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NBA fans got screwed a long time ago...

Now that NBA commissioner David Stern has officially cancelled the first two weeks of the 2011-12 season, the common reaction I'm seeing from fans and fellow bloggers is that the fans are suddenly getting "screwed" in all this. I have news for you: the fans got screwed a long time ago.

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From the dawn of the NBA lockout throughout the lockout itself, I have held to the mantra that NBA players - on average - make way too much money. This doesn't mean I'm siding with the owners in all this, because I'm not, but until a dramatic change takes place in average player salaries the NBA remains virtually inaccessible in a live form to the true basketball fan. And that's bad for the sport and the sport's long-term ambitions.

Lost in all the hullabaloo over basketball-related income, hard versus soft salary caps and player exemptions is the fact that the NBA has priced the true basketball fan out of its arenas and has done so for more than a decade now. As hyper-competitive owners made more and more bad deals to overpay for more and more bad players, someone had to foot the bill in the form of increased ticket prices.  

For a while, that bill was paid by fans like you and me. Basketball-obsessed with a social calendar that comes second to the NBA schedule. But at some point, the prices got too high, our televisions got too good and we vacated the building altogether. I can't tell you how many Nuggets fans I speak with on a regular basis who say "I used to have tickets" or "I used to go to 20 games a year" or (in the case of my parents, season-ticket holders for over 30 years) "I used to have two tickets to every game and now I only have two tickets to 10 games".

The operative word being "used to."

In our wake came the corporations who gobbled up most of the good seats and all the luxury boxes. In our wake came the rich guy who brings his trophy girlfriend to the Lakers game and pays top dollar to a scalper to be there. In our wake came the seats given away to team sponsors and clients. And as a result, the NBA has had to adapt and market to that group - i.e. non-basketball fans.

The collateral damage from all this has been evident for more than a decade now: male cheerleaders, annoying mascots, night club music so loud that you can't hear yourself think, Snuggies being tossed into the stands, female escorts (read: hookers) taking up otherwise good seats, jingling key promotions, a public address announcer screaming into the microphone while pretending he's a rapper, America's Funniest Home Videos on the Jumbotron instead of basketball highlights, and so on. 

And making matters worse, because NBA teams are so desperate to sell luxury boxes to those corporations and sponsors, stadiums have been (poorly) designed to push a bulk of those would-be regular fan seats far above the boxes. And thus, it's not worth seeing the game in person from an affordable seat! (Call me a snob, but I'd rather watch a Nuggets game on my giant flat screen television than from any seat above the luxury boxes at Pepsi Center.)

Nevermind the fact the NBA's antiquated, ineffective "revenue sharing" system all but ensures that 75% of the teams have no shot to win a championship whatsoever. Hence why nine franchises have claimed a ring since 1980 with just two - San Antonio and Detroit - not included in the country's top-ten in terms of metropolitan statistical area.

So as you can see, the fans got screwed a long time before David Stern shut down his sport for a few weeks in November.

I'm clearly naive, but I was hoping that this lockout would fix a lot of this. I was hoping that the lockout would bring about a sense of reality among the owners and the players and bring true basketball fans back to NBA arenas instead of leaving them at home in front of their television sets. But clearly that's not the case here.

I'm the last person to begrudge a fellow businessman from making a handsome profit. If the Nuggets can charge hundreds of dollars for a seat and fill the arena every night, I say go for it. Average basketball fans be damned.

But the ugly truth is that they can't. Just like 20 or so other NBA cities can't. And the owners know it. The official attendance numbers are phony as anyone who sat in an NBA arena not located in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, Miami, Oklahoma City, Portland or San Antonio last season will tell you. And as soon as the Thunder, Blazers and Spurs suck again - and they will - their barns will be as half-filled as those seen in Indianapolis, Milwaukee and Sacramento. There simply isn't enough money in the average NBA marketplace to fill NBA buildings in the manner that is needed to cover exorbitant player salaries. But rather than focus on an economic model that brings basketball die-hards into NBA arenas every night, the owners and players are squabbling over a losing hand.

When/if the NBA resumes, I guarantee that the Kenyon Martins of the league will still be grossly overpaid, the LeBron Jameses (a player who actually has a positive impact on his local economy) will be grossly underpaid and NBA tickets will remain grossly overpriced. There won't be a reasonable revenue-sharing system that ensures better competition among all 30 NBA markets, and NBA games will still feel like a Lady Gaga concert during which a basketball game happens to break out.

The fans have been, are getting and will continue to get screwed. That's just the way it is.

So when/if the lockout ends, the question then should be ... if nothing changes, will suckers like me still pay to be there? Will we just stay at home and watch the games on television? Or will we no longer support the sport at all?

Maybe this is what David Stern, his fellow owners and NBA players should be spending the next few weeks thinking about.

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by NugNugz on Oct 11, 2011 1:22 PM MDT reply actions  

"NBA tickets will remain grossly overpriced"

Agreed 100%!!!

Wow this article really hit on points I have thought about for a loooooooooong time.

NBA doesn’t give a **** about the true fan, they only care about money.

Back in the days the game was pure, it was about something real, it was about BASKETBALL. Now? It’s a soap opera of epic proportions (see: the ‘decision’) in order to generate views/page hits. Reminds me of WWF b.s.

Nowadays I absolutely refuse to give even a single penny to the NBA since they obviously don’t care about me or my money.

If I’m at a friends house I’ll watch a game. But if I never saw another game in my life due to outrageous prices? I’d be fine…

by ap3604 on Oct 11, 2011 2:04 PM MDT reply actions  

Adjusted for inflation......

In the mid 1980’s I had New York Knicks season tickets a few rows behind the visitor’s bench. The cost was $16 per ticket. Adjusted for inflation today, it would be about $34.

A similar seat at a Nuggets game would be $141 per ticket for the season. The Nuggets rank somewhere in the lower half of the league in average ticket prices. Based on the new configuration of Madison Square Garden, my season tickets would either be $350 or $675 per ticket (it is difficult to tell with the seating chart). I couldn’t imagine paying those prices to see a regular season NBA game.

The NBA as a product hasn’t improved that much in 25 years, however the hype has dramatically increased. I would take Bernard King, Patrick Ewing, Bill Cartwright, Gerald Wilkins, Trent Tucker, Louis Orr, etc. over Melo, Amare and the rest of the current Knicks at any point.

by JackBrewster on Oct 11, 2011 2:35 PM MDT reply actions  

Jack, you must have been

living my life in the 1970s, in your 1980s. I mean, I had the exact same experiences in the 70s that you had in the 80s.

I cannot get myself presently to pay for even 1 ticket to one Knick game. I would not enjoy the game knowing I just shelled out $400. I am a respectable employed middle ager and I still cant get myself to Madison Square Garden.

Yet as a struggling high schooler and later collegiate in the 70s, I attended dozens of games and payed for my younger brothers too.

I know things change. I get it. I welcome much of it. But something is wrong when I cant get myself to a game in the last roughly 30 years.

And I do fondly remember the old Knicks you cited and though Frazier is my all time BB idol, B King is very very close.

For my fellow NYers to get to watch Melo when I got to root for the incomparable BKing, well, I feel bad for the younger NY fans.

And Andrew, your words were just about ripped from my heart but penned much more eloquently and temperately than mine would have been. Kudos.

For me the real issue with the bargaining is that neither side is going to say, what could we do for the avg Joe fan, the majority of the fan base. That’ll happen when monkeys fly out off (insert orifice of choice here).

I trust players and owners will all do OK for themselves. Owners that are actually losing money, will not and cannot allow that to continue. So I feel that what has to happen is that players have to look at the dilemna those owners are in and adjust demands accordingly.

However, the real responsibility here lies with the owners turning huge markets. frankly, the underbelly of the this conflict is still the conflict and needs of the owners.

Players have to give something back, richer owners have to share with struggling ones. If all factions could give back even more maybe that will drip down to us peasants. Anybody wanna bet?

by sgiustra on Oct 11, 2011 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

They do give back.

//Sarcasm// The NBA cares. Or have you not seen those commercials?

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by JustGotStiff'd on Oct 12, 2011 6:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

but in all honesty...

im one of the chumps who will be spending dough on the nuggs/nba as soon as they resume.

glutton for punishment.

by calvin brodus on Oct 11, 2011 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Its too bad there can't be a more comprehensive league wide TV deal that would be shared with all the teams.

then ticket prices could be reduced. NOT GONNA HAPPEN obviously, but in a perfect world there has to be a different route to take in getting tickets more reasonably priced. The problem with NOT going to the games to avoid the inflated ticket prices and just staying home to watch on TV is that not all the games are easily accessible in every market (unless you buy the NBA league pass package for several hundred dollars…)

by InboundingLobPass on Oct 11, 2011 4:05 PM MDT reply actions  

That's what I've been thinking

Look at how successful the NFL model is?

by JBnuggs on Oct 11, 2011 5:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great article Andy!!

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by Jeffrey Morton on Oct 11, 2011 5:09 PM MDT reply actions  

"Guys who paid $500 per ticket pay the same for parking and concessions as the guys who paid for the cheapest tickets."

That’s mighty good stuff. Thanks.

As for your list (which is plenty entertaining and somewhat accurate), haven’t the players negotiated in good faith and been fairly willing to move? Not sure we can say the same for the owners. Of course, I’m not involved, so I can’t be certain what the dynamics actually are.

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by LongWindedHank on Oct 11, 2011 8:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

haven’t the players negotiated in good faith and been fairly willing to move?

Depends on what you think is in good faith. And actually the owners did soften their stances too. They conceded somethings and even offered 50% up from their 47% demand. So each side has moved a little, but both sides know they haven’t moved enough to compel the other side to soften their stance any. This really is both the players and owners faults. The owners are at fault for spending wildly. But they are now trying to put measures in place to make sure they can’t make the same mistakes. Unfortunately the players don’t really want the owners to fix their problems. The players want the owners to have the ability to go crazy with their spending. Anybody that tries to point the blame on just one side isn’t looking at the situation fairly.

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by ukneeq on Oct 12, 2011 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've made no secret of my siding with the employees

First off, aren’t we pretty sure my original comment was an attempt to give the owners the benefit of the doubt? Didn’t I say I’m not at the table and thus can’t be sure what the positions actually are?

But now let’s dispense with the rhetorical devices and get right to the nitty gritty. Please, Fedil, spare us the nonsense about the owners’ softening. Let’s be clear: the previously existing Collective Bargaining Agreement was just that—a negotiated agreement. Do we actually need to belabor the FACT that team owners are attempting to DRASTICALLY REDUCE the incomes and future earning potential of their employees by LOCKING THEM OUT, and now by taking away their paychecks? That they have proven willing to do and say most anything in order to break the players?

After months of negotiating, the owners suddenly stated that unless the players were willing to accept a 50-50 split in revenue, they wouldn’t even come back to the table. That’s not negotiating in good faith. Sure, they relented after their bluff was called, but they still looked like the assholes they are.

The players well understand that the CBA must change—and not in the players’ favor. They’ve continually negotiated with that as a fait accompli. It’s the owners who appear to be at the table just because they need to look like they’re playing the game by the rules. They even want the players to take the hit for all their past sins, up to and including not allowing enhanced revenue sharing, which has to be part of this clean-up, to be part of any new agreement. Give us a break.

And thanks for the link to your blog. I encourage all Stiffs to take a quick peek at the cleavage, the makeup and the invitation to Pimps-and Hos-themed Halloween Party (does it only objectify women, or is it also racist? you be da judge!), not to mention the post that addresses the labor situation: http://fedil.ukneeq.com/2011/07/07/fans-should-boycott-the-sporting-leagues-that-have-strikeslockouts/

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by LongWindedHank on Oct 12, 2011 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

It may sound like a democrat

The bit about what guys who paid for the tickets but the point is that they are calculating that the people who come to the games can afford expensive tickets so they can afford expensive parking and concessions. The last time I went to a game, the light rail was loaded with guys who didn’t want to pay for parking. They still had to pay for concessions based on a price point beyond what they would normally pay. That’s assuming they are going to buy concessions and a lot of people have a scedule that prevents them from getting a meal before they get to the game so they aren’t going to be too restrained in that area. Don’t get me started about the price of memorabilia. You don’t see any replica jerseys at my house much less the authentics.

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by Thursty on Oct 12, 2011 6:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Democrat? How about sensible?

It’s pretty obvious that not everyone who can scrape up the ticket price can also afford to eat, drink, buy merchandise and be merry at wildly inflated prices. If we were discussing how expensive city-street parking charges are (as in another public tax), we’d call them REGRESSIVE. If everyone pays the same tax, the tax has a much greater impact on those who make significantly less money—to the point that it affects who can and will go places where and when and how. Those with much more money get to drive (and thus pollute and so on) at their pleasure while others are more restricted in their movements.

It seems like your point is that there was a time when professional sporting events weren’t only for the rich and upper middle class. That has little to do with being a Democrat or Republican (I’m neither), and everything to do with a sober analysis of wealth distribution.

Of course, pro sports and who can attend is just one tiny piece of analysis of where our society is headed. The disparity between the top and the bottom has become massive in this country, the worst of any industrialized nation. And the middle is shrinking like crazy. Again, it matters not what political party one belongs to (if any); these are the FACTS.

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by LongWindedHank on Oct 13, 2011 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks so much for saying the things so many fans are thinking

Here’s hoping Denver sports fans appreciate what they have in Andrew Feinstein and the Denver Stiffs blog. I sure as hell do. (Nate Timmons and Jeffrey Morton, too!)

One of the saddest and most confounding things about how Stern and the owners have conducted the NBA is the close-to-universally-accepted notion that it saved the league. Turning pro ball into a glittery-and-loud spectacle (“a Lady Gaga concert during which a basketball game happens to break out,” as Andy nails it) put butts back into seats after interest had waned due to… We all know this stuff, so I won’t belabor it.

And that’s only one of the many things a lot of fans must ignore in order to watch the actual sporting competition. Ugh. I still want it back, though.

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by LongWindedHank on Oct 11, 2011 6:46 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

great article!!!

I think the trend in the NBA is kind of a microcosm of America over the past few years. Capitalism is king, and when you allow supply and and demand forces to run wild in the sports world this is the result. Average fans get screwed, and only the privileged can afford the product.

The rich get richer, the poor get poorer, and the middle class disappears. In the NBA we have rich owners and teams that do great, and we have everyone else who struggles to stay alive. Andy pointed out that rich owners can and will operate in this environment. Unfortunately, most other small markets can’t. The sad thing is, I don’t see this getting any better. For the NBA to make the changes needed to be more like the NFL, we would have to endure at least a year long lockout. Maybe two years.

Players aren’t going to budge, but if 18 out of 30 teams are losing money then neither will the owners. I don’t really blame Stern for this lockout. He represents the owners and the majority of the owners lose money. They had to put their foot down…

by smoil on Oct 11, 2011 7:21 PM MDT via iPhone app reply actions  

Honestly

as every day goes by with Stern and his bull shit I lose more and more interest for the NBA. It is just annoying at this point and I really don’t know where I will stand once basketball is played again. I think the officiating is far too biased for all star players, I think the league is politically corupt and honestly the lock out is just icing on the cake. I hope when this is resloved there are many improvements made or else I may lose all my interest in the NBA.

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by NastyNessy71 on Oct 11, 2011 8:02 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

And this Melo Ad

on the background of SB makes it even worse.

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by NastyNessy71 on Oct 11, 2011 10:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fantastic article

So right on so many levels. I love basketball. But I’ve been souring on the NBA for a long time. This lockout just seals my contempt.

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by Fly Agaric on Oct 11, 2011 8:24 PM MDT reply actions  

Wow... great write-up followd by a parade of great comments.

Only thing I can think to add….
I’ve wondered IF they could reset the game’s costs, so that more (real) fans could afford a seat, if everybody wouldn’t be better off, including the players and owners.

BTW, I wouldn’t presume to know whether “escorts” are big fans or not. Shows (me) my
level of naivete, though.

by TakeFive on Oct 12, 2011 12:10 AM MDT reply actions  

End the Fed

I vote C (no longer support the sport at all). Who needs bread and circuses. Do something worthwhile. – End the Fed! (BTW, that will even fix this problem)

by Angusontap on Oct 12, 2011 11:20 AM MDT reply actions  

I still want to watch it on TV

So I am really getting screwed by the lockout. These days TV is more enjoyable to watch than being at the game anyway.

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by JR15 on Oct 12, 2011 11:24 AM MDT reply actions  

Great work Andrew

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by chantech on Oct 12, 2011 12:23 PM MDT reply actions  

We are also to blame

One effect of maintaining a soft cap is that teams will continue to overspend for players. As long as there is not a hard ceiling, fans will continue to expect the owner to shell out any amount of money to bring in talent, even if that talent is not worth the money. How many people here begged Stan to spend the Mid-Level exception every year to bring in some marginal improvement, that really doesn’t make the team better (ie. Al Harrington even tough Al is not what everyone was begging for). How many people said they didn’t care if Stan lost money as long as we thought everything was being done to bring a Championship to Denver.

Maybe we’ve (Denver Stiffs, and all other true fan bases) have learning our lesson and realize that Denver is not LA, and have to be smart about their salaries, even if it means we lose out on the next over payed player.

by jbmmlang on Oct 12, 2011 2:34 PM MDT reply actions  

MoneyBall

It’s time for mid-market teams like Denver to set ticket prices at a reasonable rate and show restraint on player salaries. I have thought all along that this labor battle is really a between the large market teams and the mid-markets. If the owners can agree on a reasonable revenue sharing deal among the teams, like the NFL has, it would put in place a system where the large markets don’t have such a huge advantage. To me, it’s the owners who have to agree in what kind of League the NBA is going to be.

by ACEIII on Oct 13, 2011 8:20 AM MDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

I Don't Like It Either

but ISTM to be a smart marketing plan by Stern and the NBA.

Many of these non-basketball fans would not bother watching the game at home or at a friends but they will go to the arena and pay higher prices to do so.

On the other hand history as shown that the die-hard fan will watch the game on TV if they can’t go to see the game in person. This is evidenced by the huge Network TV and in some cases large local TV contracts that the NBA has landed.

The whole idea is to market the NBA so that

1. The non fan or casual fan will come to arena because they won’t watch the NBA on TV
2. Push the serious fan to watching games on TV in order to drive up the TV ratings and increase the size of the NBA television contracts.

by Buddahfan on Oct 17, 2011 12:57 PM MDT reply actions  

Competitive balance signs lacking

On point, excellent article, Andrew. My thoughts exactly about not wanting to watch a Nuggets game from higher than the suites/Club level or 300 level… I admit I’m a basketball live action snob, but unlike football and hockey where midlevel seats are best, closer is king in basketball.

As a split-season ticket holder, right now I’m feeling a withdrawal from the Nuggs on an emotional and physical level. I’m angry at the greedy players and stupid owners, but disappointed too that the lockout (no matter how long it goes) may not even spawn a competitive balance in the NBA. My money is in KSE’s pockets and sure I’ll get it back with interest after the lockout. However, more and more, I feel like a sucker who keeps falling for the same girl after being led to believe like we (Nuggets fans) have a chance at a NBA Championship. Like the players say, if you don’t believe you have a chance for glory, why are you suiting up in the first place? Without competitive balance in the league, we will still have to sit through and pay the same ticket prices for the likes of Sac, Indy, Minny, GoldenSt, Atlanta, New Jersey, Houston, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Detroit, et al games. Ugghh.

I liked the Carmelo trade for the Nuggets’ sake after I had time to digest the bad apple that Carmelo was, and that there is life after Smooth with Ty. I like the new guys, but probably feel like Nene does in regards to re-signing with the Nuggs… who am I going to play with (or see on the court)?

If we do have a season (and I think it will be a shortened 45-50 game one that starts Jan 2012), I will still use my original criteria for renewing my season tickets: If the Nuggets make the playoffs, then I will renew. If they don’t, all bets are off and I will evaluate if renewing makes sense for my money, family time and entertainment dollars. It will be interesting to see how many people (or season ticket holders) will put up with this nonsense for 2012-2013. I only wish that we could get an interview or discussion time with Masai or Josh (or in our dreams… Billy Hunter or Derek Fisher) during this lockout to tell them what we really think and get their feedback.

by timoptic on Oct 17, 2011 1:46 PM MDT reply actions  

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