Your move, Denver...
by Andrew Feinstein on Jul 12, 2010 10:03 PM MDT
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With the NBA Draft and the LeBron James signing fiasco behind us, Nuggets fans are getting justifiably anxious about their team's lack of wheeling-and-dealing this summer. While I only foresee one realistic move left for the Nuggets to make, it could vault them back into championship contention.
The Nuggets have to make a deal.
Last summer, the organization was able to get away with making small moves only (the acquisition of Arron Afflalo and Ty Lawson combined with the re-signing of Chris Andersen) as they had just come within two games of their first-ever NBA Finals appearance. But after a disappointing 2010 postseason, the Nuggets have to give season ticket holders a reason to justify re-upping for 2010-11. Ticket buyers don't want to spend our hard-earned money on a team that loses in the playoffs' first round for the seventh time in eight years. Moreover, last I checked there's still a recession going on out there.
Beyond delivering for the fans, the Nuggets are in a unique position to leapfrog back into being the Western Conference's second-best team slot (which, by winning 53 games last season, they weren't too far from to begin with). With the Lakers stealthily adding former Nugget point guard Steve Blake this summer, they've solidified their position as the West's best team. But with Phoenix and Utah taking a giant step backward after the losing Amare Stoudemire and Carlos Boozer (plus Kyle Korver and possibly Wesley Matthews), respectively, to free agency, the Nuggets might be in the catbird seat if they can jettison Kenyon Martin's onerous contract now.
Those who follow this site closely will find the following trade scenario familiar. But now that the NBA Draft has come and gone and the major free agents have landed in their new locales, many of the names I suggested two months ago are no longer available. For example, now that Golden State has traded Corey Maggette, Ronny Turiaf and Anthony Randolph away, won't they want to keep Andris Biedrins at center to play alongside newly acquired David Lee? And while acquiring Al Jefferson makes many Nuggets fans salivate, I'm suspect about his ability to co-exist with Nene as they're essentially the same player: offense-first power forwards forced to play center.
Therefore, the Nuggets need to make a deal for a true center, assuming the following...
...Carmelo Anthony re-signs for three years. This means the Nuggets have a three-year window with which to surround Melo with the best possible squad before we get LeBron'd in Denver. Should Melo not re-sign, the Nuggets are better off trading him now and building for the future rather than taking on veteran salaries.
...Kenyon Martin's "no timetable for return" means we'll be lucky to see K-Mart in uniform by the All-Star break and even then, I'm skeptical that his explosiveness will ever be seen again.
...all traded salaries are within 75% of each other as mandated by the NBA's trading rules.
...there will be a lockout effective July 1st, 2011. You'll see shortly why this assumption is important.
Taking the above into consideration, the only viable move I see for Denver that gives us a fighting chance to beat the Lakers next season is to trade Kenyon Martin to the Hornets for center Emeka Okafor and backup shooting guard / small forward James Posey.
This trade makes a lot of sense for a number of reasons.
First, the only way to part with K-Mart's contract (which pays him $16.5 million this season, the last of his contract) is to take on hefty salaries of players that go beyond 2010-11 that financially distraught teams no longer want to pay. Enter the New Orleans Hornets. They're one of, if not the, most destitute NBA franchises financially and they'd love to get out of paying Okafor's contract (which pays him $14.5 million in 2013-2014).
Second, while Okafor had a dreadful 2009-10 campaign, that doesn't change the fact that he's not yet 28 years old, is a legitimate big man center and, if properly coached, is good for at least 14 points, 10 rebounds and almost two blocks per game. Additionally, Okafor is happy to defer to a more offensive-minded player. By adding Okafor, the Nuggets could move Nene to power forward - his natural position - where I remain confident he'll thrive if given the opportunity to play the four-spot without having to tangle with opposing teams' centers. An Okafor-Nene-Melo front line could hold its own against Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol and Ron Artest.
Third, Posey - a la Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, Vinnie Johnson and other great champion role players - thrives in high-pressure, big-game situations and isn't afraid to mix it up physically with opposing players. Even though Posey is on the wrong side of 33 years old, by joining Okafor in Denver Posey would have that opportunity to play in meaningful basketball games one more time. Furthermore, while Posey is owed a painful $6.9 million next season - the last year of his contract - the looming lockout will likely cut the actual payout to Posey in half.
With Okafor and Posey on board, the Nuggets lineup would look as follows...
SF- Carmelo Anthony / PF - Nene / C - Emeka Okafor / PG - Chauncey Billups / SG - Arron Afflalo
Bench: J.R. Smith, James Posey, Ty Lawson, Chris Andersen, Renaldo Balkman
Including a lockout-shortened 2011-12 season, this trade would give the Nuggets a two-year window to take one more shot at an NBA title before Billups can no longer start on an NBA team, while also demonstrating to Melo that we're here to win in the postseason. Work will need to be done to pick up a backup power forward to spell Nene, but even championship teams don't have more than three decent bench players.
One more thought. With George Karl signing a one-year deal and his health far from a certainty, I have a hunch that this is the type of team he'd love to coach. As many readers have suggested, the Nuggets should also consider hiring a former head coach, like Mike Brown, to take some of the load off Karl and be available should Karl need to miss a few games next season. Brown in particular - a horrible offensive coach but a tremendous defensive coach - would be a great fit to get the Nuggets focused on defense.
The Nuggets options are very limited. The local media and the fanbase are begging for a big man, but it's much easier said than done and I haven't seen concrete suggestions rooted in reality (lest we forget that the other 29 NBA teams aren't here to serve our Nuggets' wishes). Picking up Okafor is admittedly a gamble. He had an awful season last year and has had back problems in the past. But if Melo commits for three more seasons - and the fans commit by packing the Pepsi Center again - the Nuggets organization should commit by putting a team on the floor that has a chance to do serious damage. Otherwise, we might as well blow the whole roster up and go with Jeff Bzdelik at coach again.
The window on the Nuggets Second Golden Era will close eventually. But as of today, it's open just enough to make noise in the Western Conference next season.
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Sorry Andrew, but there's a reason that there have been CP3 trade rumors,
it’s because Okafor AND Posey both have extremely horrible deals that New Orleans is desperate to dump. IF we called offering an expirer (one that might be covered by insurance) they’d say no take backs and run away with it. Btw while I think Okafor is the kind of rebounder and defender we need, he’s only like 6’9" and he only plays well in a slowed down offense. So unless the Nuggets are getting Paul or Collison, there’s no way we take on Okafor AND Posey’s atrocious deals. Not to mention Thorton and/ or Brackins would have to be included.
I'm confused
In one breath you say they’d take it and run, but in another you say we wouldn’t do it? Because we’d want a PG? I don’t see that as being the case here. Billups/Lawsome is more than adequate for next year, possibly the one after that as well…
Well we'd trade Collison or Billups for someone else...
my point is no way any team trades an expiring deal for Okafor AND Posey… those are two horrible contracts…
+1 hvino
This is a terrible trade idea. I’d rather take a chance on Kmart coming back at full strength.
He's not coming back
full strength. Karl said at the summer league it’s at least the first 40 games. Most likely, he’s done in Denver completely.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 12, 2010 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd still rather take the chance
Okafor and posey bring nothing to the table. At least with Kmart we have the chance that he will be back to his dominant defensive form.
He's unreliable.
Last season was his best ever until, well, it wasn’t anymore. When we needed him most, he was gone.
So you think the answer is Okafor and Posey?
If that is the case then I may tell you to step away from the bong for a while.
I didn't say they were the answer but neigher is kmart
and nobody gets between me and Casper the friendly bong.
On July 8th right after LeBron's announcement.
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by Nate Timmons on Jul 12, 2010 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
nene is NOT a forward
watching closely during the season nene played his best against starting nba CENTERS. at the 8 minute mark of the 1st quarter nene would get subbed by andersen. when nene returned in the 2nd quarter to sub for kmart he would go against a 2nd string forward and get outplayed. okafor has a better offensive game facing the basket and is a better perimeter defender then nene. no way denver gets a former head coach for an assistant. they start at $500,000 and go up from there. like the idea of okafor but NENE IS NOT A FORWARD!
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
we're on a mission from god
With you on Nene
I constantly hear how Nene’s natural position is pf but with the exception of him occasionally having a good game, he seems to be weak at either position. I think we all have seen the potential there but over all he gets played regardless of whether hes at center or pf.
Suns just made some moves
They traded 4 hedo turkoglu and josh childress. Id place them above the nuggets. Btw i woudnt mind that trade as i love posey but okafor was good his first 2 years and has gotton worse ever since.
by Birdman and Jay arah on Jul 12, 2010 10:38 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
I wouldn't, the Suns essentially just got 2 SFs... ya they both might play at other positions, but they won't be that good at SG/PF
trust me, this seemed more like a panic move than anything
They've added weapons
That much is at least true. Both guys are scorers, going to a score-first team with a wise PG running the show. I’m fearful they’ll figure it out. And the Suns have always been unorthodox in their ways, and effective.
Further, I think Okafor has been battling a combo of injuries, coaching changes, new scenery with being traded, and a plethora of things that have held him back over his short career. I think he could be a gem if he could stay healthy and be reassured of some solidarity in a location like Denver. Who cares if he isn’t accustomed to a running-oriented offense (which it’s kinda debatable if we really are), he’s not going to be the focal point of the offense in any event. It’s going to be 4 on 5 when we get on the offensive end and a legit 5 on 5 on the defensive end with a little muscle in the paint. Our 4 on the offensive side is more than adequate though. And yes his height is a concern defensively but the proverbial “Shaq defense” requirement isn’t really there anymore when looking at who we have to go thru to get to the title (face it D-Howard isn’t going to sniff the finals in any of the next 3-5 years with the Heat, Bulls, and possibly Celts, in the way, none of which is a legit big-man holder). So can Okafor and Nene compete with Gasol and Bynum? That’d be the main question here I think. Can he turn into a Rodman type? That’s what I’d hope for out of an undersized guy… some tenacity to make up for it. Does he posses that? I don’t really know myself.
Suns are worse on balance
Yes, they added those two, but they lost stoudemire.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 12, 2010 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
the suns justify losing one all star big man by getting a bench big and 2 starting quality wings
ya they’re more talented… but not much better than a 6th seed
Stoudemire was straight scoring
And zero else. I know because he was a waste of space on my fantasy squad all last year. He was good for about 8 boards, but not of the ancillary stuff… not an assist guy, not good for steals, nothin but 19/8… and that 8 was a weak 8 at that… sorta like Nene’s.
Not bad
if they could do that trade and pick up amundson for the Bi-annual exemption. That would still leave the full MLE for another player, although there is a good chance they don’t use it if they get that trade.
What are you assuming they do with Kleiza in this scenario? Matching his contract gives them a lot more options because it frees up the option to trade J.R. should they choose.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 12, 2010 11:40 AM MDT reply actions
I think
They should s&t Linus for Marco belinelli. The raps are getting Childress, so no need for belinelli. Then trade jr and a first for either gortat or jr and filler, but no pick for beandrins.
by Monkfish on Jul 12, 2010 1:20 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Can't s&t once an offer sheet is signed
That ship has sailed away.
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Well, we would have to wait
But 30 days from now we could do it.
by Monkfish on Jul 12, 2010 6:32 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
One thing to remember
is that Kmart can’t be traded for a couple of more weeks. It is possible that the team has a good idea of a trade for Kmart, but has to wait to be able to trade him. If they talk about a deal now, it gives other teams a couple of weeks to jump ahead of them with other offers.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 12, 2010 11:51 AM MDT reply actions
Sorry holmes I can't believe it
The FO tugged and hinted at something like this last off season and we got bupkiss. I think Wark and Co. are all out of aces.
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by Joelsopinion on Jul 13, 2010 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions
While I agree that the particular trade you proposed would be ok
it’s highly doubtful the Nuggets would do it. I’m starting to get the feeling (not to be too negative) that they aren’t particularly interested in the big guys that haven’t been rumored already. Outside of Biedrins or Jefferson I don’t think the Nuggets are too interested.
One of the reasons we have all been so panicked is because we don’t have any bigs to start the season. For some reason, the Nuggets don’t seem to be particularly worried about it…..which makes me wonder if they are confident or just REALLY depressed/inept
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Thorton or collison would have to be included
Or picks, from them. The hornets (theoretically) will save 64 million buck$. That is if Kenyon sits out the season. Worst case for the hornets, they save only 50 million dollars.
This, would be a fair trade for both squads.
Nuggets send
-Kmart
-2nd round draft pick
-Karl if needed
Hornets send
-Emeka Okafor
-James posey
-Marcus thorton
-Aaron gray
by Monkfish on Jul 12, 2010 12:05 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Not too bad
I kind of like the proposed trade. Everybody is saying that Emeka Okafor has gotten worse which is true, but if you surround him with Melo, Chauncy, and Nene he doesn’t have a lot of pressure on him and can just play relaxed. If anything I like the idea because the Nuggets are running out of ideas and are on the verge of losing Melo.
Melo has to be thinking “I can’t wait for next summer when all the attention is on me and I can go play in MSG, especially after seeing all of his friends at his wedding just happy as hell that they all get to play together”
People take many things way too serious.
I can get a rise out of you.
I kinda see a little Joe Smith in Okafor
Am I wrong? High expectations coupled with early coaching woes (not sure if he had injuries), but overall good talent and a seemingly likeable high character sort of guy… Off base with this?
ummm yea I think your on to something
good talent, likeable, not really troublesome and really high expectations
i’d say that fits the bill
People take many things way too serious.
I can get a rise out of you.
If we add Lou and sign a C
I think the Nuggets are in great shape. If we miss out on Lou, we are going to need to take Hunter or someone else from the summer league to get another body behind Nene and Bird.
Swats.
Haslem offer
Just read that Denver has offered Haslem the full MLE. Dallas and Miama also making offers, though Miami’s is smaller.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 12, 2010 1:40 PM MDT reply actions
Udonis would be a great fit in Denver
He may not see a lot of play but he’s a capable backup for Bird and an adequate replacement for Kenyon.
Swats.
Sun Sentinel got an email from Haslem saying he turned down deals from Denver and Dallas and will return to Heat.
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by Nate Timmons on Jul 12, 2010 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Well....back to the drawing board
or in the Nuggets case….construction paper and crayons
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Well that didn't last long.
First solid info. about nuggets making an offer and it’s shot down in 20 minutes.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 12, 2010 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions
That pretty much sums up the Nuggets Offseason so far
Ubaldo "Iron Arm" Jimenez
Seth Smith’s beard looks on in anticipation.
by Colsportsfan on Jul 12, 2010 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions
AND ANOTHER OPTION GONE
why would he want to play for the Heat anyways? Weird
People take many things way too serious.
I can get a rise out of you.
Because he and Wade are great friends
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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No, not at all
That’s why I said they were friends, and didn’t go into stats and junk.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
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I only do this trade
If we sign Harrington to come off teh bench for Nene and even then I don’t like Okafer that much. I know having Harrington, JR and Posey on the bench means a shit load of three pointers but at least we have a steady amount of three point optioins.
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Denver is going to sign some of the Summer League players
Almost assuredly. I think the FO and Kroenke are actually playing it smart and not locking themselves into ridiculous contracts before the next CBA which will give them flexibility in the next few seasons with the Nuggets’ expirings.
Swats.
Is that enough for Melo to stick around though?
The big albatross hanging around the Nuggets necks is…..if they play it too safe, Melo doesn’t sign and they are forced to trade him. With that in mind….we would have a summer league roster, Chauncey, AAA, Nene and Ty….Kenyon and JR cleared out for cap space and whatever crap we can get for Melo (considering the situation next year….who know what we’d get in return)
That would essence of the word “rebuilding”
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If that Happens
They’d also jettison Billups. They would only have Bird, Balkman, and Nene under contract for 2011/2012. Complete rebuild.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 12, 2010 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Rebuilding happens
If Melo does go, so be it, nothing we can do about it. Otherwise, isn’t it better for the team long term for us to not overpay ridiculously (see also: Johan Petro, Wes Matthews, Joe Johnson) for fringe free agents when it would be better to develop cheap talent and work with the good pieces we already have?
I just don’t get the air of panic right now. It’s not like the Nuggets were (or are) a Finals team, so why all the “OH GOD THE SKY IS FALLING”?
We will make the moves important to keeping the team as viable as possible while also restructuring the team after Kenyon is gone. I think NOT locking into stupid contracts is a very important part of that.
Swats.
It would be easier to imagine if Kenyon could play
I don’t see the Hornets doing it, not in a million years.
They are a playoff team with a healthy Chris Paul next year. The Nuggets secret is out. Kenyon is maybe 50/50 that he plays at all next year. In a basketball sense, he is useless to any team with aspirations of contending. New Orleans does this trade, the next move is likely trading Chris Paul. What the Hornets really want to do is dump Peja, not Okafor. And that’s what they are going to demand we take in a trade for Kenyon
At the trade deadline, there will be teams whose plans have gone awry and they will be looking to dump. A purely financially motivated trade could happen then. But by then it will probably be too late for the Nuggets too.
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Nobody is trading for KMart as a player
His sole value is as an expiring contract. If his health is actually a little worse that would actually be a benefit in trade talks because then you could start looking at insurance and the Injury Trade Exception (1/2 of KMart’s salary).
For those that keep saying “If KMart gets to full strength”… he’s never been at full strength! That’s the sad greek tragedy about KMart… but he gotta whole lot of money for being broken so he really can’t complain much.
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by the word on Jul 12, 2010 5:39 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fisher rejects Heat
Yes! One step closer to A.C. being the starting PG on a team that wants to win the Title!
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 12, 2010 4:06 PM MDT reply actions
When the heat
don’t win the title, it’s going to be the biggest national case of schadenfreude ever!
(and if I spelled that right, it’s purely luck.)
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jul 12, 2010 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions
You spelled it right
and I agree, can’t wait for it to happen year after year
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Can someone explain something to me?
Why is everyone demanding the front office make a major move this offseason?
I don’t get it.
Denver is a long way from a Finals team as currently constructed, and that’s the reality. If you disagree I invite you to interview Kenyon Martin’s kneecaps, J.R. Smith’s head and Nene’s desire to dominate (if you can find it). Next year the Nuggets will have only 2 players under contract: Renaldo Balkman and Chris Andersen. Everyone else is a team option (Ty), ETO (Carmelo, Nene), non-guaranteed (Chauncey) or qualifying offer (Afflalo), putting us at $51m in 2011, well under the luxury tax threshold.
I’m sure this will raise some hackles, but this is what I think:
1. Ty Lawson is the future of the Nuggets, not Carmelo Anthony. PGs with Ty’s talent come along once in a generation and I really believe he’ll be what the future Nuggets are built around. That means a solid frontcourt rotation and hopefully keeping Carmelo alongside him, but as we have heard Carmelo’s name is always swirling in trade rumors.
2. We have no idea how the CBA is going to affect cap room or player contracts, but what we are almost sure of is that it will be MORE restrictive than it has been in the past, not less.
So why is everyone demanding we lock ourselves into what would probably be an overpaid free agent over the next few years once the new CBA is established? Why don’t we compete with the team as is, hopefully develop some new talent out of the summer league invites, and use the summer of 2011 to retool around Ty and (maybe) Carmelo Anthony?
People act as though the Nuggets are one step away when in reality they are about a mile. I am a lifelong Nuggets fan and it’s hard truth, but I believe that’s the way it is. We should stop taking a look at the Nuggets as presently constructed and in a “Win Now” mode and get a head start on the future.
Swats.
by BeefySwats on Jul 12, 2010 4:49 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
You really don't think Carmelo is in the Nugget's future
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
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No, I really don't.
I think if Carmelo was in the Nuggets future he’d have signed his extension already. He has an obvious east coast connection in being close friends with ’Bron and going to school at Syracuse.
He’s made his opinion on needing help known and I don’t think the Nuggets are going to give it to him this season. Which means he’s already either made up his mind about where he’s going, or he’s going to take the extension and wait it out. I’d say it’s more likely the former at this point, and it won’t be in a city that starts with “D”.
Swats.
It's not panicking to say we are rebuilding
it’s a harsh…well….VERY harsh reality if that is the case. If the scenario you painted happens then why don’t the Nuggets trade Melo now and stop with this charade. I have no problem (other than unwatchable basketball) with rebuilding if we have a plan Beefy.
Trade Melo now…..get whatever you can…and tell the fans you are rebuilding. Done and done. I just hope the Nuggets aren’t marching chicken shit out there and telling us its chicken salad.
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The Nugs aren't rebuilding...yet
They’re stuck in the purgatory of doing nothing and blaming their cap number.
I’ve notice, the Nugs are now #3 in 2010 Cap #. It’s not because they’ve been spending; it’s because almost everybody else got off their FO asses and addressed their problems why the Nugs did nothing.
I’ll hold out to the last bitter end before giving up Melo. Give up Stan before Melo… The Nugs have had decades of cheap, incompetent, broke, clueless, stupid, misdirected owners. Owners can be replaced.
The Nugs have not had a player like Melo since the days of Skywalker. That’s 30 frikkin years. You don’t screw the pooch when you have a player like that… you just don’t.
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To be fair why would Melo have signed already
The only reason would be out of blind loyalty but this team went out in the first round 6 out of 7 times. Melo has until next July to sign the extension. The front office has not hinted that they want to improve the team. They haven’t made any efforts to improve the team in over a year. The last move they made to take on money and improve the team was Arron Afflalo, that was 364 days ago. Give reason a Melo to sign and he might have done it. But, they really have done nothing.
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by runningdonut on Jul 12, 2010 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions
huh?
Is there some sarcasm there or is that for real? Once a generation players that are drafted 18th and don’t earn a starting spot in their rookie year must be even rarer than typical once a generation players, maybe once every 3rd generation or once in the history of basketball…
I'm trying very hard to not play the "Are you smokin weed" :) comment but here we go
Safe to say I’ve been likely the most critical poster towards the Nuggets… but.
2 years ago the Nugs truly were 1player away from challenging for the title (if they didn’t go cheap & buyout McDyess I think he would’ve been the difference against the Lakers).
They are no longer 1 player away. Frankly I feel bad for Billups. It’s great to return home; but I doubt the Stan was honest with Billups and told him he had no intention on chasing a title. If he was up front & honest, would Billups really have come to Denver in a no-hope cut-costs situation?
Acquiring Billups put Denver in a 3year window to win a title. This is year 3; they could still chase a title if Short Arm Deep Pockets Stan just steps up and commits for 1year.
Re: #1: Lawson is not the future of the Nugs. He looks to have a very bright future; but the league’s history is littered with comparable PG who couldn’t develop their game to be top players… He looks great but the jury is still out.
Re: #2: That’s why doing nothing but letting KMart’s & JR’s contracts expire is cap suicide. Even if everything stays status quo the Nugs would still only be under the cap by a couple of million so doing nothing is a stupid move.
If Stan’s plan is to do nothing but cut costs, roll out an adequate product on the court, that’s fine; but I expect him to step out of the shadows and be honest with the fans and with Melo. Stan has the money and the revenue streams (cable channel, owns the arena, controls concessions, parking, etc.) so this is not a poverty step but a deliberate one.
That’s why real life NBA owners wear the big boy pants.
Just think WWCD (What Would Cuban Do) and then decide whether to be pissed or not.
And btw to the Cuban trashers; though Cuban likely has less money, the Mavs consistently have been a better team then the Nugs and have done something the Nugs never have done… played in the NBA finals. That’s kind of a combination of “glass houses” and “scoreboard”.
Making it out of the 1st round of the playoffs only once doesn’t give you Bitch Slap Power over the other teams.
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Remember the Alamo", "Remember the Maine", "Remember the Hunter Trade"
"Contenders commit to building a champion; pretenders end up getting bit right on their pick axe"
I don't 100% agree with you but I gotta say...
I respect you for going out on a limb and totally backing a player. Most people don’t.
Great post, word.
Pretty much covers it all. If Silent Stan doesn’t do something this season, then we’re looking at losing this generation’s version of David Thompson/Alex English/, even Kiki Vandeweghe.
Players w/ Melo’s talent don’t come a dime a dozen- & to have probably the best & most versatile scorer in the league & NOT do everything to back him, is misguided & stoooopid!
I’m w/ all those who just want a straight answer- stop peeing on the fans & telling us its raining!
Btw- on PTI Woody GUARANTEED that Melo was coming back. Hmmmmm
If Melo is gone, good luck...
In this day and age in the NBA, and in a market like Denver, we lose a player of Melo’s stature and we are not likely to see that kind of player again, or be close to sniffing a title either. Unless something changes with the 1 and done rule in college or the labor issues change the league dramatically, we will have a hard time getting a top talent to play here, and no free agent worth a salt would want to come to this team without Melo, Karl (if he only coaches one more year), and have to deal with this joke of a FO and ownership. I’m starting to accept the realization that our Nuggets are only capable of getting to the WC Finals once every 20-25 years or so give or take, but may never make it to the NBA Finals in my lifetime, being the only major franchise in town not to have a shot at a championship. I think the Nuggets will end up in St. Louis eventually…
Nuggets is St. Louis? That makes no freaking sense.
That is one of the most nonsensical comments I’ve ever read here. Kroenke owns the Pepsi Center and Altitude Sports. I really don’t think he wants to leave his arena empty on 45+ nights per year and put his TV network out of business.
nuggets in st. louis makes all kinds of sense
the 45+ open dates can easily be filled. the big issue is overhead. the players cost 75 million. the coaches, trainers and support staff push the total to 80 million. take 45 dates and multiply by 20,000. that is a total of 900,000 paying customers. the great western stock show takes place every january for 16 days. the largest single day attendance was 63,000. the problem with the stock show is the present facillities cannot meet the demand. relocating to the pepsi center would be a win win for all concerned. at that time of the year mile high stadium (home of the broncos) sits vacant. elitch gardens is closed and the campus for metro state is shut down for christmas. people come from all over the world to see the western stock show. denver may lose the event if a facility upgrade does not occour. just using round numbers if 50,000 people show up for 16 days that would be 800,000. 45 b-ball home dates minus 16 stock show days leaves 29 open dates to make up 100,000 patrons. (difference between the stock show attendence and selling out 45 home date for b-ball) last season the nuggets had only 22 sell outs for 41 home dates. the pepsi center could easily schedule around a hockey team. it would be very difficult to try to fit the stock show around a schedule for both a hockey and basketball teams. hosting college sporting events and getting a WNBA team along with the great western stock show could be a bigger moneymaker then the nuggets. pepsi center could make up 100,000 fans in a single week. the pepsi center already hosted the democratic convetion. hosting a bunch of cowboys for 2 weeks would be easy compared to the democrats.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
we're on a mission from god
what I meant was....
basically a throw away line out of frustration….who knows what Kroenke is going to do, because they don’t call him “Silent Stan” for nothing. He doesn’t seem to care about the Avs that much, and only paid luxury tax for like one year or so with Nugs on A.I. then got scared to spend money. Why he would invest more money in the St. Louis Rams is beyond me? However stock show boy nohoops4u seems to have the place booked up….that would be sad, ruining the inside of the beautiful pepsi center with all that stock show stank. I’m sorry, I have no desire to ever to go that, I was taught not to play with my food before eating it.
Al Jefferson to Utah?????
NBA.com’s David Aldridge said Utah Jazz is close to a deal that brings in Al Jefferson from MIN for future draft picks!!!!!!
I hate the Jazz so so much now
Before today, hey, at least we won’t have to deal with the Jazz again, right??
Turns out, I was wrong.
formerly uh
QPU #12 I think?
Why hate the Jazz??
Because they have the cojones and savvy to make some deals?? The news just keeps getting worse every day on the Nugs, i keep dreaming that the Nugs are just lying in the weeds to pull of a major deal right before the start of the season like they did with A.I. for Chauncey….but it may be just wishful thinking, and the end result will be Melo gone for a few draft picks and some horrible contracts.
Because I am a biased Nuggets fan who is fed up with the front office
And exactly because the Jazz are actually trying to get better.
Last year we had Affalo and Ty Lawson at least…this year we have no one!
formerly uh
QPU #12 I think?
Most publicized "big" names remaing out there that the Nugs are now rumored with
Brad Miller (too old, can’t stay healthy)… looks like going to Boston, Miami or Chicago
Theo Ratliff (too old, can’t stay healthy) how does this name keep recycling; he’s been playing since 1995 and has had only 5seasons where he’s played more than 60 games… none since 2004.
Francisco Elson: why even bother commenting on this one
Anthony Tolliver: He’d be ok if you’re signing him to develop and not as a rotation player
Amundson: Other than the rumor last week, no other word… not a good sign
Harrington: Not a single word of rumor connecting the nugs to him; but it’s a preferred choice of some of the posters
Gortat: Orlando’s trying to cut salary in order to re-sign Barnes & match Reddick. Orlando wants cap relief but I don’t expect them to accept a pure salary dump; besides the Nugs don’t have enough to offer a pure cap dump.
The only way the nugs could acquire Gortat is if Orlando would be willing to take Birdman (plus Karl). Both contracts are 4yrs and Orlando saves $2m this year.
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Remember the Alamo", "Remember the Maine", "Remember the Hunter Trade"
"Contenders commit to building a champion; pretenders end up getting bit right on their pick axe"
trade JR for Gortat
this has been suggested a million times, and salary-wise it works. If the Magic throw in Ryan Anderson, it still works I think, and they save $1m-plus this year. Then JR’s contract expires.
I doubt the Magic would take on Bird’s contract (3 more years): they need more than a drip-drip reduction in cap space. They need to clear some pretty serious money, and the above would give them $8m in relief in June 2011.
I don't think Orlando will do that trade unless they thought they could immediately buy out JR
Orlando is looking for 2010 cap relief more than 2011. They have $20m coming off the books in 2011 with Anderson’s & Vinny’s contracts being Team Options.
Personally I’d do the deal; But there’s very little upside to Orlando’s part. The Magic wants to cut cost but also wants a title. Giving up Gortat leaves them too thin up front. Only if Magic could unload Vinny would they consider JR I suspect.
On a related note I’d s&t the $3.7m TE to Orlando for Barnes & sign him to 4yr contract starting at $3.5m. Then I’d look to unload JR first chance.
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Remember the Alamo", "Remember the Maine", "Remember the Hunter Trade"
"Contenders commit to building a champion; pretenders end up getting bit right on their pick axe"
How can I say this politely...
I DON’T WANT FUCKING VINCE CARTER ON THE TEAM!!
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
Quitter's Proud United Member #11
Unless you're speaking on behalf of the Orlando Magic... nobody on this side wants Vinny either
The trades I’d support are: Birdman for Gortat (completely dependent on if Orlando would want Bird)… saves Orlando $2m this year
Sign & Trade the $3.7TE to Orlando for Barnes and sign him for 4yrs starting at $3.5m
My point that brought up the cursed name of Vinny is I don’t see any reason why the Magic would be willing to take JR as long as Vinny is on their team. Both JR & Vinny fall of the books after next year and Orlando couldn’t possibly give up Gortat for JR… again for the same reasons.
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Remember the Alamo", "Remember the Maine", "Remember the Hunter Trade"
"Contenders commit to building a champion; pretenders end up getting bit right on their pick axe"
I know it's fun to figure out who we could dump JR off on... but
All the other teams and their owners & FO have newspapers & ESPN so they’re witness to the same JR crap that we are witness to.
Other than teams in circus freak mode such as Nets I can’t see any team wanting JR & his problems save for the teams in full salary dump mode and often times those teams want something else of value too such as a 1st round pick.
Now having written that…. let’s see who we can dump JR off on!!!
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Remember the Alamo", "Remember the Maine", "Remember the Hunter Trade"
"Contenders commit to building a champion; pretenders end up getting bit right on their pick axe"
I wouldn't call it "fun"
We’re trying to do the same thing with K-Mart, and we haven’t gotten anywhere. It’s only “fun” if it happens. Until then, it’s nothing but false hope.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
Quitter's Proud United Member #11
I hear that!
Stan won’t do it but I’d wish they’d build without including KMart & JR and then trade them at the deadline or sooner. If they try to trade them at the dealine and bring back rotation improvements it’ll be too late and they will be hosed come playoff time… see Mavs & Cavs last year.
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Remember the Alamo", "Remember the Maine", "Remember the Hunter Trade"
"Contenders commit to building a champion; pretenders end up getting bit right on their pick axe"
You don't know that
Nobody does. The Celtics and Spurs sat their key players throughout the year, thus, keeping them somewhat fresh for the Playoffs, and it payed off. San Antonio beat Dallas and the Celtics were a few plays away from dethroning the Lakers . If Denver did the same with Chauncey, we would have had a better chance at beating the Jazz.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
Quitter's Proud United Member #11
But the nugs didn't wouldn't and couldn't because they refused to invest in team depth
How stupid was it to play Billups too many minutes last. Each of the last several years Billups has run out of gas during the playoffs. That alone should’ve told Karl and the FO to play Billups less like you suggested. Instead they play him more and have him play minutes as a SG too.
You hit on the very point I’ve been making since last season, you can’t sustain a team through the season & playoffs with only an 8man rotation; especially when several of those players have a history of not staying healthy.
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Remember the Alamo", "Remember the Maine", "Remember the Hunter Trade"
"Contenders commit to building a champion; pretenders end up getting bit right on their pick axe"
You hit on the very point I’ve been making since last season, you can’t sustain a team through the season & playoffs with only an 8man rotation; especially when several of those players have a history of not staying healthy.
Exactly. One of the main reason why we got so far in the 2008-2009 season was because we had a 9 man rotation.
We didn’t have that this year. People blame it on the fact that George Karl wasn’t there, but that’s no excuse. The Nuggets should have been the better team. Instead, the Jazz sent us home fishing earlier then expected.
If anything, I would have blamed it on the injuries, but that would have been pretty dumb too, because Portland was missing half of their roster and fought hard against the Suns.
I don’t know what your standards are this year, but I’m not expecting much.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
Quitter's Proud United Member #11
I am completely convinced
That we will do nothing. It sucks, because I was quite hopeful. At this point, I don’t really see any options. The FO will sign a couple of stiffs for the minimum and call it good. Absolutely nothing to get excited about. As a Broncos and Nuggets fan, I am quite surprised that it is the Nuggets FO letting us down. Though it may not work, at least the Broncos are trying to do something (and I know this is a conversation for another site).
Well, at least you guys have the Broncos...
….Buahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
Quitter's Proud United Member #11
jefferson got traded to utah
QUITTER'S PEOPLE UNITED # 3
a proud follower of pickaxes, the star, and the almighty cervelli
win/loss records do not matter when you have a magnificent bastard
F ME!!!!!!!
Dammit! Not only do we lose out on the guy I wanted us to get, he goes to the damn nemesis!?!?!?!
This blows!
i swear i don't know what's going on with the FO or the owners
QUITTER'S PEOPLE UNITED # 3
a proud follower of pickaxes, the star, and the almighty cervelli
win/loss records do not matter when you have a magnificent bastard
"If my players don't start producing there'll be more fireworks around here by the Fourth of July than anyone can imagine." The Boss (1982)
"The next time you drive me to the wall, I'll throw you over it."
"What do you mean try? If I want to fire you, I'll fire you." (on martin)
well that's a good place to start
i rest my faith to their hands
QUITTER'S PEOPLE UNITED # 3
a proud follower of pickaxes, the star, and the almighty cervelli
win/loss records do not matter when you have a magnificent bastard
"If my players don't start producing there'll be more fireworks around here by the Fourth of July than anyone can imagine." The Boss (1982)
"The next time you drive me to the wall, I'll throw you over it."
"What do you mean try? If I want to fire you, I'll fire you." (on martin)
Come on guys (Crossposted from FA thread)
I’m actually happy the Nugget’s FO is being relatively quiet this offseason. The Nuggets are a long way from winning a title as presently constructed and the FA pickings are getting pretty bare at this point, so why overpay for a FA who won’t put you over the top without seeing what the CBA will even be like?
I’d be happy with them signing some summer league talent to replace Bird and Kenyon, evaluate trade options as they approach the deadline and look at 2011 as the start of some serious team restructuring.
Al Jefferson is not the answer. He’s old, has had a major knee surgery and plays as much defense as Amare, plus he never passes out of the post. He would not have been what we needed and I’m glad we didn’t get him.
Brad Miller is not the answer. He’s slow as fuck and would be awful in the Nuggets uptempo system.
Fesenko, Oberto…really? Those aren’t even worth taking seriously.
So why lock ourselves into a ridiculous, overpaid FA contract?
Calm down. We’re not winning the finals anytime soon (read: next season) and thus have no reason to make retarded trades that will hamstring us in the future. We need to be smart and plan ahead, so I’m glad the FO is taking their time. I would like to seem them give a chance to Othello Hunter, pick up another cheap big like Nathan Jawai and sign Coby Karl, and we’d have a fleshed out roster for the season:
PG: Chauncey/Ty
SG: JR/Afflalo/Karl
SF: Carmelo/Balkman
PF: Hunter/Jawai
C: Nene/Jawai
We won’t be winning any championships with that, but we sure as hell won’t be paying Wes Matthews $34 million dollars either.
Swats.
Also, if you want an example of a retarded trade...
Look at what Dallas is doing: trading Dampier, Matt Caroll and Najera to Charlotte for Tyson Chandler, and trying to sign Harrington for the MLE.
RIDICULOUS and absolutely the wrong moves because they feel the pressure.
Swats.
Dallas
Makes me LMAO. Cuban thinks by just buyin players he can win. I loved how he was soo cocky this year with the Caron Butler trade and they got knocked out by the old men Spurs.
Chandler will be EDamps 2.0. Dallas is the purgatory u guys talk about because their star doesn’t have the cajones to win. You can’t win the ’ship if Dirk is your #1.
by JR15 on Jul 13, 2010 2:01 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
only owner that can do that is up in heaven
QUITTER'S PEOPLE UNITED # 3
win/loss records do not matter when you have a magnificent bastard
"If my players don't start producing there'll be more fireworks around here by the Fourth of July than anyone can imagine." The Boss (1982)
"The next time you drive me to the wall, I'll throw you over it."
"What do you mean try? If I want to fire you, I'll fire you." (on martin)
At least he's trying to do something
What are we doing………………….?
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
Quitter's Proud United Member #11
Getting Jefferson
for two #1s is virtually nothing for a 20/10 guy. He’s now going to wreak havoc on the Nugs piss-poor front-line. I swear Minny has no idea how to build a team correctly.
Jeff from Cleveland wrote- I've figured out the moral of the story: Stay in school. Wade: 3 years at Marquette, Bosh: 1 year at Georgia Tech, the kid from Akron: no college. The most educated guy convinced his dumber friends to come play on his team for less money.
Nah
Nene can handle Al, he’s a better player in almost every area except rebounding. Utah mortgaged their future for a big with injury issues who doesn’t play defense. Fine by me!
Swats.
Regardless
Their frontline is in dire need to add quality pieces, and he’s better than Nene. Not by a long shot, but certainly an upgrade based on career averages. Plus, Al hasn’t had the benefit of playing with an elite talent like Melo.
Jeff from Cleveland wrote- I've figured out the moral of the story: Stay in school. Wade: 3 years at Marquette, Bosh: 1 year at Georgia Tech, the kid from Akron: no college. The most educated guy convinced his dumber friends to come play on his team for less money.
In addition
Like the below poster said, Al is almost three years younger than Nene.
Jeff from Cleveland wrote- I've figured out the moral of the story: Stay in school. Wade: 3 years at Marquette, Bosh: 1 year at Georgia Tech, the kid from Akron: no college. The most educated guy convinced his dumber friends to come play on his team for less money.
What?
So you are saying that it was a bad idea to dump a ball hogging bad defender getting paid 13 mil a year. Obviously, you wouldn’t know how to build a good team. How many games did minny win last year with big al as their #1 guy? 16?
by Monkfish on Jul 13, 2010 2:57 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
let’s trash the guy cause he played on a horrible team and franchise. We’ll see first hand when he averages over 20 and 10 this season with a real team.
Jeff from Cleveland wrote- I've figured out the moral of the story: Stay in school. Wade: 3 years at Marquette, Bosh: 1 year at Georgia Tech, the kid from Akron: no college. The most educated guy convinced his dumber friends to come play on his team for less money.
He would fit
right in with this group then. Still an upgrade since the Nugs have the exact same team as last season.
Jeff from Cleveland wrote- I've figured out the moral of the story: Stay in school. Wade: 3 years at Marquette, Bosh: 1 year at Georgia Tech, the kid from Akron: no college. The most educated guy convinced his dumber friends to come play on his team for less money.
Yeah, he would be an upgrade
Over kmart sitting at home. But in the grand scheme of things, Lou adamsun >>> Al Jefferson. And gortat or biendrins >>>>>>>>>>> Al jefferson.
by Monkfish on Jul 13, 2010 3:39 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree 100% propheteer
That is a deal between one of the best franchises in the NBA and arguably the worst franchise in the NBA. All the Al Jefferson haters please shut up because he is gonna make you eat crow next year.
When jefferson drops 25 on us every game
I will be laughing at the FO not mad. (actually i will be very mad). Dude has a serious low post game and this season he will be a year further away from the knee surgery which means hell be better. You see it all the time where players are much better in there second year back from the big surgery. And Al is 25. U calling Melo old?
by Birdman and Jay arah on Jul 13, 2010 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions
+1000000000
That was more of a steal than the Gasol trade back in the day that everybody talks about. Al Jeff is one of the top 15 bigs in todays game.
When jefferson drops 25 on us every game
I will be laughing at the FO not mad. (actually i will be very mad). Dude has a serious low post game and this season he will be a year further away from the knee surgery which means hell be better. You see it all the time where players are much better in there second year back from the big surgery. And Al is 25. U calling Melo old?
by Birdman and Jay arah on Jul 13, 2010 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions
His serious low post game is still significantly worse offensively than Nene's
And Nene is still a better defender. Nuff said.
Swats.
I think you're from Utah.....
Ask any GM in the league. 99% of them will take Al Jefferson over Nene.
Nuggets GM apparently doesn't agree with you.
So even if every other GM does agree with you thats only 96.67%.
Just because we didn't get him doesn't mean
That they don’t agree with the fact that Jefferson is better than Nene. They’d take that trade in a heartbeat. Al Jeff is a beast, and just like someone said above, a 2nd year removed from his injury has shown to be a greater leap in return to form than the first. I fear the Jazz now more than last year.
Yeah, so instead of paying Wes Matthews 34m, we're paying 34m to Harrington. Christ.
What a horrible, horrible move.
Swats.
Also why are we posting this clearly we won't win stuff
I still beleive if a KMart for Biedrens goes down and maybe signing Amundson would make us better than last year.
The same team that with G. Karl was pretty damn good.
I think Utah will be worse even with stop gap Al Jeferson(who will get hurt). They won’t jar Korver or Matthews either. Just relax people, I was hoping we would get Beasley or O’Neal but we sure as he’ll don’t need Al Jefferson
by JR15 on Jul 13, 2010 2:07 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Gortat
Couldn’t we sign someone to an unguaranteed contract ala Carlos delfino, delonte west or erick dampier? Delonte and Carlos have 500k guaranteed, but that’s basically a pure salary dump.
by Monkfish on Jul 13, 2010 2:14 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Not much incentive
for Melo to stay in Denver if the organization stands pat. I know they tried to get Haslem and O’Neal, but his is getting rediculous. How could they not outbid the Jazz’s two #1s draft picks for Jefferson. Kahn has officially lost his mind….again.
Jeff from Cleveland wrote- I've figured out the moral of the story: Stay in school. Wade: 3 years at Marquette, Bosh: 1 year at Georgia Tech, the kid from Akron: no college. The most educated guy convinced his dumber friends to come play on his team for less money.
Love the signature
And I agree that our FO is standing pat and we’re losing Melo. Accept the truth now before it becomes too bitter to swallow later. We lucked out getting Chauncey (actually we got screwed out of 6 million on account of Antonio McD) and haven’t done shit since then. This FO is content to let Melo walk, so Stan won’t feel like Gilbert nest season…He should feel worse, at least Gilbert attempted to keep LBJ around. The Nuggets will be Denver’s 4th sports team… again.
Via con Dios Brody
Q.P.U. # π
by Joelsopinion on Jul 13, 2010 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions
no incentive for MElway to stay?
unless he wants that 65 MILLION DOLLARS!!!
by InboundingLobPass on Jul 13, 2010 9:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Is it possible to get Scola in a S&T?
he’s a restricted free agent. I can’t imagine there is an offer we could make that the rockets wouldn’t match. but could they might give him up in a trade?
In our dreams
Nothing good is gonna happen to these Nugs for a long time. At least it looks that way now.
Nuggets finally pick someone up!!!
although honestly i dont think al harrington is the difference between us playing for a championship or not. but good first step.
Odd choice, Harrington...
and certainly not the difference maker, and falls into the category of moves BeefySwats urged us to avoid: long term commitments that mortgage the future without fixing the present.
If, however, the nuggs can also land a decent big to start, them we are looking at a second unit that includes Ty, JR and Harrington. Power-packed.
Haha!
We’re still completely screwed! I didn’t think we were going to miss Martin and Andersen this much, and Training Camp hasn’t even started yet!
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy.
Quitter's Proud United Member #11
Kmart for Okafor and Posey
So……..as Andrew has pointed out, this might be our way to get a Center. So why hasn’t it happened? Some possible reasons?
The Hornets are holding on by a string to keep Chris Paul and this trade might be conceived by their FO as getting rid of salaries yes, but not improving the team thus Paul’s frustration continues to grow?
The Nugs don’t want the longer term contracts on their books?
Waiting for that magical/mystical Aug. 22nd date? something to do with Kmart’s contract?
Other reasons?
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