Golden Nuggets: A team no one wants to face
As the Denver Nuggets keep winning, the more they build a reputation as a team you don't want to face in the playoffs. That's a good thing
So the Nuggets are starting to build a reputation as a "dangerous" team. Interesting, considering most of the established media wrote the Nuggets off after the trade it's a small bit of vindication. Considering the quality of players they received, you'd think that the media ... who watched this players every day in New York would have higher regard for what they gave up. To their credit, even Knicks fans understood the value of what they gave up. Why didn't their media?
That point aside, it's intriguing that the media dismissed the role our existing players had in making the Nuggets what they were the last couple of seasons. Specifically such talent as Arron Afflalo who was coming into his own until he suffered that hamstring strain. Nene who was having the best year of his career. The defensive stalwart (when healthy) Kenyon Martin. Ty Lawson who was given a chance to come into his own, and the ever explosive J.R. Smith who can take a game over by himself when his head is on straight. Why was that remaining talent dismissed by the so-called experts?
My objections to the New Jersey trade were that it was a complete rebuild trade, and it would be doing a disservice to the remaining talent on this team. I've never been convinced of Derrick Favors value, and Devin Harris is a serviceable point guard. Nothing spectacular. Some of the Nets picks that they would give up are lottery protected and ... well, as a long-time Nuggets fan, gambling on the draft has often proven to be a fruitless experience.
I must admit to going back and forth on the value of the Knicks players we were getting, and I think every Stiff must be honest and say that these players have been a great surprise. I have a new crush (Danilo Gallinari). A new fan favorite who never sees time (Timofey Mozgov). A solid small forward / two-guard (Wilson Chandler) and a starter who's playing back up (Raymond Felton). Not bad at all.
I'm enjoying watching this team, and we shall see if they stay together. I suggest that everyone just enjoy watching this team now, and now think too long and hard about the future. Lets enjoy that we are the team that no one wants to face. Lets enjoy that we are the "dangerous" team out there.
I know I am.
On with the links!
Nuggets Related
Greene: Dreaded First-Round Opponents Await - Lang Greene, Hoops World
Thanks to NastyNessy71 for the heads up on this one. Hoopsworld goes through the most dangerous first-round opponents for the playoffs ... and take a guess at who's number one?
Nuggets have pair at point to draw to - Benjamin Hochman, Denver Post
(the next three articles are a heads up from Zachm219) Benjamin Hochman talks about the embarrassment of riches the Nuggets have at point guard right now
Hochman: Vision sharpens 3-D experience - Benjamin Hochman, Denver Post
Ben Hochman discusses the 3-D TV watching. Also throws in some tid-bits about the Oklahoma City Thunder and George Karl's praise of Manu Ginobili before he missed two end-of-game shots.
NUGGETS: Support from home fans critical down the stretch - Aaron Lopez, NBA.com
A-Lo drops some Nuggets propaganda on us. However it is a critical point to say that the Nuggets need the fans up an energized. Nothing like the Pepsi Center when it gets rockin'!
Carmelo Anthony Is The Most Overrated Player in the NBA - Dennis Bakay, Philly2Philly.com
In what I can only assume is a drunken post from an amateur writer, this hack filled column is so full of inaccuracies about the Nuggets that I only post it here for it's comedy quotient. Enter at your own risk.
In honor of our new Nuggets, and to get you hyped ... here's some Celebration Day.
Led Zeppelin - Celebration Day Live (via cherifuji)
Have a great day everyone!
Jeff Morton
Email: mortonagency@juno.com
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Absolutely
his teams lose in the playoffs with the best of them.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions
SA swirling down the drain without Duncan
Maybe being 5th seed and hoping SA can’t get their mojo back is the best thing. OKC is sure playing tough lately though.
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
No...
We want to play OKC or Dallas over San Antonio or LA…
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Dallas please
Although it was hard to root for OKC last night against Portland. I’m not sure I can do too much more of that.
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by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Mar 28, 2011 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions
We won't get either OKC or Dallas in the second round without OKC
under any realistic scenario. The way it looks now is we have the choice of playing either SA or Lakers in 2nd round barring a first round upset, and OKC or Dallas in the first depending on whether we finish #5 or #6 seed.
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
The most likely scenario
Is we face SAS in the 2nd round
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Will not argue with you
I know you have numbers backing you up
NBA Champons for 2010-11 season=Denver Thuggets
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by Army of Nugs on Mar 28, 2011 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Pffft! Numbers
Unicorns can kick numbers collective asses
by Joelsopinion on Mar 28, 2011 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
But how many unicorns?
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At least as many as zombies.
Zombie, Zombie, Zombie. In your head.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Depends on the ratio
say, 16 unicorns can theoretically kick the collective asses of the numbers if crunched, but the percentage of win probability falters with any less number of unicorns.
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by Army of Nugs on Mar 28, 2011 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
You're totally underestimating unicorns
In hordes, unicorns are unstoppable. Also quantifying unicorns with conventional numbers is unwise at best. I once saw a trio of uni’s divide zero by Pi…amazing.
by Joelsopinion on Mar 28, 2011 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Then explain why I can order this
meat online
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whoaa...sorry for the huge image...
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poor unicorns
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
This looks a lot like brown spam
(By spam, I mean the food, not the junk mail.)
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
Clearly you have
overlooked the sparkles that are not added later. The sparkles are part of the meat
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You can't explain that!
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Unicorns go into the factory
Unicorn meat comes out of the factory
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Screw that
I eat raw unicorns. Grilled unicorn horn is surprisingly delicious
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
… but NOTHING beats raw unicorn leg meat.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
So unicorn tartar? BTW, I hate unicorns.
No really. Hate them. So good on ya, mate….
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WTF
Did unicorns do to you except make dreams, rainbows and sunshine better?
by Joelsopinion on Mar 28, 2011 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
A unicorn killed my father.
It must prepare to die.
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did it have six fingers?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
We know that SD's Unicorn Oysters
are your favorite.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Wait wait wait
Um….I…
wut?
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Like Rocky Mountain Oysters
only with Unicorns.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions
That's what I was afraid you meant.
I do not have either of those types of oysters.
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Love this quote.
“It’s all about making things work — we’re two starting point guards, both of us can’t start at the same time. But when I come off the bench, I make the best of it, when he’s out there, he makes the best of it — and when we’re out there together, we definitely make the best of it.” — Felton
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by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Mar 28, 2011 8:29 AM MDT reply actions
Is there any safe team in the west?
Except maybe the Hornets (without West), all of the teams in the west are very tough.
Memphis, NOH, POR
OKC is as close to safe as it gets, followed by Dallas
Teams that will be a huge fight: SAS and LAL
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What exactly do you mean by safe?
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by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Mar 28, 2011 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Safe for us to play and potentially beat, I get it now.
-Now with a signature.
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by NotWorriedAboutNuggets on Mar 28, 2011 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions
When I say "safe"
I mean we have a 75% or greater chance of winning a series against those teams.
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How did you do on the Wizards game?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions
chantech lost i think
bc he went wizards at +16. close one.
i won, i went over gallo’s 16.5. barely won that one.
let's go nuggets! who u wit?
Lost
We were on the Wizards side – 16 points is a lot to cover.
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J.R. cost you
If he had a couple more through the legs backward passes, they could have won by fewer points!
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Ha, I'm actually happy when the Nugs win and win big
Even if I have sizable positions against them. I’m not that concerned with any individual bet – we do this for the long run. We probably lose 200-300 bets per year – we also bet on almost every single game.
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how do u vary the amount u bet per game?
based on the probability of covering?
let's go nuggets! who u wit?
We know we win against the spread 55% of the time
If you google SBR kelly calculator, we put in the price we get, the # of games per day, our BR size, and we reduce our edge slightly to 53.5% to be conservative.
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how do you ever bet against the nugs these days?
what are they, 28-1 against the spread since the trade?
by Rainbow skyline on Mar 28, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
That's what we said about the Jazz without Okur
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
I thought the Jazz were slight favorites last year
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Count me in
Among those who are pleasantly surprised about the new guys.
I knew Gallo simply as a lanky European only good for hitting the spot up 3. No idea he was a solid on-the-ball defender, despite his slow feet.
And that’s it. Chandler and Fellton and Mozgov were unknown to me.
I just remembered, I had a dream about Chandler last night where he hit a shot from four-point range. What a silly thing to dream about.
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Bummer
I’ve already read all of these articles. If we had more prima donna superstars, we’d get more coverage. I suppose if that means we stay underrated and keep the chip on our shoulder, I’ll take it. Actually, if it just means not having the prima donna superstars, I’ll take it! :)
"As much as I hate the NBA, I can't help but love Nenasty and the New Look Nuggets." - JRH
"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
The snow gods are truly evil
There was powder on Saturday and I greatly enjoyed it. This morning there is at least a foot, and it’s still coming down. And the pass is closed, so there is no one on the mountain. And I have to work. AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Best day of the year, and I’m stuck working.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 9:26 AM MDT reply actions
heres another link
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=5-on-5-110328
i really hope we beat OKC in the first round!
let's go nuggets! who u wit?
The Bulls are favored over the Lakers
Simply because they have an easier time of making it to the finals – we have them advancing past iND 96.8% of the time and then beating ORL 65% of the time then slight favorites against Miami, who is by far the 2nd best team in that conference and an argument can be made that they’re the top team.
The Lakers are a better team than the Bulls right now – but not by much. LA has a much tougher time getting to the finals.
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I respect your stats
but I don’t see how Miami could ever be considered the best team, even if it is the eastern conference. Remind me again of their record against +500 teams? They won’t be seeing Washington or Cleveland once the playoffs start. There record is 10 to 15 games higher than it would be if they were in the western conference.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Just because they didn't win...
Doesn’t mean they aren’t the better team. The record against +.500 teams says something, but they’ve had giant leads against CHI and ORL. They’re outplaying these teams for the majority of games and then coming up short.
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And that will continue in the playoffs
just like the knicks. They are losing for the same reason the nuggets are winning: depth. Miami and NY have none, so their players get tired and they lose. The losing will continue in the playoffs. Miami will only win in the first round because the eastern conference is terrible.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions
depth kinda gets thrown out in the playoffs
makes me a little scared. bc we tend to run teams out of the building in the late 1st early 2nd quarters due to our 2nd unit being top notch. very similar to the 08-09 season.
there are no b2bs or 4in5. guys like lebron and wade will play 43+ minutes per game.
let's go nuggets! who u wit?
by 808inDenver on Mar 28, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Teams shorten their rotations
Against our team, it’s going to be very hard to play a shortened rotation at a faster pace. We dictate pace.
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Running in the playoffs
doesn’t tend to work well, but this team also executes in the half court. If they were purely a running team, then they get killed in the playoffs.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions
Running in the playoffs generally doesn't work because most running teams have horrible defense.
Right? Or is that totally off the mark?
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My thought
is that running doesn’t work because anyone can get back on defense. It is the easiest thing in the world to do, the team just has to commit to it. During the regular season, games don’t mean much, so most teams don’t worry about it. Post season, every team game plans, and they force running teams into the half court. Most running teams run because they can’t execute half court. See the nuggets pre-billups.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Basically our team is built perfectly to destroy short rotations
You have to be solid across the lineup to beat us. Which means the Bulls, the Magic, and the Spurs.
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I have often wondered about this...
and tend to believe the reason that depth gets thrown out in the playoffs is solely because Coaches shorten their benches. They only play the players they know they can trust in the big situations. I would argue that Karl trusts his bench more at this point than at any time in his coaching tenure, and will most likely continue to rely on this team’s strength come playoff time: namely, it’s depth.
Usually shortening your rotation is good
Because every other team is doing it and no team is 10 deep. However, if you face a team that’s 10 deep, you have huge problems, especially if they push the pace.
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I'd tend to agree under most circumstances
But LeBron has carried Cleveland teams and played almost 48 minutes in the playoffs. He single handedly took his team to the finals.
They’ll up their minutes for the playoffs, they’ll also play a faster pace. Also, LeBron is starting to be the screener with Wade – and this combination has been deadly. It’s like they finally figured out how to play together. Look at what the team has done with Bosh playing the 5.
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Miami
will be one of the last teams standing. They may not win it, but they’re not going out in the first round. My prediction they’ll be in the ECF
Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?
Agreed - it'll be between them, CHicago and Orlando
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And Boston
and only because the east is terrible. I can’t see Miami beating Chicago, Orlando, or Boston. Any team with a defensive big who can single on Bosh, then you double Wade and James, and it’s game over.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Boston has been bad since the Perk trade
We never know what they have planned for the playoffs, but they don’t seem to be a threat.
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Just read an article about Boston
saying that they do this same thing every year, then turn it on in the playoffs. Boston is like S.A. at this point – I’ll think they are a top team until proven otherwise.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, they definitely do that
But they’ve also been way worse, in a we’re trying but not able to make it happen kind of way.
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I'll believe it when I see it
Remember, A.C. would be an upgrade for this team. They are playing 3 on 5 on both ends of the floor. You can get away with that in the regular season. The good teams have been holding some things in reserve for the playoffs that Miami hasn’t seen before.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
And I hope people keep voicing the same opinion as Broussard
Just because it hasn’t been done often in the past doesn’t mean it won’t be done going forward. At this point, this team is 80% against OKC, and our results have really little variance – we blow out the teams we’re supposed to and win or play close games against the really good teams.
While Broussard is voicing opinions like that and swaying the public, I’m busy accumulating a position. I wish we could make all these “experts” or ESPN writers compete on an exchange where they have to back their opinions with cash. You’d find out who the true experts are pretty quickly.
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Also about Broussard
It’s pretty easy to blindly repeat something like “in the last 30 years only 1 team has won without a superstar” without understanding or thinking about why it is. Simply put, it’s lazy analysis.
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I like this idea.
Also, I hope fools like broutard keep writing horseshit like this and the Nuggets keep reading it. Fuel the fire, I say!
"All you fuckers who think we won't be good anymore, fuck you" - GK
by love4nuggets on Mar 28, 2011 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions
To me...
The “you need a star to win” argument is lazy reporting. It allows Broussard and his contemporaries to focus on 7 or 8 teams (perhaps 7 before the Knicks flopped) and ignore the rest. It is irritating but the reality of NBA reporting.
What these writers seem to fail to realize,
or perhaps have forgotten, is how a player becomes a superstar…by winning. If the Nuggets were to make a deep run in the playoffs, someone on the team would be a superstar pretty quickly. The Stern media/marketing machinery works this way. Win big in this years playoffs and next year national games will be billed “Danilo Galinari and the young Nuggets.” Stern won’t allow a winning team to not have a “face of the franchise.”
True
MElo was not a “superstar” until the Nugs made their run a couple of years ago and Barkley proclaimed him the best scorer in the league. I remember thinking that was a very bold call by Barkely…but it stuck and the Nugs had their star, for better or worse. Before that playoff run MElo was a boarder line all-star in the west.
FYI – I have a typ above…I meant 9 teams before the Knicks flopped.
maybe because he pIayed big in the pIayoffs and peopIe saw what he can do, and that those 1st round exits werent aII on him Iike the fans of this team has been sayin.
but now they are doin a compIete 180, because he wanted to go somewhere eIse. he pIayed Iike a super star that season so…
Melo was a star coming out of college
Based on what he did at Syracuse. To be fair, he is a good player and can elevate a 20 win team to a 40 win team. He’s just not an elite player – and people thinking he’s an elite player does him a great disservice.
If the Knicks expected to get a very good player, who you can build a team around, they got him. If they expected LeBron or Wade, they’re way off.
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truth so pure
"There's no way I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team' ... I was trying to beat those guys." -Michael Jordan
by ParkHillNative on Mar 28, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
What's even more ridiculous
Is how you consider Derrick Rose an MVP candidate when I’d take Ty Lawson over him in a heartbeat.
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Sorry to break it to you, but there's no way Lawson is as good as Rose
Derrick Rose is a larger, more efficient, better-passing Allen Iverson right now, except Rose is a better defender than Iverson ever was.
Lawson, on the other hand, looks like a younger Jameer Nelson (2007-08 season and 2008-09 season pre-shoulder-injury), which isn’t a bad thing, but neither are franchise players.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
Your description of Rose is pretty accurate.
Lawson, is not, however a Jameer Nelson.
I don’t think either are franchise players – although Rose is closer to a guy you’d build a franchise around. Lawson is at least equal of a defender as Rose, and he gets more steals. Anything that creates more possessions for your team is good – charges taken, steals, etc. He’s also much, much more efficient on offense. You’re going to say well he shoots less – well that’s a lot of the value of Lawson, he only takes good shots.
At the end of the day I think it breaks down like this: Rose is the type of player who turns a bottom feeder into a 35 win team. He does this because he can use a high number of possessions more efficiently than the average NBA player. However, he will never be extremely efficient because he’s not that type of player – he’s a guy who takes shots within an offense rather than a player who can create a reasonable shot consistently. Lawson is a guy who might add a few wins on a 15-20 win team, but won’t transform them. However, on a good team, or a contender, he’d be by far the better choice because he only takes layups and open 3’s / jumpsuits.
I’d prefer Lawson because I don’t want my PG to be a high usage guy because it’s hard for PGs to be really efficient, and their 2nd elite skill – passing, can be matched by other positions. This is why I think Rondo is so valuable – he rebounds so well for a guard. Lawson gets steals and deflections (deflections aren’t tracked) but it’s hugely valuable. The only guy who’s really efficient at PG with high usage is CP3 (for the record, I’d make him a franchise player). I think it’s hard to win with a franchise point guard because he can’t add a 3rd elite skill (the first 2 being scoring and defense). The first skill, scoring, is hard to do efficiently, and a big man can score efficiently + rebound + block. Nene is more valuable to me than Rose cause he gets boards, passes, defends and scores efficiently.
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The middle paragraph was kind of unclear
What I meant to say is that while Rose uses a lot of possessions more efficiently than the average NBA player, his offense is still inefficient – a lot of it is shot selection + being the primary option. Lawson takes shots within an offense, but can’t consistently create against tight defense – and so has elite efficiency, when used correctly.
I’d rather fill a team with guys who have elite efficiency than a bunch of guys who have average efficiency and a super star who maintains good efficiency with high usage.
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awesome thing about that middle paragraph though
this excellent typo:
he only takes layups and open 3’s / jumpsuits
"There's no way I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team' ... I was trying to beat those guys." -Michael Jordan
by ParkHillNative on Mar 28, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Only got 5 hours of sleep last night so I'm kind of an idiot
THat and I always try to write things out too quickly
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No no, he's right.
No need to apologize for a guy taking jumpsuits. Ty is probably the only guy in the league fast, cunning and efficient enough to take open 3’s and jumpsuits at the same time. It actually proves your point as to his value.
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by love4nuggets on Mar 28, 2011 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions
If you can score in a jumpsuit
then…all I can say is…
How you doin’
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But from where would he obtain his jumpsuits?
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Am I the only one who wanted those tearaway pants as a kid?
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I have tear away ski pants
does that count?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions
I have tearaway
oh…..never mind
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I agree with what you say about usage rate (and how stats like those (TS%, rebound %, assist rate) are more important than your bread-and-butter ppg, rpg, and apg
And I agree with what you say about Rondo, except his absolutely horrible shooting ability allows defenders to sag off of him when he is on the perimeter and it allows the opposing team to put more focus on shooters like Pierce and Allen.
CP3 is a franchise player, but he’s not an ideal franchise player because of his injuries, and many of Paul’s injuries result from his playing style: he is an aggressive slasher and throws his body around a lot. Dwyane Wade is in the same boat. All of this makes me a bit worried about Lawson and his potential for injury.
Nene would be the perfect PF on a title-contending team if you put a guy like Tyson Chandler next to him in the frontcourt. Nene is an underrated defender, as he is constantly forced to guard players much larger than him (Nene is listed at 6’11" and 260 lbs, but I think he’s closer to 6’9" and 250)
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Is this homerism or numbers driven
Again the down side to stats is the intangibles. Derek Rose is good…MVP good. Although if you want to find the true value of a player, remove him from a team and see if they’re even close to the same caliber. Dwight Howard would get my vote. Without D-12 the magic are about as magical as my lcuky charms breakfast was.
by Joelsopinion on Mar 28, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions
It's completely objective + what I've seen all season
If anyone should be the MVP it’s James. Howard should be in the picture, as should Dirk (have you seen how bad the Mavs are without him)? Do you think he’s MVP good because your eyes tell you he is or because the media says he is? He’s like the current version of Kobe – a pretty good player, but no longer an MVP.
You can’t just remove a player from a team and decide how much he meant because you have no idea about how bad his replacement is, how the team was built around him, etc.
While Rose is much improved, I’d take several players over Rose – CP3, Deron Williams, Rondo, Parker, and Lawson. In fact, I’m going out on a limb here and saying Kyrie Irving is going to be better than Rose and I’d take him too. People tend to judge a player by his point totals + the kinds of plays he’s capable of making when closely guarded – and to be fair, Rose probably shoots that kind of volume because he is better than the other options on that team. The Bulls are middle of the pack in offense.
Lawson is as good of a defender as Rose, gets more steals (more possessions = good), is way better with his shot selection, and way more efficient on offense. I’d rather have a guy who shoots layups and wide open jumpshots slanted towards 3’s than a guy who might be a better creator but takes way more inefficient shots.
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I've always thought MVP went to the best player on the best team
OR the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER ie: player that means more to their team then any other player means to their respective team.
Either way I think Rose has it in the bag, and I would say he deserves it… one of my favorite player in the league
Yeah, if it's that you probably have an argument
I treat it as who’s the best player on the NBA – also, the team has to be good
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Portland lost yesterday
So the nuggets are ahead 2 games in the loss column, with 9 left.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 9:32 AM MDT reply actions
another good quote
I find it amusing after the fact that Karl is criticizing Anthony’s defense when he coached him in Denver for several years and allowed him to do whatever the hell he wanted!
Melo was uncoachable
apparently. Especially this last season.
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
At least
he got to the Finals w/ the glove
that Bucks team was good too, seems like the MElo lead nuggs just underachived
Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?
Nah....Karl traditionally has problems with players who's ego is as large as his
thus why he butts heads with every star in every stop he’s been at. What happened with him and Ray Allen is borderline tragic.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Mar 28, 2011 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah because those seattIe teams were so fuII of win, and didnt have any 1st round exits, and that bucks reaIIy didnt bIow any 20 point Ieads in the 4th in a cIinchin game.
and reIationships with the coach and the Ieaders on those teams didnt go down and impIode and Iead to anomosity between the 2 sides. and great that he didnt use payton to guard jordan tiII they were down 2 games.
KarI is exceIIent in what hes doin now, but I feeI Iike at some point his ego is goin to get in the way if this team does try to take the next step, peopIe assume that the pIayers on this team are goin to be happy in their roIes next season, but Im not so confident that this isnt more from the noveIty.
The depth we have won't last the offseason...
This season seems to me to have the potential to be a perfect storm for a championship run (32 win foundation before depth injection that other teams haven’t figured out how to beat yet).
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
agree
with: “KarI is exceIIent in what hes doin now, but I feeI Iike at some point his ego is goin to get in the way if this team does try to take the next step, peopIe assume that the pIayers on this team are goin to be happy in their roIes next season, but Im not so confident that this isnt more from the noveIty.”
He let himself be coached in the Olympics because he was so
humiliated by Larry Brown 2 years before. That was a image rehab effort on his part.
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
Nothing. I think that's why we got so close 2 seasons ago
and we were on our way again last season before things fell apart. The extra motivation for Melo was lost though after Melo fouled the Utah guy (after the Utah guy stepped out of bounds) at the end of game #2 last playoffs and this season was bad before the all-star break..
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
/smh
Is it at all possible that Melo actually LEARNED something and grew up a bit during the Olympics? Maybe he did feel humiliated and was determined to not repeat that mistake.
But yeah, I’m sure it’s all about his image
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How you liking VCU now?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't care?
Seriously, I guess I’ll root for Butler. They have a cute bulldog who’s being kept down by the man. It ain’t right
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How can you root for Butler?
VCU is da bomb! At least one team from my all virginia final four made it!
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions
How can you not root for Butler? They have a bulldog.
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You can have the bulldog and it's drool.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Are you implying that we should all root for Georgia when we have the chance
J.R. Smith... WE JUST SAW MAN FLY! RIDE EM COWBOY!
What do you do
if Georgetown, Georgia, and Butler are in a round robin?
-1 for mascot plaigerism.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
No....
I don’t care about any of the teams that remain. So I’m going by mascots now.
Huskies>Bulldog>Rams>Wildcats
But my plan goes awry because I’m inclined towards the underdog.
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Which leaves me with Butler Bulldogs
plus Kemba Walker is a flopping poop brain
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I’ve got family that went to VCU.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions
that's what
you get w/ “superstar” MElo. He either gets his way, or takes his ball and goes home
Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?
it’s intriguing that the media dismissed the role our existing players had in making the Nuggets what they were the last couple of seasons.
^this^
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by manbearpig5000000 on Mar 28, 2011 9:45 AM MDT reply actions
Hmm, it seems like some people have forgotten that the Thunder are 9-1 in their last 10 games and 11-2 in March
Which is the second best mark in the league after the Lakers. Of course, I’m still rooting for Mark Cuban’s team to go on a long losing streak and for them to fall to 4th.
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How has OKC
done in their last 5-10 games in Denver?
Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?
I haven't forgotten. I'd rather play Dallas
We’re going to have to send a message against OKC in the first of those 2 games and then play the end of the bench in the second to not give them more film material (assuming we have the #5 spot locked up by then).
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
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funny thing is I wouIid rather have meIo if we pIayed OKC just because of how weII he pIayed against them, simiIar to if we pIay against OR with turkogIu.
see that game where turkogIu torched us at home with meIo, then when we pIayed them at ORL with meIo,he didnt do anythin and they won big.
I agree with this....
say what you want about Melo. There are some teams and some games that he was just dead eye and hell bent on beating. Other teams, not so much.
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I'd rather have our current team against both those teams...
My biggest worry right now is our coaching
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Playoffs may provide the saving grace in that regard
Karl more likely to check his ego at the door and not allow the giant runs. A guy can hope, right?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah..Karl is a decent coach
He’s just not an elite coach. Can’t make basic coaching errors vs the Spurs, or even the Lakers.
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Okc is a good team...So is Dallas...Bring it on
The best attitude to take in regards to our matchup is we are their Problem not the other way around. Okc and Dallas have been good teams for a while. The unknown monster in the closet is the Nuggets. If we get to full strength, no one knows how good we are, not even us. We have the Littles to match the speed of Westbrook and Durant. And we have the Bigs to bother Nowitzki. AAA and everyone get healthy but, we have lots of weapons in our arsenal. Our goal is to go as deep as we can in the playoffs, so bring on the best teams, and let’s see if they can handle our speed, and our defense. We are the newcomer, the pressures on them.
by Nuggburg on Mar 28, 2011 10:38 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
They're a lot better since the trade
And obviously very good with the addition of Perkins. They’re just not as good as we are.
Their 2nd unit is hugely exploitable at PG (Eric Maynor is terrible) and at center. I also tend to think they have defensive rebounding problems…
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That Melo "article" was horrible
Nothing but innuendo and insinuation. I love that he never once mentioned that the Knicks gave up 4 key role players that have impacted the team. That was just bad bad bad
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I guess I'm spoiled by SBNation
writers. I don’t recall this kind of turrible blogging. While I might disagree with some of the opinions, I haven’t read those that don’t at least address the facts of the situation.
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What? I'm saying I'm spoiled by
how good SBNation is with there blog writers….
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weII im sayin its not optimaI to compare sb bIogs who get sponsors with other Iess credibIe ones.
Im just sayin no point in gettin riIed up because of one misceIIaneous bIog that you onIy found because you come to this one.
I'm not really "riled" up per se.
I’ve read other blogs that while okay, were not atrocious.
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I thought Bleacher Report was the worst
until I read that one.
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Agree. Not just the Denver guys either.
SBNation model of recruiting quality local team bloggers and making them part of a network was pretty genius. Combine that with the commenting software that they use and next thing you know, adult people from all over the nation will spend numerous hours commenting on blogs with strangers instead of billing hours.
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Yeah, but stuff like this is unwarrented and ignorant:
“Karl is one of the most overrated coaches in NBA history with a horrible defensive philosophy. He allowed gunners like Anthony and Iverson to just jack up shots”
Karl allowed them to shoot like hell because of the lesson that he learned in Seattle and Milwaukee: your idiot owner/GM will fire you if you are on bad terms with your stars, even if your team is winning.
Of course, it seems like the Nuggets’ ownership is going in the right direction, while Milwaukee is quickly turning into the Atlanta Hawks and Seattle was crippled by Howard Schultz’s ineptitude and Clay Bennett’s douchebaggeryness.
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Here's another
“However, having two me-first players and a coach with no defensive philosophy delivered fool’s gold in the end to to the city of Denver. At this point, Denver should have changed it’s name from the Nuggets to fool’s gold”
OH MAN, THAT GUY IS FUNNY! HA GET THE JOKE? GET IT? GET IT? MAN, I F*CKING CAN’T STOP LAUGHING
(/sarcasm)
Yeah, this is why I stick to SBNation and a few other respectable blogs (Roundball Mining Company, Basketbawful, Ball Don’t Lie).
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Yep those are pretty much the ones I read
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Completely uncalled for
Karl has both offensive and defensive schemes. The “Random” offense, and the “junkball” defense. Both may make you want to poke your eyes out, but he does have a philosophy.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
The main thing that Karl lacks is an effective inbounds play for endgame situations
Although not having Anthony Carter helps alleviate that problem…
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I haven't missed any of it
I’m watching all the games. Lots of good ball. If we could get Karl to the games before the second quarter, I’d be even happier.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Progress
before you know it you will actually compliment him about something
It's Timofey MOZGOD time
Ujiri for MVE
GALLO!!!
I give him credit
when credit is due. Most games he does a lot of things well. He gets a lot of credit for seeing the potential in a Lawson/Felton lineup. I haven’t seen him with his head in his hands on the sideline in a while. They actually do seem to be running plays on offense, and they are playing a lot less of the switch everything and let my pg guard your center defense. Though I did see Felton on Washington’s center last game, and he got a steal.
At this point, he doesn’t have much to improve. Call timeouts when needed, and find some more minutes for the bench bigs so that they are ready when they are needed in the playoffs. Prior to the Melo trade, he was atroscious. Now he is doing a good job, but I fear his ego regarding timeouts is going to cost them in the playoffs.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions
I have to say, speaking of Karl
that something really bothering me. Why is he now really arguing with officials and calling timeouts more? Maybe it’s just timing, but that kind of bothers me. Those kinds of things have nothing to do with the players……right?
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Have you ever worked
with a co-worker that just made everyone miserable?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions
That doesn't answer the question. Just a jab at Melo.
That wasn’t my question. But I’ll play. Yes, I have worked with many people that made someone miserable. And we carried on anyway and performed. And it was up to our manager to manage everyone and that person. If you want to use a false equivalency I’ll play.
It’s upt to a manager in this scenario, to set aside ego to help empower all his/her employees to perform at their utmost. But as you can see, this measure starts to fall apart because this is a false equivalency argument. Speaking of….
I know we all like to apply “real world” employment situations to high level professional sports. It’s a false equivalency. I’m sorry, but these ARE not the same working conditions that you or I would normally encounter. So I think the filter we use isn’t really quite accurate. I understand why we use these, because it helps us relate more to their situations.
(I’ve done it myself, and then realized…that’s really not appropriate)
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I think it ties back to that article you FanShotted, Cat.
The one where Karl basically said if the trade hadn’t happened, he probably wouldn’t have signed an extension in Denver.
The Melodrama caused so much friction in the locker room that it eroded Karl’s passion. I’m sure it was hard to get passionate and yell at the referees when your team could get turned inside-out at any time. Karl himself has basically said that the trade renewed his passion for coaching, which is probably why he’s so much more into it now than he was before.
Yes, it’s his job to coach and motivate the players, but I could hardly blame him for losing his passion during the worst doldrums of Melodrama. Heck, I sort of lost my passion for the team at the same time only to have it completely renewed with the trade, so I can understand where Karl’s coming from.
But we aren't getting
paid to go out there everyday and play and perform. GK had just as much responsibility to keep doing what a coach is supposed to do.
I just thought it was weir.d
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I don't care who you are
it is hard to do a good job (and yes SD, it is a job just like the rest of us) when you wake up every morning dreading going in to work. You can be as professional as you want, but it will impact your performance.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes it is a job, but
they have to deal with FAR more crazy things than we do. Press, rumors(not just the superstars either), egos galore. They know it. I can forgive GK during his cancer stuff. But it almost seems like he let tail wag his dog. If you know what I mean.
But with your model, then I guess we shouldn’t really gripe when a player has a bad game, wants more money, just doesn’t want to go to work that day.
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Melo and GK were clearly a bad fit for each other
I suppose both of them can be given a good share of the blame for the way the Nuggets underachieved so much recently.
My inclination is to give a larger share of the blame to Melo.
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by ParkHillNative on Mar 28, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, of course
there are 11 other players and several coaches we are leaving out, too.
GK and JR vs GK and Melo
battle of the worser fits?
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Agreed, but GK's obligation and his desire are two separate things.
From what we’re hearing lately, the team was coming apart at the seams with the whole Melodrama business, with players having no idea what their future with the team was or if they’d be here for the next game.
That had to be an incredibly hard team to coach, and when coupled with the frustrating experience of trying to convince Melo to stay even though he seemed determined to leave and the fact that he was the only one the media could badger about the trade while Josh and Masai negotiated, and I can completely understand why he would have been a less enthusiastic coach before the trade, and rejuvenated one afterwards.
Yes, his obligation was to coach the team as hard as he has ever coached them despite the Melo situation, but I can totally see why he wouldn’t. Especially with the added pressure of it being a contract year for him in Denver.
That bothered me too
It seems contrary that he would do a poorer job(detached) job of coaching during a contract year….He made it seem like he was pissed at the org that they weren’t doing anything about his contract because of the Melo thing. But then I thought, why are those even related?
His contract shouldn’t have anything to with the players, except that he would maybe decline the extension.
I dunno….just bugged me…like he was just tanking it….
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Meaning we losing our passion is different than a coach losing his passion.
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I'm not talking about yelling at referees just in the case of Melo
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Melo is getting a lot of hate he doesn't deserve
Guy is a quality player and a winner. Just so happens the Nuggets were really good and he didn’t matter on that team. Also the Knicks gave away their role players and the current role players are ill suited to his style.
Doesn’t mean he’s Marbury. Doesn’t mean all teams are worse with him – just the Nuggets and current Knicks.
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The melo trade
earned enough respect for me for masai and josh, that I’m really not even worried about who we keep after this season. I am confident that these guys know what they are doing, and will get done the necessary moves. And I am surprised that I am saying this lol.
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Tomorrow I think
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by Jeffrey Morton on Mar 28, 2011 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
CU takes on Alabama at 7 p.m. Tuesday at Madison Square Garden.
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Thanks!!!
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I'd like to see
CU take on Wazzu two teams that got snubbed by the NCAA
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I disagree more
and I would back it up with reasons but the selection process really isnt based on reason so…
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Yes but I disagree with your larger disagreement
and I would also use reason but reason has made by bracket look like my math tests with all the red lines
It's Timofey MOZGOD time
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GALLO!!!
But to disagree with my larger disagreement would put us into agreement that we both greatly disagree
and Nuggz fans should never disagree!
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So we agree to greatly disagree?
that works, in some way we are agreeing, agreeing about how wrong the other person is but still agreeing
It's Timofey MOZGOD time
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GALLO!!!
Really, you guys are just going to give up
/puts popcorn away
dangit
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its hard to have a disagreement over something that is based on such little reason
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That's not a good enough reason
I mean I have popcorn
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Klay Thompson is legit... that is why the Cougs got snubbed
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I'm listening to Nate Kreckman
“He says anyone watching the Buffs tomorrow night? Pfft, who cares, it’s the NIT.”
He’s pissing me off this morning
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NIT final four might have a larger fan base than NCAA tourny
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I'd agree if it weren't for Kentucky
but they have the biggest hick bandwagon base one can have
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True! But Alabama has gotta be huge maybe not purely basketball though
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I think their idiot fans only poison historic trees because of football and not hoops
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This is an interesting comparison
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Soooo
after feeling a huge craving for Nuggets basketball I realize that the Nuggets still do not play for another 56 hours. What a crime against humanity
It's Timofey MOZGOD time
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To the Hague!
Crimes against humanity will not be tolerated. The NBA schedule maker is on the docket just behind George Bush.
The schedule is pretty bad though. I know they can’t do away with all back to backs without reducing the number of games, but the 4 games in 6 nights stretches are hard to swallow when you have a hole in your schedule like this one.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Lest we forget last season's schedule
22 bsb’s and a pretty tough end of season stretch. let’s use this time to rest the injuries to AAA, Felton, Gallo and Chandler. Most are minor and won’t affect us in the long run if they get the rest now.
by Joelsopinion on Mar 28, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Agree on the subject. Problem is, the other team nobody wants to face? OK City. The Nugs are playing lights out and not making up any ground. What a 4-5 matchup this could be.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Mar 28, 2011 11:11 AM MDT reply actions
That's kinda what I was thinking too
how do you go 12-4 and not mak up ANY ground in the seeding chase? Let’s hope Durant gets a rare non life threatening case of malaria for the rest of the regular season. then maybe we can actually challenge for the 4 seed.
by Joelsopinion on Mar 28, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
You could pay a college girl
to give him Mono and they still couldn’t catch OKC at this point. 5 games back in the loss column with 11 left. It’s over.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Take a look at ESPN's Baseball preview
Cargo getting the nod.
that was a good read
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Article on Bird having been injured in Toronto game...
… being pulled from SA game because of injury, and feeling a lot better afterwards in time for great Wizard game.
Also, blurb about Karl not being worried about Chandler’s ankle.
http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_17715409
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BREAKING TIM TEBOW NEWS!!!
He lost in the first round to Jamaal Charles in the Madden cover bracket.
Peyton Hillis made it through to the next round.
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I'm pretty sure
Aaron Rogers will win that one
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Saw an interview with Michael Vick and Peyton Hillis the other day on the NFL network. And couldn’t help but think, “Thanks for giving away that guy, Hoodie Junior. You ass.”
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Mar 28, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
hey now,
we got a good, hearty ham sandwich in return for him. I heard it was delicious.
by Rainbow skyline on Mar 28, 2011 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions
nice video
one of the most underrated zep songs, from easily the most underrated album.
by Rainbow skyline on Mar 28, 2011 11:44 AM MDT reply actions
Completely agree
There’s better performances of that song out there, but this was the cleanest vid (outtake from The Song Remains the Same)
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by Jeffrey Morton on Mar 28, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions
just curious jeff, who's your favorite active band?
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active? Wow.....
Before the last 7 years I’d say it was U2…but they are dead to me now.
I’m drawing a blank. I’m a big Sufjan Stevens fan … I don’t know if he’s my favorite. New music has kinda disgusted me lately so I’m desperately seeking something (non-hip hop) to listen to,
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by Jeffrey Morton on Mar 28, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions
What???????????
How can U2 be dead to you????
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
They are my favorite band in the past 2 years….
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The last U2 album was their best since All That You Can't Leave Behind
Eagerly awaiting the Invesco concert in May.
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wow...trailing zero fail
Make that 20 years….or more
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would've thought a zep-head like yourself would at least be into, say, the black keys
I know they just broke up so don’t qualify for my earlier question, but what about the white stripes?
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Helllllllllo stiffies
Like Greens piece and the ameture from Philly was funny but I don’t get him saying GK is an overrated coach. I think it is quite simple that superstars win over coaches in feuds ie. D-Will/Sloan… Karl let Melo, AI and Chauncey do whatever they wanted to do just so he could keep his job. While doing so and winning at a decent rate he now has no superstar egos and nothing but young role players all playing their ass off in hopes to get some playing time. Now Karl can coach, have fun and actually try to teach these guys his ways of basketball and apparently they are pretty damn good looking at that 12-4 mark to the Nuggets real 2010/11 season. Other than that i kind of agreed with the rest. Good reads tho.
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I just dont Iike his not givin any effort when its difficuIt, and now that he has a roster of pIayer which any coach wouId Iuv to coach, hes aII up and cheerfuI again.
meIo and chauncey had their egos, but there is some kind of a compromise you can agree to isnt there, did he reaIIy try to communicate with his stars or did he say ‘AH FUCK IT, not goin to try at aII here,’ which is what he seemed to do for at Ieast a coupIe of pIayoff series.
I asked a similar question above...
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Phil Jackson
showed how it is done with Kobe Bryant. It took a couple of seasons and some tantrums from Bryant, but he did it. After the thing with Ray Allen, Karl was probably not secure enough to do it. Especially with people making internet sites calling for him to be fired.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions
I worry that some of these "young role players all playing their ass off in hopes to get some playing time"
will someday want more money and pt than whats good for the team. Im sure we all sorta feel that in some way though.
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I think this is a fair question
and a reasonable concern.
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How did he rate a "fair" rating?
Most of my questions are labeled “spurious”, “unfair” or “nefarious”.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions
huh?
The question was a reasonable and non argumentative question.
How did this become about your questions?
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The thing is we're in a perfect situation
It’s proven that players play harder and produce more in contract years. Which means we’re getting max production out of these guys – and our team is good enough to contend. This also means that if we make it far enough, these guys will probably sign for less to stay with us.
The only way to get players to take less money is 1. if they’re happy and 2. they have a chance to contend.
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I assume the proof is implied in some kind of correlation between increased stats across the board in known contract years?
Didn’t realize there was a way to get at this…
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Thunder fans are starting to piss me off
Not only do they think we have no chance but they talk like they have already won a title with Kevin Durant. When old KD leaves the OKC for some big market franchise I will smile again. But not before we whoop that ass in the playoffs.
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OKC will lose in the first round....no matter who they play
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I don't really see Durant leaving OKC.
He doesn’t fit the LeBron James model; witness the extension he signed with the Thunder this offseason and then reported on Twitter with no fanfare or hullaballoo.
And I don’t have anything against Thunder fans yet. I like their team a lot; they’ve been built the right way. I look forward to our first round matchup with them; should be fun.
Do you realIze LBJ and Melo
Signed with Cleveland and Denver similar to wait Durant did?
Check in on Durant in 3-4 yrs and see if he signs another extension with OKC.
I have a feeling LAL will have a vacancy for him and as we know LA is much more intriguing than OKC.
Hell Denver is a much bigger market than OKC.
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
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Denver may be a cow town
but OKC is just an oil stain. Kidding.
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Durant
doesn’t seem as “hollywood” as the others you mention. Time will tell on this one, KD seems to have a different makeup though.
Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?
Seems is a key word
I have met some people who seem nice initially then they have some ulterior motive.
I have become cynical with age, but hollywood is appealing even for the best of them.
Tim Duncan seems to be the only true superstar who opted for the smaller market, but I think that kind of superstar is dead thanks to LBJ.
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
Or Duncan just likes being a
big fish in a small pond. Think about it, he has little competition from any other major league sports teams in the area. So, perhaps his ego is fed quite nicely in SA.
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Could be for sure
could also be that those types of things don’t appeal to him as much. Could be that the only thing important to him is winning bball.
Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?
I'm unwilling to give him any credit for lack of ego
I think any player in the NBA has to have some measure of ego.
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Everyone has an ego
TD sure does a good job of putting the team before his
Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?
Explain?
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You never
hear about him complaining, wanting more touches, wanting more PT, wanting a trade, wanting better players around him. Just keeps his head down & mouth shut and wins bball games. I know he has an ego, cause like you said NBA players by default are egotistical, but he does well putting team first.
Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?
Well, maybe
we just don’t hear about it as much…..Not saying it’s not true, just saying that maybe they keep that stuff quiet and the local media leaves them alone with their dirty laundry.
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I highly doubt
it in this age of media. Not saying it isn’t possible, just doesn’t seem probable. Our society loves it when people fall, they would be all over Timmy like a pack of dogs if there was even a whiff of discontent or dirty laundry. Again all IMO
Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?
I dunno.
I think the Spurs are unusually protected. I mean look at the calls they get.
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Press and refs are apples and oranges
The former had a field day with Tony Parker.
by Artimus Mangilord on Mar 28, 2011 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions
My point is that I think San Antonio can do no wrong
in the press and the NBA
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You think?
i dunno, I’m pretty sure Durant signed a full max contract, you know like the one we gave K-mart.
He's also from Texas, pretty close to OKC
As close to Baltimore from NYC at least.
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If he didnt sign that extension
He would of been a restricted FA under a new CBA so the thunder could simply match any other teams offer (which would be considerably less to due no bird rights and new CBA) good rookies are basically locked into the team that drafted them for their rookie contract plus extension. then they leave (Shaq, LBJ, wade, Bosh). Duncan, Bryant and Iverson were loyal to their teams and we will one day find out with Howard, Paul, Durant and Griffin
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and he mentions Karl for COY. Which would mean Karl would be fired by the all-star break next season. Using that information you can decide which way you want to root for Karl and that award.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 1:34 PM MDT reply actions
Karl COY?
Stiff Staff, methinks this is a post and poll waiting to happen…
or did I miss it….?
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Don't they do the official voting before the playoffs are over?
Can’t really judge COY until the playoffs, IMHO.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions
In most sports, COY has nothing to do with the postseason
So, I’m not sure why this couldn’t be a current discussion…considering the regular season features only 10 or so more games.
This is the time of year when those discussions start taking place.
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I don't want Karl getting COY
We should get no accolades for anyone, even if they deserve it. We just need more motivation/ chips on the Nuggets’ collective shoulders.
I hope they give it to Thib or Pop. Pop can avoid the curse, but I don’t know if Thib can avoid the COY curse.
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
Meh.
I don’t think these are really playing that much with chips. They are playing for their futures. Karl and Kmart probably have the most to prove at this point…being that the clock is ticking for both of them.
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Are you kidding?
You’re talking about an entire roster of guys who were told they either weren’t good enough to keep (the ex-Knicks) or weren’t good enough for the franchise player to stick around with (the still-Nuggets). More specifically, every interview I’ve seen with Felton tells me that guy’s playing with a chip on his shoulder the size of Manhattan – it’s clear he is out to prove what a terrible mistake the Knicks made (remember the “don’t trade anyone” text?). He’s the most obvious/extreme example, but I get a similar vibe off Gallo & Chandler too.
Bottom line – if the Nuggets had any more chips on shoulders, the Pepsi Center would have start serving fish to go with.
"You cocky cock! You'll pay for your crimes against humanity!"
"He's like a man with a fork in a world of soup."
I don't see it that way at all
I think these guys knew their value. They can say, I was traded for Melo and Chauncey Billups. They weren’t traded for a ham sammich you know. Unless you think Melo and Chauncey have little value
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I think what Crafty is getting at
is that the ex-Knicks feel like they were thrown to the wayside.
by Artimus Mangilord on Mar 28, 2011 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions
I understand that's what he's getting at...
and I’m not so sure I agree.
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I agree w/ you. They are playing w/ very large chips. The Knicks guys felt that had something going, seems like they were part of NYK bball being “back” and what did they get for it? Traded
Whats worse bad basketball or underachieving basketball?
Exactly
If this ain’t a team playing angry, then I don’t know what is.
"You cocky cock! You'll pay for your crimes against humanity!"
"He's like a man with a fork in a world of soup."
Meh.
I’d prefer they play just as they and not let emotion drive this too far. What happens when they aren’t mad anymore?
I think saying they are playing angry diminishes their talent. I think we have the right combination of young guys with some veterans playing with nothing left to lose.
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I think we're arguing semantics here
“Playing angry,” “playing with nothing left to lose” – 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. But whatever you want to call it, guys up & down the roster are playing inspired ball.
"You cocky cock! You'll pay for your crimes against humanity!"
"He's like a man with a fork in a world of soup."
I actually think it's not sematics at all. I see these are very different motivational things.
Playing angry to me, means that you are playing like you have something to prove. That can only last so long. Playing fun, we got nothing left to lose, we got each other and let’s go have some fun is much more likely to sustain itself.
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I'm amazed that these players are able to keep a chip on their shoulder for so long
If I had a chip on my shoulder, I would eat it immediately.
WOW, that was a really lame attempt at a joke.
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By the way, I'm refering to my own comment, not CraftyB's comment
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
Can we get a perfect storm of
NBA championship + trade + COY the year after he recovers from cancer? I’d love tha tstory
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Thibs deserves it, though
Look at the Bulls last year. An average team with a decent defense and a horrible offense. Now, look at the Bulls this year: a championship contender with the league’s best or second best defense (depending on your perspective) and a decent offense. Carlos Boozer may have helped the offense, but it was Thibs that brought Chicago’s defense from middle-of-the-pack to top-of-the-league and he deserves credit for it.
However, if you can guarantee me that Pops will succumb to the COY curse, then give Pops the award.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
This.
Its gotta be Pops or Thibodeau with Thibodeau edging out Pops.
They’re allowing 44% eFG% since the trade deadline and 46% on the year even though they didn’t have Noah for stretches – that’s just ridiculous.
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It absolutely should, though
I don’t care how many games you win during the regular season, lose in the first round and you are not COY. COY doesn’t have to win the title, but playoffs should be a big factor.
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I disagree with this statement
I think you have to look at the whole body of work because there’s a lot of randomness in one playoff series. There can be injuries, you can happen to run into an unfavorable matchup, you can happen to have an off shooting night while the other team happens to shoot lights out. In the NBA, hell, you could run into the wrong official and lose a playoff series.
In some cases, like Butler, it’s coaching – they’re consistently good because of coaching. In some cases, the team wins in spite of bad coaching – John Calipari teams.
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Is Calipari really that bad?
I admit, I don’t know much about NCAA basketball. Actually my first year doing a bracket, which sucked me in. I figured UK wouldn’t get far this year given how much talent they lost last year to the draft. Their success this year isn’t attributable to coaching?
by Artimus Mangilord on Mar 28, 2011 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions
I mean, he's a great recruiter.
I’m not sure how much of that is Worldwide Wes and how much is his willingness to play freshman, feature them in the offense, and then let them go to the NBA.
His schemes and coaching leave a lot to be desired…
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Wow
From what I am reading now about Calipari, dude does seem to lack integrity.
by Artimus Mangilord on Mar 28, 2011 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions
This is his first NCAAA Final Four.
Last two have been wiped out yet the dude can still coach in the NCAA. Good one, this guy is definitely who I want teaching young adults.
These power rankings make me laugh
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Also the fact that Caron Butler matters at all
Or is good makes me laugh.
He hasn’t been good since the Lakers.
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Marc Stein is a Dalls homer
Don’t put too much stalk into his rankings. He is an entertaining read though.
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
Pruiti is awesome...
Great link
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it's great
but he forgets to talk about how much fast break points we generate as part of our offense
Those plays are much more important than fast break points
Fast break points will evaporate in the playoffs. These plays will still work. Halfcourt execution is the important thing in the playoffs.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Mar 28, 2011 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions
True, but the SSOL Suns did pretty well in the playoffs
Only one team wins the title every year.
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
Anyone watching Knicks v Magic
2011 Colorado Zombies-DeadWalking to the NL West crown
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Play some defense Knicks...no turnovers or badk jumpers
2011 Colorado Zombies-DeadWalking to the NL West crown
Tulo, CarGo, Ubaldo ,The Toddfather - oh my
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I do like Hedo
2011 Colorado Zombies-DeadWalking to the NL West crown
Tulo, CarGo, Ubaldo ,The Toddfather - oh my
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I often wonder what opposing players say to each other
where they start laughing together.
2011 Colorado Zombies-DeadWalking to the NL West crown
Tulo, CarGo, Ubaldo ,The Toddfather - oh my
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Howard fouls out
2011 Colorado Zombies-DeadWalking to the NL West crown
Tulo, CarGo, Ubaldo ,The Toddfather - oh my
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Still weird seeing Melo and Chauncey in any other jersey than a Nuggets one...
2011 Colorado Zombies-DeadWalking to the NL West crown
Tulo, CarGo, Ubaldo ,The Toddfather - oh my
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