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Winning the games we're supposed to win (Nuggets/Clippers recap)...

Paul-photo_mediumAfter being pounded in the press for not consistently beating sub-.500 teams, our Nuggets seem to have gotten back on track against the NBA's lesser squads.  The hard work, however, lays ahead.

Star-divide

Last night's victory over the Clippers was yet another snoozer in a long line of snoozers that we've seen at Pepsi Center this season when the opposing team is playing the second of a back-to-back.  Most of these games follow the same pattern that we witnessed last night: the opposing team puts up a surprisingly good fight in the first half, the Nuggets don't take the first half seriously, George Karl (presumably) demands a good third quarter out of his squad during halftime, the Nuggets kick ass in the third quarter opening a big lead, and the two teams trade baskets during a meaningless fourth quarter.  Frankly, when the opponents are on the second of a back-to-back, they should just stop playing fourth quarters so fans can go drinking in LoDo a half hour earlier.

But this is what good teams do.  Coast in the first half, dominate the third quarter, trade baskets in the fourth quarter.  I watch a lot of Lakers and Cavaliers games, and their games almost universally follow the same pattern.  And I certainly wouldn't mind seeing the Nuggets stay among those elite teams for the foreseeable future!

Non-Stiffs of the Night

Carmelo Anthony: Regular readers of this blog already know the number I'm going to point to - 16.  That was the number of free throw attempts Melo had as he continues to rack up free throws, perhaps the best sign that he really "gets it" this season.  The number is even more impressive considering Melo didn't play for much of the fourth quarter.  And even though he only had two assists, Melo made some great passes to set up teammates for easy buckets.

Kenyon Martin: The only thing that pisses me off about K-Mart these days is that I didn't immediately pick him up for my fantasy team when Melo got hurt a few weeks ago.  It's as if K-Mart is getting better with each passing week.

Chauncey Billups: Speaking of "getting it," Billups has settled into a groove that includes consistent shooting...making him even more dangerous than he already was.

Stiffs of the Night

The Davis "Brothers": Baron and Ricky Davis (no relation) combined for 5-24 shooting and averaged a +/- of -22.5. 

J.R. Smith: I feel like we're picking on Smith a lot lately.  Ok, we are picking on Smith a lot lately.  But how many more 1-7 shooting nights do we need to endure from the Nuggets erratic two-guard?

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I meant…JR’s 1-7….and that was the dunk that was assisted by Lawson on the fast break…It’s always the same things with Smith….shot selection. Hopefully he gets hot after the all-star break.

by NuggetsLife on Jan 22, 2010 9:03 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes, hopefully

GK sounds very down on JR right now (even more than normal), which I’m sure is not helping JR or his confidence. This is going to be the most interesting development of the second half…unless there is a big trade/move by the Nugs (which I doubt).

Not much to say about the game. Chauncey is playing awesome, which is fun to watch. It is nice to have our leader back.

by Pusherman on Jan 22, 2010 9:33 AM MST up reply actions  

JR's full line:

1-7 (0-3 from 3), 1-2 FT, 2 assists, 3 turnovers, 1 foul, 3 points. In 24 minutes.

Ty Lawson’s full line

4-6 (2-3 from 3), 1-2 FT, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, ZERO turnovers, 1 foul, 11 points. In TWENTY minutes.

Any questions who the better guard is at this point? JR can’t even score well anymore.

I haven’t seen a good game/effort from JR since the Atlanta game where he dropped 10 threes. If we don’t see one in the next few games, look for the FO to make a serious trade deadline push for him.

Swats.

by BeefySwats on Jan 22, 2010 10:12 AM MST up reply actions  

JR / LK

we sure didn’t mind ragging on linus last season. if you had to listen to my girlfriend about kleiza’s slump like i had to listen to lk’s slump you would have lit your hair on fire and ran down the street naked screaming in chinese. but she doesn’t say shit about her player of choice – jr.

by spokenwar on Jan 22, 2010 11:45 AM MST up reply actions  

I think JR is doing some good things even if his shot is off . .

Despite the missed 360 lay-up, I thought most of JR’s shots were fine. A late deep three in the shot clock from the top, a missed wide open three off a Billups pass, a missed finish at the rim, all looked like good atttempts to me. If he makes those, his line looks great.

But, I was impressed with JR’s effort. Late in the fourth quarter, JR was stuck on the weak side in the corner covering the shooter (Butler?), the Clips ran a pick and roll on the strong side and Denver’s big underneath came out to the FT to cover the roll. JR smartly left his corner man, got inside position on Craig Smith (who was killing Birdman), making a pass for the easy dunk not accessible. Then when the long jumper missed, JR blocked out C. Smith and got the rebound. Not only did he he play a technically perfect defensive possession, but it was when the Nugs were up 20 in the last five minutes.

Sometimes, it is not only about the results, but also about the process.

by Frontrange on Jan 22, 2010 3:04 PM MST up reply actions  

im glad he passed up that 3

and instead passed it to Ty in the corner, who hit a 3.

by 808inDenver on Jan 22, 2010 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

...and does anyone know who...

that group picture is of in the clipperblog game thread from last night? The picture looks like the most uncool rock band ever.

by margabelle on Jan 22, 2010 9:20 AM MST up reply actions  

Fixed!

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by Andrew Feinstein on Jan 22, 2010 9:33 AM MST up reply actions  

The fog sure is pretty this morning

Kenyon Martin was amazing. His much-maligned outside shot was in full effect, draining two straight threes to nail up the coffin. He is a much better shooter than he gets credit for. But I tend to agree with those who would criticize a lot of the jumpers he takes. We have Melo for taking ill-advised jumpers, thanks you.

Lawson didn’t have a dominating night off the bench, but he was solid: 11 points, 4 assists and his 6 rebounds was move than Nene (3) and Kamen (5), who played more minutes and are a foot taller. Oh, an no turnovers.

Smith is going to continue to get flack about poor-shooting nights. But he still deserves a pat on the back for his improved all-around play. And while the numbers may not show it, he seems to be a lot better about his shot selection. He’s still got a ways to go, though.

Andersen had an OK night. The 6 points and 2 blocks were nothing special, but his 9 boards help make up for Nene taking the night off in that department.

Fun third quarter to watch. As exciting as close games are, this is what I expect from my Thugs every home game. I don’t care who they are playing.

Am I doomed to hell for all my rock 'n' roll?

by Fly Agaric on Jan 22, 2010 9:19 AM MST reply actions  

Andersen does look better

It did seem that he was getting into more of a defensive flow if you will later in the 4th. I think part of his ineffectiveness this year is from him biting on all the head fakes. But overall it seems that his timing is coming back. We’re gonna need him to be there in the second half of the season!

by NuggetsLife on Jan 22, 2010 5:23 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

The thing about K-Mart

Is that his shot selection isn’t bad, unlike JR. No, he doesn’t have a silky smooth j, but he knows that and doesn’t constantly take bad shots.

by GoldenNugget on Jan 22, 2010 7:34 PM MST up reply actions  

I saw that this was Melo's 4th double double of the year

I’m surprised he only has 4. He seems like the type of player that should average close to a double double.

by skithebert on Jan 22, 2010 9:33 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

You beat me to it.

He got 10 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, and 3 TO’s.

There has been a lot of Camby talk lately, with some fans on this site. So I decided to watch Camby closely last night to see his game. 7 points, 6 Rebs, 2 assists in 25 minutes. I was paying attention until the fourth, so perhaps the two assists happened in garbage time. I did not see them live. I saw camby touch the ball on the offensive end 8 times. Four times he attempted a layup/dunk, making three and getting fouled on the fourth. Those were all good shots he should have taken. The other four times he touched the ball he immiediately shot his set shot and missed. As I said, there were two assists somewhere that I missed, so he apparently passed the ball twice at some point that I did not see. The other 8 times he touched it the ball stopped with him and he shot it, with half of the shots being bad ones.

by KarlSucks on Jan 22, 2010 9:46 AM MST up reply actions  

To quote big Jack

“They call that a paradox.” Glad to see nearly all of Melo’s stat averages up this year, but yeah, his innate talent makes it clear he can do more if he focuses on his all around game. Here’s hoping all the chanting of “MVP” when he’s at the line go to his head in the right way.

by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 22, 2010 9:44 AM MST reply actions  

5 in a row

Nice to see them win a game with a big margin.
The starters played terrific, all 5 of them. The play at the Point Guard position is the best in the NBA. CB looks great and when Lawson comes in, the Nuggets pick up speed.
Would love to see JR improve from the field. Confidence is a great thing to have, but the degree of difficulty on his shots is amazing.
K-Mart…our new 3-point weapon. Make it rain brother!

by CSprings_Tommy on Jan 22, 2010 11:20 AM MST reply actions  

Opening my mouth without thinking...

Is it fair to say the Nugs have the best PG rotation in the league? (when AC is a DNP)

by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 22, 2010 11:23 AM MST up reply actions  

Possibly.

Every other team in the league would jump at the chance to get a Billups-Lawson PG rotation

by Uh on Jan 22, 2010 3:27 PM MST up reply actions  

You kidding me?

Not even a chance. Williams is decent for a backup but Nelson has played aweful this season.

by GoldenNugget on Jan 22, 2010 7:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Degree of difficulty

Yes, the spinning fad-away in the lane at full speed is a tough one.

by Pusherman on Jan 22, 2010 11:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Oh man

I know you’re kidding but jeez I hope that’s the only game all year where K-Mart attempts two 3-pointers.

by ParkHillNative on Jan 22, 2010 12:00 PM MST up reply actions  

no kidding

it was clear to everyone in the arena that those two 3’s were a joke.

by river-z on Jan 22, 2010 8:52 PM MST up reply actions  

great recap

Solid win last night. Melo looked dominant, KMart controlled the boards, Ty looked strong again after a subpar game in GS. Hopefully the team has learned to take every team seriously every night.
I still think JR is the reincarnation of Ricky Davis…

by adub on Jan 22, 2010 11:40 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

looks can be deceiving

both teams made 37 field goals. lac attempted 90 shots compared with denver’s 71. considering lac went 1 for 17 from the 3 point line this is a case of where they stopped themselves with lousy shooting. the decisive 3rd quarter denver outscored lac 29 to 9 in the first 8 minutes. the remaining 4 minutes denver was outscored 8 to 5. holding any team to 17 points in a single quarter in the nba is great defense. kmart played 39:59 for the game. consider he played 41:16 the night before in an overtime victory he is really walking the walk. billups played just under 30 minutes. anytime denver gets a win and billups plays less then 30 minutes denver has done well. like andrew said nuggets did what they were supposed to.

pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow

by nohoops4u on Jan 22, 2010 2:27 PM MST reply actions  

i really admire what kmart did...

he gave i think $1,500 for Haiti for every board he got last night… he had 14 boards, he gave them $21,000

by hvino on Jan 22, 2010 5:03 PM MST reply actions  

J.R. Smith Role

It seems unlikely the Nuggets will trade Smith but what they do need to do is limit his minutes, including pulling him off the floor promptly when he goes on one of his binges of rushed, low probability shots and/or turnovers (3 last night and the previous game). Ty and Aaron are better three point shooters, solid defenders and in the flow at all times. Its simple: give the key minutes to the players who are producing and sit down the ones who are free lancing and putting games at risk. I will give J.R. credit for more effort on defense but he still loses his man regularly and, in doing so , creates easy shots for the opponent.
As for Andersen, he is still frequently out of position and needs for competition for minutes from a grizzled veteran big man who is,low maintenance, e.g., Jeff Foster.

by rhaustin on Jan 22, 2010 6:20 PM MST reply actions  

I agree

But even Ty and Aaron have taken bad shots, rushed shots.

Everyone is down on JR right now because of the shots he doesn’t make or the shots he only imagines go in. But his overall game is much improved. Just like any player in a slump, the Nuggets just need to ride it out. He’ll be shooting the Nuggets back into games one-man-comeback style again here soon. Mark my words.

Totally agree about Andersen needing less minutes. The frontcourt needs a legit 4-man rotation. I think Malik Allen should get more minutes until a trade can be worked. There is no reason he can’t get about five or 10 a night.

I like 8-man overall rotations in playoff games and tight games. The problem with doing this every night is two-fold: 1. you wear down those regulars and increase the risk of injury and 2. it kills morale to be a decent player like Graham or Allen and never have your number called, or to be a hustle guy like Balkman and ride the pine.

Am I doomed to hell for all my rock 'n' roll?

by Fly Agaric on Jan 22, 2010 7:24 PM MST up reply actions  

best time to sub

is at the end of the 1st quarter and beginning of the 2nd quarter. nuggets can have a 9 player rotation in the first half and go to an 8 player in the second half. there are 24 minutes in a half. play nene-andersen for 6 minute stretches in the first half by using a 2 player rotation at center. use a 3 player rotation at both forward spots for the first half. the idea is to shave 4 minutes off of kmart and melo’s minutes at the end of the 1st and beginning of the 2nd quarters. that way denver keeps nene, melo and kmart out of the 40 minute range and keep them in the mid 30 minute range for the game. that 4 minute difference makes a huge difference in the 4th quarter and overtime. the second half denver can play an 8 player rotation.

pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow

by nohoops4u on Jan 22, 2010 8:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Seemed like things were really clicking last night

We can talk about how we “did what we were supposed to”, but really? Those are the types of games we have been dropping all season. Tonight was probably the first time this year that we saw that free flowing, high scoring Nuggets offense we have come to love the past few years in full effect. I’m definatly starting to feel better about the team with each passing game. Hopefully we continue to improve.

by GoldenNugget on Jan 22, 2010 7:48 PM MST reply actions  

I dunno guys

There are bigger problems to worry about than how JR sucks and the intricacies of beating the Clippers. Both teams look like they had played late last night and the best thing to do is take these wins however they come and immediately forget about it. These are exactly the kind of games Nuggets have been struggling with. The Clips really fell flat on their face on their own but who cares.

It’s so funny how badly everyone hates JR now. JR played mostly in garbage time this game and shot horribly. He is playing with effort and doing other things well and trying to get the energy up when he’s in. I still maintain Birdman looks as if he’s lost his fire and takes half of the plays off when he’s in. The main difference since getting healthy is that Chauncey has been on fire. He wasn’t shooting well before the injury and now it seems whenever we need a boost he’ll make a couple of huge buckets in a row.

by runningdonut on Jan 22, 2010 8:00 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Will the real Billups please stand -up . . .

Pre-hammy injury he was inconsitent particularly on shooting, post-hammy is all-star dominant . . .I’ll take number 2, please.

Maybe Birdman needs a 8 game injury break?

by Frontrange on Jan 23, 2010 12:11 AM MST up reply actions  

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by LACK on Jan 23, 2010 8:34 AM MST reply actions  

Enough with the JR bashing

Yes, I get it. He takes bad shots, he turns the ball over. Guess what? So does Melo, and so does Chauncey, and K-Mart, and Afflalo, and so does every freaking player on the Nuggets. Shot selection plagues the whole team, not just JR. I mean did you see the end of the first half against the Clippers when Afflalo tried to go 1-on-5 and had probably the most horrible end of a half “shot” I have seen all year? I will admit, JR has been more careless with the ball this season than previous ones. But his defense has improved considerably, and you can count on him for around 2 steals a game. I am getting sick of the readers on this blog constantly calling for his head while other players get a free pass. Mostly you Andrew. Anybody that has watched this team the last three years knows JR is a crucial part of our success. The other players like him, he excites the hometown fans, and guess what? Even though the rest of you have given up on him, opposing defenses haven’t. They still have to gameplan for him every night. If you think Melo and Chauncey’s life will get easier if JR is traded, well then I have some lovely beachfront property in Idaho I’d love for you to look at. Personally, I don’t think the Nuggets need a trade. The Lakers don’t look nearly as dominant this season, and I love our team’s chemistry. I see no need to add a fourth big if it’s going to cost us one of our glue guys, i.e. JR. I think, fully healthy, the Nugs can easily contend for #1 in the West.

by A Pimp Named Slickback on Jan 23, 2010 9:40 AM MST reply actions  

I think the reason many people, including myself, are disappointed in JR

Is because he was supposed to take a big step forward after last year’s playoffs (and what we assumed would be maturation over the summer). However, while his defense seems to have improved, his offense is as inconsistent as ever, and he still has the worst shot selection of anyone on the team. There’s also the fact that he still doesn’t hit his FT at the rate that a shooter of his caliber should.

No one is singling him out as the only problem on the team. The team struggles on defense, Balkman/Malik/Petro have been completely worthless, Nene needs to become a better rebounder, Bird is not the same Bird he was last year, and George Karl still makes questionable decisions at times.

But if you look at the other guys you mentioned, they are all having good-to-great years. Melo is having a ridiculous year offensively, Chauncey has lit up since coming back, KMart has been the defensive/rebounding anchor and played very well when Melo was out, and Afflalo has been a more-than-adequate replacement for Dahntay Jones. And then look at JR’s season thus far.

Hopefully I am wrong and JR plays great in the second half and playoffs, when we especially need it.

by Uh on Jan 23, 2010 10:46 AM MST up reply actions  

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