Dempsey: Nene will opt out...
by Nate Timmons on Jun 30, 2011 9:28 AM MDT
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PrintChris Dempsey of the Denver Post is reporting that Nene will indeed opt out of his contract and become an unrestricted free agent. What does this mean to the Nuggets and Nuggets Nation? Click through to find out...
The implications of Nene opting out:
1.) The Nuggets retain Nene’s bird-rights, meaning they can offer him more money than any other team. But he can get that big money from the Nuggets with another team via a sign-and-trade.
2.) If Nene had stayed in his current deal, the extension the Nuggets offered would have kicked in after next season and Nene never would have tested free agency.
3.) Nene is now an unrestricted free agent and is free to visit, negotiate, and sign offers with any club he wants. Denver does not have a chance to match any offers.
Nene could still re-sign with the Nuggets and he might just do that. But now 29 other teams will be bidding for his services and his price may get driven up. How far? The open market will now determine Nene’s value.
This is pretty disastrous news for the Nuggets franchise as their one true "franchise" player is now going to become a free agent. I'm not sure if Denver will be able to keep Nene, but what suitors will he have? Most teams that would want Nene will likely have to come calling to the Nuggets' front office for a sign-and-trade offer.
Nene has played all nine of his NBA seasons in Denver. The Nuggets have seen him through his battles with testicular cancer and ACL surgery. During his time in Denver he went from being a incredibly athletic power forward, to a center with an array of moves in the post and a nice jumper to boot.
This past season (2010-11) Nene averaged 14.5 points and 7.6 rebounds. For his career he averaged 12.3 points and 7 rebounds. Nene is an all to willing passer (2.0 assists per game last season and 1.8 assists per game for his career) and frustrated the fans with his willingness to pass up the easy bucket in favor of a kick-out pass.
There is no question that the Nuggets have a shot to retain the big man, but - like I stated above- the open market will now determine Nene's value. This situation is the Nuggets worst nightmare, but it's Nene's agent's dream. Big men in the NBA are hard to come by and the athletic Nene - who can score and defend - will be a very hot item in free agency.
The only question is what teams will come calling for his services? The Lakers could surely interest the Nuggets if they offered up Pau Gasol in a sign-and-trade deal. Nene instantly makes L.A. a bit younger and the Lakers would surely overpay for his services if they are really looking to shake up their roster. There is no question the Orlando Magic would love to pair Nene with Dwight Howard, but they don't have much to offer up in a sign-and-trade and wouldn't be able to grab the big man with their salary cap issues. The Miami Heat? Not with their money problems ... but would they offer up Chris Bosh? The Celtics would love to replace Kendrick Perkins with Nene, but again - money issues. What about the New Orleans Hornets? Chris Paul needs a new go-to guy if David West bails, but would Nene consider signing down in the Bayou?
Well, what about the San Antonio Spurs? Tim Duncan's window for another title is closing fast and Nene would look good on that squad. The Spurs would have to clear up some space and move Tony Parker and/or Richard Jefferson to make it work. The Phoenix Suns might have enough assets to offer the Nuggets up a deal to try to get Steve Nash his last shot at a title. Would Denver take Robin Lopez or Marcin Gortat in some type of packaged deal? The Bulls didn't have a lot of success with Carlos Boozer in his first year in Chicago, but I doubt Denver would be eager to add him.
All the contenders seem to have some issues with being able to sign Nene outright, and I doubt the Nuggets will want to move him for some of the problem players on those rosters. I don't really see Nene wanting to sign with a non-contending team, but stranger things have happened.
This will surely be an interesting debate among Nuggets Nation. Some feel Nene is too soft and Denver could find better options down the road, rather than overpaying to keep Nene. I'm in the camp that would love to see Nene come back, but with the handshake from George Karl that he'd be able to slide over to power forward with the Nuggets.
I don't know what Nene's demands will be, but it would be horrible to see him in a different uniform ...
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Oh. My. God.
I think I’m going to cry
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That was my reaction as well.
I will not be sleeping well tonight.
by TENNESSEETITANS on Jun 29, 2011 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Nuggets new payroll (corrected from the fanpost...still excluding cap hits)
$21 million
Proposed flex cap
$62 million….
yikes
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the Nuggets highest paid player on their payroll is Andre Miller
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 29, 2011 9:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Well they haven't even had time to sign anyone yet
so it’s pretty damn early to declare this to mean they are going super cheap. I kind of like seeing humongous cap room for once,
Did I say they were going cheap?
I’m merely pointing out that their roster is a bit….light.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 29, 2011 9:52 PM MDT up reply actions
I just found your "yikes" to be premature
now if it stays at 21 million by March then I’m jumping out of a window…of a 1 story house…but a window none the less.
It would be interesting to see what the extension offer was...
All we know is it was 3 years.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 29, 2011 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Jeff, you're being waaaaaaay to premature with those comments...
…but we’ll see what happens.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 29, 2011 9:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Not premature
I’m just wary….very wary
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 29, 2011 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Does your numbers include resigning of:
AAA at a higher salary as well as Chandler?
Bird makes abt $4.5
Big Al makes about $5.7
Lawson makes about $1.5,
Miller makes $7.2
Moz makes 3.5
Gallo makes 3.3
Faried prob makes 1
Hamiltion makes close to 1
Kosta makes 1.2
These guys total about $28.7 before you add AAA and CHandler.
Where di you get 21M?
Check here
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/denver.htm
Just deduct Nene’s salary. The three rookies aren’t yet signed (and won’t be until the CBA is signed.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 29, 2011 11:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Looking at that...Hoopshype doesn't add QA's and options
So ….28 mil is probably more accurate.
My bad.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 29, 2011 11:19 PM MDT up reply actions
it's still too early to say
Add in Afflalo’s projected extension, Chandler’s probable deal and future deals for Ty Lawson and the number will rocket up (in future years). Thus, I don’t blame Kroenke for playing it light this year
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by LACK on Jun 30, 2011 1:18 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Stan approves those numbers.
JR sign somewhere else, so we can get a guy who is not so Bi-polar.
Trade Chandler and Felton for another shooter.
by SD_Nugget_Fan on Jun 29, 2011 10:22 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd like to see us sign and trade him to Portland
for Batum and Camby and future draftpicks/cash. Batum/Gallo/Lawson would make a nice core to build around for the future.
If there was ever a season to tank it for all the marbles(I mean ping pong balls) this would be the one
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by The U.N. Fab Five on Jun 29, 2011 9:46 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Don't get me wrong
Im not in favor of this. But the 2012 draft is stacked. Something else that may happen is this might cause an avalanche effect. What I mean is if Nene does leave you may see multiple others go too. If he stays a few others may as well.
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by The U.N. Fab Five on Jun 29, 2011 9:50 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
2012 draft will indeed be stacked
However, our young players may feel like demanding a trade if they realize that they’re tanking. Also, I feel like we are in a good position to contend in the west, and I have
faith in Ujiri’s ability to make good trades and picks
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by LACK on Jun 30, 2011 1:22 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Well the fanshot was deleted so I'll repeat myself
this is the best move for him as an individual because he can find his value and then force the Nugs to pay up or risk him leaving. For the Nuggets it’s pretty much lose/lose because they will end up overpaying for him or losing him as some stupid team will likely overpay.
Ourain goal is to get good value in return for Nene
I’m not sure why the Lakers would want to S&T Nene for Gasol, but I’d be in favor of it. Nene may be younger than Gasol, but they’ve both played the same number of years and Gasol’s injury history is much better than Nene’s
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by LACK on Jun 30, 2011 1:26 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Whoops
“Our main”, not “ourain”
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by LACK on Jun 30, 2011 1:27 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
how do we have this much cap space?
21 out of 62 max? There’s no way we can lose nene. Just give him whatever he wants
Barf...
If you think Nene is a poor rebounder…
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 29, 2011 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions
I think Denver's rebounding issues were addressed
Give Nene the money.
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Ehh we're still undersized
And Karl refuses to play Mozgov
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GIVE SKITA A 5-YEAR, $50-MILLION CONTRACT!!
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by LACK on Jun 30, 2011 1:29 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s a big question. Does he want money? Does he want a better shot at a title? Does he want to play PF? Who knows…
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 29, 2011 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions
He wants to be play PF (that's where the Sacrifice comments came from)
And for him to opt out with the uncertainty of a new CBA tells me he is really upset with the Nuggets for something… This is his chance to be the man here, but opting out doesnt suggest that he wants that.
He is NOT a max player and the most he can get from the Nuggets is a 3 yr extension. Nuggets offer at abt $11-12M a year (which per his numbers is a bit high). However, Nene has more value to the Nuggets than is 14 and 7 numbers, but at what price do you overpay a guy? Is he really worth 14-15M per year? I don’t think so, but can you afford not to sign him?
Tough questions to answer.
Yes
There is definitely something that Nene is grumpy about in the organization. Could simply be a lack of postseason success. Could be something else.
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What's more preferable
overpay for Nene with the cap room we have and keep him or lose him by not budging? I wouldn’t mind giving him 1-2 million more than he may be worth because losing him hurts much more.
by Phil H. on Jun 29, 2011 10:01 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
If Nene opted in to his contract
the Nuggets payroll would only be (excluding cap hits) 32 million…they could probably afford to kick up a few million…
The question is…where does the difference in money lie?
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 29, 2011 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Seriously,
How far apart are the sides on this? Is Nene REALLY asking for a Max contract (in the old CBA)?
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Once the CBA expires he's going to wish he took the extension
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by George Karl Marx on Jun 29, 2011 10:10 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't think so
even with the owners latest proposals the decrease in annual pay won’t be much less.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 29, 2011 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm thinking max annual pay will be capped at 15 mil
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 29, 2011 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions
But that q
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
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by LACK on Jun 30, 2011 1:30 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Ugh damnit I suck at typing on my phone
I think that that number would only apply to those with at least 10 years experience
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by LACK on Jun 30, 2011 1:32 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree
I think the looks are that the NBA is going to force the players to have a NFL type system, with a hard cap, max salary, and non guarenteed contracts, my guess is that all the “contender” teams are going to be at or above the cap and need to dump payroll, other teams aren’t going to overpay for Nene IMO, I think Nene cost himself alot of money.
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Didn't Nene give some quotes indicating he thought he was underappreciated
at the end of the season. Did Karl or the coaches start razzing Nene too much about not stepping it up to the next level? Is this hurt feelings about not getting contract offers when we gave one to Melo a year earlier?
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by Artimus Mangilord on Jun 30, 2011 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Harrison would be my pick
but it would mean Afflalo would be off the bench…Sullinger wouldn’t be bad either
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A little over reaction here, fellas
1. The Nuggets have a good chance of resigning Nene and with a new CBA that fair-market value is likely to be lower and the impact on teams caps, higher. We can basically match anything that comes our way. So lets not jump off any bridges yet.
2. If Nene does leave, its not the end of the world. We are starting a youth movement here in Denver, in a psuedo-rebuilding mode. I think we can still make the Playoffs without Nene, plus we’d have the ability to sign any other FA’s that come on the market in the next few years (M. Gasol, for example). We’d be worse, yes. But I don’t think it would be as horrible as everyone is saying. A lot of how well we handle Nene’s loss depends upon the emergence of Mozgov. I’m not sold on him, but we’ll have to see.
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by George Karl Marx on Jun 29, 2011 10:09 PM MDT reply actions
hmmmm
I think we can still make the Playoffs without Nene
that’s a bit on the optimistic side
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 29, 2011 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Denver can’t match as Nene is unresticted. He may give the Nuggets an opportunity to match or beat an offer, but it’s all up to Nene.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 29, 2011 10:32 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Jeff or Nate
I understand Nene is an UFA. Point #1 in the post about offering him more money than any other team doesn’t come into play here since we’re so far off the cap, right?
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by Artimus Mangilord on Jun 30, 2011 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions
in other words
we could offer him hte moon and he still wouldn’t have to take it, but we could go over the cap to do it since we have his bird rights
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by Artimus Mangilord on Jun 30, 2011 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Well, max contracts only let you offer so much. And with the new CBA coming into play Nene is taking a gamble now because whatever deal he gets will come under the new CBA guidelines for payroll.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 30, 2011 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions
Thanks, Nate
What a time to test the waters. So many unknowns and uncontrollable aspects.
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by Artimus Mangilord on Jun 30, 2011 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions
Well, it’s not like the max salary is going to be $5 million. Nene was set to make $11.6 for the upcoming season and when it’s all said and done he will get some type of raise and a 3-4 year contract to boot.
He’ll probably sign for like 4 years in the $50-$60 million range… (if I had to guess).
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 30, 2011 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Right on George Karl Marx
I think you injected some reasoned thoughts on Nene
I love Nene, want him back, think he’s better than his stats
But stats mean something. In his best year, Nene avg 14 pts, < 8 rebs and suffered terrible free throw issues. That’s decent but not really cornerstone much less franchise stuff.
Looky herel, unless there is development on other fronts (Gallo, Moz), & Faried pans out & AAA stays healthy, we arent going nowhere. But, if those goals are realized, we’ll be better with or without Nene.
You're looking too far into bulk stats
Just look at Nene’s advanced stats and positional scarcity. You’ll see why he’s the most coveted free agent this year.
Regardless fo bulk stats, Nene is worth more to most teams than Melo, and he got the max…. Which is more a reflection of Melo being overpaid than Nene being good but whatever.
agreed
that’s why I love Nene
But you have to walk a fine line here and much as I like Nene we should not confuse him with great big men
Yes, we want him back but, like Chandler, cost is the key. He’s valuable but is he worth 15 mil? That’s the issue.
Here's the crux
Is Nene a player who will drive a team to wins, season and playoffs or is he just a good, very good, piece.
Again, I love Nene but I think he’s a very good piece of the whole.
Either way, he’s gonna get his money
agreed
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by The U.N. Fab Five on Jun 29, 2011 10:14 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
What
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by The U.N. Fab Five on Jun 29, 2011 10:15 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
is there a salary floor?
if we only have $21M under contract, don’t we need to sign some major contracts? does that mean that we are doomed to overpay someone?
let’s overpay nene and let him play PF!!!
I still say S&T would be better for us...
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by LACK on Jun 30, 2011 1:34 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
28.7 mil on the salaries guys
not 21 mil…
My bad.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 29, 2011 11:21 PM MDT reply actions
You only sign and trade guys who are going to be more than maxed
I don’t think Nene is going to be more than maxed. The unfortunate news, and in previous years this would have been good news, is that everyone in the league just saw how valuable Tyson Chandler was and he doesn’t average very many points, plays really good defense, brings a lot to the table.
Why does a team need to sign and trade when they can just sign him? I just hope he’s somewhat loyal, we can appeal to that, and we offer him some non-monetary perks – hell build a statue of the guy, I don’t care, just get him signed.
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Many teams that would want to sign Nene are not able to
Because they are over the current cap, which is set to decrease with the new CBA
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by LACK on Jun 30, 2011 1:36 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Miami did sign-and-trade deals for LeBron and Bosh, and they were NOT “more than maxed” …
Also, I’m just looking at contenders who might want Nene and they all seem to have money issues.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 30, 2011 8:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Didn't Dirk opt out before he signed with the Mavs?
Let’s hope that happens here too.
We do have a contender if Nene is on the team (especially if Gallo takes the next step).
We will be the Timberwolves otherwise. Let’s hope Ujiri gets this done, most important action in his tenure is if he re-signs Nene ImO
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by JR15 on Jun 30, 2011 12:03 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Great point on Dirk...
Dirk also said he had no other teams call him b/c they knew he was going to re-sign. Not sure that is the case with Nene, especially since he talked about feeling under-appreciated in Denver.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 30, 2011 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions
if we don't sign nene
don’t we have to sign someone to a major contract (i.e. $10M+ per year) because we have so much cap space?
dunno how we'd fare without Neńe's free throws in the air.
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We won't be in danger of having too little salary
once we have re-signed AAA, Chandler and Forbes plus 2 rookies.
But we need to make Nene a serious offer, or trade the f++k out of him soon, becaue as the season (if there is one) progresses he will become less and less of a trade chip and more and more of a salary dump.
The Nuggets cannot trade Nene. He is an unrestricted free agent. The only way the Nuggets would be able to trade him is if he wants to sign a deal with Team X and they contact the Nuggets and work something out. But, like I mentioned above – if Orlando calls and says, “How about Gilbert Arenas?” Ujiri would just hang up. The Nuggets are in a tough spot, in some regards.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 30, 2011 8:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Also, the sign-and-trade rarely leads to a good deal. If Nene wants to be on a certain team he may take less money to sign with them if they have cap issues.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 30, 2011 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions
On the plus side...
It’ll probably be a year from now until we find out where Nene is going to sign.
If he leaves, I hope Denver trims more of their salary. Guys like Andre, Andersen and Harrington in particularly. There’s no reason to have mediocre players taking up space if the team is going young.
Andre is worth his salary IMO
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by LACK on Jun 30, 2011 5:05 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
is nene worth
a top 5 pick for next year? Can we do that?
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by CloudBurst on Jun 30, 2011 6:36 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Again, Nene is an unrestricted free agent – the Nuggets cannot trade him.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 30, 2011 8:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Andre would be worth it
If we were a top 5 team in the west. If we’re in the 7-10 range, what’s the point?
Guess I don’t see the reason in keeping Andre so we can get swept in the first round.
Smart Move By Team Nene
This is the right move for Nene, as the top free agent on the market. The.new CBA gives Denver a solid chance to re-sign him, or do a sign and trade. I would hate to lose him for nothing, but I am not so sure that Moz and Koufus could not match his production at Center, and give Denver a chance to sign a decent PF (David West).
by ACEIII on Jun 30, 2011 6:45 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Nuggets Will Have to Decide Whether Nene is a Max Player
After watching him in 4 th quarters and playoff games, with his lousy free throws and softness taking the ball to the rim, I’m just not sure he is a max player. A really good player, for sure. But Nene has never made an all-star team. So, if some team is willing to max Nene out, maybe a sign and trade makes most sense by both sides.
by ACEIII on Jun 30, 2011 7:33 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Also, it seems odd
That everyone keeps mentioning Boston and Atlanta as potential teams for him. Unless he is willing to take a mammoth pay cut, that’s not happening.
Josh Smith is not the kind of player you want around young guys … not at all.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 30, 2011 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions
not saying its a good idea
but thats how an ATL trade works. they have been slyly shopping Jsmith. nene wld be a coup for them
GK was/is the problem
What player would want to play for GK? I do not think he helps improve players or gives them confidence that would help them improve. All he does is sound smart when being interviewed. I know if I were JR, Nene, Kenyon, or RF I would want to leave.
Don't Think So
By all accounts, Nene and GK are tight and helped each other through their respective cancer battles. I think Nene has been unhappy with playing Center, and wants assurances he will finish his career as a PF. GK needs to commit to Moz/Bird/ Koufus at Center and declare Nene will only play PF. Also, Nene wants max money, so the franchise will have to decide if he is worth that kind of contract in mid-market Denver. Next summertime is going to be a big summer as far as free agents and the draft, so maybe this needs to be a 12 month plan, so Nuggs have maximum flexibility next summer.
by ACEIII on Jun 30, 2011 7:57 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
If There is Only a Partial Season This Year
This may not be a bad season to tank. Rather than overpaying Nene, you sign and trade him for a pick or two, give the young guys Gallo, AAA, Ty, Faried, Moz, Hamilton and Koufus a ton of minutes, lose a lot of games, get a couple of solid first rounders next summer AND have a ton of money for a free agent.
by ACEIII on Jun 30, 2011 8:02 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Above plan would be fun to watch
Those young guys will play hard and the right way, develop their talents, and be set-up for a HUGE summer of 2012. I would pay to go so that team play knowing the future is incredibly bright. We would be like OkC a few years ago.
by ACEIII on Jun 30, 2011 8:06 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Valid pts
but – gk is still the problem – he could’ve played nene with mozgov. He could’ve done more to heal the relationship with JR….etc. He is pompous.
I Agree that GK is a problem
I am of this mindset as well, although I see him more as stubborn/rigid than pompous. I just don’t get the sense that people really want to play for him, or that they are motivated by him in general. I genuinely like Karl as a person, and love his old-school attitudes about the “right way to play” and all of his philosophical meanderings … in fact, from a pure love of the game standpoint, I think he deserves a championship as much as anyone and I would love to see him get one. Unfortunately he doesn’t really ever seem to be in tune with the players we have or to be able to adjust in games to get the best lineups on the floor rather than the players he’s most comfortable with. It cost us the Thunder series and one of the best opportunities to win a championship we might see this decade with the 2 top teams in the West sitting it out. Either way, I hope we can keep Nene. He’d be very difficult to replace and is a cornerstone of this team. He also blossomed a bit when Mr. Ballhog went to NY and I think he will only grow with this less selfish Nugget team.
this isn't college
the NBA players who can pick and choose are not picking their destinations because of the coach. Doc Rivers was almost run out of the league and then comes back to win in Boston, he coaches the same old school way that GK does. All he needed was a KG to back him and finally Paul Pierce buys in not because of Rivers but because of KG. Karl wins in Beantown with the same team Rivers had and maybe one more.
These players depending on where they are in their careers are picking geography first wins second.
The GK sucks bit is getting tiresome.
I think you hit it dead on
Nene knows he’s NOT A CENTER. Sorry to anyone who thinks he is. KARL has forced him into that role so he can play small ball. If you ask me Karl has no choice once basketball resumes(in a year). He has the resources to play HUGE now and the real fan base knows it. A real basketball fan can see that GK small ball works in tiny spirts. Not over the course of 2 seasons. This team needs play HUGE front line and mix up the back court. I would support a Line up of Ty AAA Gallo Nene Moz. Backed by Miller,Chandler, Hamilton, Faried,Koufas and bird. That group Is respectable on bothenda of the floor.
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by The U.N. Fab Five on Jun 30, 2011 4:48 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I suppose if Nene leaves
and JR sticks around, I would put Gallo at the 4 and Chandler at the 3 with Mozgov as the starting center
So our lineup would look like this
PG Lawson/Miller
SG Afflalo/Smith
SF Chandler/Hamilton
PF Gallo/Faried/Cheeseburger
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Gallo at the 4?
Granted he has the size, but the Cccccourage to play 4?
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 30, 2011 8:08 AM MDT up reply actions
with Nene leaving
that leaves us with NO post scoring, so Gallo at the 4 may have to fly (Maybe he could play like Dirk!). Plus I think Chandler’s grittiness (Defense and Rebounding) at the 3 would help as well
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The T-Wolves have a log jam at PF
maybe we could have one of theirs…I call dibs on Dark-O maybe
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by waterboy31321 on Jun 30, 2011 8:15 AM MDT up reply actions
No logjam in Minny
Wolves can take their time to see how Derrick and Wesley develop, while Love and Beasely continue to get starters’ minutes.
When they have figured that out, Kahn can trade one of them for Eddie Curry.
What does this say about George Karl?
Sorry if someone above has posted this but I’m starting to wonder how his system is perceived in general from within the game. Obviously he’s had his issues with past players, then there’s Felton, an NC guy who couldn’t be happy and the NC “clique” is one of the tightest in basketball.
Do people not like Karl’s style? Is there a lack of faith he can take a team beyond good to great? I’m beginning to wonder.
I don’t think Felton was unhappy with Karl, it had to do with his role with the team. With Afflalo coming back healthy that would have meant less minutes for Felton. Ray wanted to lead a team while he was in the prime of his career, not play behind another point guard.
Now if Denver didn’t have Lawson as the starter and only Felton in town AND he asked to be traded, I could see your point.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 30, 2011 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions
I would follow that with Nate
Ray is a starting PG entering the prime of his career, he doesn’t want to be a backup, I can’t blame him for that.
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nene is not leaving...
look it is smart for him to opt out… he will get more money as other teams will drive up his market value.
What determines where he will sign?
Place
Contender
money
Position
place-His wife is from Colorado he likes it here and wants to be here.
contender-After watching the Nuggets and fans pine to play Dallas over OKC, then watching Dallas take the title we see how open the western conference is.The Nuggets are a contender…with him
money-Denver retains his Bird rights and can pay him more than anyone can…if they want
position-The Nugs will try to play Mosgod and Koufas at C and Nene will get the opportunity to play PF; will he really get that opportunity elsewhere? Most teams, Boston, Atlanta that were mentioned will be putting Nene at C due to the lack of quality at that position.
To me if Nene can get over getting butt hurt will sign here.
Is it just me or...
Is anyone else tired of players crapping on our city? Melo, Holliday, B-Marsh, JR, Kenyon and now Nene.
We only looked past everything Melo did, only to get screwed over by him
JR has been the ultimate head case, but we all love the guy
B-Marsh throws a fit because he hasn’t been “treated right”
Holliday wanted more money than 5 years 70 million dollars??
Kenyon complains that he should’ve gotten the extension Harrington got, (WHILE HE WAS HURT!)
And now Nene, after sticking with the guy through all the injuries and waiting for him to hit the potential we all see in him and its become more evident that he will never reach.
Is it just me or are you tired of our Colorado athletes screwing us over??
Thats why people love Helton, Tulo, Cargo, and Champ.
Screw Nene, sign him (if possible) and trade his ass!
I think you have to separate the player from the fans in this respect. Sports is a business and the players you mention above, at least with K-Mart, J.R. and Nene have never disrespected the people of Colorado or the fans.
It’s tough because while Nene says he felt under-appreciated it comes more I think from the Nuggets not offering him an extension at the time they offered one to Melo. They were able to offer one to Nene at the same time, but they didn’t do it. Players have to look out for themselves and it seems crazy to think that millions and millions of dollars can’t make players happy, but how many times have franchises just thrown players away? It’s a cutthroat business and fans are the collateral damage.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 30, 2011 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions
If we don't re-sign Nene,
We’re going to overpay for Chandler. I can see it. If we bring Nene back, I can see us not overpaying for Chandler, but I don’t think the FO is too keen on bringing back J.R. and K-Mart, so to lose FOUR players for nothing might be too much to handle.
Then again, our team is still pretty solid. Young, as well. Who could we use our cap to sign?
Another thing to consider is guys like Ty, Gallo, and Moz all have to be extended/re-signed after next season. We have young players, but short contracts.
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by Agaliarept on Jun 30, 2011 9:20 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Looking over the FAs
This would give us a chance to throw money at Marc Gasol. I’d say we’d be able to afford more than Memphis can with all their contracts. If not, we could go cheaper with Samuel Dalembert, but if we’re looking at PFs, Big Baby Davis and David West might be our best options.
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by Agaliarept on Jun 30, 2011 9:32 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Please no
Neither is worth top $, but I’d rather overpay for Nene than Chandler
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I’d be good overpaying that Chandler, just not Wilson
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No, no.
I meant Wilson, our other free agent.
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by Agaliarept on Jun 30, 2011 3:20 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe Nene will sign w/ Indiana
He’s been the talk here in Indy for the past month, play alongside Big Roy, Granger and the reast of the up and rising young studs of the Pacers. Sorry Nugget nation…I was sure he would resign with Denver and we’d be stuck with West as a PF. We have the cap and I am sure he is on Larry’s high list. Not sure what is said in the western conf but many tend to believe that the Pacers are really only a nice PF away from being jacked to the top 3-4 in the eastern conf.
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That’d be interesting … not sure why he’d choose Indy over Denver as both teams are somewhat similar. But definitely a team with the room to make a play for him.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 30, 2011 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Why would the Pacers need a PF?
When they have the manbeast Tyler Hansbrough?
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Indy might have the cap...
Depends on how high the cap is set at. If it’s at $45 million as the owners supposedly want, Indy will only have $8 million to work with. Obviously if it’s a $65 million flex cap or something, the pacers will have the money.
Denver will likely be able to offer more though (with the new cba likely giving more incentives for players to stay with their teams). Comes down to what Nene would rather have. Top 3-4 in the east doesn’t bring them any closer to being a championship contender then the Nuggets would be.
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Sacramento...
is a very strong possibility. They have the most cap space available in the NBA and will be looking for a guy like Nene to pair with Cousins, Tyreke, Thornton, and Jimmer. At the very least, I think all of us Kings fans will have Nene at the top of our wish list.
Also, the Maloofs will have $$$ to spend after significantly decreasing their debt with the Palms deal.
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Will the Kings actually be looking to add salary? Big question there. I do hope the Kings remain in SacTown though.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 30, 2011 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
So far that's what they've been saying publicly. They barely made the minimum salary cap level for the team last year. If they don't spend big $$$ then...
it would be very telling that they plan to move to Anaheim.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jun 30, 2011 10:33 AM MDT reply actions
One thing I'd really like to see in the new CBA
Close the “Bird rights” sign-and-trade loophole, so that the only players who stay with their team can get max $. I’m sorry, but getting max $ via the sign-and-trade is a cheat: the idea is to reward players who are loyal, not further enrich players who push their way out. So either close the loophole or chuck the Bird rule entirely, because as it currently exists, it’s nothing but a sick joke.
As for Nene, I’d like to have him back, but if he wants outrageous $, good riddance. Seems like a nice guy and I’ve enjoyed watching him play, but the bottom line is he’s an underachiever at heart and always will be. Whoever comes out the pocket to knock it w/Nene (Nuggets included) is going to regret it.
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Sad news.
But sometimes players end up overpaid. And I’d rather the Nuggets end up overpaying a known guy — and a good guy — like Nene than one of the other FAs floating around out there. Seems like Denver has the room.
Sad a deal couldn’t have gotten done. No Nene next year really puts an ice-pick in my hopes of an exciting season.
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Sign and trade Nene to The Celtics for?
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 30, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Seriously, I cannot help myself
These two would be great for youth movement
from espn.com
sources with knowledge of the talks told ESPN.com that Denver would have to make an offer worth more than $13 million annually to convince Nene to forego the opportunity to become, along with Chandler and New Orleans’ David West, one of the three most coveted free agents in the league.
considering where the Nuggets are with cap space
($32 million including cap-holds…thanks to Nate for that info) I don’t think it’s completely unreasonable to offer Nene $13 million +
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 30, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
$13 / year?
Totally reasonable for Nene. Let’s do this, Denver.
Nene has his flaws, but he’s a beast and the best piece the Nuggets have at the moment. We need him to stick around or else it is lottery time.
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If my math is correct...
and it’s very possible it’s not, this is around a 11% raise over the final year of the contract he would be opting out from. Doesn’t seem unreasonable at all to me for someone coming off a career year numbers-wise.
Haha
5/65 for Nene? That’s a huge over payment. For you sake, Stiffs, I hope your GM has the sense not to fall for this. Consider how you will feel in four years when you’re paying 34 year old Nene $14M+. Then again your GM traded Felton for 80 year old Andre Miller so who knows…
Dude
Didn’t the Blazers just offer $8.8 million for Greg Oden…who has 80 year old knees and has yet to play the equivilent of a full season in the NBA?
Talk about throwing good money after bad. I understand the infatuation in Oden, after all he “could” be huge and your organization did throw away a first round pick on him (over Durant)…but the smart money is on “epic fail”.
At least Nene is a recognized talent that brings a very good game, and has for years. the blazers would love to get him for $13million…trust me.
Good luck with that.
$8.8M is the QO for Greg Oden, Blazers just wanted to keep their right of first refusal. Oden may accept and play under the QO, but so what it’s just one year and it is not as if the Blazers have the flexibility to spend that money elsewhere. Completely different situation.
haha
i like the but so what thought process, like so what if we pay someone 9 million dollars to sit on a bench, no biggie.
thats a lot of money
It’s a lot of money but they’ve already invested significant resources in developing Oden and aiding in his recovery for multiple injuries. Since that money couldn’t really be put to any other use due to CBA restrictions, what’s one more year? It avoids the worst possible scenario: that the Blazers allow Greg Oden to play elsewhere and he thrives.
By that logic, the Nuggets should be throwing $10-12 million/1 yr extensions at JR
…they’ve invested a lot of time in his mental health (aka matuirty) and, who knows, he may actually be a star for another team. Can’t let that happen.
Denver is well under the salary cap threshold, so that $10-12M could be put to other uses. Even if they weren’t, J.R. Smith is not the same kind of talent as Greg Oden, with anywhere near the same kind of high-end potential. Additionally, there is a difference between offering a contract and submitting a qualifying offer.
Portland has no other way to use that $8.8M, their owner can afford it, and they can give their #1 pick another season to possibly deliver on his potential. I’m afraid the word ‘logic’ might not mean what you think it means…
I'm not even a big JR fan
But there are people around here that will argue that JR has more talent in his pinky finger than Greg…haven’t played a complete season since highschool…Oden has in his entire 80ish year old body. There are people that will argue that if JR could ever “figure it out”, he would be an all-star. regardless, again, good luck with Greg….if he ever stays healthy, he could be an all-star.
Well, apparently the extension was only for 3 years
If they were offering Nene less than 13 mil then it doesn’t look good for the Nuggets and Nene did absolutely the correct thing because there will be a team that offers him at least that.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 30, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Of course Nene is doing the correct thing. It’s between him and Marc Gasol as the biggest fish in the free agent sea. A new CBA may be more restrictive, but I can’t see a scenario where Nene doesn’t do better than three guaranteed years. At age 29, he’s looking for his final long term contract here (like David West).
13-15 million for Nene?
Sounds like a bad contract waiting to happen. I am starting to like my youth movement/tank the 2011-2012 season approach. Positioning for next summer’s big free agent and draft class will be key to winning a championship here. So, I would:
1) sign and trade Nene for a couple of first rounders.
2) play gallo, aaa, Ty, Moz, faired, Hamilton and Koufus big minutes. develop these guys.
3) end 2012 with a lottery pick.
4) enter summer of 2012 with cap space, a talented young core, and 2-3 first round picks!
5) Sign a stud. (Blake Griffin?)
6) go get a championship.
by ACEIII on Jun 30, 2011 11:23 AM MDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
are we seeing the 2002 Nuggets in redoux?
sigh….this may be true :(
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 30, 2011 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
At least with this lockout
The potential loss of Nene won’t sting as much for next season. I am not for tanking, but I realize with Karl at the helm, we will make the playoffs but won’t win jack shit, so given that I guess I am for tanking.
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Can we tank
For a 20 game season and get really good draft picks still?
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by JR15 on Jun 30, 2011 11:35 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
As long as we don't get stuck in perpetual rebuilding
and low salary like the Avs then so be it.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 30, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
"Great" is a bit of an overstatement
If the Lakers, Cs or Spurs had 8 years like the Nuggets last 8, they would consider it a complete failure. One playoff run, 7 first round exits.
In my opinion, we need to set the bar a little higher.
yes and i believe in the new FO!
Lots to look forward to and it all is NEW as of the Melo trade, no more shitty drafts and shitty contracts.. long gone are the days of MAX deals to the Kmarts of the world and shitty Wahed signings. AND the Skita drafts or the Marc Macon selections…………….
I am fine with blowing up this team
Nene is not a game changer. He will make you a bit better but not championship material.
I am NOT in favor of overplaying him. Not at 13-15 M fora guy who will avg maybe 16 pt and 7 reb next year. That is like MAX dollars in the next CBA.
Blow it up and start over. Develop the young kids. And hopefully get a #1 or #2 pick.
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blake griffin,
id love it, but he is the hottest young player in the league, the most exciting to watch, sells tickets like nobody cept the heat. i live in new orleans and went to 4 games last year, Heat, Nugs, Nugs, and Clips.
he'll
have his choice of teams, any team he wants virtually.
Agreed. Play for future
Get that MN first rounder for Nene
I think he is a good player but honestly
WIth our 2 7 footers I’d rather him leave now. Talk about stats all you want Nene is soft and shys away from big time and crunch time.
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I agree
Timofey Mozgov has the pedigree of a champion (Knicks) and Kosta Koufos is a legit playoff performer. Look at his playoff PER this year, it went up over 30 points compared to the regular season. Who cares about Nene when you have those guys.
This
And for all Nene’s whining about the “sacrifice” of playing C instead of PF, I don’t remember him being any less pillow soft when we had Camby at C. It’s not like there was some night & day difference when we put him at the 5 – hell, his career year last season (which is less an accomplishment and more an indictment of prior underachievement) was at the 5, so I call BS on all that noise.
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I am not buying this rebuilding talk
If that was the plan, why not take the New Jersey deal when Denver delt Carmelo?
Keep Nene and stay competitive. I think it is BS that in sports you have to blow things up every now and then to stay competitive.
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Unfortunately, it's not BS.
Look at the top teams now:
West:
- Mavericks, are the exception, I think.
- Lakers, sucked until they had cap space to acquire Gasol for nothing.
- Thunder, sucked really badly, resulting in Durant, Westbrook, Harden.
- Spurs, technically have been good for a while, but had to suck to acquire Duncan.
Even the Clippers sucked until they got BG and Gordon.
East:
- Heat, threw away all their assets to get room for Big 3 (and kinda sucked before that)
- Celtics, sucked until they had some young assets and cap room to trade for KG and Ray.
- Knicks, same as Heat, and look pretty good with Amare and Melo. Sucked a lot before that.
Look at teams like the Cavs and Timberwolves, both suck a lot, but now have potential stars and room to become contenders eventually, because they were able to get high picks and will have cap room.
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by Agaliarept on Jun 30, 2011 3:35 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
So...
What you are saying is that teams that aren’t good get better.
I think you are missing my point. I’m trying to say that a good team — the Denver Nuggets — doesn’t need to blow itself up and become a bad team to become a great team.
With or without Nene the Nuggets have some good pieces to compete. And it is BS that some of you are suggesting tanking for the sake of a lottery pick. I don’t want next year’s No. 1 pick, I want Nene.
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Technically,
A #1 pick would be amazing for whichever team gets it, because it’s a crazy strong draft. Harrison Barnes, Terrence Jones, Perry Jones, Austin Rivers, Jared Sullinger, and that’s just scratching the surface. Way better than Nene. But I get what you’re trying to say.
The problem is, the writing is on the wall in front of you. We’ve had SEVEN out of EIGHT first round exits. Statistically, that makes us only as good as a current Philadelphia or New York, even though we know we’re better. Only good enough to just make the playoffs. I mean, we’re the EXAMPLE of how mediocre teams stay mediocre. The only time we got farther than the first round we had to make a major roster move, and that only lasted a year.
Obviously, we’re a good team, but we’ve been good for years. I’m not disagreeing with you on that. But seeing our track record, its either not as easy for good teams to be great as you’re saying, or we’re doing something wrong. Which is it?
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by Agaliarept on Jun 30, 2011 8:28 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Denver's been doing something wrong
We both agree on that point. And I agree that Denver’s track record would warrant a “mediocre” label when you take into account the far too many first round exits.
But I think resigning Nene, a player who is unselfish to a fault and building a strong team that likes to run and play team ball as opposed to the ME ball we’ve been seeing could be not only exciting but a dominating team.
The Nuggets aren’t that far if they can pay Nene the money.
I will say this, though: if Nene takes his talents elsewhere, I do not want to see the Nuggets overspend for some other power forward when they could have overspent on a known commodity. If Nene walks, then I might be more open to blowing it up and rebuilding.
But I’d rather pay for Nene. I know a lot of you seem to disagree, but Nene’s the best player on the team and I think the Nuggets could build a potent offense utilizing his low-post passing to find Galinari and Affalo on the wings.
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In some respects, yes
The Melo trade was a huge shake-up, not just for the teams involved but the league.
But there is no reason to start playing for a lottery pick. None. Still a good team and potentially a great team if Nene comes back.
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OT: a primer for the upcoming lockout
it’s a little wonkish…but this tells you how the NBA has been getting a bit creative with it’s accounting
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 30, 2011 11:59 AM MDT reply actions
That article is a little off
The problem with the article, and with most general media is that they can’t disaggregate the owner from the corporate entity that encapsulate the business of running the sports team. The owner doesn’t pay the players – the corporate entity does, and has a profit and loss statement as the article points out.
The New Jersey Nets, even removing the 25 million dollar paper loss still lost money as an organization. As long as an enterprise loses money, it can’t continue to operate just because it generates a tax write off for equity holders. There’s also the assumption that the tax write off is “profit” – tax write offs are never profit – 1. you have to have made a profit somewhere off to write off that expense, and 2. it’s a reduction in tax liability, not realized income – ask the Maloofs about this one.
Second, he compares a sports franchise to a division in a corporation that loses money but produces raw materials which add value to an end product, i.e. cars. So they run the motor company at a loss to build engines for the car company. This analogy kind of works for cars because the products are closely coupled. Very few owners can take the value of a sports franchise and parlay it into more value across their portfolio like that. A tax write off is not a fundamentally value adding entity. Ask any business owner, they’d be stupid to keep running a business for a potential tax write off somewhere else.
Bottom line, people need to disaggregate the individual owners and face of the franchises from the operating entities and evaluate the solvency of the entity, not the owner.
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I forgot to mention...
That a tax write off + increasing franchise value / appreciating asset is one reason to own an entity that loses money from year-to-year. All sports franchises have to maintain an illusion of making money in order to justify the increase in value of the franchise – otherwise if one franchise loses money or goes bankrupt (Dodgers) it reduces the value of all franchises and you’re reduced to just a tax write off – something thats just not a viable business venture.
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Also, something fishy could still be going on here
There are some line items that are pretty large – but for example, the team expense, operations, and marketing expenses all could be pretty incestuous. If the owner created separate entities to manage the different parts of the business such as marketing and ticket sales, it would seem like those payments are going to an external firm, but they’re all being paid to their own marketing arm – so some of that money would be left over as profit without being shown as profit on the actual team’s balance sheet.
I think Cuban does this – he operates the Dallas Mavericks under Dallas Basketball Limited and then also owns a separate management company named Radical Mavericks Management, LLC. He could theoretically be creating ghost losses through the management company.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 30, 2011 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions
i agree except for this line
“Very few owners can take the value of a sports franchise and parlay it into more value across their portfolio like that.”
i find that untrue. maybe its more visible in football than NBA, but benson got himself a tower (or 200 mil towards a tower) to keep the saints in NOLA, Jones is definately making money off his stadium, the Krafts build a ton of very valuable property around their stadium. NBA wise im not sure if it works the same (but Kroenke does own the pepsi center, and it has many uses, conventions, WWF, etc., besides basketball). IF an owner can get a new stadium built with his plans where he wants, that has to have some intristic value cause he’ll know ahead of time where to buy property that can later be resold to vendors, restrauants, business, etc. and he’s definately going to get politcial and money favors to influence his decision.
Agree with a lot of this
But I still think the number of owners who aren’t is at least equal to those who are. For example, in football Pat Bowlen isn’t really parlaying the Broncos into anything else. Kroenke is an example of a guy who is adding a lot of value with his assets. Then you have the Maloofs who aren’t.
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I'm not familiar enough with their situation to comment
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Figured to add a few things...
First, has there been any official acknoledgement of the opt out? These days I get very cynical regarding media ‘he will do this’. Not for skeptiscim from the media but more so the agents feeding the media for leverage.
I’ll reserve judgement until I hear the propsal as well. If you talk Nene at 16 million we’ll be crippled going forward. Sounds like Denver is offering 12 and they want over 13. Then again if we offer 13 perhaps then it’s 14…
This is not the 2002 Nuggets. We’re not starting Junior Harrington and Ashley Yarbrough as one of the historically bad backcourts in history. We have descent pieces, if we lose Nene I’d almost rather lose Wilson Chandler. Stuck in that middling area of 30-45 wins is a god-forsaken thing.
This doesn’t eliminate our chances of signing him, it just makes it likely a more costly perspective. My gut tells me that Nene gets 14 mil a year. Us or someone else…I dislike this possibility but it might be true. I would be willing to verpay for 13 million, so I guess 14 million overpay isn’t horrendous. Mr. Kroeke you will not get away with playing hard ball all the time. Nene will be a hot commodity, we can offer a more attractive place then the other caps under the cap (NJ, Indy, Sac, Minnesota). But there are other realistic options. NJ could be a tempting place, but that one is more of a gamble.
This is not an at all costs moment, but we either try for going for it all or for re-building. This will decide which course we go.
F'it
Resign KMart…go get M. Gasol for less than $13 million. True PF, true C….we are good.
Sign and trade Nene to Portland
for Camby and Batum. Batum will command a much higher salary in coming years, but his current deal makes him cheap. Camby only has 1 year left before retiring to relieve cap space. Maybe they throw in some draft picks/cash. Wouldn’t mind trying for Oden too.
can't trade within your division..
c’mon man, seriously? I know you will we traded Felton, but that won’t get them over like having a Nene will
this should be amended to always trade within your division
If your organization is competent and gets the best of it. If you’re consistently getting the worst of trades, you shouldn’t trade at all!
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by The U.N. Fab Five on Jun 30, 2011 5:03 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Are we really saying lets offer a max contract to a 29 yr old decent undersized center with a history of knee problems?
Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?
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Let him walk
We have to rebuild, Nene shouldn’t be part of that plan, he likely has 4-5 good years in him. Lets go young, lets try and hit the jackpot in the lottery, its our only chance.
Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?
Anthony from bondage will deliver Gallinari
Alarmist much?
We were really, really good without Melo. It’s one thing if we were a middling franchise, but this team with Raymond Felton was a really good team, with a legitimate shot of turning conventional wisdom on its head.
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or a total flash in the pan
Only time will tell
Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?
Anthony from bondage will deliver Gallinari
If possible
I’d like to see us sign Nene. But I also don’t see it benefiting us to throw 13+ million at him now, when we have no idea what the new cba will look like. what if his best offer is $8 million? I don’t think that will be the case but you just never know.
And most people bashing Nene, were not doing so a few weeks ago. He’s just trying to get the most that he can. Most people would do the same, if they were in his spot.
Just as expected
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by Artimus Mangilord on Jun 30, 2011 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Anything more than 10 or 11 is not worth it for Nene
If he wants to be melodramatic because no one was paying attention to him then good riddance, big whiner.
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Read on espn nene wants 13 million a year.
Aren’t we scheduled to pay him close to 12 million next year on his old contract? That’s just 1million more. We really can’t get this done? That’s pathetic
true but he's been saying he wants to stay in denver the whole time
i really think it is all about money
it cld
be about years. he wants 5, nugs offering 3.
I read some where
He’s looking for around 5yr/70 to 75 million. Im pretty sure someone will give that to him. just not the nuggets and i don’t blaim them thats just way to much for nene.
Please tell he doesn’t have hot air filling that chia pet puff head of his.
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saddest part about this is he goes to LAKERS he won’t be getting the phantom fouls anymore and will be an alstar next year….
how could he go to the lakers, they're in salary hell
only way we would be sign and trade. Doubt we’d help that happen
Please not the GSWs
Warrior fans seem convinced he is going there. Apparently the management was indicating that Nene would be moving into to FA and could become theirs. How many bad contracts can one team have?
Can’t, Wariors are going with an all 2 starting five.
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by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 1, 2011 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
He just want the money. And I trust Ujiri’ll get something done.
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I'm kinda thinking the same
I LOVE Nene, but I don’t really think he’s worth a max deal, and I think he just might get one
I just ran into Ujiri at a Men's Wearhouse in Cherry Creek.
That was a pretty awesome treat for my first day on vacation in colorado. Of course I didn’t get to.ask him what we’re going to do about our PF situation.
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by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Jun 30, 2011 7:17 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Wait, Ujiri shops at Men's Warehouse:?
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At first I didn't think it was him
Because why would he shop there. He picked up 4 rental tuxedo.
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Dude's thrifty? I like it
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by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 1, 2011 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Just wondering.
How much would you all actually pay for Nene? We’re going to be going through this all over again with Ty and Gallo (hopefully). Do you think those guys are worth the $13mil that Nene wants?
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by Agaliarept on Jun 30, 2011 8:32 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
If we can get Nene to sign and trade with the Golden State Warriors
Monta Ellis and Jeremy Tyler for him seems pretty fair.
I’d be willing to throw in a Harrington to sweeten it.
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Young team
But it gives me chills to think how good they could be in a few years (especially with a good 2012 draft pick after a mediocre season)
Moz/Kouf/Tyler
Faried/Andersen/Tyler
Gallo/Hamilton/Faried/Chu Chu
Affalo/Ellis/Forbes
Lawson/Miller/Ellis
/dream
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THAT would be insanity!
Could play solid
by InboundingLobPass on Jul 2, 2011 12:48 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Is it?
Nene loves Denver/Colorado
Nene is flirting with GSW
GSW and Ellis are ready to part ways.
I’d just hate to bench AAA
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I don't think Ellis wants to play from the bench anymore
Those years of chucking up 30 shots a game as a starter on the Warriors really inflated his ego
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“I’d hate to bench AAA” – this implies that I’d prefer Ellis to start over him.
Also, if we have Lawson, Gallo, Hamilton, Ellis, AAA supplying the offense, we wouldn’t need Faried or Moz to do much but play defense and rebound. Check.
I won’t lie, I have a lot of faith that Tyler will be a franchise center in about two years or so. I have full faith he could replace someone like Moz or Kouf in about a season or less.
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AAA needs 30+ minutes a night, if you want Ellis you may as well let AAA walk… yuck.
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by Nate Timmons on Jul 3, 2011 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Also...
Mozgov + Koufos + Tyler is a weak center rotation. Mozgov has the potential to be a 12pts-10rebs center, but currently he’s slightly below average. Tyler also needs several years of development, and Koufos shouldn’t be playing any more than 10 minutes a game. Moz and Faried would combine for less than 15 points a game, and none of the bench bigs can score, either. This is why Nene is so important to our team; we need a big man who can score, both in the post and from 15-feet away
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they be scoring alright
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by InboundingLobPass on Jul 3, 2011 3:36 AM MDT up reply actions
I know you're being facetitous
but alley oops to bird, Kouf, and Faried all day longggggg.
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???
How is Al Harrington sweetening the deal? He’s a toxic contract.
We can’t trade Nene because he’s no longer a member of the team.
The Al Harrington comment was sarcasm
Even I could suss that one out.
And we can’t trade Nene, this is true. But we can sign him for a lot of money and then trade him. But this isn’t as viable an option now that he is no longer restricted. There is really no incentive for such a move.
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I have ZERO interest in Monta Ellis. He’s a good good scorer, to be sure, but he’s not the sort of player I can imagine being on the Nuggets squad that I imagine Karl and the front office imagine. And, yes, that is a lot of imagining.
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Why
He scores, doesn’t play defense, is covered in tattoos, and is a bit of a headcase.
Sounds like a Nugget to me.
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by KevinAwesome on Jul 1, 2011 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Except
Many Nuggets currently on the roster don’t fit that description.
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by KevinAwesome on Jul 1, 2011 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions
I have a new theory on nene.
This is all our plan. By doing this espn will talk about him is the top free agent available. That gives him a lot of hype and publicity. He will eventually resign with us, but know he is hyped up. This hype helps him make the all star team, and makes us marketable again. Then we can go further in the playoffs.
ESPN hyping players? Oh surely you jest
it’s not like Melo is all over their commercials since the trade…
sad sad sad
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Nate, you're disappointing me
You’re the only poster that actually makes an effort to sense and doesn’t try to sell himself as a legitimate journalist or pretend to “be someone in the know”… but really
You didn’t actually write what-ifs like (sign & trade to LAL & get Gasol or s&t with Miami and get Bosh back did you??? I got much to much respect for your writing to accept your line of thought. Other worthless posters… yes; but you, nahhhh I expect more from ya.
I can write it off as off season summer vacation mind wandering stuff
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I don’t actually buy the Gasol/Bosh stuff, just pointing out that the “contenders” all have money issues and would have to move a big salary in order to get Nene … which in reality, I don’t see the Lakers or Heat moving either player for Nene.
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by Nate Timmons on Jul 3, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
sorry one last rant
but… jessssssssusssssss!!!!! does anybody pay attention to NBA reality and the whole “those that don’t learn from history is bound to repeat it”
when in the whole dear god fact of life history of the world has ever a handshake from George Karl been a sign of sincerity honesty integrity or guarantee of word from the Diva.
Tell that tale to Stotts or to AD, or to Cleveland or to GSW or to Seattle or to Milwaukee or to the previously employeed Nuggets.
Is the Diva Karl a pretty successful coach historically? Yes. Is he an honest coach just busting with integrity… No Stinkin Way!!!
Oh, that’s right, when he became unemployed in Cleveland it was all the players fault and not his; and when he became unemployed in GSW it was all the players fault and not his; and when when he became unemployed in Seattle it was all the players fault and not his; when he became unemployed in Milwaukee it was all the players fault and not his; and when he’s never improved the Nuggets past annual one and done’ers it is all the players fault and never his.
Hmmm, that looks like a pattern forming… but it’s never the Diva’s fault… always someone else around to pin the blame on.
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