Denver should be on Chris Paul's wish list...
by Andrew Feinstein on Jul 25, 2010 4:31 PM MDT
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When the news broke that Chris Paul wants to re-locate, the Nuggets surprisingly didn't make the Hornets' star's wish list. Here's why they should have...
Did I miss something here?
Last I checked, the Nuggets just completed their third straight 50-win season despite losing their head coach to cancer and their best defender for much of the regular season.
Last I checked, the Nuggets are just two seasons removed from coming within two bad inbounds plays of appearing in the NBA Finals.
Last I checked, Carmelo Anthony is under contract for at least two more years (unless he opts out after this upcoming season) and the Nuggets offered him an incredibly generous extension.
Last I checked, Nuggets head coach George Karl is one of the best coaches in the NBA and gives his players a tremendous amount of freedom and autonomy on the floor. Nevermind that he'll have one of the most inspiring comebacks in NBA history when the regular season tips off in late October.
Last I checked, the Nuggets are led on the floor by a former NBA Finals MVP in Chauncey Billups who will do anything for another ring, even if it means ceding the point guard spot and playing shooting guard.
Last I checked, the Nuggets are owned by a basketball-obsessed owner with the deepest of deep pockets.
Last I checked, the Nuggets are one of only three NBA teams to have appeared in the last seven consecutive postseasons.
Last I checked, Denver remains as one of the preeminent sports cities in the United States and has more sunny days a year than San Diego, Miami, Orlando and certainly New York, Dallas or Portland.
And yet, when the Chris Pauls, LeBron Jameses, Dwyane Wades, Chris Boshes and so forth seek their next NBA destination, Denver never makes the list.
What are we, chopped liver?
Maybe the Nuggets marketing department needs to turn their attention away from selling tickets and towards selling Denver as one of the great destinations in the NBA. Because clearly, the message isn't getting across.
But for now, allow me to sell Chris Paul on joining the Nuggets.
First off, the Nuggets are one of the few teams in the NBA who can throw "the kitchen sink" at the Hornets in order to get Paul into a Denver uniform. To part with a player of Paul's caliber, the Hornets will insist on expiring contracts, young prospects, a plethora of future first round draft picks and accepting overpaid but effective center Emeka Okafor in the deal. The Nuggets can make such a deal happen by offering Kenyon Martin (expiring contract), J.R. Smith (expiring contract), Ty Lawson (young prospect) and however many picks the Hornets want.
Comparatively, the Magic - one of Paul's "desired" destinations - can offer Vince Carter (expiring contract) and Jameer Nelson (solid point guard but not so young anymore) plus picks, or Carter plus Marcin Gortat (a legit big man to replace Okafor). The others on Paul's list? The Mavericks have only Tyson Chandler and Caron Butler's expiring contracts to offer New Orleans, and while I can't imagine Chandler going back to the Big Easy stranger things have happened. Portland could offer any combination of Andre Miller and Joel Pryzbilla's expiring contracts plus Rudy Fernandez or Greg Oden - or may have to part with LaMarcus Aldridge to get Paul to Portland, which automatically weakens the Blazers upon Paul's arrival. And the Knicks have...well...virtually nothing to offer and would have trouble making the money work if Okafor has to be involved.
Secondly, should Paul and Okafor come to Denver, a Paul/Chauncey Billups backcourt combined with a Melo/Nene/Okafor frontcourt and Al Harrington/Arron Afflalo/Chris Andersen bench immediately makes the Nuggets the second-best team in the Western Conference. And with Kobe Bryant recently undergoing his third knee surgery, you have to believe the Lakers dynasty will end sooner than later. If Paul wants to win and win big, Denver and Orlando are two of his better options.
And thirdly, Paul's arrival would most certainly be preceded by Melo signing his extension. A Paul/Melo duo into the future could make the Nuggets contenders for years to come (dare I say, the Nuggets next Fat Lever/Alex English?), making Denver a hot spot for another big free agent.
I can understand the appeal of the Magic (play with Dwight Howard, face off against the Miami "superfriends" four times a year, pay no state income tax), Mavericks (Mark Cuban will do anything for a ring), Knicks (play in the best city in the US) and Portland (Paul Allen will also do anything for a ring). But Denver should be equally if not more appealing than any of those aforementioned destinations.
So when Chris Paul meets with the Hornets on Monday to discuss his future and dictate his trade-me-or-lose-me terms, he should add a fifth city to his wish list. The one that sits at approximately 5,280 feet above sea level and could be on the verge of a basketball dynasty should Paul play his cards right.
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Perhaps Paul didn't put Denver on his list simply because he doesn't want to play in Denver.
We spanked the crap out them in the playoffs, 58 pt win remember! A loss like that can sting for a long time, and may even sour the idea of playing here forever. Also he might just think the Nuggets are willing to trade for him because we already have Chauncey…. Either way if this is truly the ONLY way we entice MElway to re-up his contract then I guess Im in favor of it. However I think Chris Paul wants to be in Orlando simply because he actually wants to be on Miami but knows they don’t have the money to sign him, so he figures if he plays in Orlando he can still go to all the crazy parties and celebrity get togethers they are sure to have in FL in the coming months and years.
by InboundingLobPass on Jul 25, 2010 4:53 PM MDT reply actions
he might just think the Nuggets *aren't* willing to trade for him...
by InboundingLobPass on Jul 25, 2010 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions
thought about that...
he could realize that a trade with Denver would prob include Billups and he wouldn’t want to disrespect him.. or maybe he knows that Stan wouldn’t pony up the dough to take on the big contracts (which I think he would, if we could a player like Paul)
This has been what I've been saying...
I think Denver is the second best option Paul could have (behind Orlando, b/c Paul and Dwight are a perfect combo), but the Nuggets have more to offer to the Hornets… The one knock I have on Melo is that we never hear of him trying to recruit players to Denver… We know Chauncey recruited Harrington, but Melo should be doing what Wade did in Miami… look how that turned out… Kobe does it to in LA, he got Blake, BArnes and almost Bell… I hope Melo isn’t like LeBron in that he won’t try to sell Denver as a place to be…
but it doesn’t matter too much in this case because Paul doesn’t have a no trade clause so NO could trade him to wherever they want… the only the thing the list does is tell teams which teams he’d most likely re-sign with…
But if we could get Paul without giving up Chauncey, wow… talk about a great trio… Even though Lawson is my 2nd favorite player, I would give him up in a deal that lands us Paul
ESPN Trade Machine
says Paul/Okafor for Billups/KMart is a successful trade. I would prefer to trade two players (one who is past his prime – KMart and one who will soon be past his prime – CB1) rather than Ty and J.R.
Better to trade older players one year soon rather than try to get rid of them a year too late. If you trade Billups, he’s immediately replaced with a starting PG who has a lot of years left. KMart is always injured, so that’s not too great of a loss. Then we’ve got a starting lineup of Paul/Afflalo/Melo/Harrington/Nene and a bench consisting of Ty, Bird, J.R., etc. to bring the energy back into the game. I like that a whole lot better than trying to get CB1 and CP3 to co-exist.
J.R. is my homeboy
Plus
the Hornets already have a young PG in Collison, so if they had any common sense (which I guess they don’t) they’d want a successful veteran PG to lead the way and mentor their young PG.
J.R. is my homeboy
I like that trade...
make it done
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Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
His name is Dan Uggla!
by Colsportsfan on Jul 25, 2010 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions
I have an idea
Let’s send Anthony, Smith and Bird over to convince Paul to join the Nuggets. They’re close friends and junk.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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so, it hasn't stopped Amare from doing it....
the tampering thing is BS… players talk about whatever they want to whomever they want to…
Although you are correct...
The NBA hasn’t investigated Amare for tampering because they know nobody takes him or his knees seriously.
JR/Kenyon for Paul/Okefor works money wise, as does K-Mart/JR/Nene for Paul/Okefor/West.
I’m not sure what the Hornets are looking for in return, but considering their bargaining position, getting 20M+ in expiring contracts isn’t a bad haul for them.
I have no problem with Billups/Paul backcourt. It might be a little weak defensively, but I think, offensively, Billups has the tools to play SG, particularly if it means he can roam more on the perimeter and take catch-shoot jumpers.
by George Karl Marx on Jul 25, 2010 5:02 PM MDT reply actions
They're both PGs
Unless Chauncey wants to come off of the bench, it wouldn’t work.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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damn we'd have CB1, Paul and Lawson!!!
I would think it would take at least one of our PGs to get a deal done…
but CB1 could become strictly a SG… but we might struggle against SGs like Kobe
they had to get rid of JR
there is too much bad blood they wouldn’t want JR
we're on the last legs
of paying a player with bad knees 15+ million a year.
and we want to do it again….why?
who are you implying has bad knees...?
Okafor? who just played 82 games…
Paul? who had a minor knee injury….
Posey? who is healthy….
Last I checked, the Nuggets are led on the floor by a former NBA Finals MVP in Chauncey Billups who will do anything for another ring, even if it means cedes the point guard spot and play shooting guard.
I disagree. There is no reason to believe Chauncey would do this.
Why not?
Chauncey’s play style is more SG than PG… he’s always been a scorer and has never been the distributing type… not to mention he plays SG for the USA team (as did Paul)
CB1 could def. work at SG… think about it… he’s just about tall enough and is stronger than most SGs… he wouldn’t have to cover speedy PGs anymore and would be able to become more of a spot up shooter…
I would think any Paul deal would require us to ship New Orleans or a third team billups, but if not we could def play CB1 at the 2 guard
i might be the only one but,
i really wouldnt trade any of our players for chris paul. he did just have knee surgery and i think hes overated. hes trying to bail on his team while hes still under contract. doesnt seem like a leaders quality to me. i think the only reason hes crying about leaving is because lebron teamed up w/ dwade and bosh. i honestly think it would turn out bad if he came to denver. i sure wouldnt want 2 trade Lawson for paul. & i dnt see chris paul fitting into the teams play
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Not the only one
I think it’s a bad fit for all sides and would never happen
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by runningdonut on Jul 25, 2010 5:57 PM MDT up reply actions
i sure hope it doesnt
i really dnt think we need 2 add anyone else. we just need 2 stay healthy.
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we just need 2 stay healthy
Yeah, good luck with that.
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well its the truth
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you are crazy
how are we going to get past the lakers with only Nene and undersized harrington in the front court. Emeka would be a nice add
i said we needed 2 stay healthy
if we are healthy, we would obviosly have Kmart. if you didnt notice, we almost went undefeated agaisnt them last season while we were healthy. its nothin really wrong with our team other than health issues. ppl are getting worked up for nothing.
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if we are healthy
so you think a healthy kenyon is going to eb the answer. even healthy he isnt kenyon of 5 years ago. a healthy kenyon is not a top tier player now adays. he is a mcdyess type.
uhhh, we were doing just fine last year
all im saying is ppl are going crazy like we are not already a top team. nobdy knows wat will happen until the season starts. and trading 4 Chris Paul wont do much to help us because we dnt lack at the gaurd position and he cant replace what CB1 or lawson gives us. and we dnt need kmart 2 be a “top tier” player, just do wat hes been doing.
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healthy KMart
I think the comparison of a healthy Kenyon to a McDyess is way off. Bash injured Kenyon all you want, but you have to respect healthy Kenyon.
When he was healthy, he was an animal. Yes, his offense sucks outside of five feet, but you’ve got to at least give him credit for what he did bring, and his individual defense, defensive presence on the court, and defensive influence over his teammates is practically irreplaceable.
I’m not saying he’d stop the Lakers by himself, but as of last year, a healthy Kenyon is an impact player. There’s no denying that. He spends so much time injured, people seem to forget that he actually has value as a player.
We may never see healthy Kenyon again. Let’s give healthy Kenyon some respect.
by deezNuggets on Jul 26, 2010 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
+1
If he could be 100% for the second half of the season and the playoffs next year then look out NBA cause the Nugs will be a dominant force. Mark my words, if he is healthy the Nugs will take the Lakers to at least 7 games if not beat them in the WCF.
whats 100%?
im curious 2 what this fully healthy and 100% mean?
he is never after these type of surgeries going to be what he was. Yes he can be 100% healthy as in having to time restricitons or lingering pain but that doesnt mean hes a young kenyon he is still an older players with miles and injuries on those knees
Nah man
He won’t have lingering pain if he is 100%. He didn’t have lingering pain up to the injury last year and I believe he will get back to that place. Dude is a monster when he can play pain free and I am willing to wager he will get back to that point next year.
when McDysses
you can say the exact same for McDysses when healthy he was a top tier player maxish type money guy like kenyon was.
And can you really expect him to eb healthy theses type of things usually take a season to get fully healthy from, whatever fully healthy from kenyon means nowadays. Cause Fully healthy 2010 kenyon isnt fully healthy 2005 kenyon.
Big difference
Kmart came back from his injuries much better than McDyess ever did. Kmart is a freak athelete and he recouperation abilities are off the charts. He is the only guy in NBA history to come back from microfracture knee surgery on both knees. If you can believe someone can overcome an injury then you should believe that Kmart can do it. Big difference between him and McDyess.
McDyess hasn't been relevant for years
What I’m saying is Kenyon was relevant as recently as last year. I’ve been talking about 2009-10 Kenyon, not some far off memory of 2005 Kenyon. I’m talking about last year.
Nobody here is saying he will be fully healthy 2005 Kenyon. Just like nobody’s talking about McDyess from the nineties.
I don’t know how he will come back. Nobody does. He might not even be on our roster by then.
My point is just that Kenyon doesn’t get recognition for what he brought to the team when he WAS healthy. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, KMart was the MVP of the 2009-2010 season for the Nuggets. I’d be happy to take up this discussion, if necessary.
by deezNuggets on Jul 26, 2010 11:57 PM MDT up reply actions
If Kenyon Martin was the MVP, he should have proved it in the Playoffs
What happened? He got pissed off and cost us game 6.
He wasn’t the only guy I’d blame, but his attitude sure didn’t help.
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ok, regular season MVP
I’m not saying he’s a model citizen, and you’re right, a lot of things sucked about that series. IMO, that series was lost well before Kenyon’s usual display of congeniality.
We sucked under Dantley. Ugh, I don’t even look at the last month of our season as even being the Nuggets. If losing GK was a test of character for the Nuggets, they failed.
Agree 100% on KMart being the MVP for the 9-10 season
I actually think he is the MVP every year and that sucks. It sucks when your most important player is so injury prone. If he is healthy for the second half and playoffs next year then the Nugs have a real shot at the title once again.
you realize you can't just snap your fingers and everyone's healthy...
ya of course we wouldn’t need to make moves if we are healthy (some would still help tho)… but we’re not…. you can’t expect Kenyon to be healthy b/c he isn’t and that means we have a pretty big hole in our frontcourt
of course i kno this
im saying, IF we are healthy, meaning if our players heal and are able to play, then we dnt need 2 do much. Harrington has already said he wants 2 be more commited 2 defense so i thnk that was a good add. all of this trade stuff is getting to be very stupid.
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you don't see arguably the NBA's best PG fitting into a run and gun system with a lot of good scorers around him?
I guess u need some glasses to help you see then….
no i dnt and my glasses are just fine
not just because of his skill level. although, i think hes overated. the type of player he seems to be. demanding a trade while hes still under contract, doing it publicly. and because i think the only reason he wants to leave NO is because he sees wat Lebron did. i think the nuggets already have enough problems to deal with. i think he would do more harm than he does good. and how would they rotate AAA, Jr if hes still here, CB1, Lawson and Paul. depending on wat we would have to give up 2 get him, i wouldnt wanna take that risk. also, hes used to being the main guy with the ball, i dnt kno how he and Melo would fit 2getha.
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and also,
the way hes trying to leave NO, i dnt think the Nuggets need another drama queen like that. and he obviosly doesnt know how to be commited to a team
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Chris Paul Arguably perhaps but . . .
I don’t know why people grovel over Chris Paul as if he’s won 3 rings and will guarantee a championship. If anything he’s been a pouter and a terrible teammate the last year or so.
He’s been to the playoffs twice in 5 years. It’s hard for me to believe in how good he is when Deron Williams, Rajon Rondo, Jameer Nelson, Chauncey Billups and others have accomplished much more with their respective teams in recent years.
by jmdeshazer on Jul 26, 2010 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
exactly
i dont get all the hype. he just seems inmature to me
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he's a pouter, a flopper, and a brat
but he can flat out ball. No doubt. The guy consistently avgs over 10 assists and can light up for forty on any given night. EASILY a top ten player before he got injured (who knows how he’ll come back…).
I’m rooting for Chauncey and Ty, because they represent some sports ideals that I think are quickly going by the wayside, and I don’t want to see that dynamic get stomped on by a whiny superstar.
by deezNuggets on Jul 26, 2010 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions
exactly. i guess what im trying to say is i dnt think its worth the trouble
id rather us keep CB1 who fits in as a role player of what we need him 2 be, a leader. i dnt see chris paul being a fair or respected leader. i see him coming in & blaming ppl, pointing fingers & bailing if things dnt work. i wonder if ppl like a Kmart would put up with him. its not like we are in dier need of a pg. we already have 1 and we are a 50 win team w/ him. i feel like just because hes a “great” player doesnt mean he will make us better than we already are. 2 superstars dnt promise wins, maybe just a good show
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agreed
Adding the right piece is such a difficult process, it’s like an organ transplant. You have to make sure the body can have a healthy relationship with it. Paul would have required blowing up more than one dynamic on our roster. It’s a moot point anyway, I guess.
to his credit, Paul’s statement coming out of his meeting with NO management sounded very mature and a step in the right direction for his career.
I think it also means we’re not getting Okafor.
by deezNuggets on Jul 27, 2010 12:08 AM MDT up reply actions
CP3 is a great player but it doesn't change the fact that Denver needs a big man more than a 6 foot tall man.
If you had 15M to spend before the season started and your choice was Chris Paul or Marc Gasol, who would you pick?
a lot more realistic than Gasol...
Paul wants out and the Hornets are in financial problems with large contracts looking to be dumped… Nuggets have talent, picks and expiring deals… seems pretty realistic if you ask me
who is Marc Gasol?
I’ll take “hypothetical masturbatory transactions” for $600.
by deezNuggets on Jul 27, 2010 12:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Ummm
There is no way to get Paul and keep Chauncey, Melo and Nene. Getting Paul with 2 years still left on his deal is going to take much more than people think. Hollinger’s proposed idea included Portland and a Brandon Roy swap.
Almost every teams offer beats Denver’s unless they include one of their best 3. Paul is already a bad fit with Chauncey Billups and Ty Lawson here. It doesn’t matter if Paul “wants” to be here because the Hornets shouldn’t consider sending him here and they won’t. There’s no need to glorify a floppety, whiny ass bitch for selling out his obligation to New Orleans simply because he might land in Denver. It’s a bad fit, and the realists can all sleep well knowing there’s more of a chance Melo goes to New Orleans than Paul going here.
Didn’t think you’d be so quick to jump on the Heat bandwagon and line up to copycat Feinstein
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his BRoy deal is retarded... every gave him shit for that...
most deals for Paul are like:
Tyson Chandler, Butler and Beoubouis for Paul and Posey (couldn’t be done for a while)
Miller, Pryzbilla, Batum or Oden, and Rudy for Paul and Okafor
Carter and Gortat (maybe NElson?) and picks for Paul and Posey (no way Orlando takes Okafor..)
some combo of NY’s young talent and Eddy Curry for Paul and Okafor….
Denver’s option is probably the best… it’s just a matter of Denver’s real FO actually offering it…
Come on man
Portland’s deal is by far the best out of those. But none of those deals approach being a “good offer” for New Orleans. Andrew’s offer is cap relief and Ty Lawson for Chris Paul. That’s going to get it done? Really?
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by runningdonut on Jul 25, 2010 8:31 PM MDT up reply actions
The deals you listed here are retarded. Why in the world would NO takes those kinds of deals. Hollinger’s at least makes some sense. I just don’t see a brand new first time GM making his first deal a 25 cents on the dollar deal like those you listed. What does NO want expiring contracts for? No free agent is going to come there. I mean CP3 doesn’t even want to stay there. Cap room is only valuable to the handful of teams that play in big markets and/or have great weather.
+1
It’s embarrassing. NO does not have to move him, and IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT HE WANTS
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by runningdonut on Jul 25, 2010 8:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Yup
Unless the owner makes a sexual advance at Paul, then the contract is ironclad and Paul will just have to honor it. I wonder what people don’t understand about fulfilling a signed legal document.
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by Joelsopinion on Jul 27, 2010 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Also, I doubt this so called list is real... no way it would leak... or at least not until after he meets with the NO staff
Realgm seems to agree:
Despite rumors to the contrary, Paul’s camp claims that no leading destinations have been established.
Why would NOR want Ty when they already have Collison?
It seems some people have failed to take this into account. I’m sure Ty has a great future, but he doesn’t really add anything to the Hornets that Collison doesn’t already provide them (and for pretty much the same price-tag). In this sense, Ty really doesn’t add “young prospect” value to the trade. The Nuggets can’t offer anything that the Hornets want aside from picks and expiring contracts (unless, maybe, they part with a Nene or an Afflalo).
I think it’s pretty clear that CP3 is going to the Magic. But what if—here’s a thought—the rumors of wanting to start up his own “Big 3” with Melo and Amare in NY were only misdirection?
What if… oh my god… what if… he wants a Big 3… with Melo and Superman in Orlando?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2f2q8q3
Tell me THAT team doesn’t compete with Wade County (or at least guarantee an all-Florida ECF for the next five years).
I would burn down the Pepsi Center if the Nuggets did that lol
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If the Nuggets
traded for Paul, I’d cheer for him because he is a Nugget, but I am just not a fan of him or his game. We’ve got some good PGs. I’d rather see them go after someone else. But if you had a chance to pick him up for nothing, you’d have to do it.
This is exactly what i was saying on the other Chris Paul thread
Makes me wonder if Melo has told him he is not signing the extension or else why wouldn’t Denver be on the list
Chris Paul?
Has anyone watched this guy play vs. the Nuggets, or any other team for that matter? I lost a lot of respect for him when we played them in the 2009 playoffs. He is a little b**** and I wouldn’t be able to root for him. On the other hand, WE have Chauncey and Ty, both of whom I love seeing in a Denver uniform. If we were to end up with Paul, then there is no way we keep both Ty and Chauncey, and that just isn’t worth it.
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by manbearpig5000000 on Jul 25, 2010 9:48 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
exactly how i feel
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Yeah
Deron is by far the best PG right now. CP3 pre injury is equal offensively to deron, but much worse defensively excluding steals. Chris Paul is a VERY up and down, inconsistent player. Deron williams is to CP3 as Kobe is to Melo, in the sense that Kobe and Deron CANNOT be thrown off, but we all know a pesky defender or poor team play can damage melos game, and CP3 is no different.
Exactly
Which is why I love having Chauncey so much, his play is VERY consistent. I think we should just stick with the PG situation that we have. Now if only we could make George Karl realize that AC is garbage, we could let Ty get the minutes he deserves. I can’t stand watching George Karl manage the game sometimes, especially when he does that stupid two PG lineup, as he keeps both AC and Chauncey out on the floor at the same time. Even when Ty would go off in a game last year, the very next game he would play like 3 minutes. Hopefully being away from the game for a little while gave him some time to reflect on his life and coaching decisions, eventually coming to the realization that AC is garbage. Wow… I really got off topic there. But yeah Chris Paul is a bitch. :-)
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by manbearpig5000000 on Jul 27, 2010 12:03 AM MDT up reply actions
This is worse than the Shaq idea.
Shame on you
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by Joelsopinion on Jul 27, 2010 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Seems to me...
that if NO knows they are going to have to trade Paul, then it would be better to do two deals. First, the one with Denver (Kmart for Okafor and Posey) to clear salary deadwood; then trade Paul for a package of serious young players and draft picks for the rebuilding process.
I also think this works better for the Nuggs – we need Okafor, not Paul. Plus, Okafor’s contract would line up more or less with Melo’s extension, putting a clean finish line on the push with the Melo-CB1-Nene-Okafor-Harrington core. That group, plus AAA, Bird, JR and Ty is a legit contender IMHO.
absolutely agree
I’d love to go after Okafor (and bonus Posey)
It would be a way more efficient upgrade. I know the contracts are big, but I think Okafor will thrive in an environment where all he has to do is channel Rodman, and there’s no pressure to score. Posey would be more of a bonus, though a big bonus, if we can add him to the deal. He is like a larger version of AAA.
Honestly, these deals seem less likely now that I hear Marc Stein reporting that NO is not listening to trade offers for Paul. If they try to work with CP3 on their roster, I don’t see them getting rid of two strong components, whom they brought in to compliment him.
If they do start blowing it up, let’s swoop in before they get lumped in with CP3 in a trade.
by deezNuggets on Jul 26, 2010 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
If any team were to offer an expiring for Okafor, New Orleans would throw in Brackins, a future first or thornton
I kinda like Okafor, but he’s not worth taking on without any additional incentive (especially if we have to take Posey too)… he’s like 6’9" and isn’t good at running the floor… Biedrins would b a much better fit
I give Okafor an exception on his hieght
He may be 6’9" but he plays way taller. He definitely plays taller than Nene, and he gets respect around the rim like a 7’er.
Biedrins is super-quick and runs well (when he can run), and he’ll probably cost more in trade value, but maybe it’s worth it to wait for him to be available (when GSW gets healthy). Now there’s a guy with the potential to be a defensive superfreak.
I don’t know. I’m still leaning towards Okafor and his ugly-ass contract.
right u r
now that CP3 is settled, don’t forget that NO could still try to improve by dangling Peja’s and Songaila’s expiring contracts (>18m total) and or Collison. If they add a solid piece and get a few million in cap relief, they won’t move Okafor.
100% accurate
I alluded to this in the 5.0 trade thread. If Paul gets moved to Orlando for Nelson, Brandon Bass, Gortat and a first rounder, then the Nuggets can swoop in and take the Okafor / /Posey bad contracts for K-Mart, and still have a chance at Martin coming back post-buyout. Seems win/win to me. Otis Smith needs to pull the trigger.
how's it win-win?
It’s kind of lose-lose…. first of all no way in hell that package gets CP3… but taking back two horrible contracts for an expirer isn’t smart… Maybe I’d take Okafor and some actual talent (like Brackiins or Thornton) for KMart, but no way I’d take both those hideous contracts… Okafor is a lot worse than KMart (when KMart plays) and trading for him would be like extending KMart’s deal 4 more years (we’ve waited 5 for Kenyon’s to expire, no way we make the same mistake NO did by taking on Okafor)
Dreaming
Nugs: Chris Paul, Emeka Okafor (giving 24.7 in expiring and a 1st getting 26.3)
Hornets: Kenyon martin (16.5 expiring), Spencer Hawes, Andre Iguodala (giving 32.7 and a trade exemption getting 31.9)
76ers: Troy Murphy and a Nugs 1st (giving 15.2 getting 11.9 and a 3 mil trade exception)
Pacers: JR Smith, Ty Lawson, Posey. (giving 11.9 getting 14.8)
hornets clear 2 bad contracts and get a stud to replace CP3.
Philly clears the way for turner, gets a nice outside game PF and a 1st
Pacers get their PG and some scoring
Nugs get the prize and a big which they need. Move nene to PF play Billups at the 2 often.
i know im dreamin.
Apparently the Hornets FO is saying they won't trade Paul
not surprising… but I believe them… unless they get a good offer which won’t come until the end of the summer, why trade him?
Keep that overrated, whiny little crybaby off my team.
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by SDcat09 on Jul 26, 2010 9:53 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Paul looks good in the rainbow jersey
I stumbled across some pictures of a young Chris Paul that appeared on the MTV show “when I was 17” and I must say he looks good in the rainbow Jersey.
http://www.mtv.com/photos/when-i-was-17-chris-paul/1641873/4960945/photo.jhtml
lol WOJ always rips LeBitch
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;ylt=Ai75aTzIzfprmD0b_yg_DW8vLYF?slug=aw-paulfuture072310
He should stay on course to be his generation’s Tim Duncan(notes), but that no longer appeals to Paul. He’s veered the wrong way, into the wrong clutches. Bad enough that LeBron James(notes) damaged his own standing in the sport this summer, he wants to take down Chris Paul with him too.
let's go nuggets! who u wit?
I always say 'if you're gonna do something, do it with your whole heart'.
Maybe he ascribes to the same motto. He’s just hatin’ more effectively than anyone else right now…I can’t hate on his effort.
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by Joelsopinion on Jul 27, 2010 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Everybody rips LeBron
It’ pretty dumb if you ask me.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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I agree, I have no problem with where LeBron chose
How LeBron handled it was with bad judgement, a lack of class and a lack of intellect.
It’s a little amazing LeBron and the LeWannabes truly didn’t think they’d come away bloodied by the way the handled it.
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If I read another one of that dude's articles I'm going to throw up
I feel like that guys the Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh of sports journalism. Just reading his style of writing and how he portrays every small detail to be so catostrophic is gross. Paul said today he’s going to plan on representing the city of N.O. for years to come and he’s happy with the direction their going yet this guy somehow brings Lebron James into the article and prematurly writes…
“James, his business manager Maverick Carter and powerbroker William Wesley have far too much influence over Paul’s career, and they’re running it right out of the sunshine and into darkness. They’re using Paul as a commodity to elevate their clout, to show how they can take a player with no contractual leverage and muscle him out of New Orleans.”
Dude, really? Give me a break. I mean, where does this guy come up with these theories?
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 26, 2010 10:09 PM MDT up reply actions
ok, GN,
I’m starting to see what you mean about this writer.
I picture him saying this like Gollum from Lord of The Rings:
“They’re using Paul as a commodity to elevate their clout, to show how they can take a player with no contractual leverage and muscle him out of New Orleans.”
in light of Paul’s recent statement, this passage seems especially hyper-conspiracy-theory-y and silly.
by deezNuggets on Jul 27, 2010 12:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Denver doesn't have any legit big men
Kmart, Nene… when one of them finally lives up to the hype go ahead and argue
but it hasn’t happened yet. And if Paul wanted to play with Okafur he could stay in
New Orleans.
Orlando > Denver.
Plus Paul could make Howard an MVP.
P.S.
Billups is a PG. Even if you think he has the ability to play the 2 a Paul/Billups backcourt
would get abused by the rest of the league.
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not really, Billups is like an inch shorter than the avg. SG
not to mention he’s at least as strong as them…
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From his twitter:
The meeting went well. It was great to get an opportunity to sit down with Coach Williams, President Weber and our new General Manager Dell Demps. I expressed my desire to win and I like what they said about the direction that they want to take the team. I have been a Hornet my entire career and I hope to represent the city of New Orleans and state of Louisiana for many years to come.
Looks like there won’t be any Paul sweepstakes
what a relief
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what do you expect him so say?
“Fuck New Orleans, these clowns don’t know how to treat a superstar like mee, bitches I’m out!!! yo melo holla at me”
of course he’s gna say it went well… I still don’t believe New ORleans can be successful until Shinn transfers ownership
I know it's a slow news period for our Nuggets, but seriously, first the Shaq thing now this?
It would be an awful move for Denver to trade away one of its best future assets in Ty Lawson (and, if they keep him, JR) for a gamble on a player coming back from a major surgery who has expressed zero desire to play here in Denver.
I absolutely would not support a trade for CP3 in any form. We have our guards, we’re set there. As ever, this issue remains in shoring up our Frontcourt.
I’m glad CP3 is staying with New Orleans.
Swats.
A bird in the hand
is worth two in the bush,
you dont not trade for a super star like Paul cause undersized lawson might become an all star
on this current nuggets roster & team style/play
id take lawson over paul
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LOL, I like your optimism but it is definitely clouded with homerism if you would rather Lawson than Paul. Good for a laugh though…
just because of the roles they play and the fact that we already have billups
lol. i kno paul is a better all around player than lawson
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Doesn't matter
You take Paul over Lawson no matter what your team makeup is. Guys like Paul are a very rare commodity as are guys like CB1. They could coexist fine because CB1 is such a great teammate.
i dnt agree w/ this but ok, i get ur point
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youd take an undersied PG
really? you’d take an undersized PG
over an ALL NBA superstar PG who would make Melo sign his extension and fill the arena ever night
yo, calm down
all im saying is Lawson is a good role player and fitts in better than chris paul would. im not saying hes nicer than chris paul or anything. id just rather have Lawson because we already have Billups as our starting pg
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you sound
like Josh McDaniels =)
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by Garrett Olsen on Jul 26, 2010 6:20 PM MDT up reply actions
wateva
it doesnt matter now anyway
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why do you believe that Paul wants to stay in NOH?
obv he’s just not trying to sound like a brat (even though he is), what did you expect him to come out of the meeting saying “fuck New Orleans brah I wanna find me another superstar!”… I bet in one week we’ll be hearing serious trade discussions for Paul
smh
u do know that hes under contract and that no matter how hard he tries, clicks his heels, begs, wishes or wants to leave……its not up to him? who cares whether he wants 2 stay in NO?
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ya I understand, but at this point it'd be best for NO to move on
might as well get rid of the bad contracts and hand the franchise over to West and Collison
it does not matter what he wants
it does not matter what he wants
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by runningdonut on Jul 26, 2010 9:21 PM MDT up reply actions
over an ALL NBA superstar PG who would make Melo sign his extension and fill the arena ever night
No he wouldn’t. Anthony has already stated that they need a BIG MAN!!!!
Besides, I’d take that undersized PG over Paul any day.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
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If we can get Paul and Okafer for JR and Martin and some future 1st round draft picks then I am for it
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Sounds like Paul isn't going anywhere, for now...
But hey it produced over 100 comments already, so great try Feinstein.
I trust Chris Paul. I liked the word choice he used when describing how he felt about the situation. Really, just like any superstar in this league he just wants insurance the team is at least moving in the right direction. It should be really interesting to see how this plays out with their new GM and coach. They’ve both got their work cut out for them.
One thing real quick. Sometimes I feel like as much as I love my fellow Stiffs, you guys don’t have a firm grip on things because your homerism is so blinding. Saying things like you don’t want CP3 on our team because we’d have to give up Ty Lawson or because he’s a flopper are just, well, extremely frustrating to read. D-Will got a lot of shine this past year and why? Because CP3 was injured! When CP3’s healthy, D-Will’s almost not existant. Chris Paul is the best PG in the league and has been for a couple of years now, and most likely will continue to be. Using petty arguments as the reason you don’t want to obtain an NBA superstar on your team makes you look as naive as a Jersey Shore cast member announcing their going to try for the Nobel Peace Prize. Just saying.
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what are you talking about?
but it looks like NOH would rather send him out east…. I’d keep my eye on Charlotte b/c they could offer Damp un-guaranteed deal (be ironic for Dallas, cuz they tried to save him to get Paul) and some good players/ expirers… Paul in Charlotte (his hometown, or near it at least) with Larry Brown and Jordan is a good team
I still hope Denver gets him, but idk if our FO wants him
fans will be fans...
and will indulge in wild dreaming.
But reality says that Paul’s not on the block, so deezNuggets and I don’t think NO will blow it up just yet. As I mentioned above, they have some expiring contracts too (Peja and Songaila), not to mention a very good and redundant PG in Collison.
One smart trade and the Hornets could bounce back instead of dropping to the basement.
Get off it
Every fan has their reasons and their opinions. But apparently your are the best. I can’t root for people I can’t respect, for any variety of reasons. C3P0s sneering flop act is not to be respected. Dude can ball, but he plays like a little bitch.
Conversely, it sickens me that you can jump on any bandwagon (ala, the Heat), but you have your reasons like I have mine.
by Artimus Mangilord on Jul 27, 2010 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions
I never said everyone needs to bow down to my opinions
Sure, have your own, that’s what they’re there for. But at least recognize when I’m right. :) All I was trying to sat is that, well, first of all, why do you not like CP3? Because he flops? In that case I’m assuming you probably hate Steve Nash and the rest of the NBA as well. I’m sure you’d hate our team if you were’nt a fan wtih JR always doing his acts after he scores and Melo and Chauncey constantly barking at the refs and complaining. Look at it from CP3’s standpoint when we played his team in the playoffs a couple of years ago. How frustrating would that have been for you in his shoes? What would you have done? Anyways, whole point is to let petty reasons get in the way of you not wanting the best PG in the league on your team if you had the chance, to me seems A) contradictory, and B) not smart. Contradictory because we bitch and moan about the front office not doing anything then when we are offered the best PG in the league we reject, and not smart because, well that’s self explanitory. Hell, there are tons of players out there I hate, but if they were on my team I would emrace them becuase they were a Nugget! It’s really that easy. Kind of like how maybe Andrew does for Melo and you guys all chew his ass for it.
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by GoldenNugget on Jul 28, 2010 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah that's a deal breaker
Not only are they black, but they look like knee-high’s that have fallen.
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by Joelsopinion on Jul 27, 2010 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
This is prob Denver's best offer (might be giving up too much)
Denver trades
Kenyon Martin
Chauncey Billups
Arron Afflalo
2012 first
2011 1st
Denver receives
Chris Paul
Emeka Okafor
James Posey
New Orleans trades
Chris Paul
Emeka Okafor
James Posey
New Orleans receives
Kenyon Martin
Arron Afflalo
Tyler Hansbrough
Brandon Rush
Indiana 2011 1st
Denver 2012 1st
Denver 2011 1st
Sacramento trades
Carl Landry
Sacramento recieves
Chauncey Billups
Solomon Jones
Indiana Trades
Tyler Hansbrough
Brandon Rush
Solomon Jones
2011 1st
Indiana Receives
Carl Landry
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From Denver’s point of view, it would be a good trade even though we lose some firsts and Afflalo(would hate to lose him) , but we do get 3 rotation players (one big and one superstar) … not to mention there are a lot of player out there to replace AAA at SG….
We could get Delonte West, TMac, or Flip Murray for cheap or get a decent SG for our TPE…
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