Denver Stiffs reader emails...
Here's a sampling of some of the emails received throughout July and responses to them. Not surprisingly, a lot of Nuggets fans are getting anxious about the Nuggets inactivity in the offseason thus far.
Andrew, I am concerned about the Nuggs making the playoffs, let alone winning the West. Dallas, San Antonio, Portland, and the Lakers are all going to be improved. You can argue that Houston will drop without Yao and Artest, but Golden State and OKC will be better. If the Nuggs lose Nene or K-Mart for a prolonged period (and they are due for a season-ending injury) the Nuggs will struggle to nab the 8th seed. The key: acquiring a shot blocking center so Nene can move to PF and add some depth to the front line. Bring back Camby!
-Chip E.
This email is indicative of what's been coming into the Denver Stiffs email box all summer long. Almost all the fans - me included - want the Nuggets to bring in a true five-man (i.e. center) so that Nene can move to his natural position of power forward. But as stated on this blog and elsewhere, the only way the Nuggets could pull off such a move would be to include Steven Hunter's $3.7 million guaranteed contract, use some of their trade exception money and take back a bigger contract.
Bringing back Marcus Camby has always intrigued me and I included a re-acquisition of Camby in my "four bold trades" column at the beginning of July. I took a lot of heat for the mere suggestion of bringing back Camby, but I still don't think it's the worst idea in the world. Additionally, much has changed in the NBA since I wrote that column. The Lakers re-armed by signing Ron Artest and re-signing Lamar Odom, the Spurs brought in Antonio McDyess, the Trail Blazers signed Andre Miller and the Mavericks traded for Shawn Marion and signed Drew Gooden and Tim Thomas. Before I get bashed again for wanting to see Camby in a Nuggets uniform next season, remember the positives: he knows the "system," he'll be in a contract year (read: he'll be remarkably healthy as he plays for his last contract), he has a great backup in Chris Andersen and he'll free up Nene to move to power forward. And given the new landscape at the top of the Western Conference, what do the Nuggets have to lose?
I'm actually in favor one of your suggestions: Kleiza/Hunter for Marc Gasol/Greg Buckner. I want Gasol to be wearing a Denver jersey next season, but I also want to ask who is now the backup small forward for Melo when Kleiza is gone?!
-Vince G.
The Marc Gasol trade suggestion has gone over so well that not seeing the younger Gasol in a Nuggets jersey next season will be nothing short of a disappointment. The reality on the ground, so to speak, has changed however; Greg Buckner was included in the Shawn Marion deal. Additionally, Memphis' rookie center Hasheem Thabeet performed poorly during the Las Vegas Summer League which makes Gasol more valuable to the Grizzlies than he was before the draft. Therefore, if the Nuggets were to acquire Gasol today, they'd likely have to take back Marco Jaric's horrific two-year, $14.7 million guaranteed contract. That's a steep price to pay considering the raises due to Melo, K-Mart, Chauncey, Nene and J.R. going into 2010-11. Re-acquiring Camby looks even better!
Losing Kleiza is another matter and a legitimate concern. Whether the Nuggets lose Kleiza via a trade or free agency, his offensive spark off the bench would be greatly missed. Renaldo Balkman would likely become Melo's primary backup, but he can't shoot worth a damn. A lot of readers were hoping for the Nuggets to sign Melo's former college teammate Hakim Warrick, but that ship sailed when he inked a one-year deal with the Milwaukee Bucks.
How about Jerry Stackhouse off the bench for the Nuggs? I think he would be a better option than Arron Afflalo (although Stack won't be able to play nearly as good of D). Stack a veteran leader, a Carolina alum and basically took the last year off from basketball while rotting away on the Mavs bench. If we were planning on giving a 1 year vet's min to another two-guard this would be my guy.
-Geoff S.
Stackhouse will be 35 this July and hasn't been able to stay healthy for six years. Check out his games played going backward six seasons: 10, 58, 67, 55, 56, 26. That being said, there are a lot of merits to Geoff's argument and if the Nuggets were to lose Kleiza, signing Stackhouse is an intriguing idea. I just don't know the current status of Stackhouse's health. Healthy or not, at 35 years old I don't like Stack more than Afflalo.
Andrew, congrats on the merger. You and Nate are by far the best bloggers for the Nuggets and it is great to see you working together. What is the story with Jason Hart? I don’t know what his contract is with the Nuggets but I’m guessing that we wont re-sign him now that we have Ty Lawson. If he does go, what kind of salary does that clear up?
-Shannon D.
Thanks for the congrats! Working with Nate is going to be great (like how that rhymes?). By sharing/alternating content, I think we'll both write better because we won't have to endure all the pressure of keeping this blog active by ourselves.
Jason Hart was on a season-ending deal with the Nuggets last season and likely won't be back unless Anthony Carter ends up signing elsewhere. If A.C. were to leave or if he, Chauncey or Lawson were to get hurt at some point during the season, we might see Hart signed a 10-day contract or two along the way. Salary cap-wise, losing Hart means nothing. Including Chris Andersen's new contract in which he's owed $3.9 million this season, the Nuggets current cap number is about $76 million.
Andrew, new website is great - love having both views in one place. I was reading Chris Sheridan's latest article about guys who could be traded by the 2010 deadline. One of the guys on his list was Tony Battie. He makes $6.3M this year and has an expiring deal. Seems like he would be a great guy to fit into the trade exception. Get a second round pick or a protected future first or something, send a couple million dollars out the door in cash and maybe Hunter and get a guy who can defend, hit a jumper and play 12 minutes a night when Birdman, Martin and Nene are tired and/or hurt. I suppose this is likely conditioned on Kroenke taking on more payroll and sending out some cash to New Jersey (Battie's current team), but if the Nuggets get off to a great start and can get some front court insurance with Battie it seems like it would be worth it (easy to say when it isn't my money). Have you heard anything about Battie? Or does this make sense to you?
-Eric B.
Interesting suggestion. I have an admitted unhealthy bias against Tony Battie. I've hated his game since the Nuggets squandered the fifth overall pick in the draft on him in 1997 and hold him somewhat accountable for the disastrous 11-win 1997-98 Nuggets. I even nominated him for the Denver Stiffs Hall of Fame and the readers of this blog voted him third among forwards, meaning Nikoloz Tskitishvili (the WORST fifth overall pick in NBA history) and Joe Wolf were formally inducted over Battie. But it's not Battie's fault that then-GM Allan Bristow drafted him fifth, assembled one of the worst rosters in NBA history and that Bill Hanzlik wasn't really ready to be an NBA head coach.
In looking hard at Battie's numbers over at Basketball Reference, Battie has actually had a semi-decent career. And at 6'11", he could possibly be an insurance policy to K-Mart and Nene at the 2010 trade deadline. But Battie might pull an Antonio McDyess and refuse to show up for having ill feelings towards all things Nuggets. Remember, former Nuggets broadcaster turned coach turned awful GM Dan Issel once publicly labeled Battie "El Busto" during the kid's rookie year. Looks like Battie and the $48-plus million he's made over 10 solid NBA seasons is having the last laugh.
Andy, well done on the SB nation move. Nate - looking forward to your writings. I really like the new site, but I'd love to see more team colors. It looks really sharp with the black but I'm looking for the flash and dash that the Nuggets are!
-Dillon W.
I'm excited about the SB Nation move and am glad you like the new site. Almost all the reader emails and comments I've seen are in favor of the move. As you've pointed out, my only complaint is that all their sites are laid out the same and there's very little customization that we can currently do to Denver Stiffs. To their credit, SB Nation takes suggestions and complaints from their bloggers and readers seriously, and are always improving their network of websites. So as this site becomes more customizable, look for the site to be more true to the "flash and dash" of the old school Nuggets.
Thanks to the readers as always for supporting the blog! If you'd like your suggestions or questions featured in the next reader email column, please email them to denverstiffs@gmail.com.
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Battie?!?!?!?!?!
Oh God, how can I say this nicely. Battie is garbage. He did absolutely nothing for the playoffs in Orlando. Their first order of business this offseason was to hastily get him out.
I would rather have Steven Hunter. At this point they are both simply expiring contracts, and Hunter has much less of a chance of having to see the floor.
Battie would give you guys a heckuva lot more than Steven Hunter's Busted Knees ever will
Perhaps that isn’t saying much, but he’s still a decent, slightly-below-replacement-level contributor. He started the last 3 games of the regular season—Rashard Lewis rested a nagging knee (?) injury—and averaged 16 points and 6.3 rebounds on 48.7% shooting. I know he wouldn’t start in Denver, but the point is he has a few decent years left in him. Given the Nuggets’ glaring need for front-line help, he’d be a solid acquisition for the right price, IMO. Let him play out the last year of his deal, and if he shakes out okay, try coaxing him into taking a minimum deal for next year.
As you said, we shouldn’t fault him for being drafted 5th, or for signing a deal for the MLE several years ago. Like he should have said, “Thanks, but no thanks, I’m not worth that much.”
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No Marcus Camby! I hate the glassman. I can’t stand watching him jack up 19 foot jump shots all game long just because no one is guarding him! There’s a reason no one is guarding him out there! Because he can’t make them! He’s also not as great of a defender as everyone thinks – he’s a help side defender, not a one on one defender. Taking Camby back is a step in the wrong direction.
No on Camby
NugNugz, you took the words right out of my mouth; I posted on a blog the week bfore he was traded that we needed a change at center and was elated when my prayers were answered. Besides the fact that the guy has NO OFFENCE he was constantly out with some intangible injury-a hang nail would be enough for him to sit out a couple of games. I also felt that his “d” was way over-rated; if someone was putting up a shot within reach of those long arms, their was a decent chance that it would be blocked, but no way was Camby going to run around and stick to an opponent in order to defend him. You sir are quite right when you say that taking Camby back would be a step in the wrong direction.
I agree
We have three legit shot blockers in Nene, KMart, and of course Birdman (though they aren’t known for it, Nene and Martin are legit shot blocking threats). We don’t need someone who is going to play good help defense in the post.
We need a POST DEFENDER. Camby just gets backed up and dunked on one on one. Besides, he is a horrible pick and roll defender. I would like to see a guy like Marc Gasol get brought in, though I don’t think it will happen. We need a big body, some junk in the trunk.
I’d love to see the Nuggets pick up Aaron Gray, play him like 8-12 quality minutes a game.
DAVID LEE DAVID LEE DAVID LEE
Sign and trade for David Lee!
cuz i gotta say it
andrew im a guy that came over from sb nation in the merger and i gotta say i love your posts your the man! i like the variety and twice the posts is good for this young’n. also… if we got david lee that’d be unreal. although he needs to improve his d, offensivly, hes an animal. the double double machine (haha the knicks are so bad he’s the king of new york) but ide do almost anything for david lee in a nugget. dare i say ide rather get david lee then…. marc gasol.
No Camby, No Battie, and No Stack
If a true center is what we need, then Camby is not who we should be talking about. True centers don’t jack up 3’s and they have the ability to gaurd their man, instead of just blocking someone elses. I’m with Andrew about Battie – that guy served his time in a Nuggets uniform already and I can’t understand anybody wanting to see more of that. As far as Stack, he is not a better choice than Afllalo right now.
I would rather see the Nuggets drop back a few places in the standings than risk anything on one of these guys. At this point its all about trying to keep up what we had going last year. If we played like we did against Dallas, NO, and for a few games LA – we are still as legit as any other team out there – no matter what happened in the offseason.
My proposed Offseason change: Get a damn inbounds play that works
Just a small note: A trade exception can not be included with anything else in a trade. They can only be used in direct one-for-one situations, trade exception for one player. This means that Steven Hunter and the TE can not be used to trade for a high-dollar player.
optimism ftw
Can't be combined
True. If a deal were to happen though, I think Denver would work a 2 for 1 or something similar. For example trade Hunter for a scrub and then the trade exception on another player being salary dumped. Just wild speculation that the Nuggets have trimmed their roster considerably and kept Hunter to explore a possibility like that. My guess is, though, they’ve been trying to trade Hunter unsuccessfully. Probably with a second rounder to Milwaukee for Bowen’s partially guaranteed deal. Milwaukee smartly balked at Hunter’s uselessness on an already crowded roster though.
My Responses
Camby – HELL YES!!! What are we, Lakers fans post Shaq era now? Come on, you guys can’t deny Camby was a beast on the boards and whith the blocks. So what he shot a few illadvised every now and then, WHO DOESN’T?! Fact is, Camby is a great leader and a great center as well. I would prefer someone more bulky and bruising but Camby is fine with me as well.
Gasol – Sounds like a done deal, I don’t think he’s going anywhere so we might as well drop this one.
Stack – I would sign him for the vets min just to fill a roster spot, but I woulnt’ play him that much.
Battie – No thanks. We can get better for the TE.
Don't sleep on Stack
Unless his health is THAT bad, which after taking a year off, I seriously doubt, he’s a great option if Kleiza leaves.
He’s still a good scorer (as good or better than LK), a much more consistent scorer, he can get to the line, (where he excells), he’s a tough-hard nosed defender, he provided veteran playoff-tested leadership off the bench, he’s buds with Chauncey, great in transition, he has a much higher basketball IQ than LK too.
You don’t have to sign him to a multi-year, a one-year in the $1.5-1.8 would be just fine. There just aren’t very many attractive options out there. Delfino? Carney? Des Mason? Please.
I’ll take the guy who can still drop 20 on any given night.
by 12-piece Nuggets on Aug 6, 2009 11:05 AM MDT reply actions
Stack is a shooting guard though at 6'6'' and 218 lbs.
His career numbers: 18.4 points, 3.7 assists, and 3.4 rebounds.
His last 20-point game came on March 25, 2008 when he went 9-15 (2-5 from three-pt) for 20 points against the Clippers.
He hasn’t played in more than 70 games since the 2002-03 season with the Washington Wizards. Last year he appeared in 10 games and the year before that in 58 games. Not exactly a model of health.
Before his injury he was averaging 17.7 minutes, 4.2 points on 16-60 shooting for 26.7%, was 3-19 from three-point land for 15.8%. He did have two decent games where he went 5-9 for 10 points on November 9th and on November 11th he went 5-12 (3-5 from deep) for 17 points.
I don’t see him playing small forward for the Nuggets with his height and weight, but he could be a veteran off the bench to steal some minutes here and there, but at this point I like Afflalo and Balkman more than Stack.
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by Nate Timmons on Aug 6, 2009 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
wow...thanks stat fiend.
I hear ya, but again, ONE YEAR DEAL.
I love Afflalo too, and Balkman is a baller, but if you need to fill roster spots (which they do after LK goes off and eats paella), he’s a great veteran option. that’s all I’m saying.
And the stats are a little skewed since (only playing 10 games) he obviously wasn’t at full health. He’s better than that. I’m not expecting Stack circa 1999. He’s the kind of guy you want on your team to round out a roster.
Full disclosure: I’m a biased Carolina fanatic, and it shocks me that he doesn’t have a job. I’ve seen this guy bust his ass on the court for 14 years and that attitude and style of play won’t ever change. His effort, especially defensively, compared to Kleiza isn’t even comparable.
As for playing small forward, he’s got long arms and plays bigger than 6-6 (he played PF some at Carolina) and he’s a rock-solid stout 218, not a flabby pussified 245 like Kleiza.
by 12-piece Nuggets on Aug 6, 2009 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree with you. I wouldn't mind having a veteran off the bench ... especially not Stack.
I’m a Carolina fan as well, at least more so than Duke! Just pointing out numbers to get a picture at what Stack has been doing lately. A one-year deal for some bench scoring would be nice.
You are right … if/when we lose L.K. to eat “paella” we’ll need some additional scoring pop from the bench. As of now, if J.R. starts, we have Afflalo, Balkman, Lawson, and Birdman off the bench … nice role players for sure, but none of those names says offense to me.
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true enough…who’s out there that can score in bunches? Flip Murray maybe as a combo guard off the bench?
by 12-piece Nuggets on Aug 6, 2009 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions



















