Nuggets at Grizzlies recap: Nuggets locate their spine in loss
by Jeffrey Morton on Feb 17, 2012 9:17 PM MST
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Although this game for most observers may go down as a miraculous put back from a Rudy Gay miss by the Grizzlies' Dante Cunningham. The Nuggets may have found something more important. Their collective spine.
Nuggets lose 103-102 in Memphis.
With about 10 minutes left in the third quarter the Nuggets were down by 23 points and were playing like they were dead men walking. A funny thing happened though. Corey Brewer , who hadn't scored the entire first half starting hitting three-point shots like he was was standing at the Pop-a-Shot at Dave & Busters, he finished with 26 points ... all in the second half. Three consecutive three's later and the Nuggets were suddenly within 14 points.
The rest was - well - almost history.
They key, along with Brewer was the lineup of Chris Andersen and Kenneth Faried in the Nuggets' front court. The energy they provided (going after every rebound, intimidating attempted lay-ups, getting inside) was contagious for the rest of the team. Ty Lawson was suddenly playing better. Andre Miller was suddenly playing with more fire. Even Rudy Fernandez, who had a bad game overall, was going for steals and pushing the Grizzlies back court.
Birdman, who most likely learned he was on the trading block today, came in and continued his recent good play. While his 7 points and 7 rebounds stat line doesn't leap out at you ... one can see if they watched the game that Bird was flying everywhere, attempting to block every lay-up and being the Birdman of old. While Marc Gasol did have a bit of his way with him, Gasol actually had far less points and assists with Bird guarding him than he did before. Gasol finished with 16 points, 10 of which were in the first half.
Manimal rewarded Coach George Karl and his sudden faith in him by scoring 18 points and pulling down 10 rebounds. He was everywhere. Going after every offensive rebound and looking to score. Which is a change from what we have seen in the past from him. This energy was felt by everyone and the Nuggets fed off that. With Faried and Bird in there the Nuggets cut a 10 fourth quarter deficit down and even took the lead a couple times. It was great to see.
Unfortunately, with the great news about Faried comes the bad news. Dante Cunningham was Faried's man ... and Manimal didn't adequately block him out on that final, ill-fated, shot attempt by Rudy Gay. Cunningham leaped in the air and tipped the ball in with 0.2 seconds remaining. Sealing the Nuggets' fate in this game. One hopes that Manimal will learn from this mistake, and take the positives from this game and hold his head high. He proved tonight he has a bright future in this league and his minutes tonight show this.
Ty Lawson also located his spine. He was driving the lane ... even when the lane was stacked and GASP, good things happened! Yay! THAT, my friends is the kind of Ty we need in every single game. PERIOD. No more cajoling, no more prodding, none of that. Every game Ty needs to play like he did all night with driving the lane and creating. Having a stat line of 18 points and 6 assists is not bad in any way. Keep it up Ty and I will stop riding you. Miller also had himself a good game. He finished with 13 points and 9 assists and looked interested again, as opposed to the last several games.
Timofey Mozgov is back. Well, he WAS back. After putting in some good minutes, Moz looked like he tweaked his left ankle again and had to leave the game. It looked like he was able to come back in (if needed), but I'm sure every Nuggets fan held their collective breath when they saw that re-injury. Moz played some good defense, but looked a little rusty on offense. That will only improve I believe.
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Now THAT is more like it folks. A spirited effort all around by the Nuggets in the second half. While an entire game with that kind of energy would be nice, it seemed like the Nuggets quite figuratively flipped the switch and turned it in to hyper-drive. Starting with Brewers threes, and ending with an unfortunate tip-in. I'm less concerned about the final result than I am encouraged about the energy and the general vibe the team put out in the second half. It was SO much better. Like a giant weight had been lifted and the sunshine came through the clouds.
We all now know how important Danilo Gallinari is to this team. Yet, with spirited efforts like tonight, the Nuggets can make up for Gallo's absence by giving constant effort and energy. They need this. So while there are those who are waiting for Wilson Chandler to save the day ... maybe, just maybe, the spark the Nuggets needed was lit in the second half of tonight's game? I saw a change tonight. George Karl finally trusted a young player and didn't re insert Al Harrington (happy birthday Al but...wow you played terrible tonight) when the chips were down. These are the things that will help this team going forward more than anyone knows.
There's no such thing as a good loss, but damn this feels like one.
GO NUGGETS!!
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Congrats!!!
Also, I was encouraged by the second half effort tonight. It was good to see our team not lay down like a tipped cow after they were down 23. With that being said, if we had played with the same heart, desire, and passion in the first half, the outcome most likely would have been different. I am hopeful that we’ll see a fiery, angry, hungry team against OKC on Sunday.
Just don't hold on to the damn basketball!!!
I seriously thought
we had the game after Dre Day’s second three pointer. But then bad shit went down. On a side note, AAA looks like J. Cole. They sound quite alike as well.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 9:24 PM MST up reply actions
That's a loss I can handle.
Unlike the loss in Dallas.
It was inspiring to watch Brewer, Faried & Andersen in the second half, giving it their all and getting the Nuggets back into it. I’m ecstatic that GK rode it out with those guys, rather than bringing in Harrington or Koufos, like I was waiting for him to do.
What I love about Faried is his confidence
when asked prior to the game how he had performed this year he said “bad” because he hadn’t had a double-double. He took that ball to the rim time and time again in crunch time, he went after Memphis players verbally and so forth. That missed blockout will not shake his confidence, it will only make him stronger,
"Weltmeister!!" Zwei mal: 2010-2011...und weiter gehts
That fake-spin
back to the middle looked like KG circa 2004. It was beautiful.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 9:25 PM MST up reply actions
Second.
Nuggets set another low in scoring 15 in the first but go out and 87 in the next 3 quarters. They were one stop away from a win! One Stop!!!! At least we will not lose by 60 in OKC.
2012! Which way do we want the USA to go?
Not!
2012! Which way do we want the USA to go?
by SD_Nugget_Fan on Feb 17, 2012 9:25 PM MST up reply actions
We are not beating the Thunder
until Gallo and Chandler come back!!!!
2012! Which way do we want the USA to go?
by SD_Nugget_Fan on Feb 17, 2012 9:28 PM MST up reply actions
Who is
their backup since Maynor is out too? Will Homeless Looking Harden play point-forward? That would suck ass. Andre Miller is gonna need Speed to keep up with him.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 9:31 PM MST up reply actions
Please re-read your comment and reconsider it
“Homeless Looking Harden?” Hope you can figure out why you don’t want to post that in a public forum. If not, please ask someone.
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by LongWindedHank on Feb 17, 2012 10:04 PM MST up reply actions
Backup PG
I think it’s Reggie Jackson
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:16 PM MST up reply actions
Ah. Thanks.
He was a knockdown shooter in college from what I remember. Good player.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 11:05 PM MST up reply actions
Reggie Jackson
went to high school in Colorado. My roommate was a freshman the year he was a senior I think. I don’t think he was born here though, so not a hometown kid haha.
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Reggie Jackson
Him and I use to play many pick up games with and against each other. Great guy, very talented. I remember one particular pick up game when I put up 28 on him. He put up 35 on me though
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 18, 2012 11:23 AM MST up reply actions
It could be interesting on Sunday
OKC could be without Westbrook and Perkins. Limit KD and keep Ibaka off the offensive glass (I know, not gonna happen), and we could pull one out.
Just don't hold on to the damn basketball!!!
this post is correct!
It’s funny how our bench is looking better than the starters.
2012! Which way do we want the USA to go?
by SD_Nugget_Fan on Feb 17, 2012 9:32 PM MST up reply actions
Must suck to look at it half empty.
Crouching moron, hidden smarta**
Optimism, pessimism, F*CK THAT; we're gonna make it happen. As God as my bloody witness, I'm hell-bent on making it work.
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I'll stop!
I’m OUT!!!
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by SD_Nugget_Fan on Feb 17, 2012 9:33 PM MST up reply actions
Does anyone
else think OJ Mayo looks kind of like Denzel Washington?
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 9:33 PM MST up reply actions
First time I have been called out on DS!!!
The problem is I am speaking the Truth!!!!
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by SD_Nugget_Fan on Feb 17, 2012 9:49 PM MST up reply actions
Pretty sure Jeff is joshing
Though it’s probably true that he can’t handle the truth. Neither can I!
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by LongWindedHank on Feb 17, 2012 10:07 PM MST up reply actions
Oh no. JEFFREY IS TEH SERIUZ BIZNEZZ
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I'm doing the same!
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by SD_Nugget_Fan on Feb 17, 2012 10:09 PM MST up reply actions
Jeff was joking
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by Jeffrey Morton on Feb 17, 2012 10:11 PM MST up reply actions
I owe you a beer the next time I'm in Denver.
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by SD_Nugget_Fan on Feb 17, 2012 10:15 PM MST up reply actions
Love this tweet from Faried:
U right RT @Achaney37: Lil things win games Gotta boxout @KennethFaried35 That was out of character I bet it won’t EVER happen again to him
Just don't hold on to the damn basketball!!!
same with
You right RT @hbekele: @KennethFaried35 learn how to block out
3 retweets
all acknowledging that he missed the box out, and that he won’t let it happen again. I am pleased with this development
Just don't hold on to the damn basketball!!!
I hope you are right and this is a turning point
Still, hard to get excited about a game that was a blowout when it mattered then the backups made a comeback when Memphis got overconfident and shut down too early. Like the nuggets used to do back when they won games. 3-9. I will be happy when they start winning again, not after blowouts.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Feb 17, 2012 9:36 PM MST reply actions
It's a good thing this wasn't a blowout or you'd be pissed off!
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by Jeffrey Morton on Feb 17, 2012 9:38 PM MST up reply actions
T minus four games and counting
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Feb 17, 2012 9:39 PM MST up reply actions
Really TIDBM?
I admit that the first half was deplorable, but after what we saw in Dallas, how can you help but be encouraged by the heart, passion, and desire this team showed in the 2nd half? I was really expecting a repeat of the Dallas game, where we curled up in the fetal position and took it up the ass for the last two quarters. Instead, our team (yes, the entire team imo) stepped up and said, “we/re not gonna get punked like this again.”
Just don't hold on to the damn basketball!!!
I see your point
And reply that moral victories are for lottery teams.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Feb 17, 2012 9:42 PM MST up reply actions
I see your point,
and reply that I would rather a moral victory at this point than no victory at all
Just don't hold on to the damn basketball!!!
You are in luck
As no victory is what the have been ringing up on a regular basis.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Feb 17, 2012 9:46 PM MST up reply actions
I feel we're forever going to be on opposite sides
of the glass half full/half empty argument.
Just don't hold on to the damn basketball!!!
Not if they win games
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Feb 17, 2012 9:48 PM MST up reply actions
I suggest you drink more beer during games
They definitely change my outlook on the outcome
Just don't hold on to the damn basketball!!!
I tried that
Passed out at halftime
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Feb 17, 2012 9:55 PM MST up reply actions
If it was the Dallas game,
then the beer served it’s purpose!!
Just don't hold on to the damn basketball!!!
When we got close in the fourth
I told my gal pal that no matter the outcome, this game represented inexcusable play by the Nuggets. I was as excited as anybody about the gutsy comeback, but we shouldn’t have been down 23 to the Grizzlies. Not that they’re bad; I kind of like them.
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by LongWindedHank on Feb 17, 2012 10:10 PM MST up reply actions
Careful
You are supposed to celebrate losing by less than 20 like they won the super bowl.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Feb 17, 2012 10:13 PM MST up reply actions
I am pretty cynical
But do you enjoy watching basketball?
Even a little bit?
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by KevinAwesome on Feb 18, 2012 2:44 AM MST up reply actions
Quick,
somebody make it as bad.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 9:44 PM MST up reply actions
I much more
prefer a broken bottle of wine with sharp pieces.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 9:56 PM MST up reply actions
Why would you waste wine on Westbrick?
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No no no.
Not mine. It’s much better if you use his own booze against him.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 9:58 PM MST up reply actions
Ohhh. WHEWW
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Cristal
has a most jarring affect on an open wound.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 10:03 PM MST up reply actions
Great second half!
For the most part… loved the energy that Brewer and Faried brought. Hope both can get regular minutes.
Al is NOT a confident player right now. Has not confidence he can hit an outside shot, and it’s hurting the rest of his offense. Until he gets it together, next to worthless for us.
When
was the last time we had our entire starting line up in tact for the whole game?
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 9:57 PM MST up reply actions
3 weeks ago?
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It had to
have been before the 5 game East swing. Rudy was injured that whole time.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 10:00 PM MST up reply actions
February 3rd, I think
vs LAL, when Mozgov went down.
by NuggetsFan99 on Feb 17, 2012 10:00 PM MST up reply actions
I said
in tact for the whole game. Keep thinking.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 10:02 PM MST up reply actions
February 2nd, then.
Sorry for being one day off, your highness.
by NuggetsFan99 on Feb 17, 2012 10:04 PM MST up reply actions
I'd rather not
Injuries are a part of the game. We’ve had some bad ones, but other then Gallo none have been too serious. Could be in Atlanta’s or Memphis’s situation where they lost Horford and Randolph for the year.
Randolph
He should be back in a couple weeks
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:18 PM MST up reply actions
Ah
Thought his coach had said he wasn’t likely coming back this season, but you’re right. Still longer duration being out then Gallo, and that’s assuming his timetable really is going to be March 7th.
Another disappointing close loss
but I was encouraged with the effort we brought in the second half. Brewer really helped us out in the 3rd quarter.
Very happy that Faried played meaningful minutes tonight. He had a great performance despite not boxing out on the putback. He’s a rookie, he will learn from the experience.
Also loved Bird’s energy. He played solid for us tonight and proved he should get more run than Kosta Doufas.
I have to give Miller his props, but it just baffles me how he looks so terrible in some games then in others the dude is fantastic.
Big Al looked terrible tonight and I was dissapointed with him. The dude’s old and the compacted schedule is obviously wearing him down. Maybe we should try to trade him.
Also, good to see Karl sticking with the lineup in crunch time that got us back in the game.
I’m going to say it again, I think we overpaid for AAA and Nene. AAA just looks lost and Nene can’t even get on the court on a consistant basis.
This was a heartbreaking loss for me, but at least this team showed me that they have heart.
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:11 PM MST reply actions
Better yet,
how does Miller look like Lurch in one quarter and Gabriella Union the next.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 10:19 PM MST up reply actions
Wasn't she going out with D-Wade awhile ago?
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:21 PM MST up reply actions
Indeed she was
She’s gorgeous.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 10:23 PM MST up reply actions
It was nice to see some fight
With the 2nd unit, but Damnitall, with a little more effort in the 1st half, they would have won that game!
A little more effort in the 1st half
And Karl never would have went to the bench as much as he did. Think the game was lost when Karl started Harrington.
Harrington
He’s beginning to fall out of favor with me
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:25 PM MST up reply actions
It's his Birthday!
But, man, do we miss Nene. And I don’t want to see any “soft” posts in response to this
Just don't hold on to the damn basketball!!!
You, sir,
Are going to experience the wrath of…something, I’m sure
Just don't hold on to the damn basketball!!!
May a
Hall and Oates record fall from the Heavens and smite you.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 10:28 PM MST up reply actions
Who the hell
is Hall and Oates?
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:30 PM MST up reply actions
RIGHT BACK INTO TIMEOUT MISTER.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 10:31 PM MST up reply actions
NO NO I support this LMGTFY
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Is Mozgovcocktail
in timeout or Russscot? Estoy confuzzled.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 10:33 PM MST up reply actions
I better not be in a timeout
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:33 PM MST up reply actions
I'm deciding...
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Russscot was...not anymore
MozgovCocktail is on the verge….
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Why?
because I’m telling the truth
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:34 PM MST up reply actions
Because if you don't know who
Hall and Oates is…well you make the rest of us feel REALLY old and that is timeout worthy right there!
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ok can i redeem myself
I vaguely remeber them singing some song about a kiss
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:36 PM MST up reply actions
Tell us more about this kiss
no wikipedia allowed! :P
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On what is said kiss located on?
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 10:39 PM MST up reply actions
Nicely asked
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Answer is
taking too long. Must assume the Interwebz is being used. Finish him.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 10:40 PM MST up reply actions
I already posted the answer guy
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:42 PM MST up reply actions
Posted same time as you
Lo siento.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 10:45 PM MST up reply actions
Because your kiss is on my lips
that’s all i know
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:40 PM MST up reply actions
Okay you have avoided timeout, for the moment ;)
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yay!
If I may ask… How old are you Cat?
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:43 PM MST up reply actions
Just wondering
Aren’t you 43 russcot? I’m arguing with someone as old as my dad
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:49 PM MST up reply actions
Yes sir!
lol
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:53 PM MST up reply actions
Old enough to know better
And too young to care
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Nice answer
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:50 PM MST up reply actions
Lock him
in the virtual room of a Hall and Oates playlist on YouTube. It’s the ONLY WAY!!!!!!
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 10:37 PM MST up reply actions
my bad that I don't know Hall and Oates
I’m prolly younger than most of you and I’m that’s why i’m not into Hall and Oates
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:41 PM MST up reply actions
Just kidding man
No worries.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 10:45 PM MST up reply actions
Pssss, MozgovCocktail
dont tell the others I wrote this but you are lucky to not have known anything about H&O, the only H&O I like is fibrous.
Now go on and make like we never spoke. Go, shew…….
Please tell me you are joking...
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Bring it on!
The dude is soft
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:28 PM MST up reply actions
I don't recall telling you that your time out was over, mister!
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You don't recall it.
But do you call it?
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 10:29 PM MST up reply actions
I didn't give him permission to stop his timeout
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AAA and Nene
I just think we overpaid for both of them. There’s no way AAA should have received a $50 million contract. We should have let Houston overpay for Nene
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:33 PM MST reply actions
ok fine
He should have gotten a 25 million contract
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:35 PM MST up reply actions
and no we need nene, sometimes he can be soft(Mostly in the most important times)
but he is crucial to this teams success
you pretty much contradicted yourself
Yeah he’s key to the team’s success but he doesn’t show up in crunch time. makes no sense
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:38 PM MST up reply actions
And his contract is detrimental to the franchise’s future.
by NuggetsFan99 on Feb 17, 2012 10:41 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe maybe not
I just don’t want to pay a guy an almost max contract and see him barely play
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:44 PM MST up reply actions
Nope.
But we aren’t winning a championship with him, and for the price/length combo the Nuggets signed him for, I rather would have seen him walk.
by NuggetsFan99 on Feb 17, 2012 10:45 PM MST up reply actions
AAA
his contract was even worse than Nene’s. Just who the hell was competing with us for AAA?
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:46 PM MST up reply actions
How do you know we aren't winning a nba title with him?
We certainly aren’t winning one without him
This team's ceiling is a deep playoff run.
And that’s if things go perfect for this squad. You’re delusional if you believe anything else.
by NuggetsFan99 on Feb 17, 2012 10:47 PM MST up reply actions
We were was 15-6 before the injuries started hitting
they only team that scared me was okc… i could see us in the finals with a healthy team
On top of the Thunder, the Grizzlies, Spurs, Lakers, Mavericks would be tough series’ for the Nuggets, I think.
by NuggetsFan99 on Feb 17, 2012 10:59 PM MST up reply actions
My opinion
I would have rather saved our money for this offseason
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:47 PM MST up reply actions
Expanding on my thought.
I’ll take missing the playoffs now, positioning the team for a better future, rather than first/second round playoff exits for the next 3-5 years.
by NuggetsFan99 on Feb 17, 2012 10:49 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed
I think we should have let him walk and signed Carly Landry to a frontloaded contract
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:43 PM MST up reply actions
If, after the last couple of games
where we had zero low post game, you don’t see the value of Nene, I’m not sure what you’re watching.
Just don't hold on to the damn basketball!!!
Nene
the dude posts up but he just passes it out or does a lame ass finger roll
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:39 PM MST up reply actions
Only partially correct,
but what he also does is command attention from opposing teams when he posts ups. No one (currently healthy) else on the team does that.
Just don't hold on to the damn basketball!!!
I will get slapped for saying this
but I would rather see faried start than Nene
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:45 PM MST up reply actions
Faried
He could get the same numbers as Nene does
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:47 PM MST up reply actions
Not the same numbers
But I bet he would give us more consistency. In the long run, I wouldn’t find it shocking to see him be a better player then Nene. For this year, no way.
Also,
Faried would get eaten alive against many of the PF’s in the league. He needs to put on 15-20 lbs over the off season before you could really conceive of him starting
Just don't hold on to the damn basketball!!!
Just Saying
he will give you the same numbers as Nene
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:48 PM MST up reply actions
but not as dominant as nene on the offensive side
cant even argue that
I doubt Faried would do so consistently,
but even if he would, he would give up much more than Nene on D
Just don't hold on to the damn basketball!!!
Well you guys can be content
with Nene outting up 16 points and 7 rebounds for a 57 million conttract cause I’m not
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:52 PM MST up reply actions
Thats the price you pay for bigmen now... there aren't many talented ones in this league
id much rather have nene than dalembert
We will agree to disasgree on Nene
but can you at least acknowledge we overpaid for AAA
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:58 PM MST up reply actions
eh...I am mostly in agreement with you here
but I’m withholding my final judgment until the end of the year
Just don't hold on to the damn basketball!!!
disagree
No way he should have gotten that money in the first place. What has he done this year besides the pacers game and the Clippers game in LA?
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 11:01 PM MST up reply actions
He got paid for what he had done in the last few years.
It was expected that he would continue at the same level, if not exceed it. I will give him the benefit of the doubt for this year, because I believe in his work ethic and drive. But, if by the end of the year, I’m not seeing the same results as we have seen in the past, I’m right there with you.
Just don't hold on to the damn basketball!!!
I'm just saying we could have signed him for cheaper
Who else exactly were we bidding with? Instead we are depending on these two guys. I think nene can turn it around if he ever gets healthy, but I’m doubtful about AAA
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 11:07 PM MST up reply actions
Qualifying offer
That was the biggest competition. If Denver offered him much lower, he likely would have just taken his chances with that. And been unrestricted the next year. In hindsight, that’s not looking that bad right now.
The fact that he got a player option for the 5th year shows that he wasn’t entirely happy with the contract.
ok be content with him
not showing up in big time games
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:56 PM MST up reply actions
Without him we wouldnt have the chance of playing
in big time games
some people are Nene fans and some are not
we will agree to disagree
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 10:59 PM MST up reply actions
Is there actually any proof of this?
he averaged 14 and 9 last postseason
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That might look good
but Ibaka and Perk ate him up. Plus towards the end of the series he looked awful. Can’t remeber which game but he missed a wide open dunk late in the game that played a part in us losing
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 11:08 PM MST up reply actions
One missed dunk is not what blows a game
it was game 5, shifted momentum a bit but a lot of other factors led to that loss. Really everyone looked pretty terrible that series, Nene was one of the better performers.
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I just think the guy
will never be that dominant big man you guys are making him out to be. I would rather havePau Gasol than Nene
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 11:12 PM MST up reply actions
Well
Gasol is on the block
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 11:15 PM MST up reply actions
Pau Gasol could never be a Nugget
so that is a fairly moot point. Nene is valuable to the team’s success none the less
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Why do you think he could never be a nugget?
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 11:16 PM MST up reply actions
Because he is neither a FA or will be traded
you think his little outburst means anything? Lakers know how valuable he is and definitely won’t give him to Denver
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Gasol is on the block
That’s a fact. They could be trying to trade him for Howard but a Gasol for Nene and Miller deal would be pretty enticing
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 11:19 PM MST up reply actions
How is that a fact?
do you have insight with the Lakers FO? They would be foolish to trade him unless in a deal with Dwight or someone else prolific. Why would they trade Gasol for Nene? Even if you throw Miller in? That’s not making them any better or younger
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I seriously think
the Lakers are ALWAYS in win now mode.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 11:24 PM MST up reply actions
They weren't right after they dealt Shaq
Miller boosts them at PG but not nearly enough for them to get over the hump. Dwight may, only way I see Gasol getting dealt.
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Well according to you
Nene is one of the best big men in the game so why not. Kobe pretty much killed any chance of a howard deal. Plus they need a pg desperately and Miller is way better than fisher
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 11:34 PM MST up reply actions
I'm best buds with Mitch
I got him first on my speed dial lol
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 11:36 PM MST up reply actions
That was Game 5
And his free throw shooting was worse than curly hair in your soup at a restaurant. But he was not the only one who played poorly. That series was a team loss.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 11:11 PM MST up reply actions
i know
good point though. His free throw shooting was pathetic
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 11:13 PM MST up reply actions
I think it's
a bad sign that a player who has been in the league for almost 10 years still seems to lose his focus and cool at the line and brick a bunch of free throws in a row.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 11:16 PM MST up reply actions
fair point
but Shaq was never a great free throw shooter but he was wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than nene
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 11:17 PM MST up reply actions
Believing Nene is valuable and a good player does not mean believing Nene is one of best ever
nobody is comparing him to Shaq
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Nene
the dude is not a dominant big man. however we are paying him like he is one
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 11:20 PM MST up reply actions
No a dominant big man will be paid max
and Nene is not being paid max
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$57 million
is still pretty good for someone who doesn’t desrve it
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 11:23 PM MST up reply actions
He deserves a lot
the 2-3 mil he may be getting overpaid annually wasn’t going to add anything significant. Better to overpay for a necessary piece than risk losing that piece. You don’t know if anyone was in on Nene, remember for awhile it looked like he was gone and in fact NJ may have even offered more.
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NJ, Houson, and Indy were in on him
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 11:27 PM MST up reply actions
Right
and they were pushing the number too, he was getting paid something around what he is now somewhere. We’ll have to agree to disagree that it’s good it is here
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I just want him
to get back on the floor. he seems to play one game and sit out one. If this calf thing is serious, just shut him down for a month
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 11:31 PM MST up reply actions
This article does a pretty good job
of covering his injury. I also would love to have him on the floor, but I think he came back early from the heel and it led to the calf strain. Just want him on the floor and healthy
Just don't hold on to the damn basketball!!!
Are you mad at the FO for paying him
or Nene for getting paid?
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Nene does drive me crazy though
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 11:24 PM MST up reply actions
I'm really mad at the FO
for overpaying Afflalo
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 11:24 PM MST up reply actions
But with Shaq,
you knew every game he was gonna SUCK at the line. With Nene, it’s a crapshoot, showing he has focus and composure issues at the line. Not good for a veteran like him.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 11:19 PM MST up reply actions
He isn't a great FT shooter, not many big men are
hell Lebron still struggles from the line. Last postseason even some of the best FT shooters couldn’t get it in, this year’s FT regression is annoying though
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The whole team excluding Rudy and Gallo
are pretty shitty from the line
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 11:22 PM MST up reply actions
Ty has shot
extremely well from the line this season as well.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 11:23 PM MST up reply actions
Nene still has a better post-up
game than most bigmen in this league
Ne needs to learn to dunk the ball instead
of finger rolling it
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 11:25 PM MST up reply actions
This is true
I blame Felton, even if he no longer is on the team, it’s practical to blame him
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The patented Nene
up and under left handed slam has not been seen this year. This makes me sad.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 11:25 PM MST up reply actions
Felton sucks
They should have never trade Miller for him
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 11:26 PM MST up reply actions
He's garbage
Leaving Dantoni’s system showed everyone that he’s just a mediocre point guard
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 11:28 PM MST up reply actions
Miller and a pick
which I can’t remember if that got us Faried or Jham.
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we got J-ham from dallas in that trade
we drafted Faried iwth our own pick
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 11:29 PM MST up reply actions
Ah right
Dallas got Rudy, who we then got with Brewer. So really that worked quite well
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I can understand the Nene deal
but the AAA deal infuriates me
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 17, 2012 11:35 PM MST up reply actions
CMON!!!! Were not playing fantasy basketball!
Can’t you guys see there is more to a player then putting up good stats! If that’s the case maybe we should start Burger because he is averaging about 16…What you are not saying about Nene is, is that he plays real good Defense, forces turnovers, actually rotates and plays the pick and roll better. He gives us a bonafide post up threat, which can force doubles and give Ty room to manuever. He is a threat off of the pick and roll. He shoots a great percentage. Is he an All Star? Of course not, but he is a step down. Name how many PF’s are better than him. Didn’t you see the teams that had space all line up to try to get Nene. Yes he is a little soft but not as much as you are making him out to be.Have you seen our D without him, and our O?
Also, I guarantee you Nene would score more if he shot more.
He is not a selfish player, dont confuse this for being soft! Also he can’t get the ball, if he ain’t passed the ball….Remember we don’t call any offensive plays?
I can name a few
Dirk, Tim Duncan, Kevin Love, Blake Griffin, Pau Gasol, Paul Millsap, LaMarcus Aldridge,
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 18, 2012 10:47 AM MST up reply actions
ya had me until you included iffy players
TD is not that good anymore and Milsap, hmmm, IDK
Millsap is a beast
I’ve watched a few Utah games and he has really impressed me. I included Duncan because he can still turn it on when it counts. His stats might not look good because Pop is resting him for the playoffs
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 18, 2012 10:57 AM MST up reply actions
I like Milsap too
but I’d just as soon have Nene. Milsap is having a better year though but I like Nene’s height
I dont think TD could just turn it on though, not anymore
I will give the guy who has 4 rings
the benefit of the doubt
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 18, 2012 11:53 AM MST up reply actions
I agree with you on Dirk, Love, griffin, Gasol and Aldridge
Is that it?..Milsap plays awfullllll defense so No, Tim Duncan?2-3 years ago yes, but defintiely not know. So check the salaries of those guys we just mentioned and I think Nene’s deal is just fine. (Blake on rookie contract) He makes less than all of them.
I was just saying
that IMO we should have let Nene walk and see what we couild have done this offseason
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 18, 2012 4:51 PM MST up reply actions
Would have been okay doing it
But you’re fooling yourself if you think a top talented big man was going to come here. Most of the top free agents are restricted, so we’d have to overpay a questionable one.. just as much as Nene was overpaid likely.
Letting Nene and Afflalo walk would have just made us a rebuilding team for a few seasons. Might have made Gallinari more hesitant to sign long-term as well.
Oh what could have been.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 10:44 PM MST up reply actions
But that's
what made him special. Would you like him as much if he was just like any other NBA player? Hellz to da naw for me.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 10:47 PM MST up reply actions
If he would have lived up to his potential in Denver?
Hellz yeah I woulda like him as much
Just don't hold on to the damn basketball!!!
I blame
Karl a little bit too. The leash on JR was shorter than Eddie Murphy’s singing career. Yet guys like the immortal AC would throw baseball passes to the nosebleeds and still get consistent minutes. I didn’t get it.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 10:49 PM MST up reply actions
I Iiked how he was abIe to produce despite the coach not havin any confidence in him, that is what made him speciaI more than his abiIities.
the way he worked despite the coach ridicuIing and sIight him.
Yep
He had to constantly look over his shoulder, and guess who was standing there. Old George with his face in his hands. Like always.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 10:55 PM MST up reply actions
they shouId get credit for startin the whoIe swag thing, it wasnt tiI they pIayed the Iakers tough in the WCF that 'swag' got popuIar.
jr, kmart, andersen, meIo the swag team.
tru that... the "thuggets' played dirty physical... people were afraid
now we have 0 visible tats… soft
Weak Sauce
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 10:56 PM MST up reply actions
People were afraid of what? Getting punched?
because they sure weren’t afraid come playoff time
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Thin Mints and Trefoils……
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and Colt 45s have the same effect. But they numb you to everything. So it depends what kind of night you want.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 10:54 PM MST up reply actions
Wouldn't a Colt 45 numb you like permanently?
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Again,
depends what kind of night/rest of your life you want.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 10:57 PM MST up reply actions
give me a break
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My blerg
Just wanted to point out
Nene, even with injuries, is 12th in the league in dunks. A lot of the critiques against Nene are over exaggerated a lot
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I think
that’s because people feel that he should be in the top 5, maybe even number one, due to all of the opportunities he gets to slam it.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 11:12 PM MST up reply actions
And I think
he is expected to slam it from impossible positions way too much
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It's because
he’s shown that he CAN dunk from weird positions before.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 11:14 PM MST up reply actions
That doesn't mean he always can
he does not dunk sometimes when he should, sure I see this, but he dunks more often than getting credit for. really I think he should work on his layup touch more.
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Agreed.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 17, 2012 11:17 PM MST up reply actions
+
interesting to me that the same people that dog out Nene for underachieving think JR Smith is a God. Jr puts the under in achieving. It will be fun to watch a team of chuckers out there in NY…Lin, JR, Amare, Melo….haha…they all will be taking shots away from each other. Meanwhile they probably will have about 25 turnovers a game and shoot under 45%
Disagree
Jr’s game matured quite a bit last year. Far less knucklehead moments, and most were due to his terrible relationship with GK. Knicks fans are going to love him like Denver fans did – – he is really fun to watch. If he can get in synch with Dantoni (a big IF), he could find a really nice role in NY, much like John Starks did in the 80s/90’s (also an eccentric 2 Guard and very popular in NY).
There are probably more then just a few of us wondering if we signed the wrong 2 Guard to a big new contract.
I concur
AAA got overpaid big time and it will really hurt us
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 18, 2012 10:49 AM MST up reply actions
It's like people on here are addicted to the idea of the bad contract
constantly searching for whose bad contract is to blame for whatever the current woes of the team are. The truth is, there are no bad contracts on this team. First it was Harrington, then he played okay so people shut up about that. Then it was bird, but guess what he doesn’t get paid much and is a backup. Now it is AAA for some reason. He got $38 million over 5 years, slightly above average.
Let me put that in perspective for you. Last year Kmart made almost $17 million dollars. The year that the nuggets traded for Iverson, between salary and luxury tax, Kmart cost them almost $25 million. That is a bad contract.
AAA will be fine, and any time an opportunity to improve arises, his contract is palatable enough that he can be traded.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Feb 18, 2012 11:05 AM MST up reply actions
Well I hope you're right
but I still don’t like it
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 18, 2012 11:14 AM MST up reply actions
Nene was a bad contract.
Signing a guy in his 10th year to a 5 year contract is not good.
Go ahead, tell me I’m wrong. Just get back to me in 3 years when I’m right. :-)
I agree with you
I just didn’t like Nene’s attitude after last seaon when he said he felt disrespected. I mean we stuck by him when he blew out his knee and had cancer. I think we showed him enough respect. He better live up to this contract
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 18, 2012 11:25 AM MST up reply actions
He won't
There comes a time in every pro athletes career where its no longer just about attitude (good or bad). Sometimes your body defeats you and that will happen to Nene before his 5 years runs out.
In my opinion he is another lackluster Nugget that they should have let go. This team needed a fresh face and new blood but the mgmt was too afraid to do it. I guess they thought better the devil you know.
I wanted to let nene walk also
I wanted to save our money for this offseason
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 18, 2012 11:30 AM MST up reply actions
Aren't you two a rosie bunch
Nene got slightly more than I would have liked, but only slightly. He’s a big man with offensive skills, barring a career ending type injury a big man like him will always be tradeable.
A bad contract is only one that you cannot trade to another team when you think it is necessary. No one on the team fits that description.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Feb 18, 2012 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
Let's trade him this season then
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 18, 2012 11:40 AM MST up reply actions
This is what happens when teens love basketball and get the Internet
Even worse than an insurable career ending injury is what if he just declines as I predict. What if he starts to disappear in the 3rd instead of just the 4th. Then we can’t trade him.
So what would you have done?
Who would you have signed that is better for the money?
Chandler, also 29, got $14.5 million a year.
Gasol, while younger, got $14.5 million a year and the nuggs probably would have had to offer him max money to have a hope of memphis not matching.
He’s not a bad contract and no one of similar ability was coming for less.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Feb 18, 2012 12:39 PM MST up reply actions
We are in good financial shape
even if we sign Chandler to a near 10 million dollar contract. The cap is 60 million and the luxury tax is 70 million. We still will have room for Ty and these contracts will all be tradeable. Check Gasol’s or Kobe’s contract and check and see how strapped they are. Yeah what we paid Nene is a lot of money but this is the NBA, its all a lot of money. Nene’s salary is right where the market value should be..sorry a big man that is solid is worth a lot of money…See Kwame Brown and Dalembert’s contract…they can’t play and got 7 mil…Chandler got more than Nene and has no offensive game. Last time I checked the Mav’s are playing great D without him.
Why resort to slagging somebody you disagree with
by suggesting his opinion is that of an uninformed teenager? That gets you tossed from debate class, doesn’t it?
The rest of us happen to know TID is a very informed fan of the game in his late 30’s. He’s entitled to his opinions and to express them here. Give us a break with the attitude.
Now, let’s get to your bizarre speculation that “management was too afraid” to let Nene go. How is it that you don’t see that the Nuggets brain trust clearly decided to implement a restructuring of the team that utilized some of the very good talent we had along with the new faces from the Knicks?
I think you see it very well. It’s just that you disagree with their decision. Why not say that instead of impugning their character? [expletive redacted]
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by LongWindedHank on Feb 18, 2012 3:50 PM MST up reply actions
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Much to be glad about tonight and important lessons learned re rotations.
Faried must be the permanent backup power forward, start when Nene is hurt and the first big off the bench. GK must let go of his fantasy that Al H can defend proven big men and trading him now may make sense.Sign Chandler to a multiyear contract if price is right, then Rudy becomes expendable because he is a me-first shooter and inconsistent defender. Brewer and Bird important energy guys in short spurts and Miller is essential until team matures and long term backup point is secured’
Let’s get off the back of Ty, Nene and AAA’ they have real limits but are solid contributors. .
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I can understand Ty and Nene being solid contributors
but was has AAA done except for 2 games this season?
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 18, 2012 10:50 AM MST up reply actions
Idc what you guys say, this was a heartbreaking loss...
one of the toughest of the year…
If there is such a thing as moral victories, I am a witness!
Hated that we lost on an ORB, but great to see the Rook out there giving some energy and toughness. The key to our team is 2 things:
1)Learn how to play better D, figure out what the hell we are doing on the pick and roll. Will we really switch and allow Rudy Gay to shoot over Andre, will we double a shooter with 2 seconds on the shot clock to leave our man wide open, will we allow ourselves to be screened for an open shot? Faried will not allow himself to be screened like a little wuss.
2)Sit Al Harrington. Which will go along way in helping out #1. Yes it was great that Faried played the majority of the rest of the 2nd Half, However it took way too long for him to yank Harrington in the second and first half. He just can’t play D a lick…and if he can’t score. Park him on the bench. When Nene comes back I don’t want to see this guy….
Again…Key to the season is the man behind the wheel….The man with the ball in his hands. Ty Lawson. Will he find the best matchups. Will he penetrate more aggressively? Will he take more leadership? Will he score when we need him to? If he plays well, we will challenge for the Western Conference…end of story!
A loss is a loss.
By 1 or 23. These Nuggets are showing their colors. Injuries or not, just because we ACTUALLY fought back this game DONT MEAN jACK SHIT. QUOTE ME. It shouldn’t take a 20+ point deficient to try and win a game. Fucking straight up pathetic
by L.A_NuggetsFan on Feb 18, 2012 2:46 AM MST via mobile reply actions
this team is missing 4 of their top 8 or 9 players against a good team on the road.
Lighten up….come playoff time the fact that we lost the game won’t matter but it may be important that we fought back showed heart and Faried got his confidence. The team that plays in the playoff will be totally diferint.
No lack of effort...
The Nuggets have to keep improving. During this rough stretch, Manimal, Birdman, Brewer have taken steps. But the losses have mounted because Nuggets are getting picked apart by offenses. The definitely need to step up their D. I still have faith that they will.
They may not become the champs that we all dream of this year (although I think they will have as good of a chance as anyone). But it won’t be for lack of effort. I still see a team that plays hard. If anything, it is a mental game for the Nuggets right now. Need a stretch of wins to get that confidence back.
If the FO office sticks to the plan and lets this group have a normal offseason (with a lockout) together, I think all this experience is going to pay of big. Great organizations don’t try to to change plans every year, they have a plan and stick to it. I like were the Nuggets are heading. Keep grinding…
And box out better!
Much better without a lockout
But good post at the end of a hilarious thread – DStiffs really is one of the joys of my harried middle aged life.
Right on about the organization: ours is different now and we have to stick to the plan, ummm, whatever it is. My impression is that Ujiri’s PLAN was to put together a young, fast, deep team and let them grow together, with Gallo, Ty and AAA as leaders in scoring, energy and defense, respectively. In that case Dre, Bird and Al are not in the long-term plan, or even middle-term.
I cannot figure AAA out. The mental issue you mention seems to affect him more than anyone, which is odd because he looks like such a solid personality. Consistency is an important part of his presence, so it’s weird to see him playing so up and down. He should be an anchor, not an albatross, and he’s worth every penny when he’s on his game.
A loss is still a loss
If this game proved anything its that guys like Lawson and AAA are not self starters. They need someone else to get things revved up and then they can kick into action. This is especially true with Lawson and its a shame because even though I like him he’s not going to be the team leader we want/need.
The near comeback in the second half was great basketball but don’t pin the loss on Faried. Pin it on the guys in the first half who did next to nothing; Al, AAA, Lawson, I’m talking to you guys.
Too true, too true
You can’t play half a game and expect to win, just like you can’t win if you only play at one end of the court – half the time.
Lawson MUST be a self-starter, and jump-start the others as well. Ty usually does this, but when he doesn’t the whole team looks awful. Gotta bring that every night.
For AAA, energizing has ever been his main role, but when things bog down he really looks like he’s wading through Jell-o. I still think he will settle into a adapted form of his game from last year – please do so now, Arron! And start by getting back to what got you minutes – D, D and D!!
Championship team and Nene?
I’ve been in Denver for quite a while now, and like many cities, our fans love a championship. But I’ve found Denver fans also love teams that give all-out effort, while not necessarily winning every game. Denver appreciate over-achievers, and are generally savvy enough to appreciate the “little” guy who gets stuff done. The Nugs that beat Karl’s Sonics in ‘93(?) were a .500 team. But McNichols was ROCKIN every game. The crowd came out to see the over-achievers. We loved Bird when he was an over-achiever. We loved our bench tonight (including future starter Manimal) as they out played our “starters”. Although it was a split, many on here loved tonight’s effort – classic Denver fans. I think most of us would be beyond thrilled with our “no super-stars” getting deep into the playoffs.
So I can see why there is a lot of dissension on Nene – you look at what he is capable of doing with his speed and strength, and he never seems to reach his potential. You can see it in fantasy leagues as well as the real league – big man are a little scarce. Above, somebody was whining that Nene is only something like 16 pts and 7 boards per game. Well, realistically, that’s what you get at that price. But like a typical Denver fan, I want over-achieving, not under-achieving. I want Nene to put as much into hoops as he does “football”.
And in general, I want everyone on this team to achieve or over achieve, like the team that got out to the 15-6 start. And while it is good to see if for a half, that ain’t gonna cut in in the nba, nor is playing for just one half going to cut it with Denver fans.
Can't Minimize the Impact of Losing Your Entire Starting Front Line to Injury
That’s huge, and the Nuggs are going to suck for a while until they get back. Last night was encouraging because the team really fought in the 2nd Half and it started on the DEFENSIVE end. Great defense leads to fast breaks and better offense. The effort on defense has really sucked during the losing streak, and thus the offense was pathetic too. Last night, in the 2nd Half, they finally returned to aggressive, hustling DEFENSE, and it led to a lot a good offense. My breakdown:
Ty: Ty looked like Ty in 2nd Half. Where have you been Blurr??
Brewer – Played with passion and energy. Is he emerging as the heart of this team?
Manimal – Took a HUGE step last night. Though he blew the block-out at the end, he showed his team and himself how he can contribute this year – - energy, hustle, rebounding and DUNKS.
Dre – Dre looked like Dre again in the second half, with some great passing and nailing big shots. Maybe he has been hurting the last few games??
Bird – loved the hustle and effort he brought on defense. Looked a bit like the old Bird, and his effort was contagious. Made me a little sad that we may trade him. (But has to be done if we are going to sign Chandler for more than 1 year.
Moz – Good to see him back. I think he is more valuable to this team than we give him credit for. Having that big guy back in the lane allows the other guys to play tighter perimeter defense. (The Nuggs biggest weakness this year – - showing why signing Will is SO important).
On a down note -
AAA – took a step back. Played lackluster on both ends, and the Nuggs are going to need more from their starting 2 Guard with the big new contract. The OKC game is going to be big for AAA to show that the last couple of games were a fluke.
Good Post Ace
Agree with your player comments. Bottom line is….WINS. We are stuck in a funk, but we have Brewer and Manimal playing with confidence, and that is huge going forward.
AAA has been so inconsistent This Season! It’s time for AAA to find bring his A-game every night and earn his money.
It’s on the Coaching staff to find a win to win games like Memphis. A close loss gets us nowhere.
by Nuggburg on Feb 18, 2012 10:21 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
yes, ACE
I wont go into injury excuse thing but we wont win with our 2nd line in for our 1st line. Why would anyone think we would? Take away any teams front line. What would they do over a few weeks or a month? Lose like we are.
I wanted Nene and AAA back so bad but I am starting to believe that even if they have good stretches, they will never play up to their contracts.
Nene because of persistent injuries, AAA because of a lost something or other.
Obviously you are right
because there is no way a team like the spurs could win without their best player (Ginobli) or that Miami could win games if some of their big three are out. Dallas won the title last year after significant injuries. Orlando went to the finals after their starting PG went down for most of the year.
Every team deals with injuries. The upside of this team was supposed to be that they had a dozen rotation players. Even if you are missing three of them, you will have a 9 man rotation.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Feb 18, 2012 10:17 AM MST up reply actions
I knew you'd go there TIDBMTID
but we are not the Spurs or dallas if for no other reason than our coach doesnt begin to compare to their coaches.
You also unintentionally make my point IMO because you cite a player or so, we have our whole front line down, at the same time we even weathered absences to back ups for personal reasons, we tried to weather missing an important piece because of lockout.
We cannot win under those conditions. We won previously, we dont win now. Thats proof.
Each case you cite is a specific. LBJ could win with 11 clowns. Dallas was pretty healthy for playoff run. Orlando had one injury.
They are not commensurate with what we are experiencing.
After trade last year, gallo went down for 8 games. We won all 8. Why because we had way more depth then. Chandler just filled in for Gallo, we had KMart, JR
This year without Gallo and Moz, there are no really adequate stop gaps. Chandler is gone and KK, God love him, is a starter only for a lottery team.
Yeah, we had the best deepest bench back in those days
Melvin Ely
Shelden Williams
Gary Forbes
and two 7 footers that got nearly zero burn time.
no, after trade, we were deep
not before trade. BTW, I’d like to have Forbes now with our injuries and all
Injuries play a part
We cannot win under those conditions. We won previously, we dont win now. Thats proof.
but you go way too far in crediting them. Take away the nuggets record (9-0 last I looked) against easy teams in the east, and you have a team with a losing record against it’s true western competition, even before the injuries.
It took the league a little while to get the formula for beating the nuggs. Now they have it.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Feb 18, 2012 10:50 AM MST up reply actions
why do you take away the 9 - 0?
why dont you take away the recent 2 – 8 and we’d be doing great
The formula for the league to beat us = get ‘em while they are injured cause when their guys come back we’re gonna get thumped as per usual
we were 15 - 6 when Moz went down
up 3 vs lakers, a little while later Gallo went down, now we suck. There’s a connection.
I took away the eastern conference games
because they aren’t the real competition for the nuggets. Judged against their western conference opponents, the results have not be favorable, healthy or not. The writing was on the wall before the injuries for anyone who wanted to see it. I’ll be happy to be wrong and this team starts winning again, but I don’t see it absent substantial changes in strategy on offense and defense. I think that only happens with a coaching change. If Karl is still coach after the ASG, this team will miss the playoffs.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Feb 18, 2012 11:11 AM MST up reply actions
I'm guess Utah
will be the team that takes us out of the playoff running in the month of Feb.
They have an easier schedule than portland so Denver will be battling to get out of 9th or 10th place. It’s grim but March is a new month.
I believe we have a nine game home stand in March
we need to go 8-1 at least
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 18, 2012 11:27 AM MST up reply actions
We better
that’s one of the games I’m going to
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 18, 2012 11:31 AM MST up reply actions
so what if East isnt competition
There are still good wins vs East teams – Philly on road, Bucks while they were undefeated on road, Knicks at MSG, Indy in Indy.
Even according to what your maintaining we were still 6 – 6 against tough West foes, many on the road.
But since injuries our floor collapsed beneath us. We essentially beat no one, no where.
Yes its someones responsibility. Probably GKs but you cant make lasagna with rice and beans
I agree
you can’t take away what we have done against the east. We have beat some pretty damn good teams in the east. The Miami Heat and 76ers come to mind. We play who’s on our schedule and so far we have handled our business against the east. Can’t take that away from us
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 18, 2012 11:48 AM MST up reply actions
yes and the win against the Heat was
a beat down. And the win against Knicks was real gutsy when you consider we didnt have our legs.
plus the Heat had the big 3 in that game
and the Knick game went to double overtime. We could have laid down and concede the game but we gutted it out and earned the W
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 18, 2012 12:00 PM MST up reply actions
The schedule makes some of those things difficult to judge
That Miami game was the 5th game of a 5 game road trip, third game in four nights, traveling to Denver from California. Schedule makes a game like this tough to judge.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Feb 18, 2012 12:16 PM MST up reply actions
We won
in NY in double overtime after getting to NY at 4am due to a snowstorm in DC AND playing only 7 guys. So if you want to discount a Nuggets win, make sure you count THEIR gutty ones as well.
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by paidinfull87 on Feb 18, 2012 2:06 PM MST up reply actions
I have some issues with part of your assertion TIDBM
I will agree that the team was probably playing a bit above it’s head pre-injury bug, but what you seem to be discounting is the team was 7-7 against the western conference (not great, but not terrible) heading into the Lakers game – and the Moz injury. Four of those losses were on the road, and 3 came on the 2nd night of a back to back – including one of the home losses. It’s impossible to say how the games lost during this bad streak would have played out if we were healthy, but to say that there is a possibility of 2-3 more wins is, in my opinion, not unreasonable. If that happens, then our western conference record – while still not great – is not nearly as dire looking as you are asserting. Basically, if you credit the injuries as having any effect, then you cannot discount them in regards to our play against the Western conference.
PS: I know you don’t like Karl, but your blanket assertion that this team will not make the playoffs with him as coach beyond the all star break has no foundation in fact, but is based on your biased suppositions.
Just don't hold on to the damn basketball!!!
We will make the playoffs with Karl
We will just lose in the first round
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 18, 2012 11:49 AM MST up reply actions
Your assertion that this team will make the playoffs with Karl as coach
has no foundation in fact but is based on your biased suppositions.
It works both ways ya know.
are you talking to me?
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 18, 2012 11:51 AM MST up reply actions
I know
thanks though, just seemed like it
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 18, 2012 11:54 AM MST up reply actions
I didn't assert anything, but, yes it works both ways.
If I were to assert that we would make the playoffs with Karl as coach, I would be just as guilty of an unfounded supposition as TIDBM. I did not, however. I don’t know if we will make the playoffs with Karl as coach, I don’t know that we won’t. I do, however, believe that we will, and that – if healthy – will make a deep run…with Karl as coach.
Just don't hold on to the damn basketball!!!
For the record
I prefer “educated guess” to “unfounded supposition”. Does anyone have a way to find the stats on the last time this team had a streak this bad?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Feb 18, 2012 12:27 PM MST up reply actions
"Educated guess" is fine by me ;)
As far as stats, that’s more work than I’m willing to put in, but beefyswats posted a fan post which would probably have that data.
Just don't hold on to the damn basketball!!!
you should have seen my irrational exuberence
to start the season when my educated guess was 82-0 including playoffs. Slightly off with that one.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Feb 18, 2012 1:46 PM MST up reply actions
TIDBMTID
I think we played this poorly in early January last year when Chauncey heard his name in the trade rumor mill with Melo. The team sort of shut down after that point.
The Puffy-Mase era (and Puffy-Mase in general) ruined hip hop.
by paidinfull87 on Feb 18, 2012 2:09 PM MST up reply actions
k, we'II make the pIayoffs, but at this point, i wouId rather just get a high pick and re buiId the right way.
and no they are not gonna make a deep pIayoff run, how do you figure that, not just because of karI but the pIayers havent shown they can perform in the pIayoffs either, other than gaIIo for one game where it was jr who Ied them anyways, and nene but he onIy shows up earIy in games.
I am talking about my belief.
I still believe that this team is much closer to the team we saw early in the year than to the one that is mired in an injury-riddled slump. Because of that, I believe that we can play with anyone in the league on any night, and would be able to win a series against the majority of teams in the west. Do I think we’re a championship team this year? Probably not. Do I think we’re on the right track for building a championship team? Absolutely.
I’m curious as to what you mean by the phrase “re-build the right way.” Are you wanting to use the superstar model? In other words, are you hoping that a high draft pick will turn into Wade, KD, etc.?
Just don't hold on to the damn basketball!!!
no I just want to cIean house, the roster was buiIt to karI's preferences.
i Iike gaIIo, nene, and maybe ty, but other pieces i see as repIaceabIe and if the oppurtunity is there to get a high draft pick or a great pIayer is there for them then they shouId trade them.
i wouId not use those earIy in the season games to assess this team, whiIe this team wouId improve a Iot with nene, gaIIo back, a Iot of teams earIy in the season didnt have their Iegs Iike we did and didnt find their game tiII Iater Iike j1zz and mavs, aIso scoutin reports are comin in and teams are more prepared to pIay against our styIe with karI, and as karI said if we dont run we dont win…
Wait? You think Karl actually has say so on who the team signs?
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I don't think he has any input
He was majorly against the camby trade.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Feb 18, 2012 1:16 PM MST up reply actions
I think you might assigning George more influence
than he probably has, and making Ujiri seem a little less powerful than he is.
Can you explain more why you think George would have this much influence over Ujiri’s decision making?
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I saw that.
My perception is that they talked about the personnel currently on the team. Not about pending moves.
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I just want to add Russ
that IMO we wouldnt just have 2 – 3 more wins. I think we’d have closer to 6 and be seeded 2nd or 3rd.
7-7 is your best case scenario in the west?
Even at .500 that’s not a playoff contender. And they are going to have to make substantial improvements to get to .500 against the west.
What are the facts here? 7-14 against the western conference at this point. 3-9 in their last twelve games. Yes, it is my opinion that this is no longer a playoff team with Karl as the coach. I’d be happy to be proven wrong. It is my belief that the injuries and schedule are preventing the talent from overcoming poor schemes and poor in game management, which they have been able to do in prior seasons.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Feb 18, 2012 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
The point of my post was that
before the losing streak, we were 7-7 against the west, not that a 7-7 record was a best case scenario. Further, that if we had not been bit by the injury bug, our schedule in the last 12 games – which were predominantly against western conference teams – might not have been as dismal as it is. If we’re in agreement that the injuries have in some ways limited our ability to win games, then to assert that our record against the West proves our lack of ability to win in the playoffs seems to me to be imposing a double standard. I will, however, agree that the team should have a greater ability to overcome injuries, and that all teams have injuries which the truly great team overcome.
Just don't hold on to the damn basketball!!!
Russ I agree with what you post but still have to nitpick
If we werent injured, I am as sure as I am that dropped balls fall downwards, that we would without a doubt have had a much better record than we have had over past 3 weeks. What possible reason could anyone think otherwise?
Not all teams have significant, pervasive injuries that the Nuggets have had. A player or two, maybe, but not what we’ve dealt with.
No one has ever said, not you, not I, not anyone I’ve ever read on this sight, that we are a truly great team. Even healthy, I cant say we are a truly great team.
There is one such team (Miami) and 2 teams that nudge greatness (OKC, Chicago). Healthy, we can battle those teams but suffering crippling injuries we are closer to the bottom than the top.
Thats why we extended Gallo, thats why we signed Nene long term, thats why we are trying to get Wilson on board, that’s why Ujiri insisted that Moz be included in trade
If we, if Ujiri, thought we could just replace those players with any Tom, Dick, Harry, Koufas, Anderson, and pups like Faried, Stone and Hamilton, why work so hard on signing/extending certain players?
Fairly healthy, we are close to a .700 team. Drastically depleted, we are a .300 team, pretty much what the record shows.
See you guys later
There is some gigantic flaming thing up the sky that is melting all the snow. I’m gonna go see what it is.
What?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Feb 18, 2012 12:28 PM MST up reply actions
ok so i don't mean to change the subject but i need help with some hardcore, oldschool, denver nuggets trivia circa '88-92
my sister just got me an autographed pennant of the nuggets roster from the late 80’s-early 90’s for $3 at a flea market. THREE FUCKING DOLLARS!
has all the greats from the post issel playing days, alex english, fat lever, calvin natt, wayne cooper, michael adams, t.r. dunn, danny shayes and some of the not so greats, ottis smith jay vincent, andre moore and my personal favorite, the big stiff himself, doug moe.
my question, that i can not seem to find an answer on the web for, so it will require the memory of a HARD CORE STIFF is this:
there is an autograph from long time nba player and current memphis grizzlies broadcaster hank mcdowell with the number 9. i don’t remember him ever playing with us so my suspicion is that whomever originally got these autographs must have done so in the pre-season before cuts. is there anyone who can verify this?
i have no intention of selling it. it is going in the pat cave till i can find a good place to donate it, but i’m trying to find out the history of it.
also if anyone knows of a good nuggets related charity, or an individual who deserves this pennant and would cherish it please let me know. 15 year old patrick would have cherished this, but 35 year old patrick doesn’t have the autograph joy that someone else might.
my e-mail is pat01010101@yahoo.com.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Feb 18, 2012 1:59 PM MST reply actions
b.t.w. i've narrowed it down to being from the '87 season based on the fact...
that it was the only year jay vincent and otis smith were on the roster together
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Feb 18, 2012 2:06 PM MST up reply actions
Yep
It was the 87-88 season. If I remember, the Nuggs extended Fat Lever through 1992 around the same time as well. Good times.
The Puffy-Mase era (and Puffy-Mase in general) ruined hip hop.
by paidinfull87 on Feb 18, 2012 2:14 PM MST up reply actions
DENVER (NBA) – Extended the contract of Lafayette Lever, guard, through 1991-92. Waived Hank McDowell, forward. Placed Maurice Martin and Mike Evans, guards, on the injured list.
November 6, 1987
Source
And damn, I would love it for my Nuggets memorabilia collection. Too bad I don’t live in the US.
by NuggetsFan99 on Feb 18, 2012 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
well if you have designs on ever coming to denver, save my e-mail and it's yours.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Feb 18, 2012 3:32 PM MST up reply actions
Great find!
And nice notion to pass it along.
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by LongWindedHank on Feb 18, 2012 3:59 PM MST up reply actions
thanks. i'd REALLY like to find one of the younger stiffs get it. you know of any?
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Feb 18, 2012 4:50 PM MST up reply actions
Let's see
Agaliarept is 18. NastyNessy71 is pretty young, too. Bet there are plenty here. Maybe the proprietors would do a high-profile giveaway.
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by LongWindedHank on Feb 18, 2012 7:19 PM MST up reply actions
thanks for finding that nuggetsfan99
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Feb 18, 2012 4:53 PM MST up reply actions
No problem.
And the soonest I’d get to Denver would be 5 years from now, when I’m in my late 20’s. If only Colorado was closer to Canada.
That’s quite an awesome find, though. Best of luck on your hunt to find somebody in Denver who will cherish it.
by NuggetsFan99 on Feb 18, 2012 7:35 PM MST up reply actions
This spurs vs clippers game is GREAT
after a missed rebound late in the 4th by the clippers kenyon martin was LIVID he wa s pissed
INJURY UPDATE FOR SUNDAY VS THUNDER
Russell Westbrook (ankle) says he’ll play Sunday
Nuggets center Nene will not play Sunday against the Thunder. He will miss his fourth straight game with a calf injury.
not surprising
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by TheMozgovCocktail on Feb 18, 2012 4:47 PM MST up reply actions
Ridiculous.
"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
Afflalo is Boss.
Retire Bird in Denver.
by love4nuggets on Feb 18, 2012 6:47 PM MST up reply actions
Would you guys rather he play hurt?
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OKC Game
I just want to see the team play hard with energy and passion like it did in the second half against Memphis. If we do, we could sneak out a win. If we don’t, this could be another down by 30 in the second half. Hope Nuggs just scrap, and turn Manimal loose.
by ACEIII on Feb 18, 2012 8:16 PM MST via mobile reply actions
wow did anyone see kmart bIast karI on si.com
says what we have been tryin to say here. that karI got the team he wanted, but it’s not goin to the way they wanted, that jr, meIo and he arent the probIem, that they werent seIfsh or pIayers that teams cant win with them.
kmart doesnt Iike how karI makes it seem Iike the team has some how improved with out them, and takes a shot at karI’s ego because karI Iikes to make it seem Iike he’s a great coach, then meIo wouIdnt have wanted to Ieave. i agree in part that meIo may have not Ieft if the team was more abIe, aIthough he did want to go to NYK, if the team was more competitive and didnt go out in the 1st round, and the coach didnt bIame him and other pIayers and not take any responsibiIity himseIf, then the big market might seem Iess attrctive.
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