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Catch-22...

Even though they are slated to select 22nd, the Nuggets should be doing ample amounts of homework in advance of Thursday's NBA Draft. Because if recent history is any indication, the Nuggets just might be able to steal an impact player.

Star-divide

Greivis Vasquez, Omri Casspi, Rodriguez Beaubois, Taj Gibson, Courtney Lee, Serge Ibaka, Nicolas Batum, George Hill, Darrell Arthur, Jared Dudley, Wilson Chandler, Rudy Fernandez, Aaron Brooks, Arron Afflalo, Tiago Splitter, Kyle Lowry, Shannon Brown, Jordan Farmar, Jarrett Jack, Francisco Garcia, Jason Maxiell, Linas Kleiza, David Lee, Delonte West, Tony Allen, Kevin Martin, Beno Udrih, Travis Outlaw, Kendrick Perkins, Carlos Delfino, Leandro Barbosa, Josh Howard, Tayshaun Prince, Nenad Krstic, John Salmons, Samuel Dalembert, Jamaal Tinsley and Tony Parker.

Impact players (of varying degrees) all. All drafted at 22 or higher in the NBA's first round within the past 10 years. And I'm not even including some of the notable second round steals during that span (like Gilbert Arenas, Carlos Boozer, Mehmet Okur, Mo Williams and Monta Ellis that every team missed on in the first round over the years).

Considering that there were over 70 players drafted between the 22nd pick and the end of the first round (which expanded from 28 to 30 picks between 2001 and 2005) between 2001 and 2010, the list of names above means that the Nuggets have approximately a 50% chance of landing an impact player in this week's draft. 

So why all the insistence that the Nuggets trade up on Thursday?

For starters, many (okay, most) pundits are already writing off the 2011 NBA Draft as a "weak" draft. And thus, the theory goes that if there are any impact players at all a team must snag them in the top half rather than the latter half of the draft. But sometimes a "weak" draft simply means that the draft is devoid of a LeBron James, Kevin Durant or Derrick Rose who anchors the draft. Sure, Kyrie Irving and Derrick Williams might be slated a few spots down during a solid draft, but that doesn't mean that this year's late first round picks are going to be any worse than in any other years.

Take last year's draft, for example. Other than Eric Bledsoe (drafted 18th by Oklahoma City but played for the Clippers) and Vasquez (drafted 28th by Memphis) there wasn't a single player outside the top-five picks who made a substantive impact on his team last season. And even in Vasquez's case, his impact didn't come until the postseason. And yet the 2010 draft, with the likes of John Wall, Evan Turner, Derrick Favors and DeMarcus Cousins leading the way, was supposed to be a good one.

In 2007, the draft was supposed to be "top heavy" without a lot of depth. And yet Dudley, Fernandez, Chandler, Brooks, Afflalo and Splitter were all taken within the last nine picks. Those in Denver certainly know the value of Chandler and Afflalo and we sure wouldn't mind having those other guys on the roster, too.

In looking closely at the list of names above, they seem to fall into two main categories: played in big-time games at a big-time college program for a big-time college coach (Arthur, Dudley, Afflalo, Lowry, Brown, Farmar, Maxiell, Jack, David Lee, West, Howard, Brooks), or came from overseas (Vasquez, Casspi, Beaubois, Ibaka, Batum, Rodriguez, Parker, etc). The remaining few others either came from no-name programs (like Hill and Martin) or were drafted straight out of high school (like Perkins and Outlaw), which can't be done anymore.

Those who have followed my draft coverage over the years know that when it comes to drafting late in the first round (or early in the second round), I favor power forwards who played for a few years at a big-time program. Unless you have a great eye for foreign talent - something the Nuggets may just have with Masai Ujiri now in charge - your odds of late drafting success are increased by taking a shot at a 6'7"-6'9" kid who played the four-spot in the NCAA's biggest games and for the most demanding of coaches. It's this school of thought that made Boozer, Lee, Maxiell, Arthur, Glen Davis, Brandon Bass, Josh McRoberts and most recently DeJuan Blair absolute steals considering where they were drafted. Hell, the GMs who selected those guys should have been wearing bandannas on their faces on draft day (something the Spurs' R.C. Buford wears throughout June, I'm sure).

And it just so happens that the Nuggets' greatest need entering Thursday's draft is at backup power forward, regardless if Kenyon Martin stays or goes. Unless, of course, Raymond Felton gets traded in which case we would suddenly need a backup point guard, too.

I can't opine on what foreign talent is out there for the Nuggets to consider, but should the Nuggets hang on to their 22nd overall pick and should Felton remain in a Nuggets jersey come Thursday night, history suggests that the Nuggets set their sights on Texas' Jordan Hamilton, Kansas' Markieff Morris, Morehead State's Kenneth Faried or Tennessee's Tobias Harris (per the pundits it's looking like Florida State's Chris Singleton will be long gone before 22 comes around). Michigan's Darius Morris - a 6'5" point guard - is also an intriguing option at 22 should Felton be dealt, but the last time the Nuggets tried stealing a 6'5" point guard late in the draft his name was Darnell Mee.

So while it may be tempting for the Nuggets to trade up on Thursday - and part with a key player like Felton in order to do so - I'm not unconvinced that the Nuggets couldn't fill a roster hole by sticking with the 22nd pick and selecting a player the rest of the league falls asleep on.

Just once, it would be nice to see a Nuggets' GM wearing a bandanna on his face on draft night. 

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Research, homework....

Whatever you want to call it. I am banking our new FO has done theirs. Tomorrow should be the beginning of the end of head scratching drafts by the Nuggs.

by Clompy on Jun 22, 2011 7:35 AM MDT reply actions  

Daryl Morey had some interesting tweets

“Very unpredictable draft-with large variance in draft orders across the league, most teams will leave the draft happy with their pick(s)”

“Our rankings have 22 1st round quality players in the draft. Normal range is 15-19.”

Apparently there’s more depth than normal, although most teams will have drastically different draft boards.

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by chantech on Jun 22, 2011 10:04 AM MDT reply actions  

Interesting

Been hearing consistently that this is a weak draft. It sounds like Denver may not be using that 22 pick, but it is good to know there are 22 players with first round ability.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jun 22, 2011 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

this is what i feel

draft isn’t top heavy but may actually be deeper than other drafts. solid talent to be had late 1st round

by skithebert on Jun 22, 2011 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Josh Smith to Orlando?
A source also said discussions between Atlanta and Orlando with Josh Smith going to the Magic are "totally legit." Executives say the Hawks have expressed an eagerness to move Smith and would like to shed salary in the process.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jun 22, 2011 10:35 AM MDT reply actions  

Said they may have to involve a third team

Perhaps the nuggs could facilitate using the Anthony trade exemption to pick up assets.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jun 22, 2011 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

can you give an example of the assets you're referring to

I’m having a hard time thinking of any assets that the Hawks or Magic might have

by NugNugz on Jun 22, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Josh Smith, JJ Redick, Jameer Nelson, Al Horford, Brandon Bass

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by chantech on Jun 22, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

dont

think horford is a moveable asset, pretty sure by trading Smith they are commiting to Horford as the centerpiece of their team

by nsink on Jun 22, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

bass

while undersized cld be useful

by nsink on Jun 22, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

And Draft picks

both teams currently still have 2012 first round picks. They both traded their 2011 first rounders, so I’m not sure if they can trade their 2012 picks after the draft or if they have to wait for 2013.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jun 22, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

I should have clarified my question by stating

can you give an example of assets who won’t be moved between Atlanta and Orlando. That takes out Josh Smith and Al Horford and leaves from your list Redick, Nelson, and Bass. Nelson would create a logjam at PG even if Felton was traded away because Nelson would want to start. So now we’re down to Redick and Bass. Redick is overpaid though could provide a nice pop off the bench if Smith leaves. Bass is serviceable. Not exactly “assets” in my opinion. I would hope a Carmelo trade exemption could land something better than Brandon Bass and/or Redick.

by NugNugz on Jun 22, 2011 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

OT: Karl still willfully ignorant

Don’t remember seeing this in the golden nuggets last week, but apologies if this is a repost:

Mavs provide lesson for Nuggets coach George Karl
By Benjamin Hochman
The Denver Post

DRAFT PURDUE POWER FORWARD!!! THERE IS NO OTHER!!!

by Artimus Mangilord on Jun 22, 2011 11:04 AM MDT reply actions  

Is this news?

Good article, btw.

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by GoldenNugget on Jun 22, 2011 11:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

From Chad Ford's chat (just completed) on ESPN

when asked a question about moving Nene to PF he answered this way

They’ve got to get him re-signed first. It’s going slowly. Nene asking for a lot of money. Contracts will be much more friendly to Nuggets under the new CBA. Not sure the momentum is there on either side to get a deal. If Nene hits free agency, he’ll be popular.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/39015

Would this explain the Nuggets recent rumored linkage to Lamar Odom? Doubtful.

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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 22, 2011 12:08 PM MDT reply actions  

That's really, really bad news

We’re a pretty below average team without Nene.

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by chantech on Jun 22, 2011 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

At least he's talking to them

and open to coming back. After the talk of not feeling respected, I feared he had already made up his mind to go.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jun 22, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think the part of him not feeling respected

has more to do with the “slow walking” the Nuggets have been clearly doing on this contract. Almost like waiting out the string till there’s a new CBA.

That is well within their right. However, if Nene feels he can get more money elsewhere then he should by all means go.

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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 22, 2011 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling

that Nene is going to be overpaid in his next contract. It feels like he’s going to get a 20-10 all-star center contract, but keep his 16-7 above average ability guy play.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jun 22, 2011 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

It

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by GoldenNugget on Jun 22, 2011 11:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good either way

We’d all love Nene, but if he leaves, we’ll get a good pick in the 2012 lottery. Though, basketball next year would probably suck big time.

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by GoldenNugget on Jun 22, 2011 11:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

its hockey

next winter for us.

lockout is coming, players dont want to give back all that money

by nsink on Jun 23, 2011 8:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

Odom can't replace Nene.

We’d be putting all of our eggs into the “Mozgov/Koufos” basket.

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by Agaliarept on Jun 22, 2011 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Read on espn that the Kings are looking for a pg

Chad Ford mentioned the Kings #7 pick for Felton. What do you guys think?

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by EssentialCo on Jun 22, 2011 3:19 PM MDT reply actions  

It was also mentioned that SA might go after that pick for Tony Parker.

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by Agaliarept on Jun 22, 2011 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

The report

was Felton and #22 pick for the #7. If we could get #7 straight up for Felton, that would be great value because Denver would be able to add two players in the draft. Not sure if the difference in talent this year between #7 and #22 justifies giving up Felton.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jun 22, 2011 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Apparently no one in Sac wants the deal even if they get the 22

I can’t exactly blame them, honestly.

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by Agaliarept on Jun 22, 2011 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

I keep thinking....

why waste Felton’s value on this particular draft. Shouldn’t they be looking for a pick for next years draft?

Seems from 3 to 22 there’s not much difference in actual talent.

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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 22, 2011 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking the same thing

although if we could land a lottery pick AND an early 2nd rounder while keeping our own pick, I’d be all for it, but I’d much rather have an extra 1st rounder in next years draft

by JBnuggs on Jun 22, 2011 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I discussed this with a couple bloggers on Twitter last night,

while this draft lacks star power at the top, it’s got plenty of depth. Like you said, there’s not much difference in talent from 3-22, but in those 20 picks, I wouldn’t be surprised if all 20 of those guys stick in the NBA, even if they’re role players and not superstars.

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by Agaliarept on Jun 22, 2011 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

You find somebody who will give you a first round pick in a historically great draft for a one year rental of Felton, and I'll take it

Oh yea, good luck.

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by GoldenNugget on Jun 22, 2011 11:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Golden Nugget I'd like you to meet David Kahn...

…David Kahn…this is Golden Nugget….

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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 22, 2011 11:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

HAHA!

Very nice.

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by GoldenNugget on Jun 23, 2011 8:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

!!!
Add the Denver Nuggets and Philadelphia 76ers to the list of teams trying to move into the top ten.

- http://twitter.com/#/AlexKennedyNBA/status/83661301938782208

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by Agaliarept on Jun 22, 2011 4:57 PM MDT reply actions  

I thought we already knew this.

"I am te real mozgov. Stopp say I fake fans"

by KevinAwesome on Jun 22, 2011 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

I thought we knew that SAC called US about their #7

but not that we’re actively trying to move into the Top 10.

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by Agaliarept on Jun 22, 2011 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

You're probably right.

Looks like Josh and Masai might be playing smoke and mirrors again.

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by KevinAwesome on Jun 22, 2011 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

We want Jimmer

In top ten

Can we draft Jimmer and send him to knicks for CHAUNCEY? Not that I think we should n I would keep Jimmer

by rockridge on Jun 22, 2011 5:37 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I've said this before

If we move into the top 10 to get a scoring guard, I want Klay Thompson, much better fit with the talent we already have. That said, if we move into the back end of the top 10, I’d take Biyombo or Valanciunas.

by free7694 on Jun 22, 2011 6:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Love the Klay Thompson selection..

Is he actually expected to go in the top 10?

I really, really, really hate Biyombo and have no idea why people think he’s good…I think people think he’s like Serge Ibaka but Serge Ibaka can actually play offense. His offense is seriously going to be way worse than Dahntay Jones and that’s saying a lot.

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by chantech on Jun 22, 2011 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think he can be an Ibaka-type player

Ibaka’s offensive game has improved since he came into the game, as will Biyombo’s. And honestly, the Nuggets aren’t going to be a team starved for scoring any time soon, but a defensive enforcer inside is something we could definitely use.

I’ve heard Thompson in the late top 10 to the early teens, I know if the Spurs get #7 for Parker, that’s who they’ll take. I really like him, he can come in and be a cheaper J.R. Smith from day one.

by free7694 on Jun 22, 2011 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Keep JR

we need one of two talented young power forwards

Tyler
PPF

by rockridge on Jun 22, 2011 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ibaka has been good at offense since he joined the league

The Nuggets’ problem post-trade wasn’t defense – we were an elite defense at the end of the year. The Nuggets’ problem against OKC was our inability to score because when teams packed the paint and tripled Nene.

Biyombo effectively replaces Kmart with ….Kmart, only worse offensively – smart teams will play us exactly how OKC did and we’ll have the same problems.

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by chantech on Jun 22, 2011 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

What I meant to say is

What I meant to say is teams could double off KMart with impunity because of how bad he is on offense. That’s fine as long as you have 4 viable offensive threats on the floor – something that wasn’t the case with AAA out in the playoffs.

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by chantech on Jun 22, 2011 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I need to get more sleep

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by chantech on Jun 22, 2011 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Big old bags under the eyes!

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by Nate Timmons on Jun 22, 2011 6:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'll be able to sleep

As soon as I hear some other team call Jimmer’s, PPFs, and Tyler’s names.

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by Agaliarept on Jun 22, 2011 7:06 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Teams are very high on Jimmer … will be fun to see how he develops.

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by Nate Timmons on Jun 22, 2011 7:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Now you are being mean

you will go to sleep and we will trade for my boys

Just like we did Lawson

by rockridge on Jun 22, 2011 7:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Drafting biambo would be stupid

when there are so many better more proven players available

by rockridge on Jun 22, 2011 6:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Liiiiiiiiike PPF? haha, I actually agree that the Nuggets could get some great value at other spots in this draft.

I highly doubt the Felton deal with the Kings is a reality … web buzz has died down on it.

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by Nate Timmons on Jun 22, 2011 6:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Trust me whatever the nuggets go will not be leaked

Would Charlotte want Felton for the 9

Jordan is a NC boy maybe he can get a Felton Man crush going

I’d take Jimmer at 9
And PPF at 22

Have I ever said that?

by rockridge on Jun 22, 2011 6:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Charlotte hired Rick Cho

He’s not stupid enough to trade for Felton.

Also, Jordan effectively had enough of mediocrity and is hitting the reset switch on that franchise (I applaud him for doing so). Last thing he wants is an above average PG, who isn’t geting any better, to weigh him down as he’s trying to rebuild.

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by chantech on Jun 22, 2011 6:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Simmons and Ford both SLAMMED Jordan big time for being on the Marcus Morris wagon. (Not sure Charlotte takes him, but they both seemed to think it’s a mistake if they do)

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by Nate Timmons on Jun 22, 2011 7:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Nuggets will not be drafting Jimmer Fredette

I think he can be a good player, somewhere between Kyle Korver and Jason Terry, but he doesn’t fit in with our current talent at all.

by free7694 on Jun 22, 2011 6:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Actually, the team got MORE popular locally when Melo left

Jimmer doesn’t fit on the Nuggets. You can’t have him and Lawson on the floor at the same you just can’t. Any competent guard taller than 6’4" (which there are about 100 of in the NBA) will kill us on the defensive end. I’d much rather have Thompson or Burks if we take a scoring guard.

by free7694 on Jun 22, 2011 7:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Whatever just keep 22

and draft the PPF or Tyler in that order

Keep JR start him at 2

Trade Felton tonight for a 2012 first rounder

We would kill em next year

by rockridge on Jun 22, 2011 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

If we draft a PF at 22

It’ll be Tobias Harris or Markeiff Morris, and if we’re at 22 I’d be fine with those picks.

by free7694 on Jun 22, 2011 7:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Neither will PPF or Tyler

Those two are fodder for the D-League

by free7694 on Jun 22, 2011 7:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd love to see those guys

have to go off and play in Europe after a couple of D-League seasons.

Would be classic.

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by Agaliarept on Jun 22, 2011 7:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Totally understand the no-leak thing.

But when rumors start moving in different directions I think that tells us talks have cooled, but obviously they could be re-visited.

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by Nate Timmons on Jun 22, 2011 7:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

If we're not able to move into the top 10

I’d still like to see us try to jump up a few picks and get Faried.

by free7694 on Jun 22, 2011 7:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would also like to see the Nuggets perhaps grab a second-rounder, but I think they also have some guys on the radar for the undrafted free agent list…

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by Nate Timmons on Jun 22, 2011 7:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Let's draft biambo at 10 (if we could vet there) when there is

a proven first team AA on the board at 22. Draft the purdue boy

Seriously Biambo? He is Surge Ibaca. NOT

by rockridge on Jun 22, 2011 6:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Trust me! Bye will be first round

It just takes on intelige t GM

And like Nene at 7 had a post game when drafted
And Biamboner one hell of a post game. Better move up for that post game

PLEASE

by rockridge on Jun 22, 2011 7:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

That isn't even comprehensible

I can’t refute any argument you make because I have no idea what you just said.

by free7694 on Jun 22, 2011 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Again

biombo sucks. Don’t do biambo

by rockridge on Jun 22, 2011 7:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

He's better than PPF or Tyler

At least he has one solid skill: defense. Neither of the guys you like has any.

by free7694 on Jun 22, 2011 7:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

The difference between Biyombo and Valanciunas

Is really offense vs defense. I tend to be more of a defense-first guy, though I did just see some film of Valanciunas I hadn’t before, and now I’m leaning toward him. He looks like he’d be worth the wait, especially if we re-sign Nene.

by free7694 on Jun 22, 2011 6:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I just watched a bunch of Valanciunas highlights...

and I’m unimpressed. He shoots an ungodly high percentage – but all his shots are dunks and layups. When he actually has to shoot a shot that’s not a dunk (it seems like most of his dunks come because he’s way taller and more athletic than the competition – something that won’t be true in the NBA) it looks pretty ugly.

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by chantech on Jun 22, 2011 7:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

What, chantech?

The eye test? I thought you were the stat guy!

Haha. :P

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by Agaliarept on Jun 22, 2011 7:12 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

haha...

I thought Valanciunas was very similar to what Denver already has in Moz and Kouf … I’m thinking Denver might be looking more for a scorer if they are able to move up.

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by Nate Timmons on Jun 22, 2011 7:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Moz was way more athletic than I thought he was

I was pleasantly surprised by how good he was this year.

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by chantech on Jun 22, 2011 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

For me it was Koufs athleticism that surprised me.

He’s the first white stiff that I’ve ever heard being able to throw down ‘vicious dunks’. He showed it in a couple of games near the end, but he’s got hops for a guy his size.

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by Agaliarept on Jun 22, 2011 7:19 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I admit he had a good game against the Jazz at the end last year

but the Jazz were already tanking games, so it deserves a asterisk next to it.

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by CloudBurst on Jun 22, 2011 7:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

=P

Ha, touche

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by chantech on Jun 22, 2011 7:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

To me

There are a lot of Americans in the draft with whom you know what you’re getting: role players, and a lot of high-risk, high-reward foreign guys. I feel like with the sheer volume of players the Nuggets have right now, they can afford to take that risk.

by free7694 on Jun 22, 2011 7:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Vlanciunas and Thompson are both wildly overrated

Meanwhile Burks is flying under the radar and will have a better career than both. If we move up, it should be for Burks.

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by GoldenNugget on Jun 22, 2011 11:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

id go tristan thompson over biyombo

much more poilished player that also plays D, has a great motor, and ggrabs offensive rebounds like no other

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Huge 7-foot-2 wingspan
Excellent motor
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by nsink on Jun 23, 2011 8:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Simmons,

Did anyone buy the paperback of his book? Supposedly it’s the revised/updated version of the original/hardcover, but i’d rather not buy it twice…

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by Agaliarept on Jun 22, 2011 7:14 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’m wondering about that as well …

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by Nate Timmons on Jun 22, 2011 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rockridge

How disappointed are you going to be WHEN we DON’T draft any of the guys you’re obsessed with?

Just wondering. But really.

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by Agaliarept on Jun 22, 2011 7:04 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Time will prove me right

i say 1 in 100 they draft who I want

I am used to being right and watching these paid guys screw it up every year ( w a few exeptions)

by rockridge on Jun 22, 2011 7:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

there is more to basketball than flashy shooting

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by CloudBurst on Jun 22, 2011 7:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

How about this

We trade up to the Bucks for Felton, and snatch Marcus Morris?

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by CloudBurst on Jun 22, 2011 7:13 PM MDT reply actions  

Yeah, snatch him, stuff him in a sack, and throw him off a cliff.

So we can’t draft him.

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by Agaliarept on Jun 22, 2011 7:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Or trade Felton and 22 pick for O.J Mayo and G. Vasquez

then let go of J.R Smith.

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by CloudBurst on Jun 22, 2011 8:34 PM MDT reply actions  

Mocking Shocking

1. CLE-Jason Williams
2. LAL via Min (Gasol Traded)- Kyrie Irving
3. Utah- Enes Kanter
4. Cle- Brandon Knight
5. Tor- Bismack Biyombo
6. Was- Kwahi Leonard
7. Den via Sac (Felton, 22 traded)- Jonas Valaciunas
8. Det- Tristan Thompson
9. Char- Kemba Walker
10. Mil- Jan Vessley

….why not?

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by Zachm219 on Jun 23, 2011 2:29 AM MDT reply actions  

hell, I'd take Walker over Jonas.

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by CloudBurst on Jun 23, 2011 4:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

I have the same problem with Walker as I do with Jimmer

I like him as a player, but don’t think he fits on the Nuggets, because if you have him and Lawson on the floor together, it gets dicey on the defensive end.

by free7694 on Jun 23, 2011 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

Jason Williams?

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by stan_26 on Jun 23, 2011 6:25 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

lets take

tristan over jonas, our team shouldnt wait a year, we can play now (if we resign nene)

by nsink on Jun 23, 2011 8:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

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