10 YEARS OF STIFFDOM: A Decade Retrospective...
Who knew that at the beginning of the '00s - with none other than Dan Issel in charge - that the Nuggets would end up having a successful and often thrilling decade? Here's a look back at the last 10 years of Denver Nuggets basketball...
At the conclusion of the 1990s, the Nuggets were in utter disarray. As documented in detail here at Denver Stiffs, this once proud and respected franchise had been turned into an NBA laughingstock thanks to a lethal combination of ineptitude, incompetence, and ignorance. Between 1990 and 1999, the Nuggets made the playoffs just twice and Nuggets fans were forced to endure seasons with win totals under 40 games eight times (including the lockout shortened 1998-99 season in which the Nuggets would likely have "won" about 25 games had an 82-game season been played out). We witnessed five seasons in which the Nuggets won less than 24 games, and in 1997-98 the 11-win Nuggets won less games than the Broncos that year.
Making matters worse throughout the 1990s, the Nuggets never caught a break. Even though they participated in eight NBA Draft lotteries, twice sported the worst record in the NBA (1990-91 and again after that infamous 1997-98 campaign) and had a bottom-four record five total times, the highest pick they were ever rewarded was third (which Issel promptly screwed up by drafting Raef LaFrentz over Vince Carter, Paul Pierce, Dirk Nowitzki and Antawn Jamison). We missed out on all the game-changing draftees of the 1990s: Shaquille O'Neal, Alonzo Mourning, Chris Webber and Tim Duncan. And a freak knee injury sustained by rising star LaPhonso Ellis in 1994 would prove to be the undoing of the Nuggets only good team of the decade: the 1993-94 squad that had just stunned the NBA world by beating the number-one seeded Seattle Supersonics in the playoffs before taking the Utah Jazz to seven in Round 2.
But make no mistake about it, the Nuggets problems throughout the 1990s were self-inflicted. Cartoonish figures such as Peter Bynoe, Bertram Lee, the Comsat "Corporation," Paul Westhead, Bernie Bickerstaff, Allan Bristow and finally, Issel, made every wrong/bad decision possible, leaving the Nuggets organization in tatters until Stanley E. Kroenke rescued the franchise in 2000 with his purchase of the team. Upon arrival, Kroenke made it clear that he wanted to win and win now, and thus set in motion a series of events that produced one of the better decades in franchise history...
2000-2001 (40-42, no playoffs)
In an increasingly tough Western Conference, the Nuggets remarkably won 40 games but were still seven games off the eighth-seeded Minnesota Timberwolves. While a 40-win season would normally be a good thing having come off a 35-win season, team "president", "head coach" and dictator Dan Issel had already mortgaged the Nuggets future by sending away numerous first round picks in order to build that 40-win team.
Non-Stiff of the Year: Antonio McDyess
Coming off a gold-medal winning performance in the Sydney Olympics, McDyess was a stud in 2000-01. The quiet, dignified power forward averaged 20.8 ppg, 12.1 rpg and 1.5 bpg and even made the All-Star team.
Stiff of the Year: Dan Issel
The aforementioned Issel had previously (and foolishly) traded away the Nuggets own first round picks for 1999, 2000 and 2001 - all lottery picks, mind you - and after an assortment of complicated, even more stupid deals, for those picks he essentially brought back Tariq Abdul-Wahad, Kevin Willis (on the very wrong side of his career), Voshon Lenard and Tracy Murray. But that was just off-the-court. On-the-court, Issel was a tyrant with his players and the refs. At one point, his players were so fed up with the way he was treating Raef LaFrentz (a draft bust of Issel's own making) and others, that point guard Nick Van Exel led a player boycott of practice.
2001-02 (27-55, no playoffs)
After years of overpaying for mediocre players and parting with valuable first round picks in exchange for nothing, the wheels finally came off the Issel Administration and the Nuggets fell apart in 2001-02, precipitated by a major knee injury to McDyess that caused him to miss all but 10 games of the season. Prior to the season starting, Kroenke - either sensing that Issel had too much power, was too incompetent or both - astutely hired Kiki Vandeweghe as GM to a five-year contract.
Non-Stiff of the Year: Kiki Vandeweghe
After Issel "resigned" the day after Christmas (more on that shortly), Vandeweghe gutted out the roster and made a controversial move that would put the Nuggets on the path of success they still enjoy today. Knowing the Nuggets were going nowhere with the expensive roster he inherited, Vandeweghe boldly shipped out Van Exel, LaFrentz, Abdul-Wahad and Avery Johnson (another overpayee thanks to Issel) to Dallas in exchange for Juwan Howard, Tim Hardaway, Donnell Harvey and a future first round pick. When the Nuggets eventually met the Mavericks in the 2009 playoffs second round, I detailed how that major trade actually brought the two once dormant franchises together.
Stiff of the Year: Dan Issel
"Go drink another beer, you Mexican piece of shit!" Those nine words - uttered by Issel towards a heckling Hispanic Nuggets fan after a December 10th loss to the Charlotte Hornets - were exactly what Kroenke and Vandeweghe needed to kick Issel out the door. Issel, a Nuggets legend as a player, had built up so much great PR in the community (he still has some...note Woody Paige's ludicrous suggestion that the Nuggets bring Issel back to the organization last year) that he would have been tough to fire otherwise. After serving a four-game suspension, Issel "resigned" on December 26th, 2001 and unfortunately for Issel, things haven't exactly worked out for him since.
Stiff of the Year Runner-Up: Tim Hardaway
Unlike Howard who - knowing playing in Denver would be a brutal, losing situation - accepted the trade to the Nuggets and behaved like a total professional during his time here (it helps when you're getting paid $18.8 and then $20.1 million per season!), Hardaway was a petulant, angry brat who never got over leaving Dallas where he was hoping to gravy train his way into an NBA Championship. After starting 14 games for the Nuggets, Hardaway unleashed his anger on a TV monitor by throwing it onto the floor and getting himself suspended two games.
2002-03 (17-65, no playoffs)
Entering the 2002-03 NBA season, Vandeweghe purposefully compiled the worst roster in modern NBA history in hopes of tanking enough games to win the first pick in the draft (knowing that on the horizon was one of the better drafts in NBA history). The Nuggets starting back court of Vincent Yarbrough and Junior Harrington couldn't crack a 14-man roster the following season, and the rest of the roster was littered with names you already don't remember. Armed with two lottery picks - thanks to a great trade that sent McDyess to New York in exchange for Marcus Camby and the Knicks lottery pick - Vandeweghe drafted Nene and some skinny kid from Georgia, and I'm not talking about the university (more on him shortly).
Non-Stiff of the Year: Jeff Bzdelik
In spite of being dealt the worst hand ever dealt a coach in modern NBA history, rookie head coach Jeff Bzdelik refused to make excuses, worked his ass off and was able to get 17 wins out of our Nuggets. I'd argue that was 17 more wins than they should have had and Bzdelik should have gotten Coach of the Year consideration. The Nuggets were awful talent-wise, but they played harder than their opponent almost every night.
Stiff of the Year: Nikoloz Tskitishvili
Drafted fifth overall out of the Republic of Georgia, "Skita" has since gone down in history as the worst fifth overall pick of all time (and believe me, there have been some bad fifth overall picks). Given ample opportunity to succeed in his first season, Skita - listed at seven-feet tall - shot 29.3% from the field as a rookie. At a game in Los Angeles against the Lakers, I once saw Skita shoot a wide open shot in which the ball hit the shot clock first before getting anywhere near the backboard or rim.
2003-04 (43-39, 1-4 in the playoffs)
A full 10 years after upsetting the Sonics in the playoffs, the Nuggets finally got their act together and Coloradoans cared about basketball again. Unable to shake the Nuggets streak of bad luck with the Draft Lottery, Vandeweghe got lucky nonetheless thanks to Detroit GM Joe Dumars' stupidly drafting Darko Milicic (i.e. Skita 2.0), leaving Syracuse star/stud Carmelo Anthony available with the third overall pick. And with Howard's giant contract coming off the books, Vandeweghe was finally able to spend Kroenke's money. Free agent signees Andre Miller, Jon Barry and Earl Boykins joined Melo, Nene and a healthy Camby. Under Bzdelik's stewardship, the Nuggets won 43 games and put up a respectable fight against the Timberwolves in the playoffs first round. As fans, we were happy just to be in the playoffs!
Non-Stiff of the Year: Carmelo Anthony
For the first time since Alex English last donned a rainbow jersey, the Nuggets had a perennial All-Star caliber player in Melo. As a rookie, Melo averaged 21 ppg and 6.1 rpg while giving fellow rookie phenom LeBron James a run for the Rookie of the Year Award. But more importantly, Melo led the Nuggets back to the postseason in a hyper-competitive Western Conference, whereas LBJ couldn't do the same in Cleveland in the weakened Eastern Conference.
Stiff of the Year: Rodney White
Playing for his next contract after his rookie deal was due to expire in two seasons, White gave the Nuggets next-to-nothing in 2003-04 even though he appeared in 72 games and received 14 minutes of playing time per game. Just a few years removed from being the ninth overall pick to Detroit (ahem...Joe Dumars again), White would be out of the NBA completely after the 2004-05 campaign. But hey, at least he was nominated for the Denver Stiffs Hall of Fame!
2004-05 (49-33, 1-4 in the playoffs)
Wanting to build upon the Nuggets newly found success (and at Kroenke's alleged insistence), Vandeweghe spent the entire 2004 offseason shopping for a big name free agent to bring to Denver. After being turned down by Manu Ginobili and Brad Miller, Vandeweghe panicked and got duped into sending three number one picks to New Jersey for Kenyon Martin in a sign-and-trade deal. K-Mart's price tag? $90 million over seven seasons. Under immense pressure to win more games, Bzdelik and the Nuggets floundered out of the gate, starting out 13-15 before Bzdelik got sacked and replaced by a former WNBA coach (Michael Cooper) who went 4-10 as coach of the team.
Non-Stiff of the Year: George Karl
Inheriting a 17-25 team loaded with talent but without any direction and big egos to boot, Karl's no-nonsense, "my way or the highway" approach immediately turned the Nuggets fortunes around. With only 40 games to work with, Karl guided the Nuggets to a 32-8 record (the best in NBA history after a mid-season coaching switch) and had the Nuggets playing the best basketball in the NBA down the stretch of the regular season.
Stiff of the Year: Kiki Vandeweghe
By acquiring K-Mart, Vandeweghe essentially panicked while throwing away all of the salary cap flexibility he had worked so hard and smartly to cultivate. But worse than that, Vandeweghe was eerily silent while Bzdelik was left to twist in the wind as the Nuggets struggled early in the season. Vandeweghe never publicly defended the one man willing to coach the dreadful 2002-03 roster that Vandeweghe had assembled, and Kiki made matters worse by bringing in Cooper to take over as head coach. The Cooper hire cost the Nuggets a higher playoff seed.
Stiff of the Year Runner-Up: Carmelo Anthony
Melo couldn't stay out of trouble in 2004. First, he was cited for marijuana possession at DIA that his cousin conveniently took the blame for (the old "that wasn't my pot!" excuse). Second, he feuded with Olympic coach Larry Brown in Athens and found himself benched on the 2004 Team USA that embarrassingly finished with a bronze medal. Third - and perhaps the worst/dumbest - Melo was caught on a "Stop Snitching" DVD in which alleged drug dealers explain what happens to people who cooperate with the police. Melo didn't improve much on the floor, either, and found himself (rightfully) in Karl's doghouse early and often.
2005-06 (44-38, 1-4 in the playoffs)
Unable to build off the team's incredible run under Karl to conclude the previous season, injuries ravaged the Nuggets and they limped their way to a 44-38 record. K-Mart and Camby missed 26 games apiece and most tragically, Nene succumbed to the Nuggets power forward curse and was lost for the season with an ACL and MCL tear after just one game. At the time, the Nuggets marketing and PR team spun the season as as success under the guise of "Northwest Division Champs" and that the Nuggets were a three-seed entering the postseason. But this was before the NBA properly seeded division winners who have mediocre records. The Nuggets were such a weak three-seed, that the Clippers purposely tanked games to face them in the first round...and when they got their wish, the Clippers clocked the Nuggets in five games. Oh, and that was the Clippers only playoff series win since becoming the Clippers in 1978. Overall, the season was a mess from from the top down (as chronicled in detail at the time by the Denver Post's Thomas George). Vandeweghe would be let go at season's end and was replaced by Mark Warkentien (and eventually Rex Chapman, too). Dysfunction, egos and injuries had set the Nuggets back a few steps.
Non-Stiff of the Year: (tie) Carmelo Anthony and Andre Miller
Melo and Miller played in 80 and 82 games, respectively, and carried the Nuggets in 2005-06. Melo improved his scoring average by over six points per game and his field goal percentage went up, as well. Miller - the modern day NBA "iron man" even if he doesn't condition well in the offseason - was a steady hand as always, starting in all 82 games and dishing out over eight assists per game.
Stiff of the Year: Kenyon Martin
Recovering from microfracture surgery and frustrated by knee tendinitis, K-Mart was pretty surly for much of the season and was morphing into a locker room cancer. He allegedly didn't get along with coaches or teammates (according to George's article, K-Mart's teammates questioned his commitment to recovery and work ethic) and it all came to an ugly head during halftime of Game 2 at Los Angeles, when K-Mart went at it with Karl and several teammates. K-Mart was benched for the remainder of the game and eventually suspended for the duration of the series.
Stiff of the Year Runner-Up: Reggie Evans
As perhaps a microcosm of the dysfunction and lack of respect for the game that was taking over the Nuggets, "The Joker" grabbed Clippers center Chris Kaman's testicles while fighting for a rebound during Game 1 of the Clippers series.
2006-07 (45-37, 1-4 in the playoffs)
In spite of it being K-Mart's turn to succumb to the Nuggets power forward curse (he would play just two games all season) and losing their first three straight games by a total of five points, the Nuggets would win 12 of their first 21 games with Melo playing the best basketball of his career. That all changed abruptly on Saturday, December 16th, 2006. In New York facing the Knicks (who had embarrassingly beaten the Nuggets in Denver in Game 3 of the season), the Nuggets found themselves up 19 with 75 seconds to go. Karl - alleged by some to want to rub the victory in Knicks coach Isiah Thomas' face (Thomas had recently sandbagged Karl's good friend Larry Brown) - left his starters on the floor, prompting Thomas to send in his "goon squad" and make the Nuggets pay. What began as a hard, unnecessary, dangerous, around-the-neck foul on J.R. Smith by the Knicks' Mardy Collins erupted into a full-scale brawl...culminating with Melo's cheap shot punch on Collins. Melo would be suspended 15 games and Smith 10, prompting Nuggets management to attempt to salvage the season by bringing in super star guard Allen Iverson from Philadelphia in exchange for Miller, Joe Smith and two first round picks. Little did we know that the fun was just beginning.
Non-Stiff of the Year: Allen Iverson
Welcomed with open arms by Nuggets fans and his new teammates, Iverson made an immediate impact on the Nuggets (on and off the floor, in good ways and bad). But with Melo out 15 games, Iverson was able to keep the Nuggets afloat and competitive almost by himself. When Melo and Iverson finally got to play together for a long stretch, the Nuggets reeled off nine straight wins and 10 of 11 to finish out the season strong as the hottest team in the NBA.
Stiff of the Year: Isiah Thomas
In addition to sinking the Raptors as an incompetent vice president, sinking the CBA in a summer as an incompetent commissioner and sinking the Knicks as an incompetent president/coach/alleged sexual harrasser (hell, Isiah was an incompetent broadcaster, too), Isiah would sink the Nuggets season in one fell swoop by commandeering his players to take out the Nuggets starters in that game.
Stiff of the Year Runner-Up: (tie) Carmelo Anthony and J.R. Smith
Even though Isiah "started it," Melo and J.R. were unable to keep their heads cool and unnecessarily exacerbated an already ugly situation, ruining the Nuggets entire season as a result.
2007-08 (50-32, 0-4 in the playoffs)
Entering 2007-08, the Nuggets would finally have a training camp with their full roster participating from the get-go. With Melo and Iverson having ample time to play together, optimism in Denver was higher than it had been since entering the 2004-05 campaign. So high was the optimism, in fact, that Kroenke had over $83 million invested in the team's payroll (second or third highest in the league at the time) and Melo and K-Mart started floating out "60 wins" as a realistic goal. But even with Iverson appearing in all 82 games, Camby playing 79, Melo 77, K-Mart 71 and vast improvements seen in the games of bench players J.R. Smith and Linas Kleiza, the Nuggets weren't able to secure a playoff spot (an eighth seed no less) until the 79th game of the season with a big win at Golden State. As an eighth seed, the Nuggets got worked over by the Lakers in an embarrassing four-game sweep: a series which saw Melo bark at Karl "don't just sit there!" and the benching of Iverson early in Game 3 that didn't go over well. Prior to the Nuggets final regular season game, Melo would get arrested on suspicion of a DUI. It became evident that the A.I. experiment was an expensive failure.
Non-Stiff of the Year: Nene
After being diagnosed with testicular cancer and undergoing surgery to remove his right testicle, Nene remarkably returned to play again on March 27th against the Mavericks, giving the Nuggets a much needed emotional boost that helped them secure a playoff spot down the stretch.
Stiff of the Year: George Karl
Stuck in an admittedly tumultuous and difficult situation, Karl spent much of the 2007-08 sitting on his hands during games while the Nuggets unraveled on the court. While the Nuggets head coach got called for just one technical foul all season (second to last in the NBA), his players finished in the top two in personal fouls, technical fouls, flagrant fouls and ejections. The inmates were running the asylum as Karl's coaching record in Denver got extended to a paltry 3-16 over four years. Karl would later admit to SI.com that "...the last couple of years, I was confused." Watching Karl's Nuggets routinely take nights off that season, so were we.
2008-09 (54-28, 10-6 in the playoffs)
Disappointed with his lack of return on investment, Kroenke gave an edict to management to slash payroll during the 2008 offseason. Camby would be shipped out to the Clippers in exchange for a trade exception, coach and fan favorite Eduardo Najera would not be re-signed, Iverson's contract wouldn't be extended and things were looking grim entering the 2008-09 campaign. But what loomed as a disaster instead became a season of reformation and rejuvenation. Karl came into training camp as "Fiery George" again, Melo won a gold medal with Team USA and learned a thing or two from Kobe Bryant on what an NBA work ethic really is and K-Mart, fully healthy, came into camp with an apology to his coach and teammates and a vow to work harder and play better. With former NBA castaways Chris "Birdman" Andersen and Dahntay Jones added for next-to-nothing (by NBA salary standards) and Nene in real basketball shape for the first time ever, the Nuggets were quietly confident that they had a special season on their hands.
The lone chink in the Nuggets newfound armor would be Iverson who, upset by not receiving a contract extension, showed up to camp out of shape and several steps slow. Remarkably, Nuggets management was able to pull off one of the great trades in Nuggets history by shipping Iverson to Detroit for Chauncey Billups. By adding Billups to a roster primed to take off, the Nuggets would shock the basketball world by tying a franchise record with 54 wins and going toe-to-toe with the Lakers in the Western Conference Finals. Simply put, it was the greatest full season of Nuggets basketball since the 1984-85 Nuggets made it to the conference finals and hopefully a sign of more good things to come in the decade ahead.
Non-Stiff of the Year: Chauncey Billups
The Denver-born Billups - who had been cast off by Issel years earlier without ever given a fair hearing as a Nugget - immediately proved to be the perfect leader for the Nuggets. Coming off six consecutive conference finals appearances with the Pistons, Billups would make it seven when he led the Nuggets there.
Non-Stiff of the Year Runner-Up: (tie) Nuggets Management and George Karl
After years of placing talent over character, the Nuggets GM "troika" of Warkentien, Chapman and team adviser Bret Bearup had assembled a roster stocked with good character guys and also deserve credit for not panicking after the 2008 playoff debacle. Warkentien would be rewarded with the NBA's Executive of the Year Award, but it should have been shared by all three guys. Karl, meanwhile, turned in one of his finest performances as an NBA head coach while bridging whatever gap had existed between him and his mercurial stars Melo, J.R. and K-Mart.
Stiff of the Year: Allen Iverson
The NBA will soon be announcing their "All Decade Team" and it will be fascinating to see if A.I. makes the squad. One of the greatest players of the decade, Iverson ultimately proved to be a bad fit for the Nuggets and a bad influence on Melo and J.R. This became painfully clear when the Pistons imploded after bringing Iverson on board in exchange for Billups.
Overall, the '00s were a great decade for Nuggets basketball: six straight playoff appearances, two 50-plus win seasons, All-Star players and thrilling performances (how many game-tying and game-winning shots has Melo made?!). And while it would have been nice to see a few more playoff series victories prior to last season, the memories of the Bickerstaff and Issel Administrations are still prominent enough for me to appreciate what's been going on recently.
Fortunately for Nuggets fans, four of our best players - Melo, J.R., Nene and rookie Ty Lawson - still have many seasons ahead of them and hopefully will remain in a Nuggets uniform into the next decade. At the very least, we're guaranteed that the new decade starts out reasonably well and it will be fascinating to see where this franchise is standing in 2020.
Thanks for the memories and Go Nuggets!!
Photos courtesy of AP and NBAE/Getty Images
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stan kroenke
there can never be a better owner in pro sports. you can keep jerry jones and mark cuban. denver has pro basketball for one reason only-stan the man. colorado does not have a better corporate citizen. the impact one person has made within the past ten years will last for generations to come.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
Brain washed
Kroenke is a business man interested only in $$$$$$$$$$. Camby is an illustration
Kroenke might just be money of the organization
But he’s brought in smart front office employees and has been relatively hands off with the team. I read someone’s personal anecdote on another website in which they had a lengthy discussion with Kroenke and he genuinely seemed to enjoy talking about basketball. Specifically he mentioned thinking UNC would go on to win it all (this was Lawson’s team last year, and they did) and he admitted remorse that the AI situation didn’t work out better as he was a fan. Like nohoops said, I’d take Kroenke over Cuban.
Bleed Blue and Gold
by MileHighMonsters on Dec 13, 2009 11:17 PM MST up reply actions
lMAO
This town would have basketball regardless. Someone would fill the void if Stan decided to sell. If you had the money wouldn’t you buy the Nuggets? Thought so.
I’m quite sure that there are Dallas Fans who are as passionate about MC as you guys are about Stan.
Why is Cuban any different from Stan in running his team? Is Cuban so awful because he’s hands on and is a rebel?
One thing can be said for Cuban, he opened his wallet and spent money beefing up his team. Did Stan?
Look who is tied with the Nuggets in the standings
Fair enough
I guess I was considering the idea that Cuban tends to overspend on players and that tends to bite them in the ass. Also I really can’t stand when he picks feuds with players and teams because I feel like that almost overshadows whatever the team is doing. But I agree that it would be nice to have an owner who proactively addressed the teams strengths and weaknesses seasons in and out. It’s just hard to see all the good he’s done for the Mavs when you look at all his negative press every year.
Bleed Blue and Gold
by MileHighMonsters on Dec 14, 2009 3:59 PM MST up reply actions
I agree.
I think Cuban has been great for basketball in terms of being hands on. But I also applaud him for constantly spending money. he realizes that in order to win a championship, you HAVE to go over the salary cap. I wish Kroenke would too.
when kroenke bought the nuggets
there were 2 other deals that fell through. one that did not go was a bid by bill and nancy laurie. mayor webb wanted them to sign an agreement not to move the teams for 25 years. nancy laurie is the sister in law of stan kroenke. kroenke was part of the ownership group that brought the la rams to st. louis. the hawks used to be in st. louis and the city wanted the nba to return. kroenke put 420 million down for the pepsi center, hockey and basketball teams. he put millions more into the arena and teams. cuban owns the mavericks. he has no interest in the arena or other teams. kroenke opened his check book early and often. the result was a first round loss in the playoffs. dallas got to the finals one time and lost with first year coach avery johnson. he was fired because the players whined about his coaching methods. the money cuban has put up does not compare with the money kroenke has spent. kroenke stepped up, took a huge risk, committed for 25 years on a business that was losing money when others walked away. for all the money cuban has spent he went to the finals one time and lost. right now dallas has the same record as denver. cuban is a one trick pony and a grandstander.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
Cuban
is a one trick pony and a grandstander with a boat load of $$$$$$$$$$$
Samdman pick an owner
and stick with him. lol
Bleed Blue and Gold
by MileHighMonsters on Dec 14, 2009 9:41 PM MST up reply actions
Whoa
Are you Stan Kroenke?
by SternfluffsKobe on Dec 14, 2009 11:10 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Rodney White
Almost forgot about that guy, what a stiff. Skita is the damn truth and I’m down with him for life. We should have got Amare though. Still, do your damn thing Skita. Best worst player ever.
LOL!!!
“At a game in Los Angeles against the Lakers, I once saw Skita shoot a wide open shot in which the ball hit the shot clock first before getting anywhere near the backboard or rim.”
That is so funny.
+1
I cracked up at that, it’s almost too ridiculous to imagine!
by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 13, 2009 5:10 PM MST up reply actions
03-04 draft in retrospect
I believe this is the most underrated single occurrence of the last ten years. Without the third pick in the draft, the Nugs would still be stuck in the 90s. The Nuggets were incredibly lucky that Dumars selected Milicic. Vandaweghe was OBSESSED with finding the next Nowitski after his time in Dallas (which was clear with his selection of Skita). He had made it quite clear that he wanted Milicic in Denver. If Dumars had selected Melo, we would not have ended up with Wade, Bosh, or any of the other studs in the draft, we would have been looking at a foundation of Skita and Milicic. In fact, if the Nuggets had ended up with the second pick, Vandewegh would have done exactly what Dumars did. Bye bye decade of playoffs. Denver fans owe so much to Joe Dumars over the last 10 years. Without his decisions, we fans would be relating to the futility that Clippers fans have grown accustomed to.
+1
That move single handily saved our franchise, then to follow it up Dumars pulls the Chauncey trade last year.
by GoldenNugget on Dec 14, 2009 12:24 AM MST up reply actions
A couple of miscues
Marcus Camby won Defensive Player of the Year after the 06-07 season not 07-08. Even more remarkable considering that wasted defenseless season.
Rodney White was actually with Denver during the first half of the 2004-05 campaign and was traded away to Golden State with Skita in the Eduardo Najera trade right before the trade deadline in late February of 2005 after Karl joined the team.
...and this is why I need an editor...
Great catches! Believe it or not, I spent hours on this column and yet somehow screwed up those two facts. Fixes made and many thanks…
Andrew Feinstein | DenverStiffs.com | denverstiffs@gmail.com
by Andrew Feinstein on Dec 13, 2009 8:28 PM MST up reply actions
This was a very interesting read, easily overlooked and not a huge deal. And apparently I need an editor too after that enormous run-on sentence.
I had no idea Dan Issel filed for bankruptcy. How the mighty have fallen. I always like Issel, but I felt like he could never control his short fuse even back in the early 90’s as coach. I imagine he was venting his stressful situation after putting together a very mediocre team back then. He didn’t have Bernie Bickerstaff to blame and so he blamed it on the drunk hispanic guy at the Nuggets game 8 years ago (It’s been that long?).
great read
Man we’ve came along way. I will agree with the other comments on here and say the #1 non stiff of the decade for the Nuggets…Joe Dumars. Thanks for Melo and Chauncey JOE! Hope AI and Darko are working out for you in Detroit
roxanna...come out an play....ay...ay

"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 14, 2009 12:33 AM MST reply actions
Are you sure he/she is a nuggets fan?
I’ve never seen a Roxanna on this blog …
Neither have I.
Lots of people hate the Lakers…
Bleed Blue and Gold
by MileHighMonsters on Dec 14, 2009 4:20 AM MST up reply actions
yes'm she is. I clicked on her name
she spends time over here..
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 14, 2009 10:02 AM MST up reply actions
That's pretty funny
Love that movie. You’re spending a lot of time over here these days… Perhaps a name change is in order? Might I suggest, POWDER BLUE AND GOLD FOR LIFE? Come back from the dark side, dude.
by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 14, 2009 9:05 AM MST up reply actions
that movie is awesome.
that is a funny suggestion about the name change. I just like to hear what Nuggets, Jazz and Celtics fans think.
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 14, 2009 10:03 AM MST up reply actions
I've seen Roxanna post here too
But from her comments I got the impression she was a closet laker fan. Her comments weren’t pro LA just anti Denver. Maybe I misread them or something, that happens from time to time when reading opinions in print.
PS I have to continually hide that game from my 7 year old nephew.
by Joelsopinion on Dec 14, 2009 11:08 AM MST up reply actions
Defenitely not Lakers fan. This was her last post and she is now MIA
It’s interesting to me that I couldn’t look anywhere online or on ESPN or anywhere else without seeing some mention of the Laker’s win streak (since the streak was at about 7 or so) and yet had to look it up to see that Boston had a win streak almost as long going. Of course, the Lakers’ streak was one game longer as of today, but they played a whopping ONE road game in that streak, and it was in Golden State which is hardly far enough to count. Boston’s 10 game streak has had 7 on the road, yet no one ever mentioned it. Strange.
Anyway, I’d love it if Kobe kept playing and hurt his finger even worse as a result of his arrogance. His team is good enough to play without him if he isn’t 100%, and he disrespects his team by taking 24 shots when he’s clearly having a bad night. He could’ve played and just passed a lot, but instead he chose to be a ballhog and take 24 shots. I’d love to see his arrogance and lack of trust in his team bring him further harm.
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 14, 2009 1:03 PM MST up reply actions
btw
that first paragraph is also hers.
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 14, 2009 1:04 PM MST up reply actions
Speaking of road games
I changed the subject cuz I can’t speak on Roxanna and her posts.
Anyways the Lake Show did catch a favorable schedule for the first 21 games no doubting that. What people miss I think is that LA will have to play 41 road games just like everybody else and the bulk of theirs comes later on. Do you think those multiple road trips on the horizon will be a challenge for your boys? They have a hellacious schedule from the end of January through most of March. That might be a factor when the post season comes up.
by Joelsopinion on Dec 14, 2009 2:17 PM MST up reply actions
Something I was wondering about elsewhere
There are 2 games for the Lakers listed as “road” games in early 2010 where the “home” team is the Clippers.
Do the Lakers in fact get to play 43 games at Staples this regular season?
by ParkHillNative on Dec 14, 2009 2:23 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, but the same can be said of the Clips
It sucks, but if Denver had two teams the Nuggets would be in the same situation.
by Joelsopinion on Dec 14, 2009 2:28 PM MST up reply actions
percentages
I wonder for those two “road” games against the Clippers what percentage of the crowd will actually be rooting for the “home” team.
I would venture to say, it’s at least a slight disadvantage for the Clippers to have two of their home games be against the Lakers, when I would assume that 90% of the crowd will be rooting for the Lakers.
by ParkHillNative on Dec 15, 2009 11:05 AM MST up reply actions
One last point
If the their is a two game difference between the Nuggets and the Lakers for the 1st seed, I will scream shenanigans until I’m blue in the face. I’m pretty brown so that will be a lot of screaming.
by Joelsopinion on Dec 14, 2009 2:30 PM MST up reply actions
believe it or not
those are home games but Clipper fans hate the Lakers more or just as much as any other fans. I almost got my butt kicked at a party cause it was full of Clipper fans and I had been drinking and I started spouting off at the mouth. I almost got carried out of there like Paul Pierce did n the finals..

"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 14, 2009 2:59 PM MST up reply actions
Pierce is phony not the "Truth"
If there is one thing I can agree on with a Laker fan it’s that Paul Pierce is a phony. I’ve never seen anyone pull that crap. “Oh my leg, carry me boys…I’m back let’s win!” He’s a chump and I can say that cuz I met the guy and acted like a chump.
by Joelsopinion on Dec 14, 2009 3:12 PM MST up reply actions
yup and he's from South Central
he’s supposed to be tough. I can’t stand that guy. But I hate KG even more. Anyone on that team can suck it.
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 14, 2009 4:50 PM MST up reply actions
yup doubt she will be back
Yes it was favorable and that is the same thing that I have said. But not only that, the thing that I don’t agree with is that there are 7-8 teams whose schedule shoudn’t matter. If any team that feels they should be a Champion should not complain about their schedule. That team that considers itself a contender should not worry whether they are playing at home or away. A Championship caliber team should be able to win anywhere. Those teams that shouldn’t complain are:
Lakers
Nuggets
Spurs
Magic
Calfs
and that other Eastern team
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 14, 2009 2:56 PM MST up reply actions
True, but
There is no doubting what long road trips and fatigue can do to a team. Scheduling does matter, esp in back 2 back games. That’s a killer. True these guys are world class athletes, still B2B games test out a teams endurance and shows how much they’ve practiced.
by Joelsopinion on Dec 14, 2009 3:16 PM MST up reply actions
I agree those B2B's and the road trips do have an effect on players
no doubt.
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 14, 2009 4:51 PM MST up reply actions
Just curious
I was reading a conversation between two Nugs fans up above and I was pretty surprised at the topics of their discussion. Do you guys normally have conversations about race, ethinicity and being homophobic? That is a first for me on SB Nation to see that type of convo.
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 14, 2009 5:45 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah it can pop off sometimes
The best thing I found is to stay the hell out of it. Subjects like that are better resolved face 2 face IMO. Too many things get lost in translation online.
by Joelsopinion on Dec 14, 2009 6:07 PM MST up reply actions
daaam!
that is crazy. I agree about staying out of it. btw..I have posted on the Suns site and at first they disliked me just because of my PIC and my team without even seeing that I came in peace. So thnx for the convo. I pasted the same pic on Phoenix after they seen that I didn’t mean them no harm.
“Can’t we all just get along?”

"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess" - Kobe
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Dec 14, 2009 6:13 PM MST up reply actions
Awesome Read
Some quotes I got a chuckle out of…
“As perhaps a microcosm of the dysfunction and lack of respect for the game that was taking over the Nuggets, “The Joker” grabbed Clippers center Chris Kaman’s testicles while fighting for a rebound during Game 1 of the Clippers series."
Me and my friends were watching a game with Reggie Evans a couple years ago (after he left the Nuggets) and couldn’t stop laughing at the guy. He reminds me of the token kid with A.D.H.D. on your youth rec-league team who just happened to grow ten more inches than anyone else, and thus rode his freakish hyper-activeness to the NBA.
“Entering the 2002-03 NBA season, Vandeweghe purposefully compiled the worst roster in modern NBA history in hopes of tanking enough games to win the first pick in the draft (knowing that on the horizon was one of the better drafts in NBA history).”
Kind of funny how the NBA likes to ignore this trend, yet it happens all the time. Luckily for Kiki, he played his cards the right way and did it when one of the best drafts in NBA history was lingering on the horizon. I think this move makes makes up for the K-Mart signing if you ask me.
Very Good Post
Enjoyed it Andrew. Brought back a lot of memories, both good and bad. One of my favorite has to be when the Nuggets beat GK’s Sonics. Good times.
I think Bernie Bickerstaff got off a little easy in the article. Personally, he set the franchise back about 5 years with his coaching/management decistions. The Bobcats are still trying to get out from underneath the destruction he layed there.
About Bernie...
I’ve never been one to go easy on Bernie. Read this: http://www.denverstiffs.com/2008/03/breaking-down-bernie-bickerstaff.html
It’s just that Bernie was gone in 1997, giving Issel plenty of time to right the ship as the ‘00s began, so I didn’t think the Bernie Era was all that relevant to this decade. But yes, Bernie is/was/always will be a fraud. Just look at how well the Bulls are doing with him on the coaching staff!
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by Andrew Feinstein on Dec 14, 2009 11:29 AM MST up reply actions
Still
I feel that he should be booed every morning, lest he forgets where he stands. I don’t want his family to have to endure that though. Maybe he should write “boo” on a piece of paper and carry it with him at all times, that way he never forgets how Denver feels about him.
by Joelsopinion on Dec 14, 2009 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
yes
That’s hilarious. It truly would show how Nuggets fans feel about him, always.
by CSprings_Tommy on Dec 14, 2009 3:42 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, wow
It’s fun looking back over the last decade, all right. Forgive me if I’m repeating myself here, but: Back in July of ‘99 I started dating the woman who is now my wife, so she’s seen me groan & cheer through all the ups & downs detailed above. She likes going to baseball games now & then but is otherwise not a sportsfan.
During the playoffs last season, especially during the first two rounds, she said to me “After all these years, I finally understand a little something about why you follow this team. They’re actually making you happy!”
As much as anything, looking back like this really brings up all the mixed feelings I’ve always had about Melo. He most certainly has turned the team around from where they were before, and his off-court behavior definitely seems more mature now, but the lack of commitment to playing good defense continues to be a problem.
by ParkHillNative on Dec 14, 2009 11:26 AM MST reply actions
I know how you feel
But god am I grateful for Melo bringing this team out of the dark ages. If Kiki would’ve landed Darko like he wanted, we still be in the (pardon the bad pun) the darko ages.
by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 14, 2009 11:41 AM MST up reply actions
agreed
I shudder at the thought of Darko.
by ParkHillNative on Dec 14, 2009 12:12 PM MST up reply actions
When the Nuggets traded Rodney Rogers for McDyess on draft night was it already known that LaPhonso would be missing that season with a leg injury?
McDyess was "Fonz insurance"...
Fonz suffered a major knee injury (ACL tear I think) in the fall of 1994 which single handedly ruined the 1994-95 season. Even though Fonz was due to come back for the 1995-96 campaign, the Nuggets didn’t want to take any chances and shipped Brian Williams, Rodney Rogers and their draft pick – Brent Barry – to the Clippers for McDyess. Fonz and McDyess actually played in over 40 games together, including the thrilling victory over the Bulls that snapped the 72-win Bulls (I think) 17-game winning streak. Here’s the box score for that game…
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199602040DEN.html
McDyess and Fonz were super close off the court, too. And ironically, when the Nuggets brought back McDyess for the lockout-shortened 1998-99 season, it was at the expense of re-signing Fonz.
Like many of you, Fonz was my all-time favorite Nugget.
Andrew Feinstein | DenverStiffs.com | denverstiffs@gmail.com
by Andrew Feinstein on Dec 14, 2009 12:40 PM MST up reply actions
I really liked Fonz too, but I grew up with Byron Beck, Ralph Simpson, Warren Jabali and later David Thompson and Alex English so it’s hard for me to call him my favorite Nugget.
"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!" ...Homer Simpson
My family moved to Colorado around 1990
I would kill to have seen David Thompson play in person.
by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 14, 2009 3:31 PM MST up reply actions
It was quite an experience. Other guys might have a similar vertical leap these days, but it just isn’t like Thompson. He could just stand there and suddenly be four feet in the air without hardly gathering himself for the jump.
Michael Jordan never seemed like such a big deal to me since I saw David Thompson and Dr. J in their prime.Dr. J was on the down side of his career by the time he got to the NBA. It’s too bad Thompson was taken down by “friends” with drugs. One of the nice things about Thompson in the ABA, it made Red Auerbach furious; he hated the ABA.
"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!" ...Homer Simpson
I remember the Bulls-Nuggets game
It was on TNT and I was living in Cincinnati and as you may have guessed, I was probably one of few people rooting for the Nuggets. This was really the passing of the torch for me because I was always a bulls fan as well – i was young and admired jordan who didnt’. I liked the Nuggies as well, but when they beat the Bulls, I stopped liking the Bulls. I remember Ellis in that game – sure 15 points wasn’t much but the way I remember it…it’s as if he just came in off the bench and straight dominated. I don’t know if it was really like that or not. Man good memories.
On a side note, I despised Dale Ellis – not that I have to like all people named Ellis, I just did not like the guy. i viewed his coming to the team as kind of the beginning of the end for that Nuggets squad.
just thinking about the team of Mutombo, McDyess, Ellis, Pack, Jalen Rose and Abdul-Rauf…makes one wonder how that team wasn’t competing for championships for years to come. why were they disbanded so quickly? I remember Pack was traded for like Ledel Eckels or something but I don’t know why and I was very young when it happened.
If you want to know...
…why they were disbanded so quickly, read this: http://www.denverstiffs.com/2008/03/breaking-down-bernie-bickerstaff.html
Andrew Feinstein | DenverStiffs.com | denverstiffs@gmail.com
by Andrew Feinstein on Dec 15, 2009 11:50 AM MST up reply actions

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