Sweating Bullets: The Denver Nuggets roster and the cap floor
by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 1, 2011 10:44 AM MST
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PrintMy dream is for the Nuggets to field a roster. Is that so wrong? As question marks surrounding the team grow ever larger, it's time to start asking just where this franchise is headed for the future?
I'll be blunt, I'm starting to get an ulcer over the upcoming Denver Nuggets season. In some ways this is a bit worse than the Carmelo Anthony trade situation last season. The Nuggets are more clearly at a crossroads now than they were when they traded Melo; simply because a massive portion of the roster is undecided. With J.R. Smith, Kenyon Martin, and Wilson Chandler in China and seemingly unavailable to the Nuggets to re-sign (until they complete their one year contracts with their Chinese teams in February or March), the team was already at a disadvantage.
Adding to all of that is the Nene Hilario fiasco. He is seemingly disgusted and feeling "disrespected" by the Nuggets and opted out of his final year on his contract to become an unrestricted free agent. And throw in another addition sigh: Arron Afflalo is also an unsigned restricted free agent. Well, Nuggets nation is so full of tension you could cut it with a knife. Trouble is, there are no easy solutions to the Nuggets problems. These problems have arisen both by circumstance and by some clumsy handling by team management.
Let me state unequivocally that it's my feeling the Nuggets management team anticipated a lower ceiling and floor to the salary cap. Based on the Nuggets bottom basement salary situation at the conclusion of last season I'd say that is a safe bet (and by the revelation that the Nuggets were one of the teams pushing for 47% Basketball Related Income share for the players.) By retaining (see extending) some of their players, the Nuggets could have safely made it to a lower cap floor without too much overpayment.
When the players surprised everyone and disclaimed interest, it changed the dynamics of the new CBA deal slightly. That will be discussed in further detail when the full agreement is revealed. However, a side affect of the players gaining concessions (and the big market owners agreeing to some sort of revenue sharing) could very well be the 85% cap floor rule (which will rise to 90% two seasons from now). This, essentially brings all teams spending in line with each other. It also prevents what has happened with the Nuggets sister organization, the NHL's Colorado Avalanche (super low payroll). It disallows disproportionate floor spending in relation to all other teams. Essentially it forces teams to invest their new found revenue (through owner revenue sharing and reduced player related spending) so they can't camp out and "collect" as it were. The NFL also adopted a high cap floor in their last CBA.
This has resulted in a bit of a quandary for the Nuggets. Do they spend on existing roster players (ie: give contract extensions and large bonuses to players already on the team) or do they go in to free agency and try to get up to the cap floor that way? The Nuggets have roughly $17 million to spend to hit the cap floor. Until the CBA is signed and players get to training camp on December 9th we simply will not know. The situation as it stands is fairly fluid.
Will Nene get over his hurt feelings and agree to an offer to remain in Denver? At this point it's doubtful. Nene's interview with Yahoo! Sports Marc Spears seemed to indicate that the chances of a return to Denver are slim. It's a shame. Even if the Nuggets were able to convince Nene that Denver is the right place for him; it's apparent that it will take more money than they initially offered him. It's also a shame that the Nuggets future seems to be so heavily dependent on a player who was such an enigma during his time in Denver. I don't like it. If Nene walks, much of Denver's ability to be dynamic on the offensive end disappears.
Afflalo is a restricted free agent, meaning the Nuggets can match whatever offer he may get. This is an important advantage because based on his interview with Zach Lowe of SI.com, AAA isn't too happy the Nuggets decided to leave his future up in the air prior to the lockout. This seems to be a similar complaint to his fellow free agent and former teammate Nene. This seems to be a way that Stan Kroenke prefers to do business - extensions don't come quick and easy from Silent Stan. Nene was offerend an extension at the last possible minute. AAA was left to chance and there's a very good chance that the Nuggets wanted AAA back, but only cheaper. The chances Afflalo re-signs here are good, but the hurt feelings have been made public again. Maybe it's time for Kroenke Sports Enterprises to re-asses their approach to handling players?
All-in-all, this is giving me an ulcer. All signs seem to point towards the Nuggets entering some sort of undefined rebuilding project. Just how extensive, we don't know. Nuggets Vice President Masai Ujiri spoke yesterday about Nene's free agency as well as Afflalo's. Since the CBA has yet to be made official he couldn't comment on the amnesty clause (being able to buyout a current player on the roster) or anything specific. So the waiting game continues.
It's odd, but I never thought that $17 million-$26 million in cap space was a bad thing. I guess there's a first time for everything.
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All this rhetoric is normal. It all boils down to simple decisions…..
1. Nene – He needs to decide whether to take less money to move to another city. Can I see him doing it ? Yes. But Denver can offer him more. To be honest it might be best for Nene to sign with a team where he doesn’t need to be the man. But I do want him to stay. He is under appreciated.
2. AAA – He will stay. The worst that can happen is some team will give him too large of an offer.. and then the Nuggets have to match.
3. The China boys – Chandler is really the only one Denver was going to keep. K-Mart and JR are free agents. Don’t think they were coming back anyways.
4. Bi Al – I hope the cut him this year, but might be stuck with him for the season.
5. The Cap Floor – The front office did a good job with the Melo situation. Now we get to see how well they scout talent and spend dollars. This is their first time. I am interested to see what they do.
by djyoung71 on Dec 1, 2011 9:21 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Well that is quite well said by golly.
Only suggestion I’d have is that with Big Al, they’ll keep him this year and who knows…
Maybe he’ll play much better, and he wasn’t bad anyway, and we’ll all fall in love.
Anyhow, that decision can wait.
Big Al will not be amnestied (if that's a word)
As I interpret the amnesty provision, it is for truly useless players with very big contracts. The reason: they still have to pay the player they amnesty. al may not be great but he is not useless and his contract may be big but it is not insane (see; Arenas, Gilbert).
In short, if they cut Al, they still have to pay him and still have to go out and find a replacement who, given the current FA class, will not be much better. Not going to happen. They will wait him out.
I wouldn't say useless players
Brandon Roy was amnestied…. i would love to see him in blue and yellow. It’s simply to rid a poor contract away from your salary cap. You should only see amnesties from teams who are trying to push for a title this year ala Miami with Mike Miller, LA with Meta-Wolrd-Peace etc. Denver will amnesty Harrington when they feel they need his money to add another player…. Will they need that this year? No. Will they need that in the coming years? Maybe. Will they use this amnesty? If they take the Avs approach, No they won’t. If the Avs approach is taken, they indeed will keep AL around just to be at the floor. It all depends on what this team does. Obviously they will have to spend some money this offseason to get there. A bug chunk will go to AAA and then the rest is up in the air. Don’t be surprised to see the Nuggets run with Ty, AAA, Faried, Galo and Mozfov for a couple years until they have to spend money again. I hope they don’t take this route but how the Avs are being handled now it would not surprise me one bit.
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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 1, 2011 11:37 AM MST up reply actions
The rumors are that the front office is going to amnesty him
But the Blazer fans are in an uproar. They all want to at least give him a shot, so my guess is that they cave in and give him a chance, but cut him if he doesn’t look worth it.
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They're going to take a closer look at him
Before they amnesty him. Know he’s popular with their fanbase, so they want to make sure he really is done and has no chance of being healthy again before they do it.
But you’re right, there’s a strong rumor that he will be amnestied.
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You are right…Roy isn’t useless, yet. Hopwever, he is a shell of his former self. His knees are shot. I would like to see him in blue but only on a one year deal at a cut rate. You have a point on Miami and LA, but the Nuggets are not in that situation and I do not see them being in that situation for the duration of Big Al’s contract, which isn’t very long.
i agree completely.
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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 1, 2011 12:00 PM MST up reply actions
they are doing it
because he’s essentially a max contract and he’s no better than a bench player. The doctors said after his latest injury that he can’t do more than come off the bench at like 20 min a night (or start and play 20 min a night) without having to call it quits after another year or two. They can’t have that money in a 20 min a guy night. If Roy gets the ax he will end up in Chicago.
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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 1, 2011 12:02 PM MST up reply actions
Not if the amnesty rule talked about is in place
In such a scenario, players would be picked up on a bidding system that would only be available to teams under the cap.
If that provision stays, the only way he goes to Chicago is if NO ONE under the cap picks him up at a minimum contract or higher.
or
if Chicago picks up the phones, calls a team up and says hey sign Roy for me and i’ll give you Taj Gibson.
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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 1, 2011 12:08 PM MST up reply actions
oh lord!
I love BRoy, the pre-injured BRoy.
But now, let’s stick with what we had post Mello: athletic, big, young, hungry, unselfish, interesting/intriguing, a couple of possible future stars.
We dont need veterans whose knees are shakier than mine no matter how good that vet was once.
I want to see Nugs go after Will Chandler because of his youth, athleticism, height (as a guard), improved jay. Will he be a star? Probably not but he should be a good, low maintenance rotation player, 1st player off bench, can come in for Moz, Nene, Gallo, AAA – how’s that for versatility?
We have to put our hopes somewhere. I bet on a returning Nene, Gallo, Ty, Moz. No sure things I know but they’ve all shown flashes to give us some hope. Oh, and dont forget Manimal and HamilSmooth.
Frankly, I think our success lies in how Karl develops and uses our assets. It’s all on him.
Like someone with matches, he could either start a fire that burns the house down or fire up a heater that keeps us toasty and happy.
I don't think I am as fearful as others about the Nugget's future
I have faith in the FO. It may be weird not making the playoffs since we have done it the past 9 years, but if the 2012 draft is so loaded, it may be worth the sacrifice.
I will be interested to see what happens on Dec 9th. Even my optimistic self has conceded on Nene.
I think Stan will spend on the Nuggets regardless of the cap floor if he has a legit star. But maybe that cap floor will keep us competitive.
This will be an interesting month though. I guess my other team besides the Nuggets will be the one that beats the Heat.
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If we have to re-build this is the season to do it.
First let me say I really really want Nene and AAA back and I don’t want to see the nuggets struggle through a season but if it has to happen lets do it during the shorter season rather than a long one.
I have cruised Bright Side of the Sun
Suns fans are in the dumper. They totally hate the owner, have no hope for playoffs.
Still, most recognize that this is a good year to miss the playoffs for next year’s draft.
Ujiri used the word "respect" about Nene and Nene's feelings and approach....
…. numerous times. Hopefully Nene is naive enough to fall for such a transparent gesture.
I was happy to see Ujiri say that they wouldn’t overspend for any other big men.
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Great article
It is an odd predicament the Nuggets find themselves in, but I have the optimistic gut feeling that the Nuggets have purposely found themselves in this predicament (though I agree, they thought the floor would be lower). But the Nuggets find themselves a uniquely advantageous position. We are a step ahead of where many teams would want to be at this time. We are one of the few ways a team can shed salary, and one of the few teams that can sign a big name free agent. Now, the problem with the latter, is there are no impactful free agents over the next couple years, which makes me think we should sign-a bunch of low-cost, short-term deals, and conserve as much money as we can, until the right opportunity arises (whether it’s resigning Ty, Galo, AAA, etc.) Fact is, as someone stated above, this is the PERFECT time to hit rock bottom. And we’re hitting rock bottom because we have our best players in their development stage, not because they’re washed up. It’s the perfect storm.
Future Stars..
Yes.. of our current roster Gallo and Ty have the best star potential. They both need to make big jumps this year. They will get plenty of burn….
Don't forget Moz, Hamilton and Faried
I think Moz is highly underrated, and his stats will look good with Miller lobbing him oops.
I think Faried can easily average a double double for the rest of his career.
I also think Hamilton will be like Paul Pierce, except faster and not look like a water buffalo in the rice paddies (as Scott Hastings would say).
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Interesting Comp
I went to UT when J-Ham was there, so I’m definitely bias. But I definitely think he has a ceiling of Pierce. My friend and I used Pierce multiple times. He can score in a variety of ways, but right, he is not built like a water buffalo.
Hey don't discount the usefulness of a big booty in bball!
It would be great to have a rookie step and be a stud. And they would have to be a stud to get consistent burn under GK.
Youre getting me real excited JR
I’m confident but my fingers are crossed about all of our prospects. I’m trying to be realistic.
For now, I’ll be thrilled with a fine rotation of hungry, unselfish players.
Denver fans, you all should be thrilled with what’s happening in your sports world.
As a NYer, if a year ago, you’d have told me that I would consider the Nuggets and Broncos as 2 of my favorite sports stories and that I’d be rooting feverishly for both teams, I’d have thought you sprung a leak in your corpus medulla.
Well, here I am!
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I know Prokhorov is intent on getting something done.
But the Nets really crave D-Howard so if they sign Nene he could end up in Orlando.
Denver still has the advantage of being able to offer an extra year and higher annual increases.
Time to Re-build
I agree with most here that a year of rebuilding might not be bad considering the draft is loaded.
I think that the shortened season heavily favors teams like the Heat, Celtics and Mav’s.. experienced and talent deep teams. Teams like Denver should use this shortened season to nurture and develop their young players. This may go against GK’s previous MO of rookies play sparingly but is the perfect opportunity to change things around with a focus on next year. If they get two more talented rookies like this year I think Denver would be one of the more talent deep young teams and be a serious contender. One of the bright spots of the Melo trade was that Denver was very deep in talent and could keep fresh players on the floor all the time, versus when we played 5-6 players for long periods
I truly hope that Denver does not sign JR or Kmart back. I think their actions and attitudes are detrimental to the team and I think its time Denver focus on building a young cohesive team that has learned how to win.
All good points
Just want to add one player to that list: Wilson “looks just like Floyd Henderson, TJ’s dad in Smart Guy” Chandler. I know he supposedly has a high ceiling, and it sucks that we’ll lose him for nothing, but try comparing his playing style to someone like Galo’s. He so blatantly only cared about shooting the ball, and nothing else. Not to mention that he was awful at it come playoff time. He has the same mentality as Melo, with far less talent. Not sure whether or not I’m preaching to the choir with this one, but he, just like Melo, will never make anyone better. We can’t afford to develop anyone with that playing style. And honestly, that’s what we’ll miss most in Nene. I think his underwhelming stats are a function of him not getting nearly enough touches, and because he was so willing (and talented) and dishing out. Unfortunately, Nene’s a moot point, and seeing him go (hopefully a sign-and-trade to a team above the cap), will expedite our fall to the bottom (top of the draft board).
I think you're wrong about Chandler
When he was in NY, he wasn’t at all selfish. He’s a hustle player along the lines of Afflalo.
Problem was he never got totally comfortable here and had some nagging injuries.
He doesn’t have the best handle, though, whether passing or dribbling.
Not sure how the Nuggets assess his value. He’s good, not great.
I agree..
Chandler is a good player. The biggest issue both in NY and Denver is that Chandler and Gallo can’t seem to play together. Seems having them both would make the lineup flexible, but it doesn’t happen on the court.
I would not be sad if we traded Chandler
I thought I would miss Linas Kleiza, but it seems backup 3s are easier to replace than other positions. The only thing is we have to get something in return for Chandler instead of nothing like we did with Kleiza.
We already have Hamilton at the backup 3. I would rather re-sign JR or maybe Shannon Brown just to shove it in the Laker’s face.
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Didn't watch him in NY
I’ll take your word for it. But seriously, he looks like Floyd Henderson.
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by Nate Timmons on Dec 1, 2011 10:35 AM MST up reply actions
Players are still not allowed to talk w/ team execs or coaches so it's just shootaround stuff for now.
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by Nate Timmons on Dec 1, 2011 10:42 AM MST up reply actions
Aaron Lopez of Nuggets.com reporting that Miller was first player in at voluntary workouts, but the second guy in … BIRDMAN!!!!!
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by Nate Timmons on Dec 1, 2011 10:50 AM MST up reply actions
Ha... that's impressive.
Like others, I’ll let the chips fall but it will sure be great to see some games again.
Like a snowplow machine!
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by Nate Timmons on Dec 1, 2011 11:19 AM MST up reply actions
"We'll find someone"
I had two seconds last night to chat with an exec for Kroenke Sports (he works more with the Rapids) about my fears that if we don’t sign Nene we are going to be screwed trying to get o the 85% minimum of the salary cap. He kinda brushed it off, “Oh, we’ll find someone”.
Uh…what?!? Are we going to just throw money at some journeymen players just to spend enough? Isn’t this exactly why the owners forced this lockout, to prevent them from making dumb moves like this?
In his defense the exec did say that he did not envy his co-workers in the Nuggets office. Having cap space can actually be bad, if there is nothing worth spending the money on.
A bunch of one year contracts isn't a bad thing
As long as they don’t hinder the rookie development. Also journeymen can be a good lockerroom presence.
If we aren’t making the playoffs, might as well hire some overpaid teachers to make sure our rookies develop well.
I still think our FO will make the right choice in this situation.
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Agreed
And as someone mentioned earlier, I hope Karl realizes this should be a “growing pains” year, and lets the young players play and develop. One-year contracts is unfortunately OK by me, with the understanding it is a temporary stage of a greater gameplan.
Add me to the list
Of those who aren’t worried. If we can get Nene and AAA back, we are a playoff team, but not a championship team. And if not, well, we have plenty of young talent to start building around.
I’m OK with having a rebuild year. They happen sometimes. And, if done right, is just a year.
Nothing wrong with hitting the lottery, maybe getting lucky and addressing some issues in the draft.
As someone’s handle once said, I’m not worried about the Nuggets. Don’t worry, Mr. Morton. P. sure I can get you some valium from my poor ol’ mum.
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make it a double
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 1, 2011 10:49 AM MST up reply actions
I'll be optimistic once I know the roster is set
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 1, 2011 10:55 AM MST up reply actions
Gotcha
BTW: Appreciate all your great reporting during the lockout.
I admit, I do not have the patience or the brain to follow stuff like revenue sharing, BRI, mid-level exemptions, etc. etc. Drives me crazy.
You and Nate and Andrew did a great job in explaining all this. Cheers.
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much appreciated my man. I didn't know I had the brain for it either when the lockout began
lol…just turned out that way.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 1, 2011 10:56 AM MST up reply actions
Rebuilding
It’s all good, but don’t do it with George Karl.
Start completely anew
A funny side note..
Funny how everyone is reporting that Howard, CP3 and D-Will will head an awesome free agent class next year. None of those guys are gonna be free agents. They will either do a sign-n-trade or sign an extension. No way the teams they have let them walk for nothing..
Cp3 and DWill have all but said they will walk.
Howard will be a sign and trade to the lakers for either Bynum and Odom or Gasol and a filler
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by The U.N. Fab Five on Dec 1, 2011 11:24 AM MST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Ugh... I don't do that deal if I'm Orlando
The Nets can offer Lopez (and whoever) and two first round picks in a very good draft
Plus they can take Turkoglue’s contract back.
Why would Orlando want either a broken down center or Gasol who’s play is already
on the decline. Teams want to rebuild through the draft, not another team’s waste.
Under the floor?
Does anyone know what would happen if the nuggets were under the minimum limit? Would it be similar to if we were over the limit???
All teams must be over the cap floor by the trade deadline
I’m not sure the penalty. Could be docked draft picks or fined. Dunno
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 1, 2011 11:22 AM MST up reply actions
Can't they just do what Sacramento did...?
And pay the difference to the rest of the roster?
heard that
they would have to pay prorated increases to rest of the roster as you suggest Nugzin
Should lead to a very happy roster.
The Kings ended up over the floor...
…due to the money they paid the players. It turned out to be a non-issue (a bit to my surprise).
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The cap floor stipulation will be interesting to see how it's worded
I think a team that doesnt meet the floor wound be fined. But the players on that roster would each receive what their % of the team’s payroll is. IE the highest paid player would get the biggest chunk.
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by The U.N. Fab Five on Dec 1, 2011 11:29 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Cap Floor
For some reason I thought a team below the cap floor would distribute the remaining salary to the players currently on the team. As long as that doesn’t impact what their future salaries are, I don’t see any reason to run out and sign a bunch of over priced players (even on 1 year contracts). And I don’t think the players would complain about the extra paycheck.
It would also maintain flexibility to trade for some other teams large contracts in exchange for first round pick(s).
So if Nene leaves..
and AAA stays, lets say at 7M a year, where would that leave us? What does our roster look like?
If Bird is our starting center, God help us all, and I don’t even believe in him.
Denver would still have around $10 million to $11 million to spend to reach the floor.
Nuggets need to spend $17M-$18M to hit cap floor.
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by Nate Timmons on Dec 1, 2011 11:24 AM MST up reply actions
So technically
we’d have to spend that money on the free agents whom are left? Or are there other options?
We could trade for someone.
Trade market is really buzzing.
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And being under the cap we wouldn’t necessarily have to give back equal salary ie: giving whatever team we trade with a big trade exception ( assuming that’s allowed in Cba)
Andrew sorta touched upon it in his piece,
and I read an article about it somewhere, but the fact that teams below the cap can now take 150% of salary back instead of 125% makes it a lot easier for teams that are under the cap to facilitate one-sided/salary dump deals.
In my opinion, however, it’d have to be a pretty good trade, with some picks involved, because we’d have to give up cap space that we could use in the 2012 FA instead.
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me too
something like Harrington for Lewis and their first rounder would be too good to pass up. could potentially have 2 top 10 or top 5 picks in the draft, that be sweet.
cant we just
redo contracts of players that we have some mixture of hope/confidence in? Ty, Gallo etc??
Moz will start at center with or with out nene.
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by The U.N. Fab Five on Dec 1, 2011 11:25 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
If Nene was here he would start at center....Karl just....
he seems to have trouble playing 7’ players
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 1, 2011 11:31 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok then who starts at PF hambergerlar?
I doubt that….if nene comes back he will make it a point that he is not playing center. If he’d be at center then Faried would be the only other option at PF. That wouldn’t be Karlisc to start a rookie.
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by The U.N. Fab Five on Dec 1, 2011 11:42 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe the Nuggets sign
Thaddeus Young to a front loaded contract? That gets them above the salary floor with a young, talented guy who can play both forward positions.
by mr. eggplant on Dec 1, 2011 12:51 PM MST up reply actions
Rumors of Josh Smith being out?
I wouldn’t mind getting him in return for Nene if we can get a pick or two as well (assuming Nene’s gone). It would solve our problem at PF and help us get nearer to that cap floor while still maintaining flexibility for the future.
Smoove isn’t someone we can build around, but I’ve always seen him as a guy that would fit great into the Nuggets system, athletic, high-flying, and likes to run.
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He would be a worthy replace men
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by The U.N. Fab Five on Dec 1, 2011 11:43 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I'm sure Feinstein would approve of that move
I think he advocated trading Melo for Smoove last season
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 1, 2011 11:43 AM MST up reply actions
And he's got enough tats already.
Sorry ha to say it
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by The U.N. Fab Five on Dec 1, 2011 11:45 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Josh Smith
Player most likey to come back from lockout looking like Shawn Kemp circa 1999.
I read that some place and it made me laugh.
Does this look like a man coming back like Shawn Kemp?
Say he’s lost 30 pounds.
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Holy shit!
Smith looks like he got serious about his basketball career during this overlong offseason. This could turn him into an even more dangerous high flyer. Let’s hope he jettisoned some of his up-and-down attitude along with all that weight. If so, let’s dress him up in powder blue!
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by LongWindedHank on Dec 1, 2011 5:02 PM MST up reply actions
It will be interesting to see what players get amnestied this next week.
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by The U.N. Fab Five on Dec 1, 2011 11:44 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Anyone know if we can sign-and-trade the guys that come back in March from China?
Obviously we’d have to see where we are at that point in the season, but with talks that Wilson is just going to ride out the season until he can be unrestricted in 2012 and that J.R. is shaky on coming back, we might be able to pick up some picks or a player or two for that stretch run, that is, if we’re allowed to.
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Kmart and JR are both unrestricted...so the Nuggets don't have their rights
They still retain Chandlers rights because he’s a restricted free agent…but he needs to sign an offer for him to be officially “on” the team
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 1, 2011 11:57 AM MST up reply actions
Can't you still sign-and-trade unrestricted FAs?
I thought the point was to get them that extra year? Although I suppose that’s mainly for players getting max contracts, but who knows, players always love to have that extra year guaranteed or that player option.
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If they are unrestricted their previous team, essentially, has no power over their rights
Which is why Nene is in such a good position right now. Nuggets can offer more money, but can’t direct a trade or keep Nene from going anywhere he wants
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 1, 2011 12:01 PM MST up reply actions
Who knows?
Maybe Nene will want to give something back to Denver and want a sign-and-trade.
OR, Nene will want to go to a team over the cap, forcing the S&T.
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I don't think we can trade them period
None of them are under contract with the team after all.
chandlers rights can be traded I believe
Smith and Martin are ufa’s but we still have Chandler’s rights due to the QO we offered
Alright here it goes
I’m going to the the pessimistic/realist fan. IMHO starting from the ownership and working my way back down i honestly am a bit worried this franchise may be irrelevant for a while. The rhetorical schema that the Kronke empire has illustrated to me suggests that the Nuggets will hover around the salary cap floor with a younger team for a while. To look at the Nuggets’ neighbors, the Avs for instance, were the best team in the NHL a decade ago. They slowly started to fall back to a top 10 team in the NHL the years to fllow until Joe Sakic, the most talented Av to ever lace them up retired. After that they fell below mediocracy and have been in a seirous rebuild mode that still has not panned out due to them being below .500 a third of the way through this years season. They have been working on bringing up young talent and have struggled to stay above the cap foor. They literally have a defenseman by the name of Matt Hunwick who is a healthy scratch every night, not even a tacos player, a healthy scratch on their roster because he makes 2 mil and they need his contract to stay above the floor. That to me does not show a passion for winning. Now this leads to the Nuggets and losing Melo, arguably the best Nuggets to ever lace em up and the direction the Nuggets are going. For starters, the Nuggets rarely draft in the frst round and typically when they do they end up trading the pick later with a few exceptions, hello Ty… for now. Anyways, this draft they not only traded for another 1st round pick but they used and kept both 1st round picks they made. This shows me they are serious about a rebuild and trying to secure some sort of raw talent for the future. Will this mean the Nuggets won’t spend until they construct an All Star from one of their own like they did Melo? I have no idea. According to how the Avs are run, yes that seems to be a major possibility. I hope this is not the scenario but i just have a feeling it will be. Even tho there is not a lot of talent out there thiis off season that would warrent a lot of cash being handed out with the exception of maybe a Marc Gasol who appears to be returning to Memphis, the next off season won’t be anything different either. It will be headlined by Chris Paul who will be going to New York and Dwight Howard who would most likely laugh at the possibilty of signing with Denver. It is how the NBA is construced now and unfortunately I don’t think teams that are built like the Nuggets are going to be able to compete with the mega teams. I think the Nuggets will have to wait until they strike gold again in the draft until they really are at the level they were previously. I hope im wrong but that’s how i see it for now.
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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 1, 2011 11:59 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Hey man
just a suggestion, and in no way am I being mean when I say this, just offering advice. Perhaps you should space out your paragraphs instead of making it one gigantic one? It would make it a lot easier to read, because looking at that thing is intimidating and I don’t know if I want to do it.
hahah
sorry man… my laptop is weird with this site… when i try PP sometimes it will work and sometimes it doesn’t when it doesn’t… sorry its just a habit that i don’t try anymore b/cit usually wouldn’t.
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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 1, 2011 12:09 PM MST up reply actions
but hey
I read it, and we have a good draft coming next off season, so perhaps we can get a major centerpiece in that draft? I think Gallo would make a great 2nd option, and we can get our main man in next years draft, or at least a good piece.
I suggest, start Moz, Faried, Gallo, AAA, and Lawson, have them play every game as best they can even though they won’t win much, and get a good piece in next years draft, hopefully a top 10 even top 5 pick?
that would be my approach
and the approach i see them taking
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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 1, 2011 12:20 PM MST up reply actions
During Kroenke's tenure with the Nuggets
He has always spent money, even during that 2002 rebuild season, he spent money to get Dre.
I don’t think he cares about hockey (like most f the nation) but he does love bball.
I think if Nene doesn’t re-sign he is planning for a 1 yr crappy season and obtain good players in the draft. The Nuggets chances lie on the strength of the 2012 draft and a lot of luck.
If I were the Nuggets I would pursue Nene &Gasol hard though. If we somehow ended up with both we would be fine. The frontline of Gasol Nene and Gallo would dominate all teams including Bynum Gasol sr and World peace.
I can easily see Gallo rising into stardom if he has those giants to play next to him. I play so much better when I have talented big guys playing next to me, and I think it will be the same for Gallo.
Man I have gotten optimistic again. Jeez sign these free agents already so I know what team I am rooting for
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by JR15 on Dec 1, 2011 12:16 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
i know man
that would be an awesome scenario but the fact of the matter is Nene wants out… he’s an emotional guy (on the court at least) and sometimes with those types of players once they feel “betrayed” your prob done for.. I think he ends up in Dallas. Gasol is going back to Memphis… Their ownership said they are about to pay the man nicely.
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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 1, 2011 12:22 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
Great post, and I enjoy your posts so far. No way we get Gasol, period. And I hope we get Nene, but if he wants out he is gone. Then the only hope we have is a sign and trade scenario.
BTW, if that is your girl in your profile pic…well done my friend!!
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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 2, 2011 11:43 AM MST up reply actions
Not new to Stiffs
I have followed this site since its original name – FireGeorgeKarl.com but I don’t post that often.
And yes, your lady is fly!
It is a risk
But I think overpaying for big guys is worth it b/c it can turn our potential stars into actual stars since defenses will have to worry about the hypothetical firepower of Nene and Gasol that will give Gallo plenty of room to operate.
Gallo never played with a legit big on NYK. Amare is a 3 who is out of position the way he plays.
If Gallo has guys who do the dirty work and don’t demand the ball all the time I think his game can rise.
I also agree with ACE that Moz may be very very good and we just dont know it yet. I think we have a lot of good options going forward and with the Lakers, Celtics, and Mavs on the downfall, 2012 may be the year to rise up.
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by JR15 on Dec 1, 2011 12:32 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Trust Me
Moz will soon make us forget Nene and his soft floaters around the rim. The guy is really talented and BIG! Let’s build around Moz, Gallo, Ty and AAA and quit whining. This forum has become so downtrodden since the Melo saga. We have some nice young players to watch grow and a great free agent and draft class ahead of us. We ate in good hands with Masai and Josh. Let’s get behind our young, hard working team. oKC should be our model. And they were knocking on the Finals door last year.
by ACEIII on Dec 1, 2011 9:16 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
yea but OKC has
Kevin Durant…. The nuggets don’t have anything close to that… and don’t say Gallo because hes not.
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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 2, 2011 11:44 AM MST up reply actions
So what are you saying?
That because OKC has the league’s leading scorer that the Nugs should overpsend on Nene? Perhaps the Nugs should just commit collective suicide because they don’t have Durant. (/snark)
by Ski Bum on Dec 2, 2011 12:31 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
no im not saying that
ACEII said OKC should be our model and i aid they have Durant and we have nothing close. Do i think we should give Nene a max contract? No. I don’t look at my other posts for my thoughts on what the Nuggets should do.
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I get tired of comparison with the Avs,
though I see why it’s tempting. I still would point out that when it counted they
spent all the money and captured two cups. How many team’s can say that?
I just feel it’s an apples to oranges comparison. The Nuggets are in a different
position with quality young players. Besides, I’m not anxious for them to blow
a lot of money on mediocrity.
but see
the Avs have promising young talent as well. Stastney (AAA) Duchene (Gallo), Elliot (Faried) etc and they still don’t spend money. Sure they will trade away draft picks (blows my mind) for a goalie that has great potential yet they won’t buy any players to help him out. They could have signed but Mike Ryder and Simon Gange for a combined 5 mil. That’s still sig under the cap but those are two left wingers who each have 8+ goals and 13+ points that the Avs are so desparately lacking and if they had them would be a much better team yet they won’t spend the cash. Will the Nuggets be that bad? Probably not but I don’t see them getting near the ceiling anytime soon.
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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 1, 2011 12:26 PM MST up reply actions
I'd agree with you
if the post mello Nugs didnt go 18 – 7, whip most teams’ behinds, lost a few games at end because we werent playing our guys (could have went 20 – 5).
Sorry but that gives me hope.
Funny, the .500 post trade Knicks are expressing all kinds of hope while we are pessimistic
Dont get it.
that was with
JK Kenyon and Wilson Chandler as well as Felton… this is going to be a completely different team, different build. The Nuggets were good because they had one of the deepest teams in the league… they lost quite a few of those players.
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True but
J.R. can be replaced, no? Maybe Hamilton can slide in.
Wilson? I love Will. He might be back. But seriously, he was injured and inconsistent with the Nuggets. Also I kind of think that the Manimal might be able to take some of Will’s minutes and unlike Will, not have one eye on the EXIT door.
Thank God Felton is gone. Had some good moments but he was a shadow over Ty and quite frankly is too impressed with own game. Good riddance to him.
AAA was useless just about the entire post Mello phase because of his injury. He should be back, no?
Gallo, cross your fingers, will be back at full strength. That damn toe!
Mozgov should contribute. Dont know exactly how but he’s coming on, slowly, surely.
And this might sound crazy, but I like Forbes. I know he was deep sixed for much of last year but he could be a productive 9th man.
Add to that, that Harrington should be off the team or relegated to end of bench. Addition by subtraction.
I think we look deeper than last year as long as we are not decimated by injuries.
But you want to know what the real key was to the Nuggets success after the trade?
NO MELLO!!!! That’s right. The huge addition by subtraction was NO MELLO.
Think about it, while we lost a “superstar” (I’m giggling here), while the players we got in return were spotty and often injured, we still looked very good. Why? What happened?
Explain it.
NO MELLO!!!
No team can play team ball with Mello on the squad. Cant be done.
He stops the ball movement with his offensive game (no pun intended, just worked out that way) and he cant, wont, play defense. Frankly I dont think he can play defense because he IS NOT ATHLETIC and is often overweight, an often neglected NBA secret.
Other non-athletics know how to play team defense and so are not liabilities. Think Steve Nash. Mello has no clue how to play team defense.
The Nugget post trade success was not due to scoring more but rather to improving about 10 (!!!) ppg on defense. We gave up about less than 10 ppg after Mello? Why?
NO MELLO!
well
Chandler and JR combined for 25 a game if not more and that’s like a team losing a 25 ppg guy because most teams don’t have 2 SG as good as AAA JR and Ill Will let alone 3. Losing both hurts, however if the Nuggets can find a way to ign Nick Young I would not be worried about that. I agree losing Melo helps however it is clear the most desirable markets are forming mega teams. Miami, New York, soon to be LA Clippers, LA Lakers etc all have mega teams and it will be very hard beating a team featuring Wade/Bron/Bosh or Melo/Amare/Paul or D-Will/Griffin/Howard? I mean come on now. The Nuggets used to think the Lakers were hard enough… look at those freakish teams. If Faried or Hamilton or even Ty or Gallo emerge into some superstar and stay loyal to Denver, then they will have a shot to go out and spend all this money on big names that many of you suggest like Gasol etc. If a player is offered multiple max contracts Denver simply won’t have a chance at signing them unless they get a chance at forming some mega team. we will see what happens but this team will need to build thru drafts.
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good points especially
with the reality that some teams will be formed a la the Heat and be Super Teams.
Two problems with this thinking
1) Only one ball. Chemistry is as important as getting individual pieces. The Knicks will help selves with a Chris Paul but Mello will just eat away at their cap space and poison their comraderie
2) Players will not only form good teams but will actually elect to play with their best buds, a recipe for disaster Look, if the best and second best players combine (LBJ and DeeWade) then you got something.
But the other rotating so-called stars arent going to effect the balance of the league like LBJs moving.
Also, yes Nasty we seem to have lost 25 ppg but not really. Think of it this way, when the Nugs were forced to trade Mello, the Nugs lost 25 ppg. No drop off on offense and greta improvement on dee. And dont get me started again on how more cohesive and spirited we werte after Mello
Hey, I’ve got 100 questions about our Nugs but what I saw last year gives me lots of hope too.
Karl and rookies
I don’t have stats, and it did seem in the past Karl liked veterans. But it seemed to me that last year Ty and Forbes got a lot of minutes from a guy who likes veterans. Just sayin, that subjectively, it seems Karl has loosened up on the veteran/non-veteran thing.
Absolutely, he's a whole different guy and coach from twenty years ago.
He just wants to coach and do what’s best which may mean playing younger guys, and yes he’s capable.
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by NastyNessy71 on Dec 1, 2011 12:38 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Please Bird
keep the ink away from the face, keep the ink away from the face . . .
by JTR on Dec 1, 2011 4:49 PM MST up reply actions
yeah, I have nothing against tats for other people
but Birdman looks like a suspect in a cold case
Just saying.
OH SWEET JUSTICE
So the rumors are flying. CP3 wants to play with Dwight. CP3 wants to be traded to NY.
The Knicks reportedly interested. Having Melo and Amare on the same team may not
work so well, so if they traded Melo for CP3 they might be better off.
HAHAHAHA
this would make me so happy
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Putting aside the schadenfreude...
… I’d hate to have Melo on a team in our division.
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I'd love it.
Especially if it was a struggling team that we could curb stomp 4 times a year.
The Knick could get a lot better if
They got Chris Paul who will be Amare’s Steve Nash. But they have to send Mello back to Syracuse who could really use a distraction right now.
That would be awesome to send melo to hornet hell
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by The U.N. Fab Five on Dec 2, 2011 6:58 AM MST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I have a feeling
Nene is going to be w/ the Heat by start of the year
Dickie V on the OSU/Duke broadcast was going on about Heat winning it all this year, his theory was they’d find a center to team up w/ the other 3, Nene came to mind right away…..boo.
I’m really down on the NBA since all the drama last year w/ MElo and the lockout. Seems like Denver is the major markets minor leauge and it’s starting to get annoying!
Release the Tebow!
by NewEraNugg on Dec 1, 2011 1:07 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
But I thought
the main concern with Nene is having to play center, which he would HAVE to do on the heat
Time to go all in
When I look at all the scenarios, how many of them sound all that attractive? It is my opinion that we amnesty Harrington to free up more cap room, then try to sign Nene and Gasol to highly front loaded deals that would be hard for anyone else to match.
There just isn’t many opportunities to sign 2 out of the best 5 centers in the league.
I know we would ruin our cap space and flexibility, but lets be honest, what other marquee free agents are coming here in the next few years? I know the draft is loaded but how many top 10 picks are busts? We’ll only be locked into these contracts for 4 years, at that point we can think about a true rebuild. Plus Nene and Gasol will always be tradeable commodities.
While we have cap space and young talent, lets make a play for the championship. I say the time is now.
Isn't Gasol restricted?
Memphis has plenty of cap space to match anything we offer. I donn’t think there’s a chance he leaves Memphis unfortunately
by RoxWS2014 on Dec 1, 2011 1:16 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Would we accept a sign and trade of Nene for Chris Bosh?
It’s something to think about…
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Don't think Bosh would like it here.
Really think he is the sort of primadonna NBA superstar that I just don’t want to bother with on the Nuggets. I think GK would agree.
Is an interesting thought. But I don’t think there has been any rumors about him being on the block.
Cheers.
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Bosh likes the attention
Stated one of the reasons he picked Miami is that he got more media attention then he ever got in Toronto. Can’t imagine Miami dealing out Bosh. Wouldn’t set well at all with LeBron or Wade.
I can’t imagine the NBA trading CP3 for the Knicks scraps. Bet he gets traded to the Clippers.
but in reality
Denver has a great fan base, the market is not as big but Bosh is not that big of a star anymore. He is still a star but he’s in Wade and Bron’s shadow. Denver would almost be the perfect type of market for a player like Bosh… do I want him? Not so much but it would be interesting. Would allow Miami to amnesty Miller and sign Tyson Chandler with the MLE to form a Chandler/Nene with Wade and Bron… that’s pretty nasty on both ends of the court.
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however
this talk of a possible Paul/Howard/Griffin trio for the Clips that could challenge the Lakers and the Heat.
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The only way Nene is going to the Heat unless he accepts an MLE
Is if we do an S&T for Bosh. It’s the only way salaries work out. I don’t see Nene going there, but I saw one of those Heat Index writers saying that is the only way Nene goes to the Heat
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by JR15 on Dec 1, 2011 1:43 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
You decide.
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While I like Gasol....getting him would require George Karl to change his entire offense
I don’t think that would happen. Karl and true big men don’t seem to be compatible.
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I seriously believe one of the reasons we didn’t go for the NJ trade for Melo last year is because Karl didn’t like Favors. But we will never know.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 1, 2011 1:23 PM MST up reply actions
Seriously, this could be fun...
Because the league owns the Hornets, because the best deals may be out there right now but not later, some believe that both CP3 and D.Howard may be traded quickly.
Chris Paul is steadily increasing my dislike for him
How can he really get traded to the Knicks? They have NOTHING to give in return for him. Also, think about it, between him, Amare and Melo, their pretty much maxed out on salary. If it happens it would be Melo, Amare, CP and 10 minimum scrubs…..that might be fun to watch but I doubt they would win very often
I love how Melo is trying to pretend like he didn't talk to him
Just like Amare did with Melo. I thought the CBA would take care of this…hope the Knicks get docked draft picks for the next 5 years.
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by JR15 on Dec 1, 2011 3:00 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Except the 2014 pick
That belongs to us and will be useful when Amare blows his knee and Melo gets really fat.
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by JR15 on Dec 1, 2011 3:01 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
But especially
if Amare blows his knee and Melo gets fat
The whole Chris Paul thing reminds me way too much of the 'Melo situation
Looking at At The Hive, it’s exactly the same thing. Stories about what may or may not have happened, people denying different reports, the star wanting to be traded but faking loyalty to who his teammates are at that point. Lots of chaos in the commenting talking about everything BUT basketball coming back.
I’m glad we’re on the other side of all of that. I don’t envy New Orleans’ fanbase right now at all.
The biggest difference is that we got all of the Knicks’ tradeable pieces in the Melo trade, so now New Orleans would be forced to get another team involved.
All it needs is a Russian billionaire to sweep in and try to pull Paul to another team, and it would be perfect.
Do the Knicks have their 2012 and 2013 picks?
That’s all they would have, and what the Hornets will have to take if they want anything for CP3.
Not sure we are doing much different
With the Nene drama
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So, my guess is Paul is traded to the worlds largest media market sooner rather than later.
by ACEIII on Dec 1, 2011 9:07 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I’m guessing he doesn’t like the basketball on his hands.
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CNNSI is picking up these articles under “Pickaxe & Roll”?
Doesn’t seem right.
Hey, my old site ... right here on SB Nation! haha
They need to get an update.
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Shoutout to Tom Ziller at Sactown Royalty,
came up with this hilarious point on the amnesty:
Cross your fingers that all of these teams claiming they won’t be waiving players are lying; otherwise, welcome to the Travis Outlaw lottery.
But what I found REALLY interesting was this:
There’s also the possibility to beef up 2011-12 salaries for incumbent Kings who will become unrestricted free agents in July; that list of players currently stands at . If the Kings trade for a player who can become a 2012 free agent and isn’t already at the player max, that player could have their 2011-12 salary boosted to help the Kings reach the minimum while saving cap space down the road.
Obviously, we’re not the Kings, but the idea stands. Opens up a lot of options if this is the case.
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what would be the status of Chandler next year?
would he become a free agent if he reports to nuggets in march?
We Blew It With Melo ...
I thought I read somewhere that Melo could have been offered an extension in the summer of 2009, right after we made it to the Western Conference Finals. I was thinking then, there’s no better time to offer him that extension when, for once, the Nuggets ended the season on a high (even though we didn’t win the Championship). I just wonder if he would have taken that deal with the Nugs had it been offered then because I remember him coming back the next season and really being motivated at the beginning of the year to try to win a Championship since the Nugs were so close only months before. I almost think he would have taken it. Too bad we won’t ever know. Too bad the Management waited until the summer of 2010 after the Nugs lost again in round 1. Hmmmmm….
Who's this guy again?
Carmela? Caramell? CaramellDansen?
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It is true Melo asked for an extension in 2009...
He publicly said it right after the series with the Lakers. Oh well. Spilled milk at this point.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 1, 2011 10:21 PM MST up reply actions
Who knows
Everyone here said Melo would never bring us a ship so maybe it is better that we separated.
I still think this draft thing is going to be tough, but I will stand tough with the Nugs. I joined when Melo was here, but I have seen every single game for the past 9 years so I think I am hardcore enough now to survive through this rough patch.
Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'
by JR15 on Dec 1, 2011 10:49 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
By the way.
Anyone looking at Roy?
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