Italy struggles as Nuggets' Gallinari tries to shine
by Nate Timmons on Sep 6, 2011 12:35 PM MDT
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Despite having three NBA players, Danilo Gallinari of the Denver Nuggets, Marco Belinelli of the New Orleans Hornets, and Andrea Bargnani of the Toronto Raptors, the Italian national team has stumbled to a 1-4 record thus far in the EuroBasket 2011 Championships in Lithuania. Gallinari has been having an up-and-down ride and Zorgon of Welcome to Loud City provides us with some scouting as he has been in Lithuania covering the whole thing!
I've been curious as to how our fellow Nuggets have been performing overseas. With some digging on EuroBasket 2011.com and the help of Zorgon, I've been able to get a good handle on Gallo's game thus far with his Italian team. The good news, he has had some shining moments, but the bad news ... inconsistency is still plaguing the talented forward.
Let's take a look at Gallo's stats from the first five games Italy has played:
| Final Score | Minutes | FG shooting | FT shooting | Points | Rebounds | |
| Serbia | 68-80 (L) | 28 | 6-9 | 3-4 | 15 | 2 |
| Germany | 62-76 (L) | 29 | 4-15 | 7-9 | 17 | 11 |
| Latvia | 71-62 (W) | 28 | 1-9 | 5-5 | 7 | 9 |
| France | 84-91 (L) | 29 | 5-13 | 6-7 | 18 | 5 |
| Israel | 95-96 (L) | 41 | 9-20 | 0-0 | 19 | 5 |
| Totals (Avg) | 1-4 | 31 mpg | 25-66 (37.8%) | 21-25 (84%) | 15.2 ppg | 6.4 rpg |
In the above games, Gallo only led his team in scoring one time, that was against Germany where he scored 17 points. In the other four games Bargnani has led the team in scoring - putting up 22 points vs. Serbia, 36 points vs. Latvia, 22 points vs. France, and 26 points vs. Israel. Sort of makes me wonder why Gallo is not putting up those kind of numbers against teams. I think if you polled most NBA general managers they'd rather have Gallo on their team than Bargnani, but our Nugget is being outperformed by his Raptor counterpart.
And like I mentioned above, Zorgon of WTLC has been attending games and emailed me his scouting report on Gallo from the Sept. 4, 2011 game against France. Here is what Zorgon had to say about Gallo from that game:
Zorgon of WTLC on Gallo, from the Italy vs. France game:
(Danilo) Gallinari had a bit of a disappointing game for Italy. He was regularly upstaged by (Marco) Bellinelli, and was almost nowhere to be seen in the first half (Italy had a 48-41 lead over France heading into the second half). He was covered by the crafty Boris Diaw (of the Charlotte Bobcats), and was often fooled into taking bad jumpers.
Gallo's skills awoke in the second half. Italy was desperately looking for scoring inside, because their jump shooting was hot-and-cold. Gallinari provided the right medicine, driving for some good scores in the third quarter when Italy hit a bit of a cold streak. He showed a good ability to score over men who were equal to or smaller than his size, and rarely failed when he went down the lane. But his best moments came when he got a three point play in the paint late in the game, putting his team up by two, and a couple of plays later when he grabbed a rebound and went coast-to-coast for a nice score in the paint, putting Italy up by one.
Unfortunately, his skill set seemed somewhat limited. He could drive and hit threes, but there wasn't a whole lot of creative ball-handling or involvement in plays. He was a clear third option to Bellinelli and Bargnani until the very end of the game, and he was far too prone to going hot-and-cold. Of course, he wasn't a defensive liability like Bargnani, and he even had a nice steal for a free bucket. But he didn't do anything too amazing in that sense.
You can catch highlights from that Italy vs. France game by clicking right here.
Zorgon's breakdown of Gallo doesn't sound too much different from what you could say about him in an NBA game. His shooting is streaky, he's good - but not great - when driving to the basket, and his defensive effort is there, but again nothing to write home about.
Gallo just turned 23 years-old in August and he still has a lot of time left to grow and mature. Sometimes it's tough to try to outshine your teammates, especially on national teams as kid's have a lot of respect for the guys that have been there ahead of them. There almost seems to be a pecking order based on age on some of these international teams ... something that you see a bit in the NBA as rookies try to find their legs in the NBA (in most cases).
It sounds like Gallo is still trying to find his game and we can find some solace in the fact that he's just 23 years old and that he will get better with age ... like a fine Italian wine?
I'd like to thank Zorgon for taking the time to scout Gallo for us and sending it along to you folks here at Denver Stiffs. He's already got tickets for Greece vs. Slovenia on Sept. 8th, 2011 and will be sending along his thoughts on Jeff Morton's favorite big man - Kosta Koufos. I'll get that post up and available to you all as soon as I get it.
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Not worried at all about Gallo
he will be a good number 2 option on a team with flashes of a 1. What separates him from his Italian counterparts is his effort of defense…while he’s not skilled he definitely gives it his best.
He will be fine.
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by Nate Timmons on Sep 6, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
KOUF! I did see that. Thank you Nate :)
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by Jeffrey Morton on Sep 6, 2011 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Do the Nuggets have a #1 scorer
Or does Karl thing Nene should stay at Center???
If Nene resigns and Karl moves Nene to PF and Double K/Mos play center. He could be a 20/10 player every game!
JR sign somewhere else, so we can get a guy who is not so Bi-polar.
Trade Chandler and Felton for another shooter.
by SD_Nugget_Fan on Sep 7, 2011 1:40 AM MDT up reply actions
I’d call that move (Nene at PF and Double-K or Moz at C) my dream scenario. I do think Nene could be more productive point wise there and the offensive rebounds would go up I think as well. Kouf and Moz would be beasts on the offensive glass if not purely b/c of their height and willingness to stick around the basket.
I don’t know if we’ll ever see Nene near 10 rebounds per game (that’s asking 3 more over his career average), but the center spot would no-doubt improve in rebounds, thus not making Nene’s rebounding so much of an issue.
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I don't know,
I’ve never really seen the potential in Gallo that everyone else is seeing. Sure, he’s young and has plenty of time to improve, but to me he seems far from a sure thing and nowhere near a potential franchise player.
That being said, however, I don’t think he’s really figured out what kind of player he’s going to be. He’s got the height of a borderline center, but he has the skillset of a small forward. Most would say that’s a good thing, but imo if he doesn’t figure out how to utilize his physical talents and combine that with his skillset, he’ll never become a consistent player.
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Interesting take and probably a pretty accurate one. I like to sort of look at Gallo as needing to develop the same skills that Dirk has – if only because they both have the height of big men and the skill set of small forwards. Not saying Gallo will be like Dirk or should, but he does have that herky-jerky style when he drives and can hit the outside shot.
How can the Nuggets get Gallo the help he needs to develop his physical talents? Do they already have the right staff on board?
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That's kind of how I see him
Seems to have the potential to be a good to very good player, but I don’t see superstar franchise player potential….that’s just me though
He's Tskitishvilli part 2
a tall white guy who can shoot and do nothing else. Much like Skita, he can’t even dominate horrible European competition and has no chance of doing anything in the NBA against real players.
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and more fucking snarf.
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Here is a little more on EuroBasket and Gallo from Sean Deveney of Sporting News:
Danilo Gallinari, Italy. Italy finally played with Gallinari, Andrea Bargnani and Marco Belinelli, but the group was an enormous disappointment, finishing with one win in five games. Gallinari did average 15.2 points, but he shot just 21.7 percent from the 3-point line, and without that perimeter shooting (Belinelli shot only 28.1 percent on 3s), Italy didn’t have a chance.
Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2011-09-06/eurobasket-reset-nba-names-to-watch#ixzz1XCXezuQz
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Gallo and Bargnani are pretty similar
Big guys with a SF game. Bargnani has played way out of position (defensively) his entire career.
Barg is a bit more of a Stiff I think. Gallo has a lot more skills than him as far as defense and ball-handling goes. But ya, they can both shoot the ball pretty well, but I’d take Gallo over Barg any day of the week and twice on Sundays?
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by Nate Timmons on Sep 6, 2011 11:44 PM MDT up reply actions
About my countryman Bargnani
He has some skills, could really shoot but he
JUST PLAIN SUCKS
When Gallo plays well, he helps team. Gallo is much more well rounded and has way more potential than Bargs. Gallo is also pretty savy. Bargs is not.
Talking about the Italian team, their other NBA rep, Bellinelli is also a one dimesional player who’s one dimension is not great enough to compensate for limitations.
Frankly, Dirk is mostly one dimensional but is soooo great in that dimension (scoring/shooting) that he qualifies as a top 50 all time player. But that’s Dirk.
I don't think Gallo get's enough credit from the effort he puts out
He just doesn’t seem to take plays off. That separates him from Bargnani right there because I’ve never seen Bargnani actually guard someone with much effort.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Sep 7, 2011 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions
yep Gallo really tries
there’s no prima donna in him despite country of origin
Dirk’s 8.4 career rebounding mark isn’t too bad either – especially when you consider he is rarely around the offensive glass (perimeter guy of course and the main guy shooting).
Belinelli really benefited from playing alongside Chris Paul and was, you’re right, just asked to shoot in NOLA. I’m excited to see how Gallo develops – I was pretty on the fence with him, but seeing him more and more I can see some specialness (new word) to his game.
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by Nate Timmons on Sep 7, 2011 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Dirk is 7'1"
He should stumble into 10 rpg
Stlil, he’s a great player
Danilo Gallinari and the words "franchise player" should never be in the same sentence together
We need to get over the fact that he was a top-10 pick in the draft and start actually analyzing what’s he’s doing out there on the floor. The kid is often times lost, and takes more ill-advised shots than Snookie at a frat house. I’m sorry but Gallo just doesn’t appear to be the guy we all thought he might be. I still think he’s gonna have a solid career in the NBA, but I’m done with the “franchise player” stuff. Ty Lawson is already more of a franchise player than he is.
Gallo can never be a franchis player as the franchise that drafted him has disowned him
Nene, Ty, Faried, and Hamilton are the only ones in the running for denver franchise player
Technically the Knicks drafted Nene.
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by Agaliarept on Sep 6, 2011 7:19 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed. All there is to it.
…except for the fact that the Knicks drafted Nene.
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Totally disagree about Gallo.
The kid is only 23 years old, as of last month. Lawson is only a few months older than Gallo and had the benefit of playing college ball at one of the richest college programs (based off tradition) in the world. I love Lawson’s game and think he could be a great player for the Nuggets (already is) and a solid point guard for years to come, maybe even an all star at some point.
But to dismiss Gallo at such a young age is pretty shortsighted. Yes, there are plenty of washouts, but there are also the Jermaine O’Neal guys who bloom a little later. Heck, every young player has looked lost on the court – not to mention that Gallo has dealt with different systems and coaches in every one of his NBA seasons.
This isn’t to say that Gallo is a sure thing either, we’ve been waiting for J.R. to develop for years and it hasn’t happened yet – Gallo could do the same thing, but he has enough talent and has show enough flashes that the potential is still VERY much there.
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by Nate Timmons on Sep 6, 2011 11:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Yep Nate
we’ve played tag on Gallo issue and generally agree with each other.
About Gallo, when you look at stats a little deeper, he looks much better. I sensed this some time ago when upon joining Knicks in mid season of rookie, his +/- was very very good for such a bad team.
On basketball-reference stats FG efficiency, True shooting% are better than many much more celebrated NBAers and Offensive Rating vs Defensive Rating puts him solidly in positive column. That is not true of other so called stars like Melo and many other so called stars.
Gallo has a positive impact on team. He’s underrated, is good, could get better but probably not great. I’ll take it.
And I’m also one of those people who would much rather watch a good team (think Grizzlies or Nuggets post-trade) that is sharing the ball, playing defense – basically playing the right way - over a team like the Knicks or Heat that are going to depend on one-on-one play and building a team around a couple players.
I know that typically if you want to win in the NBA, the theory is that you need that one big star, but I think all you really need is a team that does everything pretty well and has some guys who can get you points when you need them late in games and that will come with experience.
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by Nate Timmons on Sep 7, 2011 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
'04 Pistons... /sigh...so dreamy.
A hard working, blue-collar team like that winning it all just takes my breath away. haha
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by love4nuggets on Sep 7, 2011 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Meh
you only get those types of teams once a decade. It’s hard to win in the NBA without one mega “difference making” player. Even if there’s a salary cap that limits teams to 1 dollar in payroll you still need that one “special” player 9 times out of 10.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Sep 7, 2011 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions
I realize that Tim Duncan is one of the best power forwards of all time (don’t sleep on Kevin McHale) – but those Spurs teams really were more about playing as a team over anything else. Duncan, Manu and Parker could all help close out games and all carried the team for different stretches – the Nuggets could easily construct a similar team to those Spurs ones …
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Well...people forget that the team Duncan came on to featured David Robinson
and I’d wager it made it easier for him. Those first two Spurs championships featured Robinson and Duncan as two stars. Then you added in great role players when Robinson left and you have the Spurs.
Duncan was a world class, elite player who played the game fundamentally/excruciatingly boring. Still a difference maker.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Sep 7, 2011 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions
ironically
trying to win by getting amega star is harder than just competing with a bunch of good ballplayers.
Just look at what teams has won titles. Almost all of them have featured all time greats since 1980. Bird, Jordan, Johnson, Duncan, Shaq, Kobe. All of them all time greats.
Those players are few and far between. Maybe a dozen in 32 years.
The chances of snagging one of them? About 1 in about 100 or 1000 or 10000.
Lets get or develop a star or 2, surround them with good players/borderline all stars, have unselfish role players. Think Pistons of late 80s and ’04.
Maybe I’m crazy but really what did we do wrong after trade. Nothing. No team had their way with us but one god darned team. They were our poison in season and in playoffs.
We could have beaten any other team. Yep, even the Mavs. We lost to OKC 2x in regular season and they proved to match up well against us. And we were injured, terribly so.
I would have loved a go at the Mavs, lakers, Blazers. frankly, the other team that worries me is the Griz who are deep and tough just like us
I like your outlook, sg.
I’m excited for whatever comes next for these young Nuggets.
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True, the 1999 and 2003 teams featured Robinson.
And while some may argue he was in the twilight of his career, he probably forgot more basketball than most centers ever have! Right? Am I right?!? Anyone? Anyone??
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yep, yur right
and there are a couple of notables
First, I think that the most recent Celtic championship team did not have a great star. Pierce, Garnett, Allen were all good complimentary players. On that team, they were all role players.
Second, that there have been few non star laden teams that have won championships doesnt mean it cant be done. Its just that stars on teams that have won feel compelled to live up to their salary and billing. So they shoot more and try to grab more rebounds even if its out of a teammates hands.
Remember Kobe in that miserable 7th game against the Celtics? Couldnt shoot so he made sure to rack up the rebounds.
Its almost a political thing that the stars HAVE to shine or else.
But what’s the difference if a Mello averages 25 points on 20 shots or Gallo and Chandler combine to average 27 points on 20 shots?
Here’s the difference. Melo gets anointed as an all star but the combo of Gallo and Will are more helpful and more efficient.
Melo played better on the Knicks than he played on the Nugs. He played like a star. Gallo and Will were often hurt and played so so. Moz contributed to 1 win, Felton helped but his contributions were a bit complicated. Yet we improved and the Knicks dropped a notch.
So, would you rather have the STAR or the good complementary players?
Remember last year, after the trade. Excepting OKC, teams we faced were bewildered and overwhelmed by our swarm of talent. We often had 7 – 9 guys in double figures. We also had fresh, motivated players so the defense was greatly improved.
We were a nightmare for the league until injuries piled up. Even then, OKC needed some unlikely comebacks and an egregiously blown goaltending call to put us away.
I think teams that aim solely to get an all time mega star are just wasting their time because Bird, Jordan, Magic come around every quarter century. Even Hakeem, Kobe and Shaq are a once a decade event.
Lol.
Reminds me of how many times MElo would sneak in and rip a rebound out of Nene’s hands. Nene never looked happy. Also, MElo is the king of scoring 30 points on 25 shots, although Russel Whinebrick is challenging for the throne.
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L4N, absoFREAKINlutely!
I watched a lot of David Lee with the Knicks. A good rebounder but we used to laugh at the rebs he’s yank out of teammates hands. We’d call them “David Lee rebounds.”
Remember, he was going for a payday and dopey GMs look at raw stats. So he got a nice payday with the warriors. NOW the warriors know he’s an OK player but not worth the mega bucks they shelled out for him
Maybe I’m a cynical SOB but that crazy bad game that Kobe played in the 7th game of the Finals against the Cetics compelled him to go to the boards.
He had to rack up stats. But the lakers did not really need his boardwork. They needed him to hit shots. Luckily he did, if by HE you mean Ron Artest.
Now there are all time greats whose stats, whose production, is really needed by their teams and are not just racked up to justify something else. Think Jordan, Bird, Magic.
Kobe is a great player but really the lakers have been at their best when Bynum, Gasol and Odom have excelled. When the Ls are impossible it is because of them.
On the other hand Jordan HAD to score, had to form an incredible defensive tandem with Pippen. He was as good or better than his stats.
Bird would just play with stats, have fun with them, set goals that challenged himself like shooting mostly lefty shots against Portland one game. Bird could have compiled stats but didnt want to, doing just enough to win games.
Bottom line? There are very few true impact superstars. Some impact players may not even put up great raw stats.Some stat compilers are not very good.
Trying to determine what a team needs to win a title is very complicated. The “you need 3 superstars” rule is so simplistic, so debatable, so easy to disprove (Who were the Mavs 3 superstars?), that talking heads who mouth it are just talking heads who mouth it.
Finally, even if you go by the rule of “you need x amount of stars to win a title” B.AS. – who those stars are is often dtermined AFTER the fact not BEFORE the fact of winning the title.
If the Nugs go deep in the playoffs, or win it all (!!!), a few of the players will emerge as “stars.”
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How about I'll be the parade and you be the rain, eh? ;)
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lol...sorry man
The Nuggets should never stop looking for a big time difference making player. I don’t believe that player exists on this roster currently. Great role players and second options with a solid (if he stays aggressive) point guard. Still need the special.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Sep 7, 2011 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Completely agree.
But watching the 04 Pistons demolish the dream team Fakers was one of the best basketball experiences of my life. Also the fact that CB was on the team was pretty damn sweet.
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I dont' dispute anything you said
But again, “franchise player” Gallo is not. Yes, he’s only 23, but he’s been playing ball his whole life and has already had three full seasons in the NBA (2.5 under the D’Antoni offense which will make anybody’s numbers look like Lebron James), yet he has yet to average over 15 points per game. Just to put things into perspective, Eric Gordon, who was taken one pick later than Gallo, has never averaged below 16 points per game in his career and averaged over 22 last year. The guy taken right before Gallo: Kevin Love.
All I’m saying is that our expectations will never be met with Gallinari if we perpetually view him as this future All-Star/franchise player. Think about it guys, we’re the same exact fans who have been waiting on Nene to turn into that All-Star center we all know he is for the last NINE years. J.R., whom you mention is the exact same way. The term “late bloomer” in the NBA just isn’t as valid as in other sports because of how athletic and fast the game is. If you’re not showing more than just a few glimpses of what you can be by years 3 and 4, the chances you ever turn into something radically different are almost non-existent.
Look, I like Gallo too, there’s no denying that. I’m still over the moon on how well we did in the New York trade, and I’m thrilled to have him on our team for the foreseeable future. But I’m just done with mentioning, for God’s sake, Dirk and the words “franchise player” with him until he can drastically improve certain aspects of his game.
I can see that for sure.
I think the Nuggets are counting on Gallo to be one of their best guys – perhaps – and he could still get there. I agree with you that after years 3-4 it’s hard for guys to improve further than what they already are, like you point to with Nene and J.R. … though I could argue about Nene as he’s been better the last three seasons and is playing out of position (I believe).
And while I wont close the door on Gallo drastically improving, I also realize he may never get there.
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so well said, GN
I like to view Gallo not as potential ultra sharpshooter Dirk but more like Larry Bird, light, very light. Maybe you remember, Detlef Shrempf?
He’s not going to be real high on any sexy stats. He frankly doesnt go for numbers. But he should have solid all around games.
He should have some big games especially scoring. But generally his combo of height and shooting and ball handling will spread opposing defenses and he should grab a rebound, hit a shot, get an assist, even block a shot that helps us win.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Sep 6, 2011 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't see why he can't at least be in contention.
There aren’t any “huge PPG” rookies this season, not like the Blake Griffin and D-Roses of the world. I predict the leading scoring rookie will be in the mid-teens in PPG, and with consistent PT I could see Hamilton at least in double digits.
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by Agaliarept on Sep 6, 2011 7:22 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
hahaha, that's hilarious and if Karl is reading this post - he's probably shaking his head at that tweet!
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by Nate Timmons on Sep 6, 2011 11:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Bunch of haters
I can see Gallo being in all-star contention in the next 2-3 years.
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Where's the Italian Anti-defimation league when you need them?
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by Jeffrey Morton on Sep 6, 2011 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions
defamation
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by Jeffrey Morton on Sep 6, 2011 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions
here I am Jeff!!!
Seriously, I love Gallo but ..
no, he is not a franchise anything.
He’s a pretty good player.
He could turn into a very good player who can sometimes play great.
He is a matchup problem for a lot of defenders. That’s why he draws fouls.
He’s a great shooter who hasnt really shot that great. But it could happen because he has a really terrific stroke.
He’s much more well rounded than given credit for. He should fill up a stat sheet given time, experience.
But to be great you have to have some combination of freaky physical ability (LeBron, D Howard, D Wade), one or more tremendous basketball skills (Dirk, Kobe, Nash, R Allen) and otherworldly psyche/intelligence/leadership/balls (Bird, Jordan, Magic, even lessers like Kidd and Nash).
I’m a Gallo fan but what exactly does Gallo have that can catapult him in the company of greats?
Let’s just go for very good, consistent, low maintenance, clutch. That is what Gallo could be. A very important part of a contender that is easy to root for. And, hey, if he flowers and shoots dirk-like, or develops into a very tall point forward, becomes and plays a little more ruggedly, great!
Nice post sgiustra.
I like your points on the “greats” … good stuff.
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by Nate Timmons on Sep 6, 2011 11:55 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd like to add my man Chauncey Billups
to your “psyche/intelligence/leadership/balls” list. Thanks. :)
And nice post.
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by love4nuggets on Sep 7, 2011 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions
There you go KevinAwesome! Glass half full kind of guy!!!
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by Nate Timmons on Sep 6, 2011 11:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Hey man, it's not optimism
He’s 23.
Karl has indicated he will be a go-to guy, which will mean a bigger workload for him.
He averages 15 ppg on 10 attempts ; Melo averages 25 ppg per 20 attempts. If he takes a few more shots, he can get average 20 points or so a season.
There’s a reason more than half the NBA teams wanted to grab him from us post-trade.
I am not saying he will be franchise or even an all star, but I can see him being up in the voting for the all star game if he continues to develop.
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by KevinAwesome on Sep 7, 2011 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree 100% my man.
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by Nate Timmons on Sep 7, 2011 11:31 PM MDT up reply actions
How does that work?
Melo shoots a much higher field goal percentage than Gallo, so I don’t see how that makes much sense. I guess Gallo is pretty good at flopping and getting to the line, but Melo wasn’t half bad at that either.
This is about the hundredth time I've posted this but ...
Gallo’s FG efficiency is way higher than Melo’s and when you include foul shots drawn & made(true shooting%) the gap widens further. Why? Simple.
Gallo is better at 3s and draws more fouls per FG attempts and has higher FT%. If Gallo chucked up 10 more shots per game he would avg at least 10 more points equaling Melo’s production. Most likely he would get 12 – 13 more ppg, surpassing melo.
We’ll never know because Gallo will never take up 20 shots in any one game much less avg it.
Gallo is what he is.
A Solid No.2 Option (just like Nene)… If Ty Lawson can get his mid range shot to be more consistent, he’d be a No. 1. He has that explosive 1st step, emerging court vision. 2012 (If there’s a season) I think will be his breakout year.
Gallo should focus on refining is driving to the hoop skills. He looks like a novice rollerblader who doesn’t know how to stop. We know his spot up shooting skills are great, just needs to work on this aspect.
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Ya, I’d love to see Gallo’s shooting gain some additional consistency. If he can develop into a solid second option or the second best player on the team, I think a lot of people would be happy with that.
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by Nate Timmons on Sep 6, 2011 11:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Calling it here
But Hamilton can be a #1 with Gallo as #2 and Moz, Ty, and Nene (he will re-sign I think he just wants some love) being solid role players.
And Faried, Koufus and possibly Chandler making a sick nasty bench.
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by JR15 on Sep 7, 2011 12:26 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Where's the Insurance??
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by love4nuggets on Sep 7, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
NASTY video of faried highlights in summer league...dude always has his head above the rim.
http://www.ballislife.com/video/kennethsummermix
credit to kalen, aka:goldennugget (i think), for posting this at roundball mining. i havent seen this link here at stiffs, and i dont think all stiffs readers make to roundball mining, although they should.
for those basketball starved, like myself, this clip might just make the current lockout situation hurt more. a taste of honey is worse than none at all type deal. bottom line though, faried is going to be a fucking BEAST.
wow he looks good!
but is he like Sampson, where his ability is linked to how long his hair is? if he ever cuts it he won’t be able to jump at all!
by InboundingLobPass on Sep 6, 2011 10:55 PM MDT up reply actions
hahaha
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by Nate Timmons on Sep 6, 2011 11:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Nice link...
..if he can hit that mid-range J, he will be a solid play. The dunks are nice too. Reminds me of old school Bird.
wow!
I know it’s summer league but…
WOW!
I see a little D Rodman in Faried. He also kind of reminds me of Nene. A little smaller but quick, strong, athletic.
I think that some of our problems versus team Kryptonite for us (OKC) was foul shooting, being outcoached and being out-rebounded. Faried may help us solve the rebounding deficit vs OKC.
And, since this post is on Gallo, Faried complements Gallo very well. Their talents complete each other. Look for some offensive rebounds from KF, kickout to Gallo for easy treys and Gallo assisting Faried for some ferocious dunks.
I think the Knicks picked some OK collegiate ahead of Faried but my initial hunch is that our front office got this right. Knicks could really have used someone like Faried but we got him.
I drastically underrated Faried's athleticism and after watching a lot of his Drew League stuff ... I think the Nuggets got quite the steal.
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by Nate Timmons on Sep 7, 2011 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Imagine a western tree-type lineup in the next few years of
PG: JR
SG: Gallo
SF: Faried
PF: Nene
C: Brains
(Only in dire size-necessary situations, but damn. Nobody under 6’6", please!)
And contrarily, for speedy scoring:
PG: Ty
SG: JR
SF: Hamilton
PF: Gallo
C: Nene / Faried
Daydreams….
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by love4nuggets on Sep 7, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Pretty crazy lineups you’re messing with there – I like it.
I’ve said this before, but I think Karl is going to love coaching Kenneth Faried – seems like a “Karl guy” aka hard worker in practice and a all out hustler. I hope Hamilton can win Coach over and get some playing time because I think he has a ton of talent.
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Yeah I agree completely.
I have no worries about Karl and Faried, and hopefully Hamilton has learned his lesson like he claims. I actually think that heart wins more than super-sized talent, but not by much.
/praying for a full season
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yes love the adoption of "Brains"
also totally for using andre miller’s expiring in a trade and letting JR have some PG action
Thanks mayne
I totally agree with the last sentence of your post.
People do NOT understand how much of a beast Faried is. Many know we landed a steal in the draft, but I don’t think people truly realize how much of a steal he was.
Those highlights tell a lot, but Faried was KILLING it in the summer league this year, consistently putting up 20-10 on a regular basis, all while leading (yes, leading — Faried was the best player on his team) to the Drew League Championship (they lost, although Faried posted a ridiculous stat line of 20-19). Granted, it was the summer league, but the 2011 version of the Drew League (and Goodman League) is absolutely nothing like what it is during the normal years due to the lockout.
Faried is defensively awesome and a relentless rebounding beat
his offense is a project. If he can develop over the next few years to at least average, he’ll be the top player from this draft
Tom Ziller's top 99 players of 2015
72. Danilo Gallinari
Gallinari will be in the middle of his age-based prime in 2015 at 27, and maybe he’ll have settled into his destiny as the next Peja Stojakovic. Gallo’s rate of three-pointers did calm down a bit under George Karl in the second part of the 2010-11 season, and his efficiency increased at the same time (from .347 in New York to .370 in Denver). That’s well within the margin of error, so we’ll see if it’s real going forward … provided that we’re closer to a third of Gallinari’s shots being three-pointers than a half.
That’d be a good thing because Gallo is actually adept at drawing fouls — in Denver last season, he drew more than eight per 36 minutes, after drawing a pretty solid six in New York. That’s the type of action that can turn Gallinari from a nice supplemental scorer into a brilliant potential first-option on the right team. (Think Kevin Martin.) By placing Gallo at No. 72, I’m betting on the middle path … which is actually just like Kevin Martin, honestly. — Ziller
PRADA: Going from New York to Denver may be the best thing that happens to Gallinari, because you know George Karl will facilitate the development of his whole game more than Mike D’Antoni. A solid pick.
SHARP: I think the “middle path” is right on for Danilo, especially because I don’t see him evolving into a no. 1 scorer for Denver. Eventually, you have to think the Nuggets will add somebody else to handle the bulk of the scoring load, and Gallo will spend the following few years playing the Kukoc to someone else’s Jordan. Also, if Gallo wants to become the next Peja, he needs to stop endorsing energy strips and start smoking cigarettes. All European players should smoke cigarettes. Part of the mystique, I think.
LOL at the "European mystique"!. Nice find!
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by love4nuggets on Sep 7, 2011 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
Great find from the SB Nation crew.
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Good news guys
NBA and NBAPA met for 6 hours today and meeting tomorrow and Friday. There’s no way they’re diddling their thumbs. I think the CBA is getting done.
i wonder what "ill Will" will think
If he misses a season playing in China…
by InboundingLobPass on Sep 7, 2011 9:22 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
If they ratify a new cba is the next few weeks
we should sue to invalidate his Chinese contract on grounds, that we’ve tendered him to a contract, or maybe he can pull off a buyout
Since Chandler didn't sign the QA there would be no grounds to sue
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by Jeffrey Morton on Sep 7, 2011 10:29 PM MDT up reply actions
and by QA I mean QO....but ya know....ahem
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by Jeffrey Morton on Sep 7, 2011 10:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Only when their season ends in March I believe.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Sep 7, 2011 11:45 PM MDT up reply actions
We'll be going over this mess tomorrow ... and by mess I mean the issue that might be resolved sooner rather than LATER!!! WOOHOO!!!
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