallo, and that guard the one that shoots 30 footers all play overly physical.
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by so.cal.native1952 on Mar 1, 2010 1:51 PM MST up reply actions
well, its not intramural basketball MAN!
paraphrasing Dan Hawkins
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
It's physical on both sides
The Nuggets have K-Mart, the Lakers have Artest.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Not to add to the ref complaints but . .
I thought you could put a forearm in the back on the post but what is with the forearm to the stomach on the preimeter? Artest did that all day long against ’Melo w/o getting a single whistle against him.
The last call was bogus, but I don’t think Kobe got the benefit of the doubt too much either.
Denver had plenty of good shots in the third quarter that they didn’t complete and Billups and Melo gave the ball away too many times. . .they lost the game on turnovers more than anything else.
It depends on what Lakers come to play
If the “we don’t really feel you’re good enough to be in a series against us” Lakers come to play then they will lose
It all depends on Phillip Jackson and on whether or not he can motivate his team.
Oh and If Chauncey Billups starts off 9 for 11 from 3 point range again then the Lakers probably won’t have a chance
"Attitude reflect leadership, captain" - Big Jules
plus 1 and don't get me wrong I do respect your team and coach, sometimes I can be a little _________
But I feel whoever has to play Dallas in going to have their work cut out, it will take a lot out of the winner.
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by so.cal.native1952 on Mar 1, 2010 5:16 AM MST up reply actions
Sloppy seconds and AC is no Ty
We can’t blame the refs for this game. We survived in the first @LA game without Melo, so why couldn’t we have turned it up for the last 150 seconds? It is common knowledge for unequality of free throws attempts to somehow balance themselves out between the two teams (or at least close) by games’ end. Very impressive first half, but I knew the Laker tide would take its toll on the Nuggs.
Upside: Ty is becoming the solid and dependable Chauncey replacement. Something that we didn’t have last year. Afflalo is gaining momentum against Kobe, who is strangely making his team more like the whining Spurs (Artest is falling into place, acting like Manu with the flops).
Downside: AC is continuing his woeful ways versus LA. I swear that his oncourt inability to point the team early in the 4th was the tipping point of the game. Nene’s second half disappearance, as in 2 points after scoring 12 in the first. And we all thought Smitty was inconsistent… I love Nene’s personality and story, but when is the toughness, Kevin Garnett-like intensity and domination be consistent for 38 minutes? I doubt that we’ll ever see that. Either a player has it and knows it, or just doesn’t!
Here’s hoping that we can keep the 2nd seed from Dallas and Utah, so that we can have home court as long as possible, and meet up with the Lakers again in the WCF!
Nicely put...
I see Denver as a cut above Dallas & Utah tho’. I think it’ll be LA/Denver for the WCF again.
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
There is a such thing as speculation
and GUESSING. You know that thing you do when you don’t know the answer on a multiple choice question.
after the dallas trade,
i see the lakers, nuggets and mavs all on the same level.
then, followed by the jazz, spurs, thunder….
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
Spot on Kevin...
I’m looking forward to that game, from the opposite perspective!
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
So much hate
Love it. We should play the lakers every game. It’s a bit puzzling pslakerfans and the bottom-dwelling lakers nation weren’t around after the first 2 double digit losses we handed them. I guess that would fit in with the majority of them who can’t be bothered to watch or lend their fandom when their team doesn’t win. The more reasonable Nugs and Lakers fans can agree it was a good game with fairly evenly matched teams. Hats of to the Lakers for the win. I really can’t wait to see them in the playoffs and hopefully we can do our part.
that's great
don’t see any hate though. just comments.
im really hoping for a nuggets/lakers wcf
it would be an awesome series!!
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
Your comments are jaded
Boy, you must of watched a different second half then everybody else. The Lakers, when pressured like that turn on the defense and stifle the opposition. That is what makes them Champions. Read the AP story on the game and listen to the comments from your coach and players. They did not know how to react to the pressure. Call a spade a spade, the Lakers effort in the first half was the same as the last two or three games for them. COMPLACENT, no energy. They finally turned up the energy and toasted your team like they will, if and when them they meet in the Playoffs. Your comments are very one sided and make for difficult reading, be more honest with your writing. The Nuggets are an excellent team on an inconsistent basis. Billups is a great guard, who knows how to win. Melo is right there at the top, but needs to cut out the smiling gig when successful, reminds me of Paul Pierce. That smile eventually will bite you in the ass (more like a disrespectful smirk). A sign of immaturity. Being a Laker fan, I have one last thing to say. Barring injuries, the Lakers should win two more championships in a row. By that time, Billups will be asking for a cane. The Nuggets are the second best team in the Conference, to bad their timing was off, because the Lakers team as situated can be one of the best teams ever assembled in NBA History.
"...the Lakers team as situated can be one of the best teams ever assembled in NBA History."
You could have said that about the squad that included Malone and Payton, too. How’d that work out for ya?
by Artimus Mangilord on Mar 1, 2010 9:27 AM MST up reply actions
Last time I checked
Paul Pierce shit on your boy Kobe in the finals.
And the 1990’s Bulls would humiliate the Lakers. Jordan >>>>>>>>>> Kobe. Pippen >>>>>> Odom, Artest. Would not even be a close game.
The Nuggets beat you twice and the only reason you won this one is because the Nuggets became complacent and the refs remembered that they are supposed to be Kobe’s lapdogs.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
and tell me again,
when was the last time the nuggets were in the finals?
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
Last time I checked
Kobe shit on your boy JR in last year’s WCF. And on your entire team. And he said one, even if I don’t agree with him, he only said one not THE greatest team. Big difference.
U r such a douche bag
I get tired of reading your sorry ass coments over here all of the time. You come over here and throw hate at everybody because you wish you would have chosen the Nugs as your team to follow. You will be a sorry mother fucker when the Nugs trample your fakers in the WCF. Refereeing will be on center stage and they will have to call games somewhat evenly.
keep using the refs as an excuse.
when you beat us earlier in the year, we gave you credit. or atleast i did. without any excuses.
return the favor.
or just continue to be a stiff.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
Go watch ESPN
They are putting the Artest deal on full blast for all to see. You can see for yourself that he was litterally pushing Melo off the ball as he was dribbling it. Give me a fucking break.
and there were probably calls missed for the lakers as well....
why do u continue to use the refs as an excuse.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
by LakersFoEva on Mar 1, 2010 1:45 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
no excuses
they don’t agree with the call, that’s all.
I'm talking about every fucking one of Artest's steals
Not just one dude. Every god damned one should have been a foul on his slow ass. The Lakers and Cavs are the only teams that this could happen for. How the fuck can the league justify giving favoratism to stars then letting Artest mug Melo on national television?
Maybe you should write your Congressman, or maybe just drive off Pikes Peak.
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by so.cal.native1952 on Mar 1, 2010 1:55 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
The reason I joined this site was due to refereeing
I know it is fucked up beyond belief. No sense in arguing with Laker trolls though. They are the worst kind of troll.
me too
I’m shocked at what is going on. Absoluetly shocked. No idea why they are doing this.
Right
Yesterday was obvious as was the game against the Cavs. I joined this site in hopes that I could talk about the corruption, or whatever you want to call it, with other fans. If our voice becomes big enough then maybe our senators or congressmen will get involved.
i aint trying to troll. never really ever meant to.
I just dont see how u can blame the result of the game on the refs.
over at ss&r, during the live game thread, we were unhappy with the lack of fts we were getting and the large amount you were getting in the first half. But your team was still giving it to us.
I guess the theme of what i have heard on this thread is blaming the refs for the loss. cant u just give credit where credit is due. the lakers fought back and ended up winning. i gave yall credit when u whooped us in november and when billups went crazy on us.
either way – i hope its denver and la in the wcf. shoudl be another awesome series, baring any injuries.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
not blaming
they are saying they don’t agree. they aren’t blaming.
I see what I see
I the steals by Artest were wrong in every way imaginable. If something is this fucked up then I am going to say it. I don’t get monsterous fines for talking about the refs.
Dude it is Basketball have you ever played it ?
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by so.cal.native1952 on Mar 1, 2010 2:00 PM MST up reply actions
Still do smart guy
Why don’t you go back to your Laker site and talk about nothing.
Okay then you know how the refs work right, the lakers lost to the nuggets the first 2 games and you lost this one.
Wow it all really doesn’t matter until playoffs and your team could go farther than the lakers or vice versa.
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by so.cal.native1952 on Mar 1, 2010 2:07 PM MST up reply actions
no excuses
there aren’t any excuses. nobody knows what a foul is that is the problem.
ive heard a million excuses in this thread.
refs arent perfect. they call what they can see.
u should be blaming your teams ft%. with all those free throws u got, i dont know how u didnt beat us.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"they call what they see"
You don’t know that. You are not inside their heads, you don’t know what they are thinking.
touche.
i assume they do their job the way they are supposed to.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
you assume
you don’t know. When you say “they” do you mean every single person who ever had a whistle?
Then you assume that 100% of those people were 100% honest, 100% of the time and 100% always doing their job.
You don’t know that.
Then one of those supposed perfectly honest guys gets caught gambling on the game
And the NBA says he is a rogue operative. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
One of these perfectly honest guys comes out and says that almost every one of them are biased and fucked up. What happens? The NBA says he is a rogue operative again. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so everything is one big conspiracy...
because ur team lost one game?
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
Not too sure
But I sure do know that the steals by Artest on Melo were completely and blantantly wrong. The 6 fouls on Melo and 3 on Artest were a complete fucking joke. If this would have happened to Kobe you would have had a league appology by now.
Didn't we do this on that stage already
and didn’t your team throw our guy the ball for the layup to win the game? Didn’t Kobe hit a three over JR? I like the Nuggets, and I try to follow them, but I have limited time constraints. I just don’t see why every single time I come here there is a discussion about refereeing against your team. Your team shoots the most free throws of any team. gets the second most whistles of any team. And your team got the benefit of the whistle more times than the Lakers have this year. In two of the three games, you guys have 10+ more fts than the Lakers, and in one of those game the Lakers had 5+ calls more than Denver. Don’t be mad at me cuz your team is dr. jekyll and mr. hyde. They should be head to head with the Lakers or even ahead of them, but since they don’t bring it every night they’re 5 1/2 games behind. That isn’t the commisioner telling them to lose to under.500 teams, thats them. I point out the realities that you as a Denver fan choose to ignore. The Lakers have had more injuries than the Nuggets, but sit ahead of them. The Lakers have been screwed by refs in games, just like the Nuggets. Did you watch the Christmas Lakers/Cavs game? They do not favor the Lakers to win. The league hasn’t doctored anything for Kobe. Your superstar gets the same calls as others, in fact he shoots more free throws per game than Lebron, or at least he did before he got injured. There are so many things that go against your daily analysis of refs blowing things for your team its ridiculous.
Lastly, I rarely come here because everytime I do there is a ridiculous post about the league favoring teams, especially the Lakers even when they don’t play you. So I don’t see how you get tired of seeing my comments as this is the first day that I have posted more than 1 or 2 things.
by Marty Mart on Mar 1, 2010 2:08 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
The Nugs attack the bucket A LOT more than any other team in the game
They draw more fouls due to their style of play. A game called unfairly by the referees has more effect on the Nugs because they rely on the refs to call a fair game. Go troll somewhere else.
Do you really think the refs would throw games and let it be obvious on the stat sheet?
If you do then you are as stupid as your trolling suggests.
it is getting obvious though
44-5, now 41-11. both teams were on the ROAD and got that disparity. That is an 85-16 difference in just two games. Both games went against Larry Bird, at home.
Check the box scores from the 1940’s-1980’s, 44-5, 41-11?
It never happened.
Celtics were +89 in 11 games this year outrebounding, out assisting, more field goals and more forced turnovers, they went 0-11. Imagine that. 0-11 and a +89 in reb assts fg & forced TO.
Cavs are -23 in 10 games this year in the same categories and that ISN"T even including the Indiana game where they shot 44-5. They went 10-0 in those games.
Cavs 10-0 -23.
Celtics 0-11 +89. Look it up in the box scores, that is what happened.
That is impossible.
Not sure what stats you are using for the +89 or 44-4 and 41-11
So I can’t really tell what you are trying to say…
games
Nets vs. Celtics 104-96 41-11 FT. Cavs vs. Pacers 94-73 44-5 FT
+89 is what the Celtics were in rebounds assists field goals and forced turnovers in their 11 closest losses this year. They went 0-11.
-23 is what the Cavs were in rebounds assists field goals and forced turnovers in their 10 closest wins this year. They went 10-0.
It's not about how many times the Nuggets get to the foul line
If it’s a foul in the first quarter, it’s a foul in the fourth quarter. If it’s a foul on one end of the court, it’s a foul on the other end too. Nugget fans just want consistency throughout the game.
"I know the game of basketball is one-on-one (oriented), but the pain of beating a defense by the pass — it confuses and frustrates the defense more than just going by a guy one-on-one." George Karl
quit blaming the refs
get over it. we played like shit in the 2nd half and lost. we need to play 4 quarters in the playoffs if we expect to win on the road
by skithebert on Mar 1, 2010 7:53 AM MST reply actions 3 recs
rec'd for accepting a loss
and not blamming your teams faults on anything but the team itself
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
Duplicate of last year
This game was a duplicate of last year in the playoffs. At first the nuggets are dominating, then the Lakers make adjustments and the nuggets aren’t able to respond. Three primary areas of concern:
1) The Lakers size. Simply unable to go one on one with their bigs, so even when they miss a shot, another 7 footer is there for the easy put back.
2) A.C. played.
3) Coaching. Last night was like watching a QB throw for 300 yards, but end the game with three interceptions. Karl was engaged early, giving good instructions, working hard. As noted in the review, the calling of the timeout was way too late. We all knew A.C. would have to play when Lawson went down, and I bet we were all thinking the same thing. Put A.C. in to get Billups a rest, then yank him as quickly as you can. Instead, A.C. stayed in long after Billups returned, and got 7 minutes overall. And finally, he rested melo inexplicably while running a lineup of A.C., J.R., Afflalo, Nene, and Birdman. How does that lineup ever get into a competitive game? Someone explain it to me please. Melo was sitting on the bench looking pissed. I was openly rooting for him to stand up and tell the coach “I’m going back in, NOW!” Comeon, Karl, you can do better.
+1
You have to throw the shoddy refereeing in there too. Absolute bullshit the way they let Artest hand check Melo off the ball numerous times. That is a foul against any other team in the fucking NBA.
He wasn't just hand checking him
He was shoving him. With both hands. The wrong guy fouled out. But now we know that even an ahole like Artest starts getting the special treatment when he puts on the purple and gold.
And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.
by Bob in Boulder on Mar 1, 2010 1:50 PM MST up reply actions
LOL, that is what I was saying
A “hand check” doesn’t push the offensive player off the ball. I was just using friedly language.
comments
This may be the worst set of post game comments ever on the Stiffs. The Laker trolls bring out the worst in us.
Yeah cuz Laker fans
started JoshW9 and his fixing games rants that made no sense. And Laker fans wrote the article directly from the Nuggets p.o.v instead of both sides. And Laker fans were also the ones who have Nuggets fans arguing with each other about whether Melo needs to improve or not. The ratio of Laker fan comments to Nugget fan comment is maybe 3:1, but its the Laker fans faults you didn’t like to read it.
JoshW9 got kicked off the Lakers and Celtics forums for trolling and now he’s over here doing it… But I only said that b/c I’m in on the fix – OBVIOUSLY
by Artimus Mangilord on Mar 1, 2010 9:29 AM MST up reply actions
He's not even trolling
He’s ignorant of anything but his speculation of the NBA. Someone referenced Chappelle’s Show and he was lost. lol. But Im making fun of his opinion, I must be in on…. THE FIX!!!
Chappelle
Dude, I know what the Chappelle show is I don’t live in a cave. Do I think its funny? Sometimes, but 90% of the time no. I don’t think Chris Rock is that funny either. Once in a while yes, but I don’t worship the dude like maybe you do.
You post that I’m ignorant of anything but what I posted, and that was incorrect.
I didn’t want to comment on things like the Chappelle show because it had nothing to do with the topic of my post. Then you post “your making fun of my opinion”.
What are you making fun of my opinion for, it makes no sense. It is somebody’s opinion, they are entitled to it.
I know that
and he was making fun of you when he posted “cocaine is a hell of a drug” as in saying you’re on cocaine and therefore the quote applies to you. Therefore the Chappelle’s Show quote applied to you.
And I only said the part about making fun of your opinion to comment on the fact that he referenced himself being in on the fix, which is one of your most ludicrous statements because anyone who doesn’t listen to your opinion has to be in on the fix.
I never posted that
I never posted that anyone who doesn’t listen to my opinion is in on a fix.
I don’t believe that is true.
I mean I’m basically saying Melo’s 6th foul, as well as other calls I’ve seen, just don’t seem legitimate. That doesn’t mean I should get a drug reference because Melo’s 6th was a little over the top.
He was saying you were on drugs
because you said that SBNation was a part of the fix, not because you thought Melo didn’t foul.
other sites
well other sites are much different than this. Here they delete comments instead of mocking than banning.
Dude Celtics blog has 18 moderaters and Nuggets have 2, so don’t tell me that every team’s site is exactly the same.
18 moderaters sounds like a fix to me, there are more mods than fans commenting.
Celtics Blog
gets rid of anyone who comes to say anything bad about the Celtics. Idk how long you’ve been a part of SBNation, but that has been pretty consistent as long as I have been here.
partly true
You can’t go over there and say the team can win a championship either bc someone will immediatly mock you, then a mod will come on and say you are calling people names.
Its actually closer to the opposite, if you type “Perkins stinks” over there they will probably make you head mod.
So far I don’t see that happening here.
You'll get booted fast on the Utah blog too
With that said, stop clogging things up here
by Artimus Mangilord on Mar 1, 2010 2:03 PM MST up reply actions
Yes it is a perfect demonstration of why we Denver Stiffs should avoid trolling other sites
Because going over to the blog of a team that just lost and rubbing the victory in is classless and immature.
No coincidence that there were no Lakers fans here after the two losses.
by Uh on Mar 1, 2010 8:39 PM MST up reply actions
I came over and congratulted you guys.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
Missed free throws and 3rd quarter shots
That’s what did it, folks. If the Nuggets make a few more free throws in the second half, or a couple of shots the first four minutes of the 3rd quarter, they win the game.
(The call on Melo was awful, but the Nuggets still probably (75%+ chance) lose if it’s not made. The way they were shooting in the 2nd half, they probably would have walked away with nothing anyway. And even if so, they’re down by a basket and the Lakers have the ball. You usually lose in that scenario.)
According to Boston.com a 6 point come from behind win is a “scorching” and the Flakers winning restores things back to normal:
http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/articles/2010/03/01/lakers_scorch_nuggets_despite_cold_bryant/
"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!" ...Homer Simpson
As much as I didn't like the refs in the second half
it wasn’t that they weren’t calling it fair but more that they were calling stuff that they weren’t calling in the first half. This includes Melo’s offensive foul and also the Fisher foul on Billups. However it wasn’t the refs that lost the game for us. We had the lead and let it go. If we had hit more of our free throws and actually had any sort of offense besides throwing up long jumpers or 3’s we could have pulled it out. Unfortunately we had too many turnovers, bad shots, and bad defense to be able win the game.
I really think this game was lost not when Melo fouled out but the first couple minutes of the third. If we come out there we win the game for sure. However, we let them back in the game and gave it to them when we got flustered with their amped up defensive intensity.
I agree.
As much as I didnt like the officiating. Nuggs were not on it in the second half.
by GottaLoveMelo on Mar 1, 2010 9:45 AM MST up reply actions
25 of 78 shots were from beyond the arc
we as Nuggets fans should know that we aren’t going to win alot of games when 1/3 of our shots are threes.
"I know the game of basketball is one-on-one (oriented), but the pain of beating a defense by the pass — it confuses and frustrates the defense more than just going by a guy one-on-one." George Karl
agree
that is why I don’t like some of the calls. It seems like in some games 10 or 15 times the whistle shouldn’t even be used. Just let them play if it is ticky tacky. Because otherwise ANY contact is a foul, yet there is contact on basically every play in the game. So if you call ticky tacky fouls you have to do it all game. Then the game drags on for another hour with each team at the line 20-40 times.
Its not like that. Alot of those calls don’t go with the rulebook. Honestly teams shouldn’t even be going to the line much more than 20 FT a game. Yes Nuggets go to the line alot, I just don’t see a substantial amount of calls in their favor. When they go to the line, they are really getting foul. The ticky tacky touching they guys pinky fouls are ridiculous.
Remember, there is physical contact on basically every play. So to call a foul because someone “touched” you is outrageous.
The last 2 foul calls against Melo were trash.
The 6 foul- the offensive foul which is agreed to be a horrible call.
before that tho…the 5th foul was crazy to me as well. Melo was leaning way from Kobe who was driving to the who…Melo doesnt bump him or even put his hands up. Kobe runs into him then bounces off and throws up a crazy shot and there is a fouled called on Melo.
Especially
When no foul was called on the drive Melo made earlier. They kept replaying him banging into a laker big (Odom or Gasol) then making a layup. Last time I checked, that’s a block on the defender.
Hey it's Kobe Bryant
You’re not allowed to breathe on him. Melo was within six feet of Kobe. He should have realized that and run to the bench to clear the lane for his highness. Otherwise, everyone knows that’s a foul.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Since when is it OK to shove a player out of the way with two hands?
Before stealing the ball, as Artest did on a few occasions? And fricken ABC kept showing the replay of one of them without ever pointing out the fact that Artest shoved Anthony out of the way in order to steal the ball. As usual, the officiating was garbage. But the Nugs lost this one on their own. Man I hate the Lakers. Now with Artest, they are even easier to hate. Hopefully he’ll implode at some point during the playoffs and cost them a game or two.
And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.
Sorry folks...MHHer invading cuz I need to talk with Bob!
Hey BiB, you mentioned you could score 15% off on a Duchene jersey for me at the Can…I’m buying myself an authentic for my bday…will you give a girl some love??
(oh, and go lakers! =p)
The 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche: People can stop waiting for these kids to hit the wall. They won’t.
Most telling stat of the game
Melo: 1 assist, 8 turnovers. His outside game has been brutal lately but he keeps heaving it up there. He was awful against Detroit and even worse yesterday. If he’d just pass the damn ball more the whole team would be better.
And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.
It's no coincidence
When Melo gets 6 or more assists, we’re 3-0 since his injury. In games in which he has more turnovers than assists, the Nuggets are 2-3.
I think the whole “one-on-one” mentality starts with him. As he goes, the team goes. When he is looking for the open man, the whole team plays with that mentality. When he isn’t, they all play like that (Smith and Billups come to mind).
Even in the first half, he seemed to be looking to pass more. His assist was a pretty nice pass where he drew a triple team and kicked it out to lawson for a three.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Nuggets site is good
Nuggets site is great. They just deleted the questionable comments and did not issue warnings and actually let me post again. That is professional, unlike other sites. I appreciate that.
Thanks and good luck for the rest of the year Nuggets. Hope you guys can win it all. With guys like Melo, Chauncey, JR, Nene, & K-Mart there isn’t a better 5 that the NBA can put on the court in my opinion.
Lakers fan here...
Didn’t watch the whole game, I did catch the later part of the 4th quarter when the game was still very much in reach for your Nuggs. I want to quickly comment on the “Stern is conspiring against the Nuggets” crap and just say thank you….I needed a laugh. Now, I’m not a basketball expert, but I can read (surprising, being as I’m a Lakers fan and all) and one glaring stat I’m looking at is 7-25, that what Denver shot from 3 point land. Now, I keep reading about how Chauncey is such a great leader, but can someone explain to me how thinking “o0o! THIS 28 foot shot with 18 seconds left on the shot clock is a GOOD offensive option” and ACTING on that thought makes for a good leader? Look, I hold these truths to be self-evident that all bad plays are created EQUAL by selfish, stupid, or impatient players, sometimes all three of those combine for the Nuggets performance yesterday against a half-way motivated Lakers squad. You can blame the refs, but I, like others real Lakers fans, like to hold the players accountable first. The stats show very simply that when the Lakers turned up the defensive intensity, Denver wilted (I expect you to know what “wilted” means, but I only know cause I googled it pre-post cause I wanted to use a cool word while looking at my hippie lava lamp). Denver settled for too many long-range jump shots instead of forcing the referees to call a foul. If your position is to argue that the refs didn’t bail out your players by calling fouls on the Lakers, you’re simultaneously proving a point about why your team isn’t a champion. Because when someone finally pushes back a little bit, that bravado that your team so openly walks around with, disappears. Yeah, Kobe walks around pissed off at the world, but I prefer that attitude to Melo’s “I’m smiling because I’m too pretty to frown” garbage. The man shows no intensity, as great a player as he can be, if he, being a co-captain? isn’t showing it on his face that he wants the win, why would his team?
Agree about the Chauncey shot selection
He took some poor, contested threes late in the game.
Oh and Melo shows no intensity? He’s one of the most clutch players in the league. He’s just not a whiny little baby who knows he’s going to get preferential treatment.
The Nuggets did everything they could to try to lose this game. That is not debatable. What is also not debatable is that no matter how bad the players played, the refs really screwed them. That call against Melo was simply bullshit. You don’t watch the Nuggets yet you claim to know what kind of a leader he is? I mean he’s 2-1 against Kobe he can’t be that bad of a leader. Also drained the game-winning shot in Lebron’s face. He won a national championship in college. You’re high if you don’t think the guy is intense. He just knows how to have fun and not be a little bitch to try to bully the referees. Kobe is a great player, but it really does seem like he’s trying to pressure the refs into helping him out.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Saying you are a Lakers Fan
and that you showed up late for the game is redundant. We already assume you show up fashionably late for everything.
Yeah
cuz only Laker fans ever miss a basketball game. Does that mean anytime you miss part of a Nugget game that you’re no better than a Laker fan?
by Marty Mart on Mar 1, 2010 1:17 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
because occasionally missing a game or part of a game is different that always showing up late for every game.
So what if
I Tivo’d the game? Does that make up for missing part of it? or is it just in general I can’t have a life and must clear everything in my schedule to make sure I’m on time to sit in the arena when the ball is tossed. I missed part of every thursday night Laker game because I was in lab for class does that make me a bad fan.
good fan
You’re not a bad fan, you are a good fan.
stereotype
Hey, I’m just picking on you. It’s a stereotype that Lakers fans can’t be bothered to show up on time. The announcers for every lakers game talk about the “late arriving crowd” and despite the fact that every game is sold out, the arena is half empty until the second quarter.
you ever driven in LA during rush hour or on the way to a laker game?
it takes forever to get anywhere. I can see why half the crowd is late.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
Yah that is one reason I don't go to games plus the BS prices.
LA Sports is what keep me off the streets and out of trouble, thanks to all the teams Rams, Dodgers, Lakers, USC sports and the Love of Tennis.
by so.cal.native1952 on Mar 1, 2010 2:11 PM MST up reply actions
maybe you should just leave your house/work earlier and account for the traffic, parking, standing in line, etc.
"I know the game of basketball is one-on-one (oriented), but the pain of beating a defense by the pass — it confuses and frustrates the defense more than just going by a guy one-on-one." George Karl
everyone does this. there is no way to avoid the traffic.
most poeple work till 5, go home to change, and then go to the game extra early to try and avoid traffic. but it doesnt work. there is always traffic in la, no matter what time of day.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
I've been to Bucks games
which is half the market size of LA. And its empty on sold out nights until the second quarter. Parking, Traveling, all of that good stuff must be taken into account especially with as many people as LA
4 on 8
with AC in the game.
And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.
by Bob in Boulder on Mar 1, 2010 12:28 PM MST up reply actions
Bottom line is
your team chucked its way to a loss more than the refs helped them get a victory. You even admitted that the Nuggets did everything they could to lose the game.
that's ok
every team in a game misses shots. you don’t get phantom calls against you because you missed shots. Makes no sense.
Point is
that the Nuggets lost this game when they let something like one call apparently decide the outcome of the game. They did not play well, and it wouldn’t have changed had Melo gotten one or two less fouls.
we know
the Nuggets lost. Some people are upset by the 1 game, some aren’t.
They didn’t play well in the 2nd half, but that doesn’t mean the Lakers get a call which they wouldn’t have gotten had the Nuggets played well.
That is what you have to pay attention to. Whether Melo was 1-100, 20-20, scoring 60 points or only having 3 points, the call goes by the rulebook. Not by how the refs think the players are giving their best effort or playing well.
People don’t want to get hurt in a game. Understand that. So when the ticky tacky stuff starts, the game goes wrong.
The leader comment was regarding Chauncey...
You may want to pay more attention to my post. I said that being the co-captain for the team, the team will take psychological cues from him and their confidence will be determined by his demeanor. You can play the 5 – 8 argument all you want, but realistically, the Lakers won a 5 on 5 game yesterday, as neither Chauncey, Melo’, or Earl decided to show up for a full game. The difference is that unlike Kobe who decided, to hell with it, my shot’s not falling, I’m going to run the offense, your three primary offensive options decided, the hell with it, we don’t wanna get bumped if we’re not getting ticky tack fouls, like 60% of the ones that go FOR Billups. That doesn’t fall on the referees. That falls on them being overconfident and arrogant, and they got blitzed by a very capable Lakers squad. I don’t need to follow the Nuggets to watch them get up for the big games, I saw the entire game against Golden State, should I use that as an accurate measuring stick for Denver’s ability, or should I judge them by how they perform against what they know going into the game will be a worthy opponent? I think one would be a more fair assessment than the other, no?
I'm talking about the call on Anthony at the end
The one that got him fouled out for the last 2:30 of the game. The one that changed the complexion of the game. That call that anyone with half a brain realizes was absolute horseshit.
Yeah the Nuggets played horribly. That doesn’t mean I’m gonna let the refs off the hook.
Did you watch the Nuggets play the Cavs in Cleveland? That was a pretty big game and Melo dropped 40 points including the game winner in Lebron’s face. I would say that’s pretty clutch. Or you can look at the first two times the Nuggets owned you this year.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
One call
does not change this entire game. You hadn’t scored for two and a half minutes leading up to that point and had played horrendously the entire second half. If it was in the last minute of the game down by one, you could say something, but that call did not change the complexion of the game especially since Melo wasn’t having a good one.
Nuggets played horribly plus 1. Not letting the refs on the hook plus 1. Not just accepting your team sucked the second half and it wouldn’t have mattered if they got 2 less calls in the second half -1.
Cavs/Nuggets game was ridiculous, but this game wasn’t even close to how lopsided that one was.
And the previous wins by Denver weren’t all because of Melo as he didn’t even play the second one. The first one he was good, but the second he wasn’t even there so you can’t even reference that one. And should I be talking about the refs from the first game where the Nuggets had a -7 differential in foul calls and 10+ ft difference. No, the Lakers lost plain and simple, Kobe had a bad second half and they all wilted. Or maybe the second game, where an uncanny ability to hit threes came over the Nuggets as they hit on over 2/3s of their threes. You were better that night. The Lakers played better tonight. Let it go
by Marty Mart on Mar 1, 2010 1:31 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
"The Lakers played better tonight. Let it go"
You first…
Anyway, looking forward to the game in April. Both times are gonna be as hungry as ever for that one.
by Artimus Mangilord on Mar 1, 2010 2:13 PM MST up reply actions
You are the most hardcore troll I have ever seen
Eat ass is what I have to say.
most of the laker fans that are commenting on this post are not trolling, but just trying to discuss the game
your comments and some of joshw9’s comments are trolling…….
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
I think his point
was that NBA superstars don’t get a 6th foul called against them in the most crucial point of the game, especially when it was on normal contact. Do the Lakers most likely win the game no matter what? Probably, but it doesn’t make it right. Just because the Nugs looked like crap in the second half, doesn’t mean they don’t have the capability to make a comeback.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
doesn't mello foul out more than most
LA Sports is what keep me off the streets and out of trouble, thanks to all the teams Rams, Dodgers, Lakers, USC sports and the Love of Tennis.
by so.cal.native1952 on Mar 1, 2010 3:13 PM MST up reply actions
No
That’s the first time I ever remember him fouling out. It’s probably happened, but very seldom.
As for the sixth call, you haven’t seen me complain about the refs, but compare that call to Bryant’s behavior for most of the game. After he got his first technical, he did several things as bad or worse without getting a second T because the refs didn’t want to throw him out of the game.
totally agree that melo's 6th foul was bogus.
i hate when refs let the teams play throughout the entire game and then try and call it tight in the last few minutes. that totally irritates me. wish the refs hadnt of called the foul, but they did. nothing you can do about it. melo shouldnt have been wrestling with artest in the post, knowing he had 5 fouls. he should have known that artest was gonna try to get his 6th foul.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
Wrestling?
That happens virtually everytime a post-up occurs. For him to get position on the post he needs to impede Artest’s “reaching-in” arm. Since when does he get more respect than Ronnie? It was a complete joke and normally isn’t called.
"The country is full of good coaches. What it takes to win is a bunch of interested players." -Don Coryell, ex-San Diego Chargers Coach
Lots
of times you got guys going down the court, the ball is going no where near the basket, yet they stand at the line for 2 FT.
That’s silly. People aren’t doing anything yet they get points out of it. Anybody can lower their shoulder while on offense and “bounce back” the second they come in contact with a defensive player and “act” to get a foul. Some people don’t like that.
The Nets made more FT on the road than FG and won. I like the Nets I want them to win, but cmon that is silly. The ball wasn’t really going in the basket.
Unbelieveable
Where’s my coat?
It was suede with the fringe.

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