Big man play is optional... (Nuggets/Celtics recap)
Putting it lightly, the Nuggets have picked an awkward time to lose three straight games. Let's welcome Utah to joining us atop the Northwest Division standings.
As implied in the header for tonight's recap, the Nuggets got nothing out of their big men at the TD Banknorth Garden. That means you Nene, Johan Petro and Chris Andersen. Yes, the Celtics Kevin Garnett is one of the all-time greats. But nevertheless the Nuggets should be embarrassed that KG's performance on one leg far exceeded that of the Nuggets big man troika combined.
Beyond the absentee performance from the Nuggets three biggest players, our team did so many things wrong tonight that I think you have blame the team's collective lack of energy as the culprit for the defeat, as cliched as that sounds.
Having gotten themselves into an unnecessary dogfight with the lowly Knicks in New York the night before, the Nuggets were clearly gassed against the NBA's elder statesmen in the Celtics. From the opening tip onward, the Nuggets defenders were stuck in the mud, routinely being beaten on the glass (Boston had twice as many offensive rebounds as Denver) and allowing the Celtics offense to become a layup line drill throughout the first half.
By game's end, that lack of energy translated into being out-rebounded by nine and turning the ball over 17 times to the Celtics 11. And what about the 30 assists interim head coach Adrian Dantley said the Nuggets had to get during his first quarter interview on ESPN? Well, one team did...but it was the Celtics whose 30 assists topped the Nuggets total by nine.
In spite of the drubbing, Carmelo Anthony and J.R. Smith gave a spirited effort to close the third quarter and almost made a game of it. But what was a seven-point Celtics lead entering the fourth quarter quickly ballooned back to double digits and then some. Unfortunately, basketball isn't played two-on-five.
Just when we thought the Nuggets might use head coach George Karl's absence as a source of inspiration to gut out a few extra wins, it appears as though an assortment of injuries, their head coach's absence and the overall weight of the season could finally be dragging them down. Is this interim coach Adrian Dantley's fault? Is this Chauncey Billups and Melo's fault for not taking more responsibility defensively? Is it management's fault for not stocking the lineup with an extra big man? Or Karl himself's fault for having such a tight lineup all season long that's finally being worn down? As I've always said, success has a thousand fathers and failure is an orphan - so let's not make any orphans here today. And lest we forget that - in theory - the Nuggets remain on pace to match last season's win total of 54 (as predicted by Nuggstradamus, by the way) and could still finish second in the Western Conference if they can right this ship sooner than later.
But regardless of who's to blame for the Nuggets sudden struggles, put me squarely in the "concerned" category. And I'm not alone. At game's end, ESPN announcer Hubie Brown said: "I'm worried about Denver. I'm worried about their body chemistry."
That makes thousands of us.
Non-Stiff of the Night
-The Celtics Big Four: When Rajon Rondo posts a triple double and is not the clear Non-Stiff of the Night, you know the Celtics had a balanced effort. Rondo, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce killed the Nuggets tonight.
Stiff of the Night
-The Nuggets "Big" Men: Nene, Johan Petro and Chris Andersen combined for 10 points on 4-for-10 shooting, grabbed a semi-respectable 17 rebounds but pulled down a mere three offensive rebounds. The diminutive Rondo himself had six offensive boards.
Opposition's Take: Celtics Blog
Photo courtesy of AP: Elise Amendola
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I'm still here
Just digging out and getting back to work. /sigh @ Nuggets play of late
Swats.
by Colin Neilson on Mar 25, 2010 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Billiups looks like his (terrible) pre-injury self
Chauncey’s play of late reminds me of how poorly he was playing before the ankle injury. As soon as he came back in the 4th quarter, he did 2 oles to rondo coupled with some terrible shots…when he is bad/off, he’s as bad or worse then iverson at his worst! No heart tonight.
This teams Mental Toughness really
should be questioned right now. I hate when the MSM says it about the nuggets but they do not look like they even care right now. They should be pumped to win for their coach who is battling for his life. The should be busting their asses to win every game and to try and win a championship for GK. Instead they are crumbling under the pressure. It is sad a team with this type of talent is playing this bad late in the year. People always say Chauncey is the key for Denver but now we see it is GK and Martin. Chauncey helped last year but he is not glue of this team. Martin and GK are the glue of this team and Martin is the Soul of this team. Without them the players look lost and confused. It does not help that we have that joke AD as the temp head coach. This team is very frustrating because when EVERYONE is healthy they could win a Championship. It is very sad to watch the chance to win a ring slip away like it is this year. I still have faith but it is getting harder to believe it will happen this year. I would be nice if we could win just one Championship.
by gnarlybroncodude on Mar 24, 2010 8:07 PM MDT reply actions
Birdman and Kenyon
Kenyon is, as you know, out. Birdman can barely stand.
Nene is not a cutter. He’s an old school, post up, back-to-the-basket, bang em down low kind of big guy. Bird and Kenyon are the slashers with the big ups. And those two are grounded. Petro is in the mold of Nene, but with less meat on his bones, and less talented.
With no movement in the paint, Denver becomes limited to a jump shooting team and an isomelo team. They got away with it for a while when everyone was raining it from downtown. Now that the shooting percentage has come down to Earth, we see the real Denver Nuggets, sans Martin and Birdman. Don’t be so mad at the current team not being able to replicate Bird and Martin’s production. K-Mart meant everything to this team. Don’t forget that.
Ok
But is it too much to ask for heart? Sure they can’t replicate Bird and K-Mart’s production, but surely they give as much effort as he does.
What this team needs is heart. Miles and miles of heart.
I think that’s from a movie. :)
yeah thats my point though
Ranking Nuggets players in terms of pure energy and heart
1. Kenyon Martin
2. Birdman
3. JR Smith
4. Ty Lawson
see what i mean? #1 and #4 have been out for like a month. #2 is a shadow of the man he once was because of his gimpy leg. #3 still has the heart and energy. Its just that his floaters won’t drop.
Yeah
but the effort is not absent throughout games. Sometimes I’d see 2-3 minutes of good basketball, then they start relaxing. But whatever, I hope they come to a point when they say, “you know what, fuck this. let’s start winning.”
-1 for #3
any player that walks off the court when he is substituted for in a game has a major deficit in the heart department.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
have you ever tried forgiveness
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Todd Helton - Thanks +17
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-Chris Paul
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
maybe the brain department
kid’s got heart and energy can’t deny it
by jb22 on Mar 24, 2010 8:50 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
He’s just, um, not that intelligent?
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
Can we not get into a dispute that questions JR Smith's intelligence?
Unless we’re talking about basketball IQ
Did you really just say JR lacks heart
now thats funny and just completely wrong
by gnarlybroncodude on Mar 24, 2010 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Bad nohoops Bad
JR walking off the court like shows that he is all heart and emotion just a little thin skinned. Not every player wants to take the last second shot, JR wants to be out on the court bc he believes he make a difference. I don’t think ot just about the pay check for him like it is for some other guys
"I know the game of basketball is one-on-one (oriented), but the pain of beating a defense by the pass — it confuses and frustrates the defense more than just going by a guy one-on-one." George Karl
by NuggetsLife on Mar 24, 2010 11:46 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
This is crazy!
Where’s Melo on your heart list? Seriously. He’s got the heart… as much as anyone on this team… sans maybe K-Mart. His defense doesn’t show it but he ultimately puts forth effort 99% of the time to win games.
Nuggets need to give Nene the ball
maybe we shoulda drafted Blair…?
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
Oh, and AD
Hubie Brown – AD, you don’t get a bonus for savings your timeouts…i think that says it about all about AD – can you say DEER IN THE HEADLIGHTS? I cringe every time the TV pans to Dantley’s confused face.
Seriously, past 3 games we've finished the games with 2+ timeouts
WTF? AD doesn’t know what’s he’s doing, so let’s make a broomstick the headcoach.
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
Van Gundy and Mark Jackson
are fucking horrible announcers. They are the worst on any network. I have to watch any game on mute that either of them do
by gnarlybroncodude on Mar 24, 2010 8:14 PM MDT reply actions
they are probably covering the Lakers
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Todd Helton - Thanks +17
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-Chris Paul
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
yeah and even if they were?
i think van gundy is hilarious. I love when he has the nuggets. I don’t mind Marc Jackson personally but i know 99% of the nation hates him.
by the way…………go look at Josh Smith’s game winning put back dunk in the game against Orlando tonight…….oh my goodness play of the year without a doubt
Mark Jackson is the most biased analyst I've ever heard for a Lakers...er national broadcast team
Van Gundy is just a doofus.
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Todd Helton - Thanks +17
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-Chris Paul
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
that was great...play of the year?
too early to tell
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Todd Helton - Thanks +17
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-Chris Paul
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
you whats even more amazing
not even his first putback-buzzer beating-game winning-dunk of the season.
did it earlier this season. what a beast. sorry, hawks are my 2k team, love watching them play.
I agree Mark Jackson can be biased, but it comes with the territory of being one of the two greatest NBA franchises in history. Unless the Nuggs can start going deep in the playoffs on a consistent basis, we are nothing better than the Jazz team that made it to the WCF that one time but never plays well on the road. I hate saying that but its true.
It’s not really disrespect when Denver hasn’t really done much….ya know?
I don't even mean only the Nugs. He's a douche to the Magic...and well any team not the Lakers
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Todd Helton - Thanks +17
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-Chris Paul
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
no...i just rewatched it 10 times
i’m sorry that is the play of the year so far. Better than Kobe’s game winner. Better than D-Wades dunk on Varejao. Way better than JR’s dunk.
They are covering the laker vs spurs
game
by gnarlybroncodude on Mar 24, 2010 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions
+1
Van Gundy sucks hard, worst commentator ever.
Chris Marlowe is the man!!!
by distortedman on Mar 24, 2010 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Jon Barry and that one old guy were on ESPN
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
Boston is one of the most aggressive defensive teams in the league
No Kenyon in this game equals a loss. Back to back, home, away, every day of the week and twice on tuesday. I was hoping for a Boston choke job too, but we were over matched from the start.
Jamadrian Dantwelch hasn’t been able to get this group playing with passion since the home stand last week. The Nuggets swagger is being slowly and painfully beat out of them as the games get tougher. I’m not trying to blame anyone, I’m not sure how to fix it. Something has got to change though.
Go Nuggets
why blame AD
Regarding energy and passion: given the circumstances of Denver’s current situation, the onus is on the (veteran) players to bring the energy. not AD. AD has never been a head coach before. Even if he was a rookie head coach, he would have had the offseason to prepare himself mentally and get on-the-job-training. He just got thrown into this headfirst, and coincidentally got the reigns when Denver was playing its best offensive basketball of the season. This is the first rough patch OF HIS ENTIRE NBA CAREER. He will obviously have a hard time handling it at first.
By the way, the Nuggets didn’t lose this game because AD didn’t call a timeout here or there. That’s just dumb. The negativity can snowball after a 3 game losing streak, but lets not go questioning the use of timeouts here.
AD
Some fairly good points, but the fact that AD Is in over his head, that is obvious. Agreed he was thrown into a no win situation, but some of his rotations are horrible and the fact that he sat Lawson and stuck with AC through 3 straight ineffective games, even though Lawson was supposedly available for the last couple of games is just frustrating.
uh...did you not see Ty Lawson play tonight?
he had 2 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, and 3 turnovers. and the turnovers were brutal ones too, including a lazy pass from the right wing to the left wing
although the one where he stepped out of bounds wasn’t his fault.
AC only played 4 more minutes than Lawson tonight
he had 2 points, 1 rebound, 2 assists, 0 turnovers.
Ty needs to be worked back in. Only superstars get thrown back in the mix headfirst after being out. Keep in mind Ty has been out a month.
Lawson should have gotten
all of ACs minutes. When Lawson is available to play AC should not get off the bench. Lawson needs the playing time to get back into the offense for the playoffs. AC is not be playing in the playoffs if Lawson is healthy. A rusty Lawson is a better then a 100% healthy AC
by gnarlybroncodude on Mar 24, 2010 8:46 PM MDT up reply actions
ac is the rod smith of the nuggets
just sayin’ again and again and again
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
that is the stupidest fucking comment ever
you obviously know nothing about football when you compare AC to Rod Smith. I am surprised more people that are also Broncos fans on this site are not offended by this comment.
AC=sucks and career back up
Rod Smith= HOF player considering his numbers and he was undrafted.
You can not compare the two.
AC=sucks and a career back up
Jay Cutler=sucks, overrated, dumbass, crybaby,
Shit AC is superior to Jay Cutler because he does not cry like a little bitch
by gnarlybroncodude on Mar 24, 2010 8:56 PM MDT up reply actions
gnarly brings him up whenever possible
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Todd Helton - Thanks +17
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-Chris Paul
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
I just bring him up Rod Smith
who is one of the best WR to ever play in the NFL. He is also a great person and played the game right.
by gnarlybroncodude on Mar 24, 2010 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Well nohoops4u
is a bears fan, thats why i bring him up
by gnarlybroncodude on Mar 24, 2010 8:58 PM MDT up reply actions
but Cutler has an arm. What does AC have
but i’m with you. stop the rod smith comments.
Lets just agree on some points.
Ty playing 48 minutes wasn’t going to save Denver tonight. They got pushed around in the paint. Ty wasn’t going to change that.
Here is my opinion. Either Ty should have played his normal minutes or not at all. Throwing him in for 8 minutes didn’t give him much of a chance. But if they didn’t play him at all, they clearly know something we don’t guys. Really. I mean they watched him at practice all this time.
Cutler has a big arm
that just throws INT. Big arms do not win you games. AC acts like a professional and understands how to act like and adult. This is something Cutler does not have.
I agree with you on Lawson. Either play him his normal minutes or do not play him at all
by gnarlybroncodude on Mar 24, 2010 9:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Gnarly
you ever thought about the possibility that nohoops is saying that just to see what kind of responses he can get? and you are falling right into the trap? Really if you find the comment to be that incredibly stupid(and it is) there is no need to respond over and over again with a serious tone.
Proud member of Thuggetz nation.
I know what he is doing
I choose to respond because it is a very ignorant comment but its typical coming from a bears fan.
by gnarlybroncodude on Mar 24, 2010 9:05 PM MDT up reply actions
To be entirely honest
you getting so mad at the comment is a little but funny as well, at least to me. I’m only saying that because I don’t want you to make yourself look ridiculous. I get what you are saying and if I believed nohoops was serious I would by right on board with it, but I don’t think he is so ignoring it is probably the best route. He may stop with it if everyone does.
Proud member of Thuggetz nation.
melo was a -13
wtf is that all about? he had 32 points.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
the opposing team went up 13 points while Melo was on the floor
you ought to stop messing around with those Cows
Well AC aint no Rod Smith, but give the man some respect
Yes its true he isnt always good but there are many games where he totally shines even if its only for a brief moment.
Remember when he had 12 assists vs OKC twice (march 11, 2009, March 3, 2010)
remember when he had a great season as a starter in 2007-2008
remember that great steal he had on Dwight Howard on january 13, 2010.
Give the man respect for the good things he has done not only on the court with the Nuggets, but as a person for the city of Denver.
If you have better GAME than he does, why arent you the back up point guard?
by distortedman on Mar 24, 2010 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Why the heck do you always compare AC to Rod Smith????
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
Nohoops actually just thinks he's funny
And sometimes people think they’re funny, that’s all.
AC bashing is so fucking lame at this point. But I guess since we’re not “grown up” fans that can have a little perspective after a three game losing streak while missing our coach, our defensive leader, and major energy from Ty Lawson who has been out and needs a little time to get back up to gamespeed, then YES! AC sucks!! Right?!
by SternfluffsKobe on Mar 25, 2010 8:55 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
I am by no means an AC fan, but I thought he filled in admirably for Lawson. And it’s not really AC’s fault whether AD puts him in or Lawson. He just goes in when his number is called. I mean what is AC supposed to do? “Oh no thanks coach, I think if I go back in it will upset a few guys on some random fan board known as Denver Stiffs.” Not that I’m condoning AD bashing either. You’re allowed to criticize your team, but there is a difference between bashing and criticizing.
anthony carter is the rod smith of the nuggets
SERIOUSLY. i mean every word i said. i will also admit that i know damn well some of these so called broncos fans will get mad. i double dog dare anybody to run my comment by rod smith, john elway or mike shanahan. they will agree with me 100%. i used to watch shanahan play football and basketball when he was in high school. you know the man that invented rod smith. the coach that brought an undrafted player to denver, that was cut by the patriots because of injury and put him on the taxi squad. rod smith was brought in because of his character and work ethic. ac will never achieve the things smith has in terms awards and stats. ac is the ethical equal in terms of professionalism, hard work, commitment to the community and dedication to his team.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
He hadn't played for several weeks
you can’t expect much right away, that’s why he needs to be out there more right now, to get his rhythm back.
Proud member of Thuggetz nation.
This sentence
“the fact that he sat Lawson and stuck with AC through 3 straight ineffective games, even though Lawson was supposedly available for the last couple of games is just frustrating.”
This shows AD is incompetent. There is no good reason to play AC over Lawson. That is something GK will not do and has not all year. Even as a rook Lawson is the starting point guard on most of the teams in the NBA but he is stuck behind Chauncey
by gnarlybroncodude on Mar 24, 2010 8:44 PM MDT up reply actions
what did Ty do tonight that makes you all mad that he didn't play the whole game?
Ty played 8 minutes. AC played 12. It’s not like AC played the whole game. AC had a better game than Ty. Lawson is rusty, and it’s best to bring him back slowly. 2 of Ty’s turnovers were just bad…
If you want AC to play of Lawson
you are just Crazy. yes Lawson is Rusty but he will not get the rust off without playing time. 8 minutes is not enough to shake the rust off. Yes AC has played fairly decent since Ty got injured but the last few games he has been nothing short of terrible. I will take a rusty Ty over a healthy AC any day of the week.
I also never said he should play the whole game. I said he should get AC minutes. 12+8=20 minutes. Not even close to a full game. He is not going to break that rust off by playing 8 minutes a game
by gnarlybroncodude on Mar 24, 2010 8:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Speed
Lawson’s defense on Nate Robinson was pretty good forced him into taking a really bad contested three pointer with the shot clock running out. I thought Lawson should have matched up on Rondo with Chauncey on Robinson while Robinson was essentially playing the 2 guard.
"I know the game of basketball is one-on-one (oriented), but the pain of beating a defense by the pass — it confuses and frustrates the defense more than just going by a guy one-on-one." George Karl
by NuggetsLife on Mar 25, 2010 12:05 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Ty Lawson has the capabilities to score 20 points in a game on several occassions
when was the last time AC scored over ten?
Who gives you the best chance to win in the playoffs, between AC and Ty?
Who did GK award the backup PG role to after the job was up for grabs?
What happened to Ty that made him lose his spot?
Why waste time bringing him back when you’ve got few winnable games left?
I say no more
by runningdonut on Mar 24, 2010 8:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Lawson was statistically bad
but plays great D and was the only guy out there who had a chance at stopping the penetration of Rondo and Robinson. Outside of KMart, (and Birdman when healthy) probably our second best glue guy. I don’t think its coincidence that the one time we showed a tiny bit of life was when he was in the game. As soon as Chauncey came back, ball stopped moving and layup city. Just sayin. Hopefully the team will get it together, and Melo will start to play both ends again.
I think its almost a draw when Lawson is healthy.
AC brings veteran smarts, and heart, and some halfway decent D and can hit the 3pts.
Lawson is quicker and plays decent D and hits 3pt.
During the playoffs, I say AC/Lawson are platooned.
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Todd Helton - Thanks +17
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-Chris Paul
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Reguarding Bird
I’ve been worried about him since he first got that goddamn knee injury. He’s been getting worse lately and one has to wonder if he’s going to be able to do anything in the playoffs. I think it’s time to just sit him out for a while. Do we need him? Yes. However, his contributions have been going down game by game.
As for the game today, it was worse then last night. One can argue that it was a 2nd on a back-to-back, but that’s no excuse. They’re professionals, and it’s the NBA. They should of been able to win both games.
As of now, the only game I see the Nuggets winning is in Toronto, considering they’re struggling too.
it is always darkest before the dawn
the knicks and celtics game show nene is not a starting forward in the nba. that does not make him a bad guy. petro is limited and this game shows why he is a 3rd string center. that does not make him a bad guy. coach dantley was forced into the head coaching position under the most difficult circumstances. that does not make him a bad guy. kenyon martin is the best defender and team enforcer. that makes him a baaaaad guy. take any team in the nba that will be in the playoffs. take away their head coach, best defensive player that is also a starter. what would utah be like without sloan and boozer?
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
he's not a starting foward in the nba?
he’s the only able and talented big man we have on the court. Petro is limited talent-wise. Bird is limited physically. Nene can’t do it all on his own.
by jb22 on Mar 24, 2010 8:36 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nene is too bulky for forward
Of course, he has to be since he’s playing center. If we actually get a center, then Nene will just lose some weight and play PF. He’s like 6’9" and 260 lbs, but he was around 245 earlier in his career. For comparison measures, Josh Smith is 6’9" and around 240.
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
agree 100%
stating nene is TOO BULKY is total bs. ever hear of charles barkley? nene is 6’11". look at highlights from the knick game. david lee is 6’9". nene through no fault of his own lacks basketball IQ and relies on athleticism instead of the fundamentals. he has a great advantage at center. being a starting center in the nba is a big job. expecting him to play forward is asking too much. he does not have the endurance to chase a forward around on defense. he has limited game facing the basket.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
good post
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Todd Helton - Thanks +17
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-Chris Paul
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
this was one of those games that make me question my positivity
I mean….Melo seems to be the only one giving 100% effort. Bird just doesn’t have it physically….Nene is weak mentally…Chauncey is getting tired.
I’m hoping that they pull their heads out of their asses with enough time to do SOMETHING. Toronto kinda sucks…so maybe we can get well against them. Who knows.
"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2
"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
Well..
I also thought we could win against the Knicks, so I’m kinda no longer expecting any wins in this road trip. I’m hoping for wins, but not expecting.
Big picture view of the road trip
The Nuggets were going to lose in Orlando and Boston. We don’t have Kenyon, we are greatly outmatched in terms of size and both the Magic and Celtics can match our shooters. It would be great to win those, but there is no shame in a loss so long as they don’t give up.
They dropped the NY game, that was bad, but the most costly loss was to Milwaukee at home. It destroyed their confidence and extended their malaise to the Knicks. The goal is to now win the 2 winnable games left on the trip, and it will be a success. The game in Dallas is the biggest of the regular season.
We can still salvage the trip
by runningdonut on Mar 24, 2010 8:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Or we could fall flat and end up in the 5th seed
Which isn’t bad, since many people still think that the Nuggets are fine without homecourt advantage
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
milwaukee is a good team and is on fire
they have been killing it since the trade deadline. the knicks loss. well not much to say about that. we are not a good road team and its scary.
Another fucking episode?? I hate this damn show

by InboundingLobPass on Mar 24, 2010 8:57 PM MDT reply actions
oookaay? but why
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Todd Helton - Thanks +17
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-Chris Paul
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
LOST is awesome
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Todd Helton - Thanks +17
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-Chris Paul
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
HE's talking about this season
All the players not named Melo, as well as Adrian “What is a timeout?” Dantley, have seemed to throw in the towel already. Somebody needs to remind them that this is still the REGULAR SEASON. We need to do an investigation into how many Nuggets’ players have already renewed their fishing licenses.
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
..... you do realize I'm NOT talking about the television series riiiiiight?
Also whenever Nene has fewer boards than Billups…. thats just sad.

by InboundingLobPass on Mar 24, 2010 9:00 PM MDT reply actions
actually when you make a post that just shows a tv show's ad and say " i hate this show"
it is hard to realize that you’re NOT talking about the tv show.
thank you
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Todd Helton - Thanks +17
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-Chris Paul
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
This team is in serious trouble
With the way they’re playing inside on the defensive end, I don’t see them beating anyone on this roadtrip. Unfortunately, major injuries to Melo, Chauncey, Kmart, and Ty have stunted this teams long-term success.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
Um, PETRO???
But yeah, propheteer really did forget somebody. Although I doubt we can resign him to a good contract in 2011
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
Andrew
You are jinxing us with your super cocky pregames. We have had 3 straight Ls and a near miss before… Dude.
by Mason P on Mar 24, 2010 9:41 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
YES
let’s blame this skid on Andrew! Seems like the most reasonable thing to do right now
"I believe that basketball, when a certain level of unselfish team play is realized, can serve as a kind of metaphor for ultimate cooperation. It is a sport where success, as symbolized by the championship, requires that the dictates of the community prevail over selfish personal impulses. An exceptional player is simply one point on a five-pointed star. Statistics—such as points, rebounds, or assists per game—can never explain the remarkable interaction that takes place on a successful pro team."
~ Bill Bradley
~~~
http://www.youtube.com/bektur34 - denver nuggets videos
That makes sense
Also blame the hobo that gave me a funny look the other day, I swear he was wearing a dingy Jazz cap. If I ever see that hobo again, I will refuse to give him the meager change and abundant lint from my pocket.
by distortedman on Mar 24, 2010 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions
don't worry
(Wipes blood off hands)
You won’t see him again…
by InboundingLobPass on Mar 25, 2010 12:10 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
these hobophobic remarks are uncalled for
what 2 consenting adults do behind a closed door is nobody’s business but their own.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
i don't think i've ever seen a hobo close a door
but i guess it would be useful if they’re trying to hide from someone in a closet
"I believe that basketball, when a certain level of unselfish team play is realized, can serve as a kind of metaphor for ultimate cooperation. It is a sport where success, as symbolized by the championship, requires that the dictates of the community prevail over selfish personal impulses. An exceptional player is simply one point on a five-pointed star. Statistics—such as points, rebounds, or assists per game—can never explain the remarkable interaction that takes place on a successful pro team."
~ Bill Bradley
~~~
http://www.youtube.com/bektur34 - denver nuggets videos
and by someone i mean
indboundinglobpass
"I believe that basketball, when a certain level of unselfish team play is realized, can serve as a kind of metaphor for ultimate cooperation. It is a sport where success, as symbolized by the championship, requires that the dictates of the community prevail over selfish personal impulses. An exceptional player is simply one point on a five-pointed star. Statistics—such as points, rebounds, or assists per game—can never explain the remarkable interaction that takes place on a successful pro team."
~ Bill Bradley
~~~
http://www.youtube.com/bektur34 - denver nuggets videos
Kobe is wondering what’s wrong with Nuggets…
[img]http://i38.tinypic.com/rgyq1t.jpg[/img]
He’s really concerned
2#$@%# Kobe
This is when I really hate the l*kers…
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
Nene
you talk about consistency. Not this guy. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt because of his bout with Cancer.
Most Centers make it a point to get the ball. Nene leaves a lot to be desired. He doesn’t bring it every night. Five boards tonight and single digit points. Comon. He should be doing a double double most nights.
His crying is hampering the Nuggets and his pussy ass layups and finger rolls are nauseous
Trade his ass and get someone who has an attitude.
by samdman on Mar 25, 2010 2:22 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
JR
is a national punch line. As a Nugget fan (even one who DESPISES that gangbanging joker) this makes me sad. It’s pretty clear that he is 95% of the reason that everyone calls us “stupid” and “mentally weak” and I cannot disagree. Since we have no one on the bench with any balls, I am rooting for a suspension; maybe he’ll get busted for smoking dope in a strip club (“Wait, I though it’s all good to smoke shit inna strip club???”), or, more likely driving through a theatre with 3-D glasses on. I am all about doing a Tinsley here: Paying Him to STAY HOME. We automatically become a smarter, more consistent ball club. Addition by subtraction. I still haven’t gotten over this dufus going out to the hot LA Clubs everynight during the WCF last year and twittering about it. (JR in Club Beyond! Party!) Not to mention his 4/20 tweets and his Piru Blood shit.
what are you talking about?
What did JR do since the game ended last night?
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
Todd Helton - Thanks +17
"I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-Chris Paul
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
It's what he didn't do
He probably didn’t do a sit-down 2 hour talk with the media, and he probably didn’t use Oxford-style language..
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
it does bother me
that there are way too many people on this site that could so upset when people don’t use Oxford-style language. There’s no such thing as Standard English and anyone who says there is is clearly ignorant.
That is true
try moving to a different country (Canada doesn’t count, its too close) that also speaks English. You’d think there would be no problems, but trust me American English vs. British English vs. Oceania English, very very different things
Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?
You make a good point
but i’d go even further and say you don’t have to leave the country to experience that.
Did I make a point about "Oxford Style" language, or are you referring to something else?
Dude has Transformers tattooed on his neck. (!) What else need be said? If this dude dropped off the planet today, as Bill Hicks would say, “Don’t worry, the shuttle will still take off, we didn’t lose a rocket scientist here.”
The team misses Kmart
Its obvious. Best defender, best rebounder, toughest player. Lost last night because we were out rebounded, played bad defense and weren´t tough enough. The seasons not over, but without Kmart weve gone from thugs to soft.
Heal that knee Kenyon, we miss you.
It's more like our big men are being TOO DAMN SOFT
Birdman is playing on 1 leg. Nene can’t do everything by himself and isn’t good against double teams. Petro is soft. Malik Allen reminds me of cotton candy (you know, in a bad way). Joey Graham is 6’7" and 225 lbs, which is decent for a SF, but undersized for a PF.

"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
Nene.... Is that you?
Never realized Nene looked like that without his mustache.
by distortedman on Mar 25, 2010 9:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Dont forget marsh melo
And his non existent defense. All this media talk of him being a top 3 player now only applies to his offensive game. Overall game I’m not sure he cracks top ten. Opposing SF’s have just gone off these last three games and melos is to blame for most of it.
agree
elton brand is a career 20 point and 10 rebound player. he was on one of the worst bulls teams ever. he also played for the clippers and philly. carlos boozer is another carrer 20 and 10 player. gerald wallace is one of the nba’s leading rebounders this season at 6’7". melo has one career triple double and 56 carrer double doubles. this is his 7th season in the league. with the kind of talent melo has he should get a triple d and 56 double d’s every season just by accident. playing small forward he should dominate the glass at both ends. melo is one of the elite players in the nba right now. he will never be mvp until he produces on the defensive end.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
by nohoops4u on Mar 25, 2010 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brand is averaging like 5 ppg and 4 rpg on 40% from the field this season, but yeah I get your point. He was a 20-10-50 player up until he got that 80 million deal. Now he's just a lazy bum
Melo needs to focus on defense and rebounding instead of scoring. We have many players that can score.
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
Nohoops
Once again you concentrate on the wrong thing. Melo can become a more well rounded player…but hes NEVER going to be a high assist guy. He doesn’t handle the ball enough. He’s a forward…who is dependent on Chauncey distributing the ball to him. If he get’s 4 assists we should just be happy with that
Melo should focus on rebounding. We are much better when he rebounds around the 10 mark…..but let’s not try and turn him into a guard. Even Larry Bird, who passed the ball quite frequently from the small forward position, never averaged 10 assists a game.
"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2
"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
And before someone sarcasticly says "when he 'handles' the ball the offense stops"
yes….Melo does stop the ball at times….but our team has a HORRIBLE habit of never getting open when he has the ball. I saw it repeatedly last night. Also….since Melo is the only one who seems to be giving effort at a 99% level right now…you have a bunch of guys who stand and watch him.
"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2
"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
99% on offense sure.
In the next game count how many times you see Melo jog back on D and have his man score, or watch him get beat off the dribble then do a half ass attempt to block a shot or recover His help D and rotations are also arguably the worst on the team .
Soooooooo....what does this mean?
I agree he’s not giving 100% on D….but does this disqualify everything he does? No. Alex English was one of the worst defensive guys I’ve ever seen. Far worse than Melo in fact…but man he BROUGHT it on the Offensive end. He’s remembered rather fondly right now.
It’s really to pick out the faults of the best player. Much harder to look at the WHOLE team. Our biggest “culprit” right now is we have a center/power forward who REFUSES to give full effort and dominate. We have a backup Center whos beat up and can’t block out to save his life. We have a starting point guard who is GASSED and can only give it 100% for a half. We have a interim head coach who seems completely lost…and we have our best defender out till the playoffs. Yeah….there are many problems…let’s not focus on Melo
"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2
"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
Well English was a better passer than Melo
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
I agree we have alot of problems right now.
But it has to be noted when our best player is not putting effort on defense.
Did Melo run over your cat with his Escalade, Gasus?
because you seem to be quite short sighted here.
"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2
"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
LOL
I would think that those being short sighted are the ones that watch him hog the ball to 3 straight loses then blow him in print.
by Gasus on Mar 25, 2010 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Melo was one of the few bright spots last night
Did you watch the game?
Sure did
Did you? Bright spot to you is a guy scoring points. Stars aren’t bright when their team loses and they shoot 25 or so times. Bright spots are Ws and when Melo goes on his scoring binges the Nugs hardly ever win.
True
Look it up. You think it is a coincidence that the Nugs went to the WCF with Melo averaging like 23 a game? Don’t you find it funny that the Nugs win when Melo scores 20 to 25 and they lose often when he scores 25+? Happens all the time skyline.
Uh NO
In the 25 losses the nuggets have had this year, 13 of them Melo has scored 30 or more pts, in the other 12 he has scored under 30. In the 31 times melo has scored over 30 pts this season, the nuggets have won 18 times and lost only 13. So really there is no positive correlation one way or the other and thus your argument has no ground to stand on.
Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?
Im using the 30 pt standard
And not the 25 pt standard you set because when you think about it, Melo averages more then 25 a game, his team is 23 games over .500. So the argument that when he scores more then 25 points the team loses is, well, pointless…baziiiing!
Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?
You should also look at the teams records that then Nugs play when Melo scores 30 or more
I haven’t looked but I would be willing to bet that there are more sub 500 teams in there that plus 500.
Baziiiing!
Bright spot to me is when a guy puts forth the type of effort that Melo did last night
Honestly, I counted 6 layups that barely rolled or bounced out. Melo was the only guy getting any sort of offense for the team (though JR had a nice second half offensively). Chauncey was shut down. Nene barely got the ball.
When a star is facing a 21 point deficit and your teammates are either being shut down or else just not pulling their weight, he needs to step up and take over. Along with JR, Melo basically brought the lead down to 7, turning a blowout into a possible win.
So you’re calling out Melo for shooting 23 times. Okay. Let me explain why gonugs asked if you had watched the game last night.
On virtually every possession, the Celtics D would hound the Nuggets, forcing turnovers, stealing the ball, and drawing a few charges as well. Chauncey, for example, was continually trapped whenever he touched the ball in the third quarter. Add on to that the extremely sloppy play of Petro, Tacos, Birdman, and yes, Ty Lawson, who each committed a number of bad decisions and/or turnovers. Even when other players did get the ball, they would more often than not settle for a jump shot (I distinctly remember yelling NO DON’T SHOOT THAT throughout the game).
Then we have Melo. Sure, Melo took a bunch of jumpers (only a few of which went in). But once the second half rolled around, he was aggressive. He was looking for the and-1s, and for the most part he did a great job. Melo was anything but soft; he was clashing with big bodies like Kendrick Perkins, Kevin Garnett, and Glen Davis all night long, and yet he still went at it again and again because no one else was playing well.
If even half of those unlucky rolls had gone in, Melo would have had ~40 points and the Nuggets might’ve been in the game deep into the 4th quarter.
So no, Melo’s “scoring binge” this time was not particularly detrimental when the rest of the team (excluding JR) just flat-out sucked.
If you want to complain about something, complain about the free throw shooting. The Nuggets missed 12 free throws last night. Complain about Nene. Complain about Birdman. I just can’t see how this loss is Melo’s fault. The Bucks game, yeah, I can see that. Not this time.
by Uh on Mar 25, 2010 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Not to mention he grabbed a couple offensive rebounds as well
Picked up a steal, blocked a shot, 5 rebs 5 assist
wait what were you complaining about again
by Uh on Mar 25, 2010 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions
1 steal and 5 rebs in how many minutes?
How many shots again? How many times did he force his teammates to watch him play Meelo ball on the offensive end?
What
So you are complaining about him forcing his teammates to play Meelo ball on the offensive end.
ok. I feel like I outlined this earlier
by Uh on Mar 25, 2010 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions
if Melo handled the ball at the top of the key
as often as Lebron did, he would probably put up similar numbers. Lebron has the ball on EVERY possession. Carmelo does not touch the ball on every possession. In fact, he does not facilitate the offense like Lebron does. So it’s not quite fair to gripe about Carmelo’s assists. He has proven when he has the ball at the top of the key that he’s a great passer.
Lebron is magnitudes more efficient than Melo...
Whereas Carmelo, like most NBA players, declines heavily with increased usage, Lebron stays relatively constant.
He’s also not nearly the passer that Lebron is. Say what you want, but the difference in how good Lebron is compared to the 2nd best player in the league is probably the difference between the 2nd bets player in the league and the worst player.
+1
You using PER for the analysis that Melo declines with more usage?
I highly doubt your last sentence
You are really underrating the top tier players in league while overrating the bottom feeders.
by Uh on Mar 26, 2010 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions
It's a slight exaggeration, but it's not as far off as you think...
Look up Lebron’s win shares and compare it to the guy in 2nd…Kevin Durant.
It's actually an enormous exaggeration going by win shares
Then again I don’t put too much stock into win shares to tell me how good a player is, as I’m not certain as to how accurate composite stats are in general (for basketball, anyway).
But that’s an argument for another day.
by Uh on Mar 26, 2010 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Win Shares are just as much about your teammates as about yourself
If you’re a 25-8-6 guy on a 30 win team, despite whatever you do, your win share won’t be that high.
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
OK dude that's just too exaggerated
You’re saying that the difference between Lebron and Durant/Melo is the same as the difference between Durant/Melo and Darnell Lacktion Jackson? Wow
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
He's saying
That Lebron makes Kevin Durant look like Renaldo Balkman.
Oh, of course!
by Uh on Mar 26, 2010 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Anyways...
Point was LeBron just brings so much to the table in all phases of the game.
Making his teammates better, taking efficient shots, playing good defense, getting rebounds, erasing shots via blocks, etc.
I thought the worst player in the league was AC...
But yeah, it was an exaggeration…it’s more like the difference between LeBron and the 2nd best player is like the difference between the 2nd best player and the 20th best player. He’s that much better than everyone else.
Also, I wouldn’t put Melo as 2nd. I think I’d probably put Wade 2nd with Durant, Howard and Roy up there when healthy, Gerald Wallace, Dwight Howard and probably even Chauncey above Melo.
While I can see why you would put Wade, Durant, and Howard above Melo
Enlighten as to why Wallace, Roy, and Chauncey are better.
I don’t follow the Bobcats (or the weaker Eastern teams in general) so all I know of Wallace is that he gets a lot of rebounds and should have not have done the dunk contest.
Chauncey. Well. If you’re going purely by stats I don’t see this one. Otherwise, based on stats + intangibles, then okay, I’ll give you this.
by Uh on Mar 26, 2010 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Because...
Roy, at least last year, was more efficient with his possessions, played really good defense, and played better within the flow of a team setting than Melo did. He did a better job of setting up his teammates, and taking his shots within the flow of the offense. Last year Melo’s eFG% was like 46%? Roy’s was 51%. They become slightly more even when you look at TS% because Melo gets to the line a lot.
Melo brings things that Roy doesn’t, namely better rebounding and I think he’s a better scorer when more of the opponent’s defense is focused on him. Although if you look at percentage of points that are assisted, it looks like Roy is better at creating his own shot (in general guards have a lower assisted % than other positions).
Same arguments go for Chauncey. He’s not as talented as a 1 on 1 scorer as Melo does, but as far as the good things he does for a team’s offense, taking shots within the flow of the game, being efficient with the shots he takes, being a leader on the floor, he’s better than Melo is.
Gerald Wallace has probably been the most underrated player in the NBA this season. The jump in his rebounding from last year to this year is something that I haven’t ever seen. The darkhorse favorite to unseat the Magic and Cavs? The Charlotte Bobcats. Especially after the trades…they play unbelievable in the paint defense now, get tons of blocks, and rebound at a very high rate. He’s been super efficient with his shots all year, has a TS% and eFG% that are better than Melo’s, and doesn’t take bad shots. Oh, and those aren’t the best parts of his game…he’s a great individual and team defender.
I’ve probably watched like 75% of all NBA games this season…the only games I avoid are Nets and Timberwolves games.
Lebron is the Cavs' point guard, best rebounder, best scorer, and best defender
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
Those of you saying we have a lot of problems...
Are being short sighted and completely results oriented from the last few games.
Oh, we lost 3 games, it’s time to panic! This team is way better than the team that went to the WCF last year. The difference? We ran hot with injuries last year…our team didn’t have any injuries and our bigs didn’t get injured all year. What we’re seeing this year is a regression to the mean…it’s expected that some of your players are going to get injured during the season. Portland Trailblazers anyone?
This team has one big weakness, and that’s lack of big depth (imagine if we had ended up with DeJuan Blair in the 2nd round). If we don’t go far this year, I’m pretty sure our front office will address this issue in the offseason.
by chantech on Mar 25, 2010 2:22 PM MDT reply actions 3 recs
this and rec'd
"Groovy" Ash from Evil Dead 2
"No one came from miles around / and said man your music is really hot" No One Came...Deep Purple
From my understandings
Both Nene and K-Mart got hurt last year too, but Bird and Petro were able to cover for them.
If the Front Office wanted to address the depth issue, they should have done it last year after they lost to the Lakers.
They did a great job addressing our OTHER ISSUES!
Getting a replacement for Dahntay Jones and replacing AC’s minutes with someone who is not a D-League player.
I think we did a great job given our lack of cap spaces. Would it have been awesome to get someone like a Bass or a Gortat? Yeah.
I'm happy we got Affalo and managed to get Lawson
They’re not big men though. I must admit, Affalo is terrific on Kobe.
I don't think anyone would mistake Lawson for a big man...
Although, let’s say you had to prioritize what you could address in the offseason. Your bigs are adequate…in fact I’d say they’re very good, you just don’t have any depth.
However, your starting 2 guard isn’t very good and is a huge liability on offense and your backup point guard is a detriment to the team, turns the ball over, and isn’t much better than your typical D-League player. Wouldn’t you address the first 2 issues? Since, by replacing an inefficient starters, ideally you’d think the whole team would get better.
Wouldn’t you address the second issue, since you can address it more cheaply and the effects are greater? You know you’re taking a risk, but just hope for some good luck with injuries to your bigs again? I think that’s probably the direction I would go without any cap room and without wanting to pay luxury tax.
Granted, you are taking a gigantic risk because Nene, Bird, and Kmart have had history of being injured….but I feel like the thinking behind it is pretty reasonable.
I agree with the Blair part, but I disagree with everything else
This team is not better than last year’s.
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
Yeah right
Remember last year when Kenyon only missed a handful of games, there were no doubts about Birdman’s durability, and there was absolutely nobody injured at all in the last month and a half of the season? This team is way way better than last years, unless you think Kleiza is the missing link or something
by runningdonut on Mar 25, 2010 5:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Kleiza's not the missing link
but having the additional scorer off the bench (which Kleiza was despite sucking so bad last year) did keep the scoring responsibility off of Chauncey. Hopefully, Ty can shake off the rust quickly and begin to run the 2nd unit again
"I know the game of basketball is one-on-one (oriented), but the pain of beating a defense by the pass — it confuses and frustrates the defense more than just going by a guy one-on-one." George Karl
by NuggetsLife on Mar 25, 2010 10:41 PM MDT up reply actions
If anything...
JR isn’t as efficient as he was last year. Part of that is how we’re running offense. On the 2nd unit with AC, we pretty much run the “give the ball to JR and let him throw up shots over double teams” offense.
On what grounds?
There’s no way you can argue that last year’s team was better than this year’s team…
It’s the same team, only our margin of victories are that of a championship caliber team, Dahntay Jones (who was horrible by the way) is replaced with an awesome AAA, and AC’s minutes are limited.
I think they are about equal
I never said that last year’s team was better than this year’s team
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
This year's team is significantly better..
If we don’t contend for a championship, I suspect we’ll add some big man depth to try to make 1 big run…
Kleiza could play PF despite the fact that he kinda sucked
Joey Graham doesn’t have any range.
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
Kleiza was a non factor for most of the season...
Joey Graham definitely doesn’t have range…I cry when he puts up a jumpshot.
This year's team is not playing defense as well
by ParkHillNative on Mar 26, 2010 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Not as much as you'd think...
Last year’s DRtg: 106.8
This year’s DRtg: 107.3
Last year’s ORtg 110.4
This year’s ORtg: 112.3
So, this year’s Nuggets give up .5 more points per 100 possessions more than last year’s Nuggets.
We pretty much have the same defensive team we had last year (we might be a tad worse). Although, we rank lower in the league this year than we did last year compared to the rest of the league.
Our offense is even more impressive this year because the league, as a whole, has gotten better at defense! A lot of this is recent…as teams have just recently started to realize that defense is 1/2 of the game.
That drop in defensive rating seems weird
We lose a bad defender in Kleiza and an overrated one in Jones, and we still get worse? Our bench has been worse defensively. WAKE UP, JR SMITH!
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
Could be variance
I mean, .5 points over 100 possessions could just be standard swings from season to season. If last year’s exact team were put on the court this year, the same thing could happen.
I think what’s actually happening though, is it’s a byproduct of playing more games in a competitive Western Conference where you have Phoenix, Utah, OKC, etc night in and night out.
Also, for those complaining we're too "soft"
No one would have complained that the Nuggets were “too soft” last year in the playoffs when we were called the “Thuggets”.
We’ve always had undersized, more athletic bigs. Nene has always struggled against true 5’s (the 7’2" like Shaq, Yao, etc). Melo taking it to the hole and grabbing his own board through 3 or 4 guys isn’t soft.
What you’re seeing now is our bigs are undersized and rely on athleticism rather than physicality. This creates a team that’s better on defense, can run the floor, but doesn’t rebound as well. That’s fine, and usually not a problem because Melo and our guards rebound decently (not Rajon Rondo well, but good enough). What you’re seeing now is a combination of injuries and lack of depth. With the Kmart injury, we have less depth so guys like Graham and Petro who are scrubs are getting more time. Our athletic bigs are playing more minutes and Birdman is injured. An athletic big who relies on athleticism instead of size to defend and get rebounds obviously isn’t as effective when he’s injured.
This is the same really good Nuggets team we’ve been watching all season…just injured at a bad time! I’d rather have our guys rest up and heal for the playoffs than try to push for a higher seed.
melo was quoted in the denver post the nuggets played soft against boston
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
We're soft when Kmart isn't playing
Just look at us at the Knicks game and last night. Yucky
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
I can get on board with that...
When Kmart isn’t playing it definitely looks like we play a little soft. I think we’d be fine if Bird was full strength…
andersen and kenyon
protect the paint. celtics had 60+ points for the game in the paint. without kmart and chris hurting that will be another area opponents will look to exploit.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
To be fair...
A significant amount of the boards were rebounded by….wait for it…
Rajon Rondo.
He’s one of the best rebounding point guards in the NBA. You’d think one of our coaches would be like box that guy out??
Rondo is like a smaller Kidd
Except Rondo is also a very good defender. Kidd was one until his back started screwing him over
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
"He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"Keep your head up and don't let anything get to you." - Dante Bichette Jr.
Why were we soft?
No KMart and an injured Birdman. It’s not a characteristic of this team in general, well, with the exception of Nene against larger bigs, to be soft.
Also, Boston has traditionally been a very physical, well executing, slow paced defensive team. They play good team defense and they foul hard.
In contrast to the Lakers and the Zombies, it’s going to seem like Boston was more physical and we played “soft”. I don’t think we were softer than we were all season. We got outrebounded, our rotations were slow, and we weren’t making open shots.
LOL
He’s had his fair share of injuries in his career.
The one that’s most annoying? When he comes to camp fat and can’t elevate!
He hasn't been fat this year or last year
And I have a feeling that he has something, but won’t tell.
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
Because of Nene told, then everybody would want him to sit to be ready for the playoffs
And with Bird playing on one leg, our starting lineup would be Tacos and Petro, and our backups would be, well, nobody.
"Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious." - Charles Shackleford
""He’s a stiff." - The Legendary Doug Moe
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors." - Weldon Drew
"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
It's gotta be Dantley.
“Is this interim coach Adrian Dantley’s fault? Is this Chauncey Billups and Melo’s fault for not taking more responsibility defensively? Is it management’s fault for not stocking the lineup with an extra big man? Or Karl himself’s fault for having such a tight lineup all season long that’s finally being worn down?”
It’s gotta be Dantley or nobody. When George Karl was still healthy the team was dominating the “better” teams even with a 3-man frontcourt rotation of Nene, Bird and KMart. Chauncey and Melo are still producing the numbers needed of them. It is really Dantley who game by game letting the HomeCourt advantage during the playoffs slip away. I couldn’t bear to see Dantley standing on the sideline drawing up plays and making 4-guard lineups. FO please hire Mike Krzyzewski of the Blue Devils. He could back GK up when he receives some chemotherapy treatment or whatever.
























