The Denver Stiffs 2011-12 NBA Preview: Western Conference...
Unlike their counterparts in the Eastern Conference, the NBA's Western Conference boasts at least five teams that could contend for the NBA Championship making this perennially stronger conference as interesting as ever. And, of course, these are the teams that our Nuggets get to play against the most.
DENVER STIFFS WESTERN CONFERENCE PREVIEW
1. OKLAHOMA CITY THUNDER
Outlook: In a post-lockout NBA, the Thunder should be the biggest beneficiaries. Not only did they make it to the Western Conference Finals last season, but they are returning their entire roster which was young, deep and dynamic in the first place. Oh, and Kevin Durant may just be the best player in the NBA on top of all that.
So while most NBA teams suffer from a condensed training camp and crammed-in 66-game schedule with multiple back-to-backs, the Thunder are best suited to survive all this and will finish first in the Western Conference as a result.
Oklahoma City Stiff: No one in Denver likes these guys, but the most unlikable Thunder player has to be Kendrick Perkins who all but tried to kill a Nuggets fan after Game 4 of their contentious playoff series against Denver last season.
2. DALLAS MAVERICKS
Outlook: Losing Tyson Chandler and J.J. Barea will hurt, but the Mavericks reloaded by bringing in Lamar Odom, Vince Carter and Delonte West. IF center Brendan Haywood can stay healthy, the Mavericks have a great shot at repeating as NBA Champions even though the lockout-shortened season could have some ill-affects on this aging team. Don't be surprised if the Mavericks have a soft regular season performance followed up by a great post-season showing.
Dallas Stiff: Brian Cardinal is a true "Stiff" in a way that would make Doug Moe proud. Big, white, doughy and bald, Cardinal provided much hustle and toughness for the Mavericks last season and will probably do it again this year.
3. MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
Outlook: I don't know if the Grizzlies have the discipline to turn in a great regular season. But as a relatively young team with plenty of talent and a superb playoff outing now on their resume, I see the Grizzlies building off of their 2010-11 performance and giving aging teams fits throughout 2011-12. And lest we forget, the Grizzlies went on their magical ride without Rudy Gay last season. With Gay back, the Grizzlies could become title contenders.
Memphis Stiff: This spot used to be permanently reserved for Zach Randolph, but Z-Bo has turned his game around and become one of the toughest SOBs to deal with on the low post. So the "Stiff" Award here has to go to Hamed Haddadi, a big, bumbling Iranian that can't seem to get one minute of playing time on the court.
4. LOS ANGELES LAKERS
Outlook: Everyone is writing off the Lakers thanks to the Odom trade, the Mike Brown hiring, Kobe Bryant's age and the non-acquisition of Chris Paul. And while, granted, the Lakers imploded at Dallas last season in the playoffs' second round and Andrew Bynum will be suspended for the first five games of the 2011-12 season, this team still won 57 games last year and the prolonged lockout - combined with the early playoff exit - probably helped Bryant get healthy, which makes the Lakers dangerous. The Dwight Howard trade talk will prove to be an ongoing distraction, but the under-the-radar signings of Josh McRoberts, Jason Kapono and Troy Murphy will keep the Lakers very competitive (and very white, too!).
Los Angeles Stiff: Jim Buss - son of Lakers owner Jerry - is supposedly running the show and has already made a number of missteps, like not consulting Bryant on the Brown hiring, approving an Odom giveaway for nothing and coming across as an idiot when holding the Larry O'Brien Trophy after the 2010 NBA Finals. Could the younger Buss become the West Coast version of James Dolan?
5. SAN ANTONIO SPURS
Outlook: In 2010-11, the 61-win Spurs looked all set to win another one of their "odd year" NBA Championships (they won in 1999, 2003, 2005 and 2007) until the Grizzlies tanked games to face the Spurs in the first round of the playoffs and took San Antonio out in six games, becoming just the fourth eighth-seed in NBA history to beat a one-seed. Now this aging team gets to slog through a tight schedule while the Thunder, Grizzlies and Mavericks appear as formidable as ever. I don't like the Spurs chances at a successful 2011-12 campaign.
San Antonio Stiff: Father time. Five of the Spurs' key contributors are north of 30 years old.
6. DENVER NUGGETS
Outlook: The Nuggets have a lot of good things going for this roster, notably size, youth and depth. All of which will make the Nuggets a tough opponent on any given night and could land them as high as third in the regular season Western Conference standings as smaller, older and less deep teams fall by the wayside due to the grind of the lockout-shortened schedule. In fact, I don't foresee the Nuggets finishing lower than sixth.
That said, the Nuggets don't have a single All-Star on their roster whereas every team above and just below them here has one, if not two. Thanks to their depth and style of play, the Nuggets can probably win a bunch of regular season games without a single All-Star. But as we saw in the playoffs last year, having a few All-Stars might be necessary come playoff time.
Denver Stiff(s): It's going to be fun watching ex-Nuggets J.R. Smith, Kenyon Martin and Wilson Chandler try to squirm their way out of their binding Chinese contracts over the next few months. But here's hoping that Chandler comes back to Denver for a playoff run.
7. LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS
Outlook: I'm not sold on the Clippers bandwagon yet, nor should anyone be. Yes, the Chris Paul + Blake Griffin duo should be getting NBA fans everywhere excited ... very excited ... but this team has a logjam at point guard, no depth up front, Vinny Del Negro as head coach and, well, they're still the Clippers. A tough team to predict, the Clippers could finish anywhere from eighth to third in the Western Conference this season, depending on how much Paul changes the culture in Staples Center's other NBA locker room.
Los Angeles Stiff: The Clippers' point guard situation. Paul, Mo Williams, Chauncey Billups, Randy Foye and Eric Bledsoe is two - and perhaps three - point guards too many.
8. PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS
Outlook: This jinxed franchise remains just that in the wake of Brandon Roy's sad early retirement and the continued uncertainty surrounding Greg Oden and now LaMarcus Aldridge's health. But with Aldridge back, a roster that includes Gerald Wallace, Jamal Crawford, Marcus Camby, Raymond Felton, Nicolas Batum and Wesley Matthews is good enough to steer this team back into the playoffs, especially with Nate McMillan as head coach.
Portland Stiff: Health. I've never seen a team succumb to more disastrous injuries time after time.
9. PHOENIX SUNS
Outlook: As we saw last season, the Suns will flirt with the playoffs but fall out of the top-eight when all is said and done. Of all the seasons to have your two best players - Steve Nash and Grant Hill - be 37 and 39 years old, respectively, this isn't it. Surrounding Nash and Hill is an assortment of swing players plus the center trio of Marcin Gortat, Robin Lopez and Channing Frye is intriguing, but they'll need a collapse from one of the teams above to make the playoffs.
Phoenix Stiff: I'm not sure how team president Lon Babby sleeps at night. He inherited a team that made it to the Western Conference Finals two years ago and is now wasting Nash's last good seasons with a roster stuck in no-man's land.
10. UTAH JAZZ
Outlook: I'm not sure what to make of the Jazz's 2011-12 roster other than to say they won't be an easy out thanks to the size they're amassing in Salt Lake City. Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap and Mehmet Okur (if healthy) have serious game and youngsters Enes Kanter and Derrick Favors will be interesting to watch develop. The back court is a little patchy with Devin Harris at point guard playing beside rookie Alec Burks and second year man Gordon Hayward at shooting guard. But the Jazz have just enough overall talent and youthful depth to beat anyone on any given night, especially at home.
Salt Lake City Stiff: It's too early to call Favors a bust or not, but the Nets sure were anxious to trade this third overall pick to Denver for Carmelo Anthony last year and the Jazz must not have been enamored with Favors enough to not draft Kanter this year.
11. GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
Outlook: One of the most fun teams to watch in the NBA, the Warriors aren't going anywhere until they resolve the Stephen Curry / Monta Ellis back court situation. Curry and Ellis are both too undersized and both need the ball too much to play together, but they are talented enough to give opponents fits if they maintain their up-tempo style play. I'm also expecting a better season out of David Lee now that he's acclimated to the Bay Area.
Oakland Stiff: The Warriors didn't really pay Kwame Brown $7 million for one season, did they? Did they?!
12. NEW ORLEANS HORNETS
Outlook: The Hornets surprised a lot of people by making the playoffs last season but such a surprise won't be replicated this season. Despite losing Chris Paul to the Clippers this year, they took back enough in the trade (Eric Gordon, Chris Kaman and Al-Farouq Aminu) to not be the worst team in the Western Conference ... but they'll be close. The loss of David West hurts, too.
New Orleans Stiff: Team "owner" David Stern. While the Hornets ultimately did better with the Paul-to-the-Clippers trade than they would have done with the Paul-to-the-Lakers trade - and while owners do have the right to veto trades - the Lakers trade was fine by any objective measure and Stern crossed a line as owner/commissioner that should never have been crossed.
13. MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
Outlook: After many cold NBA winters in Minneapolis in the wake of Kevin Garnett's departure, things are getting exciting for Timberwolves fans. Kevin Love. Ricky Rubio. Michael Beasley. Derrick Williams. Rick Adelman as coach. The Wolves could finally climb out of the Western Conference cellar this season and should be one of the more fun, young teams to watch in the NBA.
Minneapolis Stiff: After presumably being bounced out of the NBA for good, the attitude-heavy Bonzi Wells is attempting an NBA comeback at age 35. Had he just been a nice guy in the first place, he wouldn't be having to do this right now.
14. HOUSTON ROCKETS
Outlook: Rocket-ed (pardon the pun) by the non-Pau Gasol trade that should have happened two weeks ago, the Rockets have one of the less appealing rosters in the NBA and will struggle to stay relevant in the Western Conference. I still like Luis Scola, Kyle Lowry and Kevin Martin but new head coach Kevin McHale is going to be wishing he stayed at TNT come mid-season. Simply put, the Rockets have never recovered from the injuries that took down the Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady Era.
Houston Stiff: Rockets' GM Daryl Morey has been lauded for years as the Billy Bean of the NBA. Exactly how do those advanced analytics used to build an NBA team look right about now?
15. SACRAMENTO KINGS
Outlook: Don't look now, but the Kings suddenly have some exciting young players on this team - Tyreke Evans, DeMarcus Cousins, J.J. Hickson, Jimmer Fredette, Marcus Thornton, Jason Thompson and solid veterans like John Salmons and Travis Outlaw. As an Eastern Conference team, they'd be ninth or 10th. But even the bad teams in the Western Conference are good enough to keep the Kings in the basement.
Sacramento Stiff(s): Owners Joe and Gavin Maloof attempted to hijack the Kings to Anaheim and (purposely?) failed thinking there would be no 2011-12 NBA season, thus giving them enough time to pretend to want to stay in Sacramento while ultimately sending the team to Anaheim in 2012. Um, a funny thing happened on the way to no NBA season in 2011-12...
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So Afflalo?
Crouching moron, hidden smarta**
Optimism, pessimism, F*CK THAT; we're gonna make it happen. As God as my bloody witness, I'm hell-bent on making it work.
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point."
Masai Ujiri, Brian Cashman: Magnificent Bastards
Tweet from Marc Stein
Just going up on ESPN online: Sources say Nuggets and restricted free agent Arron Afflalo agree to five-year deal in excess of $43 million
First
and booooooourns, Andrew.
Nuggets at # . deal with it
DenverStiffs > MileHighReport
#4
And damn you other Kevin.
DenverStiffs > MileHighReport
by KevinAwesome on Dec 19, 2011 5:35 PM MST up reply actions
My predictions
Lakers
Clippers
Thunder
Nuggets
Mavericks
Spurs
Grizzlies
Suns
Gotta change this one
New Prediction:
Clippers
Thunder
Nuggets
Mavericks
Spurs
Lakers
Grizzlies
Suns
I don't want to get excited until Hochman confirms AAA deal
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Ok
We’ll wait.
Crouching moron, hidden smarta**
Optimism, pessimism, F*CK THAT; we're gonna make it happen. As God as my bloody witness, I'm hell-bent on making it work.
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point."
Masai Ujiri, Brian Cashman: Magnificent Bastards
The skeptical kitty
Needs Hochman to confirm, wait.
Crouching moron, hidden smarta**
Optimism, pessimism, F*CK THAT; we're gonna make it happen. As God as my bloody witness, I'm hell-bent on making it work.
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point."
Masai Ujiri, Brian Cashman: Magnificent Bastards
ESPN has burned us before...
so yes Skeptical Cat doesn’t want to be disappointed.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Where is the optimism?
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 6:09 PM MST up reply actions
Remember the lockout beat it out of me
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Stein was first to report nene deal
should be legit. Hell yeah!
"Weltmeister!!" Zwei mal: 2010-2011...und weiter gehts
yeaaaa buddy!!!
Were set for the year!!! Go NUGGS!!!
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PurpleRow.com
PinstripeAlley.com
Is this true?
If it is then, that is awesome news.
by moondoggie12 on Dec 19, 2011 6:05 PM MST up reply actions
Marc Stein is reporting it...
im just waiting for all the other NBA guys to start tewwting “can confirm Stein’s report”
MileHighReport.com
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PurpleRow.com
PinstripeAlley.com
yea, i've been looking
Noone other than stein has reported it yet.
by moondoggie12 on Dec 19, 2011 6:08 PM MST up reply actions
Slight overpay
But could be a steal if aaa blossoms in the absence of stars
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 19, 2011 6:10 PM MST up reply actions
I'd settle for a visit to the Finals
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
agreed.
i do like the 5 year part however. he could well be underpayed those last couple years.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 19, 2011 6:18 PM MST up reply actions
here's my west predictions.
okc
memphis
denver
dallas
portland
clippers
lakers
spurs
kings
houston
phoenix
golden state
minnesota
utah
new orleans
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 19, 2011 6:14 PM MST reply actions
mind you, i think the playoffs will be like a different season entirely
more so than most years. anyone who makes the dance has a chance to get jiggy.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 19, 2011 6:17 PM MST up reply actions
wow. every time i post everybody goes silent.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 19, 2011 6:21 PM MST up reply actions
i hate being the new kid at school.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 19, 2011 6:22 PM MST up reply actions
Don't post during dinner time
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Dodge ball target?
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
I like this
Except for Portland. They might be a top-8 team, but the Lakers, Spurs and Clippers are all better.
"No one likes a beggar slightly overdressed"
superstar? no
just a clutch guy
and i see us with 2
Trip n Gallo
Nugget lover, Karl hater and trolling since 82!
My predictions
1. Oklahoma City Thunder Durant is a beast, Westbrook is still an a-hole but they will sadly get the top seed.
2. Dallas Mavericks Strong if not just a little stronger than last year, if they face the Thunder in the playoffs again, they’ll win again.
3.Los Angeles Clippers Young and two great players…. CP3 and Griff will be very funny to watch.
4*Los Angeles Lakers* Still plenty of talent, but it will be a off year as I expect their players to be disinterested in playing at this point.
5. Memphis Grizzlies They are going to go through slumps this year but they have the potential to make the finals this year in the right streak*
6. Denver Nuggets I can see us struggling in January, but overall I believe we will finish the season strong and make noise in the playoffs.
7. San Antonio Spurs Old, shell-shocked and won’t favor from a 66 game season.
8. Portland Trailblazers They have talent, that is for sure but I don’t see them contending until they open up their offense a little.
9. Golden State Warriors I think they’ll have streaks of brilliance but they won’t make the playoffs.
10. Phoenix Suns Steve Nash is still good, but their front court and bench is weak.
11. Minnesota Timberwolves They’ll be fun this year and they have too much talent that is young to regress.
12. New Orleans Hornets The West version of the Pistons, mediocre players, not enough youth and they should never of got rid of Collison.
13. Utah Jazz Fall from grace since losing Jerry Sloan, I still think they’ll tank this year for the draft.
14. Sacramento Kings A very good core to build on, but they still won’t be good for awhile.
15. Houston Rockets Strike one, Strike two, and strike three this team will stink.
Atheist for Tebow!
"I do not threaten, I merely state facts"
"Your Agonizer please, Al Harrington"
Your Dallas, LAL, and Memphis ratings are too high
Seriously, Memphis is the GSW of 2007, they will not be as strong as they were in the playoffs. I don’t see where they get all the love. ZBo is pretty lazy during the season. Just watch it!
LAC is a wildcats team, they have talent on paper, so I will slot them at 2.
But I think the Nuggets size can steamroll most teams (we are the new Lakers), sans Kobe, but we still have plenty of scoring.
Don’t underestimate our depth either, I say Nuggets at 3rd spot is pretty realistic. Maybe 2 if the LAC experiment doesn’t work out.
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
Look at that Roster!
Tony Allen the defensive specialist who can score, Mike Conley, a solid point guard, Marc Gasol, a top 5 center, Mayo! They still have him and Zach Randolph.
Oh I forgot to mention their best scorer, Rudy Gay who can light things up.
Atheist for Tebow!
"I do not threaten, I merely state facts"
"Your Agonizer please, Al Harrington"
They are still a playoff team
But a lower seed is all. ZBo is their main go to guy and I say he starts failing. Also I think Gay has an Ewing theory effect on the team. How did they get so much better when he was injured?
Plus the loss of Battier is understated for the Grizz as he was a great veteran presence.
I think we may miss that with KMart, but I don’t know if we will miss it as badly if Nene dominates the PF spot like he should.
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
I could see
the Nuggs from 3rd-8th, they’ll probably shake out right around the 5-6 seed
Release the Tebow!
I have no idea what is going to happen
The league had figured out this team by the end of last season. But this is team has so many changes from the one last year. Plus the weird regular season. I think they are a playoff team, but wouldn’t be shocked to see them in any position 1-8. This could be a phenomenal regular season team that has the best record overall and gets killed in the playoffs.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 9:38 AM MST up reply actions
My absolute predicted playoff seeding
1. Oklahoma City
2. Denver
3. Dallas
4. Lakers
5. Clippers
6. Grizzles
7. Spurs
8. Suns
Atheist for Tim Tebow!
From my biased point of view as a Blazers fan.
It´s funny how we fans overrate our own teams and I´m not going to broke this tradition. I hear you loling though ;)
I´ve seen that.
The Blazers are no a young team anymore. People who don´t follow the Blazers will be surprised by their new offense. Do you know to which team´s offense it will like to? Yep, the Nugs. Without Brandon they Blazers are made to run and attack the rim. Raymond Felton, Wesley Matthews, Jamal Crawford, LaMarcus Aldridge, Nicolas Batum, Gerald Wallace and Marcus Camby make a team you have to take seriously. They won´t get far in the playoffs but they will be very competitive during regular season, as always has happened with McMillan´s teams.
And he´ll be very good if he keeps shooting so well.
I don´t think McMillan will give him enough playing time though.
I don't necessarily follow the Blazers
but I did hear somewhere you guys were practicing with a shortened shot clock.
by The_NGUYENNER on Dec 20, 2011 12:18 PM MST up reply actions
GET ON BOARD PEEPS!
Hollinger has picked us #2 in the West….the guy is right.
Sick of all the “hero” worship in the NBA when it comes to a superstar. Sure its better to have a superstar than not at a position but it means something to have a “team” and one who fits well together. I can’t believe after we posted a 19-6 post trade regular season record people are so skeptical.Yes we lost to OKC, a damn good team, most all games were close, we were a team that didnt go through training camp together and just experienced adversity for the first time together. AAA was hurt, Chandler and Gallo were playing hurt. What did we see last year from our team, post trade? Great defense, transition offense, shooting and passing. We lost because we couldn’t find a go-to offensive threat against a good defensive team and because Ty and Nene didnt assert themselves. Also because GK didnt play Gallo enough. Why we will be awesome and even better this year?
1) Improvement from Gallo and Ty. These guys wont be superstars but they will be stars and the begginings will be seen this year.
2)Mosgov-doesnt have to score alot but needs to give us post D and rebounding. A frontcourt of him, Nene and Gallo is big and lenghtly and will allow Nene to be guarded by a PF that is smaller than him instead of a C who may be bigger. Nene will blow up on offense. Plus he can will kill opposing PF on D.
3)No JR baggage. This crap hurt us in the playoffs. No more.
4)The top teams sans OKC are down, Lakers do not scare me at all, Mavs got lucky last year and the loss of Chandler and Barea will really hurt, especially on D, SA is getting old but dont sleep on them. Memphis and OKC will be tough, but we are in there with them.
5)Flexibility to get better. We have a trade exception, Miller’s expiring contract, young assets, Chandler sign and trade to use to trade for a piece that could propel us to the next level.
TIME TO GET EXCITED WE ARE GOING TO BE GOOD, FUN AND WE WILL BE CONTENDERS.
WE WILL PLAY OKC IN THE CONF FINALS…BOOK IT AND GO TO VEGAS WITH IT…
espn is now nearly unreadable
unless you pay.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 11:07 AM MST up reply actions
it's obnoxious
and it seems to have only happened with nba coverage, for reasons unclear to me.
by Rainbow skyline on Dec 20, 2011 12:19 PM MST up reply actions
at least simmons has started grantland
and has sworn to never charge for any content.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 12:30 PM MST up reply actions
CAN YOU FEEL IT?!
Here in US, you watch NBA; in Soviet Russia, NBA watch you! - LACKov Smirnoff
by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 11:39 AM MST up reply actions
Needs more Gallo
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
CAN YOU FEEL THE DIFFERENCE?!
I think that’s what we decided it would become… too lazy to search old threads.
Here in US, you watch NBA; in Soviet Russia, NBA watch you! - LACKov Smirnoff
by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 12:56 PM MST up reply actions
That sounds right
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Noted. May have to update my signature
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 1:04 PM MST up reply actions
I just read your sig, that's hilarious!
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by Nate Timmons on Dec 20, 2011 1:05 PM MST up reply actions
Speaking of LACK.....where the heck is that guy?
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Maybe he got his first gf and moved on?
Here in US, you watch NBA; in Soviet Russia, NBA watch you! - LACKov Smirnoff
by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 1:31 PM MST up reply actions
Are you saying
that SD has never had a gf?
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
He's talking about LACK not me
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Yes, but
apparently once you get your first gf, you have to stop posting here.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 1:36 PM MST up reply actions
And I've not had a gf in that sense of gf :)
NTTAWWT
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
As with Yachts and Mansions
If you have to ask, you don’t have enough
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 1:03 PM MST up reply actions
Somebody has to be the contrarian...... Come on Down
This season, not unsurprisingly, will be weird.
- Team most likely to surprise… Sacramento – Think Cousins
- Team most likely to fall from grace…. San Antonio – see CloudBurst comment
- Overnight Success…. Clippers – They now have more maturity, stars, excitement
- Team most hurt by Weirdness…. Your Denver Nuggets
- Best CloudBurst pick…. Houston – dunno about last but they’ll be bad
- Finally some life here…. Timberwolves
- Biggest surprise to make playoffs…. In this season of weirdness there will be one, perhaps GS
- Most solid…. Portland – with all their bad luck they’ll compete night in, night out
I see the Nuggets being hurt by “holdouts” and front court defense/rebounding. They’ll frustrate from questionable chemistry. Good enough to make the playoffs? Barely, hopefully.
Why barely?
We BARELY lost to the Thunder. WIthout that crazy no-call for goaltending, we had a real shot at the series. Yes, OKC was a better team, but we weren’t too far behind. We have so much room to get better. I know OKC has Durant and that makes them a contender from here on out, but why is everyone so certain their growth will outgrow our’s? In those playoffs we had Felton’s and Chandler’s ridiculously inefficient play and an injured Afflalo. There are many unknowns, but we showed our floor last year: a first round exit.
Except for Bird, most of the Nuggets "weirdness" is gone.
To me Sacto is the strangest team in the West. A lot of different personalities on that team. I would switch Sacto and the Nuggets on your list.
And Bird isn't really all that weird anyway
I mean yeah he’s the Illustrated Man and drives semis…but aside from that.
If you read AAA’s twitter he seems way weird.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
AAA gets your vote for most likely to become a scientologist?
Here in US, you watch NBA; in Soviet Russia, NBA watch you! - LACKov Smirnoff
by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 12:56 PM MST up reply actions
I'm not having a religious discussion.
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Who's talking about religion?
I’m talking about science fiction reading
Here in US, you watch NBA; in Soviet Russia, NBA watch you! - LACKov Smirnoff
by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 1:05 PM MST up reply actions
Or was that code for me to zip it so we don't get banned ; )
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 1:05 PM MST up reply actions
I've been itching to ban someone...
hahaha
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by Nate Timmons on Dec 20, 2011 1:07 PM MST up reply actions
Itchy banhammer?
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I'm trying to get better about not weighing in with trolls
It takes a village…
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 1:09 PM MST up reply actions
I volunteer!
for a 12 minute ban!
Let's start a riot!
by Army of Nugs on Dec 20, 2011 1:38 PM MST up reply actions
Well, I missed this post and your 12 minutes are up.
That was easy!
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by Nate Timmons on Dec 20, 2011 2:57 PM MST up reply actions
How did it feel
wielding the ban hammer once again?
Let's start a riot!
by Army of Nugs on Dec 20, 2011 3:06 PM MST up reply actions
Felt good! Now go read my AAA piece!
Shameless self promotion!
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by Nate Timmons on Dec 20, 2011 3:09 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, about that piece
I was banned from it
Let's start a riot!
by Army of Nugs on Dec 20, 2011 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
The price of power strikes again. Spiderman was right…
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by Nate Timmons on Dec 20, 2011 3:12 PM MST up reply actions
There
I posted 1 comment over there, now back to trolling here
Let's start a riot!
by Army of Nugs on Dec 20, 2011 3:15 PM MST up reply actions
You know who else was a shameless self-promoter?
Thomas Edison
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 3:29 PM MST up reply actions
Is that the a-hole who started Christmas lights? I love Christmas lights!
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by Nate Timmons on Dec 20, 2011 3:53 PM MST up reply actions
For some reason that made me think of Kanye
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 4:26 PM MST up reply actions
Nobody has been banned in at least a few days
time for some unicorns rainbow pictures.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 1:07 PM MST up reply actions
For a few days, this site reminded me of one of those old geocities pages that cause seizures
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 1:35 PM MST up reply actions
geocities? OMG
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You have to live in Japan
to use it anymore….very sad.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 1:39 PM MST up reply actions
We really should trade Karl to the twolves
so that he and Kahn can run the first all-pg team that they both dream about.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 11:26 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Did the TimberLOLs and Houston switch things up?
I see to remember McHale being involved with their organization, and he’s now coach of hte Rockets, while Adelman is coaching in Minnesota…
Never count on a guy like Kurt Rambis whose name sounds like rhombus to implement the triangle offense. Minnesota should finally be fun to watch this year.
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 11:43 AM MST up reply actions
I think the Clippers will stumble out of the gate
But solidify as a team as the season picks up. I’m with you on the contrarian side. Nuggets at #2 in the West is way too high. I’m as excited as the next guy, but the Lakers aren’t just going to implode like so many think.
I see our Nuggets at highest the #4 spot, at lowest #7
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 11:41 AM MST up reply actions
Take five...gotta disagree.
Not sure what these “holdouts” are but I agree rebounding will be a key. We were a weak rebounding team before the trade and after the trade a pretty good one. I think that being bigger will help us, plus we can enter the Manimal in place of Cheeseburger to infuse some boards. We will scare teams in this compressed scheduling with our depth and running. Also we have no egos sans JR. These are all good guys who want to win, Rudy just wants to play and he will be fine. Here are my predictions:
1)OKC
2)Nugs
3)Memphis
4)Clippers
5)Lakers
6)Spurs
7)Mavericks
8)Blazers
Nate,
can we open up a special post for predictions that we can keep and see who is right? Maybe whoever is closer to the West order can get a free dinner and some drinks at a post season Fan Night?
Well I hope you are right
"Holdouts" was a reference to Nene and Afflalo contracts. Your reasons all good ones.
Don’t look now, but teams that have been bad, now not so much.
I'll agree with that part
Clippers come to mind first. Sac’s got potential.
GREAT IDEA on the contest.
I’ll work on getting this started and we’ll have something official up soon!!!
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by Nate Timmons on Dec 20, 2011 12:13 PM MST up reply actions
Don't we normally have a reg season record contest?
if we do this year, put me in at 47-19
Let's start a riot!
by Army of Nugs on Dec 20, 2011 1:39 PM MST up reply actions
Percentage wise
wouldn’t that be the best record they have ever had?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 1:42 PM MST up reply actions
I called it here first
Let's start a riot!
by Army of Nugs on Dec 20, 2011 1:44 PM MST up reply actions
That's it!!!
12 minute ban for irrational exuberance. Now if only I could find that banhammer. I know Nate left it around here somewhere….
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 1:48 PM MST up reply actions
I had it
Forgot to put it back in the drawer after I bludgeoned Metallica’s lifeless corpse with it.

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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 1:50 PM MST up reply actions
Needz moar Mustaine
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 20, 2011 1:51 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah! I forgot you were a big Megadeth fan
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 1:53 PM MST up reply actions
Only metal band I like (although I haven't purchased and album of theirs since the 90's)
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 20, 2011 1:55 PM MST up reply actions
No Black Sabbath?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 1:57 PM MST up reply actions
Nah....Ozzy irritates me
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 20, 2011 1:58 PM MST up reply actions
I AM IRON MAN!
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 1:59 PM MST up reply actions
Grizz
With Darrell Arthur out, I fear we (Memphis) are now going to let down most of your predictions as a 2-5 seed. We were already thin in the front court after Gasol/Zbo. Brian Skinner and Hamed Haddadi arent going to cut it. Look for Memphis to make a trade or FA signing soon. We are loaded at shooting guard, so look for Mayo/Sam Young/draft picks to go if we make a trade.
by peytont on Dec 20, 2011 11:06 AM MST via iPhone app reply actions
Maybe the Nuggets will trade D. Carroll back to Memphis for a pick
Hey, it worked with Dallas. The Nugs FO likesto get something for nothing.
we'll pass!
Wasn’t a fan of Carroll- he is Shane Battier without the 3-pt shooting, experience, composure, IQ… You get the point.
by peytont on Dec 20, 2011 12:28 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don't think many realize the potential and value of Arthur
That was a tough blow and I agree with your comments.
The good news is that many teams a stacked with Bigs so a trade is very doable. As you point out you don’t need stars, just more depth up front.
Yes, Arthur was a huge member of that Memphis bench.
Really gave them a different kind of energy off the bench.
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by Nate Timmons on Dec 20, 2011 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
Wow, you guys are ON IT!
I was gonna break the bad news about Arthur here, but y’all beat me to it. And howdy to Grizz fan peytont. Memphis may be my second fave team (will I be drawn and quartered for saying that here?), and I love me some Darrell Arthur off the bench. I was disappointed, to say the least, when I saw the news of his injury.
By the way, Haddadi has indeed gotten more than a few minutes of playing time and, while he ain’t exactly Wilt Chamberlain, I’ve liked what I’ve seen: good effort, some decent skills and plenty of that unteachable thang, too.
No. More. Stickyball.
by LongWindedHank on Dec 20, 2011 4:05 PM MST up reply actions
Gotta get my pessimistic $0.02 in
I think Jeremy over at RMC mentioned something recently about a chip-on-the-shoulder factor that the Nugs had going for them last season after the trade, and what a big boost that gave them. That factor will not be present this season.
It’s going to be a very weird season, with all the back-to-back-to-backs and so on, so who knows what will really happen. But I’ll be pretty surprised if the Nugs are any higher than 6 or 7, and won’t be shocked if they miss the playoffs.
But as always, I will be rooting for them every game, and hope that those of you who are more optimistic turn out to be right.
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by ParkHillNative on Dec 20, 2011 11:07 AM MST reply actions
Has the chip left?
Most people still have us penciled in for not making the playoffs. Outside of the more astute observers (Hollinger, and Simmons), we are a crappy team.
I am still worried about the playoffs, but way too much can happen between now and then to know how the Nuggets will do. I do know we can be a damn good regular season team.
I believe in Batman to assess our position come March and use Chandler as a trade chip for whatever need we have in March.
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
The trade deadline is March 15, for now
The CBA regular season ends of Feb. 15th. I can’t find anything about how long their playoffs last. But Kmart, Chandler, and J.R. should be back in time to be used in deadline deals.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 11:35 AM MST up reply actions
the chip
was a result of the Nuggets left behind feeling like Melo had told them “You’re not good enough for me,” and from the arriving former Knicks feeling like they were being told “The whole lot of you are not as good to us as one Carmelo.”
So yes, that chip is gone. I can’t see similar motivation coming from pessimistic preseason predictions.
"There's no way I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team' ... I was trying to beat those guys." -Michael Jordan
by ParkHillNative on Dec 20, 2011 2:05 PM MST up reply actions
Ha... similar thoughts to my own
I’ve said previously… I’ll call it last season’s “Relief Rally” rather than chip, but same reasoning.
I'll give you the chip on the shoulder
But what about the fact that they put together that late season push without having played AT ALL with each other. They’ve got that experience under their belt, albeit not enough expereince, but far more than they had before.
What are our weaknesses?
To me we have post scoring with Nene, should be better this year,3 pt shooting with AAA, Gallo, Rudy and AL, slashing with Ty, Gallo and Brewer, distributors in Ty and Andre, Defenders in AAA, Brewer, Nene, shotblockers in Bird and Mosgov, speed, size, athleticism, depth, coaching and no headcases. We are a good passing team and should be able to rebound effectively and if we can watch out…
Holllinger
His forecast:
1-OKC
2-Den
3-Spurs
4-Clippers
5-Lakers
6-Mavs
7-Blazers
8-Griz
9-Rockets
10-Wolves
11-Jazz
12-GS
13-Sac
14-Phx
14-NO
Here is what he says about the Nugs:
I know, I know, you think I’m insane. But before you have me committed, hear me out.
If I had to bet on a long-shot team to win the title, Denver would absolutely, positively be the one. Not only are the Nuggets better than people realize, they have more potential for in-season improvement than any other team because of all their trade assets. More importantly, the regular-season format favors them more than any other team in the league.
Remember Portland in 1999, a team with no stars that won big in the lockout season because they threw waves of depth at their weary opponents? This team is the second coming of that squad, minus the technical fouls and incarcerations. The Nuggets go 12 deep, and George Karl, more than perhaps any other coach in basketball, will absolutely use all 12. I’m convinced it’s his dream to become the first coach in history to have 12 players average exactly 20.0 minutes and 8.8 points a game, and he may come close to that goal this season.
Think about this: Andre Miller, Rudy Fernandez, Corey Brewer, Al Harrington and Chris Andersen are Denver’s second five. (The starters are projected to be Ty Lawson, Arron Afflalo, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov and Nene.) Behind them are two rookie first-round draft picks, Jordan Hamilton and Kenneth Faried, both of whom should contribute immediately. Somewhere in there, beginning around midseason or sooner, is Wilson Chandler too.
Throw in two other factors and I really like Denver this season. First, they’re good: They went gangbusters after the Melo trade last season, going 19-6 with a scoring margin greater than 10 points a game before playing the JV in the finale against Utah. They struggled in the playoffs when they had to depend more on starters-versus-starters matchups and suffered injuries in the backcourt. They’ll likely struggle in the postseason again this season unless they procure another quality big.
But in the regular season? Forget it. The second reason to expect Denver to excel is that the combination of altitude and pace is going to wreak havoc on opponents. With Lawson and Miller pushing the tempo, waves of fresh players checking in — nearly all of whom can run — and exhausted teams sucking wind in the Mile High altitude, I expect the Nuggets to have a ridiculous home record on the order of 28-5 or so. If they achieve that, they need to be only a 15-18 road team to fulfill my prediction. (My projection, by the way, includes a small dose of Wilson Chandler at season’s end, but no Kenyon Martin or J.R. Smith.)
That prediction is based on the roster staying as is. But remember, too, the upshot of Denver’s stealth robbery of the Knicks in the Carmelo Anthony trade. The Nuggets have as many trade assets as any other team in the league. They have a $12 million trade exception from the Anthony deal, lots of young, talented players that other teams want, and a $7.8 million expiring contract belonging to Miller.
If the Nuggets can swing that into another quality big man, their playoff ceiling goes much higher. Barring that, they’ll have a great regular season and another early playoff exit.
But in the big picture, everybody is sleeping on this team. With overwhelming depth, two potential breakout players in Lawson and Gallinari, and tons of trade assets, the Nuggets are in fantastic shape.
lol
Karl playing a 12 man rotation….I wish
by JBnuggs on Dec 20, 2011 11:46 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, Great stuff
Good to see an independent third party so high on the nuggs. I was surprised that he thinks that the biggest team the nuggs have had in forever needs to get even bigger. I wonder who he has in mind as another rotation big?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 11:46 AM MST up reply actions
Late night out drinking the heavily spiked Kool-aid
Not insane but…….. that’s why they play the games.
I like/agree with his “assets” thinking
I do agree with his assessment of needing a better Big but what the Nuggets need, a D-Jordon, an Ibaka, even a Favors for upside etc. won’t be made available.
Where do they need a better big?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 11:52 AM MST up reply actions
to replace who?
Bird? Harrington/Manimal?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 12:31 PM MST up reply actions
I wouldn't care who Ibaka replaced if we had him
If you didn’t notice from last season then you’re in for an (un)pleasant surprise.
How is the current rotation anything like last season?
Moz at 5, Nene at 4, and Gallo healthy is completely different. Is there a larger front line in the league?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 12:37 PM MST up reply actions
I like our front court, though how good Moz is - still unkown
I find our front court lacking in defensive presence and rebounding as I’ve said. The West is full of Bigs. Who’s going to stop drives to the basket?
Moz has the size
to contest shots without jumping at every pump fake like bird, and the weight to bang down low, unlike Camby. When was the last time Denver had a 7’ center who wasn’t built like a bean pole?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 1:05 PM MST up reply actions
I think Moz not jumping at every pump fake
is more a function of him not having ups. Dude is tall, but doesn’t seem to jump much.
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 1:08 PM MST up reply actions
Well, he has speed and power … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du-H9S2Kx2A
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by Nate Timmons on Dec 20, 2011 1:17 PM MST up reply actions
Which one was Moz
all russians look the same.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 1:21 PM MST up reply actions
Hmmm. Mozgov does not look like Prokhorov
Just sayin’ or Maria Sharapova for that matter
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There you go again
trying to disabuse me of my prejudices. I’m not having it. As far as I’m concerned, Mozgov and Sharapova could be the same person, just one wears a skirt.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 1:30 PM MST up reply actions
It is not prejudice or racial profiling
just statistics.
Let's start a riot!
by Army of Nugs on Dec 20, 2011 1:41 PM MST up reply actions
Look, I don't care how tall Sharapova is
she can’t dunk, and even put Mozgov in a tennis skirt, he still look nothing like her. That’s all I’m saying.
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Isn't Moz married to Sasha Vujacic?
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by LongWindedHank on Dec 20, 2011 4:11 PM MST up reply actions
Not in this country
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Good video of the Moz..... sure glad we held out for him in Melo trade.
He should be fun to watch this year.
mengke bateer
and he’s also my default answer to any nba question
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 20, 2011 2:01 PM MST up reply actions
Good article
Yes, the rotation part cracked me up, as Karl won’t play 12 deep, but everything else Hollinger talked about was spot on. We are set up well for the future AND the present.
As far as the getting another BIG talk, I believe that must stem from the fact that we looked undersized last year against Perk and Ibaka and Collison. They outplayed us down low. However, I think several things were in play. One, Karl did not play Mozgov or Koufos, allowing Nene to slide to PF. That is a huge factor. Plus, now we have Faried in the mix for energy that can match or outproduce that by Ibaka. So I don’t believe it is necessary to get another BIG. I think you roll with what we have and see how these guys develop. You have to see what you have in Mozgov and Koufos.
If Fareed's development matches Ibaka's, I'll be a happy man.
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 11:53 AM MST up reply actions
When Ibaka first came in the league
People thought he was a project with slight upside.
I love how many Nuggets “fans” jump on the negative side of things before the players even play.
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
Yep... I fell in love a couple of years ago
The kid just keeps getting better. Not bad for the 24th pick.
What I was saying is that
Most people didn’t think Ibaka would be as good as he is and you are thinking Faried won’t be that good. All I am pointing out is you don’t really know until they play the game.
For all we know Faried could be better than Ibaka
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
Could be for all we know....
I love the style that Faried brings to the game. He’s a great addition.
Still, he’s a rookie so give him a year or two.
The Nuggets still lack the length and athleticism and interior presence of an Ibaka. Faried isn’t that style of player either.
Mozgov has more size and similar athleticism
He can develop faster than Faired too. Karl likes what he sees with Moz.
I know I am in the minority, but Moz will make some noise and Koufus will be a solid backup
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
You underestimate
Desire. Size is a bit overrated in my opinion. When a guy like Chuck Hayes at 6’6" is able to play Center for the Rockets, and do so admirably, and sometimes very effectively, it tells you all you need to know about size.
True, Ibaka has better measurements, and I really like the kids motor. But Faried I believe will surprise in the same ways, and then it just comes down to desire.
Chuck Hayes was not signed
apparently some heart issue discovered in physical. Ben Wallace was another of those undersized guys who in his prime held his own against most centers in the league.
by jd80229 on Dec 20, 2011 12:47 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
I'd argue Faried is MORE athletic than Ibaka
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 1:11 PM MST up reply actions
It is close
But I have to see more of faried. Ibaka’s dunk where he took the teddy bear off the rim last year in the dunk contest was the best of em all. One of the best dunks I’ve seen in a contest…
Can someone remind me what happened here?
Oklahoma City Stiff: No one in Denver likes these guys, but the most unlikable Thunder player has to be Kendrick Perkins who all but tried to kill a Nuggets fan after Game 4 of their contentious playoff series against Denver last season.
I would’ve pegged Westbrick as the least likeable…
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 11:51 AM MST reply actions
I heard something about Perkins fighting with some fan
But don’t remember the detail.
Most Nuggets fans did indeed hate Westbrook and Karl for ruining that playoff series with his rotations.
That is my biggest fear, we have the talent, but Karl has to use the depth n the playoffs or we will be doomed again.
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
The problem is the offense is too reliant on fast breaks
which works in the regular season, but not the post season. Even an older team like the spurs can effectively shut down the fast break when they focus on it in the playoffs. They have to make sure they have a legitimate half court offense by the time the playoffs roll around.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 12:10 PM MST up reply actions
We have the right personell for a good half court offense
But will Karl allow it? That is what gives me shivers about this team. Can Karl get over is ego and actually implement a good system? That is my biggest question mark.
I think the team as currently constructed can win a ship, but they need Karl to step up too.
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
Karl's ego is the Nugget's 'stiff'
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 1:14 PM MST up reply actions
He spelled Westbrick and that Durant kid's names wrong.
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I'm calling it now
OKC is overrated. They haven’t added anyone. Durant is a pure shooter. He showed he can’t miss an open shot, but is still relatively sluggish when driving to the rim. He’ll have the same awesome numbers as last year, fine. Kendrick Perkins is a good interior defender; he’ll be no better, no worse. James Harden is really the only one with room to grow, but “point guards” who are reallyjust shooting guards in a 1-guard’s body have a way of stunting growth for those around them. Russel Westbrook had a fantastic year last year, but don’t see him surpassing them this year. They’re a great, young team, but I’m hesitant to get on their bandwagon unless I see reason for their growth.
Have you seen Perkin's new "body?"
Won’t make him into a superstar but OKC 1st or 2nd is a no-brainer.
OKC is good
But I am sensing KD is not much of a leader and neither is Westbrick or even Scott Brooks.
Their talent will take them far, but when they hit real adversity (like a 4th quarter collapse to Dallas) they don’t respond well. Time will tell if they can adjust, but that is a major weakness for them.
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
But do they get better or regress?
Nuggets had plenty of playoff experience, Melo didn’t seem to learn anything and I am saying KD could got that route too. I dont know, but as you are saying the Nuggets will suck, I say the Thunder may not be able to develop the right way.
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
Plus have KD and Westbrook figured out their roles in crunchtime?
they seemed confused on when and who should have the ball or take the shot when it matters.
by jd80229 on Dec 20, 2011 12:52 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Sorry, I meant Westbrick
My bad ;)
by jd80229 on Dec 20, 2011 12:56 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
I disagree
1) Durant is arguably the best player in the league now
2) Even if he’s sluggish driving, he’ll get easy foul calls as a superstar and he’s a lights out FT shooter
3) I noticed him being more of a vocal leader last season and I only see that growing. He’s the leader of that team.
4) Westbrook will likely mature, which has been his biggest weakness
5) That squad gained a ton of experience with their playoff run
I don’t like OKC, but I can’t agree with your assessment. Unless they take themselves too serious and start mailing in games, they’re a lock for the top spot in the West IMHO.
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 1:46 PM MST up reply actions
Understand your reasoning
However,
1. KD has nowhere near the athleticism of a Lebron or a Rose, and is too one-dimensional to be considered the best player. Arguably, sure, you can argue it. But ultimately he just isn’t. I went to Texas, am a huge KD fan, but not sold on his ability to put a team on his back (especially when Westbrook thinks that’s his job).
2. Great point on this one. My question is why he doesn’t drive and get to the line when it matters. He rarely drove on us in the playoffs, and it was a huge favor. You can’t teach aggressiveness. Not sure he’ll ever take full advantage of the calls he could get. But I’ll give you that as somewhere he can grow his game.
3. We’ll see if he’s become a leader. Once again, it goes back to Westbrook allowing that to happen.
4. A lot of speculation on whether a player like Westbrook matures. Melo never did. It’s speculation both ways, but the playoffs showed Westbrook’s true colors. Even so, Westbrook is not exactly a superb (or willing) passer, limiting his ability to improve others.
5. Experience only takes you so far…Nuggets made it past the 1st round 1 time after a ton of playoff experience.
Their talent will take them far. But I say they’ll stay right around where they did this past year. If they do well, it will be because the older teams are falling off.
Good response, thanks
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 2:55 PM MST up reply actions
6)
Ibaka could grow into one of the best PFs in the league this year.
I hate to say it, but OKC is shit-your-pants scary.
by Rainbow skyline on Dec 20, 2011 4:50 PM MST up reply actions
RoxWS2014, did you see Durant's fadeaway off one foot last night?
a la Dirk? He used it to score over some excellent, tight defense. OKC may well be overrated, but Durant still has room to improve, and the kid is still working on his game.
No. More. Stickyball.
by LongWindedHank on Dec 20, 2011 4:16 PM MST up reply actions
Has any other SBNation blog written a league wide analysis...
…. like this one that is worth reading? I love these kinds of articles.
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
good stuff Andrew
watching the lakers vs clippers last night, looks like the clips will be solid and will be able to trade for more frontcourt depth with all the extra guards to spare. The Lakers will be ok upfront with 2-3 guys to replace Odom’s production, their guard depth will be an issue, and TY should be able run circles around their backcourt.
by jd80229 on Dec 20, 2011 12:25 PM MST via Android app reply actions
anyone else have the new SB nation droid app?
I like except my screen wont rotate when I use sliding keyboard on Droid 2. Am I doing something wrong?
by jd80229 on Dec 20, 2011 12:30 PM MST via Android app reply actions
I've seen some complaints at Purple Row about the same thing.
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i'm not built for the the touch screen when typing
my sausage fingers get in the way….dialing ok, but I rarely call anyone anymore.
by jd80229 on Dec 20, 2011 12:58 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Type this comment into the Droid App post on the main page.
IT guys will respond to you there. They did with Apple app launch. And they are still tinkering with some details…
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by Nate Timmons on Dec 20, 2011 1:07 PM MST up reply actions
Few teams I don't like...
Dallas got a lot worse defensively and they’re not that deep. Loss of Barrea hurts. They’re relying on Beaubois to stay healthy and Kidd to not be… ya know old. They barely got the #3 seed last year. Liked the Lakers adding Mcroberts but they still had questionable depth before and losing Shannon Brown with no other real gains would be a red flag to me.
Add in Kode age and Gasol’s mental fragileness they’re easily out of the top 4. I see them in the 6 range.
I’m one that thought that Denver would move to the top 4 seeds with health. Depth at all positions and like the mix of players. I worry a bit of mental focus. Hoping Miller and Afflalo can be the ring leaders there.
San Antonio would need the Hill trade to payoff to stay in top 3 seed with this current schedule makeup. Popovich would bench his guys on b2b nights. What does he do for b2b2 mixed in there?
Mine would be as follows
OKC
DEN
DAL
LAC
LAL
SA
MEM
POR
Nope
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The revolution will not be televised
You will not be able to stay home, brother.
You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out.
You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip,
Skip out for beer during commercials,
Because the revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox
In 4 parts without commercial interruptions.
The revolution will not show you pictures of Nixon
blowing a bugle and leading a charge by John
Mitchell, General Abrams and Spiro Agnew to eat
hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary.
The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be brought to you by the
Schaefer Award Theatre and will not star Natalie
Woods and Steve McQueen or Bullwinkle and Julia.
The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal.
The revolution will not get rid of the nubs.
The revolution will not make you look five pounds
thinner, because the revolution will not be televised, Brother.
There will be no pictures of you and Willie May
pushing that shopping cart down the block on the dead run,
or trying to slide that color television into a stolen ambulance.
NBC will not be able predict the winner at 8:32
or report from 29 districts.
The revolution will not be televised.
There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of Whitney Young being
run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process.
There will be no slow motion or still life of Roy
Wilkens strolling through Watts in a Red, Black and
Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving
For just the proper occasion.
Green Acres, The Beverly Hillbillies, and Hooterville
Junction will no longer be so damned relevant, and
women will not care if Dick finally gets down with
Jane on Search for Tomorrow because Black people
will be in the street looking for a brighter day.
The revolution will not be televised.
There will be no highlights on the eleven o’clock
news and no pictures of hairy armed women
liberationists and Jackie Onassis blowing her nose.
The theme song will not be written by Jim Webb,
Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Glen Campbell, Tom
Jones, Johnny Cash, Englebert Humperdink, or the Rare Earth.
The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be right back after a message
bbout a white tornado, white lightning, or white people.
You will not have to worry about a dove in your
bedroom, a tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl.
The revolution will not go better with Coke.
The revolution will not fight the germs that may cause bad breath.
The revolution will put you in the driver’s seat.
The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised,
will not be televised, will not be televised.
The revolution will be no re-run brothers;
The revolution will be live.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 1:52 PM MST up reply actions
Is that Gil Scott Heron?
RIP
My friend introduced me to ‘Whitey on the Moon’, which has to be my favorite of his.
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 1:54 PM MST up reply actions
Was not familiar with this.... (Just listened to it.)
But I had a Gil Scott-Heron album in the 70’s… Winter In America – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upKsTCKYm4E
Just did a quick review on Wikipedia. Died earlier this year. He was special talent.
Thanks for stimulating some interest anew.
Anyone who isn't familiar with that
should definitely youtube it. Still powerful many years after it’s time.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 2:21 PM MST up reply actions
As a generic Jazz/Blues/R&B fan....
We’re about to lose another classic talent: Etta James…. God Bless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YApNirMC9gM
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 20, 2011 2:48 PM MST up reply actions
Sad News
Nuggets have very few nationally televised games this year. I think we should replace “Can you feel it” with “The revolution will not be televised” and play that before the opening of every home game. Play the disrespect card with the revolution of a starless team beating some ass all season.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 2:55 PM MST up reply actions
I bet he wants to sign with the Nuggets...
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 2:10 PM MST up reply actions
Spurs have no bigs outside of Duncan and Blair (if you want to call him a big)
That is why they will fall. Still a great 3pt shooting team though.
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
They have Thiago Splitter
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 2:35 PM MST up reply actions
Forgot about Splitter
But they are relying an awful lot on Duncan. I just can’t see him handling b2b2bs well
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
He won't handle them at all
they have already been resting him on the second night of a back to back. He’ll sit out the middle game in that scenario.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 2:56 PM MST up reply actions
Pop is such a great coach
He’ll work it with marginal talent and get into the playoffs and make some noise
Atheist for Tim Tebow!
Spurs always find a way.
Crouching moron, hidden smarta**
Optimism, pessimism, F*CK THAT; we're gonna make it happen. As God as my bloody witness, I'm hell-bent on making it work.
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point."
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I usually agree
They ran out of gas in the playoffs last year, and have gotten worse this offseason. Father time may have finally caught up with them. It would take their PG playing at an MVP level for them to be good this season, I think.
Formerly KS and CS
by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 2:58 PM MST up reply actions
Bank on it.
Blair will step up.
Crouching moron, hidden smarta**
Optimism, pessimism, F*CK THAT; we're gonna make it happen. As God as my bloody witness, I'm hell-bent on making it work.
"This team is going to win a Super Bowl at some point."
Masai Ujiri, Brian Cashman: Magnificent Bastards
Never heard this song about the Nuggets
Look at the 2:17 mark on this Moz montage.
Btw dude is spewing with untapped potential. I feel an athletic Yao, or Arvydas Sabonis is definitely a possible ceiling for him. Now I know why Ujiri held out for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tclU3zbVgUs&feature=related
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
so glad he did hold out for him
cause if not the knicks would still have billups and still be a threat of some sort. i don’t even see them as the slightest bit threatening at this point. i’m not a chandler fan.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 20, 2011 2:35 PM MST up reply actions
Hoping we see a lot of pick'n'rolls to alleyoops like at ~1:20
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 2:37 PM MST up reply actions
We got the best lob passer in Miller
I don’t see why not
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
Look at the 1:05 mark.
Gallinari could be so good. Check out footage from Melo’s entire career. You won’t see a pass like this.
Knicks imposing "Melo Tax", raising prices
(Quadriplegic former Brooklyn high school basketball player) Alanzo George learned from a pal who had been treating him to floor tickets that courtside spots set aside for people in wheelchairs at Madison Square Garden soared from around $300 last year to $2,850 this year….
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 20, 2011 3:07 PM MST reply actions
Could that have something to do with
the fact that by 2013, three of their players alone will put them over the salary cap?
That has to be a typo, right?
$300 to $2,850!?!?!?!?
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 20, 2011 3:31 PM MST up reply actions
i've got my radio tuned to am 950, and my yahoo gamechannel loaded and ready for tonights game. next best option to tele.
feeling a bit nostalgic as i prepare to listen to tonight’s game on the radio. i remember listening to one of nene’s first games in his first pre-season.
juwon howard got into it with somebody and the benches started to clear (this was pre-melo’s punching backpedal/pre malice in the palace which i believe happened later the year i’m describing if i’m not mistaken) and jerry shemmel discribed the rookie nene pointing at various opposing bigs to see if he could get any of them to go with him and everyone just looked at the ground when he pointed to them.
he may pass up too many shots, but anyone who wants to call nene soft is clearly misled.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 20, 2011 3:40 PM MST reply actions
Nene was a rookie the year before Melo was …
Pretty good story! Never heard that before and don’t remember it.
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by Nate Timmons on Dec 20, 2011 3:55 PM MST up reply actions
thanks.
i believe it was indiana they were playing, but i could be wrong. made me a nene fan before i ever saw the guy play.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 20, 2011 6:30 PM MST up reply actions
or amare
nene always gets up for the games against amare. probably has something to do with being in the same draft class. or maybe he just plain doesn’t like the guy. then there’s michael olowokandi. funniest fight i ever saw. they were winging overhand rights from 8 feet away.
by Patrick KB. Nugget on Dec 20, 2011 6:35 PM MST up reply actions
wild west
It’s crazy to see the parity in everyone’s predictions! People have the Lakers anywhere from 1-8, the Grizz 2-8, Mavs 1-8, etc… The west truly is wide open this year!
by peytont on Dec 21, 2011 6:50 AM MST via iPhone app reply actions
Does Shawn Marion now look like Beetlejuice from Howard Stern show??

Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
I was thinking he looked more like Snipes from Demolition Man
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by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 22, 2011 9:53 AM MST up reply actions
Great article.
However, as a Jazz fan, I must politely disagree with your “stiff” selection for my team. I’d definitely give that to Raja Bell. Anyway, it’s a good time to be a Nuggets fan. You guys certainly have a fun team this year.
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