STIFFED!!
by Andrew Feinstein on Apr 20, 2010 1:57 PM MDT
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Since I forgot to record the game last night, I had to record the re-broadcast on Altitude today and pull this off the screen. Note Miles' right foot before Carmelo Anthony fouled him with 25 seconds left. Making matters worse, it appears as though referee Bill Spooner's eyes are closed! Again, I'm not blaming the refs for the Nuggets losing last night. But how in the world do you miss this call?!!
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It's ok to blame the Refs Andrew....this call DIRECTLY led to the Nuggets losing
Embrace it!! lol
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"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
Seriously
Does anyone really doubt the Nugs would lose if the play was actually ruled a TO? I don’t.
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Plus
They were only down 1 point, right? I think they take the lead and end up winning in regulation. All just speculation since the ref forgot to see what was under his own eyes.
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Holy God
The ref is right there. What else could he be looking at? Not only is his foot on the line but over it.
Unbelievable
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Altititude
Hastings picked it up right away. Before the replay came on.
Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out
by CSprings_Tommy on Apr 21, 2010 7:57 AM MDT up reply actions
That is a pretty big blown call
It was fairly obvious and he was in great position to make a call on the play. It’s unfortunate, but hey.
Clownzano + Batum - Clownzano = awesome
But how in the world do you miss this call?!!
Well, duh, he had his eyes closed.
Maybe he blinked right when that happened.
by Bouncy Phillips on Apr 20, 2010 2:26 PM MDT reply actions
It would be better for the conspiracy theorists
if his eyes were open.
by Bouncy Phillips on Apr 20, 2010 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions
How is it better?
On one hand you have blatant disregard (if his eyes are open) the whole time.
On the other hand you have incompetence because there’s no way a blink lasts long enough to not see a full step out of bounds. Come on. Spooner blew another call and it led directly to the Nuggets losing (and Carmelo fouling out)
"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2
"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
His eyes were open
Go look at the picture posted on the post game wrap up. Jazz dude was grabbing melo’s balls (literally) and Spooner was staring right at them as the dude was out of bounds. Not just barely out of bounds but half his god damned foot.
Admit it
You got lucky.
this one isn’t up for debate little man. Bad, game changing call period.
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by runningdonut on Apr 20, 2010 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions
How did you know I was little?
Are you…watching me????
The call was certainly missed. But so were many. Anthony fouled Miles with a reach-in exactly 2 seconds before Miles stepped out of bounds, at the 28.8 second mark. Spooner was watching. No call. Go watch it. Lots of contact on the dribbler prior to this moment.
That doesn’t change or excuse the blow call in this photo.
Damn the refs for making us talk about them all the time! Do we need robots to start doing this, with laser-guided sensors, etc?
by Bouncy Phillips on Apr 20, 2010 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions
It's a contact sport
That’s a 6th foul, touching is allowed in the NBA, it will happen sometimes, even to you if you’ve try playing basketball. Miles is a big boy, this isn’t soccer. Not that there’s anything wrong with that
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by runningdonut on Apr 20, 2010 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd be fouling a mother fucker a lot harder than Melo did
If he was grabbing my balls. Melo should have laid his cheap ass out with a left hook. See what the god damned corrupt NBA would say about that shit. Melo would get suspended for a year the day after they suspend Garnet for an elbow to the face in a fight. Give me a fucking break.
Oh Wow..
Excuse me while i barf all over the screen while watching a ref not more than 5ft from a play miss an obvious barf..uhh excuse me..call. im sincerly sorry Denver fans..dont blame Utah..blame the total eneptitude of your average referee. Its the playoffs..ok..ill agree to let them play and bang..but to run out of bounds infront of a barf..ahh excuse me again..freaking ref is unexceptable.
by Kobe Won Kenobi on Apr 20, 2010 2:38 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
And that's from a LA fan
That is how you know it was bad. Thanks for the sympathy. Geez this is bad.
by Joelsopinion on Apr 21, 2010 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions
BlueDane
also posted a very clear picture in the postgame thread. idk how to post pics so someone else can post it here.
wow
he really is grabbing melo’s goods.
by moonchild808 on Apr 21, 2010 2:52 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
I just noticed that.
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
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#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = #25
Flop
We should rename them the Utah Floppers.
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = #25
ok..ok
I could see of it was questionable and maybe his toe broke the plain of the line..but dayum..dude crossed the line worse than Mark Freakin Furman..
by Kobe Won Kenobi on Apr 20, 2010 2:42 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
can't beleive that the ref missed the call..
dissapointing
Defence wins games, if you hold a team to under 100 points and you score over 100 points, you almost always win.
Blown call or not
The Nugs would not be in this position if they showed up on the defensive end. 113 & 114 points againts in 2 games is pathetic.
how loudly would we be saying that, however, if that call wasn't blown?
Bad D or good D….you can’t remove that one blown call from the outcome of the game
"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2
"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
And you can't continue to beat a dead horse about "one blown call" having such a huge effect on the outcome of the game....
The Nuggets allowed a team without It’s starting C and it’s defensive stalwart to score over 110 POINTS in a playoff game at home.
Forget about the refs. Forget about Jerry Sloan. Forget about the fouls and how they “broke momentum”. This was a Nuggets team that on this night (with the exception of the PG match-up) had either a slight or major advantage at EVERY POSITION on the floor at any given time.
Kostas who?
The other guy whose freakin’ name I couldn’t remember in a thousand years?
KYLE KORVER???!!!
The Nuggets… division champs and WCF’s partcipants just last season should have never even allowed a team missing major players and in your house to be anywhere near close enough to allow a blown call to affect the outcome of Game 2.
I keep reading how people “aren’t going to blame the refs”, yet ultimately most posts seem to fall back on how the refs’ incompetence cost Denver the game. I say Denver cost themselves the game by putting themselves in a position to allow incompetence to decide the game for them.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Apr 20, 2010 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions
This shit happens routinely to the Nugs
They are hated by the NBA and get fucked around every corner. If we as fans don’t say something then no one will and the fucking will continue. You say what you want but you can never justify the treatment the Nugs get from the referees. They bring in a couple refs that have hated the Nugs all year in Spooner and Mauer and put them up against Davis. Davis made all the calls for the Nugs and Spooner and Mauer made all the calls for the Jazz. This shit happens all the time to the Nugs. I truly believe there is only 1 team in the NBA that would give the Nugs a true fight in a fairly played series this year and they reside in LA. I’m sure that is your team so I understand why you don’t have a clue about this topic. NBA slows games down to give teams a chance to beat the Nugs. Every game in this Jazz series that is fairly refereed will be won by the Nugs, mark my words.
I've already been "warned" once before on this site for getting into this sort of back and forth discussion (which doesn't make much sense to me since we're debating civily)...
So all I’m going to say is I think it’s ridiculous to assume referees have a “bias” against one team or the other.
Instead, I think the consistent whining and “tough guy” glaring of the Nuggets players during games DOES play a factor in calls leaning one way or another. It’s human nature to get irritated by that sort of behavior (i.e. Rasheed wallace against every official EVER) and I’m sure subconsciously it does come in to play.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Apr 20, 2010 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't disagree either
However there is a clear bias against the Nugs. I don’t give a shit if they don’t like their attitudes, it is their job to deal with it. If the guy shows you up then T him up, don’t make bad calls against him the whole game. How fucked up is that? It goes so much deeper then the Nugs actions. It has to be top down because it is a black eye on the league 10 or more times per season when the Nugs play and the refs have some sort of vendetta. The Nugs even send letters to the NBA telling them that certain officials have something against their team and nothing ever changes. You can’t just write this shit off to human emotion. The fundamental basis in sport is fairness and the referees in the NBA try to turn it into the WWE just like Donaghe said.
As with Rasheed....even though he's an asshole it doesn't make it RIGHT
to let that influence your decision making. You call the game fairly…enough of this “human nature” bs…it doesn’t make it “right”
"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2
"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
Amen
A ref oe ump is a judge of the sport. Justice is blind right? Like so damn blind he didn’t see Miles running his ass out into the audience. And while Miles is on trial on this blog, how many times are the refs going to allow a 6’9" grown man hit the floor everytime a Nugget comes near him? He drops like a kid throwing a tantrum. This has got to stop. Melo hits the ground and stays down motionless for 45 seconds and nothing! Miles, D-Will and others get a whiff of the pine and any Nugget in the area is hit with a flagrant!
by Joelsopinion on Apr 21, 2010 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions
And like I wrote before...
Referees are human. Humans are fallible. We make mistakes. We allow emotions to come in to play. For every over-emotional, boneheaded play or fit of anger you see a player like Rasheed or K-Mart commit, know that there’s a human on the other side of that and they’re going to have their own feelings on the subject.
You’re being unrealistic if you really believe that refs don’t get irritated and think “here we go again” when K-Mart or Melo or NeNe roll their eyes at them, berate them or “tough guy” stance them on EVERY CALL?
It’s not about some sort of “personal vendetta” as much as it’s tiring and expecting boorish, childish behavior from a specific player every time you’re doing your job and being annoyed by it.
They’re not automatons. If you really think the human element is EVER going to be taken out of it, I suggest you start building that “referee robot” right now.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Apr 20, 2010 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL
So I take it you are cool with referees determining outcomes of games. What a cool guy you are. The NBA really likes fans like you. Good luck following the herd over the cliff.
If something isn’t fair in sports then it isn’t sports. If referees can’t call games fairly because they don’t like the way certain players look at them or talk to them then they shouldn’t be refereeing. I refereed soccer games for 15 years and I dealt with players that gave me a hard time by giving them cards. I never had teams hating me for giving the cards and the fans always got along with me. I was never accused of rigging a game. In the NBA I truly believe the outcome of most every game is rigged from the start. Spooner and Mauer knew exactly what they were doing and look what happened.
The grey area
doesn’t apply when you have blatant proof of a hack job by the refs like that. Some things are subjective and some are not.
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by runningdonut on Apr 20, 2010 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not debating the missed call. It's obvious, the Jazz player is out of bounds.
My argument is, if the players and coaches know of some sort of “bias” against them as has been accused by many fans on here…
Why aren’t they saying something?
Where is the request for inquiry by the ownership of the team?
I think realistically the team and it’s players understand that people make mistakes. Referee’s allow the players to get into their heads just like the players allow the referee’s to do the same to them.
Fans on here can argue until they’re blue in the face about “bias” and “hack jobs” but the reality is that this is part of the NBA as we know it. It’s not about being “sheep” when it comes to just accepting things. It’s more about realizing that this is a SPORT. A LEISURE and not something that should so consume us that we become wrapped up in explaining "conspiracy theories’ and why we’re “so hated by the league”. This NBA is a company we don’t own or run. We give them money to watch their product and wear it’s uniforms. That’s it. If it’s so painful and corrupt….
Why do we involve it in our lives?
It’s bias and conspiracy when it happens to us, it’s poetic justic and “better them than us” when it happens to the other team.
And so it goes…
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Apr 20, 2010 5:53 PM MDT up reply actions
If you bothered to red the prior comments
or bothered to actually know something about what you’re talking bout then you would know that the Nuggets front office has filed MULTIPLE complints with the league about officiating mistakes in their games. Also I love how you justify the refs actions because the Nuggets players complain too much and get on they’re nerves. That would be all well and good except for the fact that your dearly beloved Kobe Bryant BITCHES MORE THEN ANYONE, and the Lakers still get every single call. Lakers fans arguing about the unbiasedness of refs, blows my mind everytime, I mean really??? When have you ever had a game robbed from you like this in the playoffs? Ever?!
Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?
+1
Throw the spurs and celtics into that mix. The spurs complain with more demonstrative movements than any team in the game followed by the celtics and lakers in a close #2. Give me a fucking break. We all love watching the nba and we choose to fight the corruption. It is just a matter of time before a good sports reporter gets off his lazy ass and uncovers this bullshit for all to see.
by Gasus on Apr 20, 2010 11:53 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Assuming Utah is the themanthemyth's team
Jordan pushing off Byron Russell.
by Artimus Mangilord on Apr 21, 2010 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
No, I'm a Laker guy, Artimus.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Apr 21, 2010 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
A "sport" and "leisure" for us as fans sure, I'll accept that but...
to everyone employed by either the NBA or an NBA franchise this “sport” is a business. Lots of money is paid out to teams that make and advance in the playoffs. Not that the fans see that money, but all the more reason for players, coaches and owners to be upset about a referee’s sub-par performance.
"I know the game of basketball is one-on-one (oriented), but the pain of beating a defense by the pass — it confuses and frustrates the defense more than just going by a guy one-on-one." George Karl
If that was called
Carmelo wouldn’t have fouled out and the Nuggets would have won.
Instead, "Melo fouled out and we lost.
Mistakes happen, but the ref’s job is to call sh*t like that. The Nuggets dug themselves one hell of a hole, but that missed call gave the game and home court advantage back to Utah.
What Would Brian Boitano Do?
Also
you are basically giving the refs a pass for showing a bias because they don’t want to questioned, berated, or accountable for bad calls. They are professional and trained to enforce the rules. Forget about childish or boorish behavior you don’t give someone a pass for doing a shit job because you feel sorry for them, it ruins both your credibility and theirs
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by runningdonut on Apr 20, 2010 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not giving them a "free pass" for blowing a call.
It happens. Again, they’re HUMAN. They have emotions and if you truly think that in an emotional, non-stop chest beating, machismo ruled game like Basketball that their emotions don’t come in to play, then you’re kidding yourself.
Referees have egos. Just like you, I and the players playing the game do. When you try to show them up or “tough guy” stare them down, they’re going to feel it and remember it.
A perfect example is Tim Duncan and Joey Crawford. Joey Crawford allowed his emotions and ego to get the better of him in a game because Tim Duncan was being an irritant on the sidelines and laughing at him. As petty as you make think it is, it’s fact and the ref tossed him.
Now stop for a minute and think… have you heard of ANY sort of incident happening between the two again since then?
No.
And why?
Because Tim Duncan, the player playing the game, understood that the REFEREE is in charge out there and the best, and smartest, thing to do isn’t to “tough guy” eyeball him, it isn’t to try to show him up for his “obvious bias” against him, it’s to just go out, keep his mouth shut and PLAY THE GAME. You let the ref do his job and don’t hurt his ego and chances are he’ll do the same for you.
A little smarts and less whining, eye rolling and histrionics on the Nuggets might be a good thing.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Apr 20, 2010 6:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Why do the refs need their egos coddled by the players? Bullshit
You’re way off yet again. Emotion is part of the game for players, and if they cross that line there are consequences. Ejections, technicals, points for the other team. Where is the accountability for the refs overreacting to their bruised egos? Referees don’t need their egos coddled by the players. You tell the players to shut up and play then tell the officials to shut up and ref. They should pay no attention to disgruntled players whining about calls. Yet when they do, you are excusing them as if the players have wronged them by acting out. When in reality the players are powerless. That’s why you have a supposedly neutral, professional referee controlling the game so that emotion doesn’t of the rules.
Joey Crawford is a huge douchebag, he crossed the line in an unbelievable manner and received no punishment for it. There is no defense for throwing out Duncan, and it’s not as if the incident changed Tim for the better. It was wrong, and Duncan got screwed. Crawford fucked up, why you are trying to validate it is beyond me.
Just admit it, you are making the argument that the Nuggets behavior in defending themselves justifies the official’s treatment of them. A pattern appears, an obvious blown call shows up and yet its somehow not valid because the Nuggets have brought it upon themselves. What’s the pre-requisite for having a right to compete according to the rules on a level field?
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by runningdonut on Apr 20, 2010 7:09 PM MDT up reply actions
now that is either the worst joke i have ever read or...
Some screws are loose in your head. You have the audacity to talk about tim duncan favorably on a post talking about the corruption of the referees? Wow, just wow.
by Gasus on Apr 20, 2010 11:57 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Themanthemyth...
Since I do most/all the warning around here I’d say I had good reason. I let things go and let arguments go…so I’d say I must have had good reason. Like a good argument though.
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by Nate Timmons on Apr 21, 2010 9:30 PM MDT up reply actions
1) if we’re playing by the rules, that’s a turn over
2) clearly david stern, and the big money boys are trying to hold denver down. SLC is such a huge media market, that these fishy plays always go in the Jazz way. it’s like some unspoken rule that the refs live by. no one talks about it, but even casual observers of the game can clearly see it. the worst part — not that it’s true — is the fact that it seems to be a top-down decision that even some of the good refs in the league have to play by. and that hurts the integrity of the game. you only have to look back to that last play by bryon russell where he was fouled by jordan, but jordan didn’t get the call, and sank the game winner in Utah. those home calls always kill hard working teams. it’s an uphill battle against the Jazz.
-excuse me . . . what? jordan Wasn’t on the jazz? the refs made a bad call, and Utah didn’t benefit? and this is on record? . . . . and that bad calls have hurt and helped almost every team in the history of the league, over the large sample size of at least 82 games every season, for an average of 22 years in the league?
okay, I retract my statement.
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by AllThatJazzBasketball on Apr 20, 2010 4:24 PM MDT reply actions
lol....sooooooo we just forget about the blatant call because Utah got screwed 12 years ago...
excuse me while I “hold my sides” to contain the contemptuous laughter that’s about to erupt. You have to be delusional….using an argument from 12 years prior to make a point about visual evidence of a blown call that led directly to a loss is beyond laughable.
As you and your fans know….the Jazz had to play a PERFECT game (three players averaging over 60% shooting) and the aid of some horrific calls to end up winning my 3 points. Soooooo this proves what? That Utah has to play way over it’s head to collect a victory…it sure does. It also means that the Jazz put everything they had into that game. What do you have for us next….a reference to the First round of the Western Conference playoffs from 1986 to point out how people shouldn’t complain about tight gym shorts?
"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2
"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
Or, for the sake of argument, does it mean that even though the Nuggets had advantages in every way possible....
…. they allowed a depleted, lesser team to defeat them even though they were at home and had the momentum of a Game 1 victory?
So that proves what?
That even though Denver has the playoff experience of last season now that they still don’t have the mental make-up to crush a team when they should and instead allow that lesser team and the referees get into their heads and lose a game they should have won?
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Apr 20, 2010 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions
If Phoenix somehow wins tonight against a depleted Portland team
and they go back to Portland tied 1-1….will you make the same argument about the Suns? I don’t think so.
"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2
"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
I ABSOLUTELY would!
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Apr 20, 2010 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions
"a depleted, lesser team"
Last time I checked Jazz still have an all-star, a 20/10+ guy, a bench PF(Millsap)that is averaging 17pts/8rbg. On top of that, the advantage of a 1160 win coach.
Nuggs are down a 986 win coach. Have a Bird with half a wing and no legs. Birdman has 11 def rebs and 4pts in 38 min of playoffs. All while trying to roll with a head coach that has all of 19(aprox) games coaching experience. So who is the depleted team?
Wow. You're REALLY trying to say the NUGGETS are the depleted team?
Wow.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Apr 21, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Wow
You’re REALLY trying to downplay the loss of the head coach for well over a month to cancer treatments?!?
by ParkHillNative on Apr 21, 2010 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions
sure
Nugs are banged up too, though — K-Mart’s far from 100%, Birdman seems like he can barely walk.
I think the loss of the head coach has really hurt the Nuggets, and it would for a lot of teams. I have no problem whatsoever saying it’s every bit as bad, if not worse, than losing 2 starters.
by ParkHillNative on Apr 21, 2010 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Again, whatever
Jerry Sloan has been teaching the art of the flop for 20 years. There were three horrible flop calls that changed the momentum of the game. There is only one reason, and it ain’t the Mormons, why I am always a little leery of anything “Utah”. It’s your flops and how you have, year in, year out gotten away with them. Sure, every player on every team acts from time to time. But only one team, only one team has consistently cheated for over 20 years in the NBA. You got it, the Jazz. It goes back far longer than 12 years ago.
Again, as I have said, the pure existence of Jerry Sloan proves the theory that the NBA is corrupt. Oh, and the debacle that is the former Sonics.
Last night I pontificated on the fact that Utah (a small market — perhaps tiniest in the league, save the former Sonics who now hail from OKC) is some kind of a “pivot point” for the revenue of the NBA. Like an unseen way to produce revenue. Somehow Denver, a larger market in every way, which or form has been completely dogged for years. All NBA players play at an NBA level. But the reffing has got to stop. Zeitgeist me all you want, but this shit is fixed. I wanna go back to 1985.
Why do I care? I really don’t know. Nuggs fan all my life I guess.
But you keep cheatin’ Utah, that’s the only way you’ve ever won and you will never know any better because, well, that’s what you have gotten accustomed to.
This here is something about the NFL and I think it applies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utO9jtDpsmQ
How is it a conspiracy theory?
When you have indisputable evidence of a turnover? With a personal foul, it’s open to debate because there is always some level of subjectivity, and as they say “depends” how you see it. This one looked pretty black and white to me. Badly missed call, with blatant proof of it. The reason it is upsetting is that there aren’t many friendly breaks like this going in our favor. Nugs have been whistled for way more fouls in this series than Utah. Is that not true?
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by runningdonut on Apr 20, 2010 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions
I keep looking
For the one person in the crowd that saw the out of bounds. There is usually some dude in the crowd pointing down witha huge gasp on his face. No one is reacting…we need the next frame shot to see if anyone in the crowd picked it up….not that it matters at all.
if you look close at the picture there is a fan pointing
right over at the grassy knoll.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
I think he dropped his nachos
That’s an “awe damn I just dropped my nachos” point, not a “wow how did you miss that” point. I guess the only way to be sure is to ban nachos henceforth from all NBA sanctioned events…Or get refs who don’t take cat naps during the final 20 seconds of regulation.
by Joelsopinion on Apr 21, 2010 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Another Viewpoint Here
Yes, there is a foot blatantly out of bounds here. We all see it.
Lets look at this issue another way though: why the hell was ’Melo guarding him quite so closely with five fouls in hand?! It was entirely possible, especially given the way the game was being officiated, for a foul to be called on ’Melo before his foot was out of bounds anyway. Did ’Melo not realize he had five fouls?! Was it truly worth risking a sixth foul call to play this tight of defense?
The Nuggets were atrocious for the better part of this game and their continued, mercurial behavior throughout the season may have bit them in the ass once and for all here. They are going to have a real challenge winning a game in Utah despite all the injuries for the Jazz. Bottom line is that the Jazz aren’t a more talented team than the Nuggets but they are certainly mentally tougher and smarter—and that might be all it takes to beat the Nuggets in a series this year.
It's one game dude....and the Nuggets blew out the Jazz in the first game
I hardly think a close loss in the second game of a series is an indication that the Nuggets will struggle and lose in Utah. If anything has been proven is that Utah has to play WAY above their heads to barely win. I call that struggling to WIN.
"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2
"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
So what you're saying is that only one type of win is "true" and the other is an "aberration"?
So you’re saying that it’s not entirely possible that the Jazz won’t continue to shoot this well at home for 2 games and the Nuggets won’t continue to make mental mistakes and fold when calls don’t go their way?
I’d say it could go EITHER way.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Apr 20, 2010 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Then why are you arguing on the Negative side? Arent you doing the same thing only in reverse?
"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2
"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
Sure as fuck the game last night was an aberration
Wood was playing for the Nugs and Spooner and Mauer were playing for the Jazz. If all three would just call the fucking game the Nugs wipe the floor with the Jazz, period.
It certainly is possible for the Jazz to continue their hot shooting as well as for the Nuggets to make poor decisions
That’s not an argument. For example, other things that are entirely possible: Bulls coming back and taking 4 in a row against the Cavs. Dirk Nowitzki scoring 10 ppg over the rest of the Dallas-SA series. Deron Williams scoring 50 points on Friday night.
Is it probable that the Jazz continue to play extremely well despite missing Kirilenko and Okur? Well, because of Sloan, it’s leaning more toward “probable” than “possible.”
And it doesn’t look to me like jpage is saying one win is “true” and the other is an “aberration.” He said that Utah has had to play extremely well to win (true) and that a loss in game 2 does not necessarily mean losses in games 3 and 4.
by Uh on Apr 20, 2010 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions
During the regular season, Utah had the highest point differential in the West @ +5.3
Despite injuries, it’s going to be different on their home court. I know we can win this series, but it’s dangerous to assume we’ve got this in the bag. That’s the same attitude that contributed to dropping so many games to sub-.500 teams during the regular season. Pragmatic optimism, not blissful ignorance.
by Artimus Mangilord on Apr 20, 2010 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions
EVERY GAME IS GAME SEVEN
I want to see the Nugs play with this phrase on their minds.
The Nuggets can play well enough to win Games 3, 4, and 5. But they can also play badly enough to lose Games 3, 4, and 5. It’ll most likely fall somewhere between these.
by Uh on Apr 20, 2010 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions
It's weird because at that moment
there was a period in the 4th quarter where the refs actually swallowed their whistles for a bit. Physical play was being allowed and there were a couple of strips and turnovers by both teams. This was in sharp contrast to the way the game had been going up until that point. We ran a full court press for the last minute or so and ball pressure was the goal.
However this was a bad decision by Melo, especially with 5 fouls. He had gotten 2 previous offensive fouls one which was blatantly obvious and a few questionable ones on flops. Stupid decision but that’s his 6th foul and I thought it was a bailout call after Miles lost his dribble and stepped out of bounds. Not smart at all but does that change the fact it is a bad call and wasted effort by Melo? I beg to differ
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by runningdonut on Apr 20, 2010 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions
I can see why Melo fouled him...
LOOK WERE CJ’S HAND IS!!!
This loss wasn't the ref's fault.
I for one, do think there is preferential treatment for big market teams when it comes to reffing (it is a business after all). But again, if the nuggets played defense for more than 2 minute stretches, this shouldn’t have even been a contest. As for Denver never getting calls like this, I think I might remember a game winning 3 last year that the Nuggs totally lucked out on.
also...
I 100% blame the refs for making this one of the biggest snooze-fests I’ve ever seen. This is the playoffs, let them play the damn game for longer than 15 second stretches.
Sure it shouldn't have come down to that, we should have played better defense, etc
But it DID come down to that, and it was still a winnable game. What should have been a chance to take the lead became a 3-point deficit. How on earth did the refs NOT lose us that game?
it was a no call on a defensive foul by the other team
They were trying to fuck the nugs by not calling it and it bit them in the ass. This example fails the test, try again.
by Gasus on Apr 21, 2010 12:03 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Thats a blatant miss right there.
pretty bad. pretty bad. Game-deciding, we’ll never know. Whose to say Melo doesn’t get a charge for his 6th foul next possession afterward? Or Chauncey doesn’t shoot another outlandish 3 early in the shot clock? So much time left that the only ever game-deciding calls in a close game is one within maybe 5 secs, at most, of the end of the game. this on the other hand didn’t stop you from executing well even without Melo for the next couple possession you had the ball, which didn’t happen. With advantages all-around, losing Melo shouldn’t cost you a game against the Jazz. Just saying. Execution in the end of that game was a far bigger boon than losing out on one possession.
Well said, Marty Mart.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Apr 20, 2010 5:55 PM MDT up reply actions
It was a clean steal to boot
The NBA handed this one to the Choir. It was obvious last night. Now, even more so. The Nuggs played like shit, but they picked and they chose when to intervene and sure enough, sure enough, Sloan got his way. Just look at those flops (zeitgeist style!) that were the purest of pure obviousness. Then the clean steal by melo, causing him to foul out, WHILST!!!! the Utah scrub was obviously out of bounds. The only thing that keeps me watching the NBA is the Denver Nuggets that I have loved ever since I was born — I only wish I were 25 still.
My level of hatred for the Utah Jazz, though I didn’t think it possible, just went up a notch. Utah wouldn’t know what to do if they didn’t have a Choir team that has cheated and gotten away with it decade after decade. The only thing good about Utah, is that they’re mostly Broncos fans. The only thing bad about the Broncos are the Broncos. Where does that put Utah?
very bad call
but still what a stupid fucking foul by melo. he clearly reached. what an idiot, seriously.
and chauncey with the horrible execution at the end too. man what a frustrating game
That was a clean steal
Normally in late in the game situations they let them play and as far as I am concerned, considering Utah’s number of well timed flops, that was NOTHING. Seriously, that was nothing. And then to have the ref staring right at what wasn’t a flop (that they call and are always completely obvious), but was an obvious step out of bounds, thus making the play Melo was making on the ball either legitimate or the foul illegitimate. What a scam. What seriously are refs good for? Miss that, call this.
I just saw a post on the Utah blog — “That was a clean flop”. The conversation is pretty good so far.
that was definitely a reach dude
and the point is it’s retarded to reach in that situation. just play defense you just needed a stop not a steal. giving them free throws that early in the shot clock was just dumb.
It's not a reach if you're defending your package
Man Code
by Joelsopinion on Apr 21, 2010 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder why no rule enforcement?
May 29, 2008 ESPN- The league’s pledge to crack down on flopping was conveyed to team representatives. NBA executive vice president of basketball operations Stu Jackson confirmed the new policy Wednesday night saying: “What was clearly expressed to the committee is that we would begin imposing fines next season(’09) for the most egregious type of flops. When players are taking a dive, for lack of a better term.”
clean flop, haha
did anybody catch melo on e60 earlier 2night
i missed it but a friend of mine said they did a follow up segment on him
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
aye thanks man, i thought i would have to wait 4ever to see it
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
It was a blown call (Spooner) +
It was a dumb foul (Melo) +
It was poor shot selection (Chauncey) +
It was horrible defense (again) +
It was disorganized (AD) = A LOSS
This was the same unfocused team we saw for the last three weeks of the season.
The Jazz were hungrier and better coached.
Why are you surprised?
I am not surprised.
But I am disappointed.
Holy shit hahahaha
man oh man oh man
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by runningdonut on Apr 20, 2010 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Wow.....just.....wow
That takes the cake right there
"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2
"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
you know....with the supposedly "tough as nails" Jerry Sloan coaching this team
you’d think that he wouldn’t care for floppers. Funny
"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2
"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
It's a culture of acting
that’s reinforced by refs. I don’t blame the players, but Stern and the decision-makers of the league. It’s embarrassing, and completely gives the game a black eye. Talk about stunting the growth of a popular international sport.
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Way to go
The still frame fails to show the 3-4 times Crymelo fouled CJ before he stepped out of bounds. The ref was trying to let them play and not foul Crymelo out but he gave the ref no choice. How about crying about the fact that Dantley’s horrible coaching had his best player, with 5 fouls, full court pressing so hard? What about crying that he misused his timeouts so poorly that you didn’t have a chance to set up a play to try to tie the game at the end of regulation?
So if you feel better now because you were able to find a still frame showing that AFTER many fouls had been commited, that Miles was forced out of bounds, then more power to you.
The scoreboard still read the same thing and you still got PUNKED in your own house by a team down two starters.
Horrible argument
that brings up so many questions. Ok I keep hearing that melo fouled him earlier, ok then why didn’t the ref call it? The ref missed melos foul, missed the out of bounds play, missed ol boy grabbing melos junk, and then 5 steps down calls a foul on melo. Horrible call their period, no excuse for missing a guy stepping out of bounds. Plus what melo did to miles on the full court press was nothing compared to the way miles was rapping melo in half court sets. I hope nuggs are as pissed as me about this and come out and put a hurt on the jazz!
Why no call before?
The ref is trying to let them play. It is a tight game and he wants to let the players decide it. But after Crymelo reached in for the 4th time, riding him the whole way, he gave the ref no choice.
Keep crying. You still got punked by a team down two starters.
by Crimsonred98 on Apr 21, 2010 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
Don't feed this troll
No other SB nation membership or following. Joined just earier today to talk shit.
Boo this man
by Joelsopinion on Apr 21, 2010 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions
LMAO! WHAT A LOSER!!
LAUGH OF THE DAY
In time the criticism turns to praise
Carmelo balled hard, relentlessly attacking the bucket-Colin Powers
Crimsonred is not a troll
He’s just an idiot. He hasn’t been to the Jazz or Lakers or any other SBNation site.
By the way, few people here, if anybody, like the Crimson Tide.
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#3 + #6 + #15 + #1 = #25
48 minutes
basketball is a 48 minute game. Referees miss call the whole game. Players get away w/ fouls the whole game.
So, why does this call/miss call matter a lot???? This call didn’t decide the outcome of the game…players did.
Funny how fans always blame the refs every time their team lose.
Give it to the Jazz…they don’t have starting center & small forward..they still won(they aven had a double digit lead @ 1 point of the game). Give credit where credit is due.
I agree
Jazz deserve credit for their play. But to say that call didn’t have and affect on the outcome is ridiculous
Every call
Every single call has an affect on the outcome of a game. There were missed calls both ways. There was a HORRIBLE call against Williams on Billups that put him on the line.
The difference? Utah hit all their free throws while Mr. “big shot” choked his away.
by Crimsonred98 on Apr 21, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
All I have to say
is look at the picture. Calls are one thing, but to not see a dudes foot out of bounds is bogus, especially when it results in losing our star player for the rest of the game. I’ll leave it at that
it's a STILL FRAME
It’s a PICTURE. How about we take a look at a video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN19iy8bCwA
Start at 2:17. In between 2:19 and 2:21 there are 3 or 4 times Carmelo fouls CJ. Until he finally reached in so far that the ref couldn’t just “let them play” anymore.
So congrats on finding a PICTURE that shows a foot on a line. But the video is MUCH better proof.
by Crimsonred98 on Apr 21, 2010 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
LOL
You are a troll in it’s ultimate definition. Go back to your shitty state and try to find some beer.
Crymelo
Have you found his smile yet?
You guys are STILL crying about this two days after the fact. Just can’t get over the fact that you got COMPLETELY PUNKED by a team down 2 starters.
by Crimsonred98 on Apr 21, 2010 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Video your ass?
Yeah… why use video when we have such a new technology in still frame photos, right?
by Crimsonred98 on Apr 21, 2010 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Punked
you’re a joke. 3pt win is punked? (1-3 in the pepsi center this year by the way) so congrats on getting a W in denver FINALLY. The video and the pic show that dude on the line, so not quite sure what your pt is. Oh thats right that melo fouled him before that, then why didn’t ref call it? then the ref shoulda called it then and there wouldn’t be an argument. It was a blown call. Like Andrew says STIFFED!
Melo will be having the last smile
Down Down Down Utah going Down
Definitely punked
You just lost on your home floor to a team down, not one, but TWO starters. That is the DEFINITION of punked.
(Congrats on being 1-3 against us so far this year. A lot of good those two regular season wins are doing you right now)
by Crimsonred98 on Apr 21, 2010 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Game 7
You have to GET to game 7 first and you aren’t beating Utah on their home floor.
by Crimsonred98 on Apr 21, 2010 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Just ask who?
Just ask the best player/team to ever play the game?
Just ask a Pheonix team who can actually beat the Jazz when they are down two starters?
Just ask a rookie who had a career night during the regular season?
LOL
by Crimsonred98 on Apr 21, 2010 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions
psh
Take Sloan out back in mid-March, Jazz miss the playoffs entirely.
by ParkHillNative on Apr 21, 2010 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
hmm
body of my comment above was supposed to say “If Sloan had gone out in mid-March and missed the rest of the season, Jazz would’ve missed the playoffs entirely.”
by ParkHillNative on Apr 21, 2010 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Jerry Sloan
I definitely agree. Phil Johnson has only been the Jazz assistant coach for 18 years. He barely knows the system and couldn’t get the Jazz into the playoffs as acting coach like A.D. did.
by Crimsonred98 on Apr 21, 2010 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions
whatever
I don’t know who the assistant coaches are on other teams or how long they’ve been there. The real point is, only a stupid idiot would try to downplay what a blow it was to the Nuggets when Karl went out. If it weren’t for that, the Nuggets would’ve been the 2 seed.
by ParkHillNative on Apr 21, 2010 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Karl's leaving
Had a huge impact on how well the Suns and Mavs closed the season. Definitely.
Try sounding just a little educated next time you try to say something.
by Crimsonred98 on Apr 21, 2010 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions
tsh
You’re the idiot who keeps trying to downplay the loss of Karl.
Nuggets would’ve finished ahead of the Suns & Mavs with Karl on board, regardless of how those teams finished. Are you actually not capable of understanding that? I can’t dumb it down for you any more than that, so try sesamestreet.com or something if that’s still too difficult.
by ParkHillNative on Apr 21, 2010 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions
The Nuggets played games against Phoenix and against Dallas without Karl
They lost both games. If Karl had been here, their chances of winning those games increases by a substantial amount.
Let’s say they split one of those two with Karl. That puts them at 54 wins. Now, Karl also missed a game against the Knicks, which although the refereeing in that game was awful, the Nuggets could have and should have won. If GK was there, the Nuggets would almost certainly have won, seeing as they had just started to hit their stride against sub-500 teams.
That puts them a 55 wins. Dallas had 55 wins. In this case the Nugs are in the 3 seed or the 2 seed depending on if they won against Dallas or not.
Karl’s absence may not have affected the Suns and Mavs at all (outside of two games), but it certainly affected the Nuggets.
by Uh on Apr 21, 2010 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions
knick loss had nothing to do with karl
nuggets got off to a 12-0 start. they allowed the knicks to score 31 points in the 2nd quarter. that game was similar to game 2 against the jazz. denver got off to a good start then allowed utah to score 63 points in the 1st half. both games NEVER SHOULD HAVE COME DOWN TO A REFEREE’S CALL IN THE 4TH QUARTER. w.c. fields once said, “NEVER GIVE A SUCKER AN EVEN BREAK.” denver deserved to lose both games and it is nobdy’s fault but their own.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
Those regular season wins
Gave us the Northwest Division crown. Learn how to show some respect little guy
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by runningdonut on Apr 21, 2010 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Should we start preparing for your complaining about the referees costing Denver game 3 now or should we just wait until the game actually starts?
Seriously man, let it go.
Denver fans can’t have it both ways.
You don’t want the reach in called on Melo but you want the call of stepping out of bounds called.
You want the refs to “let them play” and so they do. Melo was clearly bumping all the way up court and that in turn forced the Utah player to step out of bounds. There probably wouldn’t have been ANY call had Melo not stupidly reached in and disrupted the Jazz players dribble which finally forced the referee to make a call.
Keep blaming the referees two days later. It still doesn’t explain Denver allowing a team down it’s starting center and main defensive stopper to beat them when they were at home and had the momentum of a game 1 win.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Apr 21, 2010 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Did not blame refs
for Denvers L. Utah played better period. It was a missed call and you jazz fans know it
Let them play?
You have mush in your head buddy. Who in their right mind would say the refs let the teams play the other night? Go suck smog.
So angry.
“I have mush in my head”.
We’re you giving me the Denver Nugget “tough guy” stare through the computer while you typed that?
You’d better be careful…
I’ll call a bogus foul on you and then you’ll have an excuse as to why you lose at life!
P.S. Here in LA we’ve cleaned up our smog problem pretty well in the last few years, actually.
We wave the Larry O’Brien trophy at it and it floats away toward the Rockies!
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Apr 21, 2010 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions
See?! You're not so angry!
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Apr 21, 2010 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions
The whistle wasn't blown on Melo until him and CJ were almost to half court
CJ stepped out of bounds about 15 feet from the end line.
"I know the game of basketball is one-on-one (oriented), but the pain of beating a defense by the pass — it confuses and frustrates the defense more than just going by a guy one-on-one." George Karl
I agree with you. (And actually you mean the mid-court line, don't you?)
That’s not in debate.
the argument we were having is what the Nugget fan in question wants. Essentially, he wants it both ways. He doesn’t want Melo called for riding Miles out of bounds on the dribble but he wants the step out called even though it was Melo riding himout of bounds that caused it.
My contention is that there didn’t seem like there was going to be a call either way and the ref was just going to “let them play”, however, Melo forced the referee to make a call by foolishly swiping at the ball at the end of the play. Miles was out of control and (at least in my eyes) was on the way to commiting a turnover when Melo made the mistake. Melo, knowing how important he is to the team and knowing that because it was so close that he would need to be around for that “last shot” should have been smarter in that instance.
When would you ever see Kobe, ’Bron or Paul Pierce put themselves in that sort of position at the end of a close game?
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Apr 21, 2010 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions
All of the time
They hack their fucking brains out and there is never a call. Give me a break dude. You decide to come over here and blast about how refereeing is fair in this game. You are delusional at best and a blatant asshole more likely. Your team never gets shat on like this so you don’t know what it feels like. You shouldn’t have an opinion because you are not qualified to comment on this subject. Get lost man. Go talk to Laker fans about what you are wearing to the game and what celebrity you are going to sit next to.
Actually...
I never once said how I thought the refereeing is fair.
What I said was, if there really is some sort of “bias” against any one team (which there isn’t as far as I’m concerened), the PLAYERS need to adjust accordingly and play the game. Whether you or I (or the players) like it, the REFEREES are the ones in charge out there. And since the NBA, a corporation that we have no involvement in, (bear in mind, this isn’t some sort of government or public run entity like a school board, or police force, this is a privately run “company” that is there to entertain us, we don’t get to vote or participate in anything involving what decisions are made within said “company”) hires the refs and apparently feels they do a competent enough job not to remove them, nothing is going to change. If you feel it’s bias or “fixed”… why partcipate?
Essentially you’re viewing it like wrestling. With preditermined outcomes and wins and losses decided by whichever “guest GM” is around that night. Is that REALLY what you believe? That the heads of the NBA sit around a big table and pre-determine who they want to win a series or which franchise they want to keep down through a series of secret manuevers and referees with unknown “vendettas”?
REALLY?
P.S. And one more question… why is it that fans of the Lakers are assumed to be “bandwagon” fans? That we don’t care about the game but instead worry about what we’re wearing and who we’re sitting by? I’ve followed this team since the 70’s, had my season tix since the late 90’s and have been a die hard the whole time. Is it my fault that my franchise is successful and we have an owner that will pay whatever it costs to keep us that way?
Would I be more of a “real fan” if my team has suffered through decades of poor draft picks, failed expectations and post seasons spent in Cabo instead of on the court? Does suffering equal real fandom?
Give ME a break on that. I’d sure like to know how many of the people holding season tickets for the Nuggets now weren’t before Melo got there. Or how many people were walking around repping Nuggets gear and not every other team’s before the recent success started.
We’ve ALL got bandwagon fans, my friend. Deal with it.
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by Themanthemyththelegend on Apr 21, 2010 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions
That's not consistent
With your earlier argument that Denver’s players childish and boorish behavior is the reason dictate the referee’s stance
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by runningdonut on Apr 21, 2010 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions
He's a fucking troll Laker fan
Same shit different toilet from them
Now you're looking for anything to argue about?
I’ve maintained the whole time that referees are human. They’re fallible. They make mistakes and have emotions. And if you know a particular referee is short-tempered or "confrontational, why macho up and “tough guy” stare or argue with someone and amp up a situation.
there’s nothing wrong with players using their brains and assessing a situation and trying to figure out a way to make it most beneficial to them instead of posturing, complaing and making it worse.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Apr 21, 2010 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions
If you know a particular player is short tempered and competitive
then why deride them for defending themselves to the referees. They don’t have the power to change the call. It should have no effect whatsoever on the referee. And if it does, that’s not excusable. It has nothing to do with emotion
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by runningdonut on Apr 21, 2010 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Because one of the two you just mentioned is in charge and the other is not. It's simple really.
If your supervisor is short-tempered and you’re short-tempered, who ultimately is going to get to be short-tempered?
The one in charge. It’s simple.
And the players are NOT in charge. The inmates don’t get to run the asylum, no matter how much they (and apparently you) think they should. That’s not the way it works.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Apr 21, 2010 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions
A player's reaction has no bearing on whether the call is justified or not
It’s just a natural reaction. Every team complains about them from time to time, even the Lakers. The officials need to be fired if they are going to let it influence them to the point where it affects their decision making.
Your just launching personal attacks on the Nuggets players, as if they should be signed out for “childish and boorish” behavior. Still don;t get what your implying by that by the way
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by runningdonut on Apr 21, 2010 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Once again
A personal foul is a subjective call, it’s up to the refs interpretation whether or not it’s a foul. The out of bounds call is a back and white violation. GO back and read the original post again. We didn’t blame the outcome of the refs. It’s not wanting to have it both ways, it’s wanting it the correct way.
What don’t you understand about that?
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by runningdonut on Apr 21, 2010 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Why are we re-hashing this?
You’re right. A personal foul is a subjective call. The refs were “letting them play”, which is what a lot of Nugget fans on this board were yelling for.
So he let’s them play. Miles stepped out as a DIRECT RESULT of Melo riding him along the out of bounds line. I contend that there would have been NO CALL EITHER WAY if Melo wouldn’t have foolishly tried to poke the ball out and hit Miles across the body which jarred it loose and forced the referee to make a call he wouldn’t have otherwise.
It is wanting it both ways. Nuggets fans are stuck on a screen shot of a player stepping on the out of bounds line but somehow can’t quite see the body foul being commited before.
You either want them to just “let them play” or call it by the book. You can’t have it in the middle because the that when real subjectivity comes in and EVERY blogsite would be flooded with complaints about something missed or called that caused their team to lose.
Pick your poison, rd.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Apr 21, 2010 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions
One thing is debatable and one is not
Miles being fouled is your opinion
The out of bands missed call is fact.
You’ve even admitted yourself, friend
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by runningdonut on Apr 21, 2010 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions
What's debateable is you missing the entire point of what I just wrote and have been writing.
I’m positive you’re either not getting it or just blatantly ignoring something you know deep down is correct and I’m sure you want to make sure the rest of the Nuggets fans on here know your defending the honor of Denver against this “troll”.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Apr 21, 2010 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Admit
Your argument has nothing behind it besides your opinion.
When you look at the truth and the facts behind the situation, Denver got screwed on this particular play, and there is no justification or excuse for it. This was one situation where the rules didn’t apply or were completely ignored.
I value your opinion, and while you yourself may know deep down it’s correct, the facts say otherwise. That’s just the way it is friend.
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by runningdonut on Apr 21, 2010 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Actually, I think I have an excellent argument and have written it quite clearly.
You on the other hand, seem desperate to make an argument on one single point that I’ve already agreed with you on all the while ignoring every other salient point I’ve made.
So why are you still writing? Seeing as how you initially started writing to me?
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Apr 21, 2010 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions
The problem I have with it is this
What you are saying is that this play happened as a direct result of a missed call, as Melo fouled right away. I don’t agree with that, but it is debatable. Even if it is a foul, you are saying the refs missed that call, and made it up by allowing the out of bounds movement. Two wrongs don’t make a right, you don;t balance out a mistake on one side by another mistake on the other. Your either calling it by the rules, or you are not. It’s as simple as that
The second part of it is, you have been taking cheap shots at the Nuggets players and the Nuggets fan for defending themselves. The only reason I see for that is you have a personal dislike for the way they play and react to the game. Agree to disagree on that one. Personally, I don’t like all the flopping being committed on the Jazz side of the ball. It’s the singular reason why they have gotten more calls in this series and are competitive with us.
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by runningdonut on Apr 21, 2010 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions
In response...
On your first point what I’m trying to say is, as refs tend to do in the last few minutes of a game, he swallowed his whistle and just “let them play”. Melo was making plenty of body contact chasing Miles along the baseline and was actually working towards forcing him out. The ref, paying more attention to the body contact late in a game and less to the player’s feet MISSED THE FOOT GOING OUT OF BOUNDS on a single step. Now again, as I said before, the referee was forced by Melo to finally have to make a call at the end of the play when he went from body contact to actually slapping at the ball. He swung his arm and made contact with Miles’ arms and chest which caused him to start to lose the ball. At that point it’s impossible to just “let them play”.
The only call the ref “missed” was Miles’ foot stepping on the line. There’s no question of that. but the fact is that if the referee’s hadn’t gone to that old adage of “swallowing their whistles” at the end of the game, Melo picks up a foul when he bumps Miles early and we never have this conversation.
Instead we’d be having a conversation about why Nugget fans are so angry that the refs just won’t “let them play”. I completely agree with you when you said " Your either calling it by the rules, or you are not. It’s as simple as that…" I just don’t think either way was going to make nuggets fans happy because either way they have no one to blame but their own team for this loss.
I’m sorry you think i’ve been taking “cheap shots” at the Nuggets and their fans. Whether you believe it or not, I really like the team and I said so on this board after the Lakers beat them in the WCF’s. As a matter of fact, I said “If this team can get it together mentally, my Lakers will be the one’s going home for the summer after the WCF’s next year”. If I’m hard on this team it’s because I look at them more “logically” than a fan does with his “heart”. This team kills itself with horrible mental mistakes and totally inconsistent play. There is NO WAY this team should have had to rely on the Phoenix Suns to win the division for them. This team should have been hungry enough and angry enough all season to wrest the number one seed from the Lakers just on principle alone. They and their fans felt and said they were the better team after the WCF’s ended and all up into the beginning of the season. Instead, they meandered and lapsed at key points this season and let it get away from them. And they meandered and lapsed again in Game 2 and let a golden opportunity to choke out their already wounded opponent get away from them. So to me, they still haven’t learned anything from last season. I won’t give them the leeway a real fan would because as a fan of the GAME, I can see how talented this squad is.
“Those who do not learn from their mistakes a destined to repeat them”.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Apr 21, 2010 7:09 PM MDT up reply actions
In the words of Charlie Murphy
CJ Miles is a habitual line stepper – look at the picture for proof.. and he is also coping a feel there… that definitely is line stepification.
hahaha
he’s a habitual line stepper. He’d cross the line and I’d have to kick his ass.
by GottaLoveMelo on Apr 22, 2010 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Y'all trippin
Yeah, he stepped out….it was a missed call – BUT, Melo had fouled him at least twice before he stepped out – what about those missed calls?
Get bent!
palabra a su madre
So if nuggs lose
its “oh utah is down 2 starters” if they win it’s “oh utah is down 2 starters”
news flash okur going down actually helped Jazz, AK couldn’t stop melo anyway
whats next harping retired and we should sweep
You don't know basketball.
Utah being down 2 starters puts Denver at a huge advantage. They’re defense and offense are depleted. Even if you don’t see the value in AK and Okur you have to be an idiot to think a team that’s bench is stretched thin – and made up of mostly undrafted & 2nd round pick scrubs, doesn’t put Utah at a disadvantage.
palabra a su madre
by chicagorilla on Apr 21, 2010 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
They are?
Huh? Crazy they’re the only team battling injuries. Thanks for pointing that out. Being from Chicago I’m very ignorant to the sports scene so I don’t know what’s going on in the league.
palabra a su madre
by chicagorilla on Apr 21, 2010 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions
yous guys from chicagagh tink yous know everyting
i was wonnerin what dat smell was. i tought it was me.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
what's your big problem dare chicagorilla
did da internet run outta pictures of tom boerwinkle. now dat is a handsome physical speciman of a man. closest to dick butkus i’ve ever seen- no homo
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
We may not know everything.....
But at least we can spell.
palabra a su madre
by chicagorilla on Apr 22, 2010 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Hoops is from the Chicago area I think.
He’s just pissing with you.
by Joelsopinion on Apr 22, 2010 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
I'll give it to the Jazz for stepping up but...
when you have something as black and white as out of bound or not, the call needs to be made. Its nothing like letting them play or calling a tight game. If its out, its out, period. The Jazz out played us but it definitely helped have some obvious calls missed.
The Jazz have gotten lucky in the last little bit with calls (OKC)
Lets hope the Nuggets come here to UT ready to play and take control from the start.
You mean like the excuses we've been hearing for two days now after Denver lost and now no longer has home court?
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Apr 21, 2010 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Jazz
won, they deserved to win, they played better.
But to say that it didn’t affect it is wrong. To say that Melo fouled way earlier is wrong, dude was out by a mile (or a foot)
Give me a break.....
“To say that Melo fouled way earlier is wrong”, if the tables were turned and Melo stepped out you’d be pissed at the Utah fans pointing out the fact that Melo stepped out when he had clearly been fouled before hand. Utah fans can’t let the Jordan “push off” go. Your view is biased bro. Yeah, there were several missed calls, but what do you do? It’s basketball and the refs aren’t perfect.
Denver should have never found themselves down at that point in the game on their home floor, especially when the Jazz started the 4th quarter with a group of players most teams wouldn’t dream of signing.
From reading your comments you either think the Jazz are a championship contender in their current state or you think Denver is a worse team than they actually are.
palabra a su madre
by chicagorilla on Apr 21, 2010 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions
You can?
You are trying to predict something in the future. Yet we have two days worth of crying and excuses from Nugget fans and I don’t have to predict the future to see it.
by Crimsonred98 on Apr 21, 2010 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions
That's entirely possible
you know why? THIS IS A BLOG….we are Nuggets fans venting. We are under no obligation to be consistent or rational in our arguments. As I’m sure for whatever team you follow it’s the same thing. That’s the beauty of blogs.
You think you got us pigeon holed and thats fine. I hope you are disappointed in your prediction. However, welcome to Denver Stiffs. Hope you enjoy our Nuggets talk. :)
"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2
"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
Well....this thread certainly brought out the trolls
I will give this to “themanthemyththelegend” he’s certainly more respectful than most Lakers fans. Not a troll
Actually it’s made the thread that much more entertaining and I’m quite looking forward to game 3 now.
"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2
"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
Thanks jpage.
I don’t mean it as disrespectful. I try not to come off that way.
I’m just always fascinated with fans thought process after games and with the referees.
Een though I was “warned” previously, I give Denver Stiffs a lot of credit. It allows for a lot of debate and back and forth between fans, win or lose.
Unlike other blogsites and the people who run them who pretty much openly invite their fans to read what other blogsites write about their teams or match-ups and go over and “comment” about them but will ban any other fans who might go over and do the same on their site.
That to me is the ultimate in cowardice and fans like those on Blazersedge actually revel in the fact that they can go to another site and pop off but are completely insulated from it on their own site.
Good luck the rest of the series, jpage.
"Remember kids......... petty and cheap shot-ish doesn't make you a true fan, it just makes you petty and cheap shot-ish."
by Themanthemyththelegend on Apr 21, 2010 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions
thanks man
Please keep coming back. Nate does a great job of letting people vent and he even participates in some game threads. We may yet convert you to be a fellow Stiff yet. lol
Wishful thinking.
"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2
"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
My God
It’s one thing if your foot just barely graces the line, but his foot is almost half out! Unbelievable.
"Jive turkey is a little over the line my man!"
"I'm kinda grumpy today, dude. I didn't get a lot of sleep last night. I was having those dreams again. Ya know, how it's just me in a castle and I gotta fight, like, a thousand wizards and the only way to beat them is to punch them as hard as I can in their faces. Then, when I'm done, all their little wizard wives came out and wanted me to have sex with them - which is kinda weird."
What did CJs 5 fingers say to Melo?
SMACK !!!
I had to
go over to funny or die just to rewatch that skit…gold
by Joelsopinion on Apr 22, 2010 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Same here..
Renewed interest in the Dave Chappelle skits today.. Watched Charlie Murphy about 5 times :)
To the guy saying the refs didn't call the foul because they were "letting them play", but then had to call the foul:
If the ref had called the foul at the instant the guy stepped out of bounds, that would be a fair assessment. But he didn’t. The play kept going, and a few strides down the court Melo gets called for a foul.
The bottom line is the ref HAS TO BLOW THE WHISTLE as soon as someone steps out of bounds. If he calls a foul there, then its fine with me. If he calls out of bounds, also fine. But waiting for 2 more strides and saying “yeah, I didn’t call the out of bounds earlier because you were riding him” is totally illogical and actually quite stupid.
This is a blown call no matter how you look at it.
I dont think people are tripping and saying THIS direct call/non call made us lose.
Its just the fact that he’s clearly over the line….and the ref is RIGHT, RIGHT there which makes it so blatant.
Doesnt change the fact that D-will (best pg in the league imo) and Boozer (ugly Duke man) abused us, but damn.
Didnt expect to sweep the Jazz so its whatever…I still have the Nuggets in 6.
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