And by the way, we still need a general manager...
Lost in the kerfuffle over the "will-or-won't Carmelo Anthony stay in Denver?" fiasco may be a story of greater impact to Nuggets fans and the future of the franchise. That being we still need a general manager...
How does this sound for a job description for the Nuggets open general manager position?
You'll be responsible for re-shaping the future of an NBA franchise whose best player may or may not want to stay in town (despite being offered a $65 million extension), whose collective player salaries for 2010-11 exceed the luxury tax line by more than $6 million, whose star point guard is nearing 34 years old, whose head coach and coaching staff are on a one-season contract, whose best bench player is alleged to be on the trading block already and whose roster may have as many as 10 vacancies entering the 2012-13 season.
But while this might sound like a job that would send any sane person running for the hills, becoming the Nuggets next GM actually offers much promise. Lest we forget that the Nuggets are just a year and three months removed from almost appearing in the NBA Finals. And, notably, are just seven or so months removed from being the second-best team in the Western Conference. In fact, the Nuggets were so good in early February that they were able to beat the Lakers in Los Angeles without Carmelo Anthony. Additionally, after Kenyon Martin's onerous contract expires at the conclusion of this upcoming season, the Nuggets will have the cap space flexibility to bring in decent players to surround their quality young players with.
And thus, whomever steps into the GM position is faced immediately with a daunting decision to make. Do you a) keep Melo in Denver for the remainder of the 2010-11 season, hope the team gets off to a great start, hope a trade presents itself to improve the team along the way and push for an NBA Finals appearance with essentially the same team that got you on the doorstep of the Finals in 2009? Or do you b) get what you can for Melo now that the Nuggets have some leverage, let Kenyon Martin's and Chauncey Billups' contracts expire at season's end and start rebuilding for the future?
This decision will have to be made by one of the following names mentioned below, with final say landing in the office of Nuggets owners Stan and Josh Kroenke (the younger Kroenke reportedly met with Melo in Baltimore today to discuss the star's future in Denver).
The question for us, Nuggets fans, is who would we hire? (I've created a poll here if you'd like to participate.)
David Griffin (pictured above)
Griffin's name has been most discussed as the frontrunner for the Nuggets vacant GM position, but we've heard nothing about an imminent signing of Griffin for over a week now. Should Griffin join the Nuggets, he'd be coming by way of Phoenix where he spent 13 years in the Suns organization co-building and managing a franchise that routinely made the playoffs and played in the conference finals during his tenure.
On Griffin's watch, the Suns stealthily nabbed Shawn Marion and Amar'e Stoudemire late in the lottery, brought in quality role players like Jared Dudley, Channing Frye, Robin Lopez, Grant Hill, Raja Bell, Goran Dragic, Leandro Barbosa, Boris Diaw and Louis Amundson. Akin to what the recently departed Mark Warkentien did in Denver, Griffin has been able to find deals where others haven't.
Knowing Griffin may soon become the Nuggets next GM, I reached out to my colleague Seth Pollack from SB Nation's Bright Side of the Sun blog to get his thoughts on Griffin.
According to Pollack (who knows the Suns organization better than most SBN'ers know theirs), Griffin "is fantastic. A great mix of old school talent evaluation, modern advanced statistics and he's a firm believer in the value of chemistry. I saw today that J.R. Smith might be on the market. No surprise if Griff is indeed taking over. J.R. is exactly the kind of player he wouldn't want on his team. His track record with the Suns speaks for itself. Both Marion and Amar'e were number nine picks, getting Barbosa from the Spurs and, of course, Lopez and Dragic. Free agents like Frye, Amundson, Hill and the trade for Dudley and J-Rich [Jason Richardson] also came on his watch which really took off when [Steve] Kerr took over. On the flip side, he was rumored to be partially responsible for the Marcus Banks signing and Diaw extension while [Mike] D'Antoni was GM. Overall, he's a smart guy who had great relationships with players and media. We were very sad when he left."
Masai Ujiri (pronounced MAH-SIGH OOO-JEE-REE)
A former four-season scout for the Nuggets, the Nigerian-born Ujiri has spent the last three years with the Toronto Raptors organization as the team's assistant general manager under Bryan Colangelo. Though the Raptors haven't experienced much on-the-court success during Ujiri's tenure north of the border, they have brought in an assortment of quality international players - such as Jose Calderon, Andrea Bargnani and Carlos Delfino - knowing that to stay competitive with their American-based NBA brethren requires thinking outside of what's the norm for American NBA teams.
Unlike Griffin and the Nuggets third likely candidate, Tommy Sheppard, Ujiri played professional basketball...albeit overseas in Europe. But doing some snooping around online about Ujiri, it turns out he's well regarded for his international basketball acumen, notably African and European players, Clearly a go-getter, the young Ujiri has already served as director for the NBA's "Basketball Without Borders" program.
Readers of this site have long been concerned about the Nuggets lack of international scouting and Ujiri would seem to fill that gap well. Additionally, having just been Bosh'd in Toronto, Ujiri could bring the Nuggets some much needed guidance and assistance when it comes to dealing with "will-he-or-won't-he-stay" star players like Bosh, Melo and so forth.
Tommy Sheppard
I remember Sheppard when he worked for the Nuggets 15 or so years ago and he knew many of the season ticket holders on a first-name basis. No one will question Sheppard's love of the game, people skills and intelligence. But it's his basketball acumen that I'd like to know more about. Not a former player himself, Sheppard has transitioned from a PR-type guy to a basketball administration executive while working for the Washington Wizards.
According to the Wizards official website, "Sheppard assists with the day-to-day operations of a basketball department that brought three All-Stars in Gilbert Arenas, Antawn Jamison, and Caron Butler to Washington, and added veteran experience to the Wizards’ core with Mike Miller, Randy Foye, Fabricio Oberto and DeShawn Stevenson." I'm not sure I'd be bragging to anyone about adding DeShawn Stevenson.
In many ways, Sheppard could be the anti-Mark Warkentien if he ends up back in Denver. Where Warkentien was prickly with the media and hid in his office during games, Sheppard is known for welcoming the media with open hours (perhaps Denver Stiffs could finally get credentialed?) and being overly gregarious - not a bad thing, I might add - with the ticket-paying fans. The question, of course, is how well can Sheppard evaluate talent?
Other names have been leaked to the media including the Kings' Jason Levien and the Hawks' David Pendergraft, but all roads seem to come back to Griffin, Ujiri and Sheppard to fill the Nuggets GM vacancy. If it were up to me, I'd go with Griffin. Not only does he have the experience of building a competitive, championship-caliber team in the brutally tough Western Conference but, perhaps most importantly, he's a former blogger!
Regardless of whom the Nuggets ultimately hire, let's just hope it's handled sooner than later. The Nuggets laundry list of to-do's - ranging from the Melo situation to negotiating George Karl's next contract - is long and extensive. And it might not be a bad idea for the Nuggets to have a fresh pair of eyes making decisions alongside the current upper echelon of team management.
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"Lost in the kerfuffle that is the Carmelo Anthony fiasco"... and posters accuse you of being anti-Melo why again???
Seriously there are a couple of developments I’ll be watching with curiosity…
What is the real motivation behind trading JR. Can the Nugs convince to Melo that trading JR is a legit step in improving the team for a title run today and long term improvements tomorrow? Or is a JR trade simply step 1 in the roster tear down… including Melo.
Reasons why another team would want JR: 1. salary dump, 2. have JR throw up a lot of points on a bad team then cut him loose the season; 3. a good team like Atlanta tries to put up with JR while trying to squeeze a little good from the bad; or 4. a team believes they can do what Byron Scott & George Karl could not… turn JR into a real grown up NBA player.
I’m in favor of cutting loose of JR and moving on; but short of a major package deal I don’t see too many scenarios where getting rid of JR would actually make the Nugs more of a title contender.
The other development I’m keeping an eye on that hasn’t been mentioned is Karl. I’m neither endorsing nor condemning him; but I’m wondering if Karl doesn’t see a team commitment to keep Melo would Karl decide to not come back? He’s a two-time cancer warrior on a one year contract and the team just cut his son. Would Karl really want to deal with a once-contending team going into meltdown? Does Karl decide to evoke the time honored "life is too short for this stuff" and retire?
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Remember the Alamo", "Remember the Maine", "Remember the Hunter Trade"
"Contenders commit to building a champion; pretenders end up getting bit right on their pick axe"
Also, re Andrew's negativity toward Melo shows here
You’ll be responsible for re-shaping the future of an NBA franchise whose best player may or may not want to stay in town (despite being offered a $65 million extension)(who is currently mulling over accepting a $65 million extension),
See how different that comes across?
How about wording it fairly?
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Jeez...
…tough room!
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by Andrew Feinstein on Aug 24, 2010 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions
But I'm kind of serious Andrew.
it changes the whole tone of the piece…unless what you are going for is a negative bias :)
I say this respectfully…
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He's the sacred cow
And his farts don’t stink on Denver Stiffs!
He has many fans Gasus
just like you don’t like him….there are others who do. Why does this bother you so much?
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I like him
I’m just not blindly in love with him. I recognize his faults and I am mad at him right now for not taking the extension. I am a Nugs fan and being a Nugs fan is way more important to me than being a Melo fan. Andrew talks about Melo’s flaws sometimes and all the people with Sacred Cow Syndrome jump all over him for it. You ask me, Andrew does a pretty good job of not letting his fandome bias his opinions on Melo.
It is just frustrating to me to see people bash Andrew for the hard work he is doing. He has really good points and well thought out articles that spark debate and conversation. No reason for people to hate on him like he doesn’t want what is best for the Nugs.
by Gasus on Aug 24, 2010 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I haven't bashed Andrew. I think he's a good writer. I also read between his lines
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Well.....Andrew is a dedicated fan....there's no denying that
He and I have locked horns on many subjects, but we are both fans. We choose to approach our fandom in different ways. I tend to be more positive, Andrew tends to be more negative. However, when push comes to shove, we are both there at Nuggets games cheering on our team.
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And I'm still a Nuggets fan...and would like to know once and for all
can’t we all just get along!
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The children!! Oh god, won't SOMEBODY think of the children!!
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seriously, dont say nothin bad about sdcats baby...
for weeks now sdcat has been the melo police. never should be heard a discouraging word about melo when sdcat is online.
hes watching.
by calvin brodus on Aug 24, 2010 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
SDcat is a she....female
also….she’s entitled to her opinion just as Andrew is entitled to his. Andrew’s a big boy, he can handle himself
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trust jpage, i dont fear for andrew.
it aint right, but now that i know sdcat is a girl, i have a completely different outlook on her posts.
so sdcat, when it comes to andrews writings and perceived negativity towards melo, nitpick until your heart is content!
and ill never call you the melo police again….that i promise.
by calvin brodus on Aug 24, 2010 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
wow.....that's textbook passive agressive right there
Listen….I don’t begrudge your opinion at all….I think we all handle this thing with Melo in different ways. Andrew get’s ultra snarky, SDCat gets “nit picky”. I think we all want the same thing (except Gasus….who thinks he’s the only one on his island) but it’s quite traumatic when you think about it. Lebron’s “decision” put everyone on edge, and it’s only natural to play to your protective instincts.
So I’d say this….feel free to nit pick SDCat’s nit picking of Andrew’s snarkiness to your heart’s content….as long as we all remain Nuggets fans.
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jpage, you realize youre nitpicking me right?
jokes.
by calvin brodus on Aug 24, 2010 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions
how dare you nitpick me nitpicking you
that’s too much nitpicking of the nitpicker who’s nitpicking….
wait…..what??
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Actually, I would nitpick this post because
I would defend you if you were object of Andrew’s negative bias. And you know, being a chick and all, I can joust with the best of you all.
My point is that Andrew claims to be supporting Melo and wants Melo here, but yet his posts take negative jabs throughout. So that’s what I’m saying.
And also, I have a badge from Melo that says I am a deputized defender of Melo…
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I'm gonna start monitering every single word you say during every post you make and find faults in your writing
How would that make you feel SD?
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 24, 2010 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Isn't that what Thursty does?
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Actually I didn't nitpick his grammar. I went directly towards what I believe is his intent
Bring it GN…
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I gotta say
that is looking extremely hard for ways to say Andrew can’t stand Melo. It is factual that Melo was offered 65 mil while no one knows how much he is mulling over the contract(presumingly a lot but maybe not).
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by Phil H. on Aug 24, 2010 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't say Andrew can't stand Melo and he is correct that Melo has a outstanding extension......
Andrew is not a fly by night writer. He thinks long and hard about what he writes and how he writes it. IMO
From Merriam Webster.
DESPITE
1
: the feeling or attitude of despising : contempt
2
: malice, spite
3
a : an act showing contempt or defiance
b : detriment, disadvantage — in despite of
: in spite of
seems pretty negative to me….
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Umm
you know that is not the form of despite Andrew was using. More so this one
“in spite of; notwithstanding.”
Your definitions refer to when despite is used as a noun.
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OH MY F*ING GOD!!!
Are we starting this thing again? Seriously SD?
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 24, 2010 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Actually I didn't start it...I was building on the first post....
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It’s interesting that Griffin walked away from the Suns along with Steve Kerr.
I liked the chemistry that Phoenix built along with the talent they had/have from the old regime. I’d be happy with the Griffin hire as well based off the work he did with the Suns.
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Please stop referencing the WCF's
That was a loooooong time ago and the landscape of the Nuggets and the entire NBA is much different nowadays. C’mon brotha! The Nugs might have a lot of the same players but there are MANY very different motivators, injury concerns, contract issues, lack of GM issues (as this article discusses)… and 1 year and 3 months extra wear on the players tires. And the NBA just like every other league is a ‘what have you done for me lately’ league and we have a one-and-done as our “lately”. That WCF might as well have been in 1973.
+1 and rec that shit.
like it or not, WCF was many, many moons ago. and i dont think the team that steps on the floor this october is nearly as good as the team that lost to the lakers in the WCF.
by calvin brodus on Aug 24, 2010 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
It's important to reference the WCF
Within the past weeks rumors a disturbing labels keep coming up. All of a sudden the nuggs are not competitive, and Melo cannot win w/ the nuggs??? It’s important to remind him and others that the nuggs were in the WCF less then 2 yrs ago and that this idea that the nuggets cannot win is WRONG. It keeps getting thrown out there that the nuggs haven’t put the proper pieces around #15, which is also wrong. The nuggs have done nothing but try (Andre Miller, Camby, Kmart, AI, Billups, even JR) w/ mixed results and some bad injury luck. If he reups, I’m sure the nuggs will continue to try and build around him. People just need to keep driving the point home that we aren’t the blackhole of basketball that mainstream media keeps portraying us as. Andrew said it best…..We’re not Clevland!
by Melonugg on Aug 24, 2010 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Griffin is an intriguing choice
It’s not really a “mess” he’s coming in to. Even if Melo leaves MUCHO dinero is coming off the books within the next couple years. Like a clean slate to operate with.
Priority one is to keep Melo here….failing that there’s tons of room to go with considering we would have all that room under the cap.
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Interesting bit of news from Fanhouse
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/08/24/david-griffin-nuggets-negotiating-with-gm-job-still-unfilled/
I find this passage particularly interesting
Anthony has yet to sign a three-year, $65 million extension that was offered earlier this summer, but sources insist it remains a strong possibility that he will eventually do so
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Well, Melo left for China this morning
so says Twitter…so we have at least another couple of days to fret…
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I wonder if we offer all the tea in China....
….nah….to easy.
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Clearly, this is a sign that Melo intends to move to China and
play for the Shanghai Sharks.
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that son of a .......after all that defending of him I was doing
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Well, obviously he's been Shanghai'd!
bazinga!
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He will make Lebron look silly when he signs the contract on the Great Wall
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Oh dude...this would be awesome!
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I saw a report
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AuJTAOMNcKewlle1IUn2Eaq8vLYF?slug=aw-anthonykroenke082410
Anthony still believes he can get the maximum possible money from re-signing with the Nuggets now, sources said, with his sights on engineering a trade to a preferred destination later. For him to opt out of his contract at the end of next season would be an immense risk. With league owners determined to shorten the years and lessen the money on max contracts in the next collective bargaining agreement, Anthony and his representatives know they could cost themselves tens of millions of guaranteed dollars.
If this is to be believed, even if he signs the contract, he might try to force a trade later.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Aug 24, 2010 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Whatever, let him sign and we'll worry about how long he's a Nugget later
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 24, 2010 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions
this bad news
All this means is that whetheror not he signs we’ll have a constant influx of garbage stories and speculation all year long about melo going to a different team. Every time we drop a game some idiot reporter will dream up a column about melo engineering a trade to that team.
by porridgeorange on Aug 25, 2010 6:17 AM MDT up reply actions
If he signs, he will not have much leverage, and I bet the story goes away.
Not entirely, but somewhat.
Bottom line is this: if the Nugs win, Melo will be fine here and won’t make a stink. Period.
by blooming rock on Aug 25, 2010 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Kroenke's inactivity
I wonder how much of the limbo being experienced by both the Nugs and Avs are due to Kroenke’s desire to buy the Rams and what may come out of that situation? Frankly, he’s just being cheaper than hell with the Avs right now, they aren’t even up to the salary cap floor and have two prominent RFAs of their own that they still need to sign. It may be possible that he just has other priorities and isn’t giving his Denver empire much attention at the moment.
Your 2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Reaching Up to the Cap Floor
More to it than Money?
CBSSports.com: http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/24089154
Maybe more “reaching journalism” but this article is implying that Griffin may know more about the Melo situation, i.e., dare I say he isn’t staying so the job would be much tougher and is thinking it through – and the money maybe needs to be more if the rumors are true. At least that’s what I derived from the article.
wow....the guy who wrote that sounds like he's REALLLY reaching there
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My thoughts on the article and the ensuing comments:
1) I’d got for Griffin. Seems like he has a good feel for the draft (which the Nugs have sucked at), talent, and bringing in good role players.
2) The Nugs GM job is a good one. They have mant talented players, assets in expiring contracts, a star player that’s waiting to see what happens with the roster, the owner (despite popular belief) is not cheap and willing to pay the luxury tax (Nugs had the 5th highest payroll in the league last year). If a guy has a plan and knows what he’s doing, he could make good things happen with this team in the next 5 years.
3) Whether you like Melo or not, think he’s planning a move or not, look at it from his perspective: There’s no GM, there was no action in the draft, the team is clearly in need of an upgrade in the fornt court, and he has until the season is over to make a decision . . . why the hell would he sign right now? I’d want to stay if I were him (he’s got a good thing going here), but I’d want to make sure things were in order with the franchise first. The big issue here is all the speculation being thrown out by Fanhouse, Yahoo, ESPN, and all the other media whores . . . there’s nothing good to talk about until training camps start up, so let’s throw out 8,000 possibilities for what’s going through Melo’s head . . . total waste of time.
by blooming rock on Aug 24, 2010 3:19 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
According to fanhouse we've offered Griffin the job but he hasn't accepted yet due to the financial benefits of the contract...
meaning he wants more money… I hope Josh just gives it to him and don’t settle for a worse GM to save a could thousand dollars
not sure we really need a GM
I’d like to see Bearup actually do something substantial rather than stand in the shadows and pretend to be an executive. If he’s actually capable then why do we need a bunch of other people to confuse the chain of command? I think its like this: Bearup isn’t capable, however he’s gotten himself completely entrenched with Stan K. and is now in the position of not being responsible for any failures and not actually having to do anything positive to rationalize keeping him around. Now perhaps my naive can be faulted here for not knowing the true inner workings of how everything on the business side transpires, but honestly all I hear about Bearup is that he is a top dog with the franchise but nothing about what he does or more significantly what he does well. I guess he’s so good at what he does that its not worth mentioning?? Does anyone actually know, not unsubstantiated rumors or hearsay, what Bearup does and how he helps the Nuggets win a championship? I’m sure he collects a paycheck for whatever it is and I’m willing to bet its larger than most of the DStiffs readers’.
by InboundingLobPass on Aug 25, 2010 12:59 AM MDT reply actions
From an article written on Bearup back in 2000
“I pride myself on my knowledge of the game, and of players who have what it takes to get to the top level,” Bearup said. “It’s just good business sense to identify those people early.” Brett Bearup
Bearup grew up on Long Island and was a highly rated hoops star at Harborfields High before he joined Sam Bowie and Kenny Walker at Kentucky, then coached by Joe B. Hall.
Bearup, a self-described “wise ass,” had a confrontational relationship with Hall and acknowledges he didn’t live up to his potential as a Wildcat.
Bearup buckled down in business school, then earned a degree in law at Kentucky. He worked at a big Louisville firm for several years that specialized in investment law, then Lawrence Funderburke showed up seeking a way out of the letter of intent he signed with Indiana and Bob Knight. Bearup took on Funderburke’s pro bono, and Funderburke transferred to Ohio State in 1989.
In 1992, Bearup started his financial management firm. His company has more than 100 clients whose money Bearup invests in stocks, bonds, real estate, restaurants and other ventures.
Sounds like he’s qualified to be GM since he “prides himself on his knowledge of the game” and all…
by InboundingLobPass on Aug 25, 2010 1:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Bucher says
That Griffin has declined the job and is out of the running.
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wow that doesn't sound promising at all
Perhaps Griffin thinks that Melo has reason to be skeptical about the Nuggets outlook. If we sign Ujiri as GM I guess we can look forward to a whole new outlook…..a international one.
by InboundingLobPass on Aug 25, 2010 1:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah I think it makes us seem kind of shady
In the Yahoo article yesterday Woj said Josh K had been telling agents he was going to be the man in the front office even before Wark was gone. I mean if thats true then it’s going to get around to all the GMs and front offices in the league. Just think if you’re another GM who was probably worked 20 years building a career from the ground up the perception is that this 30 year old was just given control of a team by his Dad and is now supposed to be your equal? It would paint the Nugs in the bad light which is why I thought we needed a proven guy like Griffin to be in charge of things in the front office.
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by runningdonut on Aug 25, 2010 1:52 AM MDT up reply actions
But if you look at things that way,
Maybe we don’t even need a “GM”. If Josh is going to be the “man in the front office”, he can pretty much be the guy. I don’t see why he wouldn’t be able to do it if he wanted to, although I’m not saying he’d be good at it.
I’d much prefer to have an experienced GM handling the team, but I also know that Josh K. can do whatever he wants. Besides, if I, your average joe fan, can know enough to run the basketball side of a team, why can’t he?
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Good point, but whether they need a GM or not don't lowball the man
If you’re pursuing someone offer fair market value or pursue somebody less… That’s LA Clipper kind of crap.
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Well, yeah.
I’m just sayin this after he already declined. I agree with you that we should’ve offered him a whole lot better.
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Am I the only one here who has a serious problem with the idea that Jr. and Berup are handeling the team and that the GM doesn't matter as much?
What the hell has Josh or Berup ever done to earn them such high echelon spots with the Nuggets organization? I’m sorry, but I want somebody running team who has an actual record, and has shown they deserve a chance to run a professional basketball organization. I’m not happy about this news at all.
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 25, 2010 8:43 PM MDT up reply actions
+1...strangely, I've been agreeing with you a lot lately...
I want to give Ujiri the benefit of the doubt, but this is a hell of a time to take the training wheels off. Add to that that the team is in flux and the ship is captained by a shadowy puppetmaster (Bearup) and a cubscout (Jr.).
by Artimus Mangilord on Aug 26, 2010 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions
while I'm definately not doubting that the Nuggets are low balling Griffin (huge mistake)
I just think Bucher just echoed the fanhouse report from yesterday about the negotiations stalling due to financial problems
but I said this right after Wark and Chap weren’t renewed… the GM position and coach are crucial to a basketball team, they are both things that could be more important than most players… without a quality GM, you can’t have a good basketball team, and with a bad coach, it doesn’t matter how good the team is, if the coach blows, you won’t get the full potential of the team… So my point is, the GM (and Coach) position is something u can’t cheap out on!!! It’s a move that will forever impact the franchise and shouldn’t be made due to financial reasons… seriously if we hire Ujiri, it proves that the team would rahter save half a million $ than commit to winning… i dont care how they put it, but if they don’t sign Griffin it would be b/c he doesn’t want to come here or over financial reason, because they’ve made it obvious he’s the guy they want…. /end rand
also, I guess we haven’t heard about Pritch b/c if Josh truly wants power, he won’t get it with Pritch there… like someone said earlier, we should call up Jerry West b/c he does want a job, he just might want a lot of money…
Also does anyone know what GM job Griffin turned down before this one?
and I read an intersting point… I think a lot of GMs don’t want to come to Denver after the way they released Wark and Chap… even though I get the feeling that Wark prob told Stan he’d rather try and prove himself than to be released earlier… but it could also be the owner’s stinginess and future uncertainty that scares ppl away from this job
Where does this perception of owner's stinginess come from?
The Nugs have been one of the highest salaried teams under Kroenke’s ownership.
by blooming rock on Aug 25, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Well, it was a hell of a lot higher,
then he started dumping contracts a couple years ago, and has only picked up small/minimum contracts since then.
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does anyone know if Randy Pfund retired?
I think he was teh GM of the Heat championship and I’d like the Nuggets to interview him
I believe the name of the person you're looking for there would be Pat Riley
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Well,
Pfund was the GM in Miami up until 2008, when Pat Riley stepped on. I think Riley was the coach of the 2006 Heat Championship team, while Pfund was the GM.
But yeah, I see your point. Most of the credit probably goes to Riley.
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Not here to cause any trouble.
I’m just sort of baffled by what’s going on in Denver, and am trying to get a handle on it.
This stuff is probably old news to you, but with Carmelo rumors lighting up the Rocketsphere almost daily, I’m just confused.
I saw the Nuggets as a very strong team. Was it determined they just weren’t good enough? So far, no one has been better than LA lately, so how does breaking up the team help?
Why let the GM go? It looked to me like he did a fantastic job.
What is going on with Melo? How did it come to this? Is him wanting to leave some sort of “Me too!” thing, to be like Bosh and LeBron? Does management realize that there is probably no way they can get full value for him?
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“Was it determined they just weren’t good enough? So far, no one has been better than LA lately, so how does breaking up the team help?”
A: We really arn’t breaking up just yet. The thing is we have tons of expiring contracts right now, in fact our 5 best players are coming off the books after this year, so it’s just kind of hectic right now in terms of who we want to keep and who we don’t.
“Why let the GM go? It looked to me like he did a fantastic job.”
A: Yes, he did a fantastic job. What’s becoming more and more evident by the day is that our owner is stingy with his money and doesn’t know how to spend it right, therefor it makes our GMs look stingy and like they don’t know how to spend right. Wark basically built a WCFs team and potentially a Finals team under pretty strict orders. I think he probably expected more money, our owner wasn’t willing to give it to him, and they went their separate ways. Now it looks like were going to hire some no name guy who was a scouting director for foreign players for the Toronto Raptors? There’s something wrong with that picture. Honestly, I don’t think anbody is very confident with whats going on with the organization right now.
“What is going on with Melo? How did it come to this? Is him wanting to leave some sort of "Me too!" thing, to be like Bosh and LeBron? Does management realize that there is probably no way they can get full value for him?”
A: I am starting to believe the main reason Melo is leaning towards leaving is because of all the uncertainty surrounding the organization. Look at it if you were in his shoes. We have a hall of fame caliber coach who has sadly had some healthy problems that may cause him to retire after this season, we just let go our former GM of the year, we have no bigs over 6’10 and the ones we do have are always injured and the lone bright spot in all of this (Billups) is getting up there in age. Until we have some stability in our organization I don’t see why anybody would want to be here. That being said we’re still going to be a force out West this year, but who knows after that.
I hope that helps.
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by GoldenNugget on Aug 25, 2010 9:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks for that.
I’m really shocked at the Warkentein thing. Really good GMs are like gold in the NBA, or should be. You can pay your GM richly and still be way under what you pay a mediocre NBA player, and the GM doesn’t count against the cap.
On the other hand, when you can get a guy who has been closely associated with the NBA juggernaut that is the Toronto Raptors, you have to do it.
As for Melo – that’s an interesting perspective. The mainstream portrayal seems to be of a guy who’s basically a whiner, and greedy, as he’s been offered a rich contract extension. The possibility that the guy doesn’t want to commit his prime years to a club that looks like it might be turning into Knicks West makes a lot of sense. Of course, why would he want to go to New york in that case? His wife?
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by Artimus Mangilord on Aug 26, 2010 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Basically a team that gets ruined by ownership.
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