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A sad ending to a sad season (and 10 questions for the offseason)...

Karl-anthony_mediumThe Nuggets season was over when George Karl started missing games in mid-March to begin his courageous battle with throat and neck cancer.  It just took us over a month and half to realize it.

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Mark Warkentien's agent said that the 2009-10 Nuggets season should carry an asterisk beside it due to Karl's absence.  I think it's safe to assume that the Nuggets would have finished with an extra regular season win or two under Karl and likely would have won at least one playoff series.  Even longtime Karl critic Bill Simmons ranked Karl fourth in his "2010 NBA Playoffs Human Power Rankings" while acknowledging that coaching matters more than we fans often believe.

As the game clock wound down to zero last night at EnergySolutions Arena, I couldn't help but feel sad for all involved with the Denver Nuggets.  I felt sad first and foremost for Karl, who has been around long enough to know that championship opportunities are few and far between and must be taken advantage of when they arise (Karl often gloated about how much he "liked my team" this season...he knew this squad was on to something special).  I felt sad for Chauncey Billups whose remarkable streak of seven consecutive conference final appearances comes to an abrupt end, even though he did all that he could to win Games 5 and 6 of this series.  I felt sad for interim coach Adrian Dantley, a super nice guy thrust into an impossible situation and never got the respect from the referees or, shamefully, his own players that he probably deserved.  I felt sad for Joey Graham and Johan Petro - two minimum wage guys (by NBA standards) - who have been jerked around the lineup all season but nevertheless play every minute with the best of effort regardless of their limited skill sets.  I felt sad for the Nuggets organization, team and Pepsi Center employees who were probably counting on a few extra playoff games which translates into a few extra paychecks and perhaps even a bonus during what remains a crappy economy.

And, of course, I felt sad for the fans whose offseason is coming much sooner than any of us expected and will have to endure another June where the Nuggets aren't competing for an NBA championship.  This has now happened for 33 straight years since the Nuggets joined the NBA.  That's one year less than I've been alive for.

But today, my sadness abates and we must look to the future.  A future loaded with difficult questions that don't have straightforward answers.  And as if we didn't have enough questions to begin with prior to the Nuggets losing 4-2 to the disciplined, structured Utah Jazz, this series opened up more questions.

Before getting to those questions, I want to make a few comments about Game 6 and the series at large.  As Nate aptly pointed out in his Game 6 recap, the referees yet again ruined a night of playoff basketball by becoming obsessive with their whistles.  Just when I thought Game 2's 67 fouls called was the worst abomination of officiating since the 2002 Lakers/Kings Western Conference Finals Game 6, the zebras (in gray) outdid themselves with 70 foul calls last night.  The referees need a re-education on what a foul is and what a foul isn't.  Just because someone falls down (via a flop in the case of the Jazz) doesn't mean the whistle needs to be blown - on either side of the ball.  Nothing will eradicate flopping faster than no-calls.  If a defender wants to flop, fine.  Let him flop and when the offensive player drives around him for an easy layup while he's on the ground, the flopping will eventually cease.

They say soccer is "the beautiful game", but I'll take a hard-fought 110-105 NBA game over a 2-1 soccer snooze fest any day of the week.  But this isn't do-able if the whistles keep coming fast and furious as we saw in this series.  The motto among refs entering 2010-11 should be: let them @#$% play!!

That said, I'm enamored with what head coach Jerry Sloan and Utah just accomplished and it's proof that a strong coach with a good system can overcome a lot in this league.  I know it's been stated over and over, but the Jazz fielded a roster with 10 players who were either undrafted or were second round picks.  That's just remarkable.  I saw a comment from a Denver Stiffs reader saying they'd be rooting for the Lakers to defeat the "flopping" Jazz in the next series.  Not me.  The Jazz will get my full support against the Lakers.  (On a side note, I believe we're heading for a rematch of the 2007 NBA Finals - San Antonio vs. Cleveland, but I'll save that story for another day.)

I also want to piggyback on Nate's comments and thanks the great great readers of this site for their unbelievable passion, enthusiasm and participation in Denver Stiffs.  When we have to start posting quarter-by-quarter threads, you know this community has really taken off.  Frankly, I can't even keep up sometimes with all that's being written and opined upon here!  I'm sorry that we didn't get a chance to do more Denver Stiffs-related events during the season and I've seen some offseason suggestions for a basketball tournament and other ideas that should be explored.  Nate and I will be talking throughout the offseason for how to continually improve this site and I encourage all of you (not that you need the encouragement) to send us your feedback and suggestions, as well.  The Nuggets season may have fallen short of where we hoped it would end up, but Denver Stiffs certainly had it's best season ever.

As far as how the Nuggets performed last night and my thoughts and comments in this series in general, I'll tackle much of that in the questions put forth below.  Similar to the Dallas Mavericks, the Nuggets find themselves in a purgatory-type situation: they're better than two-thirds of the NBA, but not good enough to compete for an NBA championship.  To do so and do so quickly, some tough questions will need to be answered...

10 Questions for the Offseason...

1. Will Carmelo Anthony ever embrace what it means to be a true superstar?

I hate to re-open the "is Carmelo Anthony a true superstar?" debate again after all the crap I took on the subject this week, but now that Melo has played poorly in yet another playoff elimination game the topic must be debated again.  The Melo defenders will say that he made up for his dreadful six-for-22 shooting night in Game 6 by grabbing 12 rebounds, dishing out five assists and grabbing two steals.  The Melo critics - and I'll include myself here when it comes to these crucial games - on the other hand, see an alarming pattern.  In playoff elimination games since 2005, Carmelo Anthony is now a combined 52-for-141 from the field, or 36.9%, while averaging 9.7 foul shot attempts per game (meaning he's getting to the line about five times a game) and, most telling, the Nuggets are 1-6 in those games.

As stated in my "When 39 and 11 isn't enough..." column from Monday, until Melo embraces these do-or-die moments and rises to the occasion when called upon to do so, the Nuggets will be relegated to a successful regular season outfit with no viable chance of competing for a title.  Already halfway through his NBA career, Melo seems most likely to join the ranks of Dominique Wilkins, Alex English, Adrian Dantley, Bernard King, George Gervin and Terry Cummings.  Superb, high-scoring, lethal, entertaining and Hall-of-Fame caliber players all, but none - with the exception of Dantley on the 1987-88 Pistons (who lost and then won a ring the following season sans Dantley) - ever competed for an NBA Championship.  Unlike Melo, however, 'Nique and King have legendary playoff elimination game performances on their resumes.  Will we ever get one from Melo?

2. Mark Warkentien?  Rex Chapman?  Both?

The Nuggets dual-GM team of Mark Warkentien (the NBA's reigning executive of the year) and Rex Chapman are both free agents at summer's end.  Warkentien is prickly and condescending with the media, but he's a shrewd wheeler-dealer and a wonk whose knowledge of talent, statistical analysis and the inner-workings of the league is invaluable.  Chapman is almost the opposite of Wark.  He's gregarious and fun-loving with the media, and having played fairly recently, has a good idea and instincts for basketball players themselves.  But with both being free agents and both being due for a pay raise given the Nuggets success on their watch, should owner Stan Kroenke keep both or just one?  And if just one, which one? 

3. Are there any takers for J.R. Smith?

Note that the question isn't "Should we trade J.R. Smith?"  After playing inconsistently and poorly throughout the Utah series, J.R. reportedly sniped at his coaches in Game 6 and got benched for most of the fourth quarter.  Then, in a move of sheer classlessness, left the court early and didn't shake any of the opposing Jazz players or coaches' hands as is customary in NBA tradition.  In other words, he pulled a LeBron James and J.R. is no LeBron James.  I recently called J.R. "the poor man's John Starks but without the defense" and I'm standing by that statement.  

I'm done with J.R. and the Nuggets should be, too.  Just because Wark fleeced the Bulls to acquire J.R. doesn't mean J.R. should stay.  And just because J.R. threw down the greatest dunk in Nuggets history doesn't mean he should stay.  In late January, I wrote a piece titled "J.R.'s nine lives may be up..." when rumors were swirling that Karl wanted J.R. suspended for conduct detrimental to the team.  Having talked to a number of people more familiar with the Nuggets than me, I can confidently say that J.R. still screws around at shootarounds and routinely slacks off at practices.  It's time for the J.R. Smith experience to come to an end and given his one-year, $6 million cap number, he's probably pretty trade-able. 

4. Do we trade K-Mart or restructure his contract?

Earlier this season I wrote an "In praise of K-Mart..." column commending the oft-injured power forward for getting himself back into shape, filling in admirably for the injured Melo and at least attempting to live up to a contract that's impossible to live up to (thank you for that, Kiki Vandeweghe).  But for the second consecutive post-season, a bone-headed K-Mart decision may have cost the Nuggets a playoff series.  K-Mart's unnecessary yet warranted technical foul midway through the fourth quarter of Game 6 may have cost the Nuggets the series.  As poorly as Melo was playing offensively, he was finally getting hot in the fourth - canning three out of four jumpers that didn't even graze the rim.  It was a thing of beauty and the Nuggets were down just three points.  

Then K-Mart pulls a K-Mart, fouls and then shoves Deron Williams, gets whistled for the technical and eats up about six minutes in real elapsed time.  Just enough time for the Jazz to build a five-point lead, Melo to go cold (he missed his next jumper and, criminally, never scored again) and the Nuggets never recovered.  This incident was akin to when the Nuggets were making a run against the Lakers in Game 6 of the Western Conference Finals last year, pulled within 12 in the third quarter and K-Mart decided to unnecessarily grab Sasha Vujacic's leg right in front of the referee...a play that cost the Nuggets all their momentum in that game.

And, just like his pal J.R., K-Mart walked off the court with about twenty seconds left at Salt Lake City last night.  Classless.

Owed a staggering $16.5 million next season, K-Mart might be good trade bait or the Nuggets can restructure his contract for the future.  While I commend the effort K-Mart gave us this season and in last year's post-season, he's too cantankerous - even at this stage of his career - to be counted on in big games.  It's time for K-Mart to go.  In the coming weeks, we'll explore trade possibilities, but with his shaky knees, trading K-Mart will be harder than we think.

5. Does Chauncey have another great season in him?

Absolutely.  There was a lot of nay-saying going on about Mr. Big Shot around here during the last two months of the season, and much of it was justifiable considering he couldn't shoot straight.  But Billups proved that even against the NBA's best point guard, he can still be effective.  If not for Chauncey, the Nuggets don't win Game 5 and don't have a fighting chance in Game 6 against the Jazz.  Moreover, Chauncey doesn't drink alcohol, keeps himself in great condition and - statistically - is coming off one of best scoring seasons ever.

To get a successful 2010-11 out of Billups, the Nuggets need to reduce his minutes from 34 per game to about 30 and save him for the playoffs.  Luckily, the astute acquisition of Ty Lawson should give the Nuggets confidence at the point guard spot when Billups rests and perhaps there's another backup point guard that can be acquired in the offseason to shore up the position further.  I look forward to another solid season out of Chauncey in 2010-11 with Lawson taking on more responsibility.

6. Will George Karl be back next season?

I obviously can't answer this question 100% and the results of Coach Karl's treatment are still pending, but getting to know George as I've had the privilege of doing this season, I believe he's coming back for another shot at a ring.  Karl is a tough, smart SOB and he's a fighter.  His entire career has been built on overcoming adversity and doubt (in others, not himself) and there's no reason to believe he won't be back in training camp this fall.

Moreover, while it shouldn't have had to happen this way, Karl gained a new level of respect and admiration for what happened to the Nuggets in his absence.  You have to believe that Chauncey, Melo and whomever else is here next season will welcome Karl back with open arms.  A returning Karl, and a rejuvenated Nuggets squad with Karl, already makes 2010-11 exciting.  It can't get here soon enough.  Get well soon, Coach!

7. What big man is available?

If we learned anything watching the Nuggets fall to Utah, the Nuggets need more size and better rebounding upfront.  Earlier in the season, Karl said he wished he had another "half body" on this roster.  I think we need a full body now.  

We here at Denver Stiffs have been begging for Nene to move to power forward for two seasons now, but even that may not cut it.  Nene, K-Mart and Chris Andersen were manhandled all series long by Carlos Boozer and Paul Millsap.  It wasn't even close.  I look forward to hearing Denver Stiffs reader suggestions for possible big man acquisitions and of course Nate and I will do our own research to propose viable deals over the summer.  Bottom line is the Nuggets need to get bigger and better upfront.  And no, Brian Butch doesn't count. 

8. Do the Nuggets need to change their coaching hierarchy?

It was easy to make Adrian Dantley the scapegoat for the Nuggets myriad of problems down the stretch of the regular season and into the postseason.  But it's fair to say that no assistant-level coach could get these players attention like Karl can, and I doubt the Nuggets are going to hire a former head coach - at a cost of like $500k-plus - to join the other 30 assistant coaches the Nuggets already have.

I'm all about giving young assistant coaches a chance in this business and applaud Karl and the Nuggets for doing so with the likes of John Welch, Chad Iske, Jamahl Mosley and Larry Mangino.  Perhaps Welch should be promoted to top assistant next season, but I fear a Dantley demotion could cause other ancillary problems in that locker room.  This is a tough call after everything AD just went through on behalf of the organization.  He may have done a poor job filling in for Karl, but he gave an earnest effort in doing so.

9. Will Stan Kroenke's ownership of the Rams affect his ownership of the Nuggets?

This is a question for NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, but I hope given that it's 2010 the NFL can get over it's stupid rule about owning teams in other sports that play in other markets.  Longtime readers here know my thoughts on Kroenke and they haven't changed much.  I give Kroenke a ton of credit for stabilizing this organization upon arrival and spearheading what's been a great run considering where the Nuggets were before he arrived.  I also don't blame Kroenke for being unwilling to lose (allegedly) the $20-$30 million annually that's needed to keep the Nuggets competitive under the current salary system in the NBA.  

That said, the NBA's new collective bargaining agreement better get here fast because I fear Kroenke's sudden frugality (again, by NBA standards...let's keep this all in perspective) doesn't give management enough juice to pull the trigger on the major trades necessary to get this franchise to promised land while Chauncey remains upright.  The current system may be unfair to small market owners like Kroenke, but here's hoping he's willing to open his wallet just a little wider for one more championship run before the NBA locks itself out in 2011.

10. Will the fans be back?

Inescapable during last night's Altitude broadcast of Game 6 were the number of ads run to get fans to buy season tickets for 2010-11 and I suspect attendance will be down next season unless the Nuggets make a major splash in the offseason on a new acquisition.  I don't need to tell you how much I spend on Nuggets tickets but I can assure you that the prices are absurd...and I only buy half a season.  Unfortunately, until that new bargaining agreement kicks in and player salaries come down, NBA games will remain unaffordable for the average - and I'd argue true - fan.  And last I checked, the economy remains in tatters in spite of what Wall Street thinks.  But that's just on the money side.

On the basketball side, I fear that fans are going to tire of watching a team that's imploded in the post-season six times in seven years.  This puts more impetus on management to give the fans something exciting to come back for next season, and I look forward to figuring out - and finding out - what that's going to be.  I just hope that the fans realize that we're still in the hunt - for one more season at least - and no one should be giving up on this team or this organization.

 

Before writing today's column, I briefly looked back at my 2009-10 season preview.  I had the Nuggets finishing fourth in the Western Conference behind the Lakers, Spurs and Blazers, but predicted they'd win at least one playoff series.  I guess I was sort of right as it seems likely that the Lakers and Spurs are destined to duke it out in the conference finals and the Nuggets did indeed finish fourth.  But I hate being right sometimes.

Many thanks again to my fellow Stiffs for making this a great community that continues to grow.  I'd also be remiss if I didn't thank Nate for making this partnership seamless and easy from day one.  We'll have lots to discuss in the days to come, but for now, one more time...  GO NUGGETS!!

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Great Post

I can’t wait to see what the offseason will be like. So many questions will have to be answered. But my feeling right now is that the nuggets will be a mediocre west team next season. we just dont have the pieces to pull off big trades.

by MZG on May 1, 2010 1:38 PM MDT reply actions  

Andrew, I forgot to thank you in my list!

Indeed merging our blogs helped create the most dynamic readership out there. Our writing styles contrast along with some of our basketball views and I think that really helps this site. It was nice to have more content and so many posts that really made us fans think. Great job this season and I look forward to more!

Denver Stiffs.com: Defending the sovereignty of Nuggets Nation.

by Nate Timmons on May 1, 2010 1:53 PM MDT reply actions  

No worries my man!!

Couldn’t have done this without you this year!!

Andrew Feinstein | DenverStiffs.com | denverstiffs@gmail.com

by Andrew Feinstein on May 1, 2010 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

what about thursty?

the only sports blog with it’s own grammar cop. where would we all be without an unpaid expert telling us how to dot the t’s and cross the i’s?

pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
we're on a mission from god

by nohoops4u on May 1, 2010 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm amazed that Thursty hasn't said anything to you about how you never capitalize anything

I don’t have any problem with it at all, but he never really mentions/notices that…

"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = #25

by LACK on May 1, 2010 6:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've been away for a bit

The new job has me working overtime so I haven’t had the time for posting I used to.

"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!" ...Homer Simpson

by Thursty on May 3, 2010 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

new job AND overtime in this economy!

you must be earl smith’s new driver. from what i hear it pays great AND all the pop corn you can eat.

pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
we're on a mission from god

by nohoops4u on May 3, 2010 6:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

AND

Who says you never capialize anything?

"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!" ...Homer Simpson

by Thursty on May 4, 2010 6:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

I know I'll be back next year, as I have been every other year

I’ll go to my customary two or three games sitting in the upper deck and watch every game on tv, so I don’t know how much my contribution means to the organization. I’m still supremely optimistic about next season. I hope that we can make a strong acquisition and have a strong off-season. I hope that we don’t feel the need to make a big splash for the sake of generating buzz like so many teams did this off-season and made completely lateral moves. I also don’t want us to stand pat. We need to evaluate all different possibilities to bolster our front court. Next season, I really look forward to Lawson’s continuing development and for him to be one of the key players next year, as well as Afflalo’s increasing contribution. This team will be back. I wish Karl the best in his recovery and look forward to him coming back and taking us to a championship next year (if we ever get a chance from NBA officials, that is).

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by airforcefoo on May 1, 2010 1:54 PM MDT reply actions  

Don't worry

You’re contribution matters. Every time you or I go get cheap upper deck tickets, that’s ten or twenty dollars going into Mr. Kroenke’s pockets, and who doesn’t want Kroenke to be super-rich?

OK, to be fair, much of that goes towards stadium fees, maintenance fees, player/coach fees, and whatever-else fees.

"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = #25

by LACK on May 1, 2010 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

JR isn't being paid that much

by NBA standards and his talent. Unless someone makes an offer that blows Denver away, I say keep JR, but shorten the leash. When he blows, take him out. AAA should get more minutes. As should Ty.

Kenyon’s expiring contract is very valuable. That’s all I’ll say.

by jb22 on May 1, 2010 1:54 PM MDT reply actions  

i wonder

if jr knows hes playin for a contract next season?

let's go nuggets! who u wit?

by 808inDenver on May 1, 2010 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

I f*cking hope he does

This is why we should not trade him. Hopefully, he’ll pretend to grow up next season and average 17 ppg, 4 rpg, and 2-3 apg and play decent defense, then have some idiot team sign him to a long-term deal. We win, JR wins, they lose (but I don’t care)

"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = #25

by LACK on May 1, 2010 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

Great Stuff

Thanks for letting me chime in on the website, I love talkin bball here.. I would say this site def has the most knowledgable Nugget/basketball fans I have seen.

We need some bigs. Brad Miller, Tyrus Thomas, Josh Smith, anybody haha We need a big powerful big man. Our bigs are too soft especially if K-Mart’s knee leads him to play like he did in the Utah series for the rest of his career.

"Don't chase the money, chase the dream"

by Garrett Olsen on May 1, 2010 2:03 PM MDT reply actions  

good write up

minor quibble with the Melo thing….he shot poorly last night, but he did other things quite well. I think it’s only fair to point out that he had 13 rebounds and 5 assists and several steals in the game. I think we need to be balanced in our criticism of Melo. We complain he only cares about scoring….and when he does other things we focus on him not scoring so much.

Otherwise good write up Andrew

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"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple

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by jpage78 on May 1, 2010 3:09 PM MDT reply actions  

I saw you pointed it out.....I'm just pointing out that we need to praise him for the stuff we've been critical about

If that makes sense. As I’ve said all year Andrew….you can’t have it both ways. It’s fair to be critical, but it’s not fair to be imbalanced

"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2

"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple

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by jpage78 on May 1, 2010 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's funny

I think you and I have opposing points of view when it comes to Melo. I tend to gloss things over….you tend to be overly critical. I think I’ve made it a point to be the yin to your yang.

"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2

"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple

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by jpage78 on May 1, 2010 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Melo...

Melo may not be a superstar, but he is a damn good all-star. And you can’t blame him when the rest of the team stands around and ohs and ahs when melo gets the ball. Melo has shown he can hit the cutting teammate, but how often have we seen no teammate cutting to the hoop when he has the ball?

So…
THANK YOU, Andrew and Nate, for a wonderful blog site – please keep up the excellent work. This site is clearly a success.

by Namklak on May 2, 2010 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = #25

by LACK on May 2, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

We complain he only cares about scoring….and when he does other things we focus on him not scoring so much.

Good point.

"All by their heads, he places crowns."

"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.

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by Tempestuous Binary on May 2, 2010 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

See you guys in the offseason

And back in October. Wake me up after the Lakers win another ring.

Swats.

by BeefySwats on May 1, 2010 3:40 PM MDT reply actions  

LOL

I’ll be here the entire offseason, dreaming up trades that won’t ever happen because our GM doesn’t know what a trade is. OK, it’s not that bad.

"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = #25

by LACK on May 1, 2010 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

good post

of course the melo things kinda still sticks in my craw like it does Jpage.. but I wont comment on it. Its been hashed and hashed, but we have a animal thats quacking, and I say its a duck, and you say its a pig, and I say pigs dont quack, and you state this one does ( wow that was weird) but just meaning, i dont think opinons will change on this no matter even if melo shows up and gives us the answer personally. As for the rest, very good points. I think JR needs to be and will be gone, you can have all the talent in the world, and yet still be a detriment to the team, and he needs to go. Kmart, I would love for him to restructure for like 7 mil a year, for maybe 2 years (hope his knees have that much left) but short of that, he needs to go too, the contract isnt his fault, and its nothing personal, but that contract is hurting us like JR is. I agree 100% on chauncy, and Ty has proven he should get the minutes, boy can ball. I also think Grahm and Petro should see more minutes next year (specially if kmart is gone and by some miracle we can trade nene for a pair of balls with a body attached to them). They earned it,and should be rewarded. Shoot I would even try some crazy stuff like giving grahm time a sf, and if carmelo is in moving him to the 2 (just a thought). i would say keep wark and rex both,but if i had to choose one, I would say wark, I dont need him to be nice, or pleasent, or even friendly with the media, I need him to be the best at his job. As far as Mr. kroenke, hell stan pony up the money needed to give us a shot, shoot it is like me having to pay 4 bucks a gallon of gas to drive around (wait im almost doing it now)… lets go mr. money pants, spend the money.

Its gonna be a long offseason, but hopefully we will find ourselves in a better place come october, and win it all like we know we can.

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by akdenver on May 1, 2010 4:08 PM MDT reply actions  

I feel sorry for...

Melo because he can’t catch a break in this town. As always, the denver media would rather talk about the NFL draft than Nuggets in the playoffs.
J.R. Smith because nobody should be born without a brain.
John Starks because nobody should compare him with J.R. Smith.
anyone who keeps insisting K-Mart has a “high basketball IQ”.
I feel sorry for Nene who if afraid of a metal circle surrounded by some cotton weaving.
The players on the Nuggets who should have played more time in game 6 against Utah.

I don’t feel sorry that I renewed my season tickets for next year. I have been a steady Nuggets fan since I moved to Denver in 1997. Despite the line up of horrendous coaches; Dantoni, Issel and then Bzdelik. Kiki as the GM, and some of our not so stellar players. I still like live NBA basketball better than any other sport. Denver may never win a champship but if they do, I’ll be there.

by MMGraves on May 1, 2010 4:35 PM MDT reply actions  

The thing is

Denver is Broncos Country first, and everything else second (sorry Rockies). I’m sure that JR was born with a brain, but he must have ripped it out of his head when he entered the NBA (his parents seemed like very polite people, and they lived in a middle-class family in suburbia, not in the “hood” like Melo and KMart).

JR Smith = Isaiah Rider
JR Smith <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< John Starks, unless JR suddenly goes through an epiphany.

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"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
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#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = #25

by LACK on May 1, 2010 6:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

great Post but I don't mind waiting for the 10/11 season

Summer is nearly here so let’s enjoy it. Basketball will return soon enough.

by markph on May 1, 2010 4:44 PM MDT reply actions  

Frickin' damnit.

I have the biggest case of blue balls ever from this season. The Nuggets during the first half of the year looked absolutely poised to challenge the Lakers for western conference supremacy and then due to key injuries and Karl’s cancer collapsed down the stretch.

How can I take baseball for another 5 1/2 months :(

Anyway, I love you guys. I’ll be back. I hope anyone not named Melo, Chauncey, Ty, or Afflalo is considered tradable for the right pieces. I am not going to say that I know what those pieces are, but the Nuggets absolutely need a C and a PF not named Nene or Kenyon Martin.

Swats.

by BeefySwats on May 1, 2010 4:52 PM MDT reply actions  

Oh, and get rid of JR.

I’m fucking done with him. Draft picks, a bench player, whatever. He needs to get gone yesterday.

Swats.

by BeefySwats on May 1, 2010 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hell no, Beefy

He gets the most value near the trade deadline, with the same case going for KMart.

"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = #25

by LACK on May 1, 2010 6:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah but,

He is bad chemistry. The quicker he is out the better. Cut the losses at this point. I think KMart is a Nugget for another year regardless cause of his 16M payout.

by markph on May 2, 2010 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

If the Nuggets want to improve long-term

We need to flip Martin’s huge expiring for a young big, and a reliable but overpaid backup wing player. Shortterm we might be a bit worse, but we gotta look at the future too

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"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
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by LACK on May 2, 2010 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

maybe its time for melo to go?

just saying. trade melo for bosh, sign bulldozer to start at SF. this idea is growing on me a bit because maybe we cant get over the hump with melo.

by tknuckle on May 1, 2010 4:54 PM MDT reply actions  

Do you think Bosh replacing Melo would get this team over the hump?

Because I sure don’t. Bosh needs the ball nearly as much as Melo. It’s basically a trade off. Both have tremendous offense but terrible defense, only Melo is younger, a better passer, and has more defensive upside.

Graham is a bench player. Useful, but his effectiveness will go way down if he starts.

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by Uh on May 1, 2010 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

1941 called...

They want Chris Bosh’s knees back.

by MMGraves on May 1, 2010 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

If we trade Melo to Toronto

I would expect at least the CN Tower alongside Bosh in return.

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by Phil H. on May 1, 2010 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd want the entire city of Toronto in return

It’d not that bad of a place. We could probably fit Toronto and its 4 million people in the gigantic basement of Kroenke’s gigantic home.

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"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = #25

by LACK on May 1, 2010 6:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

More bacon...

What Would Brian Boitano Do?
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by Mini Hulk on May 1, 2010 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

We'd have no chance

Chauncey id getting to the point where he’s only going to be able to play 25-30 minutes in a game. That’s WAY too much pressure on Bosh, something he wouldn’t want.

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by Mini Hulk on May 1, 2010 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

joey and bosh played in toronto already

pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
we're on a mission from god

by nohoops4u on May 1, 2010 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hey tknuckle, how about instead of trading quitter for Bosh, let's trade him for Eddy Curry and Donnie Walsh's ballsack!

"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = #25

by LACK on May 1, 2010 6:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Guys, it was a joke

Get over it.

"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = #25

by LACK on May 1, 2010 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

our problem is not scoreing its rebounding

i guess what i’m saying is i would rather have a 20-10 bosh then a 30-4 melo. i dont think its a trade off because you get a guy who rebounds more. if we want a GOLD BALL changes are going to have to be made. and im sorry i do like melo but he will never be a leader he just an all-star not a superstar. this is just my thoughts so go easy on me.

by tknuckle on May 1, 2010 5:48 PM MDT reply actions  

I see where you're coming from

But I honestly would rather have Melo. I think 30-4 is an exaggeration. He’s stepped up his rebounding as of late, and if he sustains this through 2010-11, he could average 28-8 easily. And to me 28-8-4 is better than 25-12-2 or whatever Bosh brings to the table. Couple that with the fact that Bosh is a bad defender…Melo is the better player.

Aside from that, look at Bosh over in Toronto. What’s he led his team to? 3 or 4 playoff appearances? In the East??!! Melo’s taken the Nuggets to 7 straight in the West. True that he hasn’t done so well once he’s reached the playoffs, but the track record with Melo is still far greater than Bosh’s.

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by Uh on May 1, 2010 7:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

melo ever gets into the habit of following his shot

he would lead the nba in scoring and average double digits in rebounding. he has the same bad habit as smith and kleiza. all 3 would launch a 3 point shot and be jogging back on defense before the ball ever hit the rim. melo plays like gerald wallace he could be one of the best ever to play the game.

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by nohoops4u on May 1, 2010 7:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Players like Gerald Wallace are rare

Few NBA players sacrifice their body like he does and put the effort that he puts.

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"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = #25

by LACK on May 1, 2010 8:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

When Melo does follow his shot, he’s great at pulling down the offensive rebound, getting the putback, drawing the contact… it’s just the mentality that I guess has to change.

by Artimus Mangilord on May 3, 2010 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Melo is the fourth best player in the league

Behind LeBron, Durant, and Wade. Kobe is fifth, and Howard is 6th.

"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = #25

by LACK on May 1, 2010 8:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I feel the exact opposite

I think he’s just as talented as Kobe or Lebron and he’s a better defender than both of them too.

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by GoldenNugget on May 2, 2010 9:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

durant & kobe better than howard?

with the kind of defense dwight brings to the table? you’re crazy.

by AGAINST_DA_LAW-SON on May 2, 2010 5:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Durant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kobe/Dwight

But Dwight might be better than Kobe.

Durant is such a beast offensively and getting rebounds, and can pass better than Howard. His defense is OK, but for defense you gotta evaluate it by position. Howard is a good defender and rebounder (although he does occasionally gamble too much), but his offense is just too limited for him to be better than Durant.

"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
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by LACK on May 2, 2010 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

I love Melo too but I think you need to put things into perspective a bit

Melo is not better than Kobe or Howard, end of story. Those guys have each led their teams to the Finals, one is arguabley the 2nd best SG of all time and the closest thing to Jordan we have ever seen, while the other is and has been for a while the best C in the league and the best defensive player in the league. Melo is a great scorer but look at his playoff record and his whole track record. Simply not as good as either of the guys you mentioned.

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by GoldenNugget on May 2, 2010 9:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great write-up

I think that the Nuggets need to invest in a 3rd point guard as well. But my reasoning would be to have Chauncey spend more time at shooting guard. I think Ty needs more burn, especially with the first unit.

by NuggBuckets on May 1, 2010 6:15 PM MDT reply actions  

I like that idea

And actually wouldn’t mind if AC got some time being that he’s a great contrast to both Billups and Lawson. If this were the case it would be nice to see JR get shipped off for a good rebounding C.

"Jive turkey is a little over the line my man!"

"I'm kinda grumpy today, dude. I didn't get a lot of sleep last night. I was having those dreams again. Ya know, how it's just me in a castle and I gotta fight, like, a thousand wizards and the only way to beat them is to punch them as hard as I can in their faces. Then, when I'm done, all their little wizard wives came out and wanted me to have sex with them - which is kinda weird."

by GoldenNugget on May 2, 2010 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Karl coming back may not be a certainty

Especially a metastatic throat cancer. As a med student, I have heard that the treatment may extra his life 5 yrs, but it doesn’t eradicate the cancer. I can only hope he gets through it. I beleive the media doenplayed the severity of his cancer from what I have heard
I did hear Kroenke saying he wants to make some changes to the team and will make them so I am sure he is staying on board despite this NFL thing

by JR15 on May 1, 2010 6:15 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Also

Even though he bleeds money with the Nugs, he can make it up with Arsenal. Basketball is the only sport he hasn’t won a title with, so I expect him to spend more as long as he is spending it smartly (good talent that works hard).

by JR15 on May 1, 2010 6:17 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Has he won a title since buying the Avs?

No…at least as far as I know.

"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = #25

by LACK on May 1, 2010 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Kroenke didn't bring the Avs to Denver

Charlie Lyons owned them until 2000,when Kroenke bought the Nuggets and Avs, so Kroenke has one championship with the Avs.

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by airforcefoo on May 1, 2010 7:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think it will be

Orlando vs Spurs with Orlando winning it all. Cleveland will find a way to lose bc Lebron is a definite drama queen

by JR15 on May 1, 2010 6:18 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Never

I say the Suns win it all because the Lakers will get jizzed on by the Jazz, but the Suns will sweep the old Spurs away, and the Suns are too fast for Utah’s floppers. Magic will make the finals for the reason that you stated.

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"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = #25

by LACK on May 1, 2010 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Steve Nash is the one guy remaining who I look at and think, he deserves a title.

The Spurs, Lakers, and Celtics all have rings. The Magic are young. The Jazz….heh, right. The Cavs are young. Well Lebron is young at any rate. They might be relying heavily on the contributions of Antawn Jamison, Shaquille O’Neal, and big Z, but at least Lebron is still young. And Mo Williams. But he sucks.

What was I talking about

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by Uh on May 1, 2010 7:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

spurs and suns will be interesting

they were the last 2 teams in the regular season to work over the nuggets. spurs are a half court slow down team and suns are run and gun.

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by nohoops4u on May 1, 2010 8:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

They had a pretty epic series not too long ago, I fully expect this one to be just as exciting.

By the way, George Hill? Out of nowhere? God I hate the Spurs

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by Uh on May 1, 2010 8:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've been a George Hill fan all season

Remember my IUPUI joke that I made back in December/January?

"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = #25

by LACK on May 1, 2010 8:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Still the Spurs are just too good at this

I guess the Jazz too.

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by Uh on May 1, 2010 8:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

can i answer some of those

1. yes, if he’s not now he will be he has improved on passing and rebounding and as shown in the first half of the season that he is mvp caliber

2. it’s a toss up, i hope that they think winning is better than money so we can get them back

3.no, unfortunately they know JR is a double edged sword. as much as i love his uncanny ability to hit stupid shots. it kills me to see him pulling these stupid shot

4.another toss up if he is willing to take a massive paycut for the team, and be a bench guy if we get a big name bigman than i want him to stay. if not than we gotta cast, but i doubt anyone willing to take his paycheck

5. he has at least 3 years on him, thats why we got BLURRRR!!!!!!

6. i’m leaving that up to god as tim tebow would say

7.bosh might be willing to for:
a. denver is a good city
b. compared to the talent on the heat, he has a good chance at winning one with us for a long time.
c. i have a feeling that my favorite forward (AAAAAMMAAAAARREEEE!!!!!) will resign with phoenix due to their success now

for all i know we just gotta wait and see

8. it all depends on whether GK comes back or not

9. i’m not good with business yet being 17, so i’m going to leave that to you guys.

10. if they leave let them, i for one will remain a quitter till i die!!!!!!

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by Kevin L on May 1, 2010 6:49 PM MDT reply actions  

also on #7 there could be a certain german that wants to win somewhere else

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by Kevin L on May 1, 2010 6:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, It's me.

Well, I pretty much agree with you Andrew on this. But, I also want to add that Nene was awful down the stretch (no killer instinct). I think that the nuggets should look to see what we can get for him. (who knows its worth a shot)

Say good bye to J.R.

Hopefully We keep our two execs.

(Yeah, Andrew and Nate I have read every article)

by Agent Fisher on May 1, 2010 6:53 PM MDT reply actions  

There are serious cracks

in the team’s foundation and too many headcases to play winning playoff basketball. This team needs to be blown up!

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by StinkyFingers on May 1, 2010 8:00 PM MDT reply actions  

Great way of saying it, except for the last sentence

I think we still have the foundations for a championship caliber team. We just need a few tweaks ala the Lakers of the past few years.

"Jive turkey is a little over the line my man!"

"I'm kinda grumpy today, dude. I didn't get a lot of sleep last night. I was having those dreams again. Ya know, how it's just me in a castle and I gotta fight, like, a thousand wizards and the only way to beat them is to punch them as hard as I can in their faces. Then, when I'm done, all their little wizard wives came out and wanted me to have sex with them - which is kinda weird."

by GoldenNugget on May 2, 2010 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Lakers did more than a few tweaks

They traded nothing for Gasol and instantly became championship contenders

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by runningdonut on May 2, 2010 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

So... what you're saying... is...

We need to acquire nothing, and trade it to the Grizzlies?

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by Tempestuous Binary on May 2, 2010 11:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well we already did

But Steven Hunter didn’t exactly net us a Gasol

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by Uh on May 2, 2010 11:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Dang. Too true.

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by Tempestuous Binary on May 4, 2010 12:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks, troll

JR Smith would fit in perfectly in Golden State. What can you give us?

by Artimus Mangilord on May 3, 2010 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

Great post

In the style of Kevin L I will answer some of these. Just a couple.

1. If the criteria to becoming a definitive superstar is playing defense, then no, I think he won’t be able to do it. If the criteria is passing and raising the assist numbers, then he’ll be a superstar next year. If the criteria is coming up in clutch situations, then he’ll be a superstar three years ago. Seriously, of all the knocks on Melo I’m surprised at the “doesn’t come up in the clutch” one. He’s one of the best players in the league in those situations. Undeniable that he’s played poorly in elimination games, but I think he’s gotten the benefit of the doubt by virtue of his willingness to pick up this team and earn them a win. He was on that path last night until, well, everything started spiraling out of control

3. Only if he comes packaged, I’m guessing. Or if it’s the Celtics trying to obtain him (hey what’s up with the Celtics these days? Last year it was Stephon Marbury? This year it’s Rasheed and Nate Robinson?). JR might end up packaged with Nene or more likely KMart, or he might end up packaged with picks (fervently hope not. I’d rather participate in the draft one of these days). But I can’t see any non-Boston team willing to actually trade for JR alone.

5. Hmmm…I think he does, if he limits his minutes. Start him, but don’t be afraid to rest him games and give the starts to Ty Lawson. Ty’s gonna be the starter come 2012 either way, so might as well give the dude some experience early. But yeah, it’s all about limiting Chauncey’s PT.

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by Uh on May 1, 2010 8:03 PM MDT reply actions  

OMG, you are a psychic!

If you look at what you wrote this way:

“…(hey what’s up with the Celtics these days? Last year it was Stephon Marbury? This year it’s Rasheed and Nate Robinson?). JR…”

You may have stumbled on something. Call it numerology or ufology or whatever but since the Celtics have become the proving grounds for head cases, Marbury, Robinson, Garnett, why not JR. It would be interesting to see someone bully him into being a decent player. Then again, you look at young guys like Rondo and think, why is it nobody had to bully him to be great. That could have been JR. Why does it take more than $3million a year to inspire you. Why does it take more than $3million a year and the chance to have a dream job and the chance to be loved by millions, yadda yadda yadda. If it does then you are a head case and maybe the Celtics is in your future.

by MMGraves on May 1, 2010 8:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

ray allen may not be back celtics would have a need at shooting guard

doc rivers may not coach the celtics next year. rivers’ father was a police officer. his uncle is jim brewer. he played in the nba with the cavs, lakers and blazers. the celtics would be a different team without rivers being the head coach.

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by nohoops4u on May 1, 2010 8:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I gotta dream.

and JR being gone is part of it.

by MMGraves on May 1, 2010 8:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

i'm not even going to check it

but i’m guessing your salaries re about 10 million off there, if this trade were to go through Nugz would be taking Rasheed back in the deal as well…no thanks

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by Zachm219 on May 2, 2010 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

Rondo got a 5 year, 55 million extension, but since he's a PPP player his outgoing trade value is lower

JR and Nene for Rondo and Perkins and Rasheed, who we buy out? Possibly…

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by LACK on May 2, 2010 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ugh. Rondo.

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by Tempestuous Binary on May 2, 2010 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I love Rondo personally

He’s lightning quick, athletic and the best defensive pg in the league

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by Zachm219 on May 2, 2010 9:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

I guess I need to get the memory of a PG that can’t shoot to save his life out of my head.

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by Tempestuous Binary on May 2, 2010 11:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

did you see the ball fake he pulled against cle in game 2?

insaaaaaaane!

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by Zachm219 on May 4, 2010 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

BAD NEWS

GK hospitalized again for blood clots. terrible, get well soon coach.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/nuggets/2010/05/01/george-karl-again-hospitalized-for-blood-clot-in-leg/

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by 808inDenver on May 1, 2010 9:32 PM MDT reply actions  

Guy just can’t catch a break :(

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by UZ on May 1, 2010 9:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Get better George. When you come back I say all of us at Denver Stiffs buy you a welcome back present

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by jpage78 on May 1, 2010 10:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I made a FanShot of that information two hours beofre you made that comment...

But yeah, it’s bad news.

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by LACK on May 2, 2010 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why make JR the goat of the Nuggets?

It not like he designed an offense that relies on iso’s. It not like he is the only Nugget who can’t set a pick. The Nuggets were only able to beat the Jazz when he saw the ball on the second half . . .while I don’t pretend to know what goes on on that team, I can understand why he might have been frustrated in game 6.

I think it is time to realize JR is servicable NBA player with stregnths and weaknesses. He will probably never be a NBA all-star, but that doesn’t mean he can’t contribute to a winning team.

by Frontrange on May 1, 2010 10:41 PM MDT reply actions  

I think part of the problem is that he’s a jerk.

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by UZ on May 1, 2010 10:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

..

I guess guys who help little girls with health/mental issues are jerks. Damn them all!

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by RPN on May 2, 2010 12:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Guys who make millions to play a gme and don't take their job seriously are jerks

Yeah JR does his volunteer work, and no knock on him for it, but I mean come on can we please stop trying to defend JR’s basketbll attitude with his community attitude. He takes bad shots, he doesn’t put forth a serious effort, he makes poor judgement calls (see april fools prank) as a person JR may be a gret guy, as a basketball player he’s jerk

Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?

by Zachm219 on May 2, 2010 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

In the grand scheme of things, helping little girls with health/mental issues is more important.

And that’s why he should retire from his illustrious career of jacking up poorly planned shots in order to spend more time with his charity.

by MMGraves on May 2, 2010 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

If Only

He could find a little girl to help him with his.

by CaddyJack on May 3, 2010 2:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

The thing that kills me now is that I am left now rooting for the team that eliminated the Nuggets. For while I may despise the Jazz for ending Denver’s season, there is no way in hell I’m rooting against them in a series against LA.

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by FrankD on May 2, 2010 12:29 AM MDT reply actions  

Even then it’s kind of hard to pick. I mean, I’m as happy as anyone that Denver didn’t face Phoenix is the first round, but I can’t say I hate them as much as the Lakers. Either way, I think the teams out of the East are packing a bigger punch than in the West.

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by FrankD on May 3, 2010 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

sadly i agree with Trading J.R

His attitude and play was horrible in that last game. I think we could trade him for a big man and perhaps try and steal a guard as well… but the main thing is we need to get a big man in the offseason and trading him is a good way to do it.

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by stan_26 on May 2, 2010 3:08 AM MDT reply actions  

Trade JR HIGH

The question is not if the Nuggets should trade JR… its when. Trading JR this offseason would be a huge mistake as he is likely at close to an all time low in value with how he behaved and performed in the playoffs. Trade him after he gets going next year… hopefully sometime in November or December because he traditionally caps the season with a slow start.

The next question is when to trade KMart. No way he will opt out or restructure… and hopefully he will not because it gives the Nuggets a great big fat contract to move. Trading Kmart by himself may not be a great move because you are likely just going to pick up a longer term/nastier contract on another overpaid player. But if paired with Nene and/or JR I think it could open the door to a big sign and trade.

Finally, If the Nuggets keep Nene they need to bring in a big center… a real center… Marc Gasol is the perfect player (I am aware he has been floating around the papers lately) or possibly Kaman although he may be hard to pry since the Clips don’t have Camby anymore. They need a big center to plug in… this makes the Nuggets stronger while at the same time motivating Nene because he has always been disgruntled about having to play out of position.

Trading Nene is a must if they cannot do not trade for a legitimate center. He simply doesn’t fill the bill and could be a dominate power forward.

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by JHoz on May 2, 2010 6:44 AM MDT reply actions  

You nailed the hit in the head

Or I mean you hit the nail in the head. We need to trade JR when his value is high. His value was higher last offseason, because many people believed that he was an XFactor along with Chauncey in getting the Nuggets to the WCF. Hopefully, JR plays his butt off for the first 20 games because he’s playing for a big contract, and we find a taker.

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by LACK on May 2, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thank you, Andrew and Nate....

….for giving us Nuggets fans a place to vent, stay close to our beloved Nuggets, and have fun! Your insightful articles and coverage of all-things Nuggets make this site the #1 web site for the fan. I agree that this is going to be an important summer for the Nuggets on a number of fronts, but my suspicion (given Kroenke’s disposition) is the franchise will mainly stand pat what with all of the expiring contracts after next year and the looming collective bargaining battle. I would sure like to see the Nuggets find a way to package Kmart/JR and their expiring 20 million in contracts for a player that can score and defend in the post and block a few shots. I think Al Jefferson could be that guy, but there are likely others. If anything, Melo gets better next year if he has a true post presence to play off of and cover up some of his mistakes on defense. Though I have been critical of Melo in the post, I do acknowledge his immense talent and his importance to Denver basketball. My fear is that if the Nuggs don’t add a solid young Big, and next year ends up with an 8th seed or worse, that Melo bolts in the summer of 2011 for New York. He will be the top free agent next summer, and NY will make a hard play for the Melo man. So, this summer is HUGE if we want to improve the team and keep Melo beyond next season. As always, I look forward to following the action on and off the court on Denver Stiffs. GO NUGGETS!!!

by ACEIII on May 2, 2010 6:53 AM MDT reply actions  

I second this. Great job this season guys. I may not comment all the time but I do read every day. Please keep up during the offseason so I have something to do on my lunch break.

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by FrankD on May 3, 2010 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Excellent summation....

We need to get bigger and stronger. Agreed. George is a good coach but he did a lousy job getting Petro and Graham minutes in the regular season. He has never done a good job with developing bigs on the bench. That would have given us more bench strength and taken some minutes off of K-Marts bad knees, and Nene and Chris’ beat up bodies.
We were beatup inside and you have to develop a bench. We knew this was our weakness from game 1 and nothing was done to address it.

K-mart did not blow the game. It was a start, I agree, but we had many calls and plays later that added to it also. K-Mart is an issue. He makes way to much money and has bad knees. He also plays great defense when healthy and even added a jump shot this year. If you think we are soft with K-Mart, what happens with out him. He is near the end of his career and I don’t see but 1 or 2 years left. Who is going to take him but a playoff contender who needs 15 minutes from him in the playoffs. The problem is still his salary then.

I know this is sacriledge (sp?) to question Chauncey but he takes some bad shots at times and can also get sloppy with the ball. For an excellent player and veteran he could be smarter.

I love Ty Lawson. He was a steal. If he works on his three point shooting he will be unstoppable with his quickness to the hoop.

They have maybe 1 more year left with this team. K-mart, Anderson, and Chauncey are aging. The future is Melo, Nene and Ty. We need another score like Korver to take JR’s place and off course we need to replace our bigs. I hope Petro and Graham get a better chance to do that, but we will need more than them.

I had excellent seats for many of the games this year. The refs are bad in the season and horrendous in the playoffs. I agree with the no call on the flop, or the technical for unsportmans like conduct like in hockey. The refs anticipate calls and blow the whistle. I for once would like to see a ref say I blow it, and give the team the ball, or jump it up when this happens.
They also let their personalities take over. Another idea, since every crew calls the game differently and sometimes they just want to calm things down if it has been a TOO physical game or series. Typically Joey Crawford gets the next game of a physical series to slow it dow. That has it’s own issues.

Why don’ t they have the refs go over what they are going to call and how close they are going to call it before the game. They can even do that during a game instead of suddenly call 2 or 3 fouls on things they had let go just minutes before.

I love the other discussions but wanted to add stuff that hadn’t been talked about so much.

by Tigertony on May 2, 2010 9:44 AM MDT reply actions  

Don't trade JR

he is the only one on this team that is capable of running a deadly pick and roll attack. Denver runs an iso offense. They always bitch about how JR dribbles the ball around and shoots a fadeaway, but that’s what Chauncey and Melo do too. If JR had a solid system to play in, he’d be deadly. Look at Korver. Does he have any skills other than shooting? No, but Sloan’s system sets up good looks for him.

JR is amazing at spot up 3’s, and he is better at the pick and roll than Chauncey or Ty.

Fact.

by jb22 on May 2, 2010 9:59 AM MDT reply actions  

We just need a better development coach

JR can work. People love throwing him under the bus because he is emotional. I say we trade JR if we can get a Bosh or Nowitzki, otherwise be patient and develop him.
The system needs to change and the Nuggets organization knows this. A crappy veteran who works hard is the same argument as Tim Tebow. He may not have NFL talent but he is a team player.
I have good character and am a hard worker, maybe they should put me on the team even though I would suck at pro basketball. Plus I would come really cheap…lol

by JR15 on May 2, 2010 10:29 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Develop him into what?

We’ve spent 5 years developing him, face it guys JR is what he is, he’s not going to get much better if at all. If JR had a solid system in he’d be deadly? I don’t think thats the problem, its not the system, its the player. He lacks the discipline and even keel to be deadly.

Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?

by Zachm219 on May 2, 2010 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

As a JR fan

JR would be perfect in San Antonio. Pop knows how to turn head cases into brilliant players see S. Jackson and Ginobili. Yes Ginobili was considered a head case when he was in the league for a little bit.
The bad thing is he would be playing for the Spurs and continually lighting us up, but it would go to show how the right coach means everything.

by JR15 on May 2, 2010 12:27 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Never

Because SAntonio would somehow convince us to give away JR for almost nothing. They have the best GM and one of the best coaches in the league. As the saying goes, never trade with anybody smarter than you.

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"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
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by LACK on May 2, 2010 7:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why was Ginobili considered a headcase?

I’ve never heard that before.

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by GoldenNugget on May 2, 2010 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Still considered a head case

That is why he goes through so many stretches each year playing like garbage.

by Gasus on May 3, 2010 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

He's not just emotional, he is perpetually immature.

He’s been on the Nuggets for I think five years and I think he’s peaked. That ridiculous thing with him bouncing the ball to the hoop. The fact that he did this embarrasing immature thing is bad enough but he managed to elicit some smirks from Jerry Sloan who never smiles. Wake up JR, that was Jerry Sloan recognizing that you are a five year old.

I realize he’s not the only problem with this team.

by MMGraves on May 2, 2010 10:42 AM MDT reply actions  

Again with the Melo stuff??

Durant is a true superstar cuz he wins 2 games in his first series after not playing all that good in all games not at home. But Melo isnt a true star cuz “he” loses elimination games??? How bout everyone on the team shows up for every game, then maybe Melo gets some help and advances more…

MELO!!!

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by abaca15 on May 2, 2010 11:15 AM MDT reply actions  

I am 100% fully behind Carmelo Anthony

He is pure awesomeness. He single handedly saved basketball in Colorado. He’s the John Elway, the Joe Sakic, the Todd Helton of the Denver Nuggets. His jersey will one day go up in the rafters, right next to the championship banner he will win us.

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by Zachm219 on May 2, 2010 11:51 AM MDT reply actions   2 recs

For all of those reasons...

AND BECAUSE MELO IS A QUITTER!!!!!!!!!

"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
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by LACK on May 2, 2010 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

OK, that picture was too big

Here’s a slightly smaller one.

Melo = MVQ: Most Valuable Quitter

Crimestopper = MWQ: Most Worthless Quitter

"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = QPU #25, and no, it's not because of Anthony Carter

by LACK on May 2, 2010 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

it's still kicking in...

feels like i should be reading a preview right now

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by Bek$ on May 2, 2010 1:05 PM MDT reply actions  

R.I.P. '09 Nugs.

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by Tempestuous Binary on May 2, 2010 3:15 PM MDT reply actions  

i just turned on the jazz/nuggets game (its in the middle of 4th)

mathews is trying to flop like he did to get melo those offensive fouls, and its the same exact contact except they are calling it defensvie

FUCK YOU STERN

by hvino on May 2, 2010 3:57 PM MDT reply actions  

From a Laker fan...

This was a great post, really nice read. It’s nice to know that even loyal Denver fans are fed up with J.R. Smith’s attitude and K-Mart’s baggage. As a Laker fan I’m kind of torn about Denver not playing the LA in the conference semi finals. On the one hand, it would have been nice to get some sweet sweet revenge for the thrashings we took in the regular season, but the Jazz especially with the injuries are an easier match up. Either way, I agree that Denver needed coach karl and as a sports fan you hate to see competition take a back seat to unforseen circumstances.

Here’s to a healthy george karl and a competitive west coast rivalry with the Lakers. Minus earl smith and k-mart hopefully

by LongLiveLA on May 2, 2010 4:53 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks

And good luck to the Lakers (Personally, I’ll be rooting for the winner of the Spurs/Suns series…)

by Artimus Mangilord on May 3, 2010 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

jazz especially with the injuries are an easier match up

that’s the ticket. do not give that team a second thought especially after winning the first game of the series. they do not have home court too. good idea to just dismiss the jazz, think the series is over and go through the motions because they are from utah. sounds like deja vu all over again.

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by nohoops4u on May 2, 2010 7:58 PM MDT reply actions  

lakers own the jazz

i really don’t think this will be much of a series. we matchup better against the lakers than the jazz do. i still think phoenix is coming out of the west though. i’d like to see nash get a title

by skithebert on May 2, 2010 10:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I don’t think the Jazz will win this series. If only LA played hard every game, then it’d be no contest.

Beyond that: The NBA wants LA to win, not the Jazz . . . and they’ll get the calls the Nuggets did not (see game 1 yesterday). That’s the NBA with Stern in charge. So it shall be done.

by blooming rock on May 3, 2010 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

My two cents

Well, first of all great writeup Andy. You know I have always respected your talent and knowledge/theories on basketball. I feel more sad for you and Nate, as well as George Karl right now than anybody. It’s people like you guys that put your hearts and souls (as well as cash) into this team each year and not often are you rewarded the way you should be.

This season was one that was meant to be great but as we know in sports all too well, things often times don’t turn out the way fans believe they will. Karl’s tragic diagnosis was the straw the broke the camels back.

I guess I’ll just get straight into it. I think right now people are freaking out (and rightfully so) but they need keep in mind that we still have a great team capable of winning a title. Just because we are extremely dysfunctional at times doesn’t mean we can’t win. We still have one of the most talented rosters in the league and I think with a few tweaks we might be able to get over the hump. If I were the GM I would certainly be exploring my options but I DEFINATLY wouldn’t be trying to blow up this team.

On the topic of JR. Yeah the guy is a headcase sometimes and will always be immature. BUT it can’t be emphasised enough that he’s capable of some rare things we see in this league. 2nd all time for 3s made in a game and first in the history of the franchise for making 3s isn’t something you just get rid of because you are unhappy at the moment. I don’t know what the deal is with everyone but I have seen a lot of maturity out of JR the last few years. I think if we keep working with him he can keep getting better.

On Melo. Ugh, I’m actually more tired of him than anybody. The quotes he had after game 3 or 4 in Utah about him needing help just made me sick. Here we are 7 years into his tenure in Denver and all he’s still concerned about is himself. Do you EVER hear Lebron or Dwight Howard or Kevin Durant say shit like that? No. And you know what’s interesting is that all those guys are currently better than Melo (at least in my opinion). It’s just shocking how childish and vain Melo is for how good he is. The Melo’s people of Utah commercial was, shit I don’t even have words for how ridiculous that was. You simply can’t put crap like that out and then go and lay an egg like we did. But you think he would have known by the way we played the last month of the season. Guess not. But to answer the question of weather or not we should trade him. It’s short and simple. HELL NO!!!

I know it sucks that the season is over but for me being such a basketball junkie, the off season is almost as exciting as the regular season. I love seeing what GMs do to try and improve their teams and this year especially is going to be off the wall crazy. I think if we are serious about winning still, which it appears we are, we HAVE to sign another legit big. Other than that I’m not so sure we need to do much. Afflalo and Ty are going to be huge next year and our starting rotation will have yet another year to mesh. I think things are really good right now and we need to appreciate them. Like I have always said, we need to remember we are still Denver Nuggets fans after all.

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by GoldenNugget on May 2, 2010 10:10 PM MDT reply actions  

J.R.

I think Smith suffers from the lack of structure on the team. A more structured offense may limit his spectacular plays, but it would more importantly reduce the bad ones and make him more consistent.

by CancerSucks on May 3, 2010 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

structure = sulking

JR is what he is. You’re looking at it.

by Artimus Mangilord on May 3, 2010 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

maybe

But Smith reminds me a lot of a puppy or a child. They want more than anything to please the adult in the room, they just aren’t sure what they should do. No one has ever told him what to do, so you see him meander a lot during games, trying to figure it out. One game it’s all threes (too often), one game it’s penetrate and dish to teammates, one game it’s not show up at all, one game it’s attack the basket. You can literally see him thinking on the court. Trading him may be the right answer, but you will never convince me that he isn’t superior to a guy like Kyle Korver in every way except coaching.

He doesn’t know what to do because no one tells him.

by CancerSucks on May 3, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

This is a good analysis..

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by SDcat09 on May 3, 2010 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks Nate and Andrew

for a season of great coverage. The season was extremely disappointing, but the coverage was great.

Also:

11) Will “Random” basketball finally die this offseason, or will it return to ruin another season next year?

by CancerSucks on May 3, 2010 10:42 AM MDT reply actions  

JR's gotta go

If you want a championship team, you need players with a winning attitude. JR doesn’t have it. Period.

by jimmybart on May 3, 2010 5:25 PM MDT reply actions  

Untouchables

I figure that Melo, Billups and Ty are the only players on the roster that are untouchable. Maybe you want to keep Bird for marketing reasons, but everyone else should be considered expendable.

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by Thursty on May 3, 2010 6:46 PM MDT reply actions  

Agreed

I’d love to hold on to Affalo but realistically his stock went way up this year, and if he gets used in a package to bring back a really solid player, I wouldn’t be too upset.

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by Uh on May 3, 2010 6:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

oh man

I’d be really sad if Afflalo were gone. But I at least agree he’s not as important as Melo, Chauncey, & Ty.

by ParkHillNative on May 4, 2010 12:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Bird is untouchable as well

Not because he’s so valuable we can’t lose him, but because nobody wants to take on a hobbled big man with a back loaded contract that has multiple years on it and won’t expire until his late thirties. Now that Kenyon has an expiring contract, Bird takes on the dubious title of “Most Untradeable Player”

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by Zachm219 on May 4, 2010 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

What you say

…is probably true but not my point. If someone offers you something for Bird; you listen just as you would for Nene or any of the other players not listed in my first post on the subject. Those three guys you pretty much say to the rest of the league “we’re not going to pay attention to any offers for those guys but we’ll listen for anyone else” I mean that’s kind of assuming that you’re not going to be offered anybody on the other teams untouchable list. For instance the Jazz aren’t going to offer Deron Williams straight up for Billups. Not going to happen. Otherwise the three I listed are untouchable with the rest being expendable. You want value for your trade though. If you could trade AC and Tacos for a servicable 15 minute a night big man you do it but if they offer a ball boy and the mascot’s assisstant then forget it.

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by Thursty on May 4, 2010 6:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

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STIFF #1: J.R. SMITH 
Remember when I wrote that J.R.'s "nine lives may be up"? Well, that was last January. With Denver police looking closely at J.R. allegedly attacking former 14er Damien Lolar at a recent Pepsi Center shoot-around, it's clear that J.R. will never mature and it's time to move him.

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Like father, like son. Last week, His Airness's 19-year-old son tweeted about dropping $50k at the Aria casino in Las Vegas prompting an investigation.

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