Billups' 10 points in OT lift Nuggets (Nuggets/Warriors recap)
The MVP of the Denver Nuggets is Chauncey Billups. Since his arrival in Denver old number seven and new number one has proved his new jersey numeral fits his importance to the Nuggets. Billups’ 10 points in overtime won the game for the Nuggets as he adds to his growing legacy.
The reasons the Warriors were able to stay with the Nuggets all night? Their guards converted outside shots, Monta Ellis created havoc whenever he had the ball and Golden State’s big men had no problem laying up or dunking uncontested shots.
Ellis, Corey Maggette and Stephen Curry combined for 87 of the Warriors 118 points and it seemed like Maggs and Ellis (72 combined points) were never going to stop scoring. As the game drew to a close it appeared that Denver was going to have enough to hold off Golden State, but some hot shooting at the end of the fourth quarter sent the game to overtime.
With 5:45 left in the fourth quarter the Warriors held a 95-92 lead and I just sensed that one of the teams was ready to go on a scoring run and hoped that Denver was going to be that team. Over the next few minutes the Nuggets went on a 12-5 scoring run and Kenyon Martin’s 11th rebound that he stuffed home gave Denver a 104-100 lead with just 1:49 left to play. Should have been game over for Denver.
The Warriors didn’t quit and Ellis hit the game tying three-pointer to make it 105-105. Carmelo Anthony did his best to win the game on the Nuggets’ final possession, but like much of his second half he just couldn’t muster any magic. Melo’s drive to the hoop was thwarted by Andris Biedrins as he had to hold the shot longer than he wanted and was barely able to even hit the bottom of the rim. A very forgettable game for Denver’s star player as Melo finished the contest going 0-5 from the floor and just 7-22 for the night.
The Nuggets were very fortunate to even get to overtime as the refs (who were very poor most of the evening for both sides) failed to blow their whistle for Anthony Tolliver’s last second heave as Melo basically racked him across the arms.
Once in overtime, it was the Chauncey Billups show for the Nuggets. The veteran point guard hit two big three-pointers, drove to the hoop and converted a difficult layup and sank to "cooler" free throws to ice the game for Denver.
Billups was calm and cool in his post game interview and seemed to take his extraordinary moment in stride … probably a good thing since Denver was barely able to defeat a 12 win team missing about 63 of their regular players. Billups filled up the stat sheet by tying his career-high in scoring with 37 points and adding 8 rebounds and 8 assists (a near triple-double for the veteran).
Additional nuggets:
--The Nuggets recorded 18 total team assists. Passing the ball continues to be a major concern for Denver on the road. The Nuggets notched 8 assists in the first half, 0 in the second quarter and 10 in the second half. How does an NBA team not record an assist in a quarter?
--J.R. Smith finished 2-6 from three-point land, but his second make was basically a nail in the coffin tonight in overtime. Smith finished the game 6-15 from the field in 34 minutes with 14 points, 6 rebounds and 2 assists and 1 turnover. I liked Smith’s game tonight. He got completely robbed by ref Marc Davis on an And1 play (8:23 of the 4th qtr) in which Davis overruled two officials that were underneath the hoop because he had a great angle from behind the play at halfcourt. Hastings relayed that Davis called J.R. for lifting his knee into Chris Hunter and had Davis been able to actually see the play he would have been embarrassed by the call. The call swung momentum away from Denver, but actually may have given the Nuggets the chip on the shoulder they needed to get some fire going down the stretch. (You can nitpick calls all day, but that one was just horrific.)
--To keep nitpicking calls. Ellis was whistled for fouling Ty Lawson at the end of the third quarter at midcourt. The foul gave Lawson three free throws and allowed Denver to close the gap to 82-81 entering the final period. Ellis blatantly racked Lawson’s arms, much to his and the crowd’s displeasure. But if the refs were going to call that one then they should have called Melo for racking Tolliver’s arms at the end of the game. The two plays were pretty identical and Tolliver was robbed.
--The Nuggets defensive rotation is just bad. I think square wheels rotated better than the Nuggets … why do you think they invented the round wheel? Someone please teach this team how to rotate. Watching Golden State finish at the rim with no defender in sight is just frustrating and you can see the frustration with the players too. While we’re at it, let’s teach this team how to defend a pick-and-roll. Ellis and Curry were able to hit some big three-pointers late because coming off screens they faced … nobody.
--Kenyon Martin stepped up on the glass tonight. Martin recorded another double-double with 11 points and 14 rebounds. When Martin checked back into the game late in the fourth quarter and then into overtime he pulled down some key rebounds and showed once again that his athleticism and desire can be the difference for the Nuggets. His 1-4 performance from the foul line leaves much to be desired though.
--Carmelo Anthony played a bad game. I’m going to chalk Melo’s odd performance up to him just having an off night. Melo scored 23 points and went 9-11 from the foul line, but something just stunk about his evening. Melo tried to go one-on-one time and again in the second half and he was having disastrous results. The one time I recall Melo passing the ball off once he got it, Smith buried a three-pointer. I wish when Melo feels his game isn’t flowing that he’d realize just a bit more that his other skills can win games for the team. Melo is a gifted passer and can really throw teams off when he is dishing the ball. Melo had some pretty assists (4 total), but I just wanted to see more of them as the Warriors were loving him taking jumpers. Melo also led the team with 5 turnovers and was fortunate to not have a foul called on him on the last play of regulation. Funny to call 23 points an "off night" … that’s how good Melo is.
--Where was Ty Lawson tonight? Lawson wasn’t able to be a difference maker in the first half, but when he checked into the game in the third quarter he started working a little magic and helped erase a Golden State lead. Lawson only logged 17 minutes and shot just 1-5 from the field scoring 5 points and notching 2 rebounds. Hopefully Lawson will be able to get things going tomorrow night, as he should have fresher legs than Billups (38 minutes).
--Free throws. Denver once again had trouble on the road converting freebie attempts. The Nuggets shot just 69.8% and missed 13 of 43 attempts. We saw the Nuggets drop games last season because of missed free throws and it almost did them in again tonight.
The Nuggets are now 3-0 against the Warriors and they could easily be 1-2 against them. I’m pretty happy that Golden State will probably be a lottery team because I would not want to see this free wheeling team in the post season.

Reader ParkHillNative sent along this picture from his seats at the game last night. Pretty dark in Oracle Arena ...
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I was profoundly disappointed in the Nuggets last night
ZERO defensive intensity, another lackadaisical sleepwalk through a game that they should have knuckled down on, and a win brought to you by some VERY lucky calls and non calls in both directions.
Fortunately Chauncey is the man. Still not happy about this though. I think, honestly, Golden State is just a matchup nightmare for the Nuggets. Lawson was completely ineffective because the quick guards of Golden State neutralized any ability he had to play the passing lanes or get penetration for easy looks. Maggette is playing like a great SF.
Swats.
Agree with the match up problems
I can’t figure it out we should (on paper) steam roll these guys every time we play em, but we keep getting suckered into a shoot out. I give coach Nelson loads of credit for keeping his undermanned team motivated for each game, as the Warriors are rarely “blown out”. They lose a lot, but are not blown out and their hustle is what these Nuggets need to imitate.
by Joelsopinion on Jan 21, 2010 10:17 AM MST up reply actions
I thought Bird was awful last night
The Warriors got a lot fewer offensive rebounds as soon as K-Mart came back in the game in the 4th quarter. Bird was also very slow to rotate.
If he’s hurt, sit him for a week or so. Malik is better than Bird is now.
He must be hurt
There were a bunch of times where he didn’t even come down to the other end of the court with the offense, just sat back wincing under the basket. And a number of those plays where the W’s had wide open lanes to the basket for easy dunks was because he was just standing still.
by ParkHillNative on Jan 21, 2010 11:24 AM MST up reply actions
Maybe it's because...
he didn’t have the snazziest hair on the court. Could Marlowe man-crush on Biedrins any more? Sheesh. Even Hastings sounded creeped out.
by MattressKing on Jan 21, 2010 11:56 AM MST up reply actions
Esp when he fouled out
“Biendrins and his beautiful hair will have to sit out for the remainder of the game.” What a weird ass quote.
by Joelsopinion on Jan 21, 2010 12:39 PM MST up reply actions
Mancrush and Marlowe
The awkward back-and-forth between Hastings and Marlowe drives me crazy sometimes.
Marlowe is a good play-by-play man. And Hastings is probably my favorite commentator in all of sports. The trouble is always those moments when nothing is going on and Marlowe starts flapping his lips about nothing.
Win is a win
Most of the game was hard to watch due to poor officiating and poor play but it was nice to come out with a win.
Ellis reminds me of JR X2. He has a better mid-range game and is a bit quicker.
I'm not disappointed in this win except for one thing
Free throw shooting. Terrible, even by Chauncey (because of the standards he has w/ career %).
The rest of the game? I really only caught the second half in it’s entirety so that’s what thsi is based on. Nene was hustling but flat out sucked. Lawson was quiet but when he logged the minutes I saw, he made Monta Ellis look like a snail. Fastest guy in the NBA I might venture to guess.
This game was what I’d call an OG win. Chauncey and K-Mart basically said “nah, we ain’t losin this one” and took the entire team on their backs. As soon as K-Mart came in toward the end, the game turned back into our favor because our defense and rebounds picked up. You could see his intensity and prowess being roughly 3X what Nene was doing while he was on the bench.
Chauncey was the obvious star though. Simply put, he took over offensively. The droves of points he scored in the 4th and overtime were sheer will, that we really needed or this W wasn’t gonna happen. So it was our OG’s that really took this team on it’s shoulders for this W. I really like having both Chauncey and K-Mart on this team, and I think when it gets serious (the playoffs), the lackidasical crap vs. bad teams is going to go away because these two won’t accept mediocrity when the time comes.
CB’s offensive efforts, K-Marts defensive (and key putback toward the end of regulation) were everything for us. Melo? Didn’t really play much of a factor. A quiet night and some bad offensive decision making.
The one thing that WAS A FACTOR was the way the refs were screwing us. I think Andy is going to change his phone # because of the number of times I texted him last night basically saying “WTF was that????” regarding some of the ridiculous calls that went G-States way. The refs were TOTALLY favoring G-State because of the fact that they were undermanned and at home. That one ref (Davis) might need to be investigated for fixing games.
I thought given all the obstacles (refs, Monta Ellis, G-State is a VERY tough place to win), regardless of our gaffes at the FT line and some defensive issues, that was about as exciting a game as I’ve seen all season and a great win in my book. Great game to watch, but if we lost, I would probably write this entirely different. Hah!
by stiffy on Jan 21, 2010 9:28 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Love the comments on the refs and the fact that was one of the best games of the year to watch
Refs were terribly biased in GS’s favor. It reminded me of the game versus Dallas earlier this year. Seemed to me that the Nugs beat the refs and Golden State last night. Granted, the refs missed a call on Toliver’s last second 3 pointer but I bet the Nugs would have protested this game to the NBA had it been called. That Davis guy should be investigated by the FBI no doubt as we obviously can’t rely on the NBA to do it.
The reason Melo looked so terrible last night was the officiating. Just terrible no call after terrible no call. Thank god for the co-MVP’s last night though…
On a side note, Nene was a beast in the first half. Kind of went away in the second but the bigs kept the Nugs in it and Chauncey, Kmart, and JR finished em off. I love the pick and roll between Melo and Billups when Billups ends up taking the shot or driving to the bucket.
I was getting frustrated watching Melo settle for jumpers and sort of stop any ball movement when he received the rock in the post (on the elbow). Melo is so much more effective when he’s making quick decisions and when he can receive the ball at the top of the key … taking the ball at the elbow really limits what the can do.
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by Nate Timmons on Jan 21, 2010 10:06 AM MST up reply actions
Agreed 100%
But the officiating is what had him so off his game. Usually when Melo is playing offensive ball stopper he puts up 30 or so. There were probably 7 or 8 no calls on drives when he was fouled.
I am enjoying how Hastings is getting after Melo and the team about passing the ball. Nugs nation is lucky to have a dude that isn’t afraid to speak his mind like Hastings calling games.
by Gasus on Jan 21, 2010 10:38 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Re. Melo
It looked to me like the W’s were doing a good job of keeping him from getting the ball in a good spot. Particularly when Devan George was guarding him, Melo would be trying to establish good position, and George was doing well at forcing him out further from the basket. And they double-teamed a lot, too. And yeah, Melo was definitely not getting superstar treatment from the refs when he took it inside.
by ParkHillNative on Jan 21, 2010 10:51 AM MST up reply actions
Nice point on Dubs defensive strategy.
Melo was getting the ball a lot out near the three-point line … aka not good.
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by Nate Timmons on Jan 21, 2010 10:54 AM MST up reply actions
That'll be the key tonight ...
Hopefully Lawson can carry the team if Billups is looking tired. Law only played 17 min. last night and may have tweaked his ankle a bit.
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by Nate Timmons on Jan 21, 2010 10:04 AM MST up reply actions
No way Nate!
Melo did not foul tolliver on that last shot. There was contact before the pass, but once he had the ball Melo turned away from him to avoid the contact that Tolliver was trying to initiate. Compare that to Monta Ellis in the last game jumping at JR, and last night when he HELD Ty’s arm in an effort to strip the ball. I know you want to limit the trolls today, but I am not willing to feed into their bum argument. Watch the replay. Melo turn his body to avoid contact caused by Tolliver jumping into him. it was a good no call. Unlike when nene grabbed Steph Curry before the inbounds pass. If the refs would have called that (like they should have, sorry Nene) we may not be as happy as we are over a much needed road win.
Side note What is the name of the light skinned ref that was being such a dick last night? I swear every time we come up against him he hurts us. I think Melo or K-Mart dunked his head in the toilet back in high school or something cuz it seems like he’s out for revenge. “SWIRLY TIME BITCH!”
I agree on the call you are talking about
But I remember a corner 3 late in the 4th (maybe it wasn’t Toliver) that melo flew out at the dude and seemed to foul him. I thought that was the play but now that you say it, I think Nate was talking about the half court job. Damn, no way was that a foul on Melo… He just stood there and even bent backwards to avoid attempted contact by Toliver.
That was Tolliver on that corner three.
Denver was fortunate not to get called there. The way the refs were blowing the whistle last night I think any light contact Denver created was going to get a whistle.
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by Nate Timmons on Jan 21, 2010 10:57 AM MST up reply actions
That Marc Davis guy
Has reffed 3 of the Nugs losses so far this season. What do you want to bet they were all 3 against teams that the Nugs were favored to beat? Dude is raking in the cash on the side I bet.
Agreed
The NBA really needs to examine these guys and make public their findings. games like this are exhibit A in Andrew case to make the refs stats reviewable.
by Joelsopinion on Jan 21, 2010 11:05 AM MST up reply actions
I'll have to watch that replay again.
My friend and I both agreed at the time (after watching it a couple times in slow-motion on DVR) that it looked like Melo had his arms in with Tolliver’s. Again … when those plays happen it’s probably best to let a D-League call up try to make a half court shot and not give the refs any reason to see contact.
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by Nate Timmons on Jan 21, 2010 10:58 AM MST up reply actions
Good point
I thought Melo was playing very tight D before the shot. Probably not needed against a D-League temp. Still you’d hate to lose the game due to a guy no one has ever heard of draining a half court miracle. How many times have seen that against the Nuggets? Too many I think.
by Joelsopinion on Jan 21, 2010 11:03 AM MST up reply actions
Ya, it seems like anytime a long shot goes up it either goes in or nearly goes in against the Nuggets.
When the other team has the ball with just seconds left in any quarter … I’m terrified.
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by Nate Timmons on Jan 21, 2010 12:49 PM MST up reply actions
He did foul him
If the foul on Lawson was a foul, then so was Melo’s on Tolliver. Although Tolliver sucks at the line, but the game would have played out very differently
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Yeah, sorry again that my iPhone doesn’t take better pics. No zoom, no focus, no flash. It wasn’t actually that dark.
The Warriors have quite a lot of devoted, emotional fans for being such a sucky team. I think my ears are a little damaged from the huge roars that erupted after some of Ellis’s big shots.
by ParkHillNative on Jan 21, 2010 10:53 AM MST reply actions
Picture isn't too bad for a phone...
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by Nate Timmons on Jan 21, 2010 10:59 AM MST up reply actions
I thought it was crazy
The Warriors crowd seemed way more into it than a Nugs regular season crowd. They were all over the referees and it obviously worked to their advantage. I kept texting to my friend about how rowdy they seemed. Wish we could get some of that heart (and ref hate) at the Pepsi Center during the season.
You were there too? Or did it just come across on TV?
Yeah, it was nuts. I know the W’s and their fans are all still pissed about the game before, but man. If they could put a good team on the floor, I can’t imagine what that place would be like. 11 years I’ve been living in the East Bay, that was the first W’s game I’ve managed to get myself to. I had no idea.
I’m glad I have a conflict on the Feb. 25th Nugs @ W’s game. It’ll be the W’s last chance for revenge and I guess it’s gonna be crazy in there.
by ParkHillNative on Jan 21, 2010 12:35 PM MST up reply actions
Came across on TV
Just insane how loud they were and how involved they were with the foul calls. They definitely turned the refs in their favor big time. If you boo a foul call at Pepsi Center with a full house, you’ll be lucky to have 50 supporters most of the time.
Yup
I wish Denver would get like that. That place was bonkers! I could feel the energy in my room!
When are we all going to go to a game together? We could help wake up the Can (and probably get tossed in the process).
by MattressKing on Jan 21, 2010 1:41 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah Right
LOL. Is it ever THAT easy around here?
by MattressKing on Jan 21, 2010 1:30 PM MST up reply actions
And the Clippers are actually a good deal better than the Warriors!
Control Kaman, and let Baron and Camby shoot long 2’s, and we’re fine.
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Rotations
Agree on the rotations on defense and the defense on pick and rolls. “Someone” should teach them? The “Someone” is George Karl, and not teaching defense, along with not teaching offense, not calling timeouts, and the occasional weird rotations are all reasons not to extend his contract.
As for Melo’s off night, I think he tweaked a knee or ankle early in the game. The announcers mentioned him wincing after a missed layup and he landed funny.
Last night was a weird night for rotations. First Malik Allen gets first half minutes, then G.K. re-inserts Afflalo after he came out for Smith. Unusual to say the least, though not necessarily unwelcome.
This is all i'm gonna say
Has anyone considered that these guys are professional basketball players that have been playing this game for most of their lives and that perhaps they have ALREADY been taught how to defend the pick and roll? And perhaps it is lazy execution? Switching on D is something they know how to do and they’re just not “efforting” enough?
I’m getting tired of Karl being blamed for how lazy/not lazy these guys are on the court, during a game. “he needs to prepare them and get them ready blah blah blah”. I get it. Karl should work on his coaching in a major way as far as his involvement from the sideline during a game. But beyond yelling “Switch!” isn’t it up to these guys to WANT to switch. It’s lazy on the part of the players. Period. NOT because they don’t know how! Playing team D is doing just that: playing as a team. Its not glamorous, and we all know this team likes the glamour more than doing the dirty work at times.
Maybe everyone would be happier if Karl started calling his players out in the media. But I have hope that they address the troubles on D in practice….
by SternfluffsKobe on Jan 21, 2010 11:36 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
+1
I actually think GK is having his best season as a coach for the Nugs. Seems to me that he has been more involved this season than ever. Hopefully it continues because the Nugs will only benefit from it.
Totally one of his BEST seasons!
I thought I was crazy cause everyone else throws all the blame on Karl when we lose and gets zero cred when we win!
by SternfluffsKobe on Jan 21, 2010 12:40 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Could you imagine McDaniels as a Nugget coach?
What if they brought in some rookie coach and he traded Melo for Baron Davis and a carton of ciggaretes?
He wouldn't even hold out for menthols
it’s be a box of jailhouse smokes. McHoody killed the Broncos. Brining in an untested rookie coach would kill the Nuggets. Does anyone really think that CB, K-Mart, Melo etc would respect a 30 something coach like Spolestra? I don’t think so.
by Joelsopinion on Jan 21, 2010 1:11 PM MST up reply actions
Even with just a few mentions of McDaniels I threw up …
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by Nate Timmons on Jan 21, 2010 1:38 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, zero credit
I like the use of “efforting”.
The reason the effort, on both ends of the court is inconsistent, is because the players don’t know what is expected of them. On offense, there isn’t a consistent philosophy and a set of plays. Watch a team with a real offense and you’ll see guys who know what they are supposed to do. I set a screen, I run off a screen, I move to the corner for a three, etc. Each player has a job, knows what to do, does it, and takes the shot when the ball comes to him in the location where the coach has told him to shoot. The Nuggets just run up court and play streetball for 24 seconds. No one is sure what they are supposed to do, so sometimes there is movement and they make great plays and other times everyone stands around. Plays aren’t designed to get players the shot they are good at, so players take whatever they can get. It’s a poor plan, and it’s on the coach. It’s the same type of thing on the defensive end. Have you ever had a job where your boss would give you a goal but not the tools you needed or a plan to get there? It’s very frustrating and makes everyone less productive.
How often do you hear Hastings, during a game say: “Player x has the ball. He always goes right. You have to force him left on defense.” Right after he says that, they player goes right, around his defender, and scores. It’s bad coaching when the announcer has a better scouting report than the players.
Please tell me something that Karl does well that another coach wouldn’t do? When Playing the Spurs, Lakers, Jazz, Houston, Orlando which team has an advantage at he coaching position? Don’t think coaching matters? How many championships did L.A. with Shaq and Kobe win prior to Jackson getting there?
by KarlSucks on Jan 21, 2010 1:04 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
I rec'd this
Because the Nuggets offense as I saw it last night is described very well there.
by ParkHillNative on Jan 21, 2010 1:12 PM MST up reply actions
Hastings For Coach!
The players would love him. I mean, he does buy them dinner on the plane when they play well, right?
by MattressKing on Jan 21, 2010 1:31 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
As long as they score 100 points
and he can find a taco bell…
by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 21, 2010 2:44 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL at dinner on the plane
What a dumb line. I like Hastings overall though. He’s funny when he calls out dumbasses in the crowd. Like the Grizzly Adams guy last night talkin shit behind the bench. The fringe lunacy on thinking every single play was a foul against the other team though needs to get scaled back a bit.
Nobody Beats The Griz!
Yeah, we laughed pretty hard at that line. That guy looked crazy. Did you notice that nobody was sitting in the seat next to him?
by MattressKing on Jan 21, 2010 4:28 PM MST up reply actions
If the Nugs could get Jackson, Popovich, Addelman, Sloan, or the fat Van Gundy
Then I would have no problem with them letting Karl walk. But who are the real prospects to replace him? I haven’t heard of one veteran coach that could handle this team as a suggestion….
Don’t bring in some young coach whether he is a first timer or had a couple stints in the league because it won’t work.
by Gasus on Jan 21, 2010 1:31 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
coaches
Stan Van gundy would teach defense. So would Avery Johnson. Perhaps two time coach of the year Byron Scott.
Honestly, almost any established coach that the players would respect (as you point out) would be an improvement.
Karl probably gives us an advantage over the guy in Cleveland, Mike Dunleavy, and Isiah Thomas. I don’t include Kiki because he’s not really a coach, and Bickerstaff is long gone. After that, I’d take almost any of the current coaches over Karl. Cleveland is a prime example of another team that suceeds in spite of it’s coach, not because of it.
Avery Johnson and Byron Scott are jokes
No chance those newbies could handle this group. None whatsoever.
You make excellent points Karlsucks
I agree with about 90% of what you said. And very well put. Is George Karl the greatest coach of all time? No way. Are there coaches out there that are better? Absolutely. But now let me ask: is there a better coach for these players and this team personality? I know you’ll say, Phil Jackson, Gregg popovich, etc but I gotta be honest: no one can teach a student if the student doesn’t wanna learn.
Rule this team with an iron fist and they’ll rebel.
Be an “Avery Johnson” type and they’ll laugh at you
be the zen master Phil Jackson type and they’ll think you’re treating them like kids…
I’m just saying, the thing that we forget that this team has in GK is something that can’t be tracked by stats or an offensive/defensive “philosophy”…he’s a flawed human being just like his players and he wears it on his sleeve and that is the kind of guy THIS group needs. It’s just my opinion and as you mightve noticed from my other posts/comments I believe this game to be a game that reflects life and one that is so “free form” in it’s execution, in between the lines, in the moment, momentum driven that chemistry (between coaches, players, fans etc) is the MOST important element.
I think you put in a new, better coach as far as x’s and o’s goes would throw this teams chemistry. And you can argue that thus teams chemistry at the moment isn’t very good because we struggle on the road and against sub .500 teams…but I would argue that our team chemistry has NEVER been better. 27-14.
by SternfluffsKobe on Jan 21, 2010 2:42 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Satisfied?
27-14. Are you satisfied that this is the record? In years past, perhaps yes. This year, I don’t think there is any doubt that this record is a disappointment. This team could easily have 5 to 7 more wins with this set of players.
Most of the 17 loses
Are to sub .500 non playoff teams. I honestly don’t think Karl changes game plans because we’re playing a crappy team. This means that the players aren’t taking serious their opponents. You can blame him all you want but that won’t make the guys shoot better, or rebound more, or execute the offense, or cause stops on the defense. This team is capable of so much more and it is frustrating, but GK can’t make shots fall for the guys, and he can’t make them stay in front of a defender. This is shit they know.
by Joelsopinion on Jan 21, 2010 3:32 PM MST up reply actions
Look at the Broncos man
The team has been set back at least 5 years by bringing in some hot headed shit head to coach the team. None of the stars like playing for him and now all of his assistant coaches are abandoning him. You want this to happen to our Nugs? The only way they can replace him is with another big time, proven, veteran coach that has been in the biz 15 plus years.
Put them in position
No Karl can’t take shots for someone, but he can put them in position to take the shots he can make. Watch Utah sometime. Those players spot up for the same shot over and over. Sloan figures out what shot a guy can make reliably and builds plays to get those shots.
Nugs dominate Utah though
GK is a 2nd tier coach and 1st tier are very hard to find. I don’t think there are any out there as free agents right now…
Canning the coach is a big damn deal
And I am not a fan of blowing up elite teams or teams that are on the verge of being elite.
100% right
Chemistry between players and coaches is the MOST important thing! Mcdaniels ego fucked the broncos in the end. No pun intended.
by SternfluffsKobe on Jan 21, 2010 3:50 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Satisfied? No way!
But I’m saying you can’t base the future of this team based on the past. And by the past I mean last night. It was a win. Period. No excuses.
That’s what I mean. This game in every facet is about RIGHT NOW. and right now? We’re 27-14…one game better than where we were last season at this point.
I get it. You’re frustrated. I get frustrated with these guys too. But let me ask you this: if you had to choose between getting a brand new coach right now or a big man what would you say is more valuable?
by SternfluffsKobe on Jan 21, 2010 3:45 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I don't want a new coach right now.
But I’m not a fan of extending his contract, which is what I referred to in the first post. Right now is too late – they’d lose a bunch of games making the transition. Much rather have a big man.
I think next season is their best chance to win with the current players. They have all of their rotation players under contract, so they’ll have the full midlevel available to use on hopefully a big man. It’s the last year for K-mart, and Billups will likely be declining after next year if not before.
Fair enough.
But for now, save yourself the grey hairs by blaming the ONLY guy who can’t lace em up and throw an elbow at Kobe….
by SternfluffsKobe on Jan 21, 2010 4:37 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Nugs have a great shot this year if Bird heals up and the rest stay healthy
I’ll put this year’s Nugs up against anyone. My wager is that the Nugs keep running off games here and catch the Lakers in the standings by the 15th of February…
Might consider that a good pick and roll is basically unstoppable . .
I watched Dallas just destroy the Celts with Terry / Dirk pick and roll . .and Utah did the same thing on multiple occassions to the Spurs. It is not like those are bad defensive teams. If you execute the pick and roll well and Curry does run it pretty well, you should get a good 15 footer or a solid roll to the hoop.
I think the Nugs play it much better than most teams . . their failing tends to be not fighting over picks (yes, you Melo and JR and Billups) or the big men not hegding out far enough (Nene, Martin, Birdman, although Nene get called for fouls even when he does it right unlike KG). Rotations tend to be pretty good from the weakside with only occassionallly missed communications.
Good point
Karl calls them out and he’s an asshole who alienates his players.
by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 21, 2010 11:57 AM MST reply actions
big melo fan here
but i really didnt like his game too much last night
he was forcing everything, there were times when Chauncey or JR were wide open for 3, and melo just barreled his way into the lane and missed. (even if JR is a loose cannon, a wide open JR for three is a much better shot than a Melo-on-3 situation)
I wasn’t on the court, so I don’t know if Melo really was getting hacked, but the one aspect of Melo’s game that I really hate is when he thinks he should have gotten a call, he just stays down at the other end and slowly walks back, frustrated. Regardless of whether it should have been a call or not, he should be running back on D. How many times this year have the nuggets had to play 4 on 5 D cuz Melo was mad about a call. He should learn from Kobe, who when he gets mad about a call, he takes it out by absolutely shutting down his guy on D
I feel you somewhat.
I hate when Melo does that. But Kobe is one of the worst offenders when it comes to that. Him, LBJ, Duncan, even Dwight Howard does it. I dont recall Dwade doing it much. Melo should be better than that tho.
by GottaLoveMelo on Jan 21, 2010 3:19 PM MST up reply actions
kobe does throw his arms up and whine like a b***** when he doesn't like the call
but then he sprints back, and plays lockdown defense, and when he gets frustrated he plays better. Melo is the opposite. When things start annoying Melo, his temper gets shorter and shorter
True about Melo.
Guess I need to watch Kobe more.
by GottaLoveMelo on Jan 22, 2010 7:04 AM MST up reply actions
This was a hard game to watch.
Melo played pretty badly. It was one of those games where we NEEDED Chauncey to come through….and thankfully he did. I just wish on these “off” nights that Melo would find the open man…or rather, I wish the four other guys would rotate to the basket so Melo can pass to them.
The officiating stunk to high heaven. That charging call on JR was one of the worst I’ve ever seen. I will agree that Melo DID seem to foul Toliver at the end, but I think the angle made it hard to see anything accurately,
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They rotated many times or were wide open for threes
I do think he got fucked by the refs though and I don’t place as much blame on him because the Nugs did enough to win the game and his selfishness didn’t cost them the game. A win is a win even though he didn’t have a good game. I think he only shot 17 times? When he does that the Nugs win almost every game…
I saw that they were open for threes
I just wish they would rotate to the basket more. Particularly when the other team is playing zone.
Im not gonna make excuses for Melo. He was bad last night. Some of those shots he took were terrible. Although he did only shoot 17 times.
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winning ugly the hard way
looking at the quarter by quarter scoring is a good way to analyze the game. the general rule i use is anything the opponent scores 25 points or less denver is playing good defense. anything denver scores above 25 points they are executing on offense. the first quarter denver out scored gsw 30 to 25. nene has 10 points. 2nd quarter nene had 2 points and denver was out scored 28 to 23. 3rd and 4th quarters both teams combined for 52 points each. this was a game where denver should have posted up gs at every opportunity. corey maggette must have studied film of melo very close because he had a very melo like game. with about 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter denver played melo, kmart, billups, nene and smith for the rest of the game. this is what the nuggets starting line up should be. at the end of a 48 minute regulation game this line up scored 18 points in a 5 minute overtime. kinda makes you wonder what that line up could do at the beginning of the game. looking at the first half stats both teams were almost identical in every catagory. denver does not have to try and beat the other team at their own game.
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Be careful
You and Beefy are gonna drive yourselves crazy trying to “mathematically”/“statistically” figure this team out.
Of ANY team I’ve EVER seen, this teams success is decided by emotion. Period.
by SternfluffsKobe on Jan 21, 2010 5:30 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
One more point
Where are all of the JR haters at today? I thought so. He plays big in the 4th and OT and no one wants hims gone all of a sudden. Damn people back the team up!
+1
That shit makes me sick. I’ve been telling everyone they are going to be eating their words soon, as in the second half of this season soon.
I was rooting for him!
When he made that 3 towards the end I was literally praying for him. I want the guy to get back on his game soooo badly. He’s one of the big reasons that got me back into NBA ball after a long hiatus. Remember when he was dubbed the “One Man Comeback?”
I think he’s working on other aspects of his game, and he seems to be improving to me. I’ve never seen him pass, rebound, drive or block like I have this season. Once he can combine this with his regular game, and drop the crazy boneheaded plays, he’ll be that much more dangerous.
The coaches have to help the guy develop. I just hope that Karl, and the fans, have the faith in him. It’s not like he’s been lazy. Maybe he’s trying to do too much to please?
by MattressKing on Jan 21, 2010 1:38 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Probably
Dude has been asked to become more well rounded. They are probably trying to make him into a real star by developing other parts of his game. GK will take the leash off soon though as the Nugs are ready to make their push.
I was rooting for him as I always do but
He still plays like a bonehead. Far too often he’ll be on the wing (saw it last night at least once), drive the baseline and not be able to get around the defender and then be stuck there because they cleared it out for him, then he’ll spin, look for a half second and see nobody to pass to and then he’ll just hoist a bad off balance and contested J instead of calling for help.
Like the kid, want him to grow into a star for us, but he still sometimes has that And1 baller mentality and it’s maddening. He just has this “I can do anything” mentality that is very ME FIRST and not conducive to the ebb and flow we need as a team to be successful. It’s maddening because he actually CAN DO ANYTHING from time to time and that’s what we all love.
Retro Jerseys
Why the hell don’t the Nuggets ever wear their retro jerseys? It’s always so cool to see other teams do it, and makes for a different fan experience.
The W's seemed pretty big on their "Retro Wednesdays" thing last night
Not just the uniforms — the scoreboard kept saying “Denver 105, San Francisco 105,” the whole night.
by ParkHillNative on Jan 21, 2010 2:01 PM MST up reply actions
Denver 105, San Francisco 105 All Night?!?
Well no wonder it went into OT!
by MattressKing on Jan 21, 2010 4:32 PM MST up reply actions
lol
Well I mean it kept referring to the Warriors as “San Francisco…” ah you know what I meant.
Good one!
by ParkHillNative on Jan 22, 2010 12:48 AM MST up reply actions
From what I've been told ...
The Nuggets do not get to decide on wearing Retros anymore. The NBA now makes the calls as part of Hardwood Classics.
I read about it on ESPN.com Page 2’s Uni Watch before the season as well.
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by Nate Timmons on Jan 21, 2010 2:35 PM MST up reply actions
Really?
Thats crazy cuz Cleveland has like 1546234 throwbacks that they wear.
by GottaLoveMelo on Jan 21, 2010 3:26 PM MST up reply actions
For Real
I don’t even know what their regular unis look like anymore. I do think that the yellow ones that they wore last year (haven’t seen them this season yet) looked pretty sweet.
by MattressKing on Jan 21, 2010 4:30 PM MST up reply actions
One of Cleveland's throwbacks looks suspiciously similar to a Knicks jersey
I don’t care if LeBron goes to the knicks. They sitll have Eddy “1180 Pounds and Growing!” Curry and Jeffries on their team for next year.
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Thise are the W's rhrow back unis. They have
1 home uni and 2 road unis other than the retro yellow. They are throwing them all away this off season and will be wearing an entirely new uni and colors next year. Rumor has it the uni will look more like the Run TMC units with the Cable Car or The City theme. Sweet!
by Eschew Obfuscation on Jan 21, 2010 6:26 PM MST up reply actions
no wonder the refs have it in for you guys
the uniforms suck so bad the refs make crappy calls to match the crappy uniforms. you need to change the name. remember once upon a time the franchise was the philly warriors then the san francisco warriors. start over and pick a city. what is it with this golden state stuff. you guys have been in a constant state of drought FOR A QUARTER CENTURY. maybe you should move the franchise to a new city like……..los angles. then you might as well change the nickname. warriors does not fit the bill. hey i know L A WHINERS ! this is my personal favorite OAKLAND WORRIERS. try and keep it simple.
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On the officiating
Terrible on both ends.
Fun game from a fan standpoint. Terrible game as someone who expects better from his favorite team.
In Melo’s defense, he was taking it the hole and not getting calls. All that abuse, I can’t blame him for settling for jumpers. Still, I agree that he should stop being such a ballstopper.
And I think coach Karl is great. I have some quibbles with his rotations, but he understands that coaching in the NBA is more about getting the right players on the court and letting them do their thing. It is all about finding the right chemistry.
Beat the refs and GS last night?
Do you guys even watch the game. The Nugs got to the line twice as many times as the W’s. They were once again handed a game by getting 3 free throws at the end of the 3rd quarter, and then when the W’s get fouled at the end of regulation nothing is called. You guys are freakin pathetic. The fact is the Nugs were out played the last 2 games agianst the W’s and the Warriors were ripped off by the refs. That is fact jack!
by Eschew Obfuscation on Jan 21, 2010 6:23 PM MST reply actions
Who out there considers free throws exciting?
Noone right? Speaks volumes about watching a team that leads the league in free throw attempts and tries to slwo the game down. One word comes to mind BORING! The nugs are BORING as hell to watch!
by Eschew Obfuscation on Jan 21, 2010 6:32 PM MST reply actions
shaq o'neal
every free throw for him is a new adventure. it is like flipping a coin. he never shoots the ball the same way twice. i like the old school basketball. too bad the players today can only dunk and shoot 3 pointers. denver puts the fun into the word fundamentals. denver has urkel smith to put mental into the word fundamental. denver has a well rounded of a team.
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