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I will never root for LeBron James...

Gyi0060995227_medium_mediumLeBron James's signing with the Miami Heat is bad for LeBron, bad for the NBA and, potentially, bad for the Denver Nuggets.

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If LeBron James bailed on Cleveland in the least classy way possible (as he ultimately did) I was all set to use "LeBron James is a selfish, clueless dickhead" as my column header, but Deadspin's Drew Magary beat me to the punch earlier this morning with a much more succinct, articulate and humorous diatribe than anything I'd have come up with.  But regardless of what name-calling you want to deploy in reference to LeBron (and trust me, they're all warranted at this point), it doesn't change the fact that his signing by the Miami Heat is bad for everyone involved and the NBA in general.

First off, I feel awful for the city of Cleveland and Cavaliers fans everywhere.  Like Denver, Cleveland is a small market city by professional sports standards and, also like Denver, its basketball franchise did whatever it could (read: spend gazillions of dollars, fire two coaches, fire two GMs and make countless deals to get "the King" a ring) to build a team around its superstar in hopes of keeping him there.  Therefore, I don't begrudge Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert one bit for his post-announcement comments referring to LeBron's "shocking lack of disloyalty" among other much more colorful statements.  Gilbert and the Cavaliers did more for LeBron than Glen Taylor and the Timberwolves ever did for Kevin Garnett and yet LeBron didn't have the courtesy of talking to Gilbert face-to-face about his decision, opting instead to string Gilbert and Cavaliers fans alongside the rest of the world.

Second, I regret re-upping my season tickets for the 2010-11 Denver Nuggets season, because I don't want to support the NBA with my dollars right now.  The system is broken.  Two franchises - Toronto and Cleveland - died this week, meaning as a Nuggets season ticket holder I'm stuck with two more worthless games that combined will cost me about $600 to sit through.  And while I appreciate Gilbert's comments guaranteeing that Cleveland will win a championship before Miami does, the Cavaliers effectively have to start over (just as Denver might next year...more on that shortly).  By LeBron, Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade effectively colluding to play together in Miami, they've ruined the competitive balance of the NBA in one week.  Suffice to say I'll be rooting boisterously for the Celtics, Bulls and Magic to kick the Heat's ass in the Eastern Conference next season.

Third, if LeBron truly only cares about winning, he has made a horrible basketball decision.  The Bulls (with Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah and Carlos Boozer), the Nets (with Devin Harris, Brook Lopez, ample cap space and Avery Johnson as head coach) or his previous team - the Cavaliers (who lest we forget had the NBA's best regular season record before LeBron took a dive in the playoffs) - all provided him with the deepest and most well-rounded rosters with which to win a championship.  Last I checked the Heat are missing decent players at two of the most important positions on a basketball floor - point guard and center - and have only Mario Chalmers signed for next season.  And why should any decent player settle for the league minimum just to help "King" James get his first ring, especially with a lockout looming?

Fourth, even if LeBron somehow wins a championship by gravy-training with Wade and Bosh, it will be a tainted championship.  LeBron will never be the man in Miami as he could have been (check that, already was) in Cleveland.  Instead of being John Elway, Magic Johnson or Derek Jeter, LeBron has opted to be - at best - Scottie Pippen or James Worthy.  Great players to be sure, but not the heart and soul of their respective teams.  That honor in Miami will always belong to Wade, who didn't need LeBron to win his first NBA Championship.

Fifth, LeBron's signing in Miami could potentially mean the end of the Carmelo Anthony Era in Denver.  As detailed recently by Fanhouse's Chris Tomasson, Melo faces a tough decision: re-up with the Nuggets now for about $65 million guaranteed dollars over three seasons, or hold out for next summer, sign with the Knicks, become the king of New York but risk - again, according to Tomasson - losing almost $35 million in salary should the owners hammer the players in the next collective bargaining agreement as expected.  

Under the current system that just destroyed two NBA franchises for next season and cost several others two seasons worth of basketball, Melo would be as good as gone and the Nuggets would need to work on a sign-and-trade deal for David Lee this weekend.  But given that the presumed 2011 owners' lockout will commence before Melo can sign with anyone, it likely behooves Melo to take his $65 million now.  Of course, just because the owners lockout the players doesn't mean Melo can't still get his hands on $65 million.  We just don't know how the new system is going to work out and neither does Melo.  But I have to believe that with the Knicks losing out on LeBron means they're already hot after Melo.  And playing for Mike D'Antoni alongside Amare Stoudemire would be a great fit for the no-defense-playing Melo.

Fortunately for Nuggets fans, the lockout might be our savior in terms of keeping Melo in powder blue and gold for a few more seasons.  But the lockout didn't come soon enough for Cleveland, Toronto or the many franchises - including the Knicks, Bulls, Nets and Clippers - that threw away the last few seasons just for a shot at signing LeBron.  When the owners sit down next summer, something must be done to change this system.  No fan base should have to endure what Cavaliers, Raptors, Knicks, Bulls and all three Nets fans just went through.  

To be clear, LeBron James has every right to jettison Cleveland for another franchise.  If he feels Miami gives him a better chance to win a ring (while I might vehemently disagree), he has the freedom to make that decision.  But it can't be said enough about how poorly LeBron handled his decision and how his "marketing team" grossly miscalculated the PR side of his free agency.  Based on the reaction I've seen in the blogosphere and elsewhere, LeBron has alienated anyone who's an NBA fan outside of Miami.  Ever since the news broke that LeBron would be partaking in a one-hour TV special to announce his decision - while not being man enough to notify the Cavaliers or other suitors beforehand in person - I've been deluged with emails and texts denouncing "King" James.  

Five years ago, my Benedict Arnold Lakers fan of a little brother boldly stated to me: "LeBron is a bad guy.  I don't know have any specific examples for why I'm saying this, but I just know it.  He's a bad guy and everyone will see it someday."  I hate giving Lakers fans any credit, but today LeBron proved that my brother was 100% right.

I will never root for LeBron James.  I hope he and his Heat teammates never taste NBA Finals champagne together.  "King" James doesn't deserve to wear a crown and certainly doesn't deserve to wear any championship jewelry, either.  

But the NBA is bigger than the narcissistic and self-centered likes of LeBron James.  The NBA must look itself in the mirror and fix a broken free agency system before more defections ruin more small market franchises.  Otherwise, the Nuggets could be next. 

Is it too late to get a refund on my season tickets?

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I couldn't agree more.

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Melo will stay for 3 more seasons and then yes he’s gone. Thats why jefferson is a must NOW. The next 3 seasons or bust. Also I just reupped my tix too and I wouldnt if i thought Melo was gone.

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by The U.N. Fab Five on Jul 8, 2010 10:43 PM MDT reply actions  

Great write-up… I agree completely.

I have been to busy to really follow everything that’s been happening with the “Summer of LeBron” over the last month, but somewhere along the way I just decided that he would never leave the Cavs. I thought there was no way he would leave, not because of loyalty to the city and team, but because he would feel like a coward for leaving.

It is basically an admission that he doesn’t believe he is good enough to win without getting a chance to play with two of the best 10 players in the league.

And the fact that he had the balls to schedule and execute a hokey and contrived “1-Hour Special” to announce his decision, during which he stabbed his team and ultimately an entire city in the back, just kills me. Really? I always knew LeBron craved the spotlight, but I never thought he would pull a stunt like this. Borderline Pathetic.

Oh well, I’ll still be watching the games, regardless of if I think LeBron is a gigantic, self-absorbed douchebag. The basketball coming out of Miami could be spectacular. But then again, it might not be… Two ball-hogging, high volume shot taking superstars in the back-court is never an easy thing to pull off.

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by aLuffabo on Jul 8, 2010 10:52 PM MDT reply actions  

Andrew, I have to disagree... maybe I'm biased b/c I live in Miami and the Heat have always been my second fav team (even was when they won 15 games)

I think LeBron has the right to chose to go where ever he wanted to go. What’s wrong with him wanting to team up two all stars. He doesn’t owe anything at all to the city of Cleveland or the Cavs organization. The point is, if he had decided to stay in Cleveland, yeah we’d be saying oh how noble, what a hometown hero, etc….

but then when he doesn’t win a ring we still blast him. He finally did the right thing and instead of listening to everyone talking shit about him and went to the team with the highest chance to win.

The only knock I have on this whole situation is the fact that he held this whole decision parade. That was completely unnecessary and showed he does have a huge ego. But the fact that minutes after his decision the owner of the Cavs goes out and has a lil hissy fit, think about it… the owner is saying “how dare you leave a team that you never chose to go to for a chance to win a ring? seriously I hope you are unlucky and never win a ring. I am cursing you because you didn’t chose me.” This sounds like a crazy ex-girlfriend saying “I’ll find you, hunt you down, cut your balls off and make sure you’re never with another girl again.” Seriously why can’t LeBron move on.

just my opinion, and I know I’m against most the other Stiff readers on this point, but I’ll stick by it

by hvino on Jul 8, 2010 10:59 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

You're not crazy, but...

I agree that LBJ had the right to choose anywhere he wanted to go and do it anyway he wanted to it. But that doesn’t mean – in my opinion – that he made the right decision and I think we all agree that he handled it as poorly as possible. The fact that he wasn’t man enough to tell his suitors (and the Cavs) of his intentions face-to-face is what’s most disappointing and will forever brand him as a bad guy, regardless of how many rings he might net from this. Moreover, I don’t think Kobe, MJ, Duncan, and the other true greats would want to win this way…

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by Andrew Feinstein on Jul 8, 2010 11:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Kobe?

You are forgetting that he has demanded a trade twice, once right after he was drafted, and another time when the team surrounding him wasn’t up to his standards.

Just because lebron is a bastard doesn’t mean that Kobe is automatically a saint. Jesus, Andrew, with the way you constantly trash Melo, and now calling Kobe a true great. Are you a laker fan in disguise?

by Monkfish on Jul 10, 2010 2:29 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I actually

think he would’ve been better with the Bulls. Sure Wade LeBron, and Bosh are great, but a team with Rose, Noah, Boozer, and LeBron would be unstoppable.

by higgyhoops12 on Jul 8, 2010 11:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

personally

I hoped that Lebron would join the Vikings with Favre

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by LACK on Jul 9, 2010 10:07 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Lulz.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 10, 2010 5:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

the whole media-drama thing

lbj has been pulling has been too much. on top of that, he didnt even tell cleveland or gilbert face to face that hes leaving. he let them find out through that stupid 1-hr special like everyone else. gilberts letter is pretty funny, but cmon man, gilbert’s bitch ass bent over let lebron walk all over him. now that lebron is gone, hes tryna act like a tough guy. classic. had lebron chose cleveland, gilbert would NOT have held him accountable and he would let lebron do whatever he wanted like usual.

screw lebron though. hope miami never wins a title.

let's go nuggets! who u wit?

by 808inDenver on Jul 8, 2010 11:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

He can move on...

But obviously money CANNOT buy class. Seriously, LeBron could have handled the whole thing much better.

He needs some humble pie and stop talking about him being The Chosen One. He is not the greatest player ever nor is he the greatest player playing now – see Kobe Bryant for that. Not until he wins some rings can he even be in that conversation…

Also, I heard that David Lee is in a sing and trade with GSW.

by Shannon1127 on Jul 8, 2010 11:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Can I vote him off Idol yet?

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by DjSarcazm on Jul 8, 2010 11:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hahah, it all reminded me of the Bachelor

“So Lebron, to which lucky city do you choose to give the final rose?” Dude is clueless; good riddance.

@Hvino: yeah, he had every right to leave but the dude has zero class. To spin your ex-girlfriend scenario, he’s like the ex that told you they loved you, lead you on and on and on because they didn’t have the guts to cut it off when you bent over backwards, and then you find out it’s over when she’s with someone else. Lebron has no guts.

by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 9, 2010 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

In terms of the ex/Love thing, I see it a little differently

Because it’s not like he was cheating or anything. The girl (Cleveland) knew about the fact that he needed to settle down (aka win rings) and if she couldn’t give it to him then he needed to find another girl who was right for him. I see it more like Lebron loves Cleveleand with all of his heart but knew deep down inside that she just wasn’t the one.

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 9, 2010 7:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not that the city couldn't give it to him

They had the best record and Lebron quit in the playoffs. That’s on him.

by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 12, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

its blasphemy at this point, but im with you, hvino. i dont hate lebron.

first lebron gets hated on for not having rings. then he makes a move to persue one and gets hated! ill never get that. is there a particular blueprint for winning a ring that makes it legimate? i thought a ring was ring, regardless of how you get it. the lakers, boston, yankees have all spent way more than other teams to bring in the best talent to win a chip. that is the goal right? to win a chip by any means? as a small market team, we may not like it. but we stiffs also sit hear light years away from the championship hoping our front office signs brad miller.

fuck me. i wish a fuckin MIA fan.

he took LESS money to play with his boys in bad ass south beach. imo, anybody hating on that is just a hater.

by calvin brodus on Jul 9, 2010 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

You get “the chosen 1” tattooed on your back, you better be willing to back that up. He should get a coverup job to say “1 of the chosen 3”

by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 9, 2010 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

i prefer not to judge people by their ink.

and wtf, have you both seen him nekid? you seem to know lots about what written on his body.

by calvin brodus on Jul 9, 2010 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Can't blame the Heat for doing this

and those other teams who tanked two years so they could have a 20% chance to get Lebron should check their business strategy. But the way he handled this free-agency was pathetic. You know I would have given him credit for taking less money to go to Miami had he showed any class whatsoever but he didn’t. To not even tell the other teams whom he would go to until right before his reality TV crap and then stab Cleveland in the back in the most publicized announcement in NBA history, that shit was wrong.

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by Phil H. on Jul 8, 2010 11:03 PM MDT reply actions  

The entire FA seemed like a lame reality show

"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = , and no, it's not because of Anthony Carter.
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by LACK on Jul 9, 2010 10:08 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well done Andrew.

This is just such a surreal story. When I first heard about the Beijing conference that included these three and Chris Paul, I thought it was the craziest and coolest thing I’ve ever heard. Four superstars subjugating their ego to win a championship together? Fast forward to tonight and it ends up making LeBron look selfish. How weird is that? If this scenario occurs in Cleveland, he’s seen as a leader and is instantly a legend. Now, as you have pointed out, he is easily the most hated player in the NBA.

After everything the average American has gone through in the past three years, he takes what little hope a working class community has and doesn’t even have the decency to refrain from showing his face in public. If he really thought this was best, he should be ashamed, hide his face and write a public statement— not this.

Worst of all? He’s not even partly prepared for the scrutiny and mistreatment he will receive. His life has been crazy, dotted by thousands of writers, photographers, agents, and groupies, but he’s never had to deal with scorn. What will it feel like to get booed every time he touches the ball in another city? Billionaire? Kiss that goodbye, his image is completely shot. Kobe is now the alpha dog, and he comes out an absolute winner in this. The Lakers will absolutely mop the floor with the Heat if it gets that far, because they have the player LeBron wishes he was.

My final question is this: will this (seemingly) universal hatred linger? My guess is it will disappear as easily as a kids’ attention span in this manufactured quick stimulus culture. Maybe LeBron gets it— maybe he knows that his disloyalty is nothing in an era of divorce, debt, and sexting.

Come on Kevin Durant, the new King of the NBA, do it for the little markets!

by legendarywalton on Jul 8, 2010 11:03 PM MDT reply actions   3 recs

Rec'd

The third paragraph was exactly right. His reputation will never be close to how it was before this whole act began, when he was arguably the most popular player in the league.

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by Ryen on Jul 9, 2010 7:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Kobe got acused of rape and all Lebron did was switch teams

By midway through next season this will be long forgotten. Winning cures all.

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 9, 2010 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

You don't think Melo is the new king of small markets?

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by SDcat09 on Jul 9, 2010 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

No

It is Dudant. Durant is actually humble, he’s only 21 or 22, and the fans actually like him.

Also, Durant loves playing in Oklahoma for some reason (hint to LeBitch: it’s called loyalty and not being a douche)

Many fans of other teams still view Melo as an egotistical thug

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#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = , and no, it's not because of Anthony Carter.
Antoine Walker will win the 2015 NBA 4-point shooting contest. That's right, I said it first.

by LACK on Jul 9, 2010 10:11 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Give me a break

Nothing you said about Lebron’s legitimacy is actually credible at this point in time. In fact nothing is until the Heat step foot on the floor next season. The best thing about all this is if the Heat start dominating during the season (very likely by the way) then none of this even matters and the whole world will forget about it because the Heat will be playing outstanding basketball like we may have never seen before.

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 9, 2010 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

My guess is it will disappear as easily as a kids’ attention span in this manufactured quick stimulus culture.

Unfortunately.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 10, 2010 5:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

I knew he was leaving when....

the camera showed him on the ‘decision’ and he looked like he just put down his dog….but I still thought it was NYC…don’t know why, maybe just rooting. I don’t think Melo will leave just due to the CBA. If there was no looming lockout I think he would def split for home.

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by DjSarcazm on Jul 8, 2010 11:09 PM MDT reply actions  

I do wonder how pissed Stern is

not for the show, that was a great advertisement of his league, but because Lebron chose the smallest market of those teams that wanted him(outside of Cleveland). Had he been in NY with Amare there would be a shit load more money to make, especially if Melo was free to join them after next year.

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by Phil H. on Jul 8, 2010 11:09 PM MDT reply actions  

IF LBJ went to NYC, they would only have 11mil in cap to get Melo...

that would be 11mil total so only 5 players on roster @ cap….don’t think that would work, but now they have plenty of room!!!

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by DjSarcazm on Jul 8, 2010 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

They're the Knicks...they would go for a 5 player team

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by Phil H. on Jul 8, 2010 11:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Mike D'Antoni is their coach

They play a 4-man rotation most of the time

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#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = , and no, it's not because of Anthony Carter.
Antoine Walker will win the 2015 NBA 4-point shooting contest. That's right, I said it first.

by LACK on Jul 9, 2010 10:13 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not a done deal yet

But if it does get done, yes, the case for Pat Riley as GM of the year gets even stronger. Mike Miller would be maybe an ever better signing than Lebron considering the circumstances.

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 9, 2010 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't understand the whole "Pippen" comparison

What, you seriously think this “narcissist” LeBron will allow D-Wade to lead the team? There’s no way in hell LeBron isn’t going to lead the team statistically and emotionally.

Sure, if he wins a ring it’ll be tainted, but not because he’s “Pippen”, but because he’ll have superstars as D-Wade and Bosh as sidekicks.

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by Agaliarept on Jul 8, 2010 11:36 PM MDT reply actions  

Bosh ~= Superstar

Call Bosh the all star he is, but superstar? That remains to be seen. I doubt that with all the spotlight on Wade and the l’il King that Bosh will ever be considered a superstar.

by JTR on Jul 9, 2010 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

If he were to do that...

He still wouldn’t be as good as Bobby Jones and Kevin McHale

"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = , and no, it's not because of Anthony Carter.
Antoine Walker will win the 2015 NBA 4-point shooting contest. That's right, I said it first.

by LACK on Jul 9, 2010 10:13 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

+1

Those are the expectations for Miami now. Anything less is a complete failure.

Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
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by Mini Hulk on Jul 10, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

By the way, this ruins more than just real life

NBA video games are going to be impossible to play online and LeBron/Wade/Bosh all just ruined their fantasy capabilities.

Btw, anyone else realize that LeBron just threw away his chance for a 3rd straight MVP?

MELO FOR 2010-2011 MVP.

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by Agaliarept on Jul 8, 2010 11:37 PM MDT reply actions  

I thought that as well man.

Durant has the MVP award on lock down. Although id love Melo to win it!

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by stan_26 on Jul 8, 2010 11:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Even if he does win it...

I thought about saying that if Melo wins the MVP in Denver, that almost guarantees him staying.

Then I woke up.

FUCK YOU LEBRON.

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by Agaliarept on Jul 8, 2010 11:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I thought of both of the things you say.

1. Nba 2k11 will be nothing but everybody picking the Heat against my nuggets. No more Lakers and Cavs…well not Cavs.

2. Dwade and Lebron have both been cut out of the MVP discussion. Kobe, Melo and Durant now.

by GottaLoveMelo on Jul 9, 2010 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Disagree about Lebron for the 3rd MVP

What happens if this Heat team breaks the single season wins record? I think there’s a descent chance of that, which would make either Wade or Lebron’s case as MVP even stronger.

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 9, 2010 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Marc Jackson

“The Cleveland fans should be ashamed for burning his jersey and should hang his jersey for the way he behaved himself the last 7 years and today” Biggest superstar cock sucker of all time?

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by Phil H. on Jul 8, 2010 11:47 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

screw mark jackson

i hate that guy. biggest lebron and kobe cocksucker ever.

let's go nuggets! who u wit?

by 808inDenver on Jul 8, 2010 11:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yep

Go to Basketbawful, and read the rules on the Mark Jackson drinking game. Then, play it the next time Kobe or LeCock play in a game that MJ is announcing. You’ll be drunk for sure by the six minute mark of the first quarter

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#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = , and no, it's not because of Anthony Carter.
Antoine Walker will win the 2015 NBA 4-point shooting contest. That's right, I said it first.

by LACK on Jul 9, 2010 10:16 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

A Liar, A Cheat, and A Thief

If LeBron thinks signing with Miami is the answer, then he is nothing but The King of Fools. And along the way he has proven that he is willing to lie,cheat and steal to get what he wants. These are the qualities of a professional criminal, not a professional athlete.

First off, Miami is D-Wade’s team and will always be so until he’s gone. This means that LeBron will always be the second fiddle no matter how successful they are. So much for being a self-proclaimed king. And with an ego like the one that he has displayed for all the world to see, it will only be a matter of time before this comes back to haunt him.

As to his criminal qualities… Anyone who believes him about not making up his mind until yesterday morning is a fool. If LeBron had not already decided then why did he hire extra police to protect his home last week? He, Bosh, and Wade all knew what they had decide a long time ago, and just lied about it until the deal was done. This, of course leads to being a cheat. While players colluding with other players may not be against NBA rules, it does cheat professional basketball fans everywhere by circumventing the non-collusion rules between teams.

Lastly, he is a thief for stealing the dreams and hopes of the fans that supported him from the beginning. Thankfully, I am like Andrew’s brother in that I have believed that he was nothing but bad news from day one. The people of Cleveland deserved better. Instead they got LeBron.

So the question of the day is…
What is the difference between LeBron James and a Carp?

Answer… One is a low-life bottom-dwelling scum-sucker that survives on raw sewage, and the other is a fish

by lenscap on Jul 8, 2010 11:54 PM MDT reply actions  

You nailed it

I can’t wait I see the Heat win 60 games next season but flame out in Round 1

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by LACK on Jul 9, 2010 10:18 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wow, you couldn't be anymore delusional

Comparing Lebron to a criminal based on the desicion he made is flat out dumb and irrational.

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 9, 2010 10:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thank You for Your Unsubstantiated Opinion :)

@GN

It is statements (aka personal attacks) like yours that have kept me from posting here in the past, and will do so in the future.

I have to admit though that I thought this might have been the one time when any true Nugget fan could post their thoughts without being ridiculed by others. I guess I was wrong, will defer to your keen insight and refrain from any future posts.

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by lenscap on Jul 11, 2010 7:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I apologize

I would not like you to stop posting. I like reading the opinions of all. But it seems kind of ironic that here you are bashing someone else, calling them a “liar, cheat and a thief” as well as “The King of Fools” who “survives on raw sewage”, yet it’s my “personal attacks” that are going to prevent you from doing the same to other people. Umm….ok.

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 11, 2010 11:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with this at all.

Lebron can do whatever he wants, i still think they dont have enough for a championship unless Lebron really does become the best ever, they have the big 3, a decent pg and now what looks like a great 6th man in miller but no center and no other bench players but 3 2nd round picks and what will probably be some d league scrapings.

I still dont think this is anything close to the lakers getting Gasol for jack squat and his brother.

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by james b on Jul 9, 2010 12:11 AM MDT reply actions  

Confused

There’s no defending the PR debacle (especially since it appears that Wade/Bosh/James have had this planned from Day 1) but almost every other meme out there bothers me.

First, we always say we want players to care more about winning than anything else. But when they do something like this, it becomes, well, they’re not wanting to win the “right” way.

Second, this is proof of how big an ego Lebron has (again, I’m not defending the way he handled the decision, just the decision). As noted above, he’s almost assuredly costing himself many individual accolades and statistics to join a better team (not to mention $30 million). So, he’s an egotist for wanting to win rings more than individual accomplishments or money? Kevin Pelton wrote a great article over at Basketball Prospectus, where and I’m unartfully paraphrasing, that in 30 years, we’re going to have to explain how Lebron took less money and individual glory for the sake of winning AND he was vilified for it.

Third, this tainted championship theory. So do we discount the championships won by Alex Rodriguez and Roger Clemens for joining the already loaded Yankees? Is Greg Maddux’s less meaningful than Tom Glavine’s?

Fourth, the fan bases. Say Bosh goes to HOU in a sign/trade, Wade stays in MIA, and James stays in CLE, does that really make fans of NYK/NJN/CHI/TOR happier? Honestly, part of me thinks this is GOOD for basketball because it’s going to discourage this blatant dumping for salary cap space in the future. I don’t see how Lebron’s the bad guy in this regard. He could only sign with one team, weren’t tons of fan bases going to get disappointed anyway?

Lastly, I feel the need to point out it was just over seven years ago that Kobe was arrested on an accusation of rape. He’s now a conquering hero to a large majority of fans. I point this out for two reasons. One, sports fans have a short memory, where winning often cures all. Second, when we’re all piling on Lebron for how “bad” of a guy he is, let us keep what he did and did not do in perspective. If he goes to CHI/NYK, is there this much vitriol? I don’t think so. So, really, the argument isn’t even that much about him ‘screwing’ Cleveland (although I do think empathy for Cleveland is absolutely appropriate).

He handled his free agency/announcement terribly. That doesn’t make him a monster (or a criminal).

by MD413 on Jul 9, 2010 12:16 AM MDT reply actions  

Great points, one counter

One of LeBron’s many nicknames is the “Chosen One”. Now if you want that name to be based strictly on his abilities as a basketball player, then fine my counter won’t be for you. I look at it in a way much more significant to the city of Cleveland. How often is a prodigy born into a community and allowed to use his gifts specifically for that community? Almost never, right? And how often do athletes talk about winning a championship in their hometown as being the greatest accomplishment of their lives?

Here’s why people are crucifying him. He’s been given a golden opportunity to fulfill the destiny of a city. Yes it’s hyperbolic, and unrealistic, but that’s why the only decision had to be Cleveland. Dwyane Wade has no connection to Miami. Chris Bosh had no connection to Toronto. LeBron James GREW UP AND PLAYED HIS ENTIRE CAREER IN CLEVELAND. That cannot be overstated how rare of an opportunity he had. He basically had the path to basketball Jesus, and he said, “No thanks, I don’t want that pressure, I don’t want to sacrifice, and I can’t give my own tribe what it wants.” This is the exact opposite of the American dream.

He renounced his hometown by leaving, and the fashion in which he did it is why he will always be vilified. Yes, most people will forget this, but that says more about our crappy society than it says about LeBron.

by legendarywalton on Jul 9, 2010 12:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

Absolutely Fair

He should be vilified for the way he handled this whole mess. I’d like that vilification to remain in a different context than actual crimes, etc., but he did Cleveland dirty, no doubt.

As for the first point, again, it’s absolutely fair. My question is how long did he owe to the city? And I’m not trying to be snarky or rhetorical. Honestly, say he signs the rumored 3-year deal, CLE remains a 50-60 win regular season team, never getting it done in the playoffs, constantly right up against the cap. Would it have been more acceptable to leave? Could he have ever become basketball’s Ray Bourque, where Clevelanders are okay with him moving on, and cheer if he won a ring?

Again, I’m genuinely asking, hope it doesn’t come across in any other way.

by MD413 on Jul 9, 2010 12:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

+1

he dont owe cleveland a got dam thing!

they sound like some real bitches in CLE. i thought they were harder than that.

CLE owner sounds likes a vengeful girlfriend that just got dumped by the best dude she will EVER have and is now spiriling into KA-RAY-ZEE mode. to CLE owner: good luck on winning that chip before MIA. im sure youll never eat crow or look like a fucking idiot for that statement.

by calvin brodus on Jul 9, 2010 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Lockout is coming

It was some low down shit, just the whole circus of how it played out and how morbidly shocking it was to see the Cavs and the entire CLE community get done like that. Part of it is ESPN and the fans totally eating up Lebron’s marketing monster. But the system is also to blame and all of the intentional tanking that took place on many teams part (Miami, NY, NJ) fed into this spectacle. Then for Bosh, Wade, Bron to act like they all took the high road and sacrificed to be winners is disgusting. I am convinced there needs to be changes, we have already seen how the cut throat nature of maximum contracts can ruin a franchise for a whole decade like what happened with Kenyon.

I am pretty sure the owners will be pissed off enough to clash with these ego maniac players and probably lock out basketball after next season. I just hope that the incident will stick out as a lasting embarrassment for the league and ensure that another fan base won’t be subject to this kind of humiliation again. Don’t even wanna think about that happening to Denver I don’t give a shit if its the Broncos town or whatever.

However Andrew, I don’t feel bad about Toronto at all. They knowingly screwed themselves time after time and had no reason to hope for holding onto their great player. What happened in Cleveland could not have been any more different than what happened in TOR.

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by runningdonut on Jul 9, 2010 12:20 AM MDT reply actions  

Affect on Melo

As I said in another thread. This all but guarantees Melo signs the extension with Denver. If Lebron went to NY then I think our chances of losing Melo would have been increased. Now, with just Amare there there’s no reason for him to go

Lebron is a douchebag for the spectacle of the program tonight. However, Lebron did NOT destroy the Cavs by leaving. The Cavs did it to themselves. They always knew this was a possibility, and rather prepare for the contingency they mortgaged their future in hopes of “appeasing” Lebron. Toronto didn’t do the same….in fact I’d say Toronto has done a better job (outside of that lousy contract for Hedo) of preparing for Bosh to leave by adding pieces that are not quite there, but more future building. The Cavs chose to be afraid of Lebron leaving rather than facing it head on.

One more thing Andrew….You should NOT regret re-upping your tix for the Nuggets this year. You are a FAN remember? You support the Nuggets through thick and thin and I’d wager to say you are a good fan. So what if those games are boring and the Nuggets blow someone out. Quite frankly we didn’t have ENOUGH of that last year with the Nuggets and I will gladly take a walkover over a close loss any day. Chin up my friend. The NBA will be just fine

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by jpage78 on Jul 9, 2010 12:20 AM MDT reply actions  

Toronto is only marginally better off....but at least they accepted reality

I’m sorry Cavs fans….I seriously dislike Lebron James. Borderline hate.

Is there reason for hope? Maybe. Much like if Melo leaves the Nuggets it will be REALLY rough for a couple years. However, with smart drafting and adding some nice complimentary pieces you can create a TEAM under the new collective bargaining structure. The playing field will be leveled off quite a bit once a hard cap is in place.

Chins up Cavs. While things will be rough for a couple seasons….it will get better. I hope if Melo leaves our front office would be smart and make a team we are all proud of.

Although Dan Gilbert…..ummmmm….not classy dude. Not classy at all

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by jpage78 on Jul 9, 2010 12:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

re: Dan Gilbert

He said what we were all thinking.

by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 9, 2010 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yup

I agree with his refusal to be politically correct in his phrasing. Think about regular Joes, if after 7 years on a job you go on TV/radio/internet/text to tell your boss, coworkers, and customers that you quit, how well do you think your exit interview will go? And a refernce…forget about it.

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 9, 2010 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ummm, no

He said what a faction of people who have been paying attention to this whole thing were thinking, and mostly what Cleveland fans were thinking. If Melo doesn’t sign an extension and leaves next year I’m sure many many people on this blog will take it extremely personal and feel betrayed. Guess what? GET OVER IT! Life goes on and ultimately your fandom should be with the team, not with certain players.

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 9, 2010 11:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

not even close to the same thing

LeBron grew up in Cleveland, Dan Gilbert tried his hardest to load the roster with talent so LeBron would have the best chance to win.

Melo sure as hell isn’t from Denver, and our FO hasn’t done shit for him. That’s the difference.

by higgyhoops12 on Jul 10, 2010 1:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Trying your hardest in professional sports doesn't cut it

Like Colin Cowherd once said when speaking of professional sports, “effort’s overrated.” He goes on to say the effort without results, really doesn’t get you anywhere, but results without effort, still results. That’s what buisness is all about and Gilbert above all people should have known that. Making useless trades for players such as Wally Szerbiack, Delonte West and Ben Wallace doesn’t do anything for a player like Lebron. You can win with anybody coming off the bench as long as you have star power to begin with. Bottom line, Lebron never had the best chance to win in Cleveland and never was going to. And who really cares if Lebron was from Ohio? Like I have already said, people were going to criticize Lebron one way or another, wheather it was to stay in Cleveland where he wouldn’t have won any titles, or leaving his hometown to persue them. He couldn’t have done anyting to please anybody.

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 10, 2010 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, well me too

But it doesn’t make me hate him and think any less of him because of it. People are acting like this guy comitted murder or something, it’s ridiculous.

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 12, 2010 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah

“…your fandom should be with the team, not with certain players.”

After the Jazz moved from New Orleans all we had were the Saints. Look how long it took us to win the superbowl. We didn’t do it with Archie Manning or Kenny Stabler. Who could have predicted the team we ended up with to win.

Anyway, I love my Nuggets. (In a non sexual way I mean).

by MMGraves on Jul 10, 2010 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nobody can hold it against Carmelo

After all, the Front Office hasn’t really shown that they want to be title contenders. We’re beaten up, and it’s the Off-Season!

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by Mini Hulk on Jul 10, 2010 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Lebron at least could've told his decision personally to Gilbert

I mean we’re not talking about some random teammate, Dan Gilbert is the owner of the franchise. Obviously if he thinks he and Lebron have a long history he expects Lebron to tell him the decision privately. But instead, he and everyone else have to hear him say it on TV.

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by Ryen on Jul 9, 2010 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Classless. Pure and simple. Classless. I’m all aboard the “fuck Lebron” bandwagon. And I used to like the guy.

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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 9, 2010 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

i never thought anybody would overtake agent zero...

but after reading his letter to lebron for a third time, im convinced the cavs owner is officially the craziest gilbert in the nba.

by calvin brodus on Jul 9, 2010 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

LeBronukkah is over

First of all I want to say I don’t give a crap about Cleveland. As one guy said on Deadspin, “It’s Cleveland. It blows. There’s nothing to do in that town except masturbate and cry.” LeBrand has every right to move to another city. He was a total jackass for not telling his former employer ‘hey, I’m outta here’ but that kind of shit always comes back to haunt you.

LeBrand’s silly nicknames like King James and The Chosen One really should make you just laugh. He’s a talented player but I have never watched a Cav’s game and thought, this guy is better than anyone I have ever seen play. In fact, I hate watching him because he believes he is entitled to special treatment. If history is kind to NBA fans all over, this guy will never win a championship.

One big disappointment is I used to sell my Cleveland tickets every year so I don’t have to watch LeBrand. I always liked watching Wade though. Now I have to sell the Miami tickets. Dang.

As far as my season tickets go, I won’t trade them in even if we have to go back to Big Mac to watch the games.

Last of all I want to say LeBrand is a coward. All the talk about building a team around a superstar blah blah blah. He can’t handle the pressure so he went to play on the Eastern Conference all-star team. A guy with balls would have said, fuck it, I’m going to New Jersey; I’m gonna design the team around me, I’m gonna be the superstar, and I’m gonna sell Coca Cola in Russia. I feel like Kobe Bryant would have been tall enough to take on that, Jordan too. LeBrand fell short.

by MMGraves on Jul 9, 2010 12:52 AM MDT reply actions  

We, as fans, gave Michael Jordan the nickname "His Airness"

LeBron named himself “King James”.

How does THAT sound to you guys?

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by Agaliarept on Jul 9, 2010 12:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

'King James'

Under the real King James, The Golden Age of Elizabethan literature flourished with writers such as William Shakespeare gaining popularity and keeping it even today.
Under LeBrand James I suppose Nike selling muppets have had a renaissance of sorts but I don’t think its worth crowing about.

For all of his bluster, LeBrand is an attention seeking child. Let’s give it to him. Every time he shows up in your home town and does his stupid chalk in the air thing, everyone in the stands should laugh as loud as possible.

by MMGraves on Jul 9, 2010 1:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

Melo's gotta see the backlash that's going on and say to himself

“no no…..I don’t wanna go through that shit….where do I sign”

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by jpage78 on Jul 9, 2010 1:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

We can only hope

That the backlash only gets worse for him. He has to be the most hated figure in sports RIGHT NOW.

Just pray Derek Jeter doesn’t go and eat a puppy or something and we should be good for a while

by TheFightingFarsi on Jul 9, 2010 1:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

My boss is from that country

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 9, 2010 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

AGREEED.....He's busy having a VH-1 reality show about his wedding.

Melo doesn’t strike me as one who needs all that nonsense

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by SDcat09 on Jul 9, 2010 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

I hope Melo has some good agents

Ones that can/will capitalize on the vacuum left by King James.

by MMGraves on Jul 9, 2010 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

VH1 shows are all nonsense

but I think this show has more to do with Lala having connections with VH1 than Melo wanting to be on TV.

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by Phil H. on Jul 9, 2010 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

good point

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by SDcat09 on Jul 9, 2010 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

i'm an old school guy and i can't understand why all

these superstars feel there intitled to huge contracts and championship rings. what ever happend to loyalty,heart and team work? i’m glad a bunch of teams are throwing around boats loads of cash because in the end its only going to cripple a team a few years down the line. (nuggets kmart rings a bell) with the new cba coming those teams will be screwed. maybe denvers doing the right things right now to anticipate the future and not selling there souls for a quick championship with a team full of overpaid superstars.

by tknuckle on Jul 9, 2010 1:26 AM MDT reply actions  

I have to disagree with the premis a bit here tknuckle

Loyalty cuts both ways, ask NFL players what it’s like to be randomly cut when you get injured. There’s business….then there’s business.

Lebron didn’t owe the people of Cleveland anything other than leaving with a shred of dignity. He didn’t and he’s quite rightly getting crucified for it right now. He left as a carefully choreographed coward on cable TV. I have zero problem with him leaving. I have a HUGE problem with the utterly classless way he left

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by jpage78 on Jul 9, 2010 1:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Something that NEEDS to be emphasized more in all this

Is that ESPN needs to go retard itself out of existence.

Pinnacle of sports journalism my ass.

by TheFightingFarsi on Jul 9, 2010 1:53 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

True dat

I said the other day that I think it woul be a brilliant idea to create a sports network that rivals ESPN but doesn’t hype Lebron, the Yankees, etc. and has better shows. Idk, it would be sweet.

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 9, 2010 11:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

bulls;;t he does owe the fans in cleveland

there the ones who spent the hard earned pay to go to games and watch the HOME TOWN HERO play for cleveland. lebron is selfish and only cares about one thing and i have a problem with that.

by tknuckle on Jul 9, 2010 1:53 AM MDT reply actions  

He destroyed his own legacy..

I like what Reggie Miller said.

“Wade has already won the championship in Miami. It’s his team. Wade is Derek Jeter and Lebron is A-Rod. Lebron will never be ‘the guy’ in Miami”

He will never be the legend like Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird and etc.

by Buckz on Jul 9, 2010 2:06 AM MDT reply actions  

I hate reggie Miller, but he's never been more right

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 9, 2010 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't agree

Lebron just garners too much attention for him not to be the #1 guy no matter where he is. I think this turns into Lebron’s team asap and I don’t see Wade having a problem with it because he’s laid back guy who doesn’t need the spotlight really.

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 9, 2010 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Boozer out of Utah. Stoudemire out of Phoenix. I feel like, Pre-Cancer, we had the Lakers’ number. Things to get interesting in the west. Now we just need to get rid of Smith; he’s a poison. A smith trade, an added big plus a utility big man, and a nice run and we have one more year before we’re back to “Investment in the Future” kenny Battle, Greg Anderson, Anthony Cook status.

And LeBron is a big ol’ Douche Bag. Plain and Simple. LeDouche.

by CaddyJack on Jul 9, 2010 3:39 AM MDT reply actions  

I agree, the West got a whole lot easier and the East should be much tougher

That should be enough of a reason for Melo to stay with us in the West. Knicks ain’t winning shit for another 25 years anyway.

And Lebron should be hated not for what he did but how he did it. People everywhere except Cleveland would get over the fact that he went to Miami as soon as basketball started up again. But to drag everyone along and then have a TV special about it is just ridiculous. That’s like stabbing your girlfriend to death, filming it, then giving the tape to news organizations so you can have an hour long special where you describe how you did it and what your feelings about it are. Oh, and also you get cameras on her family so you can show their reactions too. RATINGS!!! Watching that bar in Cleveland react to the news was like watching an execution.

Yep. That’s exactly what it’s like.

by skithebert on Jul 9, 2010 8:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

+1

To go on national TV and say you’re going to Miami is unheard of. The worst thing was that he didn’t look like he gave a damn about the fans in Cleveland. He didn’t look upset, nor happy. He simply showed no emotion, and that’s what bothers me most.
It’s one thing to leave, but to go out the way he did is unacceptable. The fans in Cleveland just couldn’t believe that the’re hometown kid quit on them against the Celtics, then bolted for Miami because he doesn’t believe in himself. Now he has to realize that he’s no longer the go-to-guy. Miami is Dwayne Wades’s team and either he accepts it or he’s going to look like a bigger ass then he does already.

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by Mini Hulk on Jul 9, 2010 8:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

Although

In honor of Lebron I am, from now on referring to myself as “myself.” As in, ‘You took kind of a long break for lunch didn’t ya?" “I was just explorin the best opportunity for myself.” “Well, how would you like to be exploring that opportunity in the unemployment line?” “Well, it was a difficult decision, but I, Myself, at the end of the day, had to make the best decision for myself at that time.”

by CaddyJack on Jul 9, 2010 3:58 AM MDT reply actions  

Players do OWE fans

The one concept that I can’t escape from this bullshit circus we just endured is the concept that LBJ “doesn’t owe Cleveland [or their fans]” anything.

The hell he and every other NBA player doesn’t. They ‘owe’ us everything. It is the fans that buy tickets, pay for league pass, jerseys, hats, t-shirts, etc. – and provide the viewership that allows for massive TV contracts. It is the fans who use their teams aspirations as a social binding rod – giving us all collective hopes and dreams – which, for the lucky, are fulfilled in joyous rapture.

Imagine if you will – you’re the parent of a 10 yr old boy in Cleveland. He loves basketball. All he wanted for his birthday was a LeBron jersey. Through his eyes, you know he sees James as a hero – a flesh and blood Superman that is fighting for you. And in this moment, you know that his idol has walked away, and you now have to explain why he did it. You’re a good parent too, so you’ll also have to explain why ‘how’ he did it was so wrong.

Once you’re done explaining to him all of this, think of the tickets you paid for to take your son to see James play. Think about that small droplet that you contributed to making players like him rich beyond your wildest dreams. And then think about that it is the sum accumulation of our collective droplets that makes every NBA players’ dreams come true.

So they owe us. They owe us for our money, our faith, our adulation, our occasional unending support despite being treated like garbage. In an ideal world, it should at least be repaid in kind. But James gave neither that or consideration.

by theflusher on Jul 9, 2010 5:17 AM MDT reply actions  

this sounds good in theory...

but not so much in practice.

just because i went to a nuggs game and bought a beer doesnt mean melo is married to denver…and he shouldnt be. this is america, you dont anybody jack squat and you can live/work/play anywhere you god damn like.

i dont like this implication that cities “own” players. that players have to live and die for the team they are curently playing for. these players arent fucking property. theyre grown men with families and they can work for any employer (ball for any team) they damn well please.

theflusher, im not directing that only at you. im getting that impression from lots of posts on here.

is it shitty to be a CLE fan this morning? for sure. but theyll live. its only a game for fans. for players its a job and life. they have to choose accordingly.

by calvin brodus on Jul 9, 2010 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not to sound too callous but...

If you let your kid think LeBrand is a hero when there are A.) Other tremendously greater athletes out there and B.) Hello, people like Abraham Lincoln, MLK, Ben Franklin etc. existed, then you have bigger problems than you realize.
These guys are not hero’s. I haven’t seen LeBrand help any old ladies cross the street or rescue cats from trees. And believe me, if he HAD done those things, there would have been an hour long special on ESPN about it.

by MMGraves on Jul 9, 2010 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Kids don't read nowadays

So Abe, Ben and the good Dr are as foriegn to them as the heels of history, Napoleon, Atilla, Bennedict Arnlod etc. Damn lazy, no book reading lil bastards.

Lebooboo can’t even attempt to walk old ladies across the street these days, otherwise there will be an hour long special on the SUV that clipped him.

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 9, 2010 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Really?

If an SUV clipped him, not only would the guy who “accidentally” did it get horribly murdered by LeBron James’ 100-man team of “advisers”, but there would be a twelve-hour-long special on ESPN that live broadcasts LeBron from his hospital bed

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by LACK on Jul 9, 2010 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

So what is he supposed to do?

Stay in Cleveland and play with terrible sidekicks like Mo Williams and Anderson Varejao? It’s ridiculous how Kevin Garnett gets a free pass for demanding a trade for the EXACT SAME reason LeBron left as a free agent. Lebron didn’t want to blow his career with a mediocre team that wasn’t helping him get closer to a title. Hell, if my team’s big acquisitions for an entire season were Anthony Parker and Antawn Jamison, I’d quit during the playoffs too.

I’m happy for Lebron, because now he’ll get to pursue titles instead of fly-fishing. Andrew, you and the rest of the haters can save all of this bitterness for next year when Carmelo leaves. Don’t be mad at Lebron, be mad at his GM.

by Nick C. on Jul 9, 2010 5:51 AM MDT reply actions  

I think the post is more a criticism of the system in general

A system in which teams can become instant contenders by signing three of the Olympic national team’s starting five. And the teams that missed, or lost Olympic national starters, end up signing Travis Outlaw to $35 million.

also, a very smug Lebron James image plastered under the words “The Decision” and the continual stream of “he is the king” “king james” “chosen one” “the king will ascend his throne” “fit for a king” despite failing hard in the playoffs

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by Ryen on Jul 9, 2010 7:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

The system isn't broken

All three of those guys agreed to 5-6 year contracts knowing that the rest of the roster would be shaky every year. They have two shooters so far and no depth in the front court. There are several weaknesses associated with strapping all your cash on three players. Boston’s lucky Rondo turned out to be incredible or they’d be proof.

I’m not saying Miami won’t be a great team. I AM saying that they’re still a ways away right now, and are relying on journeymen and over-the-hill veterans to fill out their roster, which is a dangerous proposition.

Everyone complaining about the system makes me sick. It’s ok to throw 65 million at Carmelo so he’ll stay in a town to which he has virtually no ties, but the minute Lebron leaves Cleveland and takes less money to play basketball with his two best friends and chase a championship he’s ruining the game.

The way I see it, Cleveland had 4 years to show they were serious about keeping Lebron. You don’t do it by throwing parades and making fans wave signs. You do it by making smart trades, getting talent in the door and taking a risk when you’re close. Cleveland refused to part with Hickson if it meant getting Amare. They deserve what they get.

by Nick C. on Jul 9, 2010 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

how is a team with the best record in the nba the last 2 years a mediocre team

lebron didn’t get it done when his team needed him. that’s why he will never be the greatest or even close.

by skithebert on Jul 9, 2010 8:08 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ridiculous

I guess we’ll see how many games Lebron is worth when the Cavs field the exact same team next year and fail to make the playoffs entirely. Maybe when he proves that he’s worth 30 games by himself you’ll shut up about him not being “the greatest or even close”.

Also, any player that could be considered “the greatest or even close” had help. Jordan, Russell, Chamberlain, West, Jabbar…pick one. Lebron’s help? Mo Williams. And uh…. Yeah.

Save the verbal vomit about Lebron. He carried the team to a conference finals by himself and single-handedly beat the Pistons in the process. That’s good enough for you to get off his back.

by Nick C. on Jul 9, 2010 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Chicago is terrible

Rose Noah and the other 6 players added together aren’t worth DWade, let alone Bosh. People continually give the Bulls too much credit because they want to see Chicago being a good team. Remember when all the hype was about Tyson Chandler and Elton Brand? Or Kirk Hinrich and Luol Deng? Or Andres Nocioni?

by Nick C. on Jul 9, 2010 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I never gave a crap about the Bulls either but...

Noah, Rose and LeBron would be a great triple threat. Who is going to play center over in Miami? Not Bosh. I guess LeBron will have to do that until they find a minimum has been to take that role. Maybe Shaq will go back to Miami.

by MMGraves on Jul 9, 2010 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think

We’ll probably see Brad Miller take a small deal to play there. I would LOVE to see Shaq there though.

by Nick C. on Jul 9, 2010 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Your KG comparo is off base dude

KG spent what? Like 1000 regular season NBA games in Minnesota before going to the Celtics on the downside of his career? Whatever the number, he didn’t bolt in the prime of his career, or after his rookie contract ran out. He reupped at least once and the fans in Minny were gracious and happy to see their guy go somewhere to get a crown before he retired… which he’ll probably do after next year. Totally different.

LeBron is like someone said above quoting Reggie Miller – ARod at best

by stiffy on Jul 9, 2010 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

Oh ok

Lebron played almost 600 regular season games for Cleveland. And he obviously reupped his contract once, because he played 7 seasons for Cleveland and rookies can only get 6 year deals.

by Nick C. on Jul 9, 2010 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

You know it's not the same

Rather LBJ had a 2nd deal from Cleveland once already or not…. KG left once his time in Minny got exhausted. LBJ left too soon. In a nut shell, that’s it and you know it.

by stiffy on Jul 9, 2010 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

And ask KG if he'd do it differently and he'd say absolutely

KG has mentioned many times how if he had the opportunity to change teams in his career he would have done it. That’s EXACTLY what he told the media after the Celtics beat the Cavs this year in the playoffs. Plus, what is a few extra years of not making the playoffs just to be honorable and loyal? Lebron gave 7 years to that city and continuously got no help. People just seem to expect Lebron to win a title all by himself, which is ridiculous. They compare him to Jordan but Jordan’s sidekicks were like gods compared to Mo Williams, a 37 year old Shaq and Larry Hughes. Magic, Jordan, Bird and Kobe all had multiple Hall of Famers on their teams, so it’s only fitting Lebron should as well.

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 10, 2010 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Personally, I don't think Pippen is the best comparison

Pippen was seen as secondary to Jordan everywhere.

I think A. Rod is more appropriate. Outside of NY, A. Rod and Jeter have similar start power, but NY fans will always hold Jeter in higher regard.

Same thing will happen in Miami. James and Wade will be seen as equals outside the fan base, but Wade will always be the guy to Heat fans.

by jwkcsu on Jul 9, 2010 6:45 AM MDT reply actions  

Lebron is an idiot

He should’ve seen this coming. Maybe he did. In any case he just became probably the most hated player in the NBA. Who can respect a guy who goes on national TV, on an ESPN special called “The Decision,” and announces he’ll be leaving the team that drafted him, and raised him, and did a pretty ok job at filling the roster around him (with the exception of their horrible horrible head coach). I don’t care how talented that guy is. Yesterday was certainly a low point in his career.

And I hate what this does to the league. Completely agree with Andrew. The system is broken, and this is just evidence. When six or seven teams throw away years of contention for the chance of signing a guy like Lebron, and end up with nothing, that’s not right. And it’s not just Cleveland and Toronto that were buried. New York is pretty much screwed now, assuming Melo reups and CP3 doesn’t end up there. New Jersey wasted $35 mil on Travis Outlaw?!?!?!

I guess I’m just jealous of Miami’s fanbase. They get to enjoy three great players for a long time, simply because they’re lucky enough to be in a great location and have a smart president. They haven’t had to suffer through years of failure, and rebuilding, and playoff series. Nuggets fans had to go through decades of underachieving or flat out terrible teams, with only a handful of bright spots, to get to the perennial playoff contender they have today. The Nuggets had to work drafts (well like two maybe), bring in young guys like Melo and Nene, make shrewd trades to bring leadership to the team, and go through front offices and even coaches to get here, and even now they are still only the third best team in the West.

Miami? Their franchise only came into existence in the 90s. They kinda sucked for a while but it was relatively brief. In any case they won their first championship by luring a big name free agent who likes sunny weather. One championship more than Denver and its much longer history has. Now they get the opportunity to win multiple championships (or at least be a threat) by luring a bunch of free agents who enjoy sunny weather. It might be resentment talking, but I don’t feel like the fanbase deserves that. What have they suffered through? The terrible awful team name?

At the same time though, I’m glad Denver was never in this whole free agency charade. We might not get to see 3/5 of the All-Star starting lineup every night, but we get to see guys who we’ve grown attached to over the years, who we root for on both a competitive and personal level.

Remember when Lebron was asked if the championship would’ve been sweeter in Cleveland than Miami? And he was all “championships are championships?” You could tell that at that moment he knew, just like everybody knew, that winning it in Cleveland would have been ten times sweeter. In Cleveland, you would’ve brought a desperate, flailing franchise to the top. It would’ve been in your home state. It would’ve been with your teammates and coaches and fans that you’ve been with for the past seven years. A championship in Cleveland would’ve been hailed as a classic sports story, one that would leave a permanent legacy.

He threw away the chance to become a legendary and unique sports hero, though, in the interest of “winning.” He decided to go to Miami, where he can have fun being the right arm and left leg of a Frankenstein team.

Our team was grown; their team was bought. In the end that’s how I’ll remember Lebron’s “Decision.”

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by Ryen on Jul 9, 2010 7:25 AM MDT reply actions  

There's nothing wrong with "the system"

How can you seriously blame the system for bad management? When you have 5 to 6 teams clearing cap space for years to sign one guy you have to know that there is a great chance that you won’t get him. The bottom line is it was pure stupidity to sandbag your franchise for years at a CHANCE to get a guy. There were no guarantees. At the end of the day it was bad management and nothing more. You can’t blame the system for that.

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 10, 2010 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

You're right. The system is totally broken.

I think the team’s minimum salary should be higher, so they don’t waste 2~3 years for nothing.

by Buckz on Jul 9, 2010 7:46 AM MDT reply actions  

I actually think this bodes well for us

If James had chose the Knicks, I think it would be a foregone conclusion that Melo would be right behind him. But I don’t see Melo going to NY now that he would be the man there, and if they fail, it would all be on him and I don’t think he would like the NY media. He can stay in Denver, continue to win and not face that much heat because he has the built in excuse that Kiki handcuffed this organization for the next year, so until we get K-mart out of here and can get a legit front court pressence,Melo will have no pressure. I think he takes the extension and continues to be a Nugget.

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by Broncoman on Jul 9, 2010 8:24 AM MDT reply actions  

+1

Plus the Lakers may lose Phil, and are getting older and hence more injury prone. With a good, full year head coach, and even the same team they had last year, the Nugs could be the big dogs in the West. Who here didn’t believe the West Conf Finals in 2010 was the Nugs and Lakers before cancer?
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by Namklak on Jul 9, 2010 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

If LeBron's really the "King"

why couldn’t he win one in Cleveland?

by higgyhoops12 on Jul 9, 2010 8:33 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

LeBron

Bravo Andrew! Excellently done and right on.

by jjbugs on Jul 9, 2010 8:41 AM MDT reply actions  

Well...

At least we know who will be at the top of the next Stiff List…

by m_chan on Jul 9, 2010 8:42 AM MDT reply actions  

I agree 100%

Miami = most hated team in NBA

LeBron = most hated player

Poor move LePout.

I can’t believe that I’m saying this, but I would even cheer for the Lakers and Kobe over LeBron and Miami right now.

FYI – could anyone ever imagine Jordan quitting a team in his prime to join the Pistons to win a championship? He would have sooner slit his own wrists. That is why LeBron will never hold a candle to MJ, or even Kobe. It is one thing for a player to cash in his chips at the end of his career to find a ring (KG), it is quite another for the world’s best player to join his butt buddies for a side show run….all while screwing his home town on national TV. Stay classy LePout.

by Pusherman on Jul 9, 2010 8:50 AM MDT reply actions  

Melo

Dont think Melo leaving Denver i think he’s more dedicated than Lebron sincxe Melo been in Denver things changed better each year no allstar squad kobe cant handle Melo agaINST THE NBA best im from baltimore been following this man hold out on dat contract could be to tell the nuggets make some moves on the bench atleast

by dontestarr on Jul 9, 2010 8:57 AM MDT reply actions  

Don't take this the wrong way but...

Melo now has even greater incentive to say “eff it” and go to NYK. There is zero chance of any team outside the Lakers and Heat making the finals in the next year, and even if Kobe retires the year after (he won’t) and the Nuggets could win the West, there’s still no toppling the Heat ultimately (barring injury of course). So if that’s the thought in the back of Melo’s mind why wouldn’t he say “I guess I’ll just go be the same guy I was in Denver – just in NY instead. At least I’ll get the chance to be the king of a mega-market city and I’ll have just as good a chance running with Amare as I would here in Denver.”

Melo is gone. I would trade him right now. He has no loyalty here, his wife works out of NY, he loves that town, etc…

by stiffy on Jul 9, 2010 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Except for the fact that he loves it in Denver and has said before that he wants to play here his whole career

Plus, dollars.

I still don’t think Melo declines the extension

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by Ryen on Jul 9, 2010 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

LeBron said he loves Cleveland

Look how that turned out.
All I’m saying is that we should be prepared, just in case the worst happens.

I won’t hold anything against Carmelo Anthony because of everything he has done for this organization.

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by Mini Hulk on Jul 9, 2010 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

Melo didn't grow up in Denver technically

I think he does like being a big fish in a medium pond. He might think he wants to conquer NY , but I don’t know if that’s really want he wants. He wants to WIN. I think he knows he can win here.

Stoudemire isn’t going to save a pathetic franchise. Neither will Melo

If Melo leaves, and does it with class, I’d be crushed, but wouldn’t feel betrayed.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 9, 2010 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Knicks are the most pathetic franchise in the NBA

they will find away to lose no matter how much they are spending, Melo should recognize this, he live in NY when he retires.

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by Phil H. on Jul 9, 2010 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

*can live

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by Phil H. on Jul 9, 2010 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I never said anything about 'Melo growing up in Denver

I just said that I wouldn’t hold it against him IF he left.

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by Mini Hulk on Jul 9, 2010 9:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't recall the "I want to play here my whole career"

But I could be wrong.

Every guy who thinks he’s a star gets a case of championship-itis at some point too, or at least wants to feel like he’s on top of the world. For the latter and Melo, that would mean going to NY, not staying here.

by stiffy on Jul 9, 2010 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think Melo jumps ship

All signs point to that. Besides, he and Amare are friends. I’m not going to lose any sleep over it, I just hope that if it does happen that I can respect the way Melo handles it after it’s all said and done.

by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 9, 2010 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not watching the NBA for a while may improve my golf swing...or my alcoholism

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 9, 2010 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

He bought a house in LA

And has his own airplane. It’s a small world for him. He can go wherever he wants, whenever he wants. He doesn’t have to be based in NYC to get the big deals.

by MMGraves on Jul 9, 2010 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

Kleiza to Toronto

Benjamin Hochman reported that LK is going to Toronto….4 years, 20 million. Moving on and using the extra money to build a TEAM? Yes! Bummer though…I was hoping LK would return to the Nugs. According to Hochman he played “splendidly” in Greece. We missed him last year.

by passtheball on Jul 9, 2010 9:15 AM MDT reply actions  

for the first time in my life

i am now rooting for Kobe. I’ve hated the Lakers for so long, but atleast I have respect for guys like Fish and Kobe and P-Jax. Let’s face it, no matter what Miami does, with the little cap room they have, there is no way they can find a competent big man and a back up big. Bosh is overrated, proved by the fact that Kenyon routinely shut him down while his knees barely held together by a thread. Odom, Bynum, and Gasol will pound the Heat down low, just like they crushed the Jazz when the only big man they had was a 6 9 booze man.

BTW, looks like Utah is out of the running for next year?

by jb22 on Jul 9, 2010 9:22 AM MDT reply actions  

btw

Phoenix has fallen too, and that was a team that Denver had more trouble with than the Lakers

Looks like its LA Denver and OKC next year in the West, with Portland, Dallas, and Houston in pursuit.

by jb22 on Jul 9, 2010 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nah

I’d say it’s LA in the West, with Houston, OKC, Portland, Denver, and Dallas in pursuit. In that order, too. Maybe LAC too … wait no just kidding.

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by Ryen on Jul 9, 2010 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

cant forget Memphis

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by m3llofan on Jul 9, 2010 7:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Laker - Heat final

Perfect time for “the big one” to finally hit LA.

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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 9, 2010 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not to mention

That June is hurricane season in the gulf…we may get a double whammy

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 9, 2010 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Although remember the last time a hurricane impacted an NBA team?

Hornets played in OKC for two years.

Here’s hoping that they play in Raleigh, N.C. if this happens.

Why? So the JordancatsBobcats can say “get the f*** out of North Carolina. This is MY state”

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by LACK on Jul 9, 2010 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rooting for Kobe in any way, shape or form being a Nugs fan is sickning

But rooting for Kobe for the simple fact that you didn’t like the way Lebron James switched teams is even more sickning.

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 10, 2010 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't see Miami getting past Gilbert Arenas' team in the playoffs

Or I guess it is Kirk Hinrich’s team now. Obviously, that would make sense, since Hinrich is Washington’s only point guard, unless if they sign Shaun Livingston.

However, Hamady N’Diaye could get the title of “franchise player”, mainly because he’s their only guy who is 7’0" and weighs over 200 pounds (JaVale McGee, on the other hand, probably weighs around 20 or 30 pounds).

But, yeah, it’s definitely either Arenas’ team or N’Diaye’s team.

If only Washington had their first round draft pick instead of trading it to the Nuggets for Anthony Carter… they could have gotten this Wall guy…

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by LACK on Jul 9, 2010 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Kobe comes out kinda sympathetic in all of this

and it makes me want to cut my eyes out…but after he picked Germany to win the WC I kinda had to give him some respect although they didn’t win..so FU Kobe(now I feel better).

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by Phil H. on Jul 9, 2010 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

In the battle of Kobe and LeBron

I choose for them to duel and kill each other. Then we all win.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 9, 2010 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

In a battle between Kobe and Bron

METEOR WINS!

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by LACK on Jul 9, 2010 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Didn’t watch it but heard part of it on the radio. Sounded embarrassing for Lebron. Choosing to play somewhere else was his choice. The way he handled it was about as classless as he possibly could have. So, does the NBA even have a salary cap? And if they do, how is Miami going to fill the rest of their roster?

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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 9, 2010 9:46 AM MDT reply actions  

To be like LeBron and quote myself...

They are gonna look at the royalty tax and say fuck it.

by MMGraves on Jul 9, 2010 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Until the NBA puts a hard cap into place, like the NFL

you can forget about any semblance of parity in this league. Ultra-rich or not, owners in big markets can always spend well over the soft cap without worrying about how they’re going to make that back.

by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 9, 2010 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

If you look at the Lakers' payroll...

It’s gross. So many guys locked up until 2014 or later on deals that pay nearly nine-digits (100 million).

And, even though LA spends 120 to 130 million a year on their roster and coaching, they still make boatloads of money because of their big market and under-the-table money from David “Fuck Small Market Teams like Sacramento and Denver” Stern

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by LACK on Jul 9, 2010 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Did this really surprise anyone?

It was reported all day yesterday that he was going to the Heat. He rented 6 cabanas in South Beach to have a party today. You can’t really tell me you were surprised.

by higgyhoops12 on Jul 9, 2010 9:58 AM MDT reply actions  

Statistical guru says anger attributable to last night

might cost James $150 million. He goes through some correlation between favorability ratings and endorsement money, and uses Brett Favre’s loss of endorsement revenue as an example of lost favorability during his drawn out retirement.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/07/did-lebron-james-just-cost-himself-150.html

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by margabelle on Jul 9, 2010 10:01 AM MDT reply actions  

Bronbron would have had more class to do this.

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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 9, 2010 10:09 AM MDT reply actions  

Nope

He’s trying to be another James, James Harden. Except Harden >>> Lebron

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#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = , and no, it's not because of Anthony Carter.
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by LACK on Jul 9, 2010 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Le’Bron is a clown and we should not root for him. He made a bad business decision, bad basketball decision, and bad PR decision.
His best chance to win argument is BS. Andy makes great points, and let’s not forget that the Cavs gave him the best chance to win. Had Le’Bron not strung his team along, he would have enabled the Cavs to go to the market and attract a “Prince” for their King. Instead, the Cavs had to focus on Lebron only, and every other guy in the market was unwilling to talk to the Cavs because they only wanted to go there if Lebron was there. He put himself and the Cavs in a Catch 22.
What if he was forthright with the Cavs and told them he would stay if they could get a Boozer or Bosh? I bet the Cavs would have done it. Instead, LBJ thinks he can win championships on a team with 3 guys, rather than the minimum 5 and usually 8 that it takes to make a real Championship run.
It’s not 3 on 5 out there.
F Lebron, and ESPN, too.
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by Matthew C on Jul 9, 2010 10:31 AM MDT reply actions  

Right on Matt

He could have gotten Boozer to come back (better than Bosh in my opinion) as a running mate to go with him and Jamison (that ain’t a bad trio at all) and remained king of Ohio and of the NBA and had just as good a shot as in Miami. Let’s not forget that him and his young buddies with zero business sense are galavanting around trying to orchestrate him being king of the media moreso than king of his sport. Now he has Erick Spoolestra as a coach (good luck with that, Riley is going to have to come out of retirement to handle this soap opera) and has to be A-Rod to Wade’s Jeter.

Media Position/LeBron Branding first
Championships second
Money third
Loyalty ~96th

by stiffy on Jul 9, 2010 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

(I'm glad you let us know your a Lakers fan)

This way you think you’ll get more control over another small market team who may agree with you on the subject of Lebron James. But get a grip dude, Kobe is still just as hated as Lebron ever will be and no matter how much we may agree with you on one issue, you’re still never getting any of our sypmathy.

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 10, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

Jimmy Fallon twitter says

Chris Bosh = Rose, DWade = Blanche, PRiley = Sophia and LeBron is such a Dorothy.

by MMGraves on Jul 9, 2010 11:21 AM MDT reply actions  

i can't wait for all the chants to greet LeBron all of next season

everytime he steps to the free throw ling

You’ll Never Win
Kobe’s Better
Overrated
Traitor

by jb22 on Jul 9, 2010 11:27 AM MDT reply actions  

Benedict Arnold

Chant this every time he plays at The Can

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#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = , and no, it's not because of Anthony Carter.
Antoine Walker will win the 2015 NBA 4-point shooting contest. That's right, I said it first.

by LACK on Jul 9, 2010 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Other than the ridiculous TV "special"

What makes this decision retarded and makes LBJ look so bad is Chicago was the obvious basketball choice.

The way he has carried himself over the years. He calles himself the “King”. He has Loyalty and Chosen1 tattooed on himself. He has called his teammates his supporting cast. He wears shirts that say “LBJ MVP”. He quit in game 5 and said he’s has 3 bad games in 7 years and says he “spoils” us with his play and talks about being a winner and a leader and all that bullshit. Then he goes to Dwades town to join him and another big star. Thats a bitch move. Thats a bitch fuckin move.

Seriously…fuck his bitch ass.

by GottaLoveMelo on Jul 9, 2010 11:46 AM MDT reply actions  

Yup

If he went to Chicago, he would have been the #1 option on a team, with a hard nosed PF, a stud PG, and a well rounded and talented supporting cast. A big 3 with support. That would have been my ECF matchup against Orlando.

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 9, 2010 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Get us AL Jefferson,and with TEAM chemistry

We beat Miami like a drum,Lakers too.BYE ByE K-Mart.

by LLOYD C on Jul 9, 2010 11:55 AM MDT reply actions  

I'll do one better than Dan Gilbert

I guarantee Carmelo Anthony will win a title before LeBron James does.

It may not be with the Nuggets, but Melo will win before James.

Swats.

by BeefySwats on Jul 9, 2010 12:53 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

We wish

But realistically, not a chance in hell.

Stiff 4 Life

by GoldenNugget on Jul 10, 2010 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

BIG 10-4 on that LLOYDC

I hope every team in the league gets some bad ass, junk yard dog type defender to get in Lebron’s jersey as soon as he leaves the locker room. With an athletic, deep bench (that GK uses) that runs and plays defense we could make the “elite” teams really hate playing the Nugs at 5,280 feet.

by passtheball on Jul 9, 2010 1:11 PM MDT reply actions  

Seriously?

This is what’s “wrong with the system?” THIS?Not idiot GMs trading away all-star big-men for pennies on the dollar? Not idiot GMs giving eight figures to the likes of Amar’e and JJ? How about teams willfully throwing away the second half of the season for a chance at a higher draft pick? If anything, this is a potential remedy for the last one—why should superstars have to remain stuck to the same badly run franchises that “lucked” into drafting them simply because they were a badly run franchise to begin with?

I honestly can’t understand why this apparently angers Nuggets fans almost as much as it does Cavs fans. LeBron to Miami is pretty much the perfect situation for the Nuggets’ hopes of resigning Melo. At the very least, if LeBron makes the stupid decision to stay in Cleveland, that doesn’t change the fact that the Knicks still have millions in cap space.

As a fan of the Nuggets, I will still obviously rooting for them alone. But as a fan of the NBA, I’m extremely excited to see how this experiment—unprecedented in the history of pro sports—will play out. I actually hear Nuggets “fans” saying they would root for LA if there’s a Lakers-Heat finals. I have one word: blasphemy.

Everyone complaining about James’s decision is a hypocrite. We all whine about professional athletes who are only in it for big paydays and could give a shit about playoff success. We lament the fact that “today’s NBA” puts the individual before the team. At the end of the day, we measure a player by the number of titles he won. Here, we have a situation where three of the top players in the game are willing to make huge sacrifices—not just in terms of money, but also playing style, personal stats, individual accolades, and egos—for the pursuit of a dynasty. We should be celebrating this fact.

Oh, you’re worried about competitive balance? Well, granted, I didn’t check ESPN yet but as far as I’m aware, the Heat haven’t won the 2010-11 title just yet. It will be really fun seeing Melo and Chauncey butting heads with the Three Muskateers. Is the NBA more top-heavy now? Sure. But parity (read: dilution of talent) doesn’t make for exciting, watchable basketball.

by DatDudeMelo on Jul 9, 2010 1:46 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

I don't begrudge LeBron going to Miami, it's the douchey, prima donna, all eyes MUST be on me at all times

methodology. That’s the problem

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by SDcat09 on Jul 9, 2010 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

so if it werent for "the decision" it would all be fine and dandy?

its was a single one hour special. no one was forced to watch it. and otherwise they might have been running soccer on espn…booooooooooring.

by calvin brodus on Jul 9, 2010 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

If he had told the owners, and the fans of Cleveland directly before the BS

and if he had not drug it out of for SOOOOOOO long…yes I think it would have been more well received.

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by SDcat09 on Jul 9, 2010 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would also add his playoff performance

This decision, plus the whole party in Miami this weekend, plus the way he gave up on the Cavs during the playoffs, showing no regret or sympathy toward Cleveland the whole time, is what suddenly turned him into the bad guy.

People not only in Cleveland, but around the country, wanted Lebron to succeed. They wanted him to win that long sought after championship with the Cavs. They wanted him to become the best player in history. But he didn’t want that. Some people are saying maybe it’s just that he’s young? and doesn’t get it? But I think he does get it. I think he knows exactly what he’s doing, and that’s giving up on the chance to be the greatest player ever to have lotsa fun playing with his buddies in a fun city. Sure. Nothing wrong with that, I guess.

He is (was) held to an MJ-like standard (or at the very least a Kobe standard), but his decision shows that he was never at that level to begin with.

There’s also the perception that he “betrayed” his home state and team and fanbase, which Dan Gilbert expressed very publically for whatever reason. Not just leaving. But leaving after failing in the playoffs. He can blame the Cavs front office if he wants to, but that was the best Cavalier team that had been assembled up to that point, and it was Lebron who played terribly and carelessly in key games, and took them out of the running for a ring. Sure they were a flawed team to begin with, not as good as their record, but that was Lebron’s best shot in Cleveland, and he didn’t come through like people expected.

Cleveland’s suffered through a lot sportswise as the media enjoys frequently pointing out. Compared to Cleveland, Miami’s sports history has been very fortunate. Cleveland hasn’t won a championship in virtually forever, and then suddenly one of their teams gets really good, thanks to one guy. That guy is from Ohio. He promises them that he will bring a championship to Cleveland. Calls himself the Chosen One, the King. Then, after bombing out of the playoffs early two years in a row, he then chooses to reject Cleveland and go to sunny Miami, despite the fact that the fans in Miami will never appreciate him the way they did in Cleveland.

Then there’s the whole The Decision thing. And “I’m taking my talents to South Beach.” That was just a nationally televised massaging of his ego.

As to your last paragraph, I just have a completely different philosophy. Parity is exciting and watchable, because more teams have legitimate chances to win, and there are fewer awful teams that you’d never waste your time watching. I don’t think that NJ vs Miami will be very exciting and watchable. Actualy to be honest I don’t think any games involving New Jersey will be exciting and watchable. Or New York. Or Toronto. Or Cleveland. Or Minnesota. Etc.

I agree with you that this is a unique opportunity to have three of the great players of today come together on the same team, but it’s a shame that along the way two franchises and their fanbases had to be ransacked, especially the one that actually expected they could hold on to their star.

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by Ryen on Jul 9, 2010 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Your points are well-taken. However...

I don’t think anyone is really defending The Decision. It was gimmicky, self-centered, and (apparently) worse than slavery, the Holocaust, and the Rwandan Genocide—combined.

My problem is the people crucifying LBJ for the decision itself. Staying in Cleveland would have been the worst possible move for everyone BUT Cavs fans. It was painfully obvious that LeBron was never going to win a title there. It is beyond ridiculous for anyone to expect LeBron to waste away his entire prime in what all likelihood was going to be the fruitless pursuit of being THE MAN who, against all odds, led a squad of rag-tag nobodies to an NBA title… by himself.

Was Chicago a better option than Miami? In the short-term, yes. LBJ with the core of players that Chicago has now would have translated to an immediate title-contender. However, in the long-run, the ceiling of this Miami triumvirate is FAR higher. In Miami, he has the chance of doing, alongside best buds Wade and Bosh, what no other team has done in NBA history. This is about more than just winning titles, this is about more than creating a dynasty. It’s about doing those things with a completely new and innovative blueprint. No one knows for sure whether or not these guys will win the 3-4 rings everyone will be expecting of them in the coming years. But it will be damn fun to watch the experiment.

As to your point that this is far worse BECAUSE it happened after the playoff flameout… when would have been the right time for him to cut the cord with a situation that we should all be sensible enough to acknowledge was not going to end up with an NBA ring anytime soon? What if he re-upped for three more years, then went home early three more years? Would he have earned his right to leave then?

It’s a shame that his last game/series as a Cav was such a stink-bomb. But the punishment for one playoff no-show is being forced to spend your prime years in a failing situation rather than pursuing your dreams of winning titles with your best friends? The timing was shitty, but it is what it is. When would he ever have the opportunity again to do something like this? It was now or never, and the playoff flame-out shouldn’t factor into that decision.

He promised titles? Great. People in the sports world make guarantees that will never come to fruition. It happens all the time. Hell, Dan Gilbert made one last night. It would have been great for LeBron to have brought a title to Cleveland. It would have been the feel-good story of decade (or at least a close second behind the Saints winning the Super Bowl). But the fact that it didn’t happen doesn’t somehow “destroy LeBron’s legacy.”

Finally, with regards to your point of parity: I agree that, in theory at least, parity makes the league more exciting because more teams have a chance to win. However, the NBA is spread far too thin for that dream to come to fruition. There are far too few transcendental superstars to have parity among THIRTY teams. Aside from the ’04 Pistons, when was the last time a team won the NBA title without having at least one veritable superstar?

Because the NBA isn’t going to contract anytime soon, we have to accept the fact that games involving the cellar-dwellers (I’m looking at you, Minnesota) will NEVER be watchable. The NBA will always be top-heavy. What’s not fun about letting the talent make its way over to a few “dream teams” and let these elite battle it out for basketball supremacy? Granted, I suppose it’s far less fun if your team isn’t one of those “elite”… but for now, at least, the Nuggets still are. That’s why I will be enjoying Nuggets-Heat games this season far more than I ever enjoyed Nuggets-Raptors last season (or even Nuggets-Cavs).

You mentioned that you don’t think any games involving the Cavs, Nets, Knicks, Raptors, Clippers, etc., will be exciting and watchable this season. How many LeBrons are there, exactly? Even if LeBron had gone to one of those teams, thereby immediately turning them into an exciting contender, the rest of that pack would still be atrocious and an eyesore. If the worst consequence of LeBron’s decision is that there’s one more team that I won’t give a shit about, I’d say it’s a fair price to pay to see how good this Miami trio can truly be.

by DatDudeMelo on Jul 9, 2010 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

True.

Guess I was just pissed off that so-called Nuggets “fans” actually came out and said that they would root FOR the Lakers when they play Miami. Root FOR the Lakers.

The nerve.

by DatDudeMelo on Jul 9, 2010 5:30 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

I said I’d root for the Celtics to beat Miami, but rooting for the Lakers is just going way too far.

by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 12, 2010 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

I hate the celtics too.

I did not root for the Celtics to win the past NBA finals. I rooted for the Lakers to lose. It’s subtle but it’s there.

by MMGraves on Jul 12, 2010 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

rec'd

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by jpage78 on Jul 9, 2010 5:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1000

Andrew’s “argument” looks like a joke after that.

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 10, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

I think the fact that every sportswriter in the country seemingly felt the need to jump on the dogpile was kind of excessive, particularly all the comparisons to A-Rod. Sure Lebron will be the second guy on the Heat just like A-Rod was, but then again A-Rod’s made it pretty clear he’s a money-first type of guy so those comparisons were a bit harsh. Wait maybe I just hate A-Rod a lot.

It might be fun to watch the experiment. It might just be that I’ve never liked this whole 2010 free agency spectacular to begin with, but I’m not particularly excited. For one thing, that’s just one more hurdle (and a pretty huge one) to overcome should the Nuggets ever make a real championship run. Like you said, it’s not hard to imagine the Heat winning 3, 4, 5 rings in the coming years. For some, that might be great to watch, but I can’t see that as a particularly exciting prospect.

In the end I just can’t shake the whole feeling that Lebron just doesn’t care about Cleveland. He didn’t have much emotion during the interviews; he never really addressed Cavs fans. He didn’t even say he was going to Miami. He said he was going to South Beach. I do agree, he can do whatever he wants. But he should know by now, and I think he does know, how hurt the Cavs fanbase is, how hurt the entire city of Cleveland is. He can say “hey I’m playing with my buddies for less money, I’m all about winning ships,” but that doesn’t mean people aren’t going to be disappointed with his choice. I’d be just as disappointed if Melo were to leave this organization, might even feel “betrayed” depending on circumstances. Sure it might just be a business for them, but it’s not a business for me, it’s a team. That’s probably how all the Cavs fans out there felt.

In some ways, it is hypocrisy. The media built him up as a guy who would one day be the second guy mentioned right after MJ, and are in the process of bringing him down because he wasn’t MJ, because he won’t win it as the face of his franchise, because he didn’t bring the first championship to his city’s basketball team.

Anyway if it’s not clear already, I really do not wish the “experiment” is successful. The blueprint that the 08 Celtics kinda started and today’s Heat are taking to new heights is not one that I endorse. Hopefully wasting years of contention, years of players’ primes, and years of fan interest is not the new way to build dynasties. We’ll see.

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by Ryen on Jul 9, 2010 8:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Don't check ESPN for that info.

“I didn’t check ESPN yet but as far as I’m aware, the Heat haven’t won the 2010-11 title just yet.”

They probably DO say the Heat have won the 2010-11 title. LOL!

by MMGraves on Jul 9, 2010 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thank the lord for DatDudeMelo, someone who finally gets it

No matter what Lebron would have done somebody would have been mad. Because Lebron is supposed to be perfect, right? He’s the King, right? He’s supposed to go down as the best of all time, right? Guess what people? None of those things mentioned are Lebrons fault, they are all your fault! We are the ones that declare this man to be some sort of a Jesus, who’s supposed to win titles with no help, who’s supposed to redeem his city, who’s supposed to let everyone know where he’s going to sign the right way. I guess I just don’t understand the expectations. Who do you want Lebron James to be? Does it ever dawn on you that perhaps the easiest way to let the entire world know about where he was going was an announcement? That’s all it was, a fucking announcement. GET OVER IT!

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 10, 2010 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

By elevating Lebron so high Cleveland

and having a panicked air about them for the last two years….they guaranteed they had zero backup plan for Lebron leaving. That’s where I fault the Cavs.

Two things can be true….Lebron is a douche, and the Cavs fucked themselves and their future.

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by jpage78 on Jul 9, 2010 2:59 PM MDT reply actions  

And they deserved The Drive

And The Shot and The Fumble.

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#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = , and no, it's not because of Anthony Carter.
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by LACK on Jul 9, 2010 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

OK now Gilbert is sounding even more loony

Gilbert also owns fathead and has lowered the Lebron fatheads to $17.41 because 1741 was the birth year of infamous traitor Benedict Arnold.

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by Phil H. on Jul 9, 2010 3:06 PM MDT reply actions  

Are you serious?

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by SDcat09 on Jul 9, 2010 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Heard it on SC

article here

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by Phil H. on Jul 9, 2010 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Awesome

i love when billionaires go to the ultimate degree to spite people…I wonder if ol’ Gil needs a revenge manager. I can think of some real grimey barely legal shit to do to LBJ.

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 9, 2010 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Too funny

I hope he comes dressed in a United Moving Van uniform

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by Broncoman on Jul 9, 2010 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's awesome

Sure he’s being an idiot and probably lowering Cleveland in the eyes of players, but this is great. An owner just publicly expressing the feelings of the entire fanbase. That’s great.

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by Ryen on Jul 9, 2010 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, he would get absolutely shunned by Clevelanders if he did something more PC

And he’s not being stupid. If Melo leaves (which, God Bless his soul, he won’t), I’d also feel that way

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#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = , and no, it's not because of Anthony Carter.
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by LACK on Jul 9, 2010 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well Cleveland's not exactly known for being a free agent destination

Gilbert’s scathing letter about Lebron probably isn’t helping much

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by Ryen on Jul 9, 2010 5:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gilbert's guarantee is preposterous

No FA’s are going there, especially if the owner might try to drag their name through the mud

by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 12, 2010 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

anyone get a call from the nuggets today?

i missed the call but the lady said she has good news for me…haha.

let's go nuggets! who u wit?

by 808inDenver on Jul 9, 2010 3:21 PM MDT reply actions  

Did Kroenke realize that he owns a basketball team, and an NBA one at that?

"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = , and no, it's not because of Anthony Carter.
Antoine Walker will win the 2015 NBA 4-point shooting contest. That's right, I said it first.

by LACK on Jul 9, 2010 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

He thought Nuggets was a new casino in Blackhawk

No wonder he’s pissed that the team isn’t generating revenue.

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 9, 2010 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

One last point, re: Legacy

Perhaps the most annoying and contrived argument people have advanced in the aftermath of The Decision is that LeBron “destroyed his legacy” because “Kobe and MJ never would have done this.”

1. Kobe never would have chosen to “ride someone else’s coattails”? No shit. But guess what? Kobe made the explicit decision to “win a title by himself” (i.e., run Shaq out of town) AFTER HE HAD ALREADY WON THREE TITLES. For fuck’s sake, man. How can anyone possibly compare his situation to LeBron’s after seven ring-less seasons in the league?

2. As soon as Kobe realized that he couldn’t win it all by himself (because clearly, that’s the only way any player can join the discussion of “Best Players Ever” /end_sarcasm), he asked for demanded help. And guess what? He got it. And he won a title because of it. LeBron was entering his eighth season in the league, and yet again, he would be without help. Why on earth should he have come back to that situation? Which brings me to…

3. Anyone who thinks even for a second that Kobe’s ass would still be in LA today had the Lakers never ransacked Pau Gasol from the Grizzlies is out of their damn minds.

4. Oh yeah, and MJ. Would MJ have done this? Of course not. But then again, let’s not forget that MJ got his Pippen FAR before his eighth season in the league, so he wasn’t ever really in this situation either.

by DatDudeMelo on Jul 9, 2010 5:20 PM MDT reply actions  

if rooting for lebron was outlawed

only outlaws would root for lebron.

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by nohoops4u on Jul 9, 2010 6:19 PM MDT reply actions  

And this would be different how?

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by SDcat09 on Jul 9, 2010 6:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Mark my words

The owners and the NBA brass have at least tacitly decided to crash the NBA as we know it. Perhaps they will reorganize in some fashion. But I predict the end is near.

How many profitable teams are out there? 10 max? But if the owners and the NBA can show that they are no longer profitable to each respective municipality, I have no doubt that there are clauses in their contracts to allow each team to fold up shop — thus leaving taxpayers holding the bags for their brand new arenas they voted for via their loyalty. Just watch what happens after the cba, however long that will drag on.

We witnessed, IMO, the death of the NBA as we knew it yesterday.

Only Doug Moe can save it now. ;)

by ortolan on Jul 9, 2010 7:03 PM MDT reply actions  

I'm a Stiff at heart, always will be, but I can't possibly disagree any more with this article

What has happened the last 24 hours is beyond what anybody ever could have imagined when this Summer’s free agency bonanza got underway a couple of weeks ago. We are witnessing history in rare form that has never taken place this way before. For the first time the most powerful athlete in all of sports chose where he wanted to play, and what resulted is the most unjustifiable, cynical display of hate I have ever seen.

How many times have you done something wrong in your lifetime that you wish later on you could have done differently? Probably this scenario has played out many times in the average person’s lifetime. But the difference is you don’t have the world watching your every step. You don’t have different people breathing their personal agenda down your neck with every waning minute. In other words, you have no idea whatsoever it must feel like to walk in Lebron James shoes. You can sit here with your personal computer and rip to the maximum amount possible this man’s every goddamn decision because he was built up to be some sort of perfect human being by your fellow bloggers, annalists, journalists, friends, etc., but in reality you have no right to cut this man down for a personal decision, no matter how badly he may have handled it.

It’s an absolute disgrace that people across the country are referring to Lebron James as a “dickhead” and a “bad guy”. It’s beyond my personal grasp as to how you, Andrew, can deduce this fact based on the manner in which Lebron James made a personal business decision. It’s classless for you to say such things, just as it was for a man who has no idea what it means to represent the state of Ohio (Gilbert) to call Lebron James a Benedict Arnold. Staying on this subject, since I feel Gilbert metaphorically represents the general public’s feelings towards Lebron James right now, lets talk a little bit about him. How ironic is it that here’s a man who’s career and wealth are a compilation of business decisions based on what’s best for him, yet he can’t understand the fact that Lebron James chose to play in a situation that is better for him? Then to have the nerve to call out Lebron in the fashion in which he did was disgusting. That man knows nothing in the slightest form of what it means to represent and carry a region of the United States on his back like Lebron James has for the past 6 years. James did everything he could for that city and what exactly did he get back in terms of help from Gilbert and his crew? A 37 year old Shaq? Mo Williams? Larry Hughes? Antawn Jamison for 2 months? One question Gilbert, WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU EXPECT???

I don’t know about the rest of you but the criticism towards Lebron James right now is gross on the highest level. No matter what decision he made Thursday, someones feelings were going to get hurt. But if you want someone to blame for all this, blame yourself. We are the ones that judge an NBA athlete’s’ success based on the amount of rings they earn, so in theory, we are the ones that made Lebron jettison Cleveland as his best chance to win these was in Miami at the moment. We are the ones that feed this ever growing hype machine. We are the ones that all tuned in when Lebron announced he was going to hold the one hour special. We give Lebron the power he has right now, and then we get mad when he misuses it. The bottom line is there is so much hypocrisy behind this whole scenario that it’s dumb and incorrect to place blame on the shoulders of a 25 year old basketball player who decided to change teams. HE DID NOTHING WRONG!!!

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by GoldenNugget on Jul 9, 2010 7:06 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Yes he did do something wrong

He wronged his fans, he wronged his supporters, he wronged his region and city. What more do you ask for as a homer? You want the dude you look up to, to stay loyal. Because, this is what we believe we would do in that situation.

The NBA is different now from when presumably most of us were growing up. I will always be a Nuggets fan and a stiff. But the NBA is dead and must be restructured.

by ortolan on Jul 9, 2010 7:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

i have no idea what you just said but...........

i could not have said it better myself.

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by nohoops4u on Jul 10, 2010 1:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

It's not the fact that he left Cleveland, but the manner in which he handled the move.

He could have made the announcement in Cleveland, telling his fans thank you for your support all these years. But it was time to move on to a new situation. He could have donated all the money to the kids without the media stunt.

This is where he went into Doucheland.

Ubaldo Jimenez: YO CHARLIE, Do the right thing
Brad Hawpe: YEP
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: Better than Uggla
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by SDcat09 on Jul 10, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

"Because, this is what we believe we would do in that situation."

Sorry, just had to LOL at this for a second.

@GN: agreed on all counts

by DatDudeMelo on Jul 9, 2010 7:13 PM MDT reply actions  

As fans who grew up looking up to say an Alex English

This is exactly what we would do! I live a meager life and don’t ask for much and don’t need much. I don’t get super-stardom. I don’t. I realize it exists and I have to deal with it and others think differently than me. But when you’re a kid you believe those guys you listen to on KOA being called by Bob Martin and Jeff Kingery really care about you — back when there were only like 30 games on channel 2. Some of the most heartbreaking posts on cleveland.com are the parents having to explain to their crying 10 year olds how things work. It’s awful and I would have panned ever caring about the Denver Nuggets or basketball in general as a kid if this kind of 1 hour long special was even thinkable 25 years ago. It’s a shame. You can LOL me all you want. I don’t give a fuck about LeBron, but I understand his fans and how they feel.

The NBA is dead — Long live the Nuggets!

by ortolan on Jul 9, 2010 7:20 PM MDT reply actions  

Awesome write-up, Feinstein

I don’t hang around here much, mostly due to the fact that I’m not a big basketball fan, but I had to read this. If I never hear the name “LeBron James” again, it’ll be too soon.

"Andrew Raycroft - Much like Martin Brodeur (chip shot off glass) and Rick DiPietro (quick outlet pass from behind net), has developed his own trademark play for clearing the zone: 'faceoff at center ice'." - Down Goes Brown

by wtnelson on Jul 9, 2010 9:59 PM MDT reply actions  

The only thing that I respect about LeBron is...

When asked if he saw the Free Agency as a lose lose situation, he said something like, “No, I see it as a win win. The man above has given me God given talents, I get to see my two little boys run around every day, I play basketball for a living, blah, blah, blah.”

I admire how he’s grateful for the situation he has been put in.

by higgyhoops12 on Jul 9, 2010 10:50 PM MDT reply actions  

Haterz

First off lebreezy helped hundreds maybe thousands of kids with the whole spectacle. How can u hate on that? All those kids lives will be changed for the better and and u guys all say he shouldnt have done that.
Second he chose winning over money and self glory. How u gon knock him for that?
Lebron is still no doubt the best player in the league. Actually watch the gamed unbiased and you will see that.

by Birdman and Jay arah on Jul 9, 2010 11:16 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Couldn’t he have just donated a couple mil to the boys and girls organization. Did he have to host that show.

The only reason lebron seems like such a good basketball player is because of the rediculously generous calls. Oh, and he is on (or has used) steroids. How else do you explain him gaining 50 pounds over the last seven years and his head getting fat?

by Monkfish on Jul 10, 2010 10:55 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

steroids?

im not even going to waste my time going into detail how much that statement makes you look like a fool

by Birdman and Jay arah on Jul 10, 2010 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Heard about that

I think they’re taking this too far. Give me a break. Your fifteen minutes of anger is over. GET OVER IT!

Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
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by Mini Hulk on Jul 10, 2010 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Please. He did they charity thing to distract from

the publicity and angry fans that he abandoned in a ridiculous display of narcissism. And ESPN and the rest of us were just as stupid to watch. If he cared that much about the kids of Cleveland, why didn’t he host the special in Cleveland and then break the news to the fans? LAME

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Brad Hawpe: YEP
Todd and Troy: Get well soon
Clint Barmes: Better than Uggla
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by SDcat09 on Jul 10, 2010 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

+1

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 10, 2010 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

He is not the best

most athletic/talented yes, but the best would never have pulled a no show in the conference finals. The cavs could have beat boston, if LBJ had even bothered to show. He chose an early exit to better justify his leaving in FA. He knew that had his team made the Finals, he’d be stuck in Ohio for life. I don’t faul him for leaving, but the way he chose to go out was F’d up

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 10, 2010 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wonder if people would be talking as much about this if he did not choose miami after his hour long show.

Possibility 1: LeBron says, “I’m staying in Cleveland.” I don’t think people would be complaining about his hour long show to announce this.
Possibility 2: LeBron says, “I’m going to the Clippers.” I don’t think people would be complaining about his hour long show to announce this either. Frankly, they’d be so blown away they would have forgotten the whole ESPectacle.
Possibility 3: LeBron says, “I’m going to the Nets.” People would be saying, “Wow, what a stud, he’s going to build his own super-team over the next few years. Makes sense that he made the announcement in Connecticut.”
Possibility 4: LeBron says, “I’m going to the Bulls. I want to be like Mike.”, everyone would say, “can’t fault him there. Good team to work with, carry on the Jordan legacy, yadda yadda yadda.”
Possibilty 5: LeBron says, “I’m going to the Knicks.” Everyone would say, “it was inevitable, nothing to see here, move on.”

by MMGraves on Jul 12, 2010 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

I knew he was leaving the cavs

And to be honest I had him pegged to go to the next highest bidder. I can’t hate the guy for wanting to play alongside complementing talents and win a ring. It’s the manner in which he chose to do it that irks me. After 7 years in Cleavland, 2 MVP awards, and 6 years of playoff success, you’d think he would have at least let the team know that he was leaving. As a Nuggets fan I aint too keen on another monopoly team, but hey it comes with the business.

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by Joelsopinion on Jul 13, 2010 8:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Why do people keep bringing up the fact that Lebron took less money

After the sign and trade deal he makes 110 M for 6 year (15 M less) in Miami… In cleveland, he would have made $125M and with state tax rate of 7.5% in ohio, it works out to approx $114M…

So he takes $4 M less for the duration of 6 years (approx 700K every year) and probably playing in Florida could push his sponsorship dollars way beyond anything he could have made in Ohio…

If Money was not important for Mr.Lebron, he could have signed a $10m (or even less) contract in Cleveland, so that cavaliers could have paid someone else Max dollars to bring them here…

by Kumar_98 on Jul 10, 2010 10:32 AM MDT reply actions  

ha good call

i must say, no state income tax is really nice!

by skithebert on Jul 11, 2010 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why do people keep bringing up LeBron at all.

I don’t care what team he went to, I don’t care how he did it and yeah, I know he’s a super talented ball player but… I never liked him. If you ever watch him in a live game, not on the cold-filtered version that TV gives you, where the announcers smooth over any LeBron transgression and blame ‘the other guy’, you will see that he’s always been a big jerk.

Yes, I know it was a run on sentence.

by MMGraves on Jul 10, 2010 10:40 AM MDT reply actions  

Fuck James

That whole 4 hours of ESPN bullshit was one of the most bizarre, awkward, and uncomfortable moments I’ve ever seen on TV. Gilbert was right. The guy is a narcissist and I don’t blame Cleveland fans at all for being pissed.

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by the real stranger on Jul 10, 2010 7:02 PM MDT reply actions  

give lebron the benefit of the doubt

he wins his championship with the heat. he will ask pat riley to allow him to become a free agent. lebron returns to cleveland to pick up where he left off. seriously…… you were born and raised around cleveland, ohio. time for a change of scenery. you cannot go home again.

pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
we're on a mission from god

by nohoops4u on Jul 11, 2010 1:30 AM MDT reply actions  

I heard

That Cleavland now has 24 hour surveillance along all of it’s borders and shoreline. The guards have been instructed to shoot Lebron on sight with the T-shirt cannon from the Quicken Loans Arena.

It’s also rummored that if Lebron ever decides to move back home, he will have to go on the local news every night at 9pm and say “I suck Ohio…You rock, just like Drew carey said”. he has to do this until his death.

Via con Dios Brody
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by Joelsopinion on Jul 13, 2010 8:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

I thought you were going to say

If LeBron is spotting entering Cleveland they are instructed to close the fence behind him so he can be returned to his owner.

Special thanks to Jessie Jackson for enabling a weeks worth of one-liners.

by MMGraves on Jul 13, 2010 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

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