Nuggets' history of good, bad & bizarre trades: Part 1
by Nate Timmons on Feb 10, 2010 6:22 PM MST
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Santa Claus, the fat man who likes to come bearing gifts (even in his Birdman form). With NBA trades teams often wind up gifting players to other franchises and that got me thinking. How many names have passed through Denver? With the trade deadline looming on Feb. 19th, let's take a look back at some historically good, bad and bizarre Nuggets deals.
Back when I was in school it was nearly impossible to get me to pick up a book, you can ask my mom. It all changed when I picked up Mitch Albom's book The Fab Five published in 1993 and plowed through the pages dedicated to Michigan's trash talking and baggy shorts wearing team. After that, on a family trip to Mexico in 1999 I picked out H.G. Bissinger's Friday Night Lights at the bookstore to read on the plane and couldn't put it down.
I was a pretty dedicated sports videogame junkie, but my newfound love of books was really starting to steal me away. Then I began reading Bill Simmons and he pointed out that the best way to become a good writer is to be an avid reader. My bookshelf is now flooded with sports and history books (even a few other genres) and my passion for reading has never been greater, although I'm not sure it's helping me with my writing.
The reason I bring this up, when I played videogames they were typically always sports games and my favorite part about gripping the joystick was being the general manager. I was the master of making trades and my hunger for making front office moves outweighed my desire to play the game itself. With just the click of a button I could assemble power house teams.
As I've grown up, if you can call it that, I'm still fascinated with front office moves and love reading about how players winded up here or there and the decisions behind those moves. While reading Bill Simmons' The Book of Basketball I came across a section on the great former Nugget Bobby Jones and how Denver made the mistake of shipping him out of town for the overrated George McGinnis. After looking through the Nuggets transactions, you realize that Denver then flipped McGinnis to Indiana for a guy named Alex English.
The Jones, McGinnis and English deal got me thinking. Who else has passed through Denver and how has one trade affected another? A great debate to have with your buddies is always the "coulda-woulda-shoulda or CWS" aspect of trades and non-trades.
Benjamin Hochman of the Denver Post recently gave us a great CWS when he revealed that the Nuggets had a trade in the works with Atlanta in 2005 and were planning on drafting Deron Williams. Think of all the CWS questions that come into play there:
- Who was Denver going to give up in that deal?
- Would the Nuggets be better off with Williams or Chauncey Billups?
- If Denver made that deal ... how do you choose between Williams and Chris Paul?
And with that ... let's dive into some intriguing deals the Nuggets have made throughout their NBA history. I'm going to try to stay on a time line here, but some mixing may come up as deals made in like 1990 directly are affect a deal in like 1993 or something. Each trade will also be labeled either good, bad or bizarre with some explanation as to why.
The Trades:
The Paul Silas sighting:
1976-77: Nuggets acquired Paul Silas from Boston in a three-team trade that sent Ralph Simpson from Denver to Detroit and Curtis Rowe from Detroit to Boston.
Bizarre: Correct me if I'm wrong, but Silas who was traded to Denver on October 20, 1976 never suited up for the Nuggets. Silas was shipped off to Seattle the next season (May 24, 1977) and was just a blurb in Nuggets history. If you remember, Silas was a member of the Celtics (1974 and '76) and Sonics (1979) championship teams and recently coached the Cleveland Cavaliers and now works in broadcasting. Had the Nuggets held onto Silas he would have missed out on Seattle's lone championship.
The Alex English acquisition:
1977-78: Nuggets acquired Ralph Simpson from Detoit in exchange for Jim Price and a first-round pick in the 1979 draft (pick ended up being Paul Hubbard).
1978-79: Nuggets traded Bobby Jones and Ralph Simpson to Philadelphia for George McGinnis.
1979-80: Nuggets acquired Alex English and a first-round pick in 1980 (Carl Nicks) from Indiana in exchange for George McGinnis.
This trade sequence gets the good, bad and bizarre treatment.
Good: The Nuggets, in a round about way, found their all-time leading scorer and the NBA leading scorer during the 1980's in a deal with the Pacers. Nine players swapped teams in the three deals leading up to English's arrival in Denver.
Bad: Denver gave up an all-time great in Bobby Jones for an overrated George McGinnis.
Bizarre: The Nuggets loved trading Ralph Simpson! Remember, Simpson was shipped off to Detroit in 1976 as part of the Silas deal, he was brought back roughly a year later in February of 1978 when Denver made another deal with the Pistons and he was quickly shipped off once again in August of 1978 in the McGinnis deal. And you thought Antonio McDyess didn't like the Nuggets' front office antics.
The Clyde Drexler misfire:
1980-81: Nuggets acquired T.R. Dunn and a first-round pick in 1983 (Howard Carter) from Portland in exchange for a first-round pick in 1983 (Clyde Drexler) and a second-round pick in 1984 (Steve Colter).
Bad: Dunn was a good defensive player and later became an assistant coach with the Nuggets, but Denver lost this trade as they wound up with the 15th pick in the 1983 draft and not the 14th pick. The Blazers took the high flying Drexler out of Houston University with the 14th pick and he went on to have a hall of fame career, while Howard "Hi-C" Carter played just one season in Denver and averaged 6.2 points before eventually playing out his career in France.
The deal to bring in the "big fella," Bill Hanzlik:
1982-83: June 17, 1982- Acquired the draft rights to Wally Walker and a first-round pick in 1982 (Rob Williams) from Seattle in exchange for David Thompson.
July 16, 1982: the NBA Player's Association won a ruling before an arbitrator which disallowed Seattle's ability to trade the rights to Wally Walker - a free agent.
July 20, 1982: Seattle sends Bill Hanzlik to Denver to complete the David Thompson trade.
Bad: David Thompson should have been one of the all-time greats and been able to finish his career in Denver. Thompson however, suffered a knee injury and battled drug and alcohol problems throughout his career and wound up being a disappointment. The man from Shelby, North Carolina inspired Michael Jordan while at North Carolina State and should have went down as one of the best players in NBA history. Thompson had some great seasons early in his career, but will always be a tragic figure in Nuggets history.
Bizarre: The player Denver originally sought, Wally Walker, was not a rookie when the Nuggets acquired his draft rights and the Player's Association won a ruling to allow Walker to stay in Seattle. So the Nuggets received Doug Moe favorite Bill Hanzlik instead. Hanz has had a pretty storied career for the Nuggets with his famous mustache, work in the community with the Gold Crown leagues, the story that when he was coaching he took the Nuggets to watch Karl Malone workout to show his team how hard they should work, his commentating and my favorite ... his use of the phrase "big fella." I don't know what would have happened with Walker, but I know I would have missed Hanz.
The Monster Kiki Vandeweghe and Fat Lever trades:
1980-81: Acquired Kiki Vandeweghe and a first-round pick in 1986 (Maurice Martin) from Dallas in exchange for first-round picks in 1981 (Rolando Blackman) and 1985 (pick traded to Boston who selected Sam Vincent).
1984-85: Traded Kiki Vandeweghe to Portland in exchange for Wayne Cooper, Lafayette "Fat" Lever, Calvin Natt, a second-round pick in the 1984 draft (Willie White) and a first-round pick in the 1985 draft (Blair Rasmussen).
Good: Two deals involving 10 players, yes please! Denver acquired the high scoring Vandeweghe for basically nothing and then flipped him a few seasons later for Calvin Natt who was a bruising power forward (before suffering a plethora of injuries), Fat Lever who is arguably Denver's best point guard ever and Blair Rasmussen who helped Doug Moe coin the phrase "Stiff" by being a big, white, stiff of a player. Perhaps Kiki remembered these deals when he was Denver's GM because he'd eventually pull the trigger on a monster player deal as well (more on that later in Part 2).
Michael Adams paves way for Doug Moe's love of little guards:
1983-84: Nuggets acquired Ken Dennard from Kansas City in exchange for a third-round pick in the 1985 draft (Michael Adams).
1987-88: Acquired Michael Adams and Jay Vincent from Washington in exchange for Mark Alaire and Darrell Walker.
Good: Denver wound up getting their 1985 draft pick back when they traded for Michael Adams. The short shooting guard leads the Nuggets in all-time three pointers made (630), but he will soon be passed by J.R. Smith who currently ranks second in Nuggets history with 572 makes (and counting). Adams was a fan favorite and possessed a very pronounced jump shot ... check this video. After Adams, Doug Moe encouraged the Nuggets years later to sign another little guard, Earl Boykins away from the Golden State Warriors.
Thankful that Mad Max was never a Nugget:
1988-89: Traded the draft rights to Vernon Maxwell to San Antonio in exchange for a second-round pick in 1989 (Reggie Turner).
Good/Bizarre: The Nuggets missed out on having a real character and perhaps a major scumbag on their team when they sent Mad Max's rights to the Spurs. Maxwell had some great seasons for the Houston Rockets and was a major contributor to their 1993-94 championship team. Mad Max definitely earned his nickname ... he once went into the stands (before Ron Artest did it) and punched a fan and that earned him just a 10-game suspension! He'd be booted from the league for at least a year nowadays. He also was the University of Florida's all-time leading scorer until the school found out he accepted money from an agent, thus washing away those records. Maxwell was also rumored to snort cocaine before college games and had a laundry list of legal issues throughout his career and after he hung up his sneakers ... just read Hubert Mizell's scathing 2004 column on Maxwell.
Scott Hastings joins the family:
1990-91: Acquired Orlando Woolridge from the L.A. Lakers in exchange for second-round picks in 1993 and 1995.
1991-92: Acquired Scott Hastings and a 1992 second-round pick (Robert Werdann) from the Detroit Pistons for Orlando Woolridge.
Bizarre: Woolridge was a scorer who needed his shots and liked his shots. The Bulls eventually let Woolridge go to give Micheal Jordan more control of the team and to bring Jordan some toughness, as documented in David Halberstam's book Playing for Keeps. The Nuggets traded Woolridge to bring in the high-scoring and above the rim playing Scott Hastings from Detroit. Hastings changed the face of the Nuggets forever with his nightly scoring binges that ranged from Did Not Play - Coach's Decision to 1-2 points a night with a typical nice hard foul thrown in. Seriously though, while Hastings rarely got off the bench in Denver he did back-up Dikembe Mutombo and wound up sticking with the Nuggets franchise as the voice of the team on Altitude TV. Who would be calling Nuggets games if Hastings had never played here? I'm a huge Hastings fan (love his radio shows and tweets as well) and I'm glad he's part of the Nuggets family. Maybe I can buy him dinner on the plane sometime ...
Chris Jackson becomes a Nugget, then becomes Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf:
1990-91: Traded the No. 9 (Willie Burton) and No. 15 (Dave Jamerson) picks in the 1990 draft to Miami in exchange for the No. 3 pick (Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf).
Good: Never heard much from Burton or Jamerson and Abdul-Rauf provided some great scoring pop for the Nuggets in his time with the team. Rauf helped lead the Nuggets past the Seattle Supersonics in the fabled 1994 playoffs. Rauf also battled tourettes syndrome and became a rising star in the NBA. His fight for his own beliefs brought the Nuggets some national attention as he elected not to stand for the national anthem before games. I'll always remember him for his scoring prowess and the night he led the Nuggets to victory over the 72-10 Chicago Bulls. I watched that game from my seats up in the rafters and that was the first time I saw Michael Jordan live and he lost. Rauf is now over 40-years-old and still playing ball in Japan.
The original Pack-Man:
1992-93: Acquired Robert Pack from Portland in exchange for a second-round draft pick in 1993 (Kevin Thompson).
Good: Before Manny "Pacman" Pacquiao burst onto the scene, the Nuggets traded for the guy who would become known as the Pack-man. Pack was a game changer in his time with the Nuggets and I can remember some vicious dunks thrown down by the muscular guard. (Check this awesome YouTube action out ... dunks galore and one over Shawn Kemp.) Pack basically did for the Nuggets what Ty Lawson does now by coming in and putting his own brand on the game. Giving up a second-round pick for a contributing player is sort of the Nuggets calling card now and it looks like they've been doing it for years (yes different GMs and such, but whatever). When Denver traded Pack to Washington on October 30, 1995, a small part of my fandom died.
Rolling with and without Dyess for Van Exel:
1995-96: Acquired the draft rights to Antonio McDyess along with Randy Woods from the L.A. Clippers in exchange for Rodney Rodgers and the draft rights to Brent Barry.
1997-98: Traded Antonio McDyess to Phoenix in exchange for Phoenix's first round pick in 1998 (Tyronn Lue), Milwaukee's first round pick in either '98 or '99 (James Posey) and either Cleveland's first round pick in 2000 or the first round pick of Cleveland or Phoenix in 2001 (traded to Boston, Joe Forte) and two second round picks (2000, Dan McClintock and 2002, traded to Washtington Rod Grizzard).
1998-99: Acquired Nick Van Exel from the L.A. Lakers in exchange for Tony Battie and the draft rights to Tyronn Lue.
McDyess Good/Bad: McDyess was one of the first college players that I remember being amazed watching. He just carried Alabama and had athleticism that was out of this world crazy. So, when the Nuggets pulled the trigger to acquire him I was extremely excited, but really sad we gave up Rodney Rodgers to do so. If you were a Rodgers fan then you have to remember his 9 points in 9 seconds against the Jazz at McNichols. The departure of Rodgers signified just a little more that the 1993-94 playoff team was disappearing and that mediocrity and dark days were ahead of the franchise. McDyess however had a chance to be a truly special NBA player, but injuries would derail a once promising superstar career and force Dyess to reinvent himself as a role player. When Denver parted with Dyess on October 1, 1997 they got 5 draft-picks for him, but only one would turn into much of a player (James Posey) and further signified that Denver was basically up shit creek without paddles.
McDyess bizarre: It's worth mentioning that McDyess didn't want to become a Denver Nugget for the third time (when he was packaged with Billups) because of his second stint with the team. I remember reading that Suns player's Jason Kidd, George McCloud and current Nuggets executive Rex Chapman came to Denver to talk McDyess into re-signing with Phoenix, but Dan Issel kept them from entering the arena. McDyess wanted to back out of the Denver deal and go back to the Suns, but he didn't want to go back on his word and signed with Denver despite changing his mind. So that's why Denver gets to pay $3 million to him this season to hit jumpers for the Spurs. I don't know why more stories like this are not published ... I love this stuff!
Van Exel good for Nuggets, but bad for Van Exel: As part of the McDyess to Phoenix deal the Nuggets did use a first round pick to complete a trade for the talented Lakers guard. I was extremely happy when Denver landed Van Exel and then rumors started flying that he did not want to play for the Nuggets. Things got ironed out and Van Exel scored a lot of points on some very bad Denver teams. I'll always remember my mom drawing Cincinnati in an office pool to win the NCAA Tournament. Van Exel led that team to an 18-2 record and a Final Four appearance with us rooting him on for our own personal gain (I did become a fan though). I felt like the Nuggets landed their first star player in a while and was happy to have Nick aboard ... especially for Lue and El Busto aka Tony Battie. Denver never surrounded Van Exel with much talent and his time with the team wasn't special as his prime dwindled away.
The King of Park Hill comes home:
1998-99: Jan. 21 - Acquired Chauncey Billups and the draft rights to Tyson Wheeler from Toronto in a three team deal. Nuggets sent Bobby Jackson and Dean Garrett to Minnesota and a 1999 first round pick (Jonathan Bender) to Toronto. Minnesota traded Michael Williams, a future first round pick (Morris Peterson) and the rights to Zeljko Rebraca to Toronto.
1999-00: Feb 1 - Acquired Chris Gatling, Tariq Abdul-Wahad and a first round pick (Omar Cook) from Orlando in exchange for Ron Mercer, Chauncey Billups and Johnny Taylor.
Bad: Billups only played in 58 games with the Nuggets in his short stint with the team, due to injuries. And the Nuggets sent Billups to Orlando after he appeared in just 13 games in the 1999-00 season. Chauncey wouldn't ever suit up for the Magic as he was injured in his contract season and the Nuggets botched bringing in the hometown hero.
Good: Had Billups not been traded by the Nuggets he never would have wound up in Minnesota and learned from the veterans there the lessons he needed. He also never would have developed such a strong friendship with Kevin Garnett and probably wouldn't have wound up in Detroit, winning a championship and Finals MVP honors. Also, the Nuggets never would have been able to acquire him last season from Joe Dumars and we never would have seen the epic run to the Western Conference Finals. Sometimes in order to get to heaven you have to go through hell.
And hell is exactly where the Nuggets were heading. With ownership and the front office basically in disarray there was a constant coaching and player carousel. Players were signed, traded and waived at a moments notice and free agents were leery of dealing with a franchise that didn't have any stability. Luckily, the Nuggets were not too far away from finding stability and turning things around.
We'll continue tracking the Nuggets good, bad and bizarre trade history in Part II ...coming soon.
Sources: 2008-09 Denver Nuggets Media Guide
Billups timeline picture courtesy of NBA.com
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you rule Nate
this is fantastic. Great information
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I am a basketball nerd
But I confess, all the front office wrangling and salary matching and trade history just bores me to tears.
I mention this to make this point: all that reading certainly helped, Nate, because only exciting, vivid exciting prose could make ancient trade history such a fun read.
Good job. I look forward to part two.
I remember Rodney Rodgers hitting those threes and Pack’s dunks on bigger players. Didn’t he dunk on Mutumbo before he was a Nugget? I can’t remember. And the story of McDyess’s seconded signing got a lot of press at the time. I still wish McDyess would have just come along with Billups. I hate that his salary is counting against the cap this year.
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As long as we're rehashing history...
I played ball with T.R. Dunn’s kid in the driveway. They lived in the house behind mine for about a year before moving further down the street. Though they claimed it was because they moved into a nicer house, I’ve always secretly believed that it was because I routinely won our games of 1 on 1 and horse.
My first Nuggets jersey was a Rodney Rodgers jersey that fit me like a dress. I tried to play basketball in it and kept tripping over the hem, but you know, that was the style back in 5th grade. When I finally grew into it (somewhat), Rodgers was gone. I’ve never purchased a jersey since.
I was at a game against the Bulls and they were up by 15 or 20 with only a few minutes left to play. Jordan stole the ball and was gearing up for a highlight reel dunk when Bryant Stith grabbed him. I’ve despised Stith for depriving me of that moment ever since. I was slightly mollified when Jordan made his two free throws… with his eyes closed.
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by Nate Timmons on Feb 10, 2010 1:29 PM MST up reply actions
Kiki was something . . .
But I think you stiffed Blackman . . .man had as good a career for Dallas as any gaurd in their history . . 10 years @ 20PPG. Dirk has knocked him out of the all the top scoring spots. He scroed 10,000 more pts for Dallas than Kiki scored for Denver.
Great point!
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by Nate Timmons on Feb 10, 2010 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
It's hard to believe
Chauncey played for six different teams. I’m glad he’s back home, where he belongs.
Wait a minute...
it says “So, when the Nuggets pulled the trigger to acquire him I was extremely excited, but really sad we gave up the late Rodney Rodgers to do so”,BUT ROD ISN’T DEAD! He is paralyzed from the neck down! That’s pretty insensitive. Jk, I know that was one accident. Other than that hiccup Nate, great article, like always. I remember having the same feelings as you when I watched Dyess eat alive defenses and dunk over everyone night in and night out when he was in Alabama. Still one of my favorite players EVER, though he is on the Spurs and now hates the Nuggets. Can’t wait for part deux!
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I fixed that Rodney Rodgers part, thanks!
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by Nate Timmons on Feb 10, 2010 3:16 PM MST up reply actions
Ugh that brought up bad memories
I had a friend invite me to that game against the 72-10 bulls when they nuggets stomped them, but my mom wouldn’t let me go! still haunts me to this day.
David Thompson Clarification
“The man from North Carolina inspired Michael Jordan and should have went down as one of the best players in NBA history.”
Do you mean North Carolina the state, or North Carolina the University? If you meant University, he went to NC State.
I clarified as I knew he was from the state of North Carolina and attended NC State. From Shelby, North Carolina! Thanks for pointing that out.
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by Nate Timmons on Feb 10, 2010 3:16 PM MST up reply actions
I loved those small guards
Robert Pack was great. He had Lawson’s speed and JR’s ups – just instant energy. He was instrumental in beating the Sonics in 94. I was pissed when he was traded too, and then he seemed to kinda disappear.
Michael Adams was great too. I worked on 3 pointers with him in the summer of 90 at Denver University. He had a funky shot, but was accurate. And like Chauncey, he would use little fakes and hesitations to get that 3 off…
Thanks for the memories Nate.
All these kids playing NBA 2K10 and the like
Robert Pack was bad ass in NBA Jam back in the day.
Calvin – did you play at DU?
by Artimus Mangilord on Feb 10, 2010 3:23 PM MST up reply actions
NBA Jam was and still is the best
I guess the kids will be happy because it’s being released on the Wii. Back then there was what…LaPhonso, Dikembe, Pack, Mahmoud… Should be even more fun with Melo, Chauncey, Lawson, etc…
Speaking of kids, no, I didn’t play at DU. I was in highschool at the time. It was a summer b-ball camp. Adams was awesome, and Fat Lever and Calvin Natt were there too.
Sounds like that’s a good memory for you.
Damn, they’re bringing it back for the wii? I’m going to have to pick up the sticks and show my little brother what’s up
by Artimus Mangilord on Feb 10, 2010 4:56 PM MST up reply actions
Oh and according to wikipedia, Rodney Rodgers isn't dead
they say he’s just paralyzed. still shitty though
ironically
though in a wierd twist of fate, Brian Williams (Bison Dele) one of the players the Nuggets traded to get Rodney Rogers, died under myterious events.
Errrg, correction
My bad, it was Rodney Rogers & Brian Williams traded to the Clippers for McDyess. The Nugs drafted Rodney. Please forgive the error.
Still very strange, and sad.
Actually...
McDyess was acquired on June 28, 1995 for Rodgers and Brent Barry.
Sept. 19, 1995: Denver shipped Brian Williams to the Clippers for Elmore Spencer.
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by Nate Timmons on Feb 11, 2010 9:28 AM MST up reply actions
Best
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Ever
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Although I did some research into Nuggets history when I did my “Top 5 Nuggets Players” FanPost a couple months ago, I am WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to young to know exactly how those trades in the past played out.
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"I really didn't want it, but now that I've won it, it's nice. It's an honor. It's nice to know people don't think you're a total idiot. ... It must have been a poor year for coaches." - Doug Moe...talking about winning 1987-88 Coach of the Year award.
"We're just tough, man" - Chauncey Billups
Fat, Natt and Coop
I had season tickets when they were brought in. I vaguely remember being upset at losing Kiki, but boy, did they make up for it.
I remember passing Fat Lever at Regis College during their training camp and him towering over me despite the fact that we were both 6’3"!
I saw Natt one time in a restaurant and he took up the whole side of the booth where he was sitting and his thigh was about as big around as my waist. I remember commentators saying that if he was 6’6" he would be illegal! The Broncos could have used him at Linebacker back then!
Didn’t Cooper set some record for triple-doubles one season? It seemed like he was doing it every other night for awhile there.
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by DesertBroncoFan on Feb 10, 2010 5:24 PM MST reply actions
Fat Lever was the triple double king. When Magic, Bird & Jordan all in their prime it was Fat that owned the triple double… at 6’3"
He has Oscar Robertson good with the triple double.
Cooper was a nice Center. He really had only 2 really good years; both were contract years coincidentally.
Still Cooper, Schayes & Air Blair… not a bad 3 headed monster at Center.
Natt was 6’ 6", they said if he was 6’ 9" he’d be illegal. He played power forward at 6’ 6" so he was short for a power forward, but he was stronger than any of them. If he hadn’t had so many injuries, particularly the Achilles tendon he’d have been a potnetial hall of famer.
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Comments and Clarifications
Great write up. I remember a long time ago I had a you build your current “Killer” team and I build mine. The other guy chose Jordan among his team. I chose Fat Lever & Alvin Robertson on mine. He looked at it and said “You win”.
Here’s a couple of pieces of additional information for your write up:
The Paul Silas sighting:
Silas played for the Nuggets that 1st year in the NBA. I even remember seeing a picture of him in Sports Illustrated taken during the Blazers playoff series.
How’s that for a Nuggets legacy: Nuggets losing in the playoffs to the eventual champion. It’s not just during the Melo era.
They never should’ve traded Ralph Simpson. The man was the real deal. But the Nugs along with the other ABA teams got royally robbed so they had to start trading valuable pieces. When they got Simpson back, he was already on the downward trend.
The Alex English acquisition:
Interesting fact: Simpson, became the 2nd hardship case in NBA/ABA history, following Spencer Haywood. They were in fact team mates in high school I believe. That’s how Simpson arrived with the Rockets/Nuggets; though he was never a Denver teammate for Haywood because he bolted after the one year.
The Clyde Drexler misfire:
Howard Carter: Fat Little Pig Part II. Does anybody remember who Fat Little Pig I was?
The Monster Kiki Vandeweghe and Fat Lever trades:
Kiki to Portland, one of the all-time deals. Calvin Natt’s career however was not derailed from knee problems (though he had many). It was the infamous Halloween Night Achilles Tendon disaster the derailed his career.
You had to love Natt. The all-time tough guy. Charles Barkley was afraid of him, Maurice Lucas (the supposed NBA tough guy) was afraid of him… Doug Moe was afraid of him!!! The only player Moe would never yell at (don’t blame him, I wouldn’t either).
Rolling with and without Dyess for Van Exel:
I agree, I hated losing Rodney Rogers, but you couldn’t blame the deal to get McDyess. What Rogers did in that playoff game is still legendary!!!
will robinson
was the high school coach for haywood and simpson. robinson went on to become the first black coach in ncaa division 1. he coached doug collins at illinois state. collins went on to become the only all american at illinois state and the #1 pick in the nba draft. after collins playing career he did some coaching and broadcasting. robinson became a scout for the detroit pistons where he discovered dennis rodman and joe dumars. before robinson coached high school in detroit he coached at dusable high school in chicago, illinois. two players that went to dusable were maurice cheeks and julian hammond of the denver rockets.
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Thanks for the post The Word ... some great stuff in here!
Always love learning a bit more!
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by Nate Timmons on Feb 11, 2010 9:32 AM MST up reply actions
Paul Silas
One of the best offensive rebounders in NBA history. Unfortunately, many of his rebounds were off of his own missed layups. I swear the guy missed 2 out of every 3 layup attempts. I liked the team better with Simpson, DT, Bobby Jones and Issel. Talk about fire power. And yes, I am old.
And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.
by Bob in Boulder on Feb 16, 2010 1:04 PM MST up reply actions
If you have the article available you should read
Andrew’s piece on the old denverstiffs.com. It chronicled the past regimes of the Nuggets franchise from Doug Moe to Bernie Bickerstaff. All the parts were a great read. Between Andrew’s piece and Nate’s write up now, they sure do conjure up alot memories. I always enjoy the basketball history. Very seldom do us fans get a glimpse of what happens when a trade takes place. Those stories are always entertaining.
Indeed a great read.
This article (nates) along with Andrews is so great. Not only does it make me re-live some of my favorite Denver sports moments but also CLEARLY dates me….
Jesus, what happened between 93-94 nuggets and now…it’s all a glorious blur….
Thanks Nate!
by SternfluffsKobe on Feb 10, 2010 11:27 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Ralph Simpson: He was a great player, but somehow the Rockets/Nuggets had a notion that they could do without him and he was good enough to get something good in return. He helped my jump shot quite a bit when he came to the basketball camp I was attending.
George McGinnis: George wasn’t so much overrated as he was on the down side of his career. He was a great scorer when he played for the Indiana Pacers and they won the ABA championship. Larry Brown campaigned vigorously to get McGinnis here. Larry Brown also campaigned vigorously to get Rich Kelley here too so go figure.
Paul Silas: I too remember him playing for the Nuggets, but I also remember thinking “Is that really the same Silas guy who played for the Celtics?” because by then he was another down side of his career guy. It seems like the Nuggets got a lot of star players that were on the down side of their careers.
Blar Rassmussen: He wasn’t such a stiff, it was just that he got that second contract that was so out of proportion that made him seem like a stiff. As he put it; “They called me up one day in the summer to come down and sign a contract for more money than I ever thought I could get, so I went down and signed it. It’s not my fault they offered me so much money, I just signed the contract, wouldn’t you?” (or words to that effect). Blair was considered a reasonable pick from among the centers available that “year of the center”. They picked him over Uwe Blab and a few others that had better press but weren’t as productive as Blair. I remember one night against the Celtics, the Nuggets handily beat them. Alex English had over thirty points, something like 31 or 32, but the biggie was Blair Rasmmussen in the post he was unstoppable as Parish then McHale and then Bird tired to guard him in the low post. Blair finished with 34 or so, I just remember it was a few more than English. That was a beautiful night, I’ve always hated the Celtics even more than the Lakers.
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Thanks Thursty!
I couldn’t find any stats w/ Silas for the Nuggets and wasn’t yet born when he was here, but knew that some of my seasoned Stiffs would recall!
Blair – I recall reading some stuff about how he didn’t really possess hops, but was crafty.
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by Nate Timmons on Feb 11, 2010 9:39 AM MST up reply actions
Blair didn’t have much in the way of hops as such but he was a genuine 7 footer, I think maybe 7’ 1" and he could dunk on the offensive rebound. The thing he had was a soft touch and he shot a deadly short jump shot. That soft touch tended to make him look, well, soft. I saw him at the sizewise exhibit opening at the Childrens Museum and his shoes were on display. I asked him what size and he said 17, which I thought was kind of small for a 7 footer. That may be why he didn’t have suach good hops. I’m 6’ 5" and I wear a size 16.
I’d take Rassmussen over Schayes if I was building a team (but not by too much). The Nuggets got rid of Rassmussen just in time as he started having back problems then and never played very well after the Nuggets traded him.
I’d take Rassmussen over Petro for that matter. He’d not quite be the 4th big that the Nuggets could use now, because he was more a scorer than a rebounder/defender.
"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!" ...Homer Simpson
blair was clever
the amish are crafty
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
Nice post, Nate
Articles like this make it obvious you are a true fan.
I love the “montage” photo of Chauncey!
I hope “The Butler” keeps on hitting the three at this clip for the 3 point contest and beyond and serves us up some more playoff wins.
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