Golden Nuggets: So....who is the Nuggets' type?
by Jeffrey Morton on Jul 22, 2011 8:00 AM MDT
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PrintIn the weird fantasy world where there is no NBA lockout - and where unicorns and leprechauns frolic in the open with the Loch Ness monster - lets talk about what the "Denver" type of player is.
Right at the time Carmelo Anthony was traded from the Denver Nuggets. Former Denver Broncos football player (and current radio talk show host) Alfred Williams went on record as saying that Denver needs players that want to play in Denver. There is a "type" of player who would willingly stay with the Nuggets and not seek greater branding and fame in a larger market.
Now...Williams went on to imply (in a roundabout way) that there was a slight racial undertone to what type of player the fans of Denver would cheer for (not including Chauncey Billups who is a hometown guy). Putting that aside, what is the type of player that would seek to stay and win championships in Denver? Do we have any clue?
Unfortunately the Nuggets don't have a long history of players "choosing" to stay in Denver in the free agency era. Alex English comes to mind. Dan Issel comes to mind as well. Outside of that the Nuggets have mirrored the city dynamics of Denver. Transient. Players have often used Denver as a either as a stepping stone (Melo), or left after being offered an insulting contract (Dikembe Mutumbo) or were traded (Antonio McDyess, CB...twice for both). English is the one star who stayed the longest.
So you must, as a team, find a star (because winning in the NBA requires stars) who want's to stay in Denver. People point to Kevin Durant in Oklahoma City, but I keep telling people that he signed almost the same exact contract extension that Melo did after his third year. In the NBA you get paid on your third contract. So it's yet to be actually seen if Durant will choose to stay in OKC when his extension is up. Is there a player out there that would willing spend the majority of their career's in Denver and build a contending team? If so, what kind of player would they be?
On a personal note: I've never felt comfortable with a so called "Franchise Tag". Players hate them, and I don't like the concept of identifying your team as a prison. We scoff at players who don't want to stay for a higher average one year salary, but lets face it...you want players who WANT to be here...not who are forced to when they have an opportunity to leave.
With that being said, is there any potential star on the Nuggets roster? I hope (and the Nuggets hope) it's Danilo Gallinari? But does Gallo have the desire to stay in Denver and build something? That remains to be seen. Who is it on this Nuggets team that want's to both stay in Denver and to lead this team for years to come? It's hard to say, and quite frankly these are the questions that have haunted this city for a long time. Are we doomed to be a transient NBA stop for budding superstars, OR, is there that special player - special DENVER player - who want's to take the mile high city on their backs.
So my fellow stiffs...who are the players on the roster you think will become stars? Will they stay in Denver? If not, does this mean we have to get "lucky" in the (infuriating to Jeff) NBA draft lottery?
The future is up in the air...when the NBA returns let's hope the future is a bright one for our Denver Nuggets.
Links
Most logical fix for NBA would be to get smaller - Ken Berger, CBSSports.com
Ken Berger floats an idea of contracting several struggling franchises to contribute to the NBA's new CBA.
Annual breakdown of Nuggets season schedule - Aaron Lopez, denvernuggets.com
A-Lo breaks down the Nuggets "schedule" next season, as our fellow Stiff Andrew Feinstein did earlier this week. He's also doing this on a website that doesn't feature any actual players. Amazing.
Pistons poised to hire Frank as coach - Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo Sports
Lawrence Frank (aka: Bilbo Baggins) is poised to become the next head coach of the Detroit Pistons. Good for him, I thought he got the short end of the stick (no pun intended) in New Jersey and hopefully this will be successful for him.
The National Basketball Associations' European Vacation - Jonathan Abrams, Grantland.com
On Bill Simmons' Grantland site, Jonathan Abrams writes about the complexities of NBA players in Europe and what the effect would be if there was a year-long lockout.
Union president Derek Fisher maintains bold stance in labor negotiations - Ian Thomsen, SI.com
An overview of Derek Fisher's role in the NBA Players Association.
Now for some 80's cheese. I wish I was a drawing...
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by love4nuggets on Jul 22, 2011 9:33 PM MDT up reply actions
I hope lawerence frank gets a jon back in the nba
he was actually a good coach when he didnt have to run plays through brook lopez and had a bunch of scrubs to work with, kiki V. Made the team far worse when he took over as “coach”.
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by CloudBurst on Jul 22, 2011 10:02 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
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by CloudBurst on Jul 22, 2011 10:02 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Yup, I saw Frank up close in NY and
no doubt that that man could coach. I frankly had the same bias against Frank that I had against Van Gundy when the Knicks got him. They just didnt LOOK like coaches. Come to find out, it was just my bias and both are good coaches.
I also think Frank makes a GREAT assistant coach. We could use him.
If the Broncos can be a destination for players...
Why can’t the Nuggets?
The NFL doesn’t seem to have this problem. Why?
great question pusherman
ESPN radio was just discussing this. I think that football is just different than basketball. Maybe, with the exception of QBs and diva receivers, NFLers are less starry eyed than NBAers that depends on instantly recognizable stars.
But I’d love to read an intelligent item on just this question
To further on your point
You have to consider the core differences between the sports. Football is a team sport, it takes about 25-30 guys doing their jobs and working together to be victorious. Basketball is a game that can be dominated by one player and thus can garner so much more attention then say a tight end or something like that
Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?
Anthony from bondage will deliver Gallinari
It really is hard to compare any of the major sports leagues to the NFL
It is such a juggernaut and not all of it has to do with the actual games. The NBA is star driven, and is marketed as such…so the problem with keeping players in Denver will continue until the Nuggets find that player who is both a star and is content where he is at.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jul 22, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Al Harrington!
"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
Afflalo is Boss.
by love4nuggets on Jul 22, 2011 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Gary Forbes!
/sarcasm on
I would say Anthony Carter, but we foolishly traded him and Balkman for Felton, Mozgov, and Chandler. Melo, Chauncey, and Gallinari were throw-ins in that trade.
/sarcasm off
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"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
The difference between the NFL and NBA is the schedule
NFL players get done with a game, it is the middle of Sunday afternoon and they are physically beat up and in need of some rest. If they do want to go out for some entertainment, their work day is over early enough to go to any entertainment options they want.
NBA players get done with a game, it usually after 11 p.m. and they are amped up and ready to go. There schedule is that they work late in the day, often travel through the night, and sleep most of the day. For an NBA player 11 PM to 6 AM is the equivalent of your 5 PM to 11 AM. So a big part of the appeal of a city is what is open and available for entertainment in the middle of the night. In Denver, not much. In NY, there are many more options.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 22, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
I buy the star argument (kind of), but not the schedule argument
However, there are stars in the NFL too..RBs, QBs, receivers. I don’t see anyone demanding to go the the Giants…and LA doesn’t even have a team for God’s sake.
Baseball is pretty similar as well. There are stars and, really, the only destination team is the NY Yankees and (maybe) Boston because they open the pocket books…and NY has crazy tradition.
BUT, I get it, NBA is star driven…but it seems like the demands are out of whack.
I'd say it's parity...and star power (aka ego)
NFL the league is built on teams being able to swing to the top in an off-season or two.
Most that admired the NBA through the years realize you’ve got a very select group of champions on a regular basis. Similiar to college football you draw the players in selling that your program continues to win.
Once you get past those options…you go to where they can expand their star power (stroke the ego). More then any other sport the stars are hyped in to celebrity model. Other sports detract this behavior of being above the team. NBA embraces it.
Nuggets types, huh?
I agree with Gallo. Hopefully he’s not too citified to consider Denver long-term. It was obvious that he loved NYC. But, in the event he develops as we hope, I think he could bond with Denver and Denver will love him.
I also see Ty. AAA and Nene as possible long termers. I just get a sense that they dont share Melo’s delusions of grandeur, delusions that were fed by many in the media.
And of course I fervently hope that Faried realizes his potential. (BTW, Gallo is only a year older than Faried so be patient with Gallo. He should get at least 2 more years to show us.)
However, much as I really like him and appreciate his game, I dont believe that Chandler wants to be in Denver. I think Denver should send him back to NY for T Douglas (an OK player) and maybe draft considerations.
I agree that Chandler has eyes for NY still. It would be difficult for him to get there
I know for a fact the Nuggets are banking heavily on Gallo becoming a star. I hope his development continues because attracting free agents to Denver has always been quite difficult.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jul 22, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Didn't you hear?
attracting free agents to Denver has always been quite difficult
Dwight Howard is planning to force his way to Denver next season. I’ve read numerous posts on the subject!
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 22, 2011 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol....Dwight is an interesting guy
I’d say he would stay with Orlando if they hadn’t been oddly managed the last two seasons. They can’t seem to get the right combination of players around him. I’d say the chances of the Nuggets getting him are slim to none…although I’d be disappointed if they didn’t at least try.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jul 22, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
They should make a phone call at least
But I agree that he’s not coming here. Orlando just can’t seem to find the perimeter scorer they desperately need. They’ve tried Richardson (two of em), Arenas, Turkoglu and Lewis. Nothing seems to click though. Could probably do with more of a facilitator at point guard as well
Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?
Anthony from bondage will deliver Gallinari
Phone call couldn't hurt
Maybe Dwight and Masai have a rapport from their work together in Basketball Without Borders. But yeah, he’s not coming to play here.
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by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 22, 2011 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Tsk tsk.
Howard hates nobody more than Nene, and it’s a respect-laden hatred. If Nene stays, I really believe we have a slight chance at landing D12. I think he is a player that truly wants to win and he and Nenasty would dominate so hard. Obviously we will have to pay through the nose, though.
"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
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by love4nuggets on Jul 22, 2011 9:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Hey now...
I would never imply he was forcing himself here. Once you look at the other options…we’re more appealing then a lot of the other teams/markets he can go to via free agency. Then again if there’s no 2011 season it gets a lot more convulded in the free agent market.
I think he’s more likely to resign with Orlando then to come to us…but you have to try and give your best hand. Otherwise I say stink it up again and hope for the lottery.
Then again with the Nuggets track record the lottery maybe the stoning kind.
Yes, and
the knicks weren’t the best option for Melo to win a title last year. And neither were the heat for Wade and James. Denver could have the best teammates, biggest contract, and best coach and free agents still wouldn’t want to come here.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 22, 2011 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Toney Douglas is not "an OK player"
His defense is suspect, his offense is 10 times more inconsistent than JR’s, and, as an undersized combo guard, he has no place on the Nuggets.
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O, man Jeff, that video!
That A-Ha – Take On Me video takes me back to early MTV and 30’ inch waists. Ah, good times.
I have a buddy who sings this song perfectly a karaoke. Good stuff
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jul 22, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
30 foot waists?!
/i know what you meant :D
Yea uh huh you know what it is
Blue and yellow blue and yellow
Blue and yellow blue and yellow
yea uh huh
Faried's absolute best should be a good role player
and he may have the attitude to stay in Denver. We shall see. I’m not sure about Ty… however I hope he proves me wrong. I just have this nagging feeling that Ty’s lack of consistent aggressiveness is more of a trend than we think.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jul 22, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
I havent noticed a lack of aggressiveness but
I’ll take your word on this . He does go in and out of games though.
My biggest plus for Ty is his speed but my biggest minus is his height. Look, 5’11 is 5’11 (that’s what he appears on TV) and in BB short is not good because you constantly have to compensate for it.
But Ty is just another intriguing ? for the Nugs. Can he be consistent when he takes the reins from preseason onward? We’ll see and cross our fingers.
I've always been a bit worried about how Ty has to be pushed to be aggressive
even at UNC he was that way. When he get’s passive this Nuggets offense grinds to halt.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jul 22, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions
He needs to trust his shot more as well
I see him pass up way too many good looks from 3pt
Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?
Anthony from bondage will deliver Gallinari
I love me some ty...
But I agree with Jeff. Plus his propensity to run with the young money crew is tough to swallow.
If it ain’t gallo, it ain’t nobody on this roster that’s going to become a bona fide star
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by REAPtheThird on Jul 22, 2011 11:58 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
At this point its Gallo or Lottery
and if Nene leaves it may be lottery anyway. lol
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jul 22, 2011 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions
The honeymoon is over
this team gets a honeymoon period after every big shakeup. They brought in Karl, and went on a big run that ended in the playoffs. They brought in AI and kept alive for the playoffs during the suspension. They dumped AI for Billups and the remnants from his prior coaching kept the honeymoon through the WCF’s. The honeymoon after the Melo trade lasted until about 10 to 15 games left in the regular season. Unless they make some major addition to bring on another honeymoon period, this looks like a 9th or 10 seed.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 22, 2011 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Then it could be Gallo and Lottery
I feel like Afflalo also could develop into a very solid player as well. Superstar is a bit much but a multiple all star kind of guy I could see
Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?
Anthony from bondage will deliver Gallinari
everyone seems to think Gallo has star potential
But I just don’t see it, I know he’s young but he just seems really inconsistent… That and watching him get rejected by the rim multiple times just has me worried
Clearly, he's a
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 22, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Remember Gallo was a different player pre broken toe
That game he played against Portland (where he broke the toe) is what the Nuggets envision for Gallinari going forward. He was aggressive, charged the basket, drew fouls and shot well. He has that potential.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jul 22, 2011 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions
JBnuggs, you're right and
Thanks for bringing that game up because it’s a game I watched intently. Here’s what happened.
Gallo played well. Look it up.
Gallo scored only 2 pts, but he didnt screw up the game by missing a bunch of shots. He basically stood back on offense. Everyone else was scoring and G didnt need to get his.
Here’s what else he did. In only 19 minutes, he had 4 rebounds, 2 steals, 3 blocked shots. He was basically matched up against P Pierce, a very fine player, and Gallo gave him hell on Dee. PP shot 7 – 18, 1 FS, 1 assist. Gallo matches up against him very well. Gallo is bigger and, believe it or not, more athletic than PP.
Gallo had a positive effect without even scoring and that’s why I think he has very good potential.
Oh, and the Nuggs whipped the Cs.
Yep, I remember that game very well but not quite like you do. (But I get your point)
Yeah Gallo was super solid that game.
Also, half of my buddies are more athletic than Paul “homophobic bigot” Pierce, and they’re all smarter and better looking than that pathetic disgusting douchebag.
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by love4nuggets on Jul 22, 2011 10:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Jackpot! Haha
"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
Afflalo is Boss.
by love4nuggets on Jul 23, 2011 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
yea I was there and it was a good game
Gallo had the best 2 point game I’ve ever seen! But I’m still not sold on him becoming a super star, although I want him to prove me wrong. My $$ is on Ty being our next all star
I love Gallo and I love Ty
but “Superstar” may be a bit out of reach for either player.
How about, “players that consistently outplay their opponents, occasionally play great, dont get attitudes, dont worry about their stats because they know personal stats dont win games, make clutch plays and dont try to pout selves out of Denver” Think Hedo when he was good, P Pierce in championship year, Ty Chandler not putting up line but helping team etc etc.
Think what we got right after the trade except in the playoffs we make foul shots, have Faried get rebs, Gallo settles in as initiator after Ty, have a healthy Mozgov (who helped neutralize Bynum in LA), a healthy AAA and I’m in. Would you settle for that?
I would. Love these guys.
"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
Afflalo is Boss.
by love4nuggets on Jul 23, 2011 6:38 PM MDT up reply actions
He does, and I'm rooting for him
And JR Smith occasionally drops ten 3’s in a game. There are a ton of players in the NBA with the talent to be stars that lack the mental part of the game.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 22, 2011 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Spot on Jeff
In that one, lone, solitary game vs Portland, Gallo showed what’s possible. I’m not saying probable. That kind of all around dominance is not really conceivable w/ AAA, Ty or Nene, much as I respect & love ’em
Gallo wasnt just on a lucky roll. Hell even I’ve been on rolls where midcourts werent out of the question.. But he showed that very possibly he could control a game, that at 6’10 he can run an offense and he’s a bit of a nervous Nelly with his shot, but he has an unbelievable shot. D’Antoni was stupid to pronounce him the greatest shooter he ever saw (put a bullseye on him) but I’m sure he saw something special.
I’m not unrealistic re Gallo. I see his deficiencies. But at 6’10, 220 – 240 lbs, has a handle, could shoot, is smart, for most of last year foul shooting neared 90% (had many long streaks), willing, motivated, unselfish – just a lot to like
I’ll add a stat that is astonishing. He scores 1.5 pts per shot. That’s incredible efficiency to get at 15 – 16 ppg. It’s a rate I havent seen matched by any other player. Melo was at 1.25 pp shot. Are you going to tell me that Gallo wouldnt tally 10 more ppg if he took 10 more shots a game? Do you honestly believe that his rate would go from 1.5 points per shot to < 1 point per shot over the additional 10 shots? No way!
But, BB is so mental. You have to be OK with being THE man, THE shooter. It takes physical and mental energy to be consistent. That’s the question with Gallo.
I like Ty and Gallo to be the stars going forward, but there is another...
Jordan Hamilton. Yes he did go 26th overall, but this was a major slip every draft board had him going in the lottery. The man was the top ranked sf coming out of high school 2 years ago. After an awful freshman season, he got his maturity together, and averaged 19 and 8 in Texas’ slow methodical system. I can only imagine what he can do in our up tempo offense. I think he can be very very good for us, especially if he improves his maturity and decision making.
Didn't he own a Melo Jersey too?
I remember reading an interview on him watching the Nuggets when he was in High School.
JR sign somewhere else, so we can get a guy who is not so Bi-polar.
Trade Chandler and Felton for another shooter.
by SD_Nugget_Fan on Jul 23, 2011 2:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Karl doesn't like to play offense-first rookies unless they are from UNC
I’m certain that we’ve gone over this numerous times
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
its more about the management than the location
I think the same question could be asked of San Antonio which has been able to retain and build a quality core over time. Likewise, ideal locations like LA and NY have not created a successful franchise for the Clippers and the Knicks either. The issue is more about the quality of the coach and the esprit that the players have with the staff, management and owners moreso than the town that they are with. I’m not sure that Karl breeds an environment that leaves his team clamoring to sign on the dotted line.
No NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
My midseason George Karl replacement is interviewing with the Timberwolves. I’ve been holding my breath that no one would hire Adelman so he’s available for the nuggets. I just have to rely on David Kahn to make one more bad decision and not hire Adelman.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 22, 2011 2:42 PM MDT reply actions
I'd like that
I just see Karl as too erratic
Ehh, Kahn's not that stupid
He’s interviewing Don Nelson, and seems pretty impressed by what he’s done. Nelson would actually be decent with the Wolves, as he’d play Rubio and he’d play smallball, which they could use since their center rotation is Millicic-Pekovic-Tolliver… a Rubio-Johnson-Beas-Williams-Love starting lineup looks great on paper
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
what about jr
i think jr would love to be a lifetime nugget if the coach showed a little love. yes, he’s a knucklehead, but i think he’s been handled as badly by Karl as possible, so mostly it was about the coach and not the town, per se.
If Durant doesn't win a title before his contract is up
Then he will probably go to Dallas or Houston. But he has a good chance of winning in OKC
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The Colorado type?
We would have a team full of..
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That's funny as hell!!!
Did ya haftoo black out his teeth and tongue too? Sheeesh!
No, he's just like that
Living in the mountains, roughhousiing, and playing hockey all day will do that to you
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
who???
I dont watch a lot of Bucks game.
JR sign somewhere else, so we can get a guy who is not so Bi-polar.
Trade Chandler and Felton for another shooter.
by SD_Nugget_Fan on Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Looks like Jonathan Brockman
aka Scott Hastings favorite player
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jul 23, 2011 2:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Otherwise known as Bron Jockman
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
So he is stiff?
Good Ole Scotty!!!
JR sign somewhere else, so we can get a guy who is not so Bi-polar.
Trade Chandler and Felton for another shooter.
by SD_Nugget_Fan on Jul 25, 2011 1:11 AM MDT up reply actions
He is a less talented modern day Bill Hanzlik
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
Ty Lawson is the best player on the Nuggets
Not Gallo, not Nene, not Afflalo — Ty. Period. If anybody is the future of the franchise, its undoubtedly Ty Lawson.
As for the “type of player” willing to stay in Denver for an extended period of time, I think its overblown because of the Melo situation. Melo wanted to be a celebrity just as much, if not more, as he did a good ball player and that’s why he bounced. I think plenty (around 80% or more) or dudes would be more than happy to play in Denver if they just have talent around them.
by GoldenNugget on Jul 23, 2011 12:06 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Agreed
We have been shackled with bad contracts for so long now that we think that quality free agents don’t want to come here to play. I just don’t think we had the money to impress anyone since pre-Kenyon Martin.
I’m excited to see who we can pull in.
"I am te real mozgov. Stopp say I fake fans"
by KevinAwesome on Jul 23, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
I dont necessarily agree Ty is best Nug
and I’d rather the best Nug be 7’1" (Moz), 6’10"(Nene or Gallo), or 6’6"(AAA). Very few teams have done anything with 5’11 superstars.
But, if TY Was THE man, heck I love TY, and I’m only a couple inches taller, so that would be terrific.
But, I’m sorry, 5’11 is 5’11 and with little guys, unless you have Isaih’s amazing ability, Iverson’s and Rose’s freakish athleticism, Nash’s ungodly basketball creativity, not to mention all time shooting, it’s hard to have a star impact. My question? What does Ty have to be that special at that height?
Can he shoot lites out like that one game? Outrun the whole other team consistently?
Nobody said he's gonna be Rose
Or Nash, or Isiah, or Iverson. All I said was that he’s the best Nugget right now. But to your point, I think he does three things exceptionally well: pass, dribble and run. I think when he combines all those and improves his jump shot, he’ll be a deadly force. I think Ty is gonna surprise a LOT of people next year, especially people on this blog.
by GoldenNugget on Jul 23, 2011 11:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Hmmmm
OK, I was impressed with Ty. And I love what he brings.
The way you phrase it, “best nugget right now” – maybe. But my point is that for this team to make noise in the playoffs, IMO we need someone other than Ty to be the best Nug.
Maybe, that’s why we lost to OKC. Not that it was Ty’s fault but if he was our best I dont see us beating teams that feature Durant, Kobe, Dirk etc.
But, if I’m wrong, I’ll be happy to be so because I love that guy and root really hard for him as I root hard for Nene, Gallo, Will, JR, Moz, AAA – all personal faves.
You're correct
There’s no way were going to beat teams like the Thunder, Lakers and Mavs with Ty as our best player, but that’s George Karl’s fault as much as anyone’s. If we want to compete out West we must somehow obtain a superstar, but that’s kind of the problem. The way I see it the Nugs can’t really land that dude via the draft unless we make some kind or miraculous trade, and we much cap space as we have I still don’t see any Lebrons coming to Denver anytime soon. Who knows, maybe Ujiri will pull something off.
by GoldenNugget on Jul 24, 2011 2:58 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't see how that relates to being Karl's fault
Free agents are more likely to come to a Karl-coached team than, say, an Issel-coached team
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
Being a newly minted Nug fan, I have to ask
whata issa thisa “Issel” thada you keepa taking abowt?
Ever since I lost my sarcasm detector last week, I haven't been able to tell if people are being sarcastic
So I’ll assume that you’re not.
Dan Issel played with the Kentucky Colonels for a while back when the ABA existed, and he was definitely a top-5 player in that league. Then, he got sold to some other franchise before ending up with the Denver Rockets(ABA)/Nuggets(NBA). Even though he was starting to get up there in years during the later part of the tenure with the Nuggets, Issel was a very talented and consistent All-Star who helped guide the Denver Nuggets to relative success in our first years in the NBA.
Then, eight (seven?) years after Issel retired from the NBA, he got a job with the Nuggets as head coach, and… well, I wasn’t alive back then so I’m not sure if he was a good coach or not, but he did lead that 42-win Nuggets team in ‘93-’94 to a first-round upset of the George Karl-coached 63-win Seattle Supersonics. Issel resigned halfway through the next season for some reason.
In 1998, Issel returned to the team, but this time as President and GM. That was the year after that disastrous 1997 draft (Tony Battie with the 5th pick!) and subsequent horrendous season (11-71, second worst in NBA history). In 1999, Issel named himself the coach and *Kiki Vandeweghe the GM. He did a horrible job, but the Nuggets’ ownership situation was a complete mess at the time.
There was also that December 2001 incident that led to his resignation, but I won’t go into depth with that here.
Evidently, Issel is struggling with debt, and he’s looking towards getting an NBA job again.
If there’s anything wrong about my account, please feel free to correct me
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
*In case you didn't know, it was under Kiki Vandeweghe's tenure in Denver that the following happened:
2002 NBA draft: We had the 5th pick, and we traded with the Knicks for the 7th pick. With the 5th pick, we drafted NBA Superstar Nikoloz Tskitishvili ahead of scrubs like Amar’e Stoudemire, Caron Butler, Carlos Boozer, Luis Scola, Tayshaun Prince, and Melvin Ely. With the 7th pick, we picked the man who recently rejected a damn-good contract offer from us.
2004 offseason: We traded 3 first-round draft picks to trade for Kenyon Martin and his 7-year, $91-million contract.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
pretty good summation Lack
and you saying that you weren’t alive when Issel was hired just made me feel really old. lol
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jul 24, 2011 10:23 PM MDT up reply actions
OH, you wanna talk old, Jeff?
I was being a little facetious asking about Issel in my heavy Italian accent. Look, I’m 53 and I very well remember Issel.
I recall he was a great player and he was on a terrific team and the ABA was loaded with talent.
Still feel old, Jeff?:)
And Lack, thanks so much for your treatise on Issel. It was very well done but I didnt mean for anyone to do all that work (I’m smiling real hard as I write this). So, thank you.
And look, I bet there are plenty of readers who dont know who the hell Issel was to the ABA & Denver.
Well now they know, and they may know waaaay more than they ever wanted (I’m now laughing real hard, but in a respectful good-natured way) to know about Issel and .. oh, gotta catch my breath, I better just log out or the laughing is going to mess up my sleep.
Thanks again LACK, love your posts
I still feel old
but you must feel ancient! :-p
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jul 25, 2011 1:07 AM MDT up reply actions
I got Issel's autograph once
He is in one word…tall
Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?
Anthony from bondage will deliver Gallinari
If Moz is the best Nuggets
Then we should be looking at about 10 wins
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
Whoops
*Nugget, not Nuggets
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
He could pass for a couple.
"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
Afflalo is Boss.
by love4nuggets on Jul 25, 2011 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions
OK, pretty funny & I dont see Moz as being our best player
My point is that it has to be big to medium-sized guys that take on the “star” roles.
Re: Moz, if – IF, he contributes, just contributes – he will be as valuable as almost any other player on Nugs. Last I looked, 7’1" is 7’1" I know his stats suck but I think we lost something when he went down.
Let’s hope he contributes because he’s big, he’s athletic, he can actually shoot, he’s cheap and I doubt he has a diva complex. His problem is frankly between his ears. Cross your fingers. “There’s no place like home.”
Star or no stars, some player(s) will distinguish self from others. I think that’s most likely to be either Nene, Gallo, and/or Ty with Will providing consistency & punch and AAA providing leadership and gonads.
Lights out
Lawson has great potential to develop those intangibles that Billups was known for and that cannot be measured by statistics. I guarantee you that in 3 years, Lawson will be a much better team player than Rose currently is or Iverson ever was.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
OK LACK
I’m rooting for your position but I cant bet on it. Not yet anyway.
I love Ty too. He and AAA are Denver types
I see him playing at near All-star level this season. He needs a reliable floater and a step-back lane jumper to keep opposing centers from just waiting flat-footed to block his layups, and he needs to shoot the pull-up 3 with confidence. 18 and 7 in 30 mpg.
I want Ty and AAA as co-captains. AAA may never be an All-star (perhaps unjustly), but he is and will continue to be a fine all-around player. With a couple more touches, he should be the most efficient 15+ppg guard in the NBA.
Gallo will be top scorer, and I agree with those above who say he is a a swell player who plays hard at both ends. 20ppg, 5 rpg, 3apg
OT: Rockies lose again, fall to 6 below .500
This is why I hope the lockout ends soon and NBA (L)action resumes as normal.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
And that's in the MLB
Even though the MLB season is twice as long as the NBA season, the chance that a team is 6 or 7 under .500 is actually about the same in both leagues, possibly even less likely in the MLB compared to the NBA because of the relative parity and because of how baseball is played.
Translated into NBA record-language, the Rockies would sit at around 37-45 or 38-44. Of course, if we lose both Nene and Kenyon in FA, we could be looking at a 50-loss season
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Sometimes I get this crazy dream, that I could just drive off in my car. But you can travel over ten thousand miles, and still stay where you are" - Harry Chapin
I'm liking the deals that Ujiri conjures.
With that and all the cheese lying around we could end up on par with where we were last year and lots of room to grow two or three years down the road
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