When 39 and 11 isn't enough...
After watching LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Kevin Durant will their respective teams to victory over the weekend, it's fair to question if Carmelo Anthony is simply an all-star inside a superstar's body.
It's pretty tough to ask a guy who scored 39 points (on 13-for-26 shooting), grabbed 11 rebounds (six offensive) and had four steals to do more to win a basketball game. But if the Nuggets have any prayer of beating the Jazz in this first round series, Carmelo Anthony must elevate his play from all-star level to superstar level...quickly. And doing so involves a heck of a lot more than just scoring a bunch of points.
Before I get flogged again for being "anti-Melo," let me clearly state (again) that I'm a huge Carmelo Anthony fan, am routinely the first to recognize that we wouldn't have made seven straight playoff appearances without him and often cringe at the thought of a post-Melo Nuggets (a possibility that the east coast media is already conjuring up). Melo is a bona fide all-star and will be for years to come. But a superstar, regrettably, he may not be.
Facing elimination, a superstar gets to the free throw line seven times, puts up a 2010 playoff high 46 points to go along with five assists while holding his opponent to five points below his scoring average...like Dwyane Wade did on Sunday morning.
After losing to the worst team in the playoffs, a superstar puts up a triple double - 37 points, 12 rebounds and 11 assists - to send a "we're not losing to this team again" message as LeBron James did on Sunday afternoon.
With his shooting accuracy off, a superstar looks for other ways to contribute, such as defending the opposing team's best player, grabbing big defensive rebounds and blocking a key shot during crunch time...as Kevin Durant did against Kobe Bryant and the Lakers last Thursday night.
And it goes without saying how the superstars of yesteryear - MJ, Magic, Bird, Hakeem and Isiah just to name a few - would respond to playoff losses.
Carmelo Anthony may be the best scorer in the NBA, but I fear for our sake as Nuggets fans that that's all he is: a great scorer. Seven years and seven consecutive playoff appearances later, Melo infrequently poses his will on games a la LeBron, Wade, Kobe or Durant. We've seen him do it before, Games 1 and 2 against the Lakers last year immediately comes to mind, but unfortunately not enough (Games 3 through 6 against the Lakers also comes to mind).
For example, en route to his 39 points and 11 rebounds against the Jazz in Game 4, Melo turned the ball over nine times, found himself in early foul trouble for the third consecutive game (I'll grant that the refs called an absurdly unfair game in favor of Utah - but - this has been a pattern for Melo in the playoffs for years now), got to the charity stripe just five times, dished out a mere one assist and turned the players he was "guarding" - previously unknowns C.J. Miles and Wesley Matthews - into all-stars.
And Melo's leadership is suspect, as well. In his post-game press conference, Melo said: "I'm trying, I'm trying to beat them. I'm trying to do everything I can in my power to beat the Jazz. But, at the end of the day, I need some help. I can't do this by myself." With Melo it's still "I, I, I and I..." I couldn't help but think of when the legendary Larry Bird called out his Celtics teammates after Game 4 of the 1984 NBA Finals by saying: "We played like a bunch of women tonight." Note he didn't say: "They played like a bunch of women tonight."
A superstar saves the "I's" for his inner voice. Did LeBron, Wade or Durant pubicly ask for help after their teams recent losses? No. They went out and played the best they could, and their teammates naturally followed with great games themselves (that whole "a rising tide lifts all ships" concept at work...that's leadership).
In theory, the Nuggets shouldn't need Melo to play like a superstar to beat a thinned-out Utah Jazz team and you can't pin these losses on #15. You'd think an all-star performance from Melo alongside teammates like Chauncey Billups, Kenyon Martin, Nene, J.R. Smith, Ty Lawson and Arron Afflalo could handle Deron Williams, Carlos Boozer, Paul Millsap, Kyrylo Fesenko, C.J. Miles and Wesley Matthews. But thanks to a shoddy effort by the Nuggets players collectively and an exceptional effort by the Jazz, we've learned better.
Billups has faded on us. Perhaps due to logging too many minutes over the years and this season in particular. Perhaps because he's uninterested in listening to acting coach Adrian Dantley's orders and only responds to George Karl. Who knows. Nene has gone fofinha yet again (ask anyone who speaks Portuguese what that means). J.R. Smith just needs to be gone. We don't need a poor man's John Starks in Denver anymore. And while we're getting decent outings from Lawson, Afflalo and K-Mart, none of those guys have ever won a game by themselves nor should they be asked to.
Of all the players on a talent-laden Denver Nuggets roster, only Carmelo Anthony can win a game by himself. And unfortunately for Melo, another 30-plus scoring game isn't going to cut it.
In the Carmelo Anthony Era, the Nuggets have never won a playoff elimination game and it's no accident that Melo has been a no-show in all of those games (as a rookie in 2004 he was literally a no-show, unable to play with a sprained knee). If they're to win their first elimination game with Melo by beating the Jazz on Wednesday night, he's going to have to score 40-something points, grab 10-plus rebounds, get to free throw line at least seven times for 14 attempts, play lock down defense, dish out at least three assists and stay out of foul trouble.
Guest hosting on NBATV on Sunday night, Houston Rockets forward Shane Battier said: "Superstars win playoff games."
I guess we'll find out on Wednesday (and possibly Friday) if the Nuggets have a superstar on their roster in Carmelo Anthony, or just a really good all-star.
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Way off here
Wade and Melo have done exactly the same thing. Single handedly win one game for their team. Difference is when Wade does it the Media go into a frenzy. When Melo does it, it’s on espn page2. The only difference in this series is 1 or 2 posessions in game 2. We all know that could have gone either way with a whistle here or there.
This
has truth to it. After yesterday’s epic guitar solo, Dwayne Wade, in his on-court postgame interview, basically said something close to: “Superstars can win one game by themselves, but I’ll need some help from teammates in the next game.” Not much different than Melo’s philosophy. And, yes, the media has a love affair with Wade, whose team sucks by the way. He’s more Christian and has better “character” or something. It’s hard to even watch Eastern Conference games, though, and don’t intend on making a habit of it.
by Bouncy Phillips on Apr 26, 2010 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Agree completely.
Melo is not the best defender, everyone know’s it. But he’s come to play this series, the same cannot be said about many of HIS teammates:
Billups has fallen off the table, yet still insists upon shooting his 3’s early in the shot clock . . . talk about someone who should put his team first, he’s the point guard and he’s had 4 and 3 assists in the last two games. Not to mention just getting abused by Williams.
JR Smith does not get it, I don’t think he will ever get it. He goes off for 30 points shooting 8-14 from three and everyone talks about how all the haters/doubters should stop talking . . . here’s the deal: JR shoots whether he’s on or not, does not play D even though he could be quite good at it, and rarely does much else when he’s not hitting the long shots.
I hope Anderson is hurting pretty badly right now, because if not then he’s playing like absolute garbage. Not that I hope he’s hurt, but that is the only thing that excuses his performance.
Nene . . . I don’t even know what to say. Dude could be dominant but just disappears for games at a time.
And finally, I understand Melo needs to play with a little more control when he’s not getting calls, but if the name on the back of his jersey said Wade, James, or Bryant, he wouldn’t have more than 3 fouls in any game this series and he’d have 2-3 fewer TO’s per game (since a lot of them come from offensive fould calls).
The TEAM needs to step up, EVERYONE, not just Melo.
by blooming rock on Apr 26, 2010 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
game 1
u dont think melo won us game 1. 17 for 24 from the field(3 quarter court shot doesnt count) 42 points. That was just as impressive (I think maybe more) as dwayne wades game.
by Birdman and Jay arah on Apr 26, 2010 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions
i was thinking this same thing
they should watch the first game and compare it to the 3 we have lost. it would suck for the media to be right about the jazz winnin. Im gonna hate having to hear non nuggets fans talking about things they dont even know all damn summer long
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
JR on twitter
“You play selfish you lose selfish that’s all I’m saying about the game!”
think that was for Melo? Look, if Melo is going to have the ball in his hands pretty much the whole time, then it is his responsiblity to play at a Lebron/Wade/Kobe level. Kobe has the ball in his hands 99% of the time, but the Lakers win because Kobe gets the job done.
Just to clarify, I love Melo’s game. But unless he ascends to Lebron’s level, he needs to realize that Denver plays best when Carmelo Anthony is a good small foward, NOT a superstar.
It needs to be repeated. Last season, Melo averaged his lowest scoring average in like 4 years, and they got to the WCF. (22ppg-ish). He played WITHIN THE FLOW of the offense. He ran curls of screens, dive cuts into the paint, high-low passing game, etc.
This year, he just runs out to the high post/wing area, posts up, and demands the ball on every play. If he is going to play that way, then IT SHOULD BE EXPECTED that he plays like the greats.
What I’m trying to say here is this. I’m not throwing Melo under the bus. He was the best player last night by far. He is an absolute beast on the offensive glass. But if he wants to play isomelo and take the full responsibility of winning the game, then he can’t say that he needs help AFTER the game.
When Kobe hogs the ball for 99% of the game, and misses the game winning shot, would he go to the press conference and complain about how he needs help? No, he’d put it on himself.
Melo can’t have it both ways. Either he needs to go balls-out Kobe style, demand the ball on every possession and singlehandedly win the game, or he needs to revert to 09 Melo, and play within the flow of the offense. Right now, he’s hanging in between, and it is sending mixed signals to his teammates as well.
by jb22 on Apr 26, 2010 9:39 AM MDT reply actions 3 recs
i have to agree
with andrew and jb22.
melo is hovering in-between. either hes gonna carry this team on his back whether or not he gets help…or we have to revert back to playing as a team.
granted a lot of it is the offense we run, among other things. but this team is falling apart quick. coach calls out star player. star player calls out the rest of the team for help. wild card player calls out someone (everyone?), dont know who, through twitter. wow. were helpless at this point.
but like always (via balkman’s twitter), “lets go nuggets!”
I agree in part
but this team has a serious problem moving without the ball. When Melo is double teamed he looks around and NO ONE is cutting to the basket. They are standing around like shlubs
Now….with all this being said….we are a bad call in game 2 away from being tied 2-2
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Karma from last year?
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that is my point
his teammates don’t know what the fuck is going on.
Why in the world would they cut if Melo is playing catch and shoot. Now they’re not rebounding, I have a problem with that. But remember what Hastings always says. When AC is in the game, everyone cuts and moves because they know they will get the ball.
now for the love of christ, i am not saying AC should play. I’m just using that as an example to say that no one cuts when Melo has the ball because they know he’s looking to do one thing.
it was a problem all season
no one knows what to do when melo gets the ball. it was funny when johan first started to play, i remember a few times he would cut to the basket at the very same time melo drove to the lane. clogged the fuckin lane like crazy…lol.
People don't cut when ANYBODY has the ball, not just Melo.
Pisses me off to blame the team’s problems on one guy.
Can Melo improve: yes. Can the rest of the team improve: Hell yes!
Chauncy’s shooting threes even when he’s not hitting, so is JR. Heck I’ve got a much bigger problem with Kenyon shooting his 20 foot jumpers than I do with Melo doing the same.
Let’s put a little perspective on things.
by blooming rock on Apr 26, 2010 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
not blamin melo
blamin this sorry ass thing we call our offense. it consists of getting 1 guy the ball and just winging it.
by 808inDenver on Apr 26, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
This is more a response to the theme of the thread, not necessarilly your comments.
I agree with you.
When a team is something like 47-7 when they get 20+ assists and they enter the 4th quarter in the biggest game of the season with something like 6? Totally unacceptable.
by blooming rock on Apr 26, 2010 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
rec'd
+1000000000000000
you’re just plain selfish if you don’t move off the ball cause youre not creating any opportunities for anyone
"I believe that basketball, when a certain level of unselfish team play is realized, can serve as a kind of metaphor for ultimate cooperation. It is a sport where success, as symbolized by the championship, requires that the dictates of the community prevail over selfish personal impulses. An exceptional player is simply one point on a five-pointed star. Statistics—such as points, rebounds, or assists per game—can never explain the remarkable interaction that takes place on a successful pro team."
~ Bill Bradley
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Kobe?
are you saying kobe’s been getting the job done. anyplayer in the NBA can get 25 points if they they take 30 shots to get there and get every call. watch the lakers games. kobe doesnt get his in the offense, he creates his own shot almost every time. At this point in time Melo is clearly playing better than Kobe. That would mean kobes not a superstar
by Birdman and Jay arah on Apr 26, 2010 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not going to say this is unfair Andrew
It’s certainly a valid opinion. It’s wrong….but its still valid
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+1
When i look at the series so far there is one bright spot:Carmelo Anthony. And you choose to write an article saying how melo has to step his game up. What about Chauncey, JR, NENE, AAA, chris anderson(no longer does he deserve the nickname birdman), ect
by Birdman and Jay arah on Apr 26, 2010 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Drew, good article
But I think it’s a team failure. I don’t see how we can expect Melo to singlehandedly carry everyone’s deficiencies.
When your frontcourt has played as poorly as the Nuggets has this postseason, I don’t know how it’s Melo’s fault. Nene and Bird have been complete no shows against a very inexperienced and small-ish Jazz frontcourt that they manhandled early in the season.
Melo can’t do it all.
Swats.
I didn't say it was Melo's fault for losing...
…I said that Melo has to do more in order for the Nuggets to win. Big difference.
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by Andrew Feinstein on Apr 26, 2010 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions
poorly worded then Andrew
because the “implication” of your article reads differently than your stated premise…..I understand frustration but it seemed like Melo was the only one trying out there last night. There’s only so much Melo can do
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"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
Completely disagree...
Melo can play lock down defense – we’ve seen him do it (albeit infrequently) before. Melo can get to the free throw line more. Melo can stay away from careless turnovers and silly fouls. And Melo can dish out more assists.
If he can’t, that’s fine. But just don’t tell me he’s a superstar.
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by Andrew Feinstein on Apr 26, 2010 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Can I ask you what more Melo can do?
Besides play 45 minutes a night? I’m sorry, but it’s very difficult for a player to be both a team’s best scorer and best defender. I would like Melo to play a better defensive game, sure, but his teammates have to do more.
I get sick to my stomach watching Melo get doubled or TRIPLED, and everyone just stands on the perimeter. Everyone!
It’s a two way street. Melo has to pass and trust his teammates more, but teams know how good Melo is and Melo’s teammates have to respond by cutting to the rim. We saw this all game with the Jazz with Fesenko and Boozer. We’d trap D-Will and they’d roll to the bucket. How many times did we see Nene or Kenyon or Bird do that? Three times, maybe all game?
Swats.
+1
Didn’t you want to scream at the Nuggets through the TV? “Run! Cut! Curl! Do ANYTHING! SOMEBODY FUCKING MOVE!!”
No team has ever advanced in the playoffs by running the Stonehenge offense. Watching the game film should help them understand, as Utah was putting on a clinic in off-ball movement, once again.
by Bouncy Phillips on Apr 26, 2010 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions
I didn't want to scream
I did scream. Think I burst some blood vessels in one of my eyes. Watching Utah cut to the basket all night long while we ran the ‘Stonehenge’ offense was maddening. That’s funny by the way, the ‘stonehenge’ offense. Thanks for the laugh. But seriously, do we watch tape? Do we run any plays? Why is it that Boozer can back down a much bigger Nene, but not the other way around? Maddening.
by Artimus Mangilord on Apr 26, 2010 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions
"but it’s very difficult for a player to be both a team’s best scorer and best defender"
Dwight Howard, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant (in previous years), and Gerald Wallace beg to differ. So do most of the true superstars of previous decades.
I agree with the turnovers....but one thing you cant critisize Melo for is free throws
The implication of that is he changed his game. Which he hasn’t. Things are being called differently and that has contributed mightily. Melo got to the line quite a bit in game 2….and I didn’t see him play one bit differently. Come on Andrew….you can’t have it both ways. Say it’s a poorly officiated game, and then blame Melo for not getting to the line.
As for Defense….I agree….as well as the turnovers. He needs to clean those up and NOW
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"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
If the Nuggets win the next three games we are all going to look like fools btw
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"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
Why do you say that?
Cause we’re chewing our team out?
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because there are people in other threads already advocating we trade Melo
"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2
"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
+ 1/2
I agree on a lot of this. There seems to be a general belief that Melo has changed his game since the all-star break so that he’s not getting to the line anymore. Am i the only one that disagrees with that? His game hasn’t changed at all. The way his game is being officiated has changed plenty. Seriously these offensive calls are absurd and Bron Bron and Kobe would never have received those. It’s utter bullshit.
I also tend to agree that the offense needs to move more. Melo is a willing passer but if people are standing like statues then…?
Finally, why shouldn’t Melo have the ball in his hands as much as he does? I would even argue that he should have it more. There were two instances last night where Melo was shooting absolute fire, had hit like 3 or 4 in a row and nobody gave him the ball for like 2 or 3 possessions. Why does that make sense to the team?
+10000000000000
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"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
+100000
When they say melo takes to many shots that garbage cuz he shot over 50 percent while the rest of the team is hovering in the low 30’s(Including kmart who should have a field goal percentage of 100% cuz all he should do is dunk). HE took 25 shots but around 6 or 7 of those were on offensive rebounds and putbacks. thats 18 shots in the offense so how can any1 say he shoots the ball too much
by Birdman and Jay arah on Apr 26, 2010 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions
yes, yes yes.
I agree with you. Game 3 where melo gets his 5 foul (an offensive foul) he goes to the bench. The very next utah possession, Millsap does the same thing to birdman…no foul. Then last game that blatant ass boozer hook on Nene where he went in for that monster dunk. Ty Lawson is not getting any calls. He gets hit when he’s running full speed and nothing. You cant impede a player’s progress! Deron Williams runs over and into AAA, CB and ty and gets to the line on the regular! And how about the horrible flop that Deron Williams took when Melo turned around at the free throw line and BARELY touch Deron and he just fell to the ground. When the show the replays you can clearly see wes mathews falling before he even gets touched. Melo takes it harder to the rack and gets more contact than anybody. He should have about 10 freethrows EVERY game. (sorry for the rant. I’ve been missing out the game threads so idk how much this has been talked about)
by GottaLoveMelo on Apr 27, 2010 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions
Even if he did all these things
hes still only 1 player. He could have the best game in the world but it would all mean nothing if he doesnt get any help. If he passes the ball more but his team mates dont make shots, its like it never happened. Sure melo could play better defense, but so could the whole team. We would still lose if the man hes covering doesnt score at all, but the other 4 players on the court have their way with the rest of our team. Im sure melo wouldnt have had so many TOs if he didnt have to do so much. And a lot of them come from shaky fouls. On the whole lebron and dwade thing, they are playing against way inferior teams. And KD is not a superstar. Theres no way his team would be this far if it wasnt for all the help he has. I think Melo has already proven his level of play. Its his team that has to step up and help him like he said. He also said they needed to play better as a unit. He didnt just start throwing out names like AD did
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
Melo was the only one who seemed to care
The rest are just counting the days till the offseason.
I'm with you Andrew 100%
It has been the same thing all season long. Melo tries to take over and the team takes a big smelly shit on his chest. Melo taking over games doesn’t work unless he puts up 40+ on efficient shooting. The team doesn’t respect him enough to rally around his hustle as we saw in game 4. Granted, this is kind of ill timed because Melo made the rest of his team look like a bunch of bums in game 4. He seemed to be the only guy who gave a shit. However, if you watch every game all season long as I do you realize that Melo “taking over” on offense usually comes at the detriment to the team. I’m with you 100 percent. You can place a large chunk of this series’ losses squarly on Meelo’s shoulders.
Really?
What about Birdman? What about Nene? I tell ya, if these two guys play a little bit better defense and score a little bit better, the series won’t be like this.
There’s only so much Melo can do, whether you like it or not. For all his weaknesses, his teammates should have his back.
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What more can he do?
We want him to defend, but he’s the only guy actually scoring out there. They need everybody to step up and help him out, but I don’t belive that’s going to happen.
Chauncey’s worn down
K-Mart and Andersen suck because they’re hurt
Nene and J.R. are no shows
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Exactly
I agree that part of it is Melo, but it is unfair to blame him before his teammates.
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+1
When your offense is designed to create one-on-one isolations, you end up playing a lot of 1-2 and 1-3 and 1-4. . .
No movement on offense is more of the problem than anything else.
Earlier in the year this weakness was hidden by stronger defense that triggers easy transition buckets, but when K-Mart went down, that started to disappear. Also Utah, efficient offense is a horrible match-up for Denver . . wheen Utah made turnovers earlier in the year, Nugs did well against them but they seem to have solved that problem.
How can you fault Melo for not getting to the free throw line?
This isn’t entirely up to him. If he doesn’t get the calls, there’s not much he can do about it. I don’t know what more the guy is supposed to do. Dwayne Wade can score 50, but that doesn’t mean the team is going to win the game.
I think George Karl is far more sick than anyone realizes. And I think the team knows.
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by SDcat09 on Apr 26, 2010 9:52 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
btw
whatever happened to JR pick n roll to nene, kmart and bird?
our offense basically consist of melo high post.
cb1 iso.
ty driving to the lane.
Did you like how JR went into iso-superstar mode last night at the end?
by Artimus Mangilord on Apr 26, 2010 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions
that pissed me the hell off!
we cut the lead to like 7 or 8 and Melo’s hands were on fuckin fire! Then he doesnt touch the ball for a few minutes and I remember on 2 possesions in particular when the lead could have been cut to 5 or 6 JR does some triple spin floating bullshit missing layup and utah comes down and scores. When Melo was as hot as he was nearing the end of the game, you HAVE to get him the ball! He didnt get a fair chance to be a superstar.
by GottaLoveMelo on Apr 27, 2010 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions
And now JR's opining on selfish play via Twitter
I hope that’s a self-epiphany, JR.
by Artimus Mangilord on Apr 27, 2010 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions
and by the way
regarding the offensive fouls. REGARDLESS of whether they are good calls or not, it should clearly be established by now that such contact will draw a foul. So adjust your game Melo! Where is the one dribble step back J that he loves? Or the one dribble spin move off the pivot that he schooled Bron with.
After the first two games, it should have been evident that the refs weren’t going to let him do what he does, regardless of if it is a foul or not.
Part of being a player is adjusting to and playing the style the ref is calling. It has been horrible, sure, but it’s been consistently horrible. Every one of Melo’s charges, after a while, we all knew were going to be called charges. Was anyone here honestly surprised when Melo was called for his 9th charge of the series? No! I thought to myself “when are you going to learn Melo”.
We can sit here and bitch about the refs all we want. Players have to change.
And yet he still scored 39 and grabbed 11 boards despite being in foul trouble
Imagine no Melo last night?
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What pisses me off is that while Melo gets called for a charge
even though the opponent doesn’t have his feet set, LeBron and Boozer use their shoulders to PUSH guys out of the way and they get FREE THROWS! Hell, even DWill gets to the line more often and with WAY less contact. Something isn’t right.
But you can’t blame Melo for these losses. Sure, he dribbled the ball off his foot a few times in crunch time, but did anyone else notice that the bigs were still on the other side of the court? Nene is a pussy who doesn’t want to be effective in games, KMart and Bird are hurting too badly to play, and Petro doesn’t have enough support from his coaching staff. And Joey can play, but obviously everyone else is playing so well that Joey has to sit on the bench……
by NuggBuckets on Apr 26, 2010 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions
Carmelo is pickig up fouls like crazy because the Jazz are flopping
The flop by D-Will in the first half pissed me off so much, I thought I was going to throw my T.V out of my window. Melo didn’t even touch him.
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it pisses me off more
that d will has a smirk everytime he draws a charge, like he knew he baited the refs into that call.
hes legit tho. his skills are through the roof and its crazy to watch him play. unfortunately, hes torchin the nuggs! blah
by 808inDenver on Apr 26, 2010 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm a Dwill fan
but that one was floppy. There was a little contact, but Williams was diagonal to Anthony, not quite squared up. But he timed it perfectly and sold it easily, as the refs seem to be very sensitive to Anthony running through defenders. It was another tough call against the Nuggets.
BUT, instead of overcoming hurdles, Carmelo and his teammates always let small negative plays snowball into downward spirals. That habit must stop.
by Bouncy Phillips on Apr 26, 2010 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
downward spirals
You’re totally right about this. My theory about this is that it has to do with the Nuggets being such an emotional team. It worked in their favor during the first two rounds of last year’s playoffs. They got a head of steam going and there was just no stopping them. But yes, right now, they are totally demoralized, and it’s sad to watch.
by ParkHillNative on Apr 26, 2010 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
Jazz fan here
even I admit that was a bad call. I think it was a make up call from a few seconds earlier where melo and Fes(?) collided and it looked like melo throw an elbow. Refs could have let that one go too, but anyway, I think that is why they called the charge when Dwill flopped.
+1
the flopping makes it worse because the refs dont even take that in to consideration. Everytime they flop and get the foul they just get up smilling bcuz they know what they are doing. It really sucks. I think players should be givin techs for flopping, fines or something man
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
he tried that pivot in crunch time
dwill flopped n got the call
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Drew, I have to say
We all know how talented the passers are on the Nuggets. Chauncey, Ty, Melo and even Nene are all capable of getting 5+ assists per game. When they cannot muster even 15, that speaks to a team that isn’t trying to get open looks or move the ball.
Again, it’s hard to get assists when everyone waits for someone else to get things moving. If Melo is doubled, EVERYONE must move. Rub off screens, roll to the paint, anything. It’s incredibly frustrating to hear everyone harp on Melo when Kenyon and Bird are jacking up 20ft contested jumpshots.
And we wonder why Melo tries to take the offense into his own hands?
Swats.
Yeah the KMart 15-20 footers are just incredibly annoying
I can’t recall one that he’s made this series, and yet he still takes like four every game. Before his injury he could knock those down, but I guess rust has really hurt that part of his game.
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by Uh on Apr 26, 2010 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions
haha
I think I’m the only one who doesnt mind Kmart taking that shot. If he’s open he can take a couple a quarter in my book. But bird…come on bird…the shot that he took was contested too! Like he was fuckin Melo or something.
by GottaLoveMelo on Apr 27, 2010 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions
+1
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Apr 26, 2010 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions
I was watching the game with my dad last night
and he kept saying “why is Melo the only one playing like he cares?” and that says alot about this team at the end of the season. The Nuggets lose leads big time when Bird is on the court. I’ve been saying for a couple months that Birds’ injuries are hurting the second unit and now it’s hurting the team. I’d rather the team play Petro than bring in an ineffective Chris Andersen.
AD also needs to bring in Graham to spell Melo. Why he doesn’t is beyond me.
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The Nuggets are a bunch of zombies
Carmelo gets the ball and everybody watches him. Pathetic.
Frenchie needs to play over Andersen. I’m tired of watching a good man play like garbage. It’s killing me, the team, the fans and most importantly, himself.
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Agreed. I know that people love Bird....but fans are more willing to be critical of Melo
than Andersen for some reason. It’s no coincidence that Andersens +/- is AWFUL this series. Hes just a body right now…nothing more.
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i dislike bird
but even i feel sorry for him. hes losing fans everytime he steps on the court. shelve him for the rest of the season. PRP his knees next week. and enroll himself in his so called “camp” that teaches fundamentals. bc for our sake, we’re stuck with him for the next 3 (4?) seasons.
by 808inDenver on Apr 26, 2010 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, why is that
Love him to death but he sucks now.
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Utah is an aweful match-up for Bird
They are strong inside and push him around and Millsap / Boozer are crafty and get him in the air. . . all of his benefits are nullfied by the matchups. He is much better against Dirk or LMA than Utah.
yup
This problem requires that the current coaching staff make an adjustment. Which does not seem to be Mr. Dantley’s specialty.
by ParkHillNative on Apr 26, 2010 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
He played so much better against them during the season
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It's all moot now...
Series over.
I don’t think a starting line up of AC, JR, Graham, Allen and Petro will make much of a difference.
Let’s get healthy in the offseason, hopefully address some needs and get ready for a big push next season.
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Series isn't over
I believe the Nuggets will win games 5 and 7 at home. I don’t think the Jazz can come in here and win another road game. The key game is game 6. The Nuggets need to find a way to win that game in SLC. The momentum from a game 5 win should carry the Nuggets in game 6 and bring them back home for a huge game 7.
I think it is time for Melo and the Nuggets to win an elimination game. The last time this franchise won an elimination game was against the Jazz. Time for history to repeat itself.
As much as I wish this were true
The problem is Games 5 and 7 are not just givens. They lost game 2, didn’t they? I mean sure, the refs sucked, but who knows if they suck again in Game 5/7?
Nothing is a given. I hope the Nuggets players know that. They need to be focusing on Game 5. Game 5 game 5 game 5. After that, if they pull it off, then you focus on game 6. And so forth.
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by Uh on Apr 26, 2010 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions
why are we starting to turn on our star player?
i’m not saying he’s absolved of all blame, but he is the last player (or member of this organization for that matter) i am going to point my finger at for all of this. my biggest question is where have all of his “great” teammates gone? outside of ty lawson, AAA (who is struggling with his shot unfortunately) and kenyon martin for sporadic periods, i have yet to see any other nugget play like they want it. billups seems intent to fill up his stat sheet rather than play like the floor general we’ve been used to. nene whines about not getting any touches and then proceeds to give up the ball when he actually gets it or attempts to lay it in rather than just going up strong. JR has done nothing of note outside of the 4th quarter of game 1. the bird issue has been beat to death. petro doesn’t even get a sniff of PT despite playing solidly in kmart’s absence.
instead of asking what more can we get from melo, ask what more can we get from the other guys on this team. last time i checked, wade, durant and lebron all had supporting casts who, you know, actually supported them. maybe melo would be more than willing to share the ball like you guys are asking of him if his teammates could actually do something with it.
if there is one thing i will agree on, it’s the defense. it’s unacceptable having guys like cj miles and wes matthews look competent on offense. but i will also say that the interior and transition D both need to make an appearance as well, and that the trend of weak fouls leading to and1 opportunities needs to stop.
that’s just my 2 cents.
dirk nowitzki happens to be in the same predicament as melo by the way
and yet people are dumbfounded when he gets the blame for the situation. what’s with the double standard?
Heh
There’s a lot of similarities between our (Denver, Dallas) two situations right now. Both teams have serious underachievers surrounding one guy giving great effort and trying to lift the team. Both teams are down 3-1 to a well-coached team that is truly greater than the sum of its parts. Both have old point guards.
I’ve noticed that the media paints Dirk as a superstar frustrated by bad teammates. That he deserves a championship and the other guys are just letting him down. But I really don’t see how his situation is different from Melo’s. Dirk plays bad defense at times. Dirk doesn’t rack up tons of assists. Maybe track record is the only difference.
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by Uh on Apr 26, 2010 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Dirk is a much worse defender than Melo
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by airforcefoo on Apr 26, 2010 10:55 PM MDT up reply actions
While we're here...can we get an update to the Stiff List?
- nominee for me is the bench. Complete no-shows.
- is cancer, without which the Nuggets might have won game 2 and thus made a series of this.
- is the Nuggets’ F.O. for not making a move on a big before the trade deadline. How obvious does that look now?
- is AD for not getting more run with Ty Lawson.
- is the offseason, because 6 months is a painfully long time to wait.
Swats.
no, I disagree
Let’s have a Stiff list where everything is tied at #1, because all that stuff sucks pretty equally.
by ParkHillNative on Apr 26, 2010 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
well, wait
The cancer sucks the worst. Everything else can be tied for #2.
by ParkHillNative on Apr 26, 2010 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
From the DP:
Nuggets guard J.R. Smith sure was good in Game 1’s fourth quarter — he hit four 3s in the win — but that has been about it in this series. He has shot a combined 15-for-44 overall, and Sunday he just looked out of it, lacking spunk on both ends of the court. On a key fourth-quarter possession with Denver down just seven points, he didn’t even look to pass and missed a selfish shot.
“I’m frustrated at the level of play. The energy and intensity is not there at times,” Anthony said. “We start out the game good, then we’re down 10 points. Carlos Boozer is down there, pushing his big men away. (Jazz post Kyrylo) Fesenko. Fesenko? Don’t get me wrong, he’s playing extremely well and with a lot of confidence. But Fesenko?”
JR 15 for 44? Yeesh, I didn’t even think it was that bad. Melo hits the nail on the head.
Swats.
Melo has been 100% accurate in his post game comments
weather people want to admit it or not. The “supporting cast” has been absolutely abhorrent. I think chief culprits are Nene (no excuses for disappearing against FRESENKO), Bird (come on…there’s a reason the Nuggets lose leads when he’s on the floor now) and JR (stated in the above quote)
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it's spelled "whether"
I just thursty’d you. Otherwise I agree completely.
sorry bro but I had to do it.
and now by obligation I have to ask… How does it taste?
you cannot coach horizontal
the one play to sum up melo’s season is the game against ok city where melo knocked himself out. the way i always measured mike jordan’s greatness during his prime was he would do at least one thing that i never seen done on a basketball court each game. melo lowering his head and trying to dribble through a triple team and knocking himself out was a new one on me. that move should go into the stupid and selfish hall of fame. the only way he could inspire himself was to embarrass himself to the max. mike jordan was a 9 time 1st team all nba defensive honoree. carlos boozer and elton brand are career 20 point and 10 rebound players. boozer had 31 points, 13 rebounds, 5 assists and 3 turnovers. melo had 1 assist and 9 turnovers playing 44+ minutes compared to boozers 38 minutes. melo is not coachable, never hustles and is a major defensive liability.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
and one more thing
when a player tries dribbling through a triple team and knocks himself out he is in no position to rip anybody else.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
If I recall correctly
Melo came back from that and pretty much single handedly won the OKC game for us. And Melo wasn’t trying to dribble through a triple team….it was just Durant guarding him.
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Don't forget CB
Of course with the way CB’s playing right now it’s pretty easy to forget he was actually awesome all the way up til a few months ago
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by Uh on Apr 26, 2010 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions
WOW
not coachable, never hustles and is a major liability
are u speaking of the same guy that defended his sub coach AD after he threw him under the bus last night? or are u reffering 2 the guy that seemed to be the only person that wanted to win that game last night and was hustling his ass off. Or the guy that damn near brung us back at the end but 2 no avail because he couldnt get any help from his TEAM
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
o
and you 4got to mention his 39 points (12 n the 4rth) 11 rebounds and 2 or 4 steals (i dnt remember) to go along with his 1 assist and 9 TOs
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
Give it a rest already
Did Melo stiff you on a tip or something? Steal your girlfriend? Look at you cross-eyed in a past life? ‘Cus all season long, no matter how he actually plays, you’re on here ripping him up one side and down the other. No one says you have to like the guy, but the ad nauseum attacks just make you look petty and uninformed. Never hustles? HE WAS THE ONLY NUGGET HUSTLING LAST NIGHT.
And as far as getting KO’d in the OKC game, it’s been well-documented Melo suffers from migraines, and it doesn’t take much to set those off. I know that was my first thought when he slammed into Durant, and having known people with migraines, its serious business. Regardless, he came back, and was instrumental in helping us win that game. How bout giving the guy the benefit of the doubt?
The team loses, not one player
Having said that, Melo is not in the league of Wade, Lebron or Kobe. He is a dominant scorer and that is about it. He doesn’t defend well, rebound well or pass well. In short, he is Paul Pierce, without the three ball…but with a better ability to get to the hole.
You can build a team around Melo, but he’s not going to win a championship without some very good complimentary players to make up for his short comings. He needs a good passing PG, a couple of guys that defend hard and a very good center or PFs. The Nuggets almost had it this year but their lack of depth inside killed them. Ultimately, they could have used another very good big to step in and play when K-Mart and Bird went down. Losing Coach Karl also killed them because AD mishandled the rotations, allowed players to wear down and allowed the dumb to come out.
Could be worse…we could be the Mavs…who made all the “right” moves and will still get booted by teh Spurs…or so it seems. If anyone needs any more evidence as to the value of a good coach, all you need to do is look at the Spurs and Jazz.
by Pusherman on Apr 26, 2010 10:46 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
I feel the same way about all of that, and was trying to think of how to put it into words.
I also think of Melo as being that next tier, right under the very very best players. He’s better than Pierce or Dirk, but not as good as LeBron. I don’t think he’ll ever be that complete, all-around player that LeBron is.
by ParkHillNative on Apr 26, 2010 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Agree completely. Very well said.
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by Nate Timmons on Apr 26, 2010 11:25 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
UMMM
this sounds like a description of a cavs and laker team and the heat when they won with shaq so i dont under stand your point
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
Does he...
defend well…no, he will never be a good defensive player (Kobe, Bron, Wade…yes)
rebound well (especially for his size)….eh, ok (Kobe, Bron, Wade…yes)
pass well …he can, but doesn’t (Kobe, Bron, Wade…yes)
lead… he tries, just can’t back words, think Patrick Ewing (Bron, Kobe, Wade…yes)
handle the call well….eh (Bron, Kobe, Wade…yes)
get teammates involved…eh to no (Bron and Wade…yes. Kobe, well he’s Kobe)
….could go on.
Point is, no player can win it all be themselves…this is true, but he simply is not in that very elite league. Keep in mind, I am a huge ’Cuse fan and will always love Melo for bringing to championship to ’Cuse….but I can clearly see his limitations.
Actualy
Melo can lock down on defense, im not saying hes the best but i wont say he cant do it
He does rebound well, incase u missed it he had 11 last night
How can u say Melo doesnt pass
I recall him backing his words up by hustling his ass off last night, but his team was no help
Is 39 points not “handeling the call?”
He cant get his team involved if they dont show up
All those “superstars” u mentioned have great players around them, sum were even the best on previous teams
Dwade doesnt have it now but he did when he won a ring, and its not like boston wont advance. and he didnt win that game by himself, he just got all the credit because, hes dwade
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
not in their league?
so which one of the 3 has won a championship without their team getting another all star to go along with them? James? he hasnt won one yet (though they look good so far) but his management has brought in jamison and others who work well with james. Wade? he won a ring with shaq.. now what has he done? Kobe? Won with shaq.. then couldnt win a championship.. then they got gasol and others and suprise they are winning again. So who does Melo have? Chauncy? chauncy fresh last year was almost enough to get him to the finals. Kenyon? he is a good defender, and rebounder, but his scoring is suspect and he is oft injured (like this year) Nene? we go a great WNBA player (maybe not, not sure if he is tough enough for that) JR? i wont even dignify that with a response. So I think it is a matter of perception and players as to ranking of these superstars.
by akdenver on Apr 26, 2010 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Others need to get involved early
I knew we were in trouble when we grabbed a healthy lead in the fourth quarter, but the only people that had scored were Melo and Chauncey. ‘Melo can easily get going anytime, for the most part, it is the other guys that need the confidence and it seems like Afflalo and Lawson are the only guys that get it and try to be aggressive in making shots easier for themselves. These guys weren’t even on board last year and yet they look the part in their determination to play, the results don’t necessarily follow. I will call out Bird, Nene, K Mart, AC, and even Chauncey for playing like absolute Stiffs . . . MELO even needs to figure it out . . . I don’t know how many more times I can stand to see him dribble the ball of his leg out of bounds during a crucial possession. I don’t know what message the Nugs need to understand the value of each possesion because they have been treating them like game tokens at unlimited play day at the arcade.
Yeah
Games 3 and 4 started off as the Chauncey/Melo shows respectively. If they would try and work in Nene and AA early, it could make a huge difference. Get their confidence levels up early and maybe it lasts through the game.
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by Uh on Apr 26, 2010 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions
they did try to work it into nene in the early part of game 4
nene did draw a lot of fouls doing so, but he also just kept kicking it out to the perimeter in that same non-aggressive nene-style we’ve become accustomed to. it’s pretty much a miracle if we ever see nene either draw a 3-point opportunity or just flat out cram the ball in the guy’s face. the fesenko dunk was pretty much the only really aggressive play i saw from nene.
i do think we need to get AA going early. the spurs did it with george hill and it worked wonders for them. those corner 3s were huge when this team was clicking, and we need them more than ever right now.
i know this sounds retarded
but melo shouldnt attempt a shot in the 1st qtr. everytime melo starts the game HOT, the rest of the team slowly stops all movement. they jsut sit back and watch the melo show. force the rest of the team to STEP UP!
and i just want to add hastings’ preachin. is anyone gonna step up!?
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lol i never thought of this
it kinda sounds good but i just hope we wouldnt be down by 40 by the start of the 2nd lol
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
same thing said about mike jordan
get your teammates involved in the game first. this forces the opponenet to defend the other players. it made things easy for jordan because he could not be double or triple teamed. good enough for an mvp, scoring champion, defensive player of the year and 6 time nba champion should be good enough for melo.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
yea
its kinda what lebron does also, thats why hes able to get so many assist. their system is set up where a lot of times its like hes running the point
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
Here's another angle at all of this:
I think people are seeing how big of an impact George Karl has on this team.
I don’t necessarilly agree with some of his X’s and O’s, or how he sets a rotation and leaves it regardless of how people are playing . . . but I think he really knew how different players on this team wlick and understands what buttons to push. How much more did he get out of Nene? Bird? JR, now that’s another story . . . I don’t know if anyone can get through to him.
Melo's D is not the problem in this series
While I agree that Melo needs to up his intensity and focus on D, his defense is not the problem in this series.
Series points average:
Miles = 16.25
Williams = 26.75
Boozer = 22
Milsap = 16.75
I know his defense is somewhat soft, but I don’t think a starting SF getting just over 16 a game has been the problem for the Nuggets. A backup C that is not 6’8" averaging almost 17 a game I see as a major problem.
If Nene is not carrying his weight offensively then he needs to hold down Milsap on defense. And for goodness sakes can anybody on this team defend the pick and roll effectively? Off the ball guys might not have to leave their guy wide open to help or rotate if DWill, Boozer or Milsap weren’t barreling into the paint again..
THis team's pick and role D is a chronic problem. So painful to watch.
Either they switch immediately and form mis-matches, or they don’t rotate properly.
I would love to see the big show and puch the guard away from the basket and then recover to his man . . . just once.
by blooming rock on Apr 26, 2010 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
Also, what's the deal with the way Dantley is playing Ty?
He’s the quick slasher the Nugs need to get things moving on offense. He helped lead the comeback in the first half of the fourth and then Dantley took him out (for JR) and didn’t see him again until Billups fouled out.
I just don’t think Dantley has a good feel for the flow of the game as a coach. Not many star players con make it as coaches (see: Isiah Thomas, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird). It’s hard for them to know how to motivate players because they didn’t need anyone to tell them what/how/when to do something.
I agree
Not only that but since nobody else was trying for a rebound, Lawson saw it is a defect and tried to over-compensate by hanging out under the rim when someone else should have been grabbing the rebound and throwing down court to Lawson would could beat anyone in a race.
This one is for AD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_break
The Denver Nuggets problem is more than just Melo.
yea, Melo could of control the ball more but keep in mind, he doesnt have Kobe, Lebron, Dwade, Kevin Durant ball handling skills. Someone have to set him up for him to be effective. Even Nuggets would make a come back and beat the Jazz, they will loose on the second round. If anything Melo must starting to be vocal so the front office can get him help. Lets be honest, this the western conf, that team aint go enough to scare anyone. You have 4 big man, neither one can score unless is dunk or can be consistent on nightly basis. Denver needs another playmaker to complement Melo game and he is not JR nor Affalo. Basically this summer unload that whole useless bench, probably keep Ty Lawson, package JR and Kmart then go after couple cheap free agent. Devan George-Stackhouse- Al Harrington- David Lee- Brad Miller then you will need either a center to move Nene to PF or may be Lee and Nene can work well too. The true problem is Melo have no help what so ever and K-mart just enjoying his 15 Million and cant score nor guard anyone, plus cant stay healthy.
Team effort
I think you are putting too much into the whole superstar thing. I think Melo is a superstar but it shouldn’t matter, there are five people in play. I recall LeBron playing up to super super-star levels in seasons past and Cleveland not making the finals. In the off season LeBron demanded of his team to surround him with good players. Melo should make some demands as well. He should tell the Kroenke organization to make some trades or count on him to move on when the time comes.
Melo is not the only superstar on the Nuggets. What about Mr. Big Shot Chauncey Billups, I thought he was superstar. A veteran with an NBA ring. You sure let him off easy on this one. He’s played too many games so it’s ok for him to be tired? He’s so tired that every time he gets the ball in his hands he shoots it. Poorly I might add. With a guard I expect some assists but Chauncey had 4, and not because he was busy running up 30+ either.
AD is too easy to pick on. I watched the Spurs vs Mavs game last night. When one of the Spurs got floored Pop was off the bench yelling his head off. I recall Melo getting floored last night Dantly sat on the bench mumbling something under his breath. Although I will agree with him that the players should know how to play and he doesn’t have anything to do with them finding openings to exploit.
Chris Anderson aka Turdman aka I have a contract so now I can suck is a waste of space. People cheer for him way more than he deserves. Last season when he came back to Denver, nobody gave a shit about him and my wife and I were always screaming our heads off for him. His hard play really turned into popularity but now it is undeserving. This season has been a stinker for him.
Nene – After 7 years he hasn’t figured out laying on the floor after a foul is no substitute for running back to the other end of the court to play defense.
JR – I can’t wait til we get rid of him. He is living proof that if you chuck up enough 3 pointers in a game you may get to 30 pts and then he wants to tweet that Melo is a selfish player! He has no team solidarity on or off the court. When he took his shoes off during game 3 I immediately associated him with Rodman.
Last but not least, for most of the last 20 games, you almost never see anyone in the paint trying to get offensive rebounds. It was the same thing over and over, Melo with the ball, nobody else within layup range of the basket, Melo shoots, nobody from Denver within 20 feet of a rebound.
If the Nuggets had won last night it would be because the rest of the team remembered how to play or at least if one other person lived up to their average PPG. If we had won last night, everyone would be talking about how great Melo is.
certainly good points about Billups
He’s been terrible. But the thing is, the team seems to rise & fall according to how Billups plays, not according to how Melo plays. The Nuggets’ best stretch this year was during January and a good part of February. That’s when Chauncey was on fire. His play dropped off after that, and suddenly the Nuggets cooled off too.
So it’s strange with Melo — he’s the best player on the team, but the argument gets made here that he’s still not the team’s MVP. There’s no argument who the Lakers’ or Cavs’ or Heat’s MVP is.
by ParkHillNative on Apr 26, 2010 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
i agree a 100%
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
I don't think that comparison
to Wade/Lebron is fair because they’ve openly criticized teammates after big games plenty of times. Lebron even going as far as calling his team his “supporting cast” a la Jordan. Wade has persisted that he needs help all year and Lebron was still passionate about help until they surrounded him with the best 3-pt shooting team in the league and a formidable frontcourt to bolster those stats you speak of. 39 and 11 is enough on any given night. Wade had 6 tos last night and Lebron had crucial tos in their loss the other night. Sometimes the cards just don’t fall right on a great night. I just don’t think its fair to criticize him criticizing his teammates if you can’t point out a particular player who was playing better than he and indeed he was playing selfish because 1 ast tells two stories. He wasn’t passing to open men and when he was passing they weren’t making it.
very, very true.
didnt even think of that argument.
by GottaLoveMelo on Apr 27, 2010 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
This is a fact....Melo's post game comments were 100% accurate
This team is letting HIM down. By Letting Melo down they are letting US down. I’m sick of this double standard that’s applied to Melo. When you have Birdman who has teams go on 22-3 runs when he’s on the court….how doesnt box out….who’s so injured he can’t box out or even leap getting less criticism than the guy who’s actually giving effort this is a strange world.
Melo needs to HOUND this front office in the off season to get some help out there. The lack of big man help is sickening and is directly because the FO did NOTHING this offseason and at the trading deadline.
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Going to have to disagree with most of this
A superstar hits three pointers with defenders draped over him to give his team any chance at a comeback. Check, Melo. A superstar grabs 11 rebounds because his front line can’t grow a pair of balls. Check, Melo.
The fact is, he’s going up against another superstar in Deron Williams. With all due respect to Steve Nash and Chris Paul, this guy has it all. He’s the most talented player I’ve everseen on the Jazz (and yes I grew up in the Malone/Stockton era).
It’s not Melo’s fault that Chauncey Billups is getting absolutely abused by Williams. It’s not Melo’s fault that instead of fighting through picks, our guards are switching Nene onto one of the quickest players in the league. It’s retarded.
Bad article. Honestly, Melo needs to improve defense. He’s not on Lebron or Kobe’s level yet.
But saying Durant willed himself to victory while Melo didn’t is a little unfair. Durant had a functional point guard and Jeff Green and James Harden also had solid games. Did anyone do jack shit for Denver? Even D-Wade got decent contributions from Richardson, Beasley, and Haslem, not to mention stellar defense.
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triple teaming
When you are triple-teamed, it is hard to pass the ball. Even harder to pass it when the rest of your team is near center court picking daisy’s.
+1
ya how are u gonna talk about durant like hes playing like superstar when he is playing his worst basketball of the season
by Birdman and Jay arah on Apr 26, 2010 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah if anything
That shows that it is a TEAM sport. Durant took 12 shots, but the Thunder still humiliated the defending champs.
Why?
Because the other guys actually SHOWED UP. Westbrook has arrived (I’m reminded of Biggie Smalls sayin “If you don’t know, now you know”), and Jeff Green and James Harden both had big plays.
AND THEY PLAY TEAM DEFENSE! Holding LA to 89 points is no easy feat.
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12 shots for Durant means he trusted his teammates to get the job done
Melo has yet to do that and if he doesn’t now the Nugs are done. Melo has to pass the ball, period.
so melo has to trust the players on this team that have been totally ineffective?
good fucking lord. you’re telling me that melo should pass the ball to a garbage billups who is even more guilty of being a ballhog and totally inefficient, a kmart who shouldn’t even be shooting 20-foot jumpers, a JR smith who has never met a shot he didn’t like and a chris andersen who has absolutely no business even shooting period? get fucking real. you’re just looking for any excuse to bash the guy.
put kevin durant on this team and he wouldn’t fare any better than melo. give me a fucking break.
by YaSrsly on Apr 26, 2010 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
U have the sacred cow disease that inflicts so many Nugs fans
What was melo’s scoring average last year? When were the Nugs the best they have ever been? Melo doesn’t pass the ball and tries to take over and the Nugs lose, period. Every guy on this team knows they can ball big time and they fucking hate it when Melo goes Meelo. No one supports him because they realize that they don’t win when Meelo takes over. Try looking at it another way and looking at some stats. It is 100% truth and fact.
sooo
disregard the fact that the team as a whole had 13 assist in game 4 and 12 in game 3? I could have swore it was the pgs job to rack up the assist. why not bash cb1 for having like 3 assist?
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
get the hell out of here with this sacred cow bs
watch some damn games. you’ll see melo makes an effort to pass the ball to his teammates. it’s a clichéd argument, but making shots sure would make those assist numbers a lot better. and who on this team can “ball” big time? a worn-down chauncey billups? a hobbled kenyon martin? an idiotic JR smith? get real. those guys should know their hierachy on the team if they are indeed bitching about melo’s touches.
you see wade defer to beasley in crunchtime? lebron defer to jamison or mo williams? kobe defer to gasol or odom? no. the ball is in their hands so they can make a play. how many times has a crunchtime play for billups EVER worked out? good lord.
and where do you get this “no one supports him” notion? no one (outside of JR) has called melo out for anything. 100% truth and fact? how about 100% bullshit and fabrication?
GTFO!
Durant took 12 shots in a blowout!!! Much, much different.
Peep his game log before that.
7/24
12/26
8/24
What a fuckin joke.
by GottaLoveMelo on Apr 27, 2010 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions
btw...
KD and Melo have the same amount of turnovers so far in the playoffs including an 8 TO game from KD
by GottaLoveMelo on Apr 27, 2010 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
The issue is not offense and it never will be
team is playing horseshit defense and that is why they will not win game 5 either.
Defense is the bigger issue
But the team couldn’t make easy baskets yesterday (save of course for melo)
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WE need to HACK A FESENKO at the end of games because that is by far our best way to stop them on D. I am 100% serious about this. 42% freethrow shooter, will be rattled in the pepsi center in the playoffs. having this kid brick 2 freethrows is way better than d-will carving up our d for a dunk.
by Birdman and Jay arah on Apr 26, 2010 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions
The problem is that stupid/incorrect fouls early on leave them with few opportunities to foul Fesenko late
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by Uh on Apr 26, 2010 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions
bring in petro or balkman
they can use up their 6 fouls
by Birdman and Jay arah on Apr 26, 2010 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions
When 39 and 11 isnt enough
Your teamates arent helping
Here are some tasty Series stats.
Overall + / – (the difference in team score while a player is on the floor)
__________All 4 games combined___vs._______3 Losses combined
Ty Lawson:_______ +20_________________________+4
Nene:___________+4 __________________________-5
Carmelo:_________+3_________________________ -14
Petro:____________0___________________________+3
Birdman:_________-9__________________________-23
JR:_____________-12__________________________-26
Afflalo:___________-18__________________________-10
Billups:__________-23__________________________-26
KMart:___________-31__________________________-40
Sorry about the messed up formatting but I think this shows a couple of things.
1. KMart isn’t himself, and shouldn’t be averaging 33 minutes a game.
2. Chauncey is getting creamed out there while playing 35 minutes a game while our best weapon (Lawson) is only averaging 19 minutes.
3. The problem isn’t Melo.
It’s important to note that +/- doesn’t take into account a players individual performances. So while KMart may be doing a great job defending his man (which he hasn’t been doing) he may still end up with negative numbers if Melo (or any other player on the floor) is letting his man get easy dunks. However, in this case the +/- seems pretty accurate.
In the 3 losses, the Nuggets have been outscored by 40 points while KMart is on the floor. In those same three losses, the Nuggets have outscored the Jazz by 4 when Lawson was on the floor.
Another stat to note. Afflalo was -8 in Game 1, but made adjustments on defending DWill and was -10 (combined) through three losses.
I’ll post some more gems in a minute.
by NuggBuckets on Apr 26, 2010 12:08 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
JR,Bird,Kmart, and Chauncey are the problem
NOT MELO!!
Gonna have to respectfully disagree on Nene
He has one of the better +- in this series. He is averaging his season average in points rebounds and shooting %. Although the missed free throws hurt, I admit. But he is giving us what he always gives us. Everyone else is playing MUCH worse.
maybe you're right
but i feel like he’s barely had an impact on ANY of the games, outside of getting bullied by assclown boozer, millsap or FESENKO. he did go to the line a number of times last game, but several of them could’ve easily have been and1 opportunities if he just went up strong with the ball for once. last night was also the first time he grabbed double-digit rebounds, but i guess that’s to be expected at this point out of him.
that being said, i want to see more of THIS from him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWWilCfcU7s
What do you expect
From two guys playing hurt
One worn down
And a child?
Nothing.
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More series stats to chew on:
Nene is shooting 63% through 4 games, but only attempted 4 shots in game 3 and 3 shots in game 4. He needs to be more aggressive, especially on the road. I will say though that he has averaged 9 free throws per game, so he’s doing something right.
Carmelo is shooting a blazing hot (considering the type of jumpers that he’s been forced to take) 51-97 or 53% for 138 points. To put that into perspective, JR has 47 points on 44 shots and KMart has 38 points on 35 shots.
JR is 10 for 10 from the charity stripe, Melo is an astounding 30 for 32 (94%), Chauncey is 19 of 22 (86%), while Nene is a piss-poor 21 of 36 (58%). Oh, and the referees’ golden child, DWill, is 41 for 51. Yes, he’s shot 19 more free throws than Melo.
Chauncey has 26 assists to 14 turnovers while Ty has 10 assists to 4 turnovers. If you expound that out to a PER 48 Chauncey would dish 9 assists and turn the ball over 5 times while Ty would offer up 6 assists with 3 turnovers. Basically, we need to pass the freaking ball. Oh, and Melo has 18 turnovers in this series, take care of the ball big guy.
KMart leads the team with 37 rebounds in 4 games, Melo and Nene have 28 a piece. You hear that Nene? You have the same number of rebounds as our SMALL FORWARD! On another note, JR outrebounds Melo and Nene on a PER 48 basis, 8.8 to 8.4 for Melo and 8.7 for Nene. Come’on Nene, now you’re being outrebounded by a shooting guard. Step the #@ up!
The problem stat I see is the 76 assists and 57 turnovers. That’s pathetic. 19 assists and 14 turnovers PER GAME?!? It’s even worse if you take out our 29 assists and 8 turnovers from game 1. In the three losses we had 47 assists and 49 turnovers. Anyone suprised that they didn’t win those games?
I want more hard fouls
If DWill is going to draw fouls on minimal contact for an And1, then at least get Graham in there for a few minutes to pound on guys like DWill and Boozer. Chop right across the forearms when they go for that layup.
If it’s been conceded that the Jazzz are going to get the calls, then at least they should EARN THE FOULS.
by Artimus Mangilord on Apr 26, 2010 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions
good stats
The only problem is that half of Melo’s turnovers are from offensive fouls. Some of them are, but a majority of them are not offensive fouls.
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by ColoradoAggie11 on Apr 26, 2010 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions
get more buses. lots of people to throw under the bus
I think next game, everytime melo gets the ball, he should immeadiately pass it back, and not take a single shot, let his teammates win the game. Oh wait that wouldnt work. I mean melo shoots poorly he is selfish, he shoots well he is selfish, he follows his shot and fights for the rebound cause no other nugget is there, he is selfish. He doesnt get assists, cause when he gets doubled, no one cuts, and he kicks it out to the perimeter, to these supposed great outside shooters, and they either dont shoot, or miss the shots, and he is selfish. Melo seems to be the only one fighting to win the game, you can see the frustration on his face, and he is selfish. So I ask what is melo supposed to do? I mean he had lebron numbers without the assists, but if no one is cutting or making shots, how does melo get assists? maybe he should take his shoes off and not play next game. because if he wasnt in there, then the team would get assists, and cut to the rim, and play defense, and rebound, and score. i am a huge melo fan, but even a non melo fan should be able to look at this team, and say wtf? Dwill gets 13 assists, our PG gets 4, but that isnt a issue? Besides maybe ty driving to the rim, no one else besides melo seems to be able to create opportunities for his teammates. Like i posted earlier, Melo is the same superstar that Lebron, Kobe, and Wade are, except for 2 things. One for some reason melo is treated like a superstar by the refs as the others are (nuf said, you dont believe this, i cant help you). Second those players have only won when surrounded by other great players. And right now we have none to help out melo. I love chauncy, but if you think this is the same chauncy as last year then please share whatever you are taking with the rest of us. Kmart? Well I have never thought that kmart was worth his 15 mil contract, but right now (and i know its at least partly injuries) hes not playing like a 7 mil contract. Nene? I think a poster said earlier the way the nuggets were playin interior D he would let his 2 year old daughter wander around in the paint, well my 2 year old daughter already is down there, her name is NENE. JR? seriously if your thinking he is he allstart support, well your probally also thinking that Darko was a good 2nd pick overall.
I love the nuggets. And I still hope they win this series. But if they do, someone else will have to decide they want to win and make plays besides melo, and if they do, then i guarntee melo will have more assists, and everyone will think him a superstar.
by akdenver on Apr 26, 2010 12:37 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
this was on point really
this whole post shows that no matter what Melo does, people will still question his game
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
rec'd
forget about the 39-11. also forget about 1/9 assist/TOs. All you had to do was watch the game to know melo was the only that gave a shit, and the only one that didn’t roll over when things went south. I’m trusting my two eyes on this one. calling out melo after last night of all nights is ridiculous (and here’s an extra FU to you, AD).
Next year, melo, not billups, is the unquestioned leader of this team. And I’m kind of excited about that.
by Rainbow skyline on Apr 26, 2010 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions
btw
this is not directed at you andrew. I know you’re not really dissing melo. but to anyone that is (AD!!!!), get a clue.
by Rainbow skyline on Apr 26, 2010 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions
great post...rec'd
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Melo's Defense?
The D of the entire team is pathetic.
I’ve reached the conclusion that Melo is our best player, but K-mart is our most valuable player because he is our sole defensive stopper. Unfortunately, the post-injury K-mart can’t do what he did through out much of the season. That and the well-documented Billups end-of-season fade have left Melo on an island.
A superstar might be able to will his team to win one game, but he can’t will them to win a series. If we used your criteria to brand a superstar, what would Kobe Bryant be after LA lost in the first round 4-games to 1 to Phoenix in 2007? (Yes, the rest of that LA team sucked, but it is much like the injury riddled Nuggets of today.)
I hope we can save face Wednesday. Then we’ll see what happens beyond that.
Just on another note bc I haven't given up hope yet
Why doesn’t AAA take a charge on DWill when D Will just lowers his shoulder. I swear DWill is predictable when he lowers his head in transition. Just stand in front of him ad flop like the Jazz do and force the refs to call it. They have been calling charges on us so I wouldn’t see why it wouldn’t work the other way.
Also our only chance at winnin is getting DWill into foul trouble so keep attacking him.
by JR15 on Apr 26, 2010 12:53 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Who am I kidding
AD has given up, he has no fight in him to inspire the troops. That attitude just percolates down the ranks. He just wants to go to Cabo and fix his Kidney stones, who can blame him.
If we get a surprise coaching visit by GK a la Brandon Roy in game 5 & 7 then I say we win it.
by JR15 on Apr 26, 2010 12:57 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
neither have I
why doesnt AAA do that? because he would be called for the foul. Dwill wouldnt be called for a charge, lol. The refs have so many charges to pass out a game, and they seem to like giving them to melo. Lets go nuggs
Watching Boozer back down a bigger Nene
I asked the same thing, why isn’t he taking a charge?
by Artimus Mangilord on Apr 26, 2010 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions
+1 on the hard fouls
If we’re going to get called for them, make them remember, make them think twice, make them earn it.
by Artimus Mangilord on Apr 26, 2010 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Spread them around too.
I like Joey Graham but if AD thinks he’s worthless, as he obviously feels about Petro, Allen and AC, they why not send them in for 30 second stints to hard foul someone and come back out. It’s not the greatest coaching strategy of all time but at least it IS a coaching strategy, unlike what we’ve seen so far. AD is riding the pine almost as much as Balkman. I wish he would stand up and yell something.
biggest pet peeve about this team
how many soft fouls did we hand out resulting in the jazz getting 3-point plays? i can clearly recall billups doing it TWICE before he finally got the memo and set matthews flying on his 6th foul, as well as JR doing it when he fouled fesenko which led to the fluke basket.
yeah
irritating. if youre gonna do that, just let them have the 2 points, dont give them the and-1. they need to earn it.
im tired of seeing this team joggin around with their palms up, complaining to refs like a bunch of sissys. man the fuck up.
i remember someone already calling out AAA for that
saying that he’s too noble to flop. And while that is respectable, it isn’t smart
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I hope d-will catches an elbow to the face before this series is over
give him an actual reason to dive backwards.
by Rainbow skyline on Apr 26, 2010 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions
here is something else to note
for those who say melos turns the ball over too much, and this is one thing that keeps him from being a superstar, through 4 games melo has 18 turnovers, Dwade has 18 turnovers, kobe 12, lebron 12. Fairly compareable, For those who might say but they all get assists and melo doesnt. Well someone has to want to cut or make a jumper for melo to get a assist, He cant make them do it. just something to marinate on.
The difference with Lebron is that the offense typically runs through him
So he’s racking up those assists only b/c if he’s not shooting, he’s hitting the cutter.
by Artimus Mangilord on Apr 26, 2010 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not taking anything away from LeBron
He’s a talented player no doubt but…if we jumped into the hot tub time machine and replaced Melo with LeBron for last night’s game, would the outcome be any different? I don’t think so.
by MMGraves on Apr 26, 2010 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
disagree
with stern and the refs in his pocket, lebron would’ve fouled out all those jazz floppers. those charges on melo? those would’ve been blocking fouls instead if it was lebron.
Yeah, but...
I don’t mean it that way. I’m just pointing out that “LeBron is the greatest of all time” yet, if he had to play with a bunch of stinkaroos like Melo does, they would have still lost.
i agree
i was just making a joke about the whole situation.
Dwade is working too hard on offense like Melo
The difference is Melo has a good team to back him up so there is no reason he doesn’t pass the ball. Dwade’s supporting cast is shit. Melo has made his supporting cast look like shit. Big difference.
Really pathetic that all the posters on this site all of a sudden think Melo doesn't have a great supporting cast
Give me a fucking break. Starting 5 is top 3 in the game. 1 ball hog superstar can make any team look like shit though I guess.
Melo was efficient shooting in game 1
He made practically all of his shots so the Nugs win. If he can do that again the Nugs will win. If he shoots 50 percent on 25+ shots the Nugs will lose every time.
Top 3? Really?
Cavs – Mo Williams, Anthony Parker, Lebron James, Antawn Jamison, Shaquille O’Neal
Magic – Jameer Nelson, Vince Carter, Micael Pietrus, Rashard Lewis, Dwight Howard
Celtics – Rajon Rondo, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Kendrick Perkins
Lakers – Derek Fisher, Kobe Bryant, Ron Artest, Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum
Mavericks – Jason Kidd, Caron Butler, Shawn Marion, Dirk Nowitzki, Brendan Haywood
And…I hate to say this, but they’re running like a well-oiled machine right now
Jazz – Deron Williams, Wesley Matthews, CJ Miles, Carlos Boozer, Kyrylo Fesenko
Compare all of those to this: Shell of Chauncey Billups, Arron Afflalo, Carmelo Anthony, Shell of Kenyon Martin, Nene. Even the OKC might have a better lineup than that.
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by Uh on Apr 26, 2010 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL
Look at those again buddy,
Cavs = Stud LePout, Semi-star Jamison, Old and decrepid Oneal
Magic = Overrated point guard, Over the Hill Carter, Micael average ball player Pietrus, Rashard soft as tissue Lewis, and the most dominant center in the league
Celtics: a point guard that can’t shoot but does some other things reall well and a bund of Over the Hill Hasbeens
Lakers = Better than Nugs
Mavericks = Better than Nugs
Jazz = Stud point guard, semi star power forward, and 3 guys you nor I have ever heard of
Nugs = Ultimate winner point guard, well below average shooting guard, stud top level small forward, premier defender/super athletic power forward, and monster boddied elite post moves center.
Melo has made his team look bad and you are delusional if you don’t think the names the Nugs have in their starting lineup aren’t close to the top of the league. All this bitching about the supporting cast is complete horseshit.
did u watch the game last night? im being 4real
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
Sure did
Melo looked like he was working hard and his teammates gave him a giant middle finger. They said if you are going to take all the glory shooting the basketball every time you touch it then fuck you. They are trying to teach him how to play team ball like last year all over again. Pretty disfunctional way of doing it I admit but they just can’t handle Meelo ball. It hasn’t worked all year, why would it start to work now?
LMAO
Is that wat they did in game 1 and he scored 42? when everyone showed up? i wonder how u “know” all this and how come it is happening now when winning is most important. wow
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
At this point I would say that Kmart is not a premier defender or especially super athletic
They tried feeding Nene during the game but he almost never uses his post moves to body past a slower and smaller boozer/fesenko
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by ColoradoAggie11 on Apr 26, 2010 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions
But your analysis all comes down to this series
That really isn’t justified in the context of the debate.
Heh
Your analysis of the Nugs starters surprises me.
First off, Chauncey may be an ultimate winner, but as of right now he sucks. No way around it. I still think he has the chance to make an impact this series, but even so I’d be surprised. He just doesn’t have it right now.
Second, Arron Afflalo is NOT a well below average shooting guard. I am really, really surprised that you said this. AAA happens to be an excellent defender who can get open and knock down jumpers and 3’s with consistency. He doesn’t try to do too much, he hustles…I’m wondering what could lead you to think he is well below average besides the fact he doesn’t have name value.
Third, Kenyon was a premier defender. Was. Before the injury. Right now he is getting dominated by Boozer/Millsap because he’s too tentative on D. Right now, he is not a premier defender. Not close.
Fourth, Nene might be a specimen of a center, but he’s been inconsistent this series and really all down the stretch. And when you’re as strong and quick as he is, you really ought to be able to post more than 14 and 8 a game.
About the other teams. We’re agreed that LA and Dallas have better lineups. I think Cleveland deserves to be in that “no doubt” category. Lebron + Antawn + Shaq (who’s played fairly well as of late) + Mo + guy who knocks down 3’s is better, in my mind, than Carmelo + injured KMart + Nene + tired Chauncey + guy who knocks down 3’s.
Boston is inconsistent as a team, but KG can still get it done and Ray is still a fine player, if not a star anymore. Either way, I’d take KG over KMart right now and Perkins over Nene. Wouldn’t mind Rondo over Billups either. Hell, the only Celtic starter I wouldn’t swap is Paul Pierce.
Same story with the Magic. I’d take Howard over Nene, Nelson over current Billups, and Lewis over current KMart.
The Jazz was a bit of a reach, as it really was their bench and not their starters that destroyed us (Milsap, Korver, etc.).
The Spurs, Thunder, Hawks, and various other teams also have good starting lineups. Hey, how about the Grizzlies? Conley, Gay, Randolph, Gasol, and Mayo is a pretty damn good starting 5.
My point is that the Nugs’ starting 5 is good, but as of right now it’s not anything special. Forget the fact that ball movement stagnates and defense is nonexistent with this group; even individually, it’s clear that Chauncey’s lost a step and KMart’s still suffering from the injury.
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by Uh on Apr 26, 2010 5:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Jamison is better than any of Melo's help
He can shoot the three, he can play inside, he can do it all. Mo Williams is playing better than Chauncey, and old and decrepit ONeal is still better than what the Nuggets have.
Celtics: A point guard who is better than Billups right now. Period.
Nuggets- Ultimate winner point guard. HAHAHAHAHA DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE FUCKING GAME? 14 points 4 assists on 6-14 shooting. And he got absolutely schooled by Deron Williams. Nobody has shown up this series. Not the coach, not the point guard, not JR, noone but Melo and Lawson.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Does have good supporting cast
i dont think thats the issue. however, the issue is, they havent shown up. Melo is the only 1 trying out there. If anything, they make his assist look shitty because they cant finnish on them
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
three different instances of post-game sniping at each other
A complete and utter disintegration of team chemistry. here’s the thing-we’ve seen this over and over again in these embarrassing first-round exits. And as much as AD sucks (and he really, really sucks) we cannot pin this all on GK’s absence, because he has resided (and actively contributed to) three other instances of the same thing. It’s a god damned broken record, and last year really was an aberration. Along with some favorable matchups, CB was the reason for last year’s success. For some reason he has completely lost touch with this team. It probably has to do with grappling with his own crappy recent performance, but I really don’t know. What I do know is I’m really fucking sick of these first-round implosions.
by Rainbow skyline on Apr 26, 2010 1:07 PM MDT reply actions
i dont think Andrew's dissing Melo at all...
Yes, the Nugz are blowing this series as a team for all the reasons readers have stated above. I think the point is that superstars do what is necessary to win. In our case, Melo needs to demand accountability from his teammates during the game and not just after. If he needs cutters, he needs to demand cutters, if we need to tighten up on d, he needs to demand tighter d. I’m not saying that we’re losing this series because of Melo, but that a team lacking leadership needs someone (anyone) to demand that the game be played the right way. If Melo (or CB or KMart) demanded accountability from the team during in-game situations and we still lost, I’m sure we’d all feel better about this team. It seems to me this is the role GK played for this team and without him, we’re falling apart.
by adub on Apr 26, 2010 1:10 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Thank you again Andrew.....I think your article got people to rally around the Nuggets a bit more
because I think people are starting to appreciate Melo more. I doubt that was your intention….but thank you nonetheless
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LOL
jpage, my man, as always…my central thesis is missed. Even though I specifically mentioned that Melo isn’t the reason we lost, that’s how people are taking my argument. I’m simply stating – again – that we won’t win unless Melo goes LBJ or D-Wade on the Jazz and I’m skeptical of him being able to do that.
When Melo plays huge in a playoff elimination game – something he’s now 0-for-5 in – I’ll re-label him with “superstar” status.
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by Andrew Feinstein on Apr 26, 2010 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Andrew.....I think you missed my point
if people are missing the “point” is because the author of the original post didn’t make things clear, It seems like the majority felt the same thing
what I was saying is…..regardless of your intent on the original post…people are now rallying around the Nuggets and appreciating Melo more….for that I say thank you. Not sarcastically either.
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"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
Also you failed to mention that while AD kinda threw Melo under the bus
Melo didn’t do the same to him. Watch till the end of the clip:
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/playoffs/2010/04/25/0040900174_den_sound3.nba/?cid=fb
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"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
"AD is our coach"
“We follow his lead”
That sums it up right there
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by runningdonut on Apr 26, 2010 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions
superstar
you mean get assists like they do? well someone would have to want to contribute for that to happen andrew? or carry his team to wins? cant do it for a whole series, wade isnt. TO’s ? all of the big 3 have compareable TO’s in their 4 games to melo. Defense, well yes melos defense could be better, but he did also have 4 steals, so he is trying at least at times. Heart, besides AAA and lawson, he was the only one who played with heart. Being a leader and demanding more. he told nene and JR beofer the game he needed them to step up, because he couldnt do it alone. He got after Bird during the game, and said what he needed to after the game, and all his coach can do is blame him for the loss. What else is there he is supposed to do? he is shooting great, much better than kobe and at least on par with lebron and dwade. get to the line more, well we have seen that this is at least a lil dependent on the refs, and since melo is treated like the big 3.. or even it seems like Dwill, then that isnt happening. I think he could do better on D, but beyond that, what more do we want from him. It is kinda like someone saying damn if elway had of been a true superstar like montana, we would have one those 3 superbowls we lost. yeah cause montana didnt have any help. I like you and nate and your posts on here andrew, i just think now your smarting from this series like we all are, and are thinking that the grass is greened under kobe, lebrons, or wades feet then melos. It isnt, but the lawn gnomes they have with them are at least right now much better than melos.
LBJ
has a lot more help than Melo and Dwade and the heat would not have won that game if his teamates didnt step up or atleast put forth some type of effort
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
Makes you appreciate Melo's determination
It’s funny how there’s really only one player in this series worth mentioning on our team
For everyone else, there’s an excuse. Oh, they faded down the stretch. They’re hurt. Too many minutes. George Karl. Waaaaaaah
The difference is Wade and Lebron aren’t surrounded by egos like Melo is. It’s why Chauncey has become the most overrated Nugget on this team, and Birdman is hoisting 20 foot jumpers with a bum hand the way he’s been playing.
Melo is the lone bright spot for this franchise’s future
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Lawson's been keeping his own.
Once the staff begins to really trust him and the players start to run with him, we’ll be a damn scary team.
if we can retool the frontcourt in the offseason,
and give lawson way more of billups’ minutes, hopefully keeping billups somewhat fresh down the stretch, we can still make noise next year.
But we simply have to get a real paint presence. I think we will-I still have faith in the FO.
by Rainbow skyline on Apr 26, 2010 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Exactly what I'm thinking
Retooling on the fly should not be that hard. The reason is Kenyon’s huge expiring $16.5 million contract. It’s enough to trade for a lot of things, either as an expiring deal at the deadline or a lopsided trade. Just need a reliable second option on this team. Then, see if a Birdman-JR package can bring anything back. Thing is, we won’t get fair value for JR or Birdman. I don;t think many teams would want them anyways
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by runningdonut on Apr 26, 2010 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions
if we cant
land a legit stud for kmart at the deadline, i think we’re better off letting his contract expire.
kevin love and corey brewer for JR!
or maybe saunders hates blatche so much he’ll give us blatche for birdman.
Does no good
If K-Mart comes off the books, it’s not like we have a bunch of found money to sign a big player, he’ll just put us closer to the cap line but not way under it.
Absolutely have to get something for Kenyon, probably not a stud, but something. Year after year, this contract has been holding us back from trying to get better. It has to happen, sooner or later. Otherwise, we’ll stay stuck in the mud
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by runningdonut on Apr 26, 2010 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions
this is assuming
we’re in contention next season?
i dont fully understand all this cap stuff, dont follow it much. but we dont have much salary in 2011/12. martin and jr are off the books. we need to sign melo to an extension. cb1 is a team option, so i assume we dont have to sign the option?
Chauncey is not playing the PG Role
While AD’s rotation have been very suspect I think a lot of the blame needs to rest on Chauncy and his inability to distribute the ball effectively. He looks a lot more like JR when JR is playing bad. I am so tired of Chauncy trying to post up d-will or shoot contested 3-pts early in the shot clock. Especially before we have any rebounders in place. Right now Chauncey has 26 ast to 14 Turnovers and 6 of 20 from three point line. Most of those three being misses whent right back to the Jazz and early in the shot clock. A PG is suppose to facilitate the offense. He is suppose to look for assist first then shot. Not shoot first and killing all the offenses rythm and flow.
melo, AAA, Ty, Grahmn, and maybe petro
lose the rest. Retire chauncy, take birds one good leg and give it to kmart, take his balls and give them to nene, take Ac’s brain and put it in JR’s body.
And I know Karl cant talk really right now, but couldnt he still coach, and do all of his taling with like a speak and spell or someething. I think my son has one in his room
have you seen his condition????
he can’t even watch the games from home, how would he be able to coach?
"I believe that basketball, when a certain level of unselfish team play is realized, can serve as a kind of metaphor for ultimate cooperation. It is a sport where success, as symbolized by the championship, requires that the dictates of the community prevail over selfish personal impulses. An exceptional player is simply one point on a five-pointed star. Statistics—such as points, rebounds, or assists per game—can never explain the remarkable interaction that takes place on a successful pro team."
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maybe a IV
hey it worked for melo…. lol.. OF course I was kidding about karl coaching. But shoot it couldnt be much worse than AD, could it?
i'm pretty sure nothing could be worse than AD coaching
"I believe that basketball, when a certain level of unselfish team play is realized, can serve as a kind of metaphor for ultimate cooperation. It is a sport where success, as symbolized by the championship, requires that the dictates of the community prevail over selfish personal impulses. An exceptional player is simply one point on a five-pointed star. Statistics—such as points, rebounds, or assists per game—can never explain the remarkable interaction that takes place on a successful pro team."
~ Bill Bradley
~~~
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Sad, just sad
This reads like an angry fan rant with no attempt at perspective, humility, or just being able to accept truth for what it is. The Jazz are run like a real team, they are better prepared from the outset of the game and never deviate from their plan. Their great players can beat you in isolation but it’s only ever used as a last resort. From the very beginning of the game we are being out-executed in every facet. That’s why we are being dominated in this series.
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chauncey
Asked if George’s absence has affected team, Chauncey Billups said this afternoon: "Absolutely. That’s no slight on A.D. He’s done a great job trying to maintain and handle the guys we have on this team. But yeah, definitely. I think you’d see that from any team that lost their head coach for the second-half of the season."
Asked what is the difference, the point guard said: "George won over 900 games, man. A.D.’s been coaching 9, 12 games. That’s the difference. (Karl) is a head coach. A great head coach. You’ve got A.D. filling in who probably will be a head coach but hasn’t had the opportunity to do that. We miss his voice, we miss his leadership, we miss the plays he draws up at timeouts, we miss the halftime speeches, we miss everything. But that’s not an excuse at all. I think A.D. has done a wonderful job."
didn't see your comment here
just posted part of billups’ quote in another thread
but yeah, this makes me wonder what AD actually does apart from post-game press conferences
"I believe that basketball, when a certain level of unselfish team play is realized, can serve as a kind of metaphor for ultimate cooperation. It is a sport where success, as symbolized by the championship, requires that the dictates of the community prevail over selfish personal impulses. An exceptional player is simply one point on a five-pointed star. Statistics—such as points, rebounds, or assists per game—can never explain the remarkable interaction that takes place on a successful pro team."
~ Bill Bradley
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i didnt expect much from AD.
and i thought this team was together long enough, with quality leadership, to carry on without george. i was wrong, twice.
we might be better off without AD. but at the same time, the team is obviously in major need of some type of leadership. if that makes any sense.
i cant really fault AD. hes not HC material. and what was he gonna do, refuse GK appointing him as interim HC (assuming it was GK’s idea)? it would have been disrespectful to GK IMO, if AD refused.
glad to hear someone else saying it
“I think you’d see that from any team that lost their head coach for the second-half of the season.”
by ParkHillNative on Apr 26, 2010 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions
No offense to anybody, but I think you guys are getting a little too angry.
What Would Brian Boitano Do?
He'd quit and eat a Twinkie with Charles Barkley
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get out of this team
i have to say it. Get out of this team. This team isn’t for you. Get out of this team, and let it be the 80’s and 90’s Nuggets. The fan’s don’t love you, why you love them?
Are you going to explain why you are so against him?
Or just say you want Melo to leave. At least give a reason why you think Melo should be gone. Also I am pretty sure a lot of Denver fan’s love Melo…
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by ColoradoAggie11 on Apr 26, 2010 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions
I think Edi's trying to say
That Melo ought to leave Denver and find a fanbase where he’s appreciated.
Which I disagree with. Read through the thread, nearly every single person on here (except maybe Gasus) loves Melo and doesn’t want him to leave.
After all, we are the Quitter’s People united.
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by Uh on Apr 26, 2010 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Whatever dude
I love Melo and he is Nugs best player. The Nugs would be fucked without Melo and I advocate to my friends for them to extend him this offseason all the time. I still have faith that he can regain his passing form from last year and realize that he has one of the best helping casts in the game. Melo’s meeball has been rampant this year and it is the main reason for the record being worse than we all expected and now it is the reason the Nugs are struggling so much with a team that passes the ball so well. All I am saying is that he is letting his team down. I am not saying I don’t love him as a guy on my team. I just hope he can learn that Meelo can’t beat the Jazz before it is too late.
happy 2 year anniversary melo
on april 26, 2008 carmelo anthony is quoted as saying, “WE QUIT. EVERYBODY. FROM THE COACHES TO THE PLAYERS WE QUIT. AND I SAID IT.” sounds like melo can dish it out but cannot take it. andersen takes an ill advised 18 foot shot a melo let him have it. the entire season melo, billups and smith took bad shot after bad shot game after game. now melo wants to make it an issue with andersen over 1 shot. melo bitched at the refs all season over no calls while the player he was supposed to guard took the ball the other way and scored layups. the last game against utah he had 11 rebounds. 6 were offensive off of his own missed shots. compared to the cheap shots melo has taken coach dantley pointing out melo had 9 turnovers is nothing in comparison. melo shoots 90% free throws and follows all of his shots he would lead the nba in scoring. it will never matter how many points he scores on offense because he is a liability on defense. melo will never make an all defensive team. he is a great offensive player but his overall game and leadership is seriously flawed.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
what do u mean
he can dish it but not take it. If this was the regular season he probably wouldnt give 1 shit if birdman took that shot. He hardly ever takes those because he always misses, so why take it when your team is down and trying to come from behind in a must win game. the stuff in he reg season means nothing
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
Enough!! Melo should leave the Nuggets- asap.
This article is proof positive why Melo will never get his just due playing in Denver. We’ve all witnessed the debacle in this series- most of it coming from weak-minded, undisciplined, immature, or as in CB’s case, simply worn out TEAMMATES. The only constant in this series, & in spite of atrocious officiating, has been the sustained effort & play of Carmelo Anthony. And yet heres another example, much like the AD presser, where the criticism falls back 2 the one who deserves it the least.
When KG was in Minn, Pierce in Boston, & Ray Allen in Seattle & Milwaukee- they heard this same kinda garbage. It took their leaving those towns 2 firmly restablish their superstar status’, since they finally had some help 2 get their rings.
Why is Melo being jugded differently? Wheres LBJ’s ring, or Kobe’s b4 Gasol, & Wade’s after Shaq? Even MJ needed Pippen & Rodman, & how about Wilt b4 he won his1st one? Melo will NEVER get his props or a ring playing 4 this organization.
For his sake, I hope he sees that now, & breaks outta Dodge…….pronto.
Maybe then those fans who simply don’t “get it” will finally understand- “you don’t miss the water till the well runs dry”!
Ask the Timberwolves about that.
I hate you
for being correct about this. I just hope Melo doesn’t read it and move on. Unfortunately you are correct in that he is one of those players who will only get respect if he has a ring. Nevermind all the great games he has played. I will miss him. Especially when our big scorers will be Nene and Houdini Smith.
If he would ever leave
That would become my new second-favorite team. He’s a great player and maybe with a ring will earn the respect all these other guys get.
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by Uh on Apr 26, 2010 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions
do u know without him denver wouldnt make the playoffs, let alone make it out of 1rst without him in the western conference?
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
if you read his other comments
you’ll see he doesn’t care about the nuggets as a whole, he just loves Melo
"I believe that basketball, when a certain level of unselfish team play is realized, can serve as a kind of metaphor for ultimate cooperation. It is a sport where success, as symbolized by the championship, requires that the dictates of the community prevail over selfish personal impulses. An exceptional player is simply one point on a five-pointed star. Statistics—such as points, rebounds, or assists per game—can never explain the remarkable interaction that takes place on a successful pro team."
~ Bill Bradley
~~~
http://www.youtube.com/bektur34 - denver nuggets videos
i'm talkin bout Edi btw
"I believe that basketball, when a certain level of unselfish team play is realized, can serve as a kind of metaphor for ultimate cooperation. It is a sport where success, as symbolized by the championship, requires that the dictates of the community prevail over selfish personal impulses. An exceptional player is simply one point on a five-pointed star. Statistics—such as points, rebounds, or assists per game—can never explain the remarkable interaction that takes place on a successful pro team."
~ Bill Bradley
~~~
http://www.youtube.com/bektur34 - denver nuggets videos
What was the Nugs record without Melo this year?
Just sayin. I don’t want Melo to leave and I think it would be a disaster but you are way overstating the importance of Melo to this team as is every other dingaling that all of a sudden thinks Melo doesn’t have a great supporting cast.
that doesnt matter
people were stepping up when he was gone, but they cant sustain that play for 80+ games and be successful. No way in hell. u think they can win a championship without him?
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
No sir
But I do think they could get to the playoffs and out of the first round. Top 9 or 10 team in the game. You can go back to last year too if you want a bigger sample size of how the Nugs do without Melo.
u mean last year in the playoffs? wth
so u think denver beats utah without melo? even after that game last night when NO ONE besides melo ty lawson and AAA showed up? wow
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
Lets be honest about Melo:
He is a very good player but not a superstar to the status of Kobe, LJ and Dwade. That must be clear! He needs to improve his ball handling, athlectism to have his imprint on the whole game. Be more vocal and demanding because he is the best player on the team. he has to lean how to set up his teamate instaed than shoot the ball 90% of the time he touch it. Please Nuggets give him some helps, surrends him with basket ball players /studs instead ballers like JR-Kmart- Petro-. The guys have the worst supporting cast in the playoff, may be ahead of the Bulls.
kobe, LJ and dwade have been on the nba all defensive team
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
ME TOO!!
Im tired of hearing about all of them. id take melo over any of them. If they swapped places, i dont think they could have done as much as melo in the western conference. How the hell does anyone have the audacity to try and shit on melo after that performance last night? like really. if he didnt play im convinced they lose by 40
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
LOL
You think these guys would quit on LeBron like they did Melo? Yeah fucking right. LeBron makes his teammates better while Melo shoots all the time. Big fucking difference.
melo's handling
he was a little off last night with the handles but hes got one of the best handles for a small forward in the NBA
by Birdman and Jay arah on Apr 26, 2010 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m actually more disappointed in Chauncey than Melo. When GK went down, and they replaced him with the “personality” that is AD, someone on the team needed to step up and take control of how the team played. AD doesn’t appear to be capable of doing so, and frankly, it just isn’t part of Melo’s personality to be an in-your-face, demanding leader like MJ or Kobe. Plus, often times, I’ll agree with Andrew here, he can be part of the problem by not busting his ass on both ends of the floor.
But I really thought that Chauncey would step it up and be that on floor leader that would demand that everyone step it up a notch or 10, and would start distributing the ball around to get more people involved. But he hasn’t. Plain and simple, he has really let me down. In fact, during one reg season win after Karl was gone, I remember AC (of all people) actually doing a better job at the point than Chauncey was doing. And last night, Ty was clearly a more positive factor than Chauncey on the floor.
FU Rob Blake, and I mean that in the most gentlemanly way possible
by Bob in Boulder on Apr 26, 2010 3:58 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Rec
Point guard matchup is killing us in this series. Killing us so bad. It is a much, much bigger problem than Melo (who isn’t the problem at all).
There’s no way to get out of this, because you can’t just bench Chauncey. I really thought Chauncey would step up with a 30 pt game or another double digit assist game in Utah. So bummed
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by runningdonut on Apr 26, 2010 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Lebron does not control whether his teamates make shots. if they dont make shots, he doesnt get assist and u would not be making this aurgument. A grown ass man cant MAKE another 1 show up to maybe the most important game of the season. He didnt make them step up when orlando beat them in the ECF. and what did ppl say? o, well u know, lebron is the best, hes the king, but HE CANT DO IT ALONE. period. If Melo wasnt the only one who showed up last night, he atleast gets 3-4 assist. CB1 would have way more than 3 and im sure they would have won the fuqn game. and guess who would get all the credit. probably chauncey. And why is melo being bashed for not having a lot of asist THATS THE PGS JOB!!! u say we dont win when melo plays meelo ball, but we dont win when our starting pg gets 3 fuqn assist and forces 14 shot attemps
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
this was for gasus
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
All comes back to Meelo ball
Everyone is better when Melo takes 18 shots. It has been the same fucking story all season.
Gasus....give it a rest. You claim to love Melo, but bash him every opportunity
Do you always hurt the one you love?
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Somehow Phil Jackson
Gets Kobe to ratchet it down a notch sometimes if he feels the rest of the team isn’t getting it done. I think he even almost throws a game once in a while, like a few nights ago, when he purposely limits Kobe’s shots and instructs him to get other folks involved. And it usually results in good results that follow. So there is something to what you are saying. But who is the strong personality on the team (cause it sure as heck isn’t AD) who is going to convince everyone to start playing team ball?
FU Rob Blake, and I mean that in the most gentlemanly way possible
by Bob in Boulder on Apr 26, 2010 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Kmart I would think
Cause Melo said he doesn’t lead that way
Give him a call
Maybe he’ll listen, maybe he won’t. LOL
MElo probably took 18 shots in the offense last night
he had about 7 shots that were offensive rebounds and putbacks
by Birdman and Jay arah on Apr 26, 2010 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions
i was thinking that
this guy just has some stupid vendetta against melo i assume
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
Nah dude
I just know the Nugs really well and I know what they do when they win. They play team ball and Meelo ball isn’t team ball. Dantley had a point but definitely should have made sure it didn’t come off the wrong way if he was going to say something to the media about it. Your superstar should be able to handle criticism from his coach though and I’m sure Melo will take it with a grain of salt or maybe even try to make some changes.
Sorry man
Melo has played some real selfish ball this season. But, he’s been great this series and played with unmatched intensity and effort in game four. We just needed a little bit more from other guys. The guy is hated on worse than any other marquee player by the refs and he kept his composure better than he has in the past.
Melo taking shots isn’t taking all of the heart and fight out of all the other Nuggets. It should be inspiring them. That’s why yours and Andrew’s argument is so stupid. It is a babbling, desperate rant born out of anger and frustration. The worst part is, Nuggets fan visit this site expecting to find objective, fact-based analysis and constructive commentary. Now, everyone is just turning on each other thanks to garbage like this.
I still believe we can get back in this series. Why? We’ve got Melo
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by runningdonut on Apr 26, 2010 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Nah dude
Same shit has happened all season. Melo is the best player but Meelo ball doesn’t work. I don’t really care what you say on the subject though because I know what I see. He’s the star and he has to adjust his game so the team wins. I think it would be pretty stupid to call out 11 guys that shoot the ball half as many times as he does and turn it over half as many times. Granted, game 4 he looked like he had all the heart but MEELO BALL DOESN’T WORK. Hasn’t worked all year or any year he has been in Denver. Nugs got to the WCF last year by playing team ball and Melo trusting his teammates. What year did Melo’s scoring average take a big dip? I believe it was last year….
so melo is supposed to help the team, hes our best player but he should take the same amount of shots as everyone else? that does not make sense to me. If he is the best player and best scoring option then of course he will take more shots. if people make shots when he passes the ball then he would have more assist and no one will say he is being selfish. But how is he being selfish when everyone gets pretty much the same amount of assist per game?
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
He touches the ball almost as much as the point guard
Don’t really give a fuck about assists though. It isn’t like a Melo pass has to end up in a direct bucket. Just pass the ball and trust your teammates to make plays. When they start making plays Melo will get his points in the flow of the game, just like last year.
Anonlakersfan is BANNED
I don’t mind insults, but username “anonlakersfan” crossed the line. He’s banned permanently.
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by Andrew Feinstein on Apr 26, 2010 4:20 PM MDT reply actions
I wonder if he meant
Anonymous Lakers Fan
or
A Non-Lakers Fan
Either way I don’t like it
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by runningdonut on Apr 26, 2010 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions
I went with the former
Thank you, Andrew. Things can get heated, but that kind of vitriolic nonsense has no place in a worthwhile forum.
by Artimus Mangilord on Apr 26, 2010 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions
good for you
I agree that Melo is not a superstar until he focuses on the defensive end. That is how I read your post after I have re-read it. I do not blame him for shooting as much as he did, not passing, or turning the ball over. I do blame him for not playing defense and getting in guy’s face as much. That is it though. He can be a superstar when he starts bringing his lockdown defense (which he is capable of) consistently.
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by ColoradoAggie11 on Apr 26, 2010 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions
I might not agree with you alot Andrew
but you were left with no choice. He crossed a line, that was pretty wide to begin with
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Thanks for the support, I love you all...
…but I still think you’re missing the point of my article, and perhaps I could have worded it better. I didn’t diss Melo’s performance, implied that he quit, didn’t give a good effort or any of the above. I’m simply saying that I fear he doesn’t have the goods to carry us through a tough game or a tough series when his teammates fold like deck chairs around him. If you think I’m wrong about that, that’s fine – it’s a subjective argument.
I’ll be proven wrong when Melo rises to the occasion on Wednesday and again Friday.
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by Andrew Feinstein on Apr 26, 2010 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions
some of your issues with him are legitimate
such as the issue in regards to defense and wanting to take on that next challenge. i just wish this topic didn’t become such a breeding ground for certain people to make their true feelings shown on the guy.
to be honest, i don’t think we can really expect that kind of performance out of him. i’m not sure if it’s his mindset or if it’s his capabilities, but i’m not expecting it. i’m just hoping that the rest of the guys who haven’t bothered realizing that it’s the playoffs make an appearance and actually do something for once.
to me, melo is in that second tier of superstars as it stands with nowitzki. he’s going to impact the game heavily in one area, but he’s going to need help around him in order for him to get through. he’s not a lebron, wade, kobe, howard or chris paul, all of whom can elevate the level of their team in multiple ways. durant is approaching that level, but i’m not convinced he’s there yet.
good topic, it’s just unfortunate how the discussion around has totally degraded, and i’ll admit i’ve done my part in that.
+1
I agree that Melo is in the second round of superstars unless he starts playing defense more. I think that if Melo was a guard it would be easier for him to change the game. This is shown using Wade, Kobe, and Paul. Lebron is a point forward in that the offense runs through him and he brings the ball up every time. Howard also has the ball most of the time until he kicks out to a shooter or to Nelson driving the lane.
I think you have to have a different skill-set than Melo to be in that top tier, at least offensively.
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by ColoradoAggie11 on Apr 26, 2010 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Its become a spectator sport!!
lets just blame Melo- that explains everything!
And now we’re infested w/ multiple trolls, ie; Gashous, who simply look 2 pile on & muddy the waters.
Sad.
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That’s a good one. Still seemed like u were busting in melo though.
by MMGraves on Apr 26, 2010 4:43 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
does any1 watch sportscenter
they are about to talk about melos comments. this should be interesting
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
basically
they said he shouldnt have said it, that he was calling his team out and that he has to do more for the team and that all he does is score. and that utah was executing better than denver at every aspect of the game
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
In other words, par for the course?
Has any superstar been more “polarizing” than Melo? Case in point, in Nov a commentator mentioned that Brandon Roy, Kevin Durant, & Rudy Gay were all better than Melo. Having an opinion is fine, but actively & prematurely looking for the next “better than Melo” guy, especially after his postseason last year, is really intriguing. I don’t see this kinda sustained, consistent skepticism for other players in his class. Chris Bosh is teflon compared to Melo.
What the hell....lol.....I leave for a couple hours and suddenly it becomes a blood sport in here
Andrew….I respect you and love you as a Nuggets fan. All of you in fact. It’s tough to watch the team you love fall apart in front of your eyes. we are emotionally invested in our team and sometimes it manifests itself in frustration. I know we all love Melo in different ways and I hope he knows that.
Fuck the haters. We are Nuggets fans dammit. I hope everyone remembers that on Wednesday when we prove people wrong….everyone else can go screw off.
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I have mad respect for the Nuggets…they are a great team. I will be rooting for you guys to move on to the next round. There is also no guarantee that my lakers are gonna move on.
I believe that teams have to play other top teams on their way to an NBA championship. And, to me you guys are def better than the Jazz. And we all know that when the nuggets play the lakers, they bring their top A game and it is always a fun matchup. I honestly do not believe that the Utah jazz will be strong enough to beat my lakers in a series. but you guys are. It’ll be a fun filled dog fight.
So both our teams need to get to get their act together and meet in the Western Conference Semis.
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Nugs need their coach and that series would be epic
Hopefully the Nugs can somehow get back to team ball and steal this bitch from Utah. I’m not too worried about your Lakers though. They’ll be fine.
Lakers would devour Utah, true
Just like they did last year
by Artimus Mangilord on Apr 27, 2010 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
the amazing thing is
The Nuggets have lost a home game. Sure, they lost two stinkers on the road as well, but isn’t that exactly what the Lakers did?
We’re in the same boat as Dallas. Not a good boat to be in, but not the end of the world. If we can take care of home and steal one on the road, we’re on to the second round.
We win game 5 and then we’ll see where we’re at. It’s too early to be jumping ship.
I made a fanshot about this but those don't always get attention here
if anyone wants to see the Carmelo and Andersen incident (which i don’t remember seeing on TNT)
it’s a Jazz broadcast tbw
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Looks to me like Melo got on Bird for something on the Defensive end
or something. lol
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the post kept reporting that it was about the jumpshot he took
but man watching Dantley quickly sit down after Bird walks by him is really sad
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Another sign that we're not going anywhere
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Bird looked like he did NOT want to play or even be there...
and to diss the coach is just bad news. I’m glad Melo said something to him. Is it suspension worthy? Melo got suspended for not coming out of the game once. I’m sure Petro would love bird’s minutes. It’s sad how far we have fallen. It looks like a rudderless ship.
What a bunch of crap
Just horseshit! No wonder why he didn’t play in the 2nd half. I would bench that motherfucker. Like it or not, Dantley is the Coach and to see a “vetren” like Chris being a little bitch like that just pisses me off. Then, he has to bitch at Carmelo for him getting in his face.
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Wow that's on Birdman
That whole sequence was shit. He gives up 2 layups, then on offense he sets that little half screen after standing around for 5 seconds. Take that jump shot out of it Andersen just was not playing hard. I don’t even care why he asked to come out of the game. That was confusing but does anyone else get the sense that Birdman is just not into it? I have to question whether or not he cares.
Joey Graham should really be playing this series.
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by runningdonut on Apr 26, 2010 7:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Graham at least has something to play for
Oh, and he’s not basically ineffective thanks to health problems.
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by Uh on Apr 26, 2010 7:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Birdman flew away
He took everything and left Chris Andersen behind.
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Woa
Thanks for the link. Damn. Just damn. So many examples of dysfunction there that it’s tough to know where to start and what to say. So, I won’t even comment on it. It’s plain to the eye. Instead, for fun watch JR’s “Defense” on Deron Williams drive at the beginning of that clip. Classic. Chest Tap. “My Bad.”
Another chapter for my book “My Bad: The JR Smith Story”
That was crazy, I remember the play, but didn't see Melo talk to him. You could see Bird say, "I was wide open!" to Melo.
So it was at least a little about his long shot.
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by Nate Timmons on Apr 26, 2010 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions
I have to agree with many here
I think you are way off Andrew, Melo is the only one who consistently gave a damn last night and if 39/11 isn’t enough then what is? Lebron is playing the Chicago Bulls, they are awful, the one time his team made it to the Finals it was because the East was it’s usual atrocious self. Melo’s press conference was refreshing, I didn’t read it as egotistical but instead a recognition that he can’t do it himself. This is something a superstar doesn’t always grasp.
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Denver Nogguts??????
Will they change their name????? Unfortunately other than about 4-5 guys, The Nuggets are playing with no guts right now. they are pissed at each other when they should be pissed at their opponents, or maybe they are pissed at their opponents but they are too scared to do anything about it. We have a coach (former Jazz player) who is going to get hemorrhoids sitting down the whole game. We have an owner who is too busy in St Louis and then we are filled with players who are more interested in extending their career than winning it all now. Players like Nene and Kenyon should be 20/10 guys every night. Doing so puts them in jeopardy of getting injured and thus lessens their career. Birdman seems mad at something, he needs to take it out on the shooters in the paint. Melo will be Melo and that is good for the Nuggets. Here is the rest of the cure…….AC needs to get in the game, Afflalo needs more minutes, Lawson needs more minutes, JR needs to sit out the rest of the first round. Chauncey needs to set up without the ball, let Lawson and Afflalo and Carter bring the ball up when they are in the game. The big guys just need to foul hard if they are going to foul. Use the rest of your bench just to get some hard fouls. Here lies the problem, can they foul hard or are they scared of a little Boozer? Melo is the MVP in a League that already picks its MVP at the beginning of the season and then tells the refs how to make it happen. The Nuggets just need to tell David Stern to shove it and draw some blood on the court. What do they loose, the series, heck the NBA doesn’t care about the mid market Nuggets. Are they concerned that they will get Technical fouls, they get them anyway. Are they concerned about a fine. Kenyon will be making $16 Million next year, he can afford to Donate some to the Denver “We ain’t gonna take this crap from the NBA” Nuggets. The Refs don’t like us, they also didn’t like the Detroit Pistons and they got some Championship rings for their “Bad Boys”. Look at Kenyon, Birdman, JR. With all them Tattoos , they look like a bunch of criminals. No wonder we don’t get the calls. Now if they look the part, they should play the part. Take some Viagra, grow some nuts and play ball. Otherwise change your name to the Nogguts and as a season ticket holder I can then decide if I want to keep spending my money on a bunch of punks. Stan give all the players a $50,000 bonus for every round they win so they could use to pay the fines by the NBA as they play real ball and whoop some Utah " we don’t play on Sunday because we are Mormons and the NBA likes us so they let us have Sundays to spend with our underage wives, or daughters, same thing" jASS
I would like to read this post
but i can’t because it hurts my eyes, from the sheer volume in onw overly large paragraph
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+1
Cannot read anything being said. One of the most important things to learn when writing or typing is that humans love white space. It helps them feel like there is a break even if there is not much. I don’t know why this is, but people are more comfortable with more white space in the margins, double spaced paragraphs, and a white line in between paragraphs.
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by ColoradoAggie11 on Apr 26, 2010 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Most of that was spot on.
Unfortunately, I just got the bill for next years season tickets.
I would like to see us stop pussying around and lay some of those Utah players out. I’m totally laughing whenever Miles or Williams flop. They are actually grinning as they hit the ground.
They're grinning b/c they can't believe it either
When will our guys learn? “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice…”
by Artimus Mangilord on Apr 27, 2010 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
A lot of really good opinions and ideas here...
After reading most all of them though, the common theme I find is that our “TEAM” is losing the 1st round badly and as Fans go, most are pretty pissed. Seems to be plenty of blame to go around. When players air their dirty laundry in public, it generally means the end is near. BTW:
A little digging finds that about 60% of teams that fall to 3 – 1 lose in 5 games. Roughly 20% lose in 6, 15% in 7, and 5% win the series.
My “stats”? Everything in life is 50/50. We either will win this series or we won’t. Hey, that’s better than Vegas odds.
Go Nuggets!
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Unreal. I remember back in the day at the old Stiffs site when 50 comments was groundbreaking for a recap. Anyways, good read Andrew. I think you are putting a little too much on Melo. We all know he’s not the smartest tool in the shed, and isn’t the leader that he should be but he’s still playing at a high level right now, and you can’t knock him for that. I think this is more on Chauncey and the rest of the team personally. When Chauncey came here last year it was like we suddenly had a second coach. Now, it seems like he’s just trying to blend in with all the other guys. These last few games have been gruesome to watch, but I have come to accept this team for what it is, so I don’t get as emotional as I guess I should have. I remember all too well the days when playing like we have the last few games was just how we played all the time. So, I am happy with this team, even if we do lose this series because I know that it would have been a totally different story had Karl been here. It’s just too bad because this might have been the year.
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we can't really blame melo for this
he was the only one trying, diving and he actually got us down to atleast 5. it was just a matter of being too much to handle, meaning for us to comeback everyone needs to pull their weight not just carmelo
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Are we talking Superstar or Best Player in the game?
Because that is what Kobe and Lebron are, and Dwade to me is just plain overrated.
A – Melo will never be on Kobe or Lebron’s level
B – He does disappear at times during crucial games (i’ll give you that) but by and large has recently had some great performances in big games (like yesterday)
C – Many turnovers came from suspect charging calls from bad officiating
D – If the finger needs to be pointed at a “star” player, it should be Billups, who has been getting eaten alive and is a defensive liability vs DWill.
Melo is obviously not the same class as Kobe or Lebron, but who is? Amongst the rest of the NBA, Dirk, Nash, Timmy, Pierce, KD, DWade, Howard, he is among the best in the game (i.e. a superstar) and has played very well overall this series (except for offensive fouls, which are in part due to spotty officiating). Bottom line is he is a top 10 player easy and we haven’t had that in the nuggets, well, possibly ever. Sometimes you don’t know what you had until its gone…hopefully that will not be the case. What this series has proven to me though, is that we need to get rid of JR Smith, Nene, and KMart (unless he comes back for less money) since they have shown themselves to be pretenders when its all on the line. Of course, i don’t have any immediate solutions to how we get that done!.
Melo is better than Kobe right now,
but otherwise I agree with what you said about Melo.
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by airforcefoo on Apr 26, 2010 11:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Something to be said
about Melos record in elimination games. I agree 0-5 possibly soon to be 0-6 will not get it done. I’m a Melo fan all the way, but he needs to lead his team. Good to see him in birds face, but untill he commits all of his game both ends of the floor, they won’t listen. Its a start though…
Was there any reference to the $60 mil man sucking
Melo and Jr always catch the BS.
NENE is a joke. He’s the cancer that needs eradicating. When you get him the ball he blows the layup. He gets a good dunk every now and then but he’s taken over AC place as the weakest link.
He’s definitely on the trade list.
I'm with you
Dude is soft like froyo
by Artimus Mangilord on Apr 27, 2010 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
This article is such shit
I just got more and more pissed as I read it. He showed great leadership and intensity every minute he was on the floor last night. He didn’t play his best game, but it was pretty damn good, and he single-handedly helped us maintain a prayer of winning while literally every single other Nugget played like a horse’s ass. This anti-Carmelo drivel is the worst part about this blog, and if I read another one of these moronic diatribes I’m done. Are you going to claim that Wade is no longer a superstar when he doesn’t score 46 next game and the Heat get blasted out in 5. Game 4 down 3-0 isn’t a must win in the NBA; once you’re down 3-0 it’s fucking over anyway. Game 3 was the must win, and Wade wasn’t that great in that game, so I guess he’s not a real superstar. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK! Of all the shitty play in that last game, you’re highlighting our only top corps player who actually showed up from start to finish, and if you ask me, had what I would call a fucking superstar performance. In no way could you say he padded his stats when it didn’t matter (a Feinstein special), so what the fuck more do you want from a guy whose teammates are giving him nothing! I’m punching holes in my keys as I type this I"m so outraged.
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by airforcefoo on Apr 26, 2010 10:40 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
well after a promising season and a very bleek ending(?) it will do that to some
i for one obviously want melo to be a nugg for life, but this bus throwing needs to stop. it’s similar to the lakers in 2005, it was kobe and a bunch of scrubs (kwame and smush anyone) and they were eating him alive. now he has real support almost everyone jumped on the bandwagon.
it’s a TEAM game i know that and melo came to play but his TEAMmates did not
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by Big Mickey D on Apr 27, 2010 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
This is unbelievable
It’s in the title: “When 39 and 11 isn’t enough” then obviously other people have to step up.
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How the hell is he supposed to get assists when everyone else is playing terrible?
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How the hell is he supposed to stay out of foul trouble when they're calling every flop?
Would you rather he just settle for jumpers? No! You’d be fucking killing him for that, too.
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How the hell is he solely responsible for his man's scoring when our defense is switching and rotating late all over the place?
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How the hell can you criticize a guy who brought the intensity he brought last night and put up 39 an 11?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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How the hell does a reasonable minded person write this article and think to themselves, "These are really good points I'm making?"
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when 63 for a game and 43.7 for the series isn't enough...
For MJ to win a single game against the celtics in a post season series…. and I’m sure it’s because he played ME-J and the rest of his team were pissed at him and didn’t play. absurd. Just like Carmelo isn’t a superstar. ridiculous. Melo has the best shooting percentage in the league when the game is on the line. shooting to win or tie under 30 seconds in a one possession game, Melo is 50%; better then Bron, Kobe or Wade or anyone else for that matter. Superstars come through when the game is on the line and you have to deliver, Melo has proven this over and over during his career. Right now, this Nuggets team is a shell of the team that went to 2 inbounds passes away from it’s first Finals appearence. That and The Jazz are a well coached 53 win western conference team…
Okay. I'm trying to be open minded here
Andrew, let me ask you this….
One of your points was Melo needs to get to the FT line, which is fairly dependent on the referee.
If Melo were a Laker, a Celtic, a Spur or a Cavalier, does he get the benefit of the ref’s whistle? I propose he does, and goes into superstar status.
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melo getting the whistle as a cavalier?
i doubt it
in all other scenarios, highly likely
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Absolutely absurd.
There are MANY reasons that the Nuggets are losing this series and MOST of them could be mitigated by higher level coaching strategy and even the lower level, Coaching 101 things like Time-Out usage!
Practice doesn't make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect.
How has Nene escaped scrutiny after the game he had?
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by Big Mickey D on Apr 27, 2010 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Because it was one game
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FESENKO?
If Nene even brings his “B” game to this series, we are up 3-1. Instead, he vanished and now Andrew (and a host of others on this site) blame the only guy having a series of any kind!?! This article should have been an open letter to Nene’s remaining testicle about doing double duty through June so that our starting center might actually play tough for more than 2 plays a game! I know that’s harsh but at least it is accurate. Blaming Melo for anything but an unacceptable number of turnovers in the last game is absolutely absurd.
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by Big Mickey D on Apr 27, 2010 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
it's the whole series
seriously, this is the kind of playoff performance that changes the trajectory of your career. if nene wasn’t trade bait before, he probably is now.
by Rainbow skyline on Apr 27, 2010 8:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Hero Quality
Someone said that Melo lacked that Hero Quality. I agree with that, even though I know he can be clutch. He just seems to be missing that extra something special and that ability to take over when it counts. He’s more of a quiet scorer. He can have 30 points and I won’t remember one basket. Why did Wade win All-Star MVP, even though Melo played well? He’s boring, that’s why.
Durant seems to be what Melo could have been, but never developed into. The kind of superstar you’d want hanging with your kid. Just more marketable, I guess. More exciting. An actual leader, too.
I agree that if we had a system with actual plays he and Nene would be monstrous. I’ve been saying it forever, and I would go back through to comment where it’s appropriate, but I’m too lazy right now. But I’m beginning to feel like I did a couple years back, when it was surprising every time somebody scored. You just never knew what was going to happen in the streetball atmosphere. This year isn’t quite that bad, but it’s getting there.
Wish I could post more often, but I’ve just been too busy. Appreciate all I’ve been reading, though.
MattressKing has been fun. Next year it’s back to “Do We Have Any Plays?” I think.
I disagree
I like Durant and all, but I think hanging out with him would be like watching paint dry. And Melo definitely has the Hero Quality, as you pointed out in his clutch shooting. There was a second there at the end of gm 4 when I was on my feet when he nailed back to back tres.
Yeah, good call again on the ‘do we have any plays?’
by Artimus Mangilord on Apr 27, 2010 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Here's why Wade won ASG MVP
More efficient game…and the East won. If Melo had hit that gamewinning shot, he certainly would have been MVP. As such, he missed and it went down solely as another missed field goal…one out of many.
Durant is tremendous, and I have to agree his early maturity has impressed me far more than Melo’s early years, but I don’t know how vocal of a leader he is. He’s struck me as much more silent than Melo, particularly as of late as Melo’s been stepping up his role as leader.
And yeah…spot on about having an actual system. This team needs a system.
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