Magic vs. Nuggets recap: Melo's last game in Denver?...
If tonight's Nuggets victory over the Magic proves to be Carmelo Anthony's last in a Nuggets uniform, then he leaves on a high note having put up 35 points (on a very impressive 14-21 shooting) and grabbing 11 rebounds.
There was nothing 1970s about "70s Night" at Pepsi Center other than the final score. I'll get to the game recap and the ongoing Carmelo Anthony situation shortly, but I first must point out - yet again - that the Nuggets organization appears to be clueless when it comes to in-game presentation and promotion. Having a "70s Night" is a great idea if properly executed. Instead, the Nuggets dropped the ball.
You'd think on a night promoted as "70s Night" that the Nuggets would play against a team they played against in the franchise's 1970s ABA heyday, like the Spurs, Nets or Pacers. You'd think that the Nuggets and their opponent would wear retro jerseys hearkening back to that era. You'd think that Pepsi Center - given the countless empty seats in the building all season long (they listed tonight's attendance at north of 16,000 when in fact it was closer to 14,000...if that) - would roll back the prices for tickets, beverages and food back to 70s' prices for one night. You'd think that the Nuggets would roll out a few legends from the 70s like David Thompson, Dan Issel (if they'll let him in the building, of course), Spencer Haywood, Byron Beck, Bobby Jones and so on either before tipoff or at halftime. You'd think that the trivia question posted on the scoreboard would be 70s-related, as opposed to a trivia question going back to 1995 like the one served up relating to Dikembe Mutombo of all people (at least Mutombo was born in the 70s, I guess). You'd think that the scoreboard would showcase highlights from the Nuggets great seasons throughout the latter 1970s.
You'd think.
Instead, all the ticket-paying fans got for "70s Night" were cheerleaders wearing pseudo-70s outfits, Mark Randall wearing a Maxie Miner T-shirt, a 70s band at halftime that no one has heard of and a few male cheerleaders wearing fake Afros. No acknowledgment was made at any point in the evening of the Nuggets' thrilling 1970s history that helped revolutionize basketball as we know it today (somewhere, Denver Stiffs reader "Thursty" has his head in his hands). "70s Night" - like the opposition Orlando Magic in the fourth quarter - was a total dud.
But I suppose this is what happens when your franchise is distracted and consumed by the likely departure of its best player...and arguably best player ever. As has been discussed and "reported" ad nauseum for months now, Carmelo Anthony probably isn't going to be a Denver Nugget past February 24th. And now, he may not be a Denver Nuggets past December 24th. Or even sooner. As in tomorrow.
While leaving Pepsi Center tonight, I was informed by a few friends (including Denver Stiffs own Jeffrey Morton) that Channel 7's Lionel Bienvenu "reported" that Melo had been traded to the Nets, presumably for Derrick Favors, Troy Murphy's expiring contract and a plethora of draft picks. And then soon thereafter Bienvenu had to rescind the report. Looking at Bienvenu's Twitter account right now, he's already hedging:
lionelbienvenu Lionel BienvenuIf Melo does not agree to sign extension with Nets, trade's dead. in Melo's court now. If deal was done he wouldn't have played 2nite
And our man Chris Tomasson - one of our few reliable sources - Tweeted the following:
christomasson Chris TomassonNuggets official said Melo will be in uniform Thursday against San Antonio.christomasson Chris TomassonMelo also said has never heard of reporter who reported it: "Everybody has their own opinion... But I don't know where that came from.''christomasson Chris TomassonA Nuggets official said rumor is false. I just talked to Melo and he said, "It's terrible. There's no truth to it.''christomasson Chris TomassonRumor going around about Carmelo Anthony being traded to New Jersey is said at the Pepsi Center to be false.
So I guess we will get to see Melo in Denver when the Spurs come to town on Thursday night. But it doesn't change the fact that the Melo story was, is and will continue to be a colossal distraction for the Nuggets until something is done. George Karl shouldn't get Coach of the Year for steering the Nuggets ship admirably after surviving a second fight with cancer and having no big men to play with. He should get Coach of the Year for dealing with this Melo fiasco and having his team sitting at 15-9 and in the Western Conference playoff hunt in spite of all the nonsense surrounding his team.
Other than the Nuggets organization putting on a crappy "70's Night", there wasn't much in the way of distractions on the court against the Magic tonight. A competitive game through three quarters erupted into a fourth quarter walkover with the Nuggets - sans Chauncey Billups - firing on all cylinders. I was lucky to trade my usual tickets with Denver Stiffs reader "Mordecai" for seats right behind the Magic bench, giving me a unique perspective on the game.
Here's the View From the Not-So-Cheap-Seats...
...from pre-game warmups until he walks out of the tunnel at game's end, Magic center Dwight Howard continually interacts with the crowd and never stops fooling around. I've always liked Howard, but now I love him. He doesn't take himself too seriously and makes the game fun. Before tipoff, he mocked LeBron James with a fake hand-powder clap gesture. On his way to the bench, he sings the songs blaring on the loudspeakers. At game's end, he tossed his jersey and shoes into the stands. And he never stopped smiling (until the Magic imploded in the fourth). Howard oozes charisma and is one of the reasons we should love the NBA right now. I can't say enough about how much fun it was to watch Howard tonight.
...George Karl was honored before tipoff with a trophy commemorating his 1,000th coaching victory. Presenting the trophy was Nuggets soon-to-be owner Josh Kroenke and general manager Masai Ujiri. From that point forward, Kroenke and Ujiri were nowhere to be found and never sat in their usual seats. Gee, I wonder what they were up to?
...Howard's moves around the basket have improved dramatically, evident by his 14 first-half points. Perhaps Howard should have taken the second half more seriously, however, as he finished the game with just 21 total points.
...as has become customary here at Denver Stiffs, whomever I call out as a Stiff before the game inevitably lights up the Nuggets. Tonight it was J.J. Redick's turn, who erupted for a season-high 29 points on 9-12 shooting (6-9 from three-point range). And Redick wasn't just making open shots, he was hitting shots with defenders right in his face. It was a very impressive performance from Redick.
...Carmelo Anthony played hard throughout the game, as if he was channeling all of the confusion about his future into fuel for the game. Has Melo had a more efficient offensive game all season? Oh, and his knee looked just fine.
...not only was Melo never booed, but he was cheered loudly throughout the game. Nuggets fans are showing lots of class all things considered here.
...when referee Steve Javie tee'd up "Number 15!" in the first half I thought for sure Melo got another technical. Instead, it was on Orlando's Vince Carter for talking trash after nailing a three-pointer. This ultimately won't matter as Melo's technical fouls will transfer to his next team (ok, I had to).
...beginning the second half, J.R. Smith could be seen talking trash to Howard and Carter. It was pretty funny.
...Rashard Lewis' game is worse than I thought. More on him shortly.
...J.R. - accurately dubbed "the one-man comeback" by Altitude's Scott Hastings - was incredible in the second half. But as Mordecai pointed out to me, J.R. can also be "the one-man loss" if he's not hot.
...Ty Lawson filled in admirably for the injured Billups, but backup point guard - and Denver Stiffs reader favorite - Anthony Carter deserves credit for holding down the fort when Lawson sat. A.C. had a huge steal when he ripped the ball away from Howard in the fourth quarter that cemented the Nuggets win.
...Nene disappeared for much of the game, reminding Nuggets fans everywhere why he's still not an All-Star.
...watching Stan Van Gundy up-close is a treat. He's quite a contrast from Karl. While Karl sits patiently, Van Gundy is always standing and always yelling. As the Magic began to unravel in the fourth, all I could hear out of Van Gundy during a timeout was "fuck!", "shit!", "motherfucker!", "shit!", "fuck!" and couldn't make out what else he was yelling. It should be noted that all of his players had tuned him out by then, too. Van Gundy is still one of my favorite coaches.
...Javie still endures a lot of heat from Denver fans, notably for his past run-ins with Nick Van Exel, Dan Issel and Allen Iverson.
...as usually happened in Denver, former Nugget Malik Allen never saw any playing time.
...the Nets picking up two more first round picks today kind of says it all, doesn't it?
NON-STIFF OF THE NIGHT
-Carmelo Anthony: For the first time in a month's worth of play, Melo shot well over 50%. He also attempted more than 10 free throws, pulled down 11 boards and finished with a +/- of +17. We didn't need a reminder of how sad a post-Melo world will probably be here, but we got one tonight.
STIFF OF THE NIGHT
-Rashard Lewis: 2-9 shooting and virtually zero production in all other areas of the game. Overpaying for Lewis might have netted the Magic one NBA Finals appearance, but this investment threatens to keep them out of any future Finals appearances.
PARTING SHOT
Melo deserves credit for not letting the trade rumors distract him on the court, but enough is enough already. If Melo does indeed what to be elsewhere, the Nuggets need to move him. We don't need to be spending our nights at Pepsi Center asking: "is this Melo's last game as a Nugget?"
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Great Post Andy
Overheard during Nuggets radio broadcasts in the 80's: "....Hanzlik.....HEY HANZLIK...don't ever dribble the ball again or I'll bench your ass!" Doug Moe
by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 14, 2010 11:44 PM MST reply actions
this is either a typo or VERY clever.... which is it?
I can’t say enough about how much it was to watch Howard tonight.
by InboundingLobPass on Dec 14, 2010 11:50 PM MST reply actions
LOL
Overheard during Nuggets radio broadcasts in the 80's: "....Hanzlik.....HEY HANZLIK...don't ever dribble the ball again or I'll bench your ass!" Doug Moe
by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 14, 2010 11:51 PM MST up reply actions
LOL
I got “fun” in there when I did my second edit…
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by Andrew Feinstein on Dec 14, 2010 11:52 PM MST up reply actions
So you did! I was wonder what word went there.
Interesting that Howard was so gracious to the crowd. It kinda flies in the face of his recent ad where he says, “You may follow me but you don’t know me,” maybe he WANTS the people to know him.
by InboundingLobPass on Dec 14, 2010 11:56 PM MST up reply actions
There was a game tonight??? NOW WAY
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Overheard during Nuggets radio broadcasts in the 80's: "....Hanzlik.....HEY HANZLIK...don't ever dribble the ball again or I'll bench your ass!" Doug Moe
by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 15, 2010 12:07 AM MST up reply actions
Sooooooo
anything happen tonight?
Overheard during Nuggets radio broadcasts in the 80's: "....Hanzlik.....HEY HANZLIK...don't ever dribble the ball again or I'll bench your ass!" Doug Moe
by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 15, 2010 12:06 AM MST reply actions
should i stay up???
let's go nuggets! who u wit?
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by 808inDenver on Dec 15, 2010 12:07 AM MST up reply actions
nah
I don’t think anything will happen
Overheard during Nuggets radio broadcasts in the 80's: "....Hanzlik.....HEY HANZLIK...don't ever dribble the ball again or I'll bench your ass!" Doug Moe
by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 15, 2010 12:09 AM MST up reply actions
Pretty boring if you ask me.
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average game...average day
Overheard during Nuggets radio broadcasts in the 80's: "....Hanzlik.....HEY HANZLIK...don't ever dribble the ball again or I'll bench your ass!" Doug Moe
by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 15, 2010 12:11 AM MST up reply actions
stupid question Jeff...Is Melo's extension for 3 years?
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Yes....plus the option year which would be essentially a 4 year deal
Overheard during Nuggets radio broadcasts in the 80's: "....Hanzlik.....HEY HANZLIK...don't ever dribble the ball again or I'll bench your ass!" Doug Moe
by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 15, 2010 12:16 AM MST up reply actions
but it is a 3 year extension
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 15, 2010 12:18 AM MST up reply actions
Lotta confusion about that
People are saying Melo is getting a way worse deal than the 5 year max that many players got this past summer. The 3 year extension includes his option year next year and it was offered before this season began.
So, Melo having signed the extension is equal to a 5 year, max contract signed last summer. The summer of 2010. It was the best and highest offer the Nuggets could make at the time
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by runningdonut on Dec 15, 2010 12:21 AM MST up reply actions
Good writeup Andrew...
Thanks as always for your informative posts and a perspective that us DS readers rarely get to see.
I also thought this game was great for coach reactions. Karl’s bug-eyes at Nene’s double technical with Howard had me laughing.
Also, no mention of JR giving Redick a 5-point play? That was one of the most hilarious, facepalming moments I have ever had as a Nugget fan and firmly cemented JR Smith, in my eyes, as the Nuggets’ more athletic better three-point-shooting Ron Artest.
Swats.
Uhhhh I guess?
Both have similar career trajectories, Ron Artest only won his first ring last year. I don’t see how that makes him “5x the player JR will ever be”, especially given that JR probably has another decade in the league.
Swats.
by Colin Neilson on Dec 15, 2010 9:10 AM MST up reply actions
Thanks for trolling by again
in your cranky pants.
by love4nuggets on Dec 15, 2010 10:49 AM MST up reply actions
It's the only pants he has!
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Thanks for stopping by
But once again you say a one line comment that has nothing to do with facts, but more so of your personal opinion, which has no thought behind it at all. Do you watch basketball? Have you ever watched basketball? Or did you join this blog and decide to throw out names once in a while? Did you join this blog because you Google’d it and it had pretty colors on the front? I would really like to know. If you can’t answer this somewhat simple questions that require next to no IQ or brain stimulation, then STOP POSTING YOUR BULLSHIT ON HERE.
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by Army of Nugs on Dec 15, 2010 7:43 PM MST up reply actions
Good win
Nuggets have a sense of urgency at home, they just don’t panic when things are falling apart and figure out how to get rolling again. I can’t explain it. Orlando’s meltdown at the end was a factor, but our guys were clicking.It was fun to watch
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by Army of Nugs on Dec 15, 2010 7:43 PM MST up reply actions
This Anthony fella had himself a good game
someday he will get mentioned on this site. Now lets go beat the crap out of the floppers from the south
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Excellent recap
I thought tonight was also Melo’s best game in a really long time. It wasn’t jus this numbers, but his overal bravado and way the he perfromed that had me impressed. I don’t remember him taking one bad shot all night. It’s nights like these that make me pause, go silent for a few seconds and replay all the great memories I’ve had since Melo has been a Nugget. Though we beg for Melo to be traded now, his value to this franchise can’t be overstated. No, he’s not Lebron. No, he’s not Duncan. But he’s our Lebron, and our Duncan. To this franchise he’s everything that represents winning and may forever be the catylist that flips us from perrenial lottery contender, to a franchise culture that is winning. I know it’s hard to believe, but I truly love Melo in a way. No, I don’t dream about him at night like SDcat (just kidding SD), but he’s been a large part of my life for the past seven years or so. Once it happens, it’s gonna be emotional looking back at this era.
That said….. GET ER DONE Masai! It’s time for everyone to move on, so lets get us some Favors and picks, Favors and picks!
As for the rest of tonight’s game…
Like I said before, the Magic are overrated. I think Chicago would kick their ass in a 7-game series if they met. They just have too many guys underperforming on that team. What the hell happened to the Rashard Lewis from two years ago that was a solid All-Star? What the hell happened to the up-and-coming All-Star PG that was Jameer Nelson? And most of all, what the hell happened to Vince Carter? He looks absolutely nothing like the Vince Carter I remember always seemingly going off whenever we faced the Nets. I mean, he’s 33 for crying out loud, and yet he seems like he’s closing in on being over-the-hill. The Magic will continue to be a good team in the future, but they’re gonna need someone other than D-12 to step up because JJ “The Long Lost Brother of Tim Tebow” Redick is not gonna cut it every night.
I still like this team when JR gets a lot of mintues and touches. He just emobies everything that this Nuggets team has been for so long – a bunch of knuckleheads with all the talent in the world – that it’s gonna be hard for me to see him go too if that is the case. I still love JR and I know there are a few that are with me on this, but I think the team can live and die with JR’s production. Yeah, he’ll always make some dumb mistakes, but he nearly always comes back and matches them with some incredible scores and effort to go along with it. Tonight, he was once again the energy guy who took us from being tied with the Magic, to pulling away in my eyes.
Ty was alright in his start. I swear to God there’s a CP3 in that kid, and all it needs is some confidence, assertiveness and determination before it starts to come out. Ty is just so damn hesitant, and doens’t realize how to use his skills for the benifit of the team. I really, really suggest the Nuggets work with him, or bring in someone like Gary Payton to help with his developement, becase if he could start buzzing around the floor, making guys chase after him he’d open up the floor for his teamates so much more.
I’m sure there was some other stuff I was going to mention, but it’s late and my brain is basically fried from all these “rumors” going around so I must have forgot them. Oh yeah, Hastings is the greatest announcer ever. I hope he never leaves.
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Melo wont sign for Jersey
Melo wont sign for Jersey…Melo wont sign for Jersey..No wonder the trade fell apart…Melo wont sign for Jersey. Why would he want to go to that losing team? Losing franchise more like it. Did you hear Webber and Mchale laughing at Vucacic for being traded there? I think Melo would actually rather stay in Denver than go there. He should just tell his wife to look at that giant rock on her finger, remember where it came from and learn to ski..Staying in Denver gives him the best chance to win. The only other sensible option would be Orlando or New York. New Jersey will not happen.
But, from the Nugs perspective it isnt a bad deal. Im glad the rumors are heating up because it gives us more leverage. Just saying it wont happen.
Melo screwed up
in this game of high stakes poker. He slipped up and said that his first order of business is to sign the extension. NJ kicked their game into high gear. They have agreed to trade Melo to the Nugs….even without his approval. THey know that even if he hasn’t signed at the dotted line, once he is in NJ his only choice is NJ to get his extension…they won’t trade him to NY…they know he wants that extension and they have other things going for them: New York City, Brooklyn, an agressive owner, a defensive minded coach, a pretty good center, a pretty good point guard, a new arena and cap space to add another star…Chris Paul?….
Don't know about the point guard
Unless you are talking about Farmar or Vujacic. Harris could be gone if we are getting a Batum in return.
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Doesn't look like that is happening anymore
with Batum…
Favors, Murphy and three or four picks seems to be the accepted right now. Although…based on Melo’s reaction when he was told….I’m not sure Melo is going to sign off.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 15, 2010 1:21 AM MST up reply actions
Its still 2 first round picks according to the Nuggets source that TV 7 quoted.
However, the extra 2 picks would be used to convince Melo that Nets will pursue another star.
Nets will not trade Favors without a guarantee of Melo signing.
Still, I don’t trust the accuracy of TV 7.
Favors looked really good last night, although with TWill being traded and Morrow being injured, the rest of Nets team looked awful, besides knowing that trades were happening.
I'm in agreement there
Melo’s reaction said it all then there’s the NY-or-bust rumors which simply haven’t gone away, or been confirmed. NJ, however, is desperate. They are pulling out all the stops. Then, you have Melo’s people behind the scenes doing whatever it is they do, reportedly trying to get him to come around to NJ for months and months now. His wife and all that nonsense you can throw in that bag too. There is a lot to consider. Still think it’s gonna be a week or more and a multi team deal. The four picks represent so many possibilities and permutations of various deals, they likely won’t all be coming to us in one fell swoop.
I just think it’s at least a week before any dust settles in this madness. Also, I really do have a feeling that at least one dark horse team will make a serious play that could change the landscape. I did not expect NJ to get so aggressive so early. That’s what put things in motion and is a little surprising. For now, patience. And cheering Melo – and being the shit out of San Antonio.
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by runningdonut on Dec 15, 2010 1:47 AM MST up reply actions
All I'm saying is
The sheer unlikelihood, and frankly the pure shock factor of the idea that Melo wants to leave us to go play for the (currently) the worst team in the East (and sign a 4 year extension with them) – isn’t necessarily what’s important here. Can’t just assume he won’t do that and everything stops there. Just the maneuvering of several teams already to set the table for a potential deal says a lot. It simply says look out for a likely multi-team trade being out there – and look what is up for grabs in all this. A superstar top 10 franchise player, FOUR first round picks, expiring contracts of every shape and size and cap relief out the wazoo. It simply behooves every team in the league to set up their own angle in this, whether it be snagging a pick out of this, unloading a contract, getting a player they otherwise wouldn’t be able to get in a normal trade. It behooves an established GM like Billy King to use all of his old-school connects to assist newcomer Masai Ujiri in this front-office warzone. Tons of teams out there stand to play a card in this game, and they are required to look into it. Teams that have other dealings in mind outside of Melo are going to look to move and possibly get in now. It’s simply a game changing league wide move now and tons of stuff is in play – shit just got real.
Example, I expect NY to go out and get a first round pick soon. That rumored Randolph to Houston pick they had in their back pocket suddenly doesn’t look so good now. I don’t know dude, I still think we are week plus out of this mess but movers and shakers are bound to start moving… and shaking
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by runningdonut on Dec 15, 2010 2:10 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah....if you saw Melo's face when he was told of it
it wasn’t only surprise….I saw panic….something I can say I’ve NEVER seen on Melo’s face.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 15, 2010 2:10 AM MST up reply actions
Me too...
I keep looking for it online but to no avail
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by Army of Nugs on Dec 15, 2010 7:46 PM MST up reply actions
he may not have a choice...
NJ may throw their balls on the line and accept the deal anyway thinking that Melo will sign later wants he settles into the New York limelight.. Really…why does he want to go to the Knicks as opposed to the Nets..he can live in the same damn place and do the same damn things…only difference is Nets coach coaches defense and the Knicks coach doesn’t know how to spell defense. Knicks are doing well right now but they will collapse soon.
The cat is now out of the bag. NJ and Den know that Melo wants his money and the only way he is going to get that extension is with us or NJ. We have the power not to trade him and tell him to kiss off and dare him to walk. NJ may be going all in without looking at the flop but if they win it will be a big deal. If they lose oh well they suck now anyway and will have a bunch of cap space to take a swing. Maybe there is a deal that if Melo doesn’t sign we get Favors still but less draft picks…..
Favors is not being traded w/o an extension in place.
However, you are right about Nets being best for Melo, for what he wants.
Melo would be Batman/Superman with Prokhorov.
There would be a great rivalry with Knicks.
There would be plenty of endorsement deals.
With Knicks, Amare would still be the Superstar and get credit for turning around the Knicks.
6-19...
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by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 15, 2010 4:25 PM MST up reply actions
just because melo reacted in a surprised manner
doesn’t mean that he won’t accept. Just means he expects us to kiss his ass and make a deal with the Knicks. We are simply calling his bluff.
If we don’t deal with Knicks yet he wants to go there his choices are:
Knicks and no extension
Nets and extension…
again why would he say no to all that money just to play down the street when the teams are comprable yet the front office and coach is better with the Nets…..
Wow we didn't talk about that
I can’t believe when I saw you before the game we didn’t get to the nets trade for draft picks. It was crazy!!! I was walking into work when I got the text about it and knew it means there is going to be a serious powerplay for Melo from NJ. I didn’t know if we would see melo through the night. The Nets IMO are making this play at Melo now so they don’t end up like the Knicks did last summer trying to get LeBron and end up with almost nothing (hey they are good but no one expected this!) to show for saving tons of cap space and only getting 1 piece of their puzzle. These draft pics the Nets picked up could be a big deal here. We don’t need a face of the franchse like we did when Melo was drafted. We were in desperate need then, now however we have a solid enough core that can give a good chance at some draft picks being able to develop without all the scrutiny or attention that melo had to deal with when he was first drafted. I do not like the fact that we are going to lose Melo but we are in a better spot than we were a few years ago without him.
As we talked about at the game check out the stuff on GK’s 1k win and I think you will agree that we need to get rid of some of these other players or at least try and change some attitudes. I felt it was totally classless and showed so little respect to someone who has accomplished so much.
Hate to be a downer
But why stock pile a bunch of 2011 picks with the inpendening lockout and a weak draft class those picks are useless. We need face value not useless draft picks.
by tknuckle on Dec 15, 2010 5:17 AM MST via mobile reply actions
good question
I also want to hear more about this.
by ParkHillNative on Dec 15, 2010 10:44 AM MST up reply actions
There is no lockout
Several teams have already voted to decertify the union if the owners attempt a lockout. There will be basketball next year.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 15, 2010 10:49 AM MST up reply actions
is that for sure now? I thought that was just speculation
by ParkHillNative on Dec 15, 2010 10:50 AM MST up reply actions
The players can't afford a season with no salary
http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/67542
NBA players have begun the process of authorizing the decertification of the National Basketball Players Association, a move meant as a countermeasure if the league locks out players when the collective-bargaining agreement expires in June, sources said.
Players for at least two NBA clubs have voted unanimously to authorize decertification after meeting with NBPA Executive Director Billy Hunter, sources said. Hunter is asking players at each club to vote to allow the union to disband, or decertify, as he makes his annual fall tour of locker rooms.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 15, 2010 11:02 AM MST up reply actions
Question About the Trade
Let’s say the trade to the Nets goes through and Carmelo Anthony doesn’t agree to sign the extension (at least right away). Aren’t the Nets then the only team he can get this much money from in the future, unless they do a bullshit sign and trade a la the Cavs and Raptors this summer? To me if that is the case, trading him to anywhere without a guaranteed extension signing is still a lot more than just trading him as a pure rental. It’s more of a lease with an exclusive first right to buy. But I don’t know all the rules, I know there is the restriction on players who moved this summer being traded before December 15 (as talked about ad nauseum on this site), is there a similar restriction on players who are traded during the season being traded again?
PS: LaLa is ugly, untalented, never even was a bit famous, totally sucks and this is all her fault. I’m glad that at least Carmelo didn’t respect her enough to get married for over 5 years even after they had two kids, and I talk solace in the fact that he definitely bangs NBA groupies all over the country on road games. I’m surprised she hasn’t Tiger Woods’d his ass just for the publicity. To me it seems very possible that he has become her little lap dog of late because she threatened to pull a Nordegren and instead used the leverage to get him to move to a big market to help her “career.”
That is correct and I think Melo would eventually sign instead of taking less money
As to your PS: Wow, lol…
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Easy Pal
BKnuggs, that’s a human being you’re talking about. It’s one thing to get fired up about sports, but posts like that give passionate fans a bad name. It’s basketball. A game. Classless post…
It was basically a joke
but something definitely changed in the whole Melo/LaLa dynamic in the last year and a half, you’ve got to admit that. Also, I’ve got just as much of a reliable anonymous “source” to back up my story as any “journalist” who has published anything on the trade story to date.
Also, if you or anyone thinks my internet post was low or classless, I hope Melo is ready for the New York media, questions about this are what would be considered “soft balls.”
Also, at least Yoko Ono had a little bit of musical talent. LaLa was the sideline reporter on TRL, I don’t think MTV even ever made her a full-time VJ. And we all know that once you have a reality show (The VH1 wedding thing) you are completely fair game for any public criticism, conjecture, or comical hyperbolic slander. You went to the trouble of seeking out a camera crew to film your private life, and now we get to say whatever we want about you.
Also, you guys know why Melo doesn’t play defense, becasue LaLa told him not to.
So a brand new day...and Melo is still a Nugget..
Yay….!
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I am Still in the "Ride the Season Out" Camp
As shown last night, without CB, Bird, and Kmart, the Nuggs dominated one of the best in the East. Get those three guys healthy, this team has a legitimate shot at the Finals. How many times have the Nuggs been to the NBA Finals??? NEVER!! If you have a shot at this once in a franchise opportunity, you take it. The whole landscape of the League will change with a new collective bargaining agreement. if the Nuggs make the Finals, you can almost guarantee Melo signs the extension. I say quit listening to the east coast media’s lust to have the Knicks relevant again, and ride the season out with Melo!!
by ACEIII on Dec 15, 2010 8:40 AM MST via mobile reply actions
i wish it wasnt so, but i just dont have much faith in the health of kmart and bird.
resting a run at the title on the knees of those two gives me shivers.
by calvin brodus on Dec 15, 2010 8:47 AM MST up reply actions
+1 again
Also, the Magic have really been sucking lately. I mean, it was a great win, but not nearly as great as it would be if they beat the Spurs tomorrow.
by ParkHillNative on Dec 15, 2010 10:46 AM MST up reply actions
Hmmmm.... I feel like i've heard this before
Sounds like a Cleveland fan 09-10 edition
KMart's knees are almost robotic in nature
I don’t even know how much longer they’re going to hold…
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I would be if he kept playing like last night
I say trade him now if he continues to play like he did the last month.
Last night was as good a game as Melo played all season.
Denver first.
Maybe the Nugs should just hem and haw...
until Melo’s next bad game, consummating the deal during one of Melo’s pouty, has one and deserves three technicals, me first, no defense, 4-18 nights.
But right now, play him against SA.
Denver first.
This!
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It means you strongly agree with the person's comment in both form and function.
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i'd be there with you but
look at this rollercoaster ride. we can’t even talk about the great win cause day after day the internet explodes with speculation. you think that doesn’t affect the players like it does the fans? it’s gotta stop.
I really think some are underestimating a professional athlete's ability
to weather this stuff with not as much angst as we fans suffer.
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Professional they are
live in a vaccum they don’t
Everything is about Melo and the impending doom
I can’t wait till it’s over, so we can get back to this team. There are 10 others on this team that want to be here, lets focus on them
No, but they learn how to cope with this kind of speculation their entire careers.
I think to presume they are freaking out is a little over the top.
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I'm a little late posting on this
having just finished cleaning up all the vomit on the floor that occurred due to not one but two references to Karl and Coach of the year. 4-8 on the road. That’s all I have to say about that.
Thursty with his head in his hands? We now know Thursty is George Karl.
Don’t know if anyone else noticed from the game on Sunday. At one point Anthony catches the ball with his left foot just inside the free throw line. He establishes the left as his pivot foot. He then moves his left foot about 6 to 8 times before driving to the basket for a shot. Just prior to starting his drive, his left foot is well outside the free throw line. He moved it about two feet. No traveling called. It was amazing.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 15, 2010 9:15 AM MST reply actions
The defense lawyer in me says
his foot is sliding outside the free throw line as he gets mauled and shoved in the back by his defender, which is where the real failure of the refs lies.
Denver first.
melo changes his pivot foot every possession
lol.
so does paul pierce and everyone else in the nba. only arron afflalo gets called for traveling tho….
let's go nuggets! who u wit?
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I remember that
I was laughing at my TV because it was terribly obvious. One of the reasons Melo has such a quick first step is that he is allowed to move both feet by the officials. Melo may not get calls like Kobe or LePout but he difinitely gets some.
i like the offensive pace and defensive hustle
when cb1 is not playin. way too much isolations when he plays. even tho ac carter sucks, he gets people movin away from the ball.
while its hard to question cb1’s leadership and intangibles, physically im not sure if hes a good fit for this team anymore. its a PG league now and cb1 is gettin eaten up by players named Felton and Augustin. he allows oppossing PGs to control the pace of the game and he doesnt push the ball enough where the nuggets thrive. and his shooting slump has continued from last season…will things change when his wrist heals?
he needs to lock in on D and push the pace.
let's go nuggets! who u wit?
firegeorgekarl.com
THEY MUST NOT TRADE MELO UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!
From probasketballtalk.
• Anthony Carter (Nuggets): There will be interest here, but the question is are the Nuggets keeping Chauncey Billups if they move Carmelo Anthony? If Billups goes Carter may get more run. If not they may move him.
So if they trade Melo, they may trade Billups, and in the process keep A.C. and give him more minutes! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But seriously, AC played much more effectively than I feared. Solid game by AC last night.
And Karl got a technical. That’s two solid coaching performances in a row out of Karl. A.C. playing well, Karl coaching well. The universe may be coming to an end.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 15, 2010 9:39 AM MST reply actions
I wondered about that last night
when AC was getting solid minutes. Wondered if we would start seeing more of him as a backup or even worse the starter………NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I thought "sources" said Chauncey stays even if Melo goes...
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Chris Dempsey was saying that as well
Chauncey want’s to stay
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 15, 2010 10:15 AM MST up reply actions
Of course he'd want to stay
He’d would be the unquestioned leader of the Nuggets, leading a new group of youngins’ to the promised land!
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It's not entirely up to him
Say the nuggets make the melo trade. They aren’t winning a title this season. They’ve decided they are going to opt out of the last season of Billups contract, so he’s gone at the end of the season. One of the title contenders who needs a pg calls offering a good package for him. That’s a scenario where they might trade him.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 15, 2010 10:39 AM MST up reply actions
AC has a no trade clause in his contract
Chauncey according to sources and Jeff’s sources is here to stay…
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YESSS!!!
AC IS THE ANSWER!!! (AI was never the answer).
The Founder of the AC Fan Club!
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NO the ANSWER is Jonathan Herrera....oh wait
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First Round Picks
What does ‘lottery-protected’ mean?
It means
That if the pick winds up in the lottery, then the original team keeps the pick and gives up the same round pick in a future year.
So, with the trade Houston shipped there 2011 first rounder to the nets, lottery protected. If Houston ends up in the lottery (out of the playoffs), then they keep the pick for 2011 and the Nets get their 2012 first rounder. Depending on the exact details of the trade, it may or may not be lottery protected in 2012 as well. Sometimes picks are protected for several years, like the one the nuggets gave up to get Lawson.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 15, 2010 9:57 AM MST up reply actions
I dunno, I hope Melo realizes the grass isn't greener
and that he’s got his best chance now with the Nuggets.
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Had that "OH SHIT" look when they asked him about going to the Nets
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Why won't someone post that video for us out of towners?
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I wish I had the means to do it, but I changed channels on my receiver (Seinfeld was on!) and I lost that buffer
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I blame Newman
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by SDcat09 on Dec 15, 2010 10:07 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly
If the trade is Favors, Murphy, 4 first rounders, and another young player, I don’t see how the nuggets turn that down. I’m not one of the “team gets better by trading Melo” guys on here (yes, I’m looking at you Gasus). But that is such a massive haul that I think you have to do it. The team as currently constructed isn’t a legitimate contender, and I don’t see anyone with a Gasol style gift trade knocking on the door. I think you’d have to do that deal.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 15, 2010 10:01 AM MST up reply actions
I don't see that happening if Melo doesn't sign off
I can’t get that look on Melo’s face out of my head. It has told me that Melo won’t want to go to NJ under any circumstances.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 15, 2010 10:17 AM MST up reply actions
SOMEBODY POSTTHE DANG LINK!!!
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yes...because that's been sooooo successful in the past
Melo will love playing along side Lebr…..wait…he’s not there.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Dec 15, 2010 10:24 AM MST up reply actions
I wish I saw it...
but from all descriptions, Melo does not want to be a Net.
Hopefully, NJ owner is nuts enough to do the trade as rental under the arrogant belieft that Melo will sign the extension because the Knicks don’t want him and only NJ will give him the $$. In other words, I hope Melo is faced with the choice of Nuggets and $, Nets and $ or free agency under new CBA. Denver would look to be the first choice but for Melo’s apparent dislike of Denver and/or the Nuggets (despite what he says to the contrary).
Denver first.
except the quote I posted yesterday
that said the Nets have received assurances from the nets that he would sign with them. That look could just have easily been an “I am really tired of answering these questions” look.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 15, 2010 10:36 AM MST up reply actions
What is this double standard?
we’re not supposed to read his non-verbal communication
untill it comes to the Nets, come on guys you can’t have it both ways
What's left for we, the fans, to do
since everyone (Melo, owners, GMs agents) sees fit to deny information to the mass of people who pay these a’holes’ salaries.
Denver first.
I agree margabelle
I’ve been trying to pickup non-verbal ques all season
Some on here tell me not to read into it, then they do the same?
I think this examination of Melo's face is in proper context
Many people are looking at his smiles, and grimaces etc while he’s playing.
In this case, he was told point blank that he was traded. I think in this case it’s fair to notice his reaction…
I think that is the difference.
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Seems
kinda like
good for nuggets = accept non-verbal ques
bad for nuggets = deny non-verbal ques
Not trying to be smart ass either, just seems like a double standard to me
I want to see it to though SD
everyone is talking about is reaction to it last night
My boss just came in and asked if I saw the reaction
As in "did you notice how Melo's reaction to being a Net...
mirrored my reaction when I see you, Melonugg, blog commenting on company time??"
Denver first.
Don't know what you're talking about
whos Melonugg? I know nothing, you can’t prove anything….
by Melonugg on Dec 15, 2010 11:37 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
That's not the case at all.
Hey, Melo’s demeanor when being asked a direct question about being traded is something that is fair to address. Positive or negative
Reading into every smile, grimace, or how he sits on the bench during games seems pointless…because it tells you nothing….
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It all comes down to $83 million guaranteed
if he refuses the extension, it costs him at least $10 million, and probably more than that, plus he could lose a lot of the guarantee.
And no, he’s not going to make it up in endorsements. If he’s playing for the nets he has the same New York endorsement opportunities as if he’s playing for the Knicks.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 15, 2010 11:09 AM MST up reply actions
No he doesn't
The Nets get shitted on in NY daily. Everyone thinks they are a joke. Even during their Finals appearances in 02-03, no one took them seriously Check out the Nets blog on here. They always talk about how they get no respect. WAY more endorsements as a Knick. Not even close, tbh…
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by King Henry the 2nd on Dec 15, 2010 4:31 PM MST up reply actions
Chauncey
Chauncey has got to go. Long in the tooth does not begin to describe him. Lion in winter was three years ago. Over the hill went out the window.
He can’t stay in front of ANYONE. Derek Fisher looks like John Wall when matched with the Chaunce.
Turnovers: thy name is Chaunce. Bad pass is on his passport. JR surely inherited his penchant for bad shots from the Godfather.
The surest manifestation that he is slipping is his propensity to fall down for no apparent reason. He is a stumblin’. fumblin’ Grandad out there.
Like the other fellow who needs to be run out of town, he only passes when all else fails. And he’s a POINT GUARD.
Ty Lawson is the future NOW. He is a blur and will not defer(anymore). Hanging on to the Chaunce only retards Lawson’s growth.
Playing the Chaunce’s minutes, Lawson goes for 18 and 9 every night. When did the Chaunce ever put those numbers up.
And the worst part is he thinks he is still the MAN.
Quite a first comment on any SB Nation blog
You must really hate Chauncey to open an account solely to bash him.
Denver first.
It can't be AC
I can read it.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Dec 15, 2010 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
Look Renaldo
you don’t play PG so getting Chanucey out doesn’t help your cause, it was a worthy plea though…now get Karl some Tacos.
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Glad to hear we won
While Orlando has been shaky lately they are still a quality team and its a very solid victory for the Nuggets. Our home dominance is bordering on unreal.
Games boycotted:1
Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?
Trade Melo!
I don't understand your sudden change of heart with Melo?
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Because it has become abundantly clear he doesn't want to play hear
I held out hope that he would stay, but when Ujiri said “it’s an unfortunate situation” the writing truly was on the wall. At that point I asked myself why am I watching when both management and the star player have completely thrown their fans under the bus because “this is a business” Well if its a business then fine, I’m taking my share of the revenue their business receives away until they solve the issue.
Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?
Trade Melo!

























