The missing item on Kobe's resume? Defeating a champion...
As a Colorado native and a die-hard Nuggets fan, I'm predisposed to hate Kobe Bryant. But that doesn't mean I don't respect the hell out of his game and appreciate his place in NBA lore...which might jump up a notch if the Lakers beat the Celtics in the 2010 NBA Finals.
Just like it wasn't Michael Jordan's fault that he ducked Hakeem Olajuwon's Rockets en route to six NBA championships, it's not Kobe Bryant's fault that his four championship rings have come at the expense of fairly weak Eastern Conference competition. After all, neither MJ nor Kobe - control freaks they may be - can control who their NBA Finals competition is.
For his first NBA title, Kobe bested an Indiana Pacers squad on the decline of a solid era (after being up three games to one, that six-game series was never in doubt). For his second, Kobe took down Allen Iverson's one-man Philadelphia show in five games. His third NBA championship came after beating the Jason Kidd-led New Jersey Nets in a four-game snoozer sweep. And number four came last summer when Kobe's Lakers defeated Dwight Howard's inexperienced Magic team in five games, all of which lacked drama except Game 4.
Unlike MJ, however, Kobe has lost two NBA Finals. The first to a feisty, balanced and deep Detroit Pistons team that would repeat as Eastern Conference champs the following season, extending the multi-champion San Antonio Spurs to seven games. And in 2008 Kobe found defeat the second time at the hands of the Celtics, his opponent this Thursday.
Fair or not, if Kobe wants to enter the territory of "His Airness", he has to beat a great team in June...and that hasn't happened yet during his so-far brilliant career. Should his Lakers beat the Celtics in this year's NBA Finals, basketball historians can't hang that criticism on Kobe any longer.
There's no shame in losing NBA Finals. Former Lakers great Magic Johnson lost four, former Celtics great Larry Bird lost two and 76ers legend Julius Erving lost in three NBA Finals. But Magic defeated Dr. J's 76ers twice, Bird's Celtics twice and Isiah Thomas's Pistons once. All of those opponents were NBA champions themselves. Bird and Dr. J defeated Magic's Lakers once apiece (although it should be noted that Dr. J was unable to knock out the Lakers until Moses Malone came on board) and Tim Duncan's Spurs knocked out those champion Pistons as mentioned above.
For the first time in his seven (seven!) NBA Finals appearances, Kobe Bryant has the opportunity to do something he's never done: defeat a fellow NBA champion. And after seeing the Celtics take down LeBron James's Cavaliers and Dwight Howard's Magic this year, coupled with their near-defeat of Howard's Magic last year sans Kevin Garnett, it's fair to speculate that this Celtics team - like their Lakers counterparts - could be playing in their third-straight NBA Finals this June had KG been healthy last year. In other words, this is a damn, damn, damn good Celtics squad. Perhaps one for the ages.
In my opinion, four rings and seven NBA Finals appearances has already cemented Kobe as the second-best shooting guard of all time (behind the legendary MJ). And a victory over the Celtics this year won't - again, in my opinion - vault him into the MJ category. Any debate involving MJ must note that he never lost in an NBA Finals and, of course, has six rings. But should Kobe beat the Celtics this year and add a sixth ring to his treasure chest down the road, the conversation admittedly gets a heck of a lot more interesting.
That said, you won't catch me rooting for the Lakers to defeat Boston. After all, I'm predisposed not to.
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GO CELTICS!
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nice article
I’m of the opinion that whatever he does he won’t be better than Jordan. He came into the league younger than Jordan did and has had more time to grow. He came after Jordan and has surely studied Michael’s great moves and tried to mimic/best them. Kobe won three of his rings with Shaqtus, who, is one of, if not THE greatest Big Men of all time. Kobe isn’t as good on the defensive side as Jordan was. Kobe sometimes isn’t the best at involving his team… etc. etc. That’s not to say he isn’t an amazing player, but there will never be anyother Jordan. Just like there will never be another Picasso or Jimmy Hendrix or “The Great One”. Oh & Go Celtics!!!
by InboundingLobPass on Jun 1, 2010 9:46 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
it’s not Kobe Bryant’s fault that his four championship rings have come at the expense of fairly weak Eastern Conference competition.
Eh, I will give you the first three, but Orlando was considered to be playing really, really good basketball before last years finals. The fact that the Lakers beat them (fairly) easily doesn’t make them weak competition.
If the Lakers win this in 5 does that mean the Celtics must have not been that good to begin with?
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
Not sure if you caught this part
In other words, this is a damn, damn, damn good Celtics squad.
The point of the article is that all of Kobe’s rings have come at the expense of either mediocre but experienced teams (Indiana, New Jersey?), good but inexperienced teams (Orlando), or Allen Iverson’s team. If this year’s Kobe-led Lakers can beat a team that is both good and experienced, it would cement his legacy even further as one of the greatest.
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by Uh on Jun 1, 2010 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions
actually no I didn't catch that part...........my bad.
But my first comment is still valid. Orlando was only considered weak after we beat them. I think the Lakers had something to do with that.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
lol
and of course there’s no mention of The Spurs…the “Best team of the decade” that the Lakers beat multiple times in the playoffs.
Sometimes the finals are decided in the conference finals. The East has tended to be a LOT weaker than the West over the course of Kobe’s career, but that doesn’t cheapen his titles. He had to go through good teams to get every one of them.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Kind of like in 2004
When everyone was saying whoever won the WCF between LA and SA would be the obvious title winners. As we all know the lakers won that series and went on to win the title. Karl Malone finally could retire as a champion….oh wait
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they probably wouldn't have
if it wasn’t for Derek Fisher’s last second bullshit shot.
I'm rooting against both
But MAAAAAN, do I hate Kobe!
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"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = QPU (Quantum Physics University) #25, and no, it's not because of Anthony Carter. And if you don't get it I'm not going to try to explain this to you.
Antoine Walker will win the 2015 NBA 4-point shooting contest. That's right, I said it first.
Is there any way both teams could lose?
Because then, everybody wins.
But yeah, Go Celtics.
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I really don't come on here
To read about glory-fied rapest’s. Sorry laker fans if I hurt your feelings but I just don’t care.
GO CELTICS
by tknuckle on Jun 2, 2010 12:35 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
mj vs. kobe
look at the talent that each played with. jordan had pippen, horace grant and a past his prime dennis rodman. pippen never went beyond a conference finals without jordan. pippen never would be going into the hall of fame or rated one of the 50 best players in the nba without jordan. look at the rosters both players worked with. kobe had the luxury of playing with more talented and deeper rosters. jordan was an ncaa champion and won olympic gold as a college player. kobe is a great player. he could never finish at the rim or defend like jordan. look at the players and teams jordan played against. bad boys pistons, larry bird’s celtics and the showtime lakers. stockton and malone in utah. charles barkley, hakeem olajuwon and dominique wilkins. there is no comparison.
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Except none of those players you mentioned
guarded Michael Jordan and Pippen carried the majority of the defensive load as he and Jordan mostly trapped up on the guards so as not to expose their weaker interior. Jordan also lost to all those teams before Phil Jackson came there and Pippen was given a bigger role so that point is mute. Pippen also had the lack of a benefit of a last second call that actually decided that conference finals and they would’ve advanced had it not been for that. He was also one of the best perimeter defenders ever and even better than Jordan at defense that is. He also made it to the Western Conference Finals only to get beat by who? Kobe and Shaq with on of the most infamous plays and end of game sequences in Laker Lore. The reason Kobe doesn’t finish like Jordan is because he has smaller hands than Jordan so palming the ball is harder to maintain than it was for Jordan. I’m not gonna touch the defense because things Jordan could get away with back then he can’t get away with now, plus if you go to youtube you can watch the possessions they played against each other and the only difference is their offensive game and defensive discipline to stay on the ground, which pretty much disappeared later as Kobe became one of the premier guard defenders in the early 2000s. Look at who Jordan played against after Larry Bird and the Bad Boys Pistons and the Lakers began to slow down. Jordan never beat the Celtics in the playoffs, he never beat the Bad Boys when they were still the Bad Boys and he beat the Lakers in their last hurrah with Magic far from the Showtime Lakers they were at that point. Barkley was lazy and he carried his team to the finals, but he was beat by the better team, not Michael Jordan. Hakeem never played him for a ship. Stockton and Malone always came up short themselves and Rodman is one of the best post defenders and rebounders ever.
Lastly, Kobe played with Ron Harper, Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, Robert Horry, A.C. Green, Brian Shaw, Tyronn Lue, Devean George, and John Salley for that first ship. Who other than Shaq and Glen Rice was not past their prime or was a role player at best? No one and even Glen Rice was a strict role player by then although I respect he gave up his stats to win a ship. There are no other hall of famers. This team is constructed the exact same way as the Bulls. Top-heavy surrounded by role players and shooters and Jordan definitely had the better shooters for longer years. His teams were better shooters. They were younger overall in the beginning, because he had more teams than just the ones in the late 90s. Basically, I’m saying that this argument is more legitimate than you make it. They’re both champions and they’ve both lost to better teams and they both have their personality flaws. Compare their games and their styles not their competition because at this point they’ve all faced the best you can get of their eras. What you’re arguing is that this era can’t touch those past eras. I’m sayin had the Bad Boys tried to play like they did or the Celtics did or any team tried that stuff now, they’d never win cuz they’d always be missing players for flagrant fouls cuz of the blatant things they did. In your eyes no matter what he does he won’t be better than Jordan because of the difference in eras, but I’m trying to tell you that had Jordan played against a Lebron, a Dwayne Wade, a Carmelo, not to mention defenders like Bruce Bowen, Raja Bell, Thabo Sefalosha, Shane Battier, Ron Artest who was actually on one of those Bulls teams, or any of the other premier defenders out here with the rules in place now, he’d have similar issues. Not saying he wouldn’t be Jordan, but it would’ve been harder especially since players now are bigger and stronger and more of the same mold needed to guard Jordan than they were back then because Jordan’s build was more of what athletes are like today than athletes back then.
never let the facts get in the way of a good story
i did not mention the ny knicks teams that had patrick ewing, charles oakley, john starks and allen houston. jordan made the nba all defensive 1st team 9 times and pippen 8. jordan left the game for 2 seasons in his prime. you claim that jordan was a better defender because of the rules in place at the time he played. those were the same rules when other players guarded jordan. the rules in place today when jordan played he would have been unstoppable. the bulls beat the 2 time defending nba champion pistons in the eastern conference finals. phil jackson was a bulls assistant coach to doug collins. jackson was in the right place at the right time. the players, offense and defense were already in place with coaches like tex winter and johnny bach. without shaq kobe would not have 3 nba championships. shaq was the playoff MVP for all 3 championship teams. shaq also has the highest scoring average for any center in the playoffs. jordan never played with a center with pau gasol’s talent let alone shaq. the celtics in jordan’s era had 3 players in the starting front court that are in the basketball hall of fame- bird, kevin mchale and robert parrish. comparing players like lebron, wade, melo, bowen, bell, sefalosha, battier and artest to players when jordan played IS A FUCKING JOKE. sorry to break the news to you but players lifted weights when jordan played too.
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by nohoops4u on Jun 2, 2010 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions 6 recs
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Unbelievable — are Lakers fans really going to try to make the case that Kobe’s as great as Jordan??
I think Marty Mart is the same guy who I’ve pointed this out to in other threads — those 1st 3 rings Kobe got are because of Shaq. He can have more credit for the 4th one, but still, Jordan never had a tandem of 7-footers on his team to compare to Gasol & Bynum. To deny the importance of this is total blindness.
by ParkHillNative on Jun 2, 2010 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
best big man jordan played with was horace grant
his career average was 11.2 points and 8.1 rebounds. gasol’s career numbers are 18.8 points and 9.0 rebounds. without shaq and gasol kobe would be ringless. i never like to use the term LOL. when marty mart says jordan could finish at the rim better then kobe because MJ has bigger hands, i would without a doubt file that under LOL.
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Exactly
That point is just bogus. The reason Jordan can finish better is because he was stronger, faster, and more fearless. Loved your point about the Knicks, I was thinking to myself as I was reading Marty Mart’s comment that Jordan derailed a Knicks team that could have won several championships. Think of this list-Karl Malone, John Stockton, Clyde Drexler, Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing, Reggie Miller, Gary Payton (I’m not counting his year in miami), each one is or will be a hall of famer, each one is ringless. Why? Michael Jordan.
Jordan has been to 6 championships, he is a 6 time finals MVP
Kobe has been in 6 championships (playing in his 7th), he is a one time finals MVP
Losses in the Finals- Jordan:0 Kobe:2
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That may have been your best rant to date
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by Joelsopinion on Jun 2, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
I only wish paragraphs were involved for our eyes' sake.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 2, 2010 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah well
this is a fast world we live in there’s no time for capital letters or paragraphs and only precious little time for punctuation.
by ParkHillNative on Jun 2, 2010 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah I only skimmed through Marty's comment
I got a mean headache about 6 lines in and had to give up. It was like a magic eye puzzle or something.
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i tried to write a post without spaces and punctuation
it does not work. thursty must be smiling about that.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
we're on a mission from god
A little bit
I was going to point out to Marty Mart that he needs to learn the difference between mute and moot, but figured the post was too long and too much of a rant to bother with.
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Larry Bird's Celtics? No way
Jordan didn’t have to go thru any of the Celtics big three back then. By the time the Bulls were good they were gone..well Bird retired in 1992 but it was because of back problems so there is no way the Celtics of the 80’s can be included in that group. The Bulls did struggle for a couple years against the Pistons but then finally broke through. The bulls did start the demise of the Lakers for 8 years when they upset them in the 91 Finals tho, shortly before Magic announced he was HIV positive. Shaq wouldn’t have won any of his rings without help from Kobe and for that matter without Wade. NO one person can get it done on their own…just ask Shaq about his Orlando years or LeBron now. But as a Laker fan since the showtime days there is no way hell I would ever say that Kobe is better than MJ and I’m tired of that argument always starting because of the media. Kobe is phenomenal in his own right…just let Kobe be Kobe and collect his rings. I watched Jordan all of his career and he is the greatest. But for MJ lovers also shouldn’t talk so down on Kobe. Kobe is/was an all-world defender. I don’t see how anyone can say that MJ was a much better defender. Having watched all their careers I would say that Kobe tends to guard the other superstar more often than Jordan did.
And to Parkhillnative below….Bynum hasn’t played in the last 2 NBA finals so even Dwight Howard shouldve owned Gasol and Odom down low but he didn’t. Shaq owes his first 3 rins to Kobe as well. It’s too bad Shaq couldn’t see he needed to be Robin to Kobe’s batman before he was ready to give up the Batman throne. They could’ve kept winning.
never let the facts get in the way of a good story part 2
jordan’s second season in the nba he scored 63 points (playoff record) against the 1985-86 nba champion celtics. he was guarded by soon to be hall of fame inductee dennis johnson. that is a total of 4 HOF players on 1 team that beat the showtime lakers. MJ also had a foot injury where he missed most of the regular season. jordan’s 1st MVP season he averaged 35 points per game AND WAS THE DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR. kobe never won the DPY or averaged 35 points in a season. 1991 bulls beat the lakers 4 games to 1. that does not sound like an upset to me. kobe guards the superstar then what is ron artest doing on the lakers? good luck to kobe being kobe and collecting his rings going back to boston for the next 3 games with the series tied at one game apiece.
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laker troll-ignore
refuting these arguments is to give them more dignity they deserve.
by Rainbow skyline on Jun 2, 2010 11:21 PM MDT up reply actions
you should read the espn article
about how Kobe steals all of his moves from former greats. He talks about how he isn’t as athletically gifted as MJ so he has to make up for it in other phases of the game, especially finishing at the rim. It’s not because he doesn’t have as big of hands!
Good series
Both teams deserve it and I will be excited to watch. The Celtics had a much more difficult road though beating Cleveland and Orlando without home court. I thought Orlando was a beast and the C’s nearly swept them. I’m not saying LA had it easy but Kobe’s had to do all the work. Gasol and Bynum don’t play better then Kobe won’t be able to get it done against them just like Lebron didn’t.
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Who cares?
I’m not even watching the finals. I’m totally over the Lakers and Celtics.
by Melo'sPersonofSeattle on Jun 2, 2010 10:35 AM MDT reply actions
I couldn't agree more
I won’t watch a single second.
I keep meaning to put up a fan post this week titled “The NBA: Where Cinderella Doesn’t Happen,” but haven’t had the time yet.
by ParkHillNative on Jun 2, 2010 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
You guys are crazy
The Celtics and Lakers rivalry never gets old.
Besides, I want to see Kobe and the Lakers beat Boston.
Everyone has a right to be stupid. I just abuse the privilege.
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I just...I just don't understand how one can root for the Lakers in this match up.
The Celtics aren’t the ones who beat the Nuggets in 6 thanks to a couple lucky bounces, in the year the Nugs could’ve gone to the NBA Finals. And look at the lists of unlikeable players for each team
Lakers: Kobe Bryant, Derek Fisher, Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Ron Artest, Sasha Vujacic
Celtics: Paul Pierce, Rasheed Wallace, maybe Nate Robinson but he hardly plays anyway and when he does he scores 13 in 12 minutes
And the lists of players who are awesome for each team
Lakers: Shannon Brown? Does he count?
Celtics: Rajon Rondo, Ray Allen, Kendrick Perkins, maybe Kevin Garnett
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by Uh on Jun 2, 2010 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions
... adam morrison
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by Uh on Jun 2, 2010 5:39 PM MDT up reply actions
wait as awesome, or as unlikeable
If he still has the stache then I vote awesome
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I'm sorry, I just don't hate the Lakers
Crazy, I know.
After Garnett and the Celtics won the “ESPN Team of the Year Award” or whatever, he just said, “Wow, another win”, like it was no big deal. F*ck the Celtics.
I’m from California amd my dad is a Lakers fan.
Everyone has a right to be stupid. I just abuse the privilege.
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It's not about hating the L*kers...although I did throw up in my mouth a little bit when I saw Kobe's pic on DenverStiffs
well maybe it is…I love NBA basketball to the point that I found myself watching sixers and pistons games this past season.
I’m just over the whole Boston vs Lakers rivalry that the media paints. I don’t believe there are any true rivals in professional sports any more. I think rivalries are held onto by fans by not by players. I don’t think there are players that truly hate the other team, players, owners, FO personnel or whatever.
All the players are more like friends and with free agency players don’t get into that mindset of just wanting to beat the crap out a division, conference or league rival. I just don’t see it. It’s just media hype to me. Good for fans, non-existent among the players.
Now on a like-ability scale…::thinking::: i really could care less. I don’t like Artest and could really care less if he wins a title, the big three + Rondo already have one…I guess I like Nate Robinson b/c he’s from Seattle…other than that…I’m still not watching.
And ESPN, ABC, David Stern and any story, fan post or comment on this or any other site not changing my mind.
GO NUGGETS!!
by Melo'sPersonofSeattle on Jun 2, 2010 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Totally agree
The media does a great job of making people believe this shit. I’m a huge basketball fan, but this series is like watching a rerun. I’m not saying both teams don’t deserve to be there, I just don’t care. Kinda like watching a new Shia Lebouf movie…is it really new or did he just change his clothes. You get my point. This series is the same shit, different toilet.
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Lets go Boston!!BEAT LA
I would have to say that if Kobe manages to beat this strong Boston team, you have to start to wonder when he could be compared to his airness
When?
…Never. Kobe will never compare to his airness. Michael was better in every aspect of the game. Name one thing Kobe Bryant does better then Jordan, you can’t do it.
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nice article,
but San Antonio were champs (the only other multi year champs in the decade) and the Kobe and the Lakers had to go through them.. so maybe you need to add an asterick in your title *(Eastern Conference Champs)
Kobe could be a great soccer player
http://www.sbnation.com/2010/5/26/1488312/US-2010-world-cup-roster-America-athletes
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What no love for Birdman?
The best part of that read is the “America F*** Yeah” video, because that will never ever ever get old.
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Birdman as a goalie would be awesome to see
I figured I write about him too much, so I try to avoid talking about him all of the time.
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Can't wait till tonight
As a huge NBA fan you can’t ask for anything more than Lakers vs Celtics. You can say what you want about how there isn’t a real rivalry between these teams but the fact is you can’t ignore history. And the funny thing is, things really haven’t changed in 20 years. The Lakers are still the flashy, soft, pass oriented team expected to win while the Celtics are the hard working, physical, defensive minded underdog. It’s more than rivalry, it’s a contrasting culture of the two most winning styles of basketball ever played.
And as far as Kobe’s legacy goes. God, I just hate talking about Kobe. But thing is, the dude is one of the greatest already. In my opinion he’s top 10 right now and by far the 2nd best SG in history. But comparing him to MJ is criminal, still. Even if he wins more titles than Jordan, he still will never be the player MJ was, at least in my opinion. There are so many reasons for this and I could talk for days about this comparison but most notably the fact that MJ was always top dog on his team and won the Finals MVP every time as well as the many All Defense teams and MVPs, it’s just too many accomplishments that Kobe hasn’t even come close to yet for him to be on MJ’s level. Basically, for every great feat Kobe has attained, MJ has done it twice as good.
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I wish they both could lose
If you’re as old as I am you’d understand why I hate the Celtics so much. When I was a kid the NBA was on TV only on Sunday afternoons. It was almost always the Celtics even when the Celtics weren’t very good. There’d always be an annoucer who was an ex-Celtic and they would never talk about the other team, just the Celtics. Even when the Celtics were losing it was always “The Celtics are behind because they’re…blah blah blah”; never giving any credit to the other team.
So I’ve hated the Celtics for nearly 40 years. I liked Magic and Kareem but I absolutely hate Kobe. When the Nuggets would lose to Magic and Kareem you didn’t feel so bad about it somehow. But I really hate Kobe. If ever there was coddled superstar asshole he’s it. He doesn’t even have to defend himself in court on rape charges, his minions harass the victim into dropping the charges. Kobe represents everything that is wrong with the superstar athlete.
"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!" ...Homer Simpson
Why do you guys hate Kobe so freaking much?
Because he’s good? Because he “raped” somebody in Colorado? I just don’t get it.
You can’t use the “he whines like a little b*tch when he doesn’t get the calls” because everybody does it, including Carmelo.
Tim Tebow is the LeBron James of the NFL
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Huh?
I never thought I’d have to justify my hatred of Kobe HERE in my haven of Nuggetness, but here it goes.
I donthate Kobe in the traditional sense. I’m sure that if he weren’t Kobe the basketball player, but Kobe the guy over in sales, we’d hang out at Hooters afer work together or something. Alas he is Kobe the basketball player and he plays for the Lakers.
Here’s an illustration to drive the point home:
If your father/motherwashit and killed by a UPS truck and UPS never paid compensation for your family’s loss; how likely would you be to use their service? Not likely at all. How upset would you be if your son/daughter decided to go to work for UPS? Extremely. Why? because UPS is the face of an enemy in your eyes.
The point is that Kobe is the face of an enemy in the eyes of many Denver Stiffs. David Stern, and by proxy the lakers, have ruined the NBA. Kobe is the face of our enemy.
if Kobe ever quits the NBA and decides to throw trash for a waste disposal company, then I’ll buy the 1st round at Hooters.
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