Golden Nuggets: Qualifying offers and draft talk
by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 21, 2011 8:01 AM MDT
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PrintWinding toward the NBA Draft this year we get some CBA talk, some qualifying offers made to some fan favorite Nuggets and some more draft talk.
The Nuggets made some news today by extending qualifying offers to three players. Two who are at the end of their rookie contracts (Wilson Chandler and Arron Afflalo) and one who is coming off a one year deal (Gary Forbes). Also, in a bit of great news for the Ty Lawson fans, the Nuggets went ahead and picked up his option for next year. You can look at the qualifying offers made to both AAA and Ill Will here on Hoopshype (QO's are in Yellow) as well as what Ty will be owed next season (thanks to my buddy Nate Timmons for the information and the heads up). Good move by the Nuggets. However, this doesn't necessarily mean that the two restricted players will be back. While I anticipate that Arron Afflalo will make a good faith effort to stay with the club, in my own opinion the restricted free agent market may overpay Wilson Chandler. We shall see what the future holds.
Also, we are two days away from the draft and I've seen so many mock drafts that I no longer think in anything but team draft order and the number 22 is burned into my brain. You all know my position on the draft so we won't go over it here. I will say that I'm consistently amazed that there are so many mock drafts with every major sport (well, maybe not baseball ... at least to this extent). It's really amazing the type of hard work that people put in to these drafts. I tip my cap to you guys who know all this information because it would be extremely impressive to me if I wasn't so jaded.
Here are your Golden Nuggets. Pay particular attention to some tid bits I saw on twitter and from Wojnarowski about one Raymond Felton.
On with the Links!
Paige: Cheaper payroll could put Nuggets in good shape - Woody Paige, Denver Post
Woody Paige talks about the upcoming CBA and the Nuggets position to take advantage. However, what Woody doesn't say is ... if the projected "hard" cap were to come to fruition (as the owners want it, $45 million) the Nuggets would only come in $5 million under as currently constituted (without re-signing J.R. Smith and Kenyon Martin) So the fabled "cat-bird seat" would be not as advantageous as Paige surmises unless player salaries were rolled back big time.
Nuggets make contract offers to three players; pick up option on Lawson - Benjamin Hochman, Denver Post
Ben Hochman from the Post talks about yesterday's qualifying offers as well ask the Nuggets picking up next year's option on Ty Lawson. All good moves, but the qualifying offers merely put both Afflalo and Chandler into restricted free agency. Was a bit surprised that there was a such thing on a league minimum salary (Forbes) that there would be a qualifying offer (again, thanks to Nate for the info).
Twitter is an interesting vehicle for information. While scanning my feed I saw this curious tid-bit from Eric Pincus
i've tweeted before about Lakers/Felton - an obvious move for LA if Denver interested, possibly LO type move
The Los Angeles Lakers and Sacramento Kings are two teams with interest in prying Raymond Felton(notes) from the Denver Nuggets, league sources said. The Nuggets believe strongly in Ty Lawson(notes) as their point guard, and Felton, with a $7.5 million expiring contract, is expendable
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Allow me to add another link, if no one else has - Mark Spears on 15 "sleepers"
Moderately interesting because each profile is followed by a pithy quote “An NBA scout’s take”. Iman Shumpert, Josh Shelby, Charles Jenkins and other possible n.22 picks are considered.
How can the owners want a 45M hard cap?
Half the teams in the league would have to disband: 45m is less than half of the Magic’s current salary, and the same more or less goes for the Lakers and Mavs. The Heat’s Big 3 alone make 44.7M, leaving 300K for the rest of the squad.
The players need to come down some, but the real problem is the re-distribution of wildy varying local TV, ticket and merchandising income along with luxury tax revenues. The right combination of salary limits and revenue sharing would allow all teams to at least break even with a soft cap of 55 and lux tax from 56 to hard cap of 65M.
Even then the Mavs would all get a nice pay cut as reward from their ring.
45 million is an opening position
not where they expect to end up. Average payroll in the NBA is roughly 70 million per team. If they cut it by 10 million, then you have made up the $300 million dollar loss the NBA says they have now.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jun 21, 2011 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions
I would agree
the cap will have to be around 55 to 60 million in order for there to be “less” carnage.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 21, 2011 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Clippers trade
Blake Griffin would work under the rules.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jun 21, 2011 8:53 AM MDT reply actions
THe Kings
have the 7th pick to offer, id trade Felton for Biyomako (or whatever his name is), would love Valanuis but doubt he falls
COntracts
are they just qualifying offers?
espn made it sound like they were offered contracts?
according to the Post they are just qualifying offers
and Ty Lawson’s option was picked up. ESPN probably has it wrong.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 21, 2011 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions
Those QO's are a slap in the face.
I understand that they’re preliminary offers just to get it out there, but seriously, $3 million each. That’s an insult to both of them.
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by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Jun 21, 2011 9:27 AM MDT reply actions
$5 million is probably a little more realistic to me.
Although if no one offered more than the $3 million for either of them the Nuggets would get a couple of steals.
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by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Jun 21, 2011 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions
It's not a slap in the face
that is the collectively bargained agreed to amount with the union. The players now have a choice. They can sign the offer, play for one year and be a free agent next season. They can solicit better offers from other teams now, with the chance Denver matches. Or they can negotiate a longer term deal with the nuggets that pays them more. It is up to the players what they want to do – take less now to be unrestricted next year, or sign up for a longer term deal to get more money now.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jun 21, 2011 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Fair enough
and well explained. Thanks.
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by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Jun 21, 2011 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd say the Chandler would explore the RFA market to see who will match
there are teams out there who have cap space that “may” overpay.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 21, 2011 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
excuse me....I meant to say Chandler will explore the RFA market to see who will pay him
it would be up to the Nuggets to match. Brain isn’t working so good today.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 21, 2011 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Idk
If Chandler really doesn’t want to be here (rumored to be the case) then he’d be better off just taking the QO, playing out this season as the 6th man roll, then bouncing next year.
by GoldenNugget on Jun 21, 2011 6:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Jeff and I were discussing that possibility via the telephone last night. That would be his best option if he really wants to head back to the Knicks, but there are a couple teams that could go after him – like the Nets (not sure he’d be crazy enough to sign there).
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 21, 2011 7:08 PM MDT up reply actions
"via the telephone"?
"J.R. SMITH! WITH NO REGARD FOR COMMON SENSE!" - Future Kevin Harlan Quote
"They're two-deep at the crazy position!" - Kenny "The Jet" Smith.
Ya that thing people talk on from time to time. I know it’s not Twitter or Denver Stiffs or Facebook … hard to imagine isn’t it?!?!
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 21, 2011 7:14 PM MDT up reply actions
No, but it sounded funny. :P
Idk, read that first sentence out loud. Hah.
"J.R. SMITH! WITH NO REGARD FOR COMMON SENSE!" - Future Kevin Harlan Quote
"They're two-deep at the crazy position!" - Kenny "The Jet" Smith.
I wrote it to get that exact response!
Seems like the phone is a dying breed.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 21, 2011 8:25 PM MDT up reply actions
No it is not
There is always texting by phone
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by Army of Nugs on Jun 22, 2011 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Just talking about the actual calling aspect my friend.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 22, 2011 6:04 PM MDT up reply actions
I've thought it since Day 1
If he truly wants to bounce, he can’t afford for us to match because then we can deal him to wherever. He’d be much better off just sticking it out for one year, the choosing his own destination.
by GoldenNugget on Jun 21, 2011 7:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Do we want him to dog it for one year though?
"J.R. SMITH! WITH NO REGARD FOR COMMON SENSE!" - Future Kevin Harlan Quote
"They're two-deep at the crazy position!" - Kenny "The Jet" Smith.
I don't think he'd dog it
Chandler doesn’t seem like that type of dude. He’d just play his season out, then leave. That’s all.
by GoldenNugget on Jun 21, 2011 7:54 PM MDT up reply actions
All three of them should explore it the RFA market.
Might as well drive up their own value even if it means the Nuggets have to overpay for Afflalo (I think he’s the only one they will overpay to keep). That’s not the best thing for the Nuggets, but it would be a smart move for the players. There really isn’t any down side that I can think of for them to at least take a look.
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by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Jun 21, 2011 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions
If Felton is under contract and forced to play for us next year..
Why bother trading him now unless we get a great offer?
Lamar Odom for Felton would be awesome, btw
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They'll trade him for what they can get
either now or by the trade deadline in order to:
1) avoid losing him for nothing
2) not have him poisoning the locker room because he is unhappy off the bench.
The only thing that bothers me about Odom is you are helping the Lakers improve their biggest area of need.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jun 21, 2011 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions
But weakening their front court
Which is a major strength of theirs, but without Odom would actually potentially become a weakness, given the fragile nature of Bynum.
I like Felton… he’s a tough SOB. I wish he’d be ok splitting time w/ Ty and mentoring him.
It may weaken their front court
but would greatly improve their back court. I think they’re looking to mix it up this year and adding a quick, young, reliable, non-Derrick Fisher point guard could be a good improvment even if it means giving up Odom.
-Save the New Nuggets, re-sign everyone.
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by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Jun 21, 2011 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
I think it's fine trading him by the trade deadline
But I’d give it a chance to work before automatically trying to trade him.
1. You may have more leverage around the trade deadline
2. Losing a guy like Raymond Felton for nothing isn’t that catastrophic – it’s not like losing a LeBron James for nothing.
Agreed on improving the Lakers – PG was one of their biggest weaknesses, but some trades are mutually beneficial, and Odom would improve us way more than losing Felton while I’m not sure what it would do for the Lakers – Odom is actually a big part of that team.
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Felton is asta la bye-bye any moment
There is absolutely no use for him on this team anymore. I think he’ll be gone before the season starts.
by GoldenNugget on Jun 21, 2011 6:25 PM MDT up reply actions
HIGHLY doubt it
I can’t remember who it was, but somebody offered a player way better than Felton to a team recently for a 2012 first rounder and got rebuffed hard. I think it’s gonna be next to impossible to obtain a first rounder next year. Honestly, we’re better off just taking it.
by GoldenNugget on Jun 21, 2011 6:41 PM MDT up reply actions
what we need to do
is get Wilson Chandler signed for next year, wait until a month into the season when the clippers (whoever SF they draft) fails, and trade them Wilson Chandler for Minny’s unprotected 2012 first. they might bite, if they think they are competative next year except for the SF slot.
Odom scares me
as much as you want the versatility he brings to your team, do you really think he’s going to give maximum effort for a team not coached by phil jackson and not competing for a championship? Haven’t we had enough of these reality star/hollywood wives?
dude is too old and too complacent. he’s got his rings, what’s he got left to play for? not to mention he’s never really lived up to expectations. i would not bring him here.
That and he sweats excessively
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So did Chauncey
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by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Jun 21, 2011 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Who can they get who is better
for Felton?
Odom is on a reasonable contract, two years at about 9 million. 14 points and 9 boards while shooting over 50% He’s not a superstar, but you aren’t getting a superstar for Felton.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jun 21, 2011 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Josh Smith...???
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by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Jun 21, 2011 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
both have attitude problems
so I’d say it’s a wash. lol
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 21, 2011 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
i'd take josh smith's craziness
over odom’s laziness
by skithebert on Jun 21, 2011 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Smith is a small forward right?
would you move Gallo to 4 in that scenario?
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 21, 2011 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd play Smith at 4 and Gallo at 3
but I’m not that smart.
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by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Jun 21, 2011 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
+1 on passing on odom.
first, i just dont really like him as a player and dont think he can do that much for the nuggets.
second, i dont really like his wife as a human being and dealing with another diva housewife is more than i can handle. im still worn out from melo/lala. the nuggs need to start scouting players wives, because its proven it can be an issue.
but, if we can aquire odom for felton and flip LO to another squad, that’s fine with me.
by calvin brodus on Jun 21, 2011 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
yea
im worried that lamar likes the reality tv diva stuff as much as his wife, its only a matter of time until he is on dancing with the stars
Lamar is 31 years old – Felton is 26 years old. Unless the Lakers toss Derrick Caracter into the deal as well I say … NO GO!
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 21, 2011 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions
well
it does say he’s a “major headcase, out of shape and slacks off on D” so he would probably be a better fit on the pre-trade Nuggets
Agreed
I wouldn’t be opposed to getting Odom (come on, he’s still a damn good player, and a big man at that) but I would rather explore other options. I’d LOVE to land Josh Smith. Ugh, that would be fucking sweet.
by GoldenNugget on Jun 21, 2011 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions
It'd be doubly sweet if JR re-signed
Could you imagine those two on the same team? Whew.
by GoldenNugget on Jun 21, 2011 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Negative Nancy!
What about all the incredible dunks, high-flying blocks and most importantly, camera shots of George Karl with his face in his hands! Priceless!
by GoldenNugget on Jun 21, 2011 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions
So did JR, Kmart, Balkman, Melo
GK loves guys with attitude problems (j/k) and so do the fans.
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by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Jun 21, 2011 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Smith is younger
but also costs $3 million per year more.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jun 21, 2011 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
We're not on Josh Smith's wish list.
and we all know what players put on their wish lists players get.
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by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Jun 21, 2011 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
None that I know of
but why would he bother making a wish list if he didn’t think he could get on one of those teams?
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by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Jun 21, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
well all these other guys have had actual leverage to dictate a destination
whether it’s signing an extension or what. i don’t see what leverage josh smith has other than being a malcontent
Felton and Harrington for Nelson and Smith
Does that work? I don’t know, but it would be good for us.
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by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Jun 21, 2011 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Dummy, not Nelson, Teague.
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by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Jun 21, 2011 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
There's no way ATL would give up that much
Hell, they probably wouldn’t do Felton for Smith
http://www.bluefirepoker.com/blog.aspx?blogid=68
twitter.com/chantech
Josh Smith is actually a good NBA player
plays really good defense too
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That's why we need to trade for him.
To replace KMart’s defense. Right…???
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by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Jun 21, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
They shouldn't do Felton for Smith
They don’t need a PG.
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by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Jun 21, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, they'd be stupid to do Felton for Smith
Especially with the improvement Teague has shown in the playoffs.
Teague = Felton with way more upside
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twitter.com/chantech
felton/harrington
for joshsmith/marvin williams
basically a way for them to dump marvin williams. we’d be taking on another bad contract maybe we can convince them to take harrington. Smith is a baller and I’d be excited if he replaced Kmart.
agree
not a chance. they like teague and will want more for smith the best defensive player outside of dwight howard
i could
see them being interested in Wilson chandler to play the 4. but first we’d have to get him on a contract to be able to trade him
Perhaps not
indications are this is a salary dump. You might be able to get him for a camby trade.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jun 21, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
odom for felton (and his expiring contract)
would be a steal.
by Rainbow skyline on Jun 21, 2011 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions
how about Shannon Brown from the Lakers?
For Felton, especially if JR Smith is gone, and ask for Derrick Caracter and/or Devin Ebanks to help replace Kmart, plus anyone else to make the numbers work.
by jd80229 on Jun 21, 2011 12:15 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
I wouldn't touch Shannon Brown
Step 1: identify a dumb team and get offers
Step 2: call David Kahn
Step 3: profit
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Eric Pincus chat
http://www.hoopsworld.com/chat.asp?status=&CHAT_TOPICS_ID=1697
He goes over the Odom/Felton thing a couple times
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LOLOLOLOL
@ Some Clippers fan thinking they can get Gallinari for Aminu and Kaman.
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by KevinAwesome on Jun 21, 2011 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions
From Ken Berger
KBerg_CBS Ken Berger
Stern says cap “target” is $62 million per team, with a max above that to allow for exceptions such as the Bird exception."
sooooooo….isn’t that the same thing we have now?
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Perhaps
there is a hard cap above that? So a soft and hard, instead of a soft with a luxury tax?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jun 21, 2011 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions
It says the NBA want's the NHL model
but in the NHL you can’t exceed the cap.
The worst thing in the world is if there is a “cap floor”. That is where the Colorado Avalanche are at now….
We shall see, but from what it seems, the hard/soft cap is very similar to what we have now.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 21, 2011 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions
The union’s Hunter said that there was movement on the overall split of revenue between the sides — the Basketball Related Income (BRI). Deputy Commissioner said they were moving closer to a 50/50 split (currently the players get 57 percent).
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jun 21, 2011 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions
that's what I'm hearing too
however, the players were the first to propose a closer 50/50 split, so the owners are moving towards the players on this one.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 21, 2011 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Details of the new NFL CBA negotiations
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jun 21, 2011 2:54 PM MDT reply actions
NFL Expected
to double revenue by 2016 to $18 billion. That’s roughly 10 times what the NBA makes in a season.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jun 21, 2011 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Here is the Mock Draft I participated in for "Slam Dunk Central.com"
22. Denver Nuggets, GM Nate Timmons (Denver Stiffs, Denver Nuggets SB Nation) – Markieff Morris, PF, Kansas
The Nuggets "War Room" was all smiles and high fives spread like a Dirk Nowitzki cold as the Morris twin somehow fell to the Nuggets here. General manager Masai Ujiri finds a quick replacement for Kenyon Martin as the defensive minded, but offensively capable Morris provides the Nuggets with a very nice asset for the suddenly big, athletic, and young Denver front-court.
The Nuggets needed help at the shooting guard and small forward positions as the futures of J.R. Smith and Wilson Chandler are also in doubt, but a talent like Markieff Morris cannot be passed up and he fills another need at the power forward position.
Pretty much wishful thinking … you can read it all here: http://www.slamdunkcentral.com/2011/06/21/slam-dunk-centrals-2011-nba-mock-draft-picks-19-24/
Jeff, we know how much you enjoy Mock Drafts!!!!!!!
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barf
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 21, 2011 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Markieff Morris eh?
hmmmmm….
Mock drafts….gahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 21, 2011 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions
hey
I least we’re gonna draft SOMEONE, that in itself is kind of exciting considering it’s been forever since we’ve even been in the draft
Umm
two years is forever?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jun 21, 2011 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Nice to see you, Connor, and Dave reppin' SBNation in that Mock!
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 21, 2011 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions
I talk to Connor once in a while on Twitter.
Did you know the 3 writers of Rufus On Fire did a podcast together a few days ago? Just them, going over the draft, their needs, rumors, etc. Have the 3 of you ever considered putting together a podcast? Maybe have DS readers call in too?
"J.R. SMITH! WITH NO REGARD FOR COMMON SENSE!" - Future Kevin Harlan Quote
"They're two-deep at the crazy position!" - Kenny "The Jet" Smith.
It has been something we’ve been discussing for sure. I’m a pretty big Podcast head myself – listen to a variety of them actually. Pretty fun.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 21, 2011 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions
There is NO WAY Markieff falls to No. 22, but if he somehow did … wowza!
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 21, 2011 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions
I’ve watched quite a bit of Markieff’s highlights – he’s a little stiff, no pun intended, athletically but he is effective for sure and has good above the rim ability.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 21, 2011 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Denver actually might be able to trade up to his territory...
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 21, 2011 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions
the word is that both of them / along with Marshon Brooks are "overvalued"
So for whatever that’s worth.
by InboundingLobPass on Jun 21, 2011 7:43 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
It's definitely possible
There’s a lot of guys who’s names are heating up lately, and Markeiff isn’t one of them. He’s kind of sliding.
by GoldenNugget on Jun 21, 2011 6:32 PM MDT up reply actions
With Denver likely to lose JR, Chandler and Kmart plus need to do something with Felton (altho I think GK loves RayRay), the best move (and balanced) for Felton is to trade with Kings and ask for Casspi (takes Chandler’s place) or J Thompson (w/ Mozgov gives Denver great C rotation and helps keep Nene at PF – replacing K Mart) and their 2nd rd pick. Even tho both Mozgov and Thompson are slower centers, the half court O and defense would be better with the trees in there.
Then draft Selby at #22.
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by Orange and Blue on Jun 21, 2011 3:16 PM MDT reply actions
he’s an athletic combo guard that can penetrate. He’d be an instant spark plug coming off the bench (initially). He’d be a very solid player to develop. At #22 we aren’t getting many impact players right away anyway and with JR likely gone, he’d be able to play a little this year (granted not much). His ceiling is much higher than most available at #22. Oh yeah, and he’s tough.
not sure I see what’s not to like about him.
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by Orange and Blue on Jun 21, 2011 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions
haha, not sure why but this post made me laugh.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 21, 2011 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind trying out Casspi
But he better not be the only thing we get in return for Felton. I’d prefer Odom, honestly.
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Like it
I think Thompson would help us out a lot.
by GoldenNugget on Jun 21, 2011 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Sacremento has been rumored to be talking about trading the 7th overall pick
The deal is for Felton and the 22nd pick, I think the Nuggets should also demand Thompson in return.
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Shame on you, Jeff.
I totally posted those exact last two links in the A history of Nuggets late first round draft picks… thread. I forgive you though. :P
Here’s a fun Nugget for you all: Udonis Haslem inspires a rap hook
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Agaliarept is due credit for these links!
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 21, 2011 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Haha, appreciated.
:P
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Wow, just stumbled upon a great "Nugget" for today.
Just posted a couple of minutes ago: some great insight on potential pick Reggie Jackson.
You’ll have to forgive me, it’s from OKC’s SBNation blog, but it’s an interview from someone who covers Boston College.
Reggie Jackson is who I’d like to see us go after, so if any of you agree with me, it’s a good read.
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And to those in the "trade down and grab an extra pick" camp:
AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
The Spurs are expected to move #29. Plenty of teams are interested in acquiring it on draft night, but only if their guy is available.
- http://twitter.com/#!/AlexKennedyNBA/status/83276234338996224
AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
The Chicago Bulls are trying to package their two first-round picks – #28 and #30 – to move up. They’re talking to a few teams in the teens.
- http://twitter.com/#!/AlexKennedyNBA/status/83275214431064064
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I don’t understand why they put it there, the link works fine even if you remove it.
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I’ve never heard the Prince version
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by GoldenNugget on Jun 21, 2011 6:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Can I beat a dead horse?
We need to trade Al Harrington. We have a young team and a good nucleus and need to maintain as much financial flexibility to resign those young pieces and attract free agents in the future when we are better able to determine what our needs are. We need to take a 2-3 year approach here, even if it means being a little worse in the long-haul. Additionally, with the new CBA coming up, and without really knowing what that would look like, the less useless contracts we have on our books, the better.
Harrington’s Salary:
2012: 6.2M
2013: 6.6M
2014: 7.1M
2015: 7.6M
We could upgrade this position with any number of younger options and have more money to spend elsewhere. Even if we end up paying someone else money, I’d rather have it go to a more needed position, or to a younger player or one of our own FA’s, than to a 30+ year old PF who plays 10 minutes a game.
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by George Karl Marx on Jun 21, 2011 4:13 PM MDT reply actions
but
the last 2 aren’t guaranteed right? I thought we can buy out the last 2 years for 4 mil or something which isn’t really that bad
Last two are 50% guaranteed
And we don’t need to be giving up assets in order to move Harrington. If an opportunity arises in which they need to move Harrington in order to clear cap space, they can do that then. Until then, no need to go through gymnastics to move him. He’s quality depth who is slightly overpaid. No big deal.
And we do have a pretty good idea what the new CBA is going to look like, based on the leaks of the last few days.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jun 21, 2011 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I didn't realize the buy-out provision.
I’ll take my TRADE ALL HARRINGTON stance down a notch. That buy-out clause is very comforting. Not sure how it will apply against the cap if they end up doing it though.
Signatures are for wimps.
by George Karl Marx on Jun 21, 2011 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Last year
The knicks dumped salary and gave away picks to clear space for Lebron James. James didn’t come, and the lack of picks nearly prevented them from acquiring Anthony.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jun 21, 2011 4:40 PM MDT up reply actions
slightly overpaid
is spot on…. people forget that guys like Gilbert Arenas and Rashard Lewis make 17mil+
No kidding.
Imo, Al is just slightly overpaid and has slightly too much minutes. Reduce those minutes a bit and I think he’ll get back to being an asset to this team and not a detriment.
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yea
If he can get in a little better shape he can be pretty effective off the bench for 10-15min a game, plus he seems to be a good locker room guy which is important for young teams like ours
I really think the plantar fasciitis hurt Harrington last season. My Pops has been struggling through it over the last 6 months or so as well – he says it feels like someone is hammering a nail into his heal 24/7. I asked him if he could imagine playing basketball on it and he said some days he didn’t even want to get out of bed – and like most dads – my Pops is basically Superman!
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 21, 2011 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions
yea I had a buddy who dealt with it for a LONG time
said it was one of the most painful things ever. I think for Al it’s been a catch 22 with his injury and trying to stay conditioned
+100
No need to move Al. He’ll bounce back this year without all the Melo Drama and more of a defined roll (no pun intended).
by GoldenNugget on Jun 21, 2011 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm against it
If we lose both Chandler and JR we will need a shooter off the bench
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THIS DRAFT WILL BE REMEMBERED AS NUGS BEST!!!
Three J’s
1) JIMMER (Trade Felton to Sacramento and get #7)
2) JAJUAN (Trade down with Chicago and get 28 and 30 for the last two)
3) JEREMY
by rockridge on Jun 21, 2011 5:18 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I love your rock steady belief that this will happen. It’s an interesting scenario to say the least. Do you think the Jimmer/Lawson backcourt would be any sort of issue? Or do you foresee Jimmer playing backup PG and never being on the floor with Lawson?
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 21, 2011 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Jimmer and Lawson can't be much worse than Felton and Lawson
Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?
Anthony from bondage will deliver Gallinari
/sigh...
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You know, while I don't think we'll draft any of those 3 guys,
I’ll be sure to keep an eye on them in the future, so when we see you around here again we can come back to this.
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by 1ArmedEconomist on Jun 21, 2011 6:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Hm, I don't know here...
Do I believe the ESPNChicago writer, or rockridge? Hmm…
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by 1ArmedEconomist on Jun 21, 2011 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Ugh, I just saw the all caps and knew what was coming.
DRAFT PURDUE PF!!!!
by GoldenNugget on Jun 21, 2011 6:38 PM MDT up reply actions
I think Jimmer is Danny Ainge w a better shot
For a few years he is ok as a sixth man
How many times was Ainge victimized by M.J.?
He was on that Blazers team that the Bulls took out in the Finals and with that Suns team that M.J. bulldozed over as well. Ainge is probably not a big Jordan fan.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 21, 2011 5:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Ainge can probably rest easy
knowing his Celtics would destroy M.J.’s Bobcats any day of the week.
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Top 15, and that's if he's lucky.
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Pffff
I would bet on my life savings that he goes top 15. Of course, there’s not much there…
by GoldenNugget on Jun 21, 2011 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Idk, I could see him dropping.
I agree, he’ll likely go around the 12-14 spots, but I could conceivably see him go 17 to the Knicks depending on who goes where.
But I don’t see him going Top 10, and definitely not Top 6.
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The reports are
There’s no way he gets past Indy at 15, and with the recent draft history Larry Bird’s had, I totally believe it. I too don’t think he’ll go top 10, but after that he’s gonna be a hot commodity up until 15.
by GoldenNugget on Jun 21, 2011 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions
He's white so there is no way he gets past the Indy pick
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by The U.N. Fab Five on Jun 21, 2011 10:38 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Top six?
To who?
Cleveland’s not taking him,
Minnesota certainly isn’t taking him
Utah? Not when they think they can get him at 12 and not when Knight and Walker are still on the board
Toronto? If Toronto drafts a player who is undersized and a liability on defense I think their last three fans will start watching New Zealand Net Ball instead
Washington? This is the only one you could even make an iota of an argument for, but the only way that happens is if Kanter, Vessley and Leonard are all gone
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Possibly Top Six
Picked by whoever gets up above the seven pick that we get from SAC
Doubt it
not with the likes of I can easily name six players likely to be drafted ahead of Jimmer-Irving, Williams, Knight, Kanter, Leonard, Biyombo, Valucunias and Walker…that was 8 right there
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Don't Forget
Jimmer will sell ALOT of tickets for a very long time!
so does Tebow
doesn’t mean he can make it as a professional. I don’t actually have anything against Jimmer, it’s his brother I can’t stand
Unbelievable.
Would the Kings be willing to send the No. 7 pick to the Nuggets for Raymond Felton and the No. 22 pick? The Kings have had interest in Felton but it’s probably going to take them giving up the No. 7 pick to get him. I wouldn’t be shocked to see the Nuggets grab Jonas Valanciunas or Bismack Biyombo if they could get up to No. 7.
Felton rumors heating up, apparently.
Luckily, we probably won’t be getting Jimmer with the 7th pick if we do get it, but I’m not sure we should be going after another young player than get a proven vet for Felton instead. Draft’s not strong enough imo.
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Hey, we could DRAFT PURDUE PF at 7!
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You kidding me?!
Burks, Thompson, Biyombo, maybe even Walker or Leonard could all be available. The addition of any of those guys could propel us into conference finals contention again if they pan out the way people think.
by GoldenNugget on Jun 21, 2011 7:52 PM MDT up reply actions
eh what do i know
but i’m not too thrilled with any of them. the only guys i’ve seen play a lot are Burks and Thompson since I went to CU and now am at UT. As much as I liked watching them in college they both have serious faults. Burks really needs to develop his outside shot and Thompson can’t hit a shot that isn’t 2 feet from the basket. He’s undersized, lacks a refined post game, and is an awful, awful FT shooter. Both could certainly turn out well, but it’s likely not going to be for a few years.
Biyombo smells like a bust to me, Walker probably won’t be there at 7 but he might be a good choice for us. Still seems like the classic shoot-first PG with limited defensive skills.
I would be much more excited if we put together a Felton package that landed Josh Smith. I think there’s reasonable talent to be had throughout the first round and if you’re not trading up into the top 3, I’d rather they just stay where they are. Maybe jump up a few spots if they must to grab somebody they’ve targeted.
If the talk is true
And Sac is looking to take on a veteran PG (I’ve read that there’s also been discussions for #7 to SA for Parker) then I would seriously, seriously consider some sort of Felton for #7 trade.
There’s a few reasons why I think the Nuggets make for a more attractive team than SA to trade with. First, Felton’s age and injury history vs. Parker’s, both of which favor Felton. Second, is the contract status. Parker is just now starting a 4 year/$50M extension, pricey. Felton only has a year left on his contract and any extension he’d get would be far south of what Parker is making, I’d guess 4/$30M with the new CBA would be about right. Third, Felton is a much better shooter than Parker, something the Kings need to space the floor with Evans. Fourth, the Nuggets are in a much better position to absorb some salary back in a trade. SA is already locked into $57M next year, even before Parker’s extension. The Nuggets are only at about ~$24M without Nene and Felton but with QA’s to Afflalo and Wilson. Sacramento doesn’t need to send anyone out to absorb a large salary, they’re far under the salary cap, but if they’re able to shed a little money I’m sure they’d be happy to.
I would do any of the following: Felton straight up for#7. Felton for #7 and Casspi if Sac wants to dump that salary. Felton and Harrington for #7 and Udrih. Udrih has a pretty substantial salary but moving Harrington offsets a good chunk of it and Udrih would be a great backup PG, allowing us to go big with both our picks.
At this point I’d rather not go after Josh Smith simply due to his salary. With a new CBA coming, I’m extremely hesitant of moving our best movable asset for a guy making big money on a contract that’s prior to the new CBA. While I like him as a player and think he can offer us something, I don’t think he’s a great fit for us due to Gallo. I think Gallo and Smith are best suited to play small ball 4 and time at 3. I don’t consider either a true PF on the defensive side which poses a problem with having both guys on the floor (which is what you’d expect as being two of our better players) at the same time.
If we have #7 and #22, we suddenly have A LOT of options. We can either wait and see if one of the bigs slides to #7: Kanter is said to be dropping a bit, Valanciunas is sliding due to buyout issue (I have no problem taking him at #7 and waiting a year for him), or Vesely could be a great guy to pair with Gallo at the 4 spot using his athleticism and hustle on the defensive end. Leonard could be Josh Smith 2.0 without the contract and a higher offensive ceiling, or we could go really safe and take Singleton who I believe is a near lock to be to a shutdown perimeter defender. Burks and Klay Thompson could fill our hole at 2 with different skillsets (I’d take Klay over Burks). Or if we really want to roll the dice, we can go with a very high upside guy like Tristan Thompson or Biyombo. This would then allow us to take the best available at #22 (stash in Europe if necessary, like Motiejunas or Mirotic) or a backup PG (depending if we take Udrih back). Or… we could try and package the picks for a higher pick, Minnesota at #2 might bite for #7, #22 and Mozgov. We could then trade #2 to Cleveland who really wants Derrick Williams for #4, #32 and JJ Hickson which would allow us to replace Mozgov for Kanter (a slam dunk in my opinion) while adding another decent pick and another 4. Or we might be able to move #7 and #22 straightup for #4 if the talk about Cleveland wanting Valanciunas and gaining a little value out of it. Regardless, moving Felton, someone I think we’ve all agreed is simply a tradable asset at this point with no long-term future in Denver, for the #7 would open up a TON of options for us and allow us to position ourselves however we wanted to for the future.
Nice Analysis
Could be the draft that we do six trades just to get an extra player this year and a 2012 first rounder
I agree, this could be the year for us to be very active.
Everyone says this draft is weak and I understand their point. However, this just underscores the point that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I guarantee that at the in the #4-9 range, there’s at least 1 player that every team loves due to the variety of players and skillsets. There’s some very intriguing big men (mostly Euro) with different games and there’s some guys with elite skills but questionable secondary skills (Leonard, Singleton, Walker, Burks, Thompson, even Jimmer). I think if we’re able to liquidate the assets we want (Felton for sure, maybe Mozgov) and see if anyone gets desperate, we might be able to cash in this year and next year. We’re in a great position due to those assets and our salary cap situation to make a big splash to set ourselves up nicely this year, and next.
Agreed
And I really think the goal is to get one ot two players they like and stockpile picks in 2012.
2012 Draft will be one for the ages
If the 2012 draft is really our priority
I’d have absolutely zero problem with that. I agree, it will be a very strong draft, not sure if it’s gonna be a 2003 draft, too early to say if there’s that many legit superstar prospects, but I’d take the chance.
If that’s really our strategy, I’d move heaven and earth to get that unprotected #1 of Minnesota’s via LAC. And we make a great partner for them. They need a PG so Felton would be a perfect option for them. We could take some salary back to sweeten the deal, say Ryan Gomes. So I would say Felton for Gomes, #37 this year and Minnesota’s unprotected 1st in 2012. It’s a huge roll of the dice but I don’t see Minnesota’s pick being worse than #7 or 8 and in a stacked draft, that thing could be worth a goldmine.
You must remember
Felton only has one year left on his contract, therefore, he could potentially walk after serving only on year in Sac Town. Parker on the other hand, just got a contract extension which guarantees he’ll be there for a while. It’s hard to imagine Sac Town giving up the No. 7 overall pick without a guarantee that Felton would be there for more than one year, plus I doubt they’d do it without the 22 pick as well.
And you’d take Klay over Burks? Come on now!
by GoldenNugget on Jun 21, 2011 10:59 PM MDT up reply actions
I actually think Felton's contract situation is a good thing for SAC
As they would own his bird rights (not they likely need it due to their salary cap situation) and no matter what, his next contract will be far less than Parker’s. If SAC is willing to move #7 for Parker, I think they’d have to consider Felton as well.
And yes, I’d take Klay over Burks for our team. Burks is a slasher, Klay is a shooter. I have a lot of faith in Ty’s penetration skills so I believe Klay’s skillset fits with our team better. However, I wouldn’t take either as I believe Afflalo is superior to both of them.
Burks is gonna be a beast
Totally underrated, and you heard it here first.
I think Bird Rights can only be obtained after three years of service with one team though, but again, they have to POS-I-TIVE that they can re-sign Felton or else they’re putting themselves in a very precarious situation.
by GoldenNugget on Jun 21, 2011 11:09 PM MDT up reply actions
When a player is traded, those Bird Rights years are traded as well.
At least, I believe so.
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Yes, Bird Rights go to the new team
So there’s absolutely some value there. How much is up for debate considering SAC’s current salary number who knows how aggressive they want to be with free agents.
One thing that I think should be considered as well is the Maloof’s current financial situation. To put it simply, it’s not good. I absolutely believe that money could be a big factor in any move. If we’re willing to take back some salary (like Udrih or Casspi as I stated above) they’ve be more amenable to moving the #7. Also, they may be shortsighted and not want the #22 due to the guaranteed contract so we may well be able to just purchase the pick for #3M. There’s a lot of variables here where I think it’s very feasible for us to walk away with #7 and #22 by moving Felton to the Kings.
I think Udrih would be a very good backup PG
his contract his kind of ugly, but I suppose he’d be making about what Felton makes anyway.
His contract sucks
But if they take Harrington off our hands, I consider it a wash since we’re paying Lawson such a pittance.
Unfoooooortunately...you are both right
Yes bird rights do carry over with trades and yes you must have them for three years. Felton signed a two year contract and thus no team will have his bird rights
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I like Burks
But I think he has Corey Magette written all over him. Not a bad player by any means but his shooting, defense and intangibles are all fairly iffy at the moment. He certainly has the penetration skills and athleticism to be a very good SG, and shooting is certainly the easiest of all the core skills to improve, but maybe it’s due to my analytical nature, I always bet on the forecasted mean of a player rather than the far right tail. It’s just about playing the odds. If you get lucky and the guy turns out awesome, fantastic. But you can’t expect it.
So wait...he barrels into the lane and flops his way to the line?
freaking hate Corey Maggette
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giving up the #22 pick is what turns me off of the felton rumor
felton for #7 i could live with. I think that #22 pick is actually a good spot given the relative depth of the 1st round. Doesn’t look to be any game changers, but there’s a fairly high likelihood we land a solid to good rotation player there.
Agreed
Felton and No.22 for No.7 is ridiculous.
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by KevinAwesome on Jun 21, 2011 11:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed
I’d be very hesitant to move #22 along with Felton for #7. I wouldn’t veto it outright but I’d want some assets in return. Either Felton, #22 and Harrington and $3M for #7, Jason Thompson, Casspi and Whitseside or Felton, Harrington and #22 for for #7, Thompson Casspi and Udrih. In other words, I’d be willing to shell out the #22 and a tiny bit more for Thompson in addition to the previously stated Felton for #7 trades.
I like the idea of Felton, 22 and Harrington for 7 and Thompson
never going to happen though
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So looks like I'm not the only one thinking Cavs might move down...
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/30544/cavaliers-and-wizards-swapping-draft-picks
If Washington is willing to do #6 and #18 for #4, that means we’d probably have to do #7, #22 and Mozgov for #4 straight up. So would I move Felton, #22 and Mozgov for Kanter and Casspi or Felton, Harrington, #22 for Kanter, Casspi and Udrih… probably.
I know that seems a lot to give up
But I’m with the mindset that we gave up Carmelo, our franchise player, to get a lot of these assets from NY. If we can’t turn them into a franchise player, we’ve lost the trade, by a wide margin. We traded a dollar for a bunch of quarters and dimes, we need to find a way to package that change into paper money again. I would rather us at least try to get that dollar back, despite the risks associated with a Euro big man who hasn’t played competitive ball in over a year, at the hardest position to fill, then to watch these quarters and dimes piss away over the years as we struggle to sign them to extensions or they lose value because they don’t live up to their potential (Gallo, Moz, WC being the main possibilities).
Roll the dice, take our chances. I can live with that.
No guarantee that Kanter is still there at 4
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@ TChizza - whoa
My brain had already melted by the time you got us the #2, then my soul evaporated when you said we would trade away the chance to have Williams on the team. But I do like your logic getting Kanter, he’s gonna be solid for years.
by InboundingLobPass on Jun 22, 2011 2:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Very interesting...
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 21, 2011 7:13 PM MDT up reply actions
outside of the top two picks
I’m honestly not sure what the Nuggets could get. Would moving up to 7 be worth it?
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 21, 2011 7:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Could be risky.
Lot of high risk/high reward guys up there. Biyombo seems like the prime example this year.
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YES!
People have to realize that Felton’s value will decrease as the season goes on because he’s only got one year left on his contract. Plus, Burks is gonna be a stud and how sweet would it be to land a CO kid again?
by GoldenNugget on Jun 21, 2011 7:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Reggie Jackson is from Colorado Springs. :P
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While I disagree with you on Burks
Combo guards who shoot poorly from outside are not my forte. I do agree with the idea that we must move Felton, before the season starts, and this will likely be our only opportunity given the impending lockout. I think Leonard, or Biyombo, certainly Valucunias or Kanter if they fall would all be an upgrade
Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?
Anthony from bondage will deliver Gallinari
If
We are giving up Ray and 22, they need to give up 7 and 36.
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by KevinAwesome on Jun 21, 2011 8:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed
And Jeremy Tyler at 35*.
That would make me one happy camper. NO PPF!!!
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by KevinAwesome on Jun 21, 2011 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions
+1000
That would equal future dominance out West for us.
by GoldenNugget on Jun 21, 2011 11:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure he's who the Spurs are targetting...
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Well, I hope all the mock drafts are right, and you're wrong. :P
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by KevinAwesome on Jun 21, 2011 9:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Wow.
Spurs shopping Tony Parker in return for a lottery pick?
I know it’s a long shot, but what if we were to trade Felton for Sacramento’s #7, then flip the pick to SA for Parker? I know TP doesn’t exactly fit here, but he’s a more attractive trade piece than Felton imo, and can be used to bring in, for example, Josh Smith?
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True.
But you never know.
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by love4nuggets on Jun 21, 2011 10:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Article from Ken Berger on the lockout
(Berger is very good on CBA matters)
http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/30170072
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by Jeffrey Morton on Jun 21, 2011 7:40 PM MDT up reply actions
How about Felton/Harrington for Character and Blake?
Helps with salary cap, gives us an explosive young player in Character, and a true back-up for Ty. I know Karl really liked Blake when he was here.
with rumors of lamar oden
i would hope felton would warrant more than that. especially since the lakers are desperate for a PG
by skithebert on Jun 21, 2011 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are the Grizzlies looking to move Mayo?
I’d be fine doing a Felton for Mayo trade.
Also, if we can do a Felton for DeAndre Jordan trade that would be a coup.
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so who are the spurs targeting in the lottery?
doesn’t this rumor of tony parker for a high draft pick conflict with the spurs draft style?
I think the Spurs see the writing on the wall
Their title window is closing and they’re now trying to retool as quickly as possible without a complete rebuild. Parker has the most value of any of their core: Duncan is locked in till death and Ginobili is tough with his injury history. SA also has some big salaries locked in with Duncan, Ginobili, and Richardson. The #7 pick could quickly add some much needed youth to their team that would at worst, slightly hurt their immediate future but set themselves up for the long-term, especially if they don’t have to take much salary back.
My guess would be Alec Burks
He’s definitely a Spurs type player…and he’s the only one except maybe Valanciunas who fits their mold.
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I'm actually guessing Walker
He obviously goes against the grain of SA history but I think they’re in desperate need of a playmaker who can take pressure off Duncan and Ginobili. Walker has the pedigree any team would love with his drive and competitiveness and he has as high a ceiling as anyone in this draft. Perfect world? He turns into an Allen Iverson type player. The only other player that needs the ball in his hands on that team is Ginobili and he’s able to play off the ball so beautifully that i think Walker would be a great fit.
I think thats a good guess
Because they’re talking to Toronto and Sac Town, which are the two teams most interested in Walker in the top seven at this point. Plus, if you get rid of Paker, you kind of need a PG unless you think Hill is that guy.
I’m really interested in seeing how this one plays out. The Spurs don’t do stuff like this that often, almost seems as if they’re a bit desperate.
by GoldenNugget on Jun 21, 2011 11:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Hill was great when Parker missed time
In fact, I don’t think they missed a beat…
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It also doesn't seem very like SA
To give up a guy who’s in the top 3rd of the league in terms of point guards to draft a rookie, unproven point guard who may or may not make it in the league.
Pop knows he can find guards later in the draft and the only reason why he’d trade Parker + try to move up is because there’s 1. a rare guy with size who would never fall past the lottery (Valaciunas), or 2. an exceptional talent whom they feel is undervalued – and the only guy who fits that mold is Burks – who was very efficient last season despite being CU’s only option – and even more efficient as a freshman with reduced usage.
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Oh, did I mention..
He gets to the line often and hits a high percentage of his FTs and he rebounds at a very high rate for a shooting guard – way above average.
Also, if you look at the Spurs’ roster, they prefer shooting guards who are around 6-6 and long. Manu and Jefferson are getting up there in age.
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I'd be really surprised if they went Walker
Pop would roll over in his grave before drafting an Iverson type player. I question Walker’s playmaking skills too – he was unable to generate any offense, unless wide open, against Butler’s smarter defense. He not only chucks up a lot of shots – he doesn’t make very many of them.
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How long will Karl Cry when Felton is Gone?
I think management sees the unhealthy “man crush” that Karl has on Ray, Ray. Like all good parents, you get rid of the trouble maker. Coulda won the OKC series playing JR over RR.
Sorry slipped back in time there.
Draft Jimmer at 7
And then find a way to PPF, Tyler and PPG
Don’t buy into this draft foreign player BS
"draft foreign player BS"
I’d counter by saying don’t buy into this “PPF, Tyler and PPG” BS.
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I understand
Every time they are over enthusiastic for foreign players usually not good
BUY USA in 2011
Bwahahah
Dude, who the f* are you?
by Artimus Mangilord on Jun 21, 2011 11:50 PM MDT up reply actions
A guy who thinks five years from now
We will be glad we drafted USA
Jimmer
PPF
Tyler
You keep all the big white foreign stiffs. Since already have two of them in the Melodramatic trade
You have GOT to be kidding me.
I don’t know how much more of this I can take, my god.
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Nope
I will make aUS Team and you make a non US team and lets see who wins
Never mind, guess they already do that in Olympics.
yea
and USA finally won in 08 after being ousted multiple times in a row by guess who?….. yep, a non US team
I wonder how we do when we send our best players
US rules basketball
You take Dirk
I will take Kobe
That US team in '08
Almost lost to a team that was just guys from Spain, if you give me the whole world, I’m sure I could put a team together that beats the US handily
It's completely dependent on rules
Play FIBA rules, World probably eats USA alive. Play NBA rules, USA eats World alive. Even though it’s basketball, it’s not apples to apples.
Would you trade Felton
For the lakers four second round picks?
No
2nd round picks are very tough to hit on. If we even hit on 1 solid NBA player out of the 4, you’d have to be pretty happy given the draft’s history and I’d want much better odds than that for Felton. The Lakers 2nd rounders aren’t even that great, they’re basically lottery tickets at that point… but instead of a $1M prize, you’re looking at a $50,000 max prize. Not worth it in my opinion.
Probably agree.
I just realized how many second they have. Therevis always a great player that is still there in second round
I think "great" is taking things a bit far
Nobody in the 2010 draft has shown much yet, Landry Fields is probably the best player so far. Dajuan Blair from 2009. Chalmers or Jordan from 2008. Marc Gasol from 2007. Paul Millsap in 2006. And etc. There’s usually 1, maybe 2 players in the 2nd rounder each year that pans out to be even above-average, much less great. Those are loooong odds. I’d also add that the first Lakers pick is #41. Of the above group, only Gasol and Millsap were picked after #41.
I doubt Sac would move their 2012 1st in addition to #7
And the Lakers pick is probably going to be in the late 20’s which really depresses its value. I mean if the Lakers would be willing to move their top 2 2nd rounders, 2012 1st and Steve Blake for Felton I’d at least consider it but it would definitely not be my first choice. I’d want a better chance at a higher impact player.
Not sure what else we have to offer at the moment to pry another a 2012 first from Sac
Unless we’re open to moving Gallo or Lawson (which would make no sense for Sac or us if they’re already taking Felton). All our other players can’t be traded at the moment. The only other option would be us willing to take several of their bad contracts: Udrih and Garcia mainly and that seems like a bad idea.
I would, definitely
But I think there are better options out there. Still, what if we landed Goudelock, Norris Cole, Tyler and Greg Smith with those picks? That’d be one hell of a second round.
by GoldenNugget on Jun 21, 2011 11:06 PM MDT up reply actions
It's just so hard to forecast
The first Lakers pick is #41. There’s at least a decent chance that Tyler and Cole are both gone by then which are the two of that foursome I’d really want. If I’m gonna be making multiple picks, I want guys with very high ceilings, even if the chance of them cashing in on that upside is <10%.
Maybe Nene to LA for Gasol and Pick
If we could trade him
o.O
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Wait, just wondering.
Have any of you guys actually gone to Sactown Royalty (the Kings SBNation blog)? While half of us here think we’d be losing the trade if we sent the 22 with Felton, the Kings fans mostly don’t want the deal, even WITH the 22. Some of them even think Udrih is better than Felton.
Although they raise some good points, mainly that Felton means nothing for them long-term, considering he’s an expiring contract.
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I was first, now I get to be 241st
I have the feeling something fun will happen Thursday, and as the 240 previous comments show, anything is possible.
However, in the name of consistency and sang- froid in the face of much speculation, I stick to the following guns:
1) beg borrow or steal a pick early in round 2
2) Bring home Charles Jenkins and Jeremy Tyler
I might be alone on this
but if/when Felton is gone, I would like to snatch Greivis Vasquez somehow to backup Lawson.
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It should be noted
the backup pg free agent class this year isn’t exactly stocked.
Obviously it would be amazing to land JJ Barea, but Im pretty sure he’ll be back in Dallas.
So we’re left with the likes of Carlos Arroyo, Rodney Stuckey, Acie Law, TJ Ford, Earl Boykins and Sebastian Telfiar
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Anthony from bondage will deliver Gallinari
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