Golden Nuggets: Reacting to "the charge"...
by Andrew Feinstein on Dec 17, 2010 1:35 PM MST
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PrintIt's Friday and the good news is Carmelo Anthony hasn't been traded yet. The bad news is that my wish for the Nuggets to be 20-10 after 30 games (and thus be buyers and not sellers at the trade deadline) is hanging on by a thread thanks to a fraudulent end-of-game call last night.
Nuggets lose to Spurs 113-112 after game-winner called off - The Denver Post
Carmelo Anthony and George Karl react to one of the worst end-of-game calls in Nuggets - and possibly NBA - history.
Paige: Nuggets on 3 first-round picks — all ears - The Denver Post
Woody Paige seems to have moved from the "hold on to Carmelo all season" camp to the "trade Carmelo for multiple picks" camp.
George Karl Rips Officiating After Charging Call Costs Nuggets Win -- NBA FanHouse
Chris Tomasson speaks with Coach Karl about the horrendous officiating last night.
Roundball Mining Company " 2010-11 Game 25: Denver Nuggets 112 – San Antonio Spurs 113
Jeremy Wagner of Roundball believes Melo's "charge" was, in fact, a charge.
Antonio McDyess Emotional as Retirement From NBA Looms -- NBA FanHouse
Tomasson catches up with former Nugget Antonio McDyess whose career might be in its waning months. Damn I feel old saying that.
Coach's Notebook: Melo's Efficiency, Redick's Evolution - Basketball News & NBA Rumors
HoopsWorld's Coach's Notebook examines Carmelo Anthony's efficiency on offense.
In the Moment: George Karl - CBSSports.com
News breaker Ken Berger talks one-on-one with Coach Karl about Melo possibly being traded.
And in case you're the lone Nuggets fan who missed this, here is J.R. Smith's incredible dunk from last night:
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I'm over this, on to the next game
Btw, that JR dunk was flat out amazing. Probably better than anything that will happen in this year’s dunk contest.
We have Minnesota who is playing in POR today.
I think Chauncey should rest, but if he plays, he should play less than 15 min.
Tomasson says the cavalry (Bird, healthier Billups, AND KMart) might be back against SA. Glad we get a chance to avenge this loss in less than a week. No more excuses Nugs fans, we have something to be excited about until the trade deadline.
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by JR15 on Dec 17, 2010 1:59 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I think this pretty much ends the keep/trade melo debate
In Masai Ujiri’s strongest stance during the histrionics of The Melodrama, the Nuggets’ vice president of player personnel said during the first quarter of the Nuggets-Spurs game Thursday night: “I am listening aggressively” to offers for Anthony.
Ujiri had held out hope that Anthony would accept the Nuggets’ offseason proposal for three years at a total of almost $65 million. But Melo hasn’t moved a millimeter, and Ujiri, ever the optimist, has accepted the inevitable, unavoidable conclusion.
Anthony will be gone before the trading deadline in late February, and a trade is more than likely to happen sooner than later. Perhaps real soon.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 17, 2010 2:00 PM MST reply actions
And the scary thing
Is that Paige is saying the nuggs get three number ones or two number ones and Favors. Since he was talking with Ujiri, perhaps the speculation of Favors and 4 number ones is overoptimistic. He did say the nets are getting desperate, so here’s hoping.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 17, 2010 2:02 PM MST up reply actions
It's still just more chatter and it changes nothing
and I still, after having modified my position, think staying is a consideration.
Not just chatter
He’s got Ujiri on the record “aggressively” listening to offers. Paige then states emphatically that Melo is going to be traded. That means Ujiri almost certainly told him that off the record. This isn’t the anonymous “sources” of other reports. This is the nuggets GM on the record.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 17, 2010 2:28 PM MST up reply actions
Well I expect him to be on the job every day listening....
Call it “aggressive,” call it attentive, call it what you want. I assume he doesn’t have a lackadaisical attitude.
It’s just a word that he chose to say he’s working hard.
If they weren't going to do a trade
He’d say “We’re not trading Melo, we’re not entertaining offers”. GM’s do it all the time. Instead he says he’s agressively listening. He has a one on one conversation with paige, who was previously on the keep melo team, and no paige has done a 180 and states unequivically that Melo is gone.
Last week I said hope of keeping melo was 10%. I’m adjusting to 1% after reading that.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 17, 2010 2:46 PM MST up reply actions
Well... you're right about that but then it's no secret
the Melo has said he’s keeping his options open. He has also said that could mean staying with the Nuggets. I assumed for several months he was leaving, but he’s still here. I’m wondering if he isn’t still uncertain what he wants.
I guess he is a Nugget in my eyes
Until he is traded. Wasn’t the owner of the Broncos on record saying McDaniels was staying till 2011?
Things can change, I guess I should stop caring about this crap till Melo is actually GONE
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by JR15 on Dec 17, 2010 2:32 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Aggressively listening he may be
but unless Melo signs off on New Jersey the deal aint happening.
I’m starting to believe the Melo has said (with his actions) “trade me if you must, but I’m not going to New Jersey”
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 17, 2010 2:33 PM MST up reply actions
I don't know that I agree with your tea leaves....
Now if it was because Melo wanted only one destination that would be different, but there has been no indication of that.
The only thing I’ve literally heard from his own mouth was complimentary of the Nets and their move to Brooklyn…. though it didn’t necessarily mean anything.
If Melo wanted to go to NJ
the deal would have been completed on Tuesday. Or before the season. The deal has been on the table, and with NJ offering all that they are right now, the only road block is Melo.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 17, 2010 2:44 PM MST up reply actions
Well
That’s not necessarily the case regarding before the season. At that point Ujiri was holding out hope of convincing him to stay. Plus, once you are in the season you have to wait until last tuesday to free up all the deals. Now, you may be right.
However, it could be the Nets are still in negotiations with a third team that haven’t finalized yet. One of the multitude of reports referred to an unnamed young player the nuggets covet to be included in the deal. It may be they haven’t yet pried that player away from the other team. Or it may be that the Nets and Nuggets are still haggling over the final details.
I think if they had finalized a deal and were merely awaiting Melo’s agreement, something would have leaked out about it.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 17, 2010 2:50 PM MST up reply actions
So tell me how you or any other "source" happens to know
exactly what has been offered up by either team.
Those that automatically assume the Nets are desperate to make a deal and will give the Nuggets whatever they want are eating loony candy.
Given what the Nuggets want, the Nets can pick their priorities. What other team can compete with them?
That deal before the season was kinked likely by Charlotte, meaning it never was a real deal, even if they got somewhat close.
I'm not quoting sources here...this is my own opinion (as this whole conversation has been)
The deal at the beginning of the season made no sense. The Nuggets took on too much cash to get worse (ill conceived from the beginning) . What I have been saying is, logically, if Melo was going to sign the extension with NJ the Nuggets would have made the deal on Tuesday.
The “offer” of Favors and picks hasn’t changed much…just teams arent involved. It’s been widely reported by many different “sources” that NJ is prepared to offer more picks.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 17, 2010 3:04 PM MST up reply actions
I don't trust these "sources"
I’m just not sure anybody, other than the parties directly involved in negotiations know what back and forth has occurred.
That’s my point we all jump to an opinion based on some joker with a pen.
Well you are right
Chris Sheridan is an idiot. As is Ric Bucher. And Mark Kiszla. And Woody.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 17, 2010 3:15 PM MST up reply actions
Idiot... I can't say. I can say they get paid for creating interest
and buzz and readers and clicks.
What has Woj had to say?
Dunno....Woj has damaged credability because of his
recent “Lebron crusade” he’s been on.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 17, 2010 3:20 PM MST up reply actions
From what I've seen....he's said abolutely nothing for
at least a month on this. It’s been mostly Spears on the Yahoo site…who has his own issues
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 17, 2010 3:24 PM MST up reply actions
Get real Jeff
You still won’t admit most of the Melo rumors the past summer have been right, Bucher’s garbage story actually contains info that still holds up today – and your previous claim that most of these stories were outright lies doesn’t hold up.
It’s like the media ran over your dog and you can’t stop blaming them for reading the writing on the wall about the Melo situation. Like somehow their writing has directly made Melo not want to stay in Denver. This crusade isn’t constructive and is really getting old man
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by runningdonut on Dec 17, 2010 7:50 PM MST up reply actions
Just read that again
And you discredited every well known national NBA writer. Pretty sure the only ones you didn’t hit were Broussard and Marc Stein. Maybe Ken Berger but he’s too low budget to be considered a national writer.
Does it ever enter your mind that one or two of these guys might be a real professional?
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by runningdonut on Dec 17, 2010 7:57 PM MST up reply actions
Definitely none of the ones at the world wide leader in sports.
I’m pretty sure we all agree on that one. Those guys are amatures in the highest sense of the word. :)
Know when to fold em'.
Undisputed Heavyweight Champion of Denver Stiffs.
I got people nicknaming their kids after me.
I'll reserve the optimism for the 17-win seasons; now is the time for scrutiny.
Josh McRoberts you STIFF!!!
by GoldenNugget on Dec 17, 2010 8:19 PM MST up reply actions
I discredited Woj
you should be up there leading the orchestra with me GN. lol
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 17, 2010 8:32 PM MST up reply actions
There's is a difference between Melo "wanting"
to go to the Nets and being OK with going there. I never heard anything that he’s dying to go there. Neither have I heard – from reliable sources – that he won’t go there. With the Knicks/ESPN NY, etc. there’s lots of misinformation.
The last time I spoke with Josh Kronke…. he said that……. actually I’m sworn to secrecy. But I also heard form a friend of an uncle to a friend to the barber that cuts a neighbor of a close boyfriend of the mother of …….
What's wrong with drawing a logical conclusion?
This deal (or potential deal) depends on Melo signing off on the extension. I’ve been speaking for myself here. Opinion and everything. I’m just looking at this saying, logically, that if Melo was down with NJ…he would be there now. No hesitation. The Nuggets would take that deal 5 ways from Sunday. Absolutely.
I haven’t quoted “sources” at all. From the very start I’ve said “in my opinion”
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 17, 2010 3:07 PM MST up reply actions
I don't think Melo has said yes or no
to a nets deal. The nets have said they haven’t been told that Melo wouldn’t sign with them. If they were convinced he would refuse to sign, wouldn’t they just pull out.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 17, 2010 3:16 PM MST up reply actions
Yes... it would seem so.
Who knows, maybe they’ve moved on and are looking for other ways to improve their team. They just managed to pull off an interesting three team trade.
Melo can't say anything to them about willingness to sign
it has to come from the Nuggets. Otherwise it would be tampering
It’s a bit disingenuous of the Nets to say they haven’t heard anything from Melo. Of course they haven’t. He can’t talk to them. lol
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 17, 2010 3:23 PM MST up reply actions
They can't talk to him...not them
typing fail.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 17, 2010 3:25 PM MST up reply actions
Don't teams typically give permission
I know it happens in the NFL all the time that if someone is in trade talks, they allow the other team to talk with the player.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 17, 2010 3:28 PM MST up reply actions
NBA rules are MUCH stricter than NFL rules
on tampering. Thus why Melo can’t publicly comment on what’s going on with he and the Nuggets.
Which is why the Knicks would be smacked down with tampering if it’s been found that they are speaking with Melo (which the Nuggets already suspect them of)
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 17, 2010 3:34 PM MST up reply actions
I think we can give permission
I’m not sure though. The Nuggets wouldn’t, because we need to string NJ along for as much time as we possibly can.
It is tampering, but if a team were to sign and trade a player to another team, I think we can give permission for the other team and the player to talk about it. Not sure on this completely
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by runningdonut on Dec 17, 2010 8:03 PM MST up reply actions
Sheesh... The Nets haven't claimed they haven't heard
directly from Melo.
It has been reported and not from King’s mouth, that they have gotten no indication – from a source they would believe, which could, yes come from the Nuggets, that Melo won’t sign with them.
....you're a Nets fan as well aren't you?
That’s cool.
I’d like to say this. With as bad as NJ has looked this year, in your opinion, wouldn’t NJ be better served in using some of these draft picks on getting young players? IF the Nets are pursuing another type of deal, what do you think is in their best interest outside of Carmelo?
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 17, 2010 3:32 PM MST up reply actions
I really became a fan of the fans over at Net's Daily
because of this whole Melo mess. I’ve hoped for a trade there because if you want to rebuild on the fly with cap space and picks etc. they had the ability to to do that kind of deal with the Nuggets. They have Favors as well.
I do think they would love to have Melo or some player that would create a nice buzz going into the Barclays Center.
Now that they’ve 86’d T-Will, they have a nice young center. From there, in trades, like the draft, you find the best players you can. With Avery, it has become obvious they want to build with the commitment and discipline of the Spurs, so it may effect their opinion of some players.
The Nets looked pretty good early, even in losing. Then it was the T-Will drama… Murphy was out of shape so he hurt his back and Avery said take a couple of weeks and get in shape, They’ve lost three players to misc injury.
I've always felt
that due to Melo’s….how should I put this….lax opinion of defense that he and Avery would clash quite a bit. Who knows…I think the Nets have a good nucleus with Lopez, Favors and Harris…I’d say get some prime draft picks and trade for some great role players to go around Lopez.
Melo needs to be on a team with tons of vets. I think he may have a destructive personality on a young team. At the same time, that young team will be better with him on it. So it’s a catch 22
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 17, 2010 3:54 PM MST up reply actions
Defense
If he is traded to the Nets, it will be an experiment. We’ll get to see if another coach can get him to improve defensively and the issue is Karl’s scheme, or if even in a proven defensive scheme he remains a sub-par defender.
I think a trade like the one discussed turns the nets into what the nuggets have been. First round playoff losers. Not sure if I’d want the trade as a net fan. They’ve got a lot of assets there now.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 17, 2010 4:09 PM MST up reply actions
Right
I can’t argue with Jeff on this one. By my count Melo has had two chances to be in New Jersey and passed them up both. I really do think a version of the AK47/Favors and picks trade would have gone down before the season had Melo indicated he wanted to play there, and not Denver anymore (but not that trade – it didn’t make any sense). Back then, there was reason to believe Melo might reconsider Denver though. Now I believe the Nugs want a 3 team deal with New Jersey to happen this week, but Melo is not budging. That’s twice he could have gotten out of here, done what he said he was going to do which is help Denver get something for him. But here we stand and nothing has changed.
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by runningdonut on Dec 17, 2010 4:57 PM MST up reply actions
There is no way Melo goes to Jersey
This has been obvious for months. WAKE UP
How can you listen to offers agressively?
Do you act angry, or what?
How are we going to trade Melo to the Nets
If he doesnt want to sign the extension with them?
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by JR15 on Dec 17, 2010 2:08 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Moolah
and lots of it. JPage said his “handlers” are already working on Melo to convince him on NJ. When it comes down to it, I think he’ll realize that getting 95% of what he wants and driving to NJ for about a season and a half will be worth the $10+ million in additional salary he gets by agreeing to the trade.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 17, 2010 2:12 PM MST up reply actions
But he will get moolah if he stays in Denver
With a better team to boot.
I don’t think he will get money if he goes to NY.
I think keeping him and going for it is the way to go.
If we fizzle in the playoffs and Melo leaves, I won’t be mad. The NBA is done anyway for 2011, so I don’t think getting anything in return for Melo is my priority. However, it might be a priority to Ujiri.
I think Ujiri is going to wait for our team to be fully healthy and give it one last shot. If Melo still wants to go, then he is headed to NJ at deadline. NJ is desperate, so Ujiri should milk them like a cash cow.
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by JR15 on Dec 17, 2010 2:26 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Agree
Ujiri wouldn’t do that to the fans. He went through the same thing in Toronto. They simply wanted to make the playoffs that is why they kept Bosh so the fans would have good basketball to see in a town where just making the playoffs is a really huge deal.
Anyways look what happened. Bosh became increasingly disinterested knowing he was leaving soon. He got a nose injury and sat out the entire end of the season while the Raps miss the playoffs by one game. Then, he predictably leaves for nothing on the first day of free agency.
Ujiri is going to act and make strong moves this time. You either keep Melo or trade him, don’t waddle and leave things up to fate on a hope and a prayer that something magical happens in the postseason. I truly believe Ujiri is doing everything he can to keep Melo and hasn’t given that up yet.
I might not be mad if keep Melo and fizzle out of the playoffs this year and watch him leave this summer. Mainly because there is value in being a playoff team and just making it there and having a long shot chance when you get in. At the same time I also understand if you want to someday get to a championship losing him for nothing is not an option you can take as a GM
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by runningdonut on Dec 17, 2010 5:50 PM MST up reply actions
Andrew... I missed the first part of the game and hadn't seen "the dunk."
So thanks for slipping that in.
I've watched Melo get tagged with many an offensive foul this season.....
and never had any sympathy.
I watched the replays, heard the announcers claim two refs made the call, supposedly.
I watched with a mindset that it should be charging.
I watched with a mindset that it wasn’t.
While Manu did slide over, it is awfully hard to say he got there B4 Melo was in the air, or that he was definitely set. It was a close call, it was too close to call. It could just as easily been a blocking call.
I’m over the game….. But that was a perfect NON-CALL.
You missed out
That was right up there with when Vince Carter jumped over a guy in the olympics for a dunk.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 17, 2010 2:30 PM MST up reply actions
What's amazing is that alll the most recent "inside"
feedback is that the Nuggets want draft choices and young, meaning on rookie contracts, players. Which makes perfect sense. By going this route they can create lots of Cap space, just like the Knicks did so they can pick who they want to “buy.”
In contrast to PHX, who immediately after losing Amar’e went out and acquired some so-so players and their so-so contracts.
But how many teams fit into that mold or can make that kind of deal ?
Try to avoid 2011 draft picks
That draft will blow. F it, I don’t care about the future. At this point for me it is Nuggets win or I go back to work.
I can’t watch a rebuilding team struggle for years. Even if we draft someone amazing, it will take 2-3 years to actually be a contender. I don’t want to be like the Knicks (always hoping) I want to win when we have something tangible right now.
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by JR15 on Dec 17, 2010 2:51 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
With the Knicks.....
It took them years to get out from under. The Nuggets can get there with one good trade and all their expiring contracts. They can be buyers starting this summer.
Most of the picks they can acquire from the Nets are all protected and won’t drop til who know when.
The Nets, I’m certain, won’t give up both Favors and this years top pick. Likely one or the other.
Knicks
The Knicks probably wouldn’t have sucked for so long if it hadn’t been for Isaiah Thomas.
by ParkHillNative on Dec 17, 2010 5:10 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
They'll get desperate
Things don’t look good for them that’s why they are scrambling to help us out. I wouldn’t rule anything out. They are the type of team who would make a short sighted, lopsided trade even if it only kept Melo away from MSG temporarily.
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by runningdonut on Dec 17, 2010 5:28 PM MST up reply actions
Nah.... Everybody's new.... there's no panic mode.
They chose to 86 T-Will, in spite of his talent
That’s not a desperate team. That’s a team intending to get it right.
Doesn't add up
The move is more about getting a star when they move to their next arena in 2 years. Not really about building a great team from the ground up (like Jeff mentioned). They are at the bottom of the league in attendance and this whole pursuit of Melo seems desperate to me. I think they are kind of being toyed with by Melo and Denver while they continue to wait on us while we leverage their deal against other options.
I’m looking at the facts and this seems far fetched to me. NJ continues to help us by ramping up interest and scrambling to load up on assets they know we are looking for. The situation, as I see it – is getting desperate for them. We know we can wait until the 11th hour and their offer will stand, and even if that fails I think we should be able to get a plethora of good picks should they make a play for rental of Melo
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by runningdonut on Dec 17, 2010 7:39 PM MST up reply actions
Wouldn't mind having the Nets pick in 2011
That thing could be money.
You never know about the draft. Even in a strong class there’s plenty of busts. I agree, this class won’t be great as a ton of elite underclassmen are not going to come out. But, I think if you have a chance at getting a top 10 pick in any draft, you go after that thing hard. All bets are off in the lottery cause you do have a chance at that #1 spot.
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by runningdonut on Dec 17, 2010 8:07 PM MST up reply actions
From Tomasson via Twitter
Kenyon Martin will return to practice next week after offseason knee surgery Coach George Karl said there’s chance Martin can play next week
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Which water
cause the stuff in the river in N.J. is about as clear as mud.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 17, 2010 3:41 PM MST up reply actions
BOOM!
Well played sir
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Please be more specific about what "it" is
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Also, hilariously, the Spurs and the Riverwalk are literally the only two things to do in San Antonio from September-May
Then you have Fiesta, and then everyone stays inside and eats. That’s it. That is San Antonio, in a nutshell.
Swats.
Dude
they have the rodeo
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I went to the rodeo in Denver once
It was a giant fiasco. My wife’s friend arranged for a group of us to go. I think some of the money went to charity. Not sure. We were supposed to meet at a bar – well the whole thing was packed and it was impossible to park. Finally found a spot, but then we couldn’t find the people we were supposed to meet.
So now we had to leave the bar and find another spot to park to go into the rodeo. I wasn’t super excited to go in the first place, and by the time we found a second place to park, I was pretty pissed off.
Then we went in and watched the calf roping. I had no idea what was going on – it happened so fast, I couldn’t tell who did well and who didn’t. The people around who knew something about rodeo would immediately comment, but I was lost. There were like 20 people there, but we had only previously known my wife’s friend. But since there were so many people we didn’t actually get to talk to her much.
We wound up having a big fight, but on the plus side, my wife hasn’t asked me to go to a rodeo again.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 17, 2010 4:37 PM MST up reply actions
If you missed the mutton busting then it's all a loss anyway.
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Don't a defender's feet have to be set for it to be a charge?
Bitch-ass’ feet weren’t set. It was a block.
The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.
They can be moving
Melo gets called for charging all the time for lowering his shoulder on a drive when both players are moving.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 17, 2010 4:20 PM MST up reply actions
Should have been a no call
But, yeah it was a charge. And just like the thousands of missed calls throughout NBA games are an accepted norm, it’s that much more important to make sure that players playing basketball is what decides the pivotal end of a great game. Rewarding the flop at that point in the game also rubs me the wrong way. Most of the time, at the end of a game refs don’t reward an offensive player who is blatantly going for a whistle instead of making a good play or a more difficult shot. Should be the same way on defense at the end too. In that situation – it’s a no call. Even if it was a “charge.” Stop acting like NBA refs call everything by the book and that’s a call they can’t afford to not make. It can go either way and at the end of a game like that you let it play out
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by runningdonut on Dec 17, 2010 5:12 PM MST up reply actions
love the look on melo's face in that photo
Kinda says it all.
If Melo wants that call to go his way, he needs to join the Spurs. Or the Lakers.
Utterly disgusting way to end a game. A great flourish negated by a flop and a chickenshit call with time expiring. Wow. It’s good to be the Spurs.
by AgainstTheLaw.Son on Dec 17, 2010 6:19 PM MST reply actions
"It's Friday and the good news is Carmelo Anthony hasn't been traded yet."
huh? am i missing something? every day he isn’t traded, his value gets lower and lower. if anybody really thinks he’s going to change his mind because the Nuggets “beat” the Spurs, there is something wrong with them.
All I have to say is
if we can’t beat Minnesota tomorrow when they are coming off a late night double header from playing the Blazers tonight, I doubt we will make the playoffs with or without Melo.
"the charge" actually wasn't where the slipped away from us
On a previous play, Melo and Ty were passin back and forth and the pass was tipped, but we recovered, forcing a quick drive for 2pts. Had that pass not been tipped Melo was looking for the Three to win and it didn’t happen.
by InboundingLobPass on Dec 17, 2010 8:18 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Hectic day today....Glad to see Melo still a Nugget
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Sounds like the Magic are making a trade very soon. Sources believe a deal could be completed in the next few days.
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Sources in Orlando are hinting that something will go down this weekend.
For Melo………. Nah most likely Arenas but you never know?
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Stop Snitchin!!!
They want Arenas?
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by runningdonut on Dec 17, 2010 8:50 PM MST up reply actions
Saw on Yahoo just now
Man Orlando would really be going for it they do that trades. Arenas and Rashard will be making over $20 mil a piece for them in 3 years. What a bold trade, I really do hope Arenas gets his groove back
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by runningdonut on Dec 17, 2010 9:11 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah they are taking a big ass risk. It think they no they cant get Melo so this is there best option. They could be real good if Arenas goes back to the old Arenas.
It seems that this is just part of there first trade.
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Sources say Orlando has talked to a number of teams and could be planning two separate deals. Trading for Arenas may just be the start.
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A backcourt of Jameer Nelson and Gilbert Arenas should be fun to watch
Lots of crazy passes
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HMmmmmmmm
http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-101217-19/latest-melo-drama
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I'd say that is a pretty good summary of where we stand
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 17, 2010 9:35 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah I just finished reading this. It seems Melo is gonna have to make a choice does he want his money if so It looks like NJ is his only option. Or does he wanna be a knick and lose out on alot of money?
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Exactly right
There is such a massive difference between what NJ can offer and what NY can offer, I think that is exactly the choice he has. I think, in the end, he’ll choose NJ, but that is conjecture based on two things. First, it’s a lot of money, even for an NBA player. Second, Melo basically said the other day that getting the extension is very important to him.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 18, 2010 9:24 AM MST up reply actions
I guess that answers about permission and if they have talked
If the Nets and Nuggets come to terms on a trade, according to one source briefed on the teams’ discussions to date, Nets officials will request (and be granted) permission to have a face-to-face meeting with Anthony.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 18, 2010 9:27 AM MST up reply actions
Just wanted to say that Carmelo commited an offensive foul. Its so fucking obvious. Just accept that Manu made a hell of a great play and move on. Everyone everywhere is talking about how good of a call that was, and the ref that was balsy enough to made it. It was the correct call, stop whining. There’s no discussion to be had, it was a frickin offensive foul.
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and the ref that was balsy enough to made it.
Two refs made the call simultaneously – Denver Roundball Company sums this up perfectly in their recap of the event.
“As soon as Melo made contact with Ginobili both Mott and Workman made charge calls. However, the veteran Bavetta never budged an inch… The key was there was no disagreement between Mott and Workman. What they would have done if one had called a charge and the other a block would have been interesting to see or if one was the only one to call a charge? Regardless, it was the right call and the two referees who blew their whistles saw the same thing”
Did you both see the post that makes a good argument against this position?
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gtfo with that "stop whining" bullshit
Idiot fucking troll
by ParkHillNative on Dec 18, 2010 5:16 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
It was a great game and it is unfortunate that the ending eclipsed an epic contest.
For my 0.02. Go here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl_v3yo3Lxo
stop it about 17 seconds in (1.3-1.4 seconds on the TV clock). Two things to note:
1) Where are Ginobli’s feet and how far away is Carmelo?
2) Isn’t there a wide open Nugget under the basket waiting to layup a pass?
The spurs are pretty good this year but it is an anomaly that they are 22-3. I fully expect us to lose 4 more games before the end of the year. We are not good front runners and have always performed best from second or third.
If Anthony does leave, it would be nice to see Karl get equal talent back. There are too many stacked teams in the league as it is.
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