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Assessing the HOF chances of current and former Nuggets...

Melo_chauncey_mediumAs we recover from Michael Jordan's awkward Hall of Fame induction speech and begin to tally the votes for the second annual Denver Stiffs Hall of Fame, I thought we'd look into the HOF chances of current and former Nuggets still active in the NBA.

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Before getting started, we have to clear up one of the biggest misunderstandings about The Naismith Memorial Hall of Fame.  It's a basketball Hall of Fame, not a pro basketball Hall of Fame.  Therefore, a player's collective career spanning college, the NBA and international play are all taken into consideration for Hall of Fame induction.  The geniuses (and I mean that sincerely, I love their site) at Basketball-Reference.com already have a Hall of Fame probability index, so we'll go in order using their forecasts.

Ai_mediumALLEN IVERSON (Basketball-Reference HOF Probability: 100%)

The Case For: In spite of a number of off-the-court incidents, Iverson's entry into Springfield is a no-brainer.  Among active players, Iverson is second in total points scored, fifth in assists and second in steals.  Throw in an MVP Award, 10 All-Star Game appearances, two All-Star Game MVP Awards, four scoring titles and the fact that he's only 5'11" makes Iverson one of the great stories in basketball history.  Iverson was also an exceptional college player at Georgetown and won a Bronze Medal at the 2004 Olympics.

The Case Against: Many traditionalists will argue that Iverson represented/represents all that is wrong with the modern NBA.  A me-first, "hip hop" diva that's disrespectful to those who came before him.  His refusal to come off the bench with the Pistons last season while the Nuggets thrived without him certainly didn't help to negate this reputation.  

The Verdict: While some of the negatives thrown at Iverson are undoubtedly true, his numbers and impact on the game are too overwhelming.  To quote former CIA Director George Tenet, getting A.I. into the Hall of Fame in his first year of eligibility is "a slam dunk."

Melo_mediumCARMELO ANTHONY (Basketball-Reference HOF Probability: 27%)

The Case For: In just a short time, Melo has compiled a remarkable basketball career that includes an NCAA Championship, a Bronze Medal from the 2004 Olympics, a Silver Medal from the 2006 World Championships and, of course, a Gold Medal from the 2008 Olympics.  It should also be noted that in his six seasons in Denver, the Nuggets have appeared in the postseason every time, culminating with last season's Western Conference Finals run and back-to-back 50 win seasons.

The Case Against: Other than those six straight postseason appearances and two All-Star Games, Melo's done nothing notable winning-wise at the NBA level.  Melo has also been embroiled in some unfortunate incidents, including a brawl at Madison Square Garden in 2006 and a series of off-court incidents that we're all hoping he's put behind him.  But he's only 24 and his best years could be ahead of him if he's willing to improve his game and non-basketball life. 

The Verdict: If Melo stays on the trajectory that he's on and doesn't go the way of Glenn Robinson or Antoine Walker - other talented, shoot-first small forwards who spent their latter years chucking jumpers rather than driving to the basket - a Hall of Fame entrance should be a shoo-in.  But until he racks up a few more playoff series victories, he's not a first ballot Hall of Famer.

Chauncey2_mediumCHAUNCEY BILLUPS (Basketball-Reference HOF Probability: 25%)

The Case For: A late bloomer by NBA standards, Billups has appeared in a stunning seven consecutive conference finals and the last four NBA All-Star Games.  While in Detroit, Billups led the Pistons to the 2004 NBA Championship and was named NBA Finals MVP.  And in his return to Denver, Billups led the Nuggets to their best season in NBA franchise history.  On both ends of the floor, Billups does a little bit of everything well.  But most importantly, Billups is a winner and the Hall of Fame historically looks kindly upon players who rack up lots of postseason wins.

The Case Against: Too little, too late?  While Billups has been playing like a Hall of Famer recently, he was anything but for the first half of his NBA career.  He also accomplished very little in college (by NCAA standards, not CU standards) and hasn't made an impact on the international level.  And career numbers like 15.1 ppg, 5.6 apg and 41.6% are hardly Hall of Fame-caliber.

The Verdict: Whether or not Billups deserves to be in Springfield has been and will continue to be greatly debated.  I'm too biased to see his case with any sort of objectivity.  But perhaps the best example of why Billups should get in is the fact that Joe Dumars - the man who brought Billups to Detroit - is a Hall of Famer.  Like Billups, Dumars didn't have "Hall of Fame numbers" (16.1 ppg, 4.5 apg, 46% shooting) and appeared in just six All-Star Games.  But also like Billups, Dumars, a fellow NBA Finals MVP, was a quiet, dignified, professional who demanded excellence from himself and his teammates, even if he didn't have the stats and personality typically associated with Hall of Fame players.  Billups' enshrinement might be on the fence today, but if the Nuggets have another 50-win season under his leadership he should get in.

Miller_mediumANDRE MILLER (Basketball-Reference HOF Probability: 1.6%)

The Case For: I'm not really sure why Basketball-Reference gives Miller any chance whatsoever of being in the Hall of Fame some day.  If anything is in Miller's favor, it would be that he's the modern NBA "iron man", having missed just five games in his professional career. But Miller's numbers and win totals hardly jump out at you.

The Case Against: Miller has never won a playoff series, has never appeared in an All-Star Game, averaged over 10 assists game just once and had the honor of being the starting point guard on the 2002 USA Basketball Team that finished an embarrassing sixth at the World Championships.

The Verdict: Other notable "iron men" of NBA lore - such as Randy Smith and "All Christian" (A.C.) Green aren't Hall of Famers and neither is Miller.  In fact, Miller has about a good a chance of entering the Hall of Fame as I do making the Nuggets roster this year.  Although, that 13th roster spot is technically still open...

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dangerfield

rodney always said,“i tell ya i can’t get no respect.” that seems to be billups problem. he beats bobby knight and indiana in the ncaa tourney and has an uneventful college career. he is drafted 3rd and gets traded as a rookie. he is an nba champion and finals mvp and 2 things happen. 9 of 12 players drop out of the olympics in 2004 and he is not invited. the all-star game is in denver and the fans nor the coaches put him on the team. detroit goes to the eastern conference finals 6 times in a row and he gets traded. he still has 3 years on his contract to paint his final masterpiece. chauncey does not need basketball- basketball needs chauncey. maybe the hof figures that out sooner rather than later.

by nohoops4u on Sep 16, 2009 12:46 AM MDT reply actions  

melo

he needs to develop skills on the defensive end. loses track of the ball and the man he is guarding. needs to develop a 24 second attention span, block out and REBOUND. chauncey and melo win an nba championship together in denver they both get into the hof. if elton brand is a career 20 point and 10 rebound player no reason melo cannot do it too.

by nohoops4u on Sep 16, 2009 1:01 AM MDT reply actions  

AI is in for sure, obviously. Melo though, Im not so sure about. I think Chauncey has a great shot to make it, even better than Melo, imo. Melo is never going to be a great defender, but with focus he can become a lot better. But his offense is going to get him in if anything and as it stands his offense hasn’t been hall of fame worthy up to this point. There have been a lot of guys who have averaged points in the high twenties for a season or two, but very few who can do it year in and year out. Melo is totally capable, he just has to determine that he wants to and when he does his chances should increase dramatically. I think he has to win a few scoring titles, keep making the playoffs and keep winning in the playoffs too. If he does all this, he should be in.

by GoldenNugget on Sep 16, 2009 1:40 AM MDT reply actions  

I think Melo should be in just for his college career. Noone before has ever had a freshman season like that.

by Geerten on Sep 16, 2009 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think both Iverson and Billups are locks to make the hall of fame.

Too early to say on Carmelo Anthony, but I like his chances of making it when all is said and done.

by NBR on Sep 16, 2009 5:55 AM MDT reply actions  

Mutumbo

I think he has a better chance of receiving a Humanitarian award than he does of being in the Naismith HOF, but you omitted, perhaps intentionally since he is no longer active, Mr. Finger Wag at number 46 on the BBR list. Although his chances are slim, I’d certainly list Mutumbo over Andre Miller.

by JTR on Sep 16, 2009 9:23 AM MDT reply actions  

I intentionally left Mutombo off the list because he’s no longer an “active” NBA player. But he’s another classic bubble guy. Eight All-Star Games, four Defensive Player of the Year Awards, second all-time in blocks, 17th all-time in rebounds and integral in one of the greatest playoff upsets ever. And his humanitarian efforts will get him some additional consideration.

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by Andrew Feinstein on Sep 16, 2009 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Mutombo has to be a shoo-in

He’s just too good on and off the court to be left out!

"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway

by LACK on Sep 16, 2009 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

melo

I think Melo proved he could be a great defender in the WCF, when guarding Kobe. If he could just keep up that kind of defensive effort game in game out, he’ll be in the HOF easily. He’s already a great scorer … 20-10 is not out of reach for him,

by zaf on Sep 16, 2009 11:24 AM MDT reply actions  

I think the BBR guys have Billups pegged wrong

His winning says enough. His reputation in the league will get him the votes for sure. I would be shocked if he didn’t get in.

by Gasus on Sep 16, 2009 11:36 AM MDT reply actions  

You're forgetting one

I think you made one glaring error on your list
CHEiKH SAMB!!!

by InboundingLobPass on Sep 16, 2009 6:10 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

rec dis

Cheikh Samb has the size and potential to be in the NBA for more than a season at a time.

It’s all up to him to develop actual basketball skills

"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway

by LACK on Sep 18, 2009 7:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

HOF

I championship for Melo would help, and it wouldn’t hurt CB’s chances either.

by Pusherman on Sep 17, 2009 11:22 AM MDT reply actions  

reg Melo

One thing you should remember is that this is a “basketball hall of fame” not a “NBA hall of fame.” Which already puts Melo on the fast track, since he had one of the greatest single seasons in college basketball history. And remember he’s only 24.

Chauncey, in my opinion, is already in. Partially because someone from those Piston teams is going to have to be in, and it’s probably Chauncey #1.

by thashyt on Sep 29, 2009 8:30 AM MDT reply actions  

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