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After seeing a road-weary Nuggets squad best the Knicks in Madison Square Garden last night, and in doing so handing the Knicks their sixth-straight loss, the Carmelo Anthony trade of a year ago is looking nothing short of lopsided ... in favor of the Nuggets.

Star-divide

It seems like a distant memory now, but not long before the New York Knicks dealt Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, Raymond Felton and Wilson Chandler to the Nuggets in exchange for Carmelo Anthony last February the Knicks weren't just a decent team, they were an exciting, up-and-coming team. Their 2010 free agent signee Amar'e Stoudemire was having an MVP-type season, Gallinari was showing flashes of why he was a lottery pick, Mozgov was improving with each passing game, and Felton and Chandler were flourishing in Knicks' head coach Mike D'Antoni's wide open, shoot-em-up system.

In fact, prior to acquiring Melo the Knicks had had a five-game and an eight-game winning streak, and had beaten the Bulls twice as well as the Thunder, Spurs and Heat. But as the Melo-to-the-Knicks rumors intensified in January of 2011, the Knicks lost six straight and fell apart from there, creating a sense of desperation among Knicks fans and ownership to make a major move. The Nuggets seized on this desperation and pulled off the deal, bringing four-fifths of the Knicks starting lineup to Denver.

We know all too well what happened from there. The Nuggets barnstormed through the remainder of the 2010-11 season, won 50 games, finished as a fifth-seed and lost in the playoffs first round to the Thunder. The Knicks, conversely, struggled mightily, first losing a lot of games with Melo - then winning a lot of games - and squeaked into the playoffs as a 42-40 sixth-seed only to be swept quickly by the Celtics in the first round.

Knicks fans and followers made excuses for Melo and the new-look Knicks at the time, saying they needed more time to gel (even though the Nuggets new complement of players gelled seemingly overnight) with an eye towards a vast improvement this season. Well, 16 games into the 2011-12 campaign it's more of the same for the Knicks ... and the Nuggets. And 40-plus games after "trade" the Nuggets stand at an impressive 30-12 while the Knicks are floundering at 20-24.

I don't want to bag on Melo (I did plenty of that last season leading up to the trade) for he will always deserve credit for returning the Nuggets to NBA relevancy upon arrival in 2003. But it's clear - and we saw this again last night as his Knicks lost to our Nuggets in double overtime - that Melo is nothing more than a one-dimensional scorer. Lethal at any point in a game to be sure, which made him oh-so-dangerous in Denver with good coaching and a solid supporting cast.

But Melo has neither in New York right now and it's become obvious that the Knicks were better off never trading for him in the first place. For all the joy we're experiencing in Denver watching these young Nuggets win tough game after tough game could just as easily be happening in New York instead.

On to the links...

Nuggets defeat Melo, Knicks in double-overtime thriller - The Denver Post
Benjamin Hochman recaps the Nuggets big win and gives a nice plug to Stiffs Night Out at Jake's!

For Knicks, Celebrated Trade, Celebrated No More - NYTimes.com
As the Knicks prepare to play the visiting Denver Nuggets, the blockbuster trade for Carmelo Anthony that redefined both teams is under renewed scrutiny.

Gallinari’s Career-High 37 Points Help Nuggets Top Knicks in Double Overtime - NYTimes.com
Carmelo Anthony had 25 points and 10 rebounds for the Knicks, but Danilo Gallinari, the player the Knicks gave up for Anthony, was a little better, with 37 points and 11 rebounds.

A Big Blue win over 49ers in NFC Championship will keep focus off Carmelo Anthony, NY Knicks' Giant woes - NY Daily News
Well, because I’m a glass-half-full, cock-eyed optimist, the good news for the Knicks is that their extreme makeover of Madison Square Garden, which the fans sure helped pay for with a rather epic ticket increase, seems to be a great success. Writes Mike Lupica.

Carmelo Anthony talks Friday about (another) Knicks loss, playing Nuggets | Nuggets Ink — Denver Nuggets news — The Denver Post
Carmelo Anthony talks Friday about (another) Knicks loss, playing Nuggets with Hochman.

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I was reading a New York Journalist try make up excuses as to why the Knicks were playing so bad. One of his points was that they didn’t have a Training Camp and had no time to gel together. This made me laugh. No one had a training camp, but you don’t see anyone else (except for the already bad teams) havin the issues that the Knicks are having. Plus, they had 20 or so games and playoffs to gel last season.

NY are just not a good fit together. You ant put two guys that need the ball to score on the same team, especially without a true PG who can get them the ball. Just ain’t gonna work. It results in what we saw yesterday in Melo taking 30 shots and Stat taking 9. Also Melo doesn’t fit into D’Antoni system that requires lots of ball movement, he just slows things down and holds it up. The Tyson Chandler signing was also a very questionable one, how is a great defensive player like that going to thrive in that sort of system? He did great in Dallas because the system fit him. Knicks would be better with Billups right now. Knicks an indeed the rest of the league need to learn that putting the big name guys on the same team doesn’t guarantee wins or playoffs. It worked in Boston because the big three complimented eachother great and had a great system put in place by Doc Rivers. Front offices need to learn that they can’t just slap together the biggest names they can find, rather find players that will work in the system. That’s why Masai Ujiri is a magnificent Bastard. He understands that.

Anyway rant over. Go Nuggets!

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by stan_26 on Jan 22, 2012 4:01 PM MST via iPhone app reply actions  

Same with Miami, the "Big 3" there somewhat compliment each other

Without a nashesk point guard NY will keep getting it handed to them. Amare fits the D’Antoni system. Melo would fit better in a true half court team IE the Sloan version of the Jazz.

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il gallo selvatico. Andare cazzi!!!!

by The U.N. Fab Five on Jan 22, 2012 4:24 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Nashesk!?!?!?

Try Nashesque. It comes from the French. You’d best stay away from neologisms where you don’t understand the etymyology.

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by Thursty on Jan 22, 2012 5:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Thursty with the Thursty!

The ultimate Thursty’d

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by stan_26 on Jan 22, 2012 5:26 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Yeah, I've slipped up before

"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!"...
"Ohhh; the Denver Broncos?!?!?!" ...Homer Simpson
"Denver isn't considered a frontier maam, not these days"... Josh Randall (Steve McQueen) in an episode of Wanted Dead or Alive set in 1871, filmed in 1958.
"Denver, Colorado: one of the foremost sports centers in the country..." Narrator on the Bat Masterson TV show

by Thursty on Jan 22, 2012 9:19 PM MST up reply actions  

A self-Thursty

will surely be the sign of the apocalypse

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 7:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Gotta keep my hand in

"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!"...
"Ohhh; the Denver Broncos?!?!?!" ...Homer Simpson
"Denver isn't considered a frontier maam, not these days"... Josh Randall (Steve McQueen) in an episode of Wanted Dead or Alive set in 1871, filmed in 1958.
"Denver, Colorado: one of the foremost sports centers in the country..." Narrator on the Bat Masterson TV show

by Thursty on Jan 22, 2012 9:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Brutal

Where would we be without Thursty putting us in our place?

Dude. It’s just a silly sports blog. Calm down.

Is your love worth the nausea it could bring?

by Fly Agaric on Jan 22, 2012 5:31 PM MST up reply actions  

I couldn't be calmer

Nashesque is silly no matter how you spell it.

"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!"...
"Ohhh; the Denver Broncos?!?!?!" ...Homer Simpson
"Denver isn't considered a frontier maam, not these days"... Josh Randall (Steve McQueen) in an episode of Wanted Dead or Alive set in 1871, filmed in 1958.
"Denver, Colorado: one of the foremost sports centers in the country..." Narrator on the Bat Masterson TV show

by Thursty on Jan 22, 2012 9:21 PM MST up reply actions  

I didn't disagree with that part; it is silly

My issue was the condescending tone in which you used; insisting Fab Five stay away from having fun with the language because he didn’t understand the French suffix was mean-spirited and elitist.

:)

Is your love worth the nausea it could bring?

by Fly Agaric on Jan 22, 2012 9:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Tone doesn't convey well in written word.

I had no condescending thought when I wrote it, I was laughing about it. Maybe it’s just the way I talk. I hate emoticons but have been known to use them on occasion.

"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!"...
"Ohhh; the Denver Broncos?!?!?!" ...Homer Simpson
"Denver isn't considered a frontier maam, not these days"... Josh Randall (Steve McQueen) in an episode of Wanted Dead or Alive set in 1871, filmed in 1958.
"Denver, Colorado: one of the foremost sports centers in the country..." Narrator on the Bat Masterson TV show

by Thursty on Jan 23, 2012 4:56 PM MST up reply actions  

I hate them to

But I’ve decided they are essential in a strictly written medium. I don’t know if you are a fan of linguistics at all, but prosody and body language are very important aspects in proper communication and are almost entirely absent in the written word, save what we can stress with capital letters, bold, italics, etc.

Know that I always appreciate your passion and knowledge on the subject matter. But it tears me up the way people break balls over typos and mixed up homophones since this is a conversational sports blog. You might not post much, and “Thursty’ing” might be a fun little in-joke here, but I think it is distracting at best and mean-spirited at most.

I’m of the opinion that since we aren’t writing term papers or articles for publication, even people without the best typing skills or especially knowledgeable about grammar and spelling ought to be allowed to share their opinions on basketball and the Nuggets without drawing fire.

Go team.

Is your love worth the nausea it could bring?

by Fly Agaric on Jan 23, 2012 5:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Did you ever see the Reader's Digest?

There was a feature in there called “It Pays to Increase Your Word Power”. There was always a blurb about how better vocabulary would make a better impression, blah, blah blah.

In the Mad magazine parody the column was “It Pays to Decrease Your Word Power”. Their blurb was about how the bullies will beat you up if you sound too sophisticated blah, blah blah.

I do anything I can to help. I don’t look at it as drawing fire. That is unless you’re from some other team’s blog and you come in here writing smack I might really come down on one of those guys. Somebody from SS&R came in here blowing hard about the Lakers and running us down about a year ago. I really gave it to him, now that was dishing out mean spirited for mean spirited.

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"Ohhh; the Denver Broncos?!?!?!" ...Homer Simpson
"Denver isn't considered a frontier maam, not these days"... Josh Randall (Steve McQueen) in an episode of Wanted Dead or Alive set in 1871, filmed in 1958.
"Denver, Colorado: one of the foremost sports centers in the country..." Narrator on the Bat Masterson TV show

by Thursty on Jan 23, 2012 9:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Your comment yesterday about ice cold "fluids" had me rolling.

I will just say my wife gets on me if my hands are cold.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 22, 2012 6:42 PM MST up reply actions  

I thought that was KFH....?

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 7:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Your probably right

Still a funny comment. Imagine his wife’s surprise…

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 22, 2012 7:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, it was me

Just being melodramatic.

Ah, neologisms and etymology. Only Thursty can deliver us from bad usage with such elan. I myself wanted to go after the old mistake of using “compliment” when “complement” is the correct word, but now I’m afraid of running afoul of Fly Agaric. Not sure “it’s just a sports blog” works to justify spelling and usage errors when we’re writing in public.

Oh well.

No. More. Stickyball.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 22, 2012 7:31 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't mind most of the errors

As we are typing quickly and can’t edit. But if you use loose for lose, lookout.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 22, 2012 7:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Y'all people

reely starting to loose you’re minds oveur this here gramaer stuff.

:D

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 7:43 PM MST up reply actions  

That is IT young lady.

Time to call Jeremy and complete negotiations.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 22, 2012 7:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Young lady...bahahahaha

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BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 8:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Also, I hate using the singular when talking about some teams

Like the Heat is playing the nuggets tonight. My journalist brother tells me there is no consensus on the issue.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 22, 2012 7:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Can't wait for Wednesday's game!

When the Nuggets is at Sacramento who is playing with gusto.

Atheist for Tim Tebow!

by CombatChuk on Jan 22, 2012 7:49 PM MST up reply actions  

The usual usage

… is that the British always refer to a team (and even bands) in the plural while Americans tend toward the singular but as you point out there doesn’t seem to be a consistency. What I would really like to see is some agreement in the same sentence. For example it sounds correct to most English speakers to say “The Celtics are playing the Nuggets” or “The Heat is playing the Thunder”. Those sound right because the names have agreement with the singular/plural usage. When it is mixed as in “The Heat is playing the Nuggets” then the agreement should probably be with the antecedent, just as you stated. However, if you do like the British do and always use the plural then you wind up getting used to it. On Wednesday we can say the Nuggets are playing the Kings but it does sound awkward to say that the “Nuggets is at Sacramento” even if it is in general use to refer to a team in the singular.
Long story short is that you can’t win with everyone no matter which way you go.

"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!"...
"Ohhh; the Denver Broncos?!?!?!" ...Homer Simpson
"Denver isn't considered a frontier maam, not these days"... Josh Randall (Steve McQueen) in an episode of Wanted Dead or Alive set in 1871, filmed in 1958.
"Denver, Colorado: one of the foremost sports centers in the country..." Narrator on the Bat Masterson TV show

by Thursty on Jan 22, 2012 9:37 PM MST up reply actions  

MELOdramatic?

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 7:44 PM MST up reply actions  

See, I wouldn't go after that

The compliment/complement thing is too close to a simple typo and contrary to popular belief; I don’t really go after the simple typos.

"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!"...
"Ohhh; the Denver Broncos?!?!?!" ...Homer Simpson
"Denver isn't considered a frontier maam, not these days"... Josh Randall (Steve McQueen) in an episode of Wanted Dead or Alive set in 1871, filmed in 1958.
"Denver, Colorado: one of the foremost sports centers in the country..." Narrator on the Bat Masterson TV show

by Thursty on Jan 22, 2012 9:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Ah, but it's not at all a simple typo

It’s an outright mistake.

No. More. Stickyball.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 23, 2012 10:10 AM MST up reply actions  

Not really a typo

But it is an easy mistake to make. A lot of people are mindful of there/their/they’re and two/too/to and even then still make the error typing in haste on a sports blog. Complement/compliment is nowhere near as common.

And the fact that Thursty himself says that he doesn’t go after simple typos, etc. just reinforces what I’ve been saying the last month or so.

Is your love worth the nausea it could bring?

by Fly Agaric on Jan 23, 2012 12:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Hahaha it worked

I got Thursty to come out from the rock he’s been hiding under. I rarely type words incorrectly, unless it is caused by the auto correct on my phone. That one was completely intentional. Nice to get Thursty’d for old times sake. You used to get me a lot when I was known as JR2

Formerly GForbesTheNuggetsAgentZero
Denver Nuggets dove c'e squadra nel basket
il gallo selvatico. Andare cazzi!!!!

by The U.N. Fab Five on Jan 22, 2012 6:54 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Can't believe I missed him

gonna need name tags at the next Stiffs night out!

Atheist for Tim Tebow!

by CombatChuk on Jan 23, 2012 9:04 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah but what if you misspell your name

You’ll be Thursty’d in person. That’s gonna suck.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 23, 2012 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, I got out from under my rock to go to Stiffs Night out.

You probably saw me there and didn’t know it was me. I was the big, tall grey haired guy sitting up front of the big TV, slouching down so others could see. Looks awful in the pictures.

"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!"...
"Ohhh; the Denver Broncos?!?!?!" ...Homer Simpson
"Denver isn't considered a frontier maam, not these days"... Josh Randall (Steve McQueen) in an episode of Wanted Dead or Alive set in 1871, filmed in 1958.
"Denver, Colorado: one of the foremost sports centers in the country..." Narrator on the Bat Masterson TV show

by Thursty on Jan 23, 2012 4:58 PM MST up reply actions  

I was stuck at the opposite end by the bar in the left corner.

Nice thing was that we had a 60" right in front of us.

Formerly GForbesTheNuggetsAgentZero
Denver Nuggets dove c'e squadra nel basket
il gallo selvatico. Andare cazzi!!!!

by The U.N. Fab Five on Jan 23, 2012 5:43 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I showed up late

I was stuck for the first half in presumably the same corner of the bar until a couple stools opened up. Dressed like a lumberjack.

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by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 24, 2012 8:22 AM MST up reply actions  

yep and the Knicks have another huge problem apart from chemistry

They signed Amare to a 5 yr 100 m$ contract and Amare 1) is not effective without a point guard and 2)Amare might be physically slowing down. The 1st can be remedied, the 2nd really cant be.

But Stan I did read NY columnists on these Knicks vs Nugs and frankly they are calling it pretty square. Mainly, the Nuggets are real good, Knicks stink, the trade stinks even more.

And you’re right, in the NBA you cant just slap talent together with no consideration of fit. Miami kind of did but thats because James is so great that he could win with average players. Add Wade & Bosch and you have a contender for years to come.

To restate, baseball is like arithmetic but basketball is chemistry and art combined.

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 4:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Great post!

We got the better end of that deal! Masai for GM of the Year!

Faried takes over for KMart
Hamilton will be better JR Smith
Marketing Director of the Mozgov Militia!

by SD_Nugget_Fan on Jan 22, 2012 5:55 PM MST up reply actions  

What a difference 11 months makes.

Reading this post caused me to search the archives and find the Denver Stiffs thread reacting to the Melo trade. (Here it is, if you’re also curious: http://www.denverstiffs.com/2011/2/21/2007087/open-thread-melo-trade-approaches)

People were so despondent. Almost everyone was convinced that we were going to flip all of our good pieces to contending teams and start a massive rebuild. To be honest, I felt much the same way.

Now look at where we are. So far, the trade has worked out better than I could have dreamed, and I’m having more fun watching the Nuggets than I ever have before.

I don’t know how the hell Josh and Masai turned the terrible hand they were dealt last season into a jackpot, but I’m certainly glad they did.

by Shoemaker on Jan 22, 2012 4:45 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

I will not be bashful in pointing out how happy I was(kidding, I will)

OK it was also the day of my birthday and the drama being over was a huge relief, but even though I hated the deal with NY until it happened there was a feeling I had that was telling me something very good just happened. But again that may just be because I turned 21 that day and finally it was over, but I’ll boast anyway at my awesome rationality in that thread.

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by Phil H. on Jan 22, 2012 11:01 PM MST up reply actions  

rec'd your post, thanks for pointing us down memory lane

I had two posts in that thread. One despondent one about Chauncey, the other telling a stupid shitty Laker fan to fuck himself sideways.

Nothing surprising, in other words.

Man, what a long ordeal that all was. I do find my bitterness about Melo ebbing pretty significantly. This team we have now is full of surprises, more pleasant than not, and Melo is starting to seem almost tragic.

"There's no way I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team' ... I was trying to beat those guys." -Michael Jordan

by ParkHillNative on Jan 22, 2012 11:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Even beore reading the post, I'll tell you what I knew and

came over to Stiiffs to relay as soon as I discovered y’all.

I basically stated that you have no idea what you were about to receive, especially Gallo and Will, a good PG in Felton and a raw but athletic & intriguing big Russian.

Here in NY, when I’d heard talk about Knicks just giving up “role” players (in contemptuous tones) I’ was just aghast.

You now know why.

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 4:50 PM MST reply actions  

Yeah

I almost feel a little guilty at this point. The Denver Nuggets front office got away with highway robbery here.

Ditto the trade of Felton for Miller.

Is your love worth the nausea it could bring?

by Fly Agaric on Jan 22, 2012 5:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Fine piece Andrew

Knick fans are always optimistic but some of the rapture that some Knick fans were feeling after trade was based on the distorted notion that Melo is a top 5 talent.

That was a view that was constantly blared by mainstream sports media especially ESPN. Yet there were many instances when same media would feature some sports geek who would present stats showing that Melo isnt that good. No one seemed to care about that.

I’ll come up with an example, and no I’m not going to cite source (you go and google it if you have time).

SportsNation had some stat guru on well after trade, who essentially showed how the Knicks are better when Melo is on the bench. Simple minded Colin and luscious Michelle could barely compose themselves enough to participate. Finally, a flummoxed Michelle said, “So wait, the Knicks are better without Carmelo.” “Yes”

Next show, both hosts were discussing which NBA player they’d start franchise with, blah, blah, you know, LebRon, blah blah. And then both agreed that Melo would be pretty much at the top. Fine, stick with your long held opinion but not even a mention of a long segment on the previous show.

Then there was a pretty smart NY sportscaster (Tom McDonald) who weighed in well after it seemed the Nugs were thriving, Knicks were not.

In response to a listeners suggestion that trade should not have been made, Tom said, “Nope, I dont agree. WE gave up role players and got a superstar and no matter what happens I will never ever change my mind on this issue.”

Never ever, huh? No matter what, huh?

That was the mindset here and in much of the media.

I could go on and on in the same vein. But I dont have 3 days.

Like a broken record, I will repeat these stats so no one could ever say they never knew.

Gallo 1.5 points per shot. Melo 1.25 points per shot. Most stars are at about 1.4 points per shot. Thats lifetime, Gallo is even better this year.

Notice I choose an offensive stat which is what Melo is supposed to excel in?

That was the Knick problem yesterday. Melo was so inefficient, Gallo was wildly efficient. It matters.

And, finally Melo presumed wonderful shooting% is just about the league average. I know Carmelo fans are shocked to consider this but I think Carmelo is an all arond average player who shoots around 10 more shots per game than the average player.

NOw this is really, final. For those who go on and on about how stats dont tell the whole story, please save your wind. When Melo fans talk about how great Melo is they always bring up stats. You know, 25 pts a game, 3rd in scoring, 1st in 4th quarter points etc.

Yes, yes I know, buit those are crude stats with no context. Go to more sophisticated stats and Melo doesnt look so good.

Now, its time for my nap.

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 5:23 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

nothing like hyping up players by saying how you would start a franchis with _____

OFF NOTE: in reality, using logic. you need a good frontcourt. look at utah flourishing essentually just because of their fantastic front duo of milsap, and jefferson. If you really want to start your franchise with any player at all you go for the best center, so Dwight howard, or shaq, in his prime etc. SO really, it’s howard and no debating it from there

by TyLawesome on Jan 22, 2012 10:04 PM MST up reply actions  

agree

a great center will undo lots of other problems. I remember when we played Magic in Orlando last year, barely lost, Jameer with last second 3, but, anyway, Nuggets had to be conscious of Dwight every second that he played because he exerts so powerful an effect. Every shot we took was with one eye on, “Where’s Dwight?”

But the dominating big man is almost extinct.

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 10:26 PM MST up reply actions  

remember who hit 2 free throw to tie the game with 4 seconds remaining?

because I do

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by LaimbeersGuardianAngel on Jan 23, 2012 3:35 PM MST up reply actions  

We got the Moz now

Who didn’t play in that game, but will be a factor against an offensively inept Howard.

Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'

by JR15 on Jan 23, 2012 4:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Most are on put back dunks, alley-oops, and FTs

Or sky hook shots that can be detered by a big center. He really doesn’t have much of a post presence if you can make him miss his skyhook. That isn’t too hard btw, even the Birdman who is an overrated defender held Dwight to 7 points when Superman came to Denver.
If you eliminate the alley-oops and putback dunks Dwight is offensively inept.

Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'

by JR15 on Jan 23, 2012 4:16 PM MST up reply actions  

good post

Obviously there’s a lot to what you’re saying.

Unbelievably, I am going to defend Melo a teeny bit, by pointing out that although I don’t miss him at all, I do think he has great talent, and his problems come from a bad mindset. Every once in a while we’d see him decide to put some energy into defense, and he’d look great for a minute or two.

Also, I’ll never forget this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivb7OtW8rpg

Why didn’t/doesn’t he do more stuff like that? If he played hard (and smart) on defense, and did more stuff like that, he’d be a top 5 player in the league for sure.

"There's no way I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team' ... I was trying to beat those guys." -Michael Jordan

by ParkHillNative on Jan 23, 2012 12:00 AM MST up reply actions  

Ditto, Andrew agree with your excellent analysis

Thought I’d add this Nugget while contemplating when Mike D’Antoni will be fired:
"Maybe I need to not take so many shots. I don’t know. That’s just a bunch of stuff that goes through my mind. Just coming down, taking less shots, just figuring out ways, how to make other guys better. Should I pass it more?"

Well perhaps Melo should just think back to the days when he had a coach who would actually stand up to him and say, “Don’t play sticky offense.” I know there are a lot of GK critics and sometimes I am one of them, especially in terms of developing the full potential of the bench, but he’s always been a 7-8 rotation coach and that’s what we have. However, GK has the balls to stand up to anyone and ask them to play defense. See Ray Allen, Sean Kemp and other offensive stars. I’ve written before here and will do so again that when it’s all over, Melo will look fondly back at his Denver days.

The other thing that stands out to me in his interview is that Melo doesn’t mention defense; as if it isn’t even in his consciousness.

Gallo showed us a glimpse of his potential in NY. He’s only, what, 22? So he will have to learn to bring it every night if he wants to be a star in this league. Yet he did show that he can play defense; he was guarding the best offensive player, Melo, and didn’t do a bad job. Note that Melo is so egocentric that he didn’t even mention the defense that Gallo was playing on him. Here you have to give GK some credit as well. He’s motivating Gallo to step it up on defense, something he always had but was never really challenged to play.

"When I played, this is how I liked to play," Karl said. "It’s a combination of North Carolina, Phoenix Suns, Doug Moe. There is a commitment to running all the time."
Smith's mistakes throughout the series have bothered Karl. "And then, of course the one with eight seconds to go, from 50 feet," Karl said. "I just love the dignity of the game being insulted right in front of me."

by Plea for Intelligence on Jan 23, 2012 9:16 AM MST up reply actions  

I think Gallo's 23

But anyway, good post — I should’ve noticed that Melo said nothing about defense in his postgame comments.

"There's no way I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team' ... I was trying to beat those guys." -Michael Jordan

by ParkHillNative on Jan 23, 2012 12:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Given your SN

I take it you have been watching the Republican debates.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 23, 2012 1:23 PM MST up reply actions  

I loved when in the early debates

John Hunstman made a comment regarding the GOP to the tune of, ‘people, we cannot be known as the anti-science party.’

Too bad no one listened to him.

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by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 23, 2012 1:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Artimus! Was good to see you at SNO and Erick too!

by Nate Timmons on Jan 23, 2012 1:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, definitely!

Too bad we showed up late and stuck ourselves at the other side of the bar. It was just too good a game to spend mingling ; ) I can’t wait for the next SNO, it was good to see a few familiar faces and see the Nuggets gut out the win.

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by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 24, 2012 8:24 AM MST up reply actions  

But

People die in America because people die in America.

You can’t explain that!

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 23, 2012 1:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Hahaha

"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
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by love4nuggets on Jan 23, 2012 3:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Corporations are people, my friend.

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by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 23, 2012 3:48 PM MST up reply actions  

I like to fire people!

Is your love worth the nausea it could bring?

by Fly Agaric on Jan 23, 2012 3:50 PM MST up reply actions  

I especially liked it when they boo'd the golden rule

Isn’t do unto others as you would have them do unto you in a book they seem to have in high regard?

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 23, 2012 3:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Mmmmm Andrew quotes from before the Melo trade.
And thus for the Knicks to suggest that the Nuggets’ trade demands for their best player in a generation is too “steep” is ludicrous. Absolutely ludicrous. The Knicks either want Melo or they don’t, and if they do want him they’ll have to pay handsomely for him. (Even if “handsomely” to the Knicks really means 30 cents-on-the-dollar to the Nuggets in the form of Felton, Landry Fields, Danilo Gallinari and Eddy Curry’s expiring corpse.)
Danilo Gallinari is a terrible defender

Funny what retrospect can do to you.

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by CloudBurst on Jan 22, 2012 5:28 PM MST reply actions  

I cant resist

Look as to Andrew’s assertions, they were so frequently repeated that even inquiring minds picked up on them.

But really, there are hundreds of false assertions that derive from just the premise that Carmelo is an all world talent. So I;m sure lots of people said stuff that now appear to be ludicrous.

But the part that really galls me most is that Gallo supposedly cant play defense. I cant help but believe, and not be able to prove, that its because Gallo is European, ie white.

Listen to broadcasters and notice how conveniently announcers constantly peg whites as not athletic, cant play dee and black players are rarely credited with succeeding because they are smart. Reality is more complex.

They are biases in which the only winners are caricaturists.

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 5:55 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

damn straight

although jimmer doesn’t really do to much to disprove the stereotype

"When you're in Pittsburgh, if you get hit by a bus your mother calls you a faggot."

by LaimbeersGuardianAngel on Jan 23, 2012 3:38 PM MST up reply actions  

That IS a 30-cents-on-the-dollar deal (at least at the time)

But by getting Moz and Chandler plus Koufos thrown in, we did a lot better.

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by Andrew Feinstein on Jan 22, 2012 6:21 PM MST up reply actions  

This

Completely different than the actual trade.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 22, 2012 6:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Great Post Andrew

Very “Andrewesk” if I do say so myself…

by Russell Ray on Jan 22, 2012 5:51 PM MST reply actions  

watch this your about to get Thursty'd:

it would be “Andrewesque”

"When you're in Pittsburgh, if you get hit by a bus your mother calls you a faggot."

by LaimbeersGuardianAngel on Jan 23, 2012 3:42 PM MST up reply actions  

He knows EXACTLY what he is doing

I’m a fan.

Is your love worth the nausea it could bring?

by Fly Agaric on Jan 23, 2012 3:48 PM MST up reply actions  

He was taking a swing at me.

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by The U.N. Fab Five on Jan 23, 2012 4:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Nah

Supporting if anything… I hated English. Still do. Too many rules. As long as someone gets their point across I think that is good English. Go Nugs!

by Russell Ray on Jan 23, 2012 9:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes!

That’s all I’m saying.

Mind, I like English and all that stuff. I just think the invoking of Thursty’s name at every typo or word mix-up is somewhat overwrought. Even Thursty himself says that he doesn’t bother with obvious typos.

Go Nuggets! I hear they are rather good.

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by Fly Agaric on Jan 23, 2012 11:30 PM MST up reply actions  

I was at last night's game

and HOLY cow was it intense. I’ve never felt more uneasy in my entire life. It was kinda disappointing to hear the crowd boo Gallo every time he went to the foul line, but I kinda get it since he pretty much won the game last night. The only time in the entire game that I felt at ease was when Big Al nailed that last three in double OT, I pumped my fist to myself in victory, but not big enough to get my @$$ beat by the NY fans. They are quite the rowdy bunch.

by DeezNuggs on Jan 22, 2012 6:34 PM MST reply actions  

Hey Deez

Dont be surprised about crowd reaction to gallo. Gallo only played 2 years in NY (he was out half of rookie year due to back problems), was a very controversial draft pick, and opinions on how good he was and of potential was very split.

Many NYers are simply in love with Carmelo and saw and see Gallo as a joke compared to Melo.

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 10:34 PM MST up reply actions  

what section were you sitting in?

I was in platinum 107 seats sitting behind a pimp named rondell and his 3 hoes from denver…. anyway I loudly cheered for Denver the whole game and did not once feel as if I was in danger

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by LaimbeersGuardianAngel on Jan 23, 2012 3:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Looks like the Heat lost to the Bucks in MIA

Makes that NOH loss feel less bad. I would prefer to have the Utah and NOH as wins, but it is good to get the bad wins out of the way early so we don’t repeat it in the future.

Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'

by JR15 on Jan 22, 2012 6:50 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

Yeah, those losses to New Orleans and the Jazz still irritate me, but..

The Nuggs clearly bring it in big games, at home and on the road. Nice to see Sheridan put Denver at #4 in today’s power rankings. I would call this season a great success if we make the WCF against OKC, and be in the Final Four with OKC, Miami and Chicago. I suspect we will battle Portland and Memphis for that other WCF slot.

by ACEIII on Jan 22, 2012 7:00 PM MST up reply actions  

It Will be Interesting to See What Masai Does with Chandler

Is he able to accept the Qualifying Offer this far into the season? Or, will he be a RFA next season too? He kind of plays the same position as Gallo, but can play some 2 and 4, and would be amazing to have off the bench. With Brewer’s emergence, I suspect Masai is working on a sign and trade with Chandler’s agent, and will try to get a good draft pick for him. Just a guess, though.

by ACEIII on Jan 22, 2012 6:57 PM MST reply actions  

Not sure if he would be an ufa or not.

I am hoping he will be part of a trade package. Maybe to facilitate a Howard trade.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 22, 2012 7:36 PM MST up reply actions  

he'll certainly play it close to the vest

We may need Will if someone gets hurt (hopefully that doesn’t happen). Given the quality of the upcoming draft could he get us a high lottery pick on his own? I don’t think theres a huge market for him. Perhaps but doubtful.

by InboundingLobPass on Jan 22, 2012 7:50 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I am hoping for a package

For a backup c or pf. Maybe the injured c in NJ in a Howard trade. Orlando wants veterans.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 22, 2012 7:51 PM MST up reply actions  

so we get Brooke Lopez

NJ Gets Howard
ORL GETS ILL WILL, K2, Birdman, Carroll, 2nd rounders?

by InboundingLobPass on Jan 22, 2012 8:07 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

LOL

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 8:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah ACE

the Chandler question is very interesting to see how Masai handles it.

My hope is that he at least stays with us for this season because I respect his all around talent and beastly physical ability.

But much might depend on how Brewer, Rudy and Al play because if Brew plays well, really, Chandler becomes expendable.

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 10:36 PM MST up reply actions  

OT in SF

AoN must be going bonkers

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 8:09 PM MST reply actions  

I don't know.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 8:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh no. FUMBLE :(

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 8:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Why don't they just kick the FG?

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 8:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Fumble please fumble

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 8:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Don't know

Asking for trouble. Come on fumble

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 22, 2012 8:32 PM MST up reply actions  

That's what I was hoping for

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 8:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Block it! Block it!

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 8:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Bahhahhaa Delay of Game LOL

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 8:33 PM MST up reply actions  

They deserve to lose just for that alone

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 8:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Ugh. I hate both the Giants and the Patriots

Go Pats I guess

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 8:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Yup heartbreaking loss

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 8:35 PM MST up reply actions  

OT: Both Giants and Pats got lucky

Feel bad for Billy Cundiff and Kyle Williams right now.
It could just as easily been a Harbaugh matchup in the Super Bowl if a probowl kicker hit a FG he normally hits and a punt returner just moves one more centimeter away from the ball on the ground.

Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'

by JR15 on Jan 22, 2012 8:48 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

Get Kyle Williams a security escort out of there

49er fans are going NUTS on their blog. I feel for them.. they seem like how people react when they find out their pet hamster died.

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by CloudBurst on Jan 22, 2012 8:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Yup

Sometimes when I watch NFL, I can’t help but think the fix is in. Sometimes it seems about as real as professional wrestling.

Meh.

Is your love worth the nausea it could bring?

by Fly Agaric on Jan 22, 2012 8:49 PM MST up reply actions  

I would like to call attention to the fact that higher up in the thread, I have reverse thursty'd thursty himself.

This has long been a dream of mine, and I feel it is a momentous event in denver stiffs history. Now, I am ready to be showered with roses and exaltations!

by Rainbow skyline on Jan 22, 2012 8:48 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Oh really?

Is your love worth the nausea it could bring?

by Fly Agaric on Jan 22, 2012 8:50 PM MST up reply actions  

And there was much rejoicing.

yea

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 8:52 PM MST up reply actions  

ZOMG I want to poke Terry Bradshaw in the nose.

So annoying.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 8:52 PM MST reply actions  

God no.

It’s only newly shaved heads with about 1/8 inch hair growth that matters to me.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 8:57 PM MST up reply actions  

1/8? on a bald head?

So like a giant Peach?

Atheist for Tim Tebow!

by CombatChuk on Jan 22, 2012 8:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Exactly!

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 8:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Hey it's San Diego! Everyone wave at me! I'm waving back

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 8:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Which Nugget would you say

has the most rub-able head?

Is your love worth the nausea it could bring?

by Fly Agaric on Jan 22, 2012 8:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Big Al

No Doubt

Atheist for Tim Tebow!

by CombatChuk on Jan 22, 2012 8:59 PM MST up reply actions  

NOOOO not enough hair

I might as well rub a turtle

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 9:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Cat

whats wrong with rubbing turtles?

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 9:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Well nothing per se

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 9:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Righto

I rub my turtle when everyone is out of the room all the time. “Here Tom, come her big boy, ohhhh, dont be shy..” Gotta go!

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 9:52 PM MST up reply actions  

I doo

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 9:00 PM MST up reply actions  

I gotta say about Nene

I’m a pretty secure man, you know, around my equator, but Nene looks real, ah, whats the word? stylish, in the new NBA TV promos for The Association. I mean, I know a lot of you like Gallo and all but Nene looks kind of elegant.

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 9:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Dude. Seriously.

Like model worthy

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 9:49 PM MST up reply actions  

right? right?

I’m so glad someone else saw that, cause I was wondering why there wasnt a stir about it in Stiffsville.

Now I really cant wait to watch that program.

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 9:58 PM MST up reply actions  

I remember it vividly. In fact I think I commented on that outfit during the game.

He was wearing it while he was sitting behind the bench.

I was like WHOAAAAAA…….He really is a beautiful man.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 10:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Also,

a stir in Stiffsville…../snort

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 10:03 PM MST up reply actions  

cat, I'm not sure if

I have no idea what you meant or if I understood it completely

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 10:07 PM MST up reply actions  

It's okay.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 10:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh I can't say. Because I've not

seen all of the them with shaved heads

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 8:59 PM MST up reply actions  

I hate the whole Fox crew!

I always watch the CBS gang. Far less annoying. I used to prefer ESPN back in the day when Steve Young and Sterling Sharpe were in studio with Boomer and TJ. That show is unwatchable now that they stretched it to three hours. It’s filled with boring interviews and fluff pieces.

by KenInCO on Jan 22, 2012 10:01 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm really glad NBC has the Super Bowl to be honest.

I watch the CBS crew too. Shannon Sharpe cracks me up.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 10:05 PM MST up reply actions  

I dunno. Jim Nantz irritates me. bit to melodramatic sometimes.

and I can’t get help but think he’d rather be calling a golf tournament than the nfl.

by river-z on Jan 22, 2012 11:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Did you know he's manic depressive?

He’s on antidepresants. That’s why he acts like that. I’m not kidding.

by InboundingLobPass on Jan 22, 2012 10:48 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

So?

We need to get rid of the stigma with mental illness. Heck, we need to recognize that it isn’t even “illness” so much as different people have a whole range of different brain chemistries.

Anyway.

Is your love worth the nausea it could bring?

by Fly Agaric on Jan 22, 2012 11:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Come on Pacers

beat the Lake show.

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by CloudBurst on Jan 22, 2012 9:44 PM MST reply actions  

ooooh baby, close game

BTW, I’m still afraid of the Thunder especially because of Harden, a terrific, cool, young player. But I have little fear of the Lakers

Has anyone mentioned that P Jackson has interest in coaching the Knicks?

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 9:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Kobe's all WTF and literally scratching his head...That made me chuckle

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 10:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Serious question:

do you think the Lakers look to make a change at coach? I know Brown hasn’t been there that long, but LA is not used to this kind of performance.

by Russscot on Jan 22, 2012 10:08 PM MST up reply actions  

No I don't think so.

It’s too early to make that kind of change. Maybe in the off season but not during the season.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 10:09 PM MST up reply actions  

it's the lack of depth

they’ve really bleed since the 10 season. kobe, pau, and bynum are the only players on their roster who i believe should be playing in the nba. Maybe artest too

by TyLawesome on Jan 22, 2012 10:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Metta Whirrled Peas, please.

And he’s at the same stage of his career as Bird, imo. His body just doesn’t have it to do what he used to hang his hat on; namely, playing lock down defense from the 3pt line on in.

by Russscot on Jan 22, 2012 10:13 PM MST up reply actions  

what about Steve Blake?

Kinda liked him while he was our player.

That was several years ago of course.

by InboundingLobPass on Jan 22, 2012 10:53 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I like Blake, but his game is what it is, and that's pretty limited.

He gets the most out of his talent, but he’s pretty much mashed potatoes sans gravy.

by Russscot on Jan 23, 2012 9:27 AM MST up reply actions  

Haha. Lakers lose!

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by SDcat09 on Jan 22, 2012 10:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Ahahaha

I actually wouldn’t really be afraid to play the Lakers in the playoffs, unless they have a certain Dwight Howar on their team and they don’t give up too much to get him, like Bynum+Luke Walton for Howard.

The Pacers on the other hand are not surprising me, in my Eastern conference preview with Andrew, I had the Pacers at the 3rd seed this year. They would be extremely good with Rondo as their point guard though.

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by CloudBurst on Jan 22, 2012 10:13 PM MST up reply actions  

IMPOSSIBLE!

Dont the Lakers have an all time superstar? A near superstar? And yet, he missed last second tie attempt. How is that possible? How is that possible? Mmmmm…

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 10:13 PM MST up reply actions  

OK, cool

just when you think a team or 2 is dropping out of playoff contention, here they come again.

Gawd, the West is tough! From 4 – 8 is going to be a dogfight.

And honestly, good as we are, I have no real sense as to where we are going to place.

by sgiustra on Jan 22, 2012 10:42 PM MST up reply actions  

i have a good confidence that we'll be in that top 4

at least that’s the feeling i got after watching this first quarter of games

by TyLawesome on Jan 22, 2012 10:53 PM MST up reply actions  

speaking of teams sucking on the road

the holy roman empire match the lakers with their own 1-6 record

by TyLawesome on Jan 22, 2012 10:20 PM MST reply actions  

to put it mildly

after the next two games, we barely have an easy win until early march.

by Rainbow skyline on Jan 22, 2012 10:36 PM MST up reply actions  

the stretch where we play b2b2b at the beginning of Feb is awful

feb 2 @ clippers
feb 3 lakers
feb 4 @ portland

gonna get a taste of that “west coast coming back to Denver” that all the other teams dread. and then they have to got back to the west coast the next day! brutal.

by river-z on Jan 22, 2012 11:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Well the Nuggets do get up for tough teams

So they may do better than people think in February.

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by JR15 on Jan 22, 2012 11:32 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

That they do

besides the Lakers haven’t been playing too well and Chris Paul is still out from that groin injury

by donwoe on Jan 23, 2012 12:13 AM MST up reply actions  

That Lakers game has L written all over it

West coast late game followed by mile high game. I’m not sure of the stats but I know someone else will post the exact record. Something like a 10% winning record on the second night.

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by The U.N. Fab Five on Jan 23, 2012 10:16 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Does that schedule make any sense at all?

Why in LA, then back in Denver? Why not just stay in LA and then fly to Portland? The worst possible home game squeeze in the league. Thanks NBA….who should be on the Stiff list that week.

by Pusherman on Jan 23, 2012 10:48 AM MST up reply actions  

I know

It is one of those times where you’d rather just play a road game than have the unnecessary travel back to Denver.

Ugh.

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by Fly Agaric on Jan 23, 2012 11:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Not to espouse conspiracy theories,

but this is really a brutal b2b2b, not to mention that the Nuggets are one of only a handful of teams that have two b2b2b’s on their schedule. I would have definitely raised holy hell with the league offices when the schedule came out if I were in a position of authority with the Nuggets.

by Russscot on Jan 23, 2012 11:49 AM MST up reply actions  

more on the sked

Not only did the league not reschedule Melo’s return to Denver, but to fricken put the game in NY as the last of 4 out of 5 nights in 4 different cities was just brutal. The league did everything they could to put this on a silver platter for the Knicks, and the Nugs still won.

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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 23, 2012 12:20 PM MST up reply actions  

The Posting & Toasting folks miss Gallo

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2012/1/22/2724298/nuggets-119-knicks-114-2ot-that-was-heartbreaking#89498847

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by ParkHillNative on Jan 23, 2012 12:31 AM MST reply actions  

Excellent.

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by stan_26 on Jan 23, 2012 1:40 AM MST via iPhone app up reply actions  

haha remember last year when Amare had like 10 game stretch of 30+ or 35+ points??? All we heard was Amare is amazing, remember the part that the opposing power forward was also scoring like 30+ points against him because his defense was horrible? yeahhhhhhhhhh about that

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 23, 2012 6:56 AM MST reply actions  

Great game on Saturday night

I’m finally over my hard feelings, it took awhile, but Saturday was very therapeutic for me. I’m so proud of this team and what they’ve accomplished coming from 1 year ago this time. Most teams would’ve been crushed by the weight of the drama and they’ve come through shinning. Don’t get me wrong, I want the Nuggets to beat the Knicks everytime they play, but hard feelings are gone and I’m looking towards the future w/ this exciting team. To this I say thank you Melo for putting the Nuggets back on the bball map & thank you for the trade to NYK, may it be all that you wanted and hoped for……GO NUGGETS

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by NewEraNugg on Jan 23, 2012 9:47 AM MST reply actions  

FINISH JANUARY STRONG!

letsgo!!!!

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by 808inDenver on Jan 23, 2012 10:09 AM MST reply actions  

9 of our next 10 games against Western Conf teams

currently, we’re only 5-5 against the western conference. 7-0 against eastern conference. lets get these Ws against western conference teams, since there are the teams we gotta beat in the playoffs.

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by 808inDenver on Jan 23, 2012 10:41 AM MST reply actions  

is it just me

or did a bunch of posts get deleted from this thread?

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by ParkHillNative on Jan 23, 2012 10:49 AM MST reply actions  

i think the mods delete OT posts

lots of my posts always get deleted lmao

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by 808inDenver on Jan 23, 2012 10:54 AM MST up reply actions  

huh, ok

I could swear sgiustra had a post where he was criticizing Melo’s talent and I gave a response late last night, and was looking forward to continuing the discussion today. Maybe I just dreamed it.

Didn’t seem off-topic… weird.

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by ParkHillNative on Jan 23, 2012 11:21 AM MST up reply actions  

I just can't find any of the new post

Even stuff posted this morning before I woke up has been marked as read.

Even though I didn’t read it.

And if they delete the off-topic stuff, why is all the playoff football conversation still here?

Was there a big nasty fight last night or something?

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by Fly Agaric on Jan 23, 2012 11:35 AM MST up reply actions  

That's what I was wondering

Did something devolve into a bunch of name-calling or whatever.

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by ParkHillNative on Jan 23, 2012 11:40 AM MST up reply actions  

Not that I saw.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 23, 2012 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

no no, sorry,

I found it, the stuff I was thinking of is not deleted. Sorry for the false alarm.

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by ParkHillNative on Jan 23, 2012 1:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Stein's Power Rankings...

have the Nuggets third, behind the Bulls and the Heat, but ahead of the Thunder. Love the respect, but not sure they should be that high. Thoughts?

by Russscot on Jan 23, 2012 11:45 AM MST reply actions  

somehow slipped from 6th to 8th in Hollinger rankings, after winning

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by ParkHillNative on Jan 23, 2012 12:05 PM MST up reply actions  

That's based on the SOS of our opponents.

We’re beating the teams we should beat, though. Philly is the only “quality” win on this trip according to Hollinger’s statistics

by Russscot on Jan 23, 2012 12:08 PM MST up reply actions  

And, oddly enough

Philly didn’t drop at all, as Hollinger ranks them the No. 2 team over all.

Hmm.

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by Fly Agaric on Jan 23, 2012 12:13 PM MST up reply actions  

philly is still really high

because their point differential is rediculous from feasting on the bottom of the league in the beginning of the season. give it a few more games and some wins against teams with better records and we’ll be near the top

by swmrkev on Jan 23, 2012 12:34 PM MST up reply actions  

I seem to remember OKC losing to Washington and not dropping, either

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by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 23, 2012 1:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Not in Hollinger's rankings

He’s all cold, calculated numbers.

But a lot of the more subjective rankings did drop OKC, hence Denver’s bump.

Are they forgetting that Denver has a bad loss too? And Denver lost at home not less.

Just saying: Denver’s bad loss > OKC’s bad loss.

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by Fly Agaric on Jan 23, 2012 1:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Subjective?

Rankings aren’t subjective, they are facts! Nuggets the second best team in the league so far, it’s right there on the screen!

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 23, 2012 2:00 PM MST up reply actions  

exactly

anything you read on the internet should be taken as absolute gospel

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by ParkHillNative on Jan 23, 2012 2:07 PM MST up reply actions  

OMG

I am totally ordering those pills!

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by Fly Agaric on Jan 23, 2012 2:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Haha, almost didn't get past my sarcasm detector when i read your reply

In so far (insofar, Thursty?) as you think the factors chosen, and their weightings, are correct. Anything that has the Nuggets less than #1 is clearly a broken model. CLEARLY.

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by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 23, 2012 2:09 PM MST up reply actions  

but anyway

This team is a puzzle and this season is bizarre. They just won 4 consecutive road games in 5 nights, but they’re not playing good defense consistently, and their half-court offense is awful. I don’t really know what to think, but a whole bunch of road wins in a row like that sure feels good.

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by ParkHillNative on Jan 23, 2012 12:08 PM MST up reply actions  

I think the most positive sign

is that they’re learning to win games. By that I mean that when they’re not hitting on all cylinders, they are still able to find a way to be close enough to give themselves a chance to win at the end. Truthfully, this road trip could just as easily be 0-4 at this point. I also like that we’re seeing signs that we don’t necessarily need to have just one end of game “go to” guy, but rather can simply ride the hot hand.

by Russscot on Jan 23, 2012 12:14 PM MST up reply actions  

The amazing thing to me is that they are winning with a big chunk of their payroll, Nene and AAA, not contributing too much. If and when both of those guys are fully healthy, in better condition, and in synch, look out.

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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 23, 2012 12:17 PM MST up reply actions  

When this team is playing their game well in all facets, they are scary good.

The key is that – as a young team – they are still learning how to bring that intensity every night (as evinced by the Hornets loss and, to some extent, the Jazz home loss). As they become more attuned to each other as a team, I see this aspect continuing to improve.

by Russscot on Jan 23, 2012 12:20 PM MST up reply actions  

I will contend Nene is playing well

And we will probably get 15 and 8 or 9 from him. Don’t expect anymore from him, but that is a good role for him and it fits this team well.
However, Moz will step his game up and we will have a solid C/PF combo hopefully for years to come. Almost like ZBo and Gasol except Nene plays good D and that doesn’t show up in the stats the way ZBo’s 20/10 show up (but yet the Grizzlies do well when he is not playing).

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by JR15 on Jan 23, 2012 12:43 PM MST up reply actions  

I think he's playing well more often than not

I tend to think it would’ve been easier to beat the Wizards if he’d played at least 20 minutes. Javale McGee was kind of running circles around Moz.

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by ParkHillNative on Jan 23, 2012 12:50 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree for the most part on Nene. But he has missed some games, and there are still times when I wish he’d be more aggressive on offense. But overall he has played pretty well.

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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 23, 2012 12:50 PM MST up reply actions  

riding the hot hand

I do love the way a different guy was the hero every night in those last 4 wins. Brewer, Miller, Big Al, then Gallo.

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by ParkHillNative on Jan 23, 2012 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

another thing to think about

I don’t think we’d be 12-5 with Felton instead of Andre on the roster.

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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 23, 2012 12:54 PM MST up reply actions  

yeah

we’re giving up the 3rd most points in the nba.

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by 808inDenver on Jan 23, 2012 12:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah

Denver started playing some of the best defense while playing some of the best offense.

We all knew that wasn’t going to last. But it would be encouraging to see this defensive intensity return. Until AAA gets healthy, that is a steep hill to climb.

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by Fly Agaric on Jan 23, 2012 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

ppg is a skewed statistic

looking at defensive efficiency (points per 100 possessions) and the nuggets are 12th in the nba. we have more points scored on us because we play at a faster pace and score so often. not saying our defense is amazing, but its better than the ppg numbers make it out to be

by swmrkev on Jan 23, 2012 12:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Agree

More experts are looking at the defensive efficiency as the key stat vs. opponent ppg. If we can get into the top 5 def efficiency, keep our 1st place in pace, and stay around top 5 in off efficiency we will be an elite team for sure.
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by JR15 on Jan 23, 2012 12:46 PM MST up reply actions  

and for some reason

every team is shooting like 65% against us in the first half recently. well, probably not, but it really feels that way.

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by 808inDenver on Jan 23, 2012 12:16 PM MST up reply actions  

still sort of facepalming

over all those 3’s the Nets put in, but luckily there’s lots of positive stuff to wash taht down with.

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by ParkHillNative on Jan 23, 2012 12:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Ziller at SB Nation

Also has Denver at no. 3.

OKC is definitely getting some tsk tsk’ing for losing to the Wizards.

In the end, things will even out. OKC will end up on top in the west and Denver will settle somewhere in the top four. But don’t be surprised to see Denver suffer accordingly from the brutal schedule in Feb.

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by Fly Agaric on Jan 23, 2012 12:26 PM MST up reply actions  

We do well against good teams

And luckily February is full of good teams. Its the bad teams I am worried about. But it is yet to be seen as you say.

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by JR15 on Jan 23, 2012 12:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Hmm

San Antonio, Portland, Utah, and Lakers are all good teams. Sure, the Lakers are struggling right now, but they are good enough to qualify as good in my metric (above .500 and likely playoff team).

I don’t dispute that Denver plays better against good teams. The @Portland and @LALakers losses were close and the result of poor closing more than anything and the Spurs game swa the Nuggets almost catch up after spotting San Antonio a big lead.

I’m just saying, the Nuggets can still play well on the road on the second night of a back-to-back, but if they are playing @Portland, @Dallas after playing the night before like they do in February, it isn’t going to be as easy as say, the New York Knicks.

And I don’t know if you noticed, but a 2OT thriller against a sub .500 team isn’t easy.

Denver has some home games following back-to-backs, and some of those aren’t easy either: the Lakers, the Spurs, the T-Wolves. No joke there. The Wolves can be dangerous.

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by Fly Agaric on Jan 23, 2012 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

The Knicks that played us wasn't a sub 500 team

They all came to play and wanted to play well for Melo to prove that the trade wasn’t bad. That team that played us would have beat the Bobcats, and Bucks. They tried playing D, and were not the Knicks that looked disinterested in the other games of that 5 game losing streak.
To be able to weather that emotion of their talented frontcourt and still win says a lot about the Nuggets.

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by JR15 on Jan 23, 2012 1:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Playing only 7 guys in a double OT game. In the 4th game of a 5-night road trip. Pretty amazing win, overall.

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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 23, 2012 1:22 PM MST up reply actions  

totally

a reall gutty win, amazing that they pulled it out in double OT on a 4th game in 5 nights — I don’t care what the Knicks’ record is and how bad they’re struggling, that was a great great win.

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by ParkHillNative on Jan 23, 2012 1:27 PM MST up reply actions  

They were 6-9 before the game

That’s sub .500.

I know they were motivated and ready to go and played a solid game. Not trying to take anything away from New York. But they are what their record says: a sub .500 team.

And I stand by my point that things won’t be so easy in February when the Spurs, Lakers, Mavericks, Blazers face the Nuggets. Pretty sure all these teams will be motivated, too.

I think the Nuggets will be very lucky to win 10 games in February. But: I didn’t think they’d go 4-0 during this road trip, either.

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by Fly Agaric on Jan 23, 2012 1:28 PM MST up reply actions  

And they are doing it in the East

With a ton of crappy teams, they are still 6-10. Not good.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 23, 2012 1:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Probasketballtalk has them at 2
2. Nuggets (12-5, LW 7). Winners of four in a row on an East Coast swing, highlighted by Danilo Gallinari (37 points, 11 boards) outplaying Carmelo Anthony in New York. They are doing it by getting shots at the rim — Denver takes 44.3 percent of its shots within five feet of the rim, by far the highest percentage in the league (as noted by John Schuhmann at NBA.com). The League average is around 32 percent.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 23, 2012 1:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Not to denegrate our team or the way they're playing,

but #2 is too high, imo. 4-5 range feels right to me.

by Russscot on Jan 23, 2012 1:36 PM MST up reply actions  

I tend to agree

2 or 3 feel too high for me. Are we seeing a changing of the guard? Are the Spurs/Lakers/Celtics paper tigers at this point? Still feels too early to declare that.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 23, 2012 1:39 PM MST up reply actions  

The Lakers and Celtics will make the playoffs,

but I don’t see either having the depth/stamina to make a deep run this year. The Spurs are intriguing, in that – outside of their big 3 – they are much younger and more athletic than they’ve been in years. And with Pop behind the bench, I could still see them making a bunch of noise in the post season.

by Russscot on Jan 23, 2012 1:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Spurs have one win on the road

something silly like 1-7 or 1-9. Not a recipe for playoff success. But every year people pronounce them dead, then there they are again come playoff time.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 23, 2012 1:51 PM MST up reply actions  

i think

they are a 6-8 seed and nothing more. I believe the top 8 teams in the west in order are: OKC, Denver, LAC, Dallas, Memphis, Utah, San Anton, Portland

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 23, 2012 1:56 PM MST up reply actions  

I'll just file that one away

to pound you with later in the year. Either that, or you will change your SN to Nuggetstradamus.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 23, 2012 1:59 PM MST up reply actions  

I predict

San Anton will not finish higher than 6. Book it. So far on bold predictions at least on SB blogs I am 1-0…. I made a prediction that someone called me out on and booked me on, on the Avs blog and so far I am right on with my prediction ;)

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 PM MST up reply actions  

If it finishes the way you suggest

It’s Karl vs. Popovich in the first round. Not good.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 23, 2012 2:02 PM MST up reply actions  

No it would be this

1. OKC
2. LAC
3. Dal
4. Den
5. Mem
6. Utah
7. San Anton
8. Portland

with Denver playing Memphis… it’s division winners 1-3 then best record after that

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 23, 2012 2:05 PM MST up reply actions  

In my best SDcat: LHWYA

Division winners only guaranteed a top 4 seed. If Denver finishes with the second best record, they are the two seed regardless of division.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 23, 2012 2:11 PM MST up reply actions  

if the Nugs keep leaving shooters open at the 3-point line

then playing the Spurs in the 1st round could be disastrous. shudder

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by ParkHillNative on Jan 23, 2012 2:13 PM MST up reply actions  

my bad

guess i need to check up on the rules haha but i believe that is how the NHL playoff works. But interesting… regardless, I’d rather play San Anton than Memphis especially with HC advantage… San Antons road record only speaks for itself and Denver tends to be pretty good at Home

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 23, 2012 2:14 PM MST up reply actions  

I think they changed it

after a year in which the Nuggets got the three seed as division winner and a team with a much better record got bumped to four.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 23, 2012 2:16 PM MST up reply actions  

thanks

for the clarification

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 23, 2012 2:18 PM MST up reply actions  

I think the rule is that division winners get no lower than 4th

so Denver would be #2 as it stands now. I think the espn.com conference standings adjust for the seeding rules.

by Rainbow skyline on Jan 23, 2012 2:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Memphis > Dallas

But I mostly agree.

My predictions in the preseason had Denver at No. 4, but that was only because I assume the top division winners get the Nos. 2 and 3 spots, regardless of record.

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by Fly Agaric on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 PM MST up reply actions  

right

my ranking is just overall talented teams. But Memphis may be better than Dallas when fully healthy (Seems hard for them to do) but Dallas has the ring and I think they are just about over their championship hangover

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 23, 2012 2:02 PM MST up reply actions  

I was one who wrote the Spurs off because of age

But, as has been mentioned, outside of Parker, Duncan, Jefferson and Manu, they have some spunk and talent. They won’t make a lot of noise in the playoffs, but they could be dangerous depending on the match-up.

There is no way I discount a Poppovich coached team. Best coach in the NBA right now.

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by Fly Agaric on Jan 23, 2012 1:59 PM MST up reply actions  

It is a weird team to watch right now

because you have no idea what to expect from game to game. For the Melo era teams, there was a rhythm and we kind of knew what to expect. Now it’s Miller scoring 30 in one game and 3 the next, and about 5 guys are doing that. And the rotations were almost written in stone before, with J.R. being the exception. Now, Moz gets 15 minutes one night, 30 the next.

I have no idea what the hell is going on, but they keep winning somehow.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 23, 2012 2:07 PM MST up reply actions  

the whole season is weird, isn't it?

I think the playoffs is where things will get sorted out.

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by ParkHillNative on Jan 23, 2012 2:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Good way to win regular season games by confusing the crap out of other teams

If the playoffs worked like the NCAA and they were one game series, the Nuggets could go all the way.
I am just scared of GK and his series adjustments (which he doesn’t have). So the way we will make noise in the playoffs is if we get a high seed in the regular season which I think is very possible. I really don’t think #2 in the West is out of the question. With a #2 seed I think we can make the WCF a la 2009, and it depends on how much revenge the Nugz want on OKC. But I would have a waay better feeling on our chances taking on Scott Brooks and the relatively inexperienced Thunder than Phil Jackson and the championship tested Lakers like we did in 2009.

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by JR15 on Jan 23, 2012 2:24 PM MST up reply actions  

I think

4th fits Denver best, but I will take 3rd… Like i said before… all it takes is one little injury to OKC and they will fall dramatically. Denver is 2 deep at every position.

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 23, 2012 1:38 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I think

you are right. OKC is an injury or even some mid-season fatigue away from a slide. Best thing about the Nuggets is their ability to limit minutes across the board for the entire season if they need to.

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by Big Mickey D on Jan 23, 2012 6:19 PM MST up reply actions  

25% of the season is done.

Hard to believe. Time flies. In a regular season, nuggets would be on pace for 66 wins.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 23, 2012 1:27 PM MST reply actions  

by my count,

(12/17)*82=58 wins.

Math Thursty’d!

by Rainbow skyline on Jan 23, 2012 1:41 PM MST up reply actions  

i hate math

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 23, 2012 1:42 PM MST up reply actions  

You are correct, sir

somehow on my calculator 12/17= .80. Must be time for a new calculator.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 23, 2012 1:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Just like it is time to get a new leap second

It sounds like scientists are trying to get rid of the leap second :(.
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Yes…yes I did.

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by JR15 on Jan 23, 2012 2:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Since she doesn't appear to be around

we could make up for her absence by having a contest for the best SDcat impersonation comment.

I will open by casually mentioning that I enjoy eating unicorn spam.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 23, 2012 2:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Obvious SDcat impersonation is obvious

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by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 23, 2012 3:49 PM MST up reply actions  

You guys!

Is your love worth the nausea it could bring?

by Fly Agaric on Jan 23, 2012 3:50 PM MST up reply actions  

It's like no one reads.....

or lurks….

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by SDcat09 on Jan 23, 2012 3:59 PM MST up reply actions  

It's like no one reads.... hey, it's YOU!

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by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 23, 2012 4:33 PM MST up reply actions  

I may have to change my screen name

again.

after having spinal fusion surgery, Bill Walton reveals that Chris Paul is his wife’s favorite player.

Oh, and for the next time someone complains that basketball players make too much money:

"I haven’t been this healthy since high school," Walton said from his home in San Diego last week. "I had 36 orthopedic operations, I’ve got two fused ankles; my knee, hands and wrists don’t work; I’ve now got a fused spine, but other than that everything is fantastic. I’m excited every single day."

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 23, 2012 2:45 PM MST reply actions  

Was he moonlighting as Evil Knievel?

Jesus

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by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 23, 2012 2:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Right now

who would you like to play in the playoffs (assuming we have home court)? to me, looking at the field, i have absolutely no clue. all the teams in contention could throw together a good playoff run (a la Memphis last season). If i was forced to put a team down, i would probably have to say the Lakers.

by swmrkev on Jan 23, 2012 5:15 PM MST reply actions  

Heck no. We've been lucky with the sky blue

better stick with those until the road trip ends :)

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by SDcat09 on Jan 23, 2012 6:51 PM MST up reply actions  

agreement

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by love4nuggets on Jan 24, 2012 12:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Although, Orlando's pinstripes are right up there.

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by love4nuggets on Jan 24, 2012 12:14 PM MST up reply actions  

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