The George Karl extension: overdue and well deserved...
If you are what your record says you are, George Karl deserved to be extended by the Nuggets. Now the coach and the organization can happily put this distraction behind them and focus on bringing Denver its first NBA Championship.
You'd think that the guy who originally launched firegeorgekarl.com would have some immediate thoughts on the Nuggets announcing Friday that head coach Geoge Karl would be extended for one more season. But the news broke as I was on my way out of town for the holiday weekend, and I'm now just getting back into the swing of things here in Denver. So please accept my apologies for this tardy commentary!
But as the guy who did indeed launch that original side, I certainly know a thing or two (or three or four or five...) about Denver's current professional basketball coach, and I can say with confidence that this extension was long overdue and very well deserved.
Longtime readers of this site know how I grade coaches and I assume many of you do the same. I look at the quality and depth of the ros ter, the relative health of the players and the quality of the competition and set expectations accordingly. Based on those expectations, I ask: did the team meet, exceed or do worse than what was expected? I like to use this "method" for grading coaches because I don't believe it's fair to say a guy is doing a good or bad coaching job just because of a few bad losses, a few bad play calls and a few bad substitution patterns. Simply put, I like macro data to judge a person's performance, not micro data.
But I'm also solutions oriented. Rarely do I rant against something without proposing a way to resolve it. And thus, in February 2008 when I was advocating for Karl to kick himself upstairs in the Nuggets organization and bring in his good friend Larry Brown to take over as coach, I was doing two things: looking at the macro data and proposing a solution. At that time, Karl's playoff coaching record in Denver was a much, much worse than expected 3-12 and on its way to being an embarrassing 3-16 after a listless, lifeless, give-the-fans-their-money-back, first round playoff sweep at the hands of the Los Angeles Lakers. Moreover, I was basing my argument on the team as constructed at the time - namely, with Allen Iverson on board. So while I never once said George Karl was a bad coach, I felt strongly back then that he had lost his connection with the players and that Brown would be a better fit for an Iverson-led team. I believed that Brown could do something similar in Denver that he did in Philadelphia and Detroit; take a collection of highly talented, big-ego guys and mesh them together for a fighting chance at an NBA title.
We all know what happened soon thereafter. Brown was scooped up by the Charlotte Bobcats, Karl received the de facto backing of Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke and management (whether that was for monetary reasons only we'll never know) and Karl came into the 2008 training camp refreshed and hell bent on changing the culture in the locker room and on the basketball floor. Admirably, Karl owned up to his past mistakes and changed things for the better of the franchise. And it worked. Not only did Karl give a "my way or the highway"-type edict to kick off the 2008 training camp, but Karl's former adversary and known malcontent Kenyon Martin had his coach's back from day one, cementing change in Denver. Iverson would have no part of it, and was promptly shipped out to Detroit in exchange for Chauncey Billups - a pro's pro - and the culture change, kicked off by Karl in the first place, was complete.
As the Nuggets won an NBA franchise-tying best 54 games and went further into the postseason than any other Nuggets team before it (remember, the 1984-85 Nuggets won just one Western Conference Finals game whereas the 2008-09 version won two) combined with the Pistons subsequent implosion with Iverson on board, we learned - or were at least reminded for those who forgot - a few things. First, we learned that Karl is indeed a great coach when ruling the team with a stern hand (as he did upon arrival in Denver when leading the Nuggets to an NBA record 32-8 finish, the best ever for a coaching takeover in league history) and having a floor general who executes his orders. It's no accident that Karl's best postseasons were when Gary Payton, Sam Cassell and Chauncey Billups were at the helm. Second, we learned that Iverson is locker room poison. I still won't use Iverson - as many will - as the lone excuse for a 60-win caliber Nuggets team finishing with 50 wins, an eighth seed and a playoff sweep, but it was clear that neither the Nuggets nor any other NBA team were going anywhere with "The Answer".
In addition, rather than use injuries as an excuse for losses as was commonplace on the 2004 through 2008 Nuggets teams coached by Karl, last season and this season's Nuggets squad has stopped making such excuses. This season in particular the Nuggets have overcome 13 missed games by superstar Carmelo Anthony, nine missed games by team MVP Chauncey Billups and five missed games by defensive leader Kenyon Martin to remain on pace for 54 wins and second-seed in the Western Conference. How many teams in the NBA could miss their three best players for 27 combined games and still be on pace for 54 wins? Moreover, the Nuggets are doing this during a season in which they've been handed a Western Conference high 22 back-to-back games and aren't surprising anyone as they did last season.
Taking all that into account, from my vantage point Karl's Nuggets have greatly exceeded expectations for the second season in a row, even with the upcoming playoffs still to be determined, and Karl was therefore deserving of an extension.
But beyond the numbers, Karl deserved to be extended for two more reasons. First, there's no one else out there who could do a better job. And second, he's an earnest guy with great values who does things the right way (more on that momentarily).
Being late to the party on this story, I've had the benefit of reading the comments on Nate's FanShot announcing the extension and seeing the names being thrown out there by Karl's detractors: Avery Johnson, Jeff van Gundy, Byron Scott, Lawrence Frank, Hubie Brown, Mike Fratello, and so on. Does anyone honestly believe that drill sergeant wannabe Avery Johnson would get Carmelo Anthony to play hard nosed defense for 48 minutes? Or that Chauncey Billups would enjoy playing in Jeff van Gundy's slow it down, be conservative offense? Or that Byron Scott - whom I've heard is downright lazy from very good sources - could pull his act on veterans like Billups or K-Mart? No chance.
If you want to argue that Phil Jackson, Gregg Popovich, Rick Adelman or Jerry Sloan are better coaches than Karl, Karl may even agree with you on that (well, he wouldn't but he wouldn't blame you for thinking it). But to suggest that there's a non-working coach (sans Pat Riley) out there who could do a better job with this Nuggets team than Karl is patently absurd.
To my second point regarding Karl's values and Karl as a person and a coach, this means something. Back in November I got to see first hand what a good, solid guy Karl is. I got to see him bring his significant other's entire family to Nuggets games in Chicago and Milwaukee. I got see his passion for his players and the game to be played the right way. I got to see his affection for his longtime friends and vice versa. And then I heard stories like the one where Karl payed Nuggets assistant coach Jamahl Mosley out of his own pocket because he felt the NBA needed more African American assistant coaches who weren't just former players. Or how he runs a foundation for lower income kids to go to basketball camps who aren't picked up on the AAU circuit. And since meeting Karl, I can't count the number of times people have told or emailed me their stories of encounters with Karl and what a great person he is. The stories of Karl's big heart are endless.
After spending time with Karl, I wrote that just because you're a good guy doesn't mean you're a good coach. But if you are a good guy and are a good coach, shouldn't that mean something? Shouldn't there be rewards in life for those who play by the rules, work hard, do things the right way and give others ample opportunities to succeed? I certainly think so, believe so and hope my own future - wherever it leads - pans out based on those principles.
So while Karl's loosey-goosey coaching style may still have us racking our brains. While his perceived nonchalance during the first three quarters of most games will continue to drive fans - including me - nuts. While he remains somewhat arrogant and downright stubborn about his coaching (although that has changed greatly over the years...like we saw recently when Karl took the blame for the J.R. Smith pouting incident). He's our coach for the next season-and-a-half and I'm damn happy about it.
Congratulations to George Karl and Bret Adams (Karl's longtime friend and attorney) and to the Nuggets organization for getting this deal done. Now let's get the Nuggets to the NBA Finals already!
Photo courtesy of AP: LM Otero
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First off, two things
1) “Taking all that into account, from my vantage point Karl’s Nuggets have greatly exceeded expectations for the second season in a row, even with the upcoming playoffs still to be determined, and Karl was therefore deserving of an extension.”
Andrew, I don’t know if you remember or not, but we almost made it to the Finals last year! We aren’t exceeding expectations currently, even with all the injuries we have had. We are doing what we are supposed to do.
2) “Congratulations to George Karl and Bret Adams (Karl’s longtime friend and attorney) and to the Nuggets organization for getting this deal done. Now let’s get the Nuggets to the NBA Finals already!”
I understand the congrats given to Karl, but what the hell does his attorney and friend have anything to do with this?
As for the write up. Although Andrew, you flip flop more than a dying fish out of water, I can’t really disagree with you. Karl has done a great job here and your whole point about the micro vs macro really resonated with me. Often times I think we can get so flustered with Karl’s lack of attention to detail that we forget how good we are in the grand scheme of things. But you still have to wonder, if he just did a few of the little things right (they don’t say it’s the little things that matter for nothing) would we have made it to the Finals last year?
And as far as the coaching names go. I don’t believe many of the guys I mentioned on Nate’s post would actually be good replacements for Karl, I was imply trying to refute the fact that people seem to believe there isn’t one good coach out there on the market. That’s total bull shit and I was just trying to make that clear by dropping names. I fully admit, the extension really caught me off guard and to be entirely honest it kind of scared me. To say that Karl did a great job last year coaching I think is a bit overboard. Chauncey saved Karl’s job and changed our opinions of him, and that’s how I see it. I give Karl credit for the commitment to defense, but other than that I didn’t see many differences in his coaching style from the year before. Basically Karl’s postseason record just scares me. All I ever dream about is winning a title and I don’t think it’s taboo for me to say that I really don’t have a lot of confidence in Karl’s ability to win in the postseason. I just really wanted the season to play out before Karl got the extension because you really never know what can happen in the postseason. Look at how much better Dallas has become over the last several days, and now Utah is playing great ball as well and on our trail for the division title. No thing is certain in the postseason and I just wish Karl could have earned his contract extension there, not in the regular season.
"Jive turkey is a little over the line my man!"
by GoldenNugget on Feb 15, 2010 1:13 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Karl is a pretty good coach....but I think somone on the radio said
that George is the Marty Shottenheimer of NBA coaches….and I think that analogy is probably most appropriate. He will rack up tons of regular season wins, but may not have what it takes to kick you over the top.
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That's unfair to Mary Schottenheimer
There’s a difference between teams choking in the playoffs and being flat out unprepared for situations. George Karl teams are routinely unprepared, mismanaging in game situations, etc.
George Karl is more like the Norv Turner of NBA coaches.
6-2, 185 LBS
That’s how Karl is listed on Wikipedia. I think it’s been a while since he was 185.
The issue is moot at this point, but I agree with GN about exceeding expectations this year. I don’t see how anyone can say that the team is anything but underperforming. 54 wins? Go back and ask yourself if you expected anything less than 60 coming into the season.
Also not a big fan of the micro vs. macro thing. As they say, the devil is in the details. In my job, we can do a job 98% right and have a 100% unhappy customer. Got to pay attention to the details. Last night was the perfect example. At the end, the East has a play with multiple options that gets the second option a wide open layup. I don’t know how many options the West had, but the result was a contested, off balance three.
The extension was too early, but it happened, and now we’ll live with the consequences. Hopefully we’ll get more of the 32-8 Karl from his first season. Who knows, perhaps worrying about his future was impacting his performance and he’ll be lights out the rest of the way.
The Nuggets have had their big players injured for a TON of games and also have close to the most (is it the most?) back to backs in the league this season.
If you’re still touting how they should still be on pace for 60 wins and it’s the fault of nobody but Karl after all that you’re deluding yourself.
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by UZ on Feb 15, 2010 4:31 PM MST up reply actions
Pace
If this team beat the teams it was supposed to beat (7 or so below .500 on the road) they would be on pace for 60. No excuse for losing those games. None. 54 wins is the same number as last year. Is this team with Lawson and Aflallo replacing A.C., Jones, and Kleiza not better than last years team? Oh and a 60 win pace would put them in contention for the best record in the West, which could be crucial.
As for overcoming the injuries, the credit for that goes to K-mart for stepping it up two notches above the best he has ever played in Denver, and Billups for likewise stepping up and averaging a career high in points.
you're right
This team should be on target for 60 wins … regardless of the injuries. However it wouldn’t make a difference at the end of the day. Whether we get 60 or 55, we’re still gonna get the 2 seed. The lakers are gonna get more than 60 … and I don’t see Dallas or SA or Jazz (never mind the rest) getting more than 54.
At the end of the day … I couldn’t care less about getting the 2 or the 8th seed … we’ve proven that we can beat the Lakers at LA and I’m more than confident that we can beat any other western conference team in a 7 game series whether we have home advantage or not.
The real question is … will Karl get in the way of that? Hopefully not ….
just curious
What gives you the confidence that the Nuggets can win in the playoffs without home court advantage? Because I don’t share that confidence. Just looking at their recent playoff history, the only series they’ve won have been when they had home court.
Quite frankly, if it were up to me, I’d just throw in the towel.
by ParkHillNative on Feb 16, 2010 10:59 AM MST up reply actions
Optimisim eh?
Are you going to change your KarlSucks to something other?
Just asking as I can’t swallow this BS and keep wanting to puke all over some of these …….
I'll do it when
a) I see evidence of substantial improvement by Karl. The recent decision to start talking to and coaching J.R. smith and the recent use of more plays during games is a good start.
or
b) The team achieves what I thought it should for Karl to get an extension. That is at least 6 games into the western conference finals and not losing games in the WCF due to coaching errors.
In asking you this question
I was inferring that I’m sick that he got this extension and if you gave up the handle I was going to take it over or maybe I’ll do the Big Loser
Hmmmmmm....
Also from Wikipedia:
“Karl then moved on to the Continental Basketball Association (CBA) as head coach of the Montana Golden Nuggets (Great Falls). As coach of the Golden Nuggets, Karl won CBA Coach of the Year twice, in 1981 and 1983.”
GoldenNugget = George Karl?
*COUGH* *COUGH*
George Karl suddenly drops dead, choking on a cough drop after KarlSucks’ brilliant investigating. Looks like we really do need a new coach.
"Jive turkey is a little over the line my man!"
by GoldenNugget on Feb 15, 2010 7:58 PM MST up reply actions
He deserved it, but I still think he could do better
Karl is, of course, a very excellent NBA coach. I think he’s proven that throughout his career. I still will harp about his use (or lack thereof) of the bench and the way he can alienate players. I won’t bother detailing his short rotations – they are what they are, and despite the possible long term ramifications, it seems to be paying off well enough in the short term.
I still was somewhat dismayed by the JR Smith situation. Hearing that Karl, the head coach, does not talk regularly with JR was somewhat shocking (I’m not even sure how accurate those reports are, to be honest). Karl is there to coach, to get the best out his players. If that takes the coddling of JR’s ego, if that takes swallowing your own pride and letting JR win whatever stupid mind games he’s playing, I think you do that. You’re being paid (now 4.5M) to get guys to play their best.
I think his intentions are great, I just wonder sometimes if the way he handles players can be a little self-destructive. In his own defense, however, and as you pointed out, one can compare the current JR. Smith situation to Kenyon Martin. Considering how quickly that relationship turned around, and I think due credit has to be given to both Martin and Karl, maybe there is hope for salvaging Smith.
by George Karl Marx on Feb 15, 2010 1:16 PM MST reply actions
I love Karl
I think he’s a great coach. Sure, he’s had his disappointments in the playoffs, but other than a handful of guys out there, who hasn’t? Heck, take away Phil Jackson, and who is a great playoff coach?
I think this is a difficult bunch to motivate on a night in and night out basis. Their losses have been 95% on the players not showing up, imo. Yet Karl gets these guys to play against the better teams for the most part and has them in positions to win in most of those games. He has benched AC in favor of Lawson. I think he is just starting to get JR back on track.
I think this team can win a title this season. It would be nice to add one or two pieces should reasonable trades be out there, but I like this team, I like the 8-player rotation without AC. I wish they were contending for the top seed, but hopefully they’ll nab number 2 and beat fricken LA.
And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.
8 player rotation?
How can you support running our players into the ground and leaving the bench isolated and unprepared?
Oh, I wouldn’t mind him using the bench a little more during the regular season, but during the playoffs an 8 player rotation is probably best, no? I was just saying I’m glad AC isn’t a part of it and Lawson is. I also don’t think he runs players into the ground. I look at the box scores and am often surprised by how evenly the minutes are distributed.
And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.
by Bob in Boulder on Feb 16, 2010 9:21 AM MST up reply actions
Playoffs fine but...
I think 8 man rotations are way too thin for the grind of the regular season. I am also glad AC is not part of the rotation, but giving Petro, Allen or Balkman minutes has several advantages. I think resting our three bigs a bit more so they are fresh for the playoffs, and giving these guys some confidence would be helpful. Especially if one of our big three (knock wood) go down with an injury. Minutes now might equal confidence later. At least play them on second nights of back to backs when fatigue is clearly an issue for all NBA teams. I think its absolutely ignorant to keep a short bench on those nights. But, yes I agree that in the playoffs the current 8 rotation will and should be used.
+1
"Jive turkey is a little over the line my man!"
by GoldenNugget on Feb 16, 2010 1:42 PM MST up reply actions
I'm a Karl fan
But I definitely have my criticisms with his coaching style. Namely the tight bench rotations.
What I think Karl is best at, though, is letting the players play. NBA coaching is nothing like NFL coaching, which is about strategy and gamesmanship. In the NBA it is about matchups and chemistry. This is why Karl likes his tight rotations. NBA coaching is about managing players and their egos.
The fact that Iverson played well in Denver and there were no major flare-ups in his time here — yes the team underachieved — but imploded in his next two stops in Detroit and Memphis shows just how good Karl is a this important facet of the game.
There was a great story in the Sunday Denver Post about Karl’s relationship with Melo. It was nice to know that Karl is frustrated with Melo about the same thing us fans are: Melo’s lack of passing out of doubleteams and commitment to defense. It is great that a coach can be critical of his best player but show the faith in him.
I like the contract extension. It helps us fans know that the team will be in the title hunt for at least one more season.
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Vise Versa
Melo is probably frustrated with Karl as well don’t you think?
Don’t like the extension in that GMK has had five years and he is on the same path good regular season and no Gold Ball
My whole argument
This team would be in the hunt for a title regardless of who’s at the helm. I really think that with or without Karl we would be in the same position, only we could actually believe that we at least have a chance at beating the Lakers.
"Jive turkey is a little over the line my man!"
by GoldenNugget on Feb 15, 2010 8:01 PM MST up reply actions
I think most of us are going to judge GK by how things go in the playoffs this year.
I like GK, hope we do well and all that.
Here’s to hoping GK & the Nugs deliver.
Next summer
There is the CBA lockout issue and the impending circus of free agency to worry about (Nugs won’t do anything in free agency next year). These issues would make it difficult to find a good coach with the long term future of the team pretty uncertain. Then I’m sure Stan is still pondering whether or not to keep all these high priced players and a luxury tax team afloat by selling draft picks and filling out half the team with minimum 1 year deals. The only thing that matters is win now and I’m okay with this 1 year deal which fits in with that. Karl also has a staff that works with these players. Whether lean years are coming or not we just need to enjoy what we have now
"Iverson would have no part of it"
Not questioning your “fan advocate” creds or anything here ‘Drew, but I never heard anything that one of the reasons that Iverson was shipped out was because he wasn’t happy with Karl putting his foot down. I thought it was purely a business/basketball decision.
I guess I’m asking…do you have any citations for this believe? Anything Iverson/Karl/Wark said that shows that Iverson was discontent with Karl’s new direction and so put his head on the block?
Mostly, I’m just curious.
Swats.
Good lord
For a nuggets team or any team, for that matter, that is second in the west, well over .500 and legitimate damage doer come playoff time, there seems to be a lot of bitchin and moaning about a coach who doesn’t really ever get credit.
If you guys don’t think he has anything to do with their success and only affects the bad stuff, then I guess you’re right. He doesn’t deserve anything…
Don’t give me this crap about he’s the one holding us back…
Seriously?
Go George! Big fan here!!!
by SternfluffsKobe on Feb 15, 2010 6:14 PM MST via mobile reply actions
+1
Oh, since I have another window to enter data in, what the heck — here’s another plus one for you: +1.
For those who are keeping score at home: that’s a plus two from yours truly.
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now that all this coach's contract nonsense is out of the way it is time for serious business
get ac signed for next season. you do not want another team to swoop in and take denver’s best bench player.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
Considering the somewhat recent past;
D’Antoni (short season), Hanzlik, Bzdelic, Issel and don’t forget Mike Evans, I’d say George has done a very good job in Denver. That said, I’m conflicted on this.
I think he did his best coaching in the playoffs last year and yet at the same time, I think that the Lakers series sums up his entire tenure; close, but no cigar. For all of the excellence we witnessed in that series, we also saw a lack of sound fundamental plays (not one, but two bad side inbounds) which cost us games and lackluster performances that smacked of uninspired play and lack of motivation.
I appreciate that he has been through some odd ball players and difficult personal circumstances and yet managed to coach the team to the playoffs eah year. No trivial feat. Yet I cannot make sense of how a team can beat the best on any given night and lose to the worst on any given night. Any coach who allows that to happen on a consistent basis is a question mark in my eyes.
In the end, I think the 1 year extension is warranted. This is a vote of confidence from Stan but not a vote of approval. The team, as constructed, either wins big in the next two years or gets blown up, coach and all. It’s your team George. Make it happen.

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