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Ap-kleiza_mediumWhen the news broke that Linas Kleiza would be taking an extended Greek vacation, that deep and talented Nuggets bench we've come to know and love just got a little less deep and a lot less talented.

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I used to think that Kenyon Martin and Marco Jaric had the best agents in the world, but perhaps Kleiza does.  $12.2 million for two seasons in this worldwide recession?  Maybe Kleiza's agent had incriminating photos of Olympiakos' owner handy.  My only advice to Kleiza is that if he ever finds himself on the island of Mykonos this summer or next, he should hit the Scandinavian Bar as often as possible.  It's full of attractive, easy, impressionable, broke and young female travelers looking to shack up with a guy with a decent hotel room.  Or so I've heard... 

But to quote Nuggets vice president of basketball operations Mark Warkentien: "The simple thing is we move on, we'll replace him." Move on, yes. Replace? Not so easy.

Like him or hate him, Linas Kleiza was capable of going for 20 points on any given night for the (relatively) low cost of about $2 million a season.  You might find someone who can go for 20 off the bench.  And you might find a decent veteran who will only cost $2 million a season.  But I defy you to find both in the same guy.  

For his $72 million in payroll, Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke is on the hook to pay just 10 active players - Carmelo Anthony, Kenyon Martin, Chauncey Billups, Nene, J.R. Smith, Chris Andersen, Ty Lawson, Renaldo Balkman, Arron Afflalo and Malik Allen - and one inactive player, Antonio McDyess.  So if you're keeping score at home, the Nuggets must add three more players to meet the NBA's required minimum of a 13-man roster.  Warkentien is already on record saying that the Nuggets are "definitely trying" to re-sign Anthony Carter.  In other words, the Nuggets are capped out while the hunt is on for two new Stiffs.

Two names for one of those two slots have already been brought up.  Several readers of this blog are pushing for Steve Novak (a restricted free agent with the Clippers) and I agree with this choice wholeheartedly.  As someone who splits his time between Denver and Los Angeles, I watched Novak play a lot last season - both in person and on TV.  Novak is the "drop dead shooter" that K-Mart has been advocating for.  Not only does Novak hit almost 42% of his three's, but he makes big shots when the clock is winding down.  I was actually at the Clippers/Nets game when Novak nailed seven of 11 three-point shot attempts, including the game-ending buzzer beater.  It was an incredible performance.  And for what it's worth, I've heard from a number of people in LA that are close to Novak that he couldn't be a better guy.

The second name that has come up, according to The Denver Post's Chris Dempsey, is Wally Szczerbiak.  Szczerbiak is a career 40.6% three-point shooter but unlike Novak, I haven't seen Szczerbiak make a meaningful or clutch shot in ages.  Watching plenty of Cavaliers games in recent seasons (you can't avoid them, the Cavs are always on national TV) it seemed like there were countless times when Szczerbiak was called upon to hit a big shot but was unable to do so.  If I wanted an unreliable shooter who just stands outside the three-point arc while not contributing elsewhere, I'd bring back Voshon Lenard.

Salaries being equal and assuming the Clippers wouldn't match an offer to Novak - a bold assumption, by the way - you have to go with Novak over Szczerbiak.  Novak is younger, taller and a better clutch shooter.  This is a no-brainer.  The Nuggets still have about $2 million from the mid-level exception to spend on a free agent and it's possible that Novak could be had at that price in this market.  If Novak commanded more than $2 million annually, the Nuggets could use one of their trade multiple exceptions to acquire them in a sign-and-trade. 

Regardless of who takes the Nuggets 12th roster spot, the final (i.e. 13th) roster spot will likely go to a league minimum type player.  Perhaps someone who impresses during training camp like Coby Karl did during Summer League play.  I just don't see the Nuggets overextending themselves financially for their final roster spot and nor should they.  And frankly, don't be surprised if the Nuggets go for two "scrap heap" guys, fill out both the 12th and 13th roster spots with minimum salaried players and go with what they have entering the 2009-10 season.

Of course, none of these scenarios account for possibly bringing in the legitimate big man that the Nuggets (well, that Nuggets fans including this one) so badly covet.  And signing Mikki Moore doesn't count.  

Moving forward, the key date to keep an eye on is November 3rd, 2009.  A full year after the Allen Iverson-for-Chauncey Billups deal was consummated, that's the day that the Nuggets $8.7 million trade exception (which would give the Nuggets the most flexibility to acquire a true center) expires.  If November 3rd passes and the Nuggets don't make a move for a big man, the best they can do is use the $3.7 million trade exception received in the recent Steven Hunter trade.

Congrats to Kleiza on scoring a big overseas contract.  He's leaving the Nuggets more financially sound, but in dire need of an off-the-bench scorer who spreads the floor in his wake.

(Photo courtesy of Garrett W. Ellwood/NBAE via Getty Images)

 

On a very random side note (and pardon the shameless plug), I want to give a shout out thanks to Denver Stiffs reader "stiffy" for mentioning that The Denver Post is doing a comics poll and my comic strip - "Girls & Sports" - can be written in at the bottom.  If readers of this blog would like to see "Girls & Sports" published in the Post, please take a few minutes to fill out the survey and write it in on our behalf.  I'd be most grateful!

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LK will be missed

I like Novak too but he can’t go to the hole the same way Kleiza did. We will miss LK!

by Maxie Miner on Aug 11, 2009 12:15 PM MDT reply actions  

Suggestions

Just throwing out my opinion. I think the Nuggets should resign Johan Petro (we have no 7 footers on the roster as of now), he would at least be another body we can use as an insurance policy (he’s athletic, and young, maybe there’s still a chance he can develop). The second player I would recommend they sign is Cedric Simmons, he played on our summer league team; he looks pretty big and athletic from the highlights that I’ve seen from the summer league and could become somewhat like a K-Mart clone. Finally I agree on the Steve Novak signing, the guy can shoot, and can play our backup SF spot. Together with Anthony Carter’s signing (I don’t think we really need him with Ty Lawson on our roster) that will make 14 players, and the last 4 we sign would probably only add up to $5 Million (not bad in terms of NBA salaries).

by bodmiesta on Aug 11, 2009 12:28 PM MDT reply actions  

No Doubt

Bring back Petro

by DannyG23 on Aug 11, 2009 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

We need Petro.

He’s young and he’s raw but he’s seven feet tall.

Last night I played Nene at the PF with Birdman/Petro at C and it worked BEAUTIFULLY in NBA2K9. Dunks left right and sideways and utilizing Nene’s superior speed to underneath.

Swats.

by Colin Neilson on Aug 11, 2009 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

ive done that too lol...

but that is cuz in 2k9 its easy to score inside so i score at least 20 points w petro before in like 5 min just cuz hes tall and can dunk…

by hvino on Aug 11, 2009 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

2k9 is awesome.

I never play petro! In 2k9 I need scoring off the bench so start:

PG Billups
SG Kleiza
SF Melo
PF Kmart
C Steven Hunter

off the bench with:

PG JR/Melo
SG JR/Melo
SF Balkman
PF Birdman
C Nene

and I run thru ppl…but thats just 2k9

by GottaLoveMelo on Aug 11, 2009 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Man...

Those Greek bastards sure know how to overpay a player

by DannyG23 on Aug 11, 2009 12:29 PM MDT reply actions  

wrong time to leave

LK said he’s going to return to NBA when situation improve. It’s just sad that he chose to leave now, when Denver is a championship contender and needs players like him.

by JuBar on Aug 11, 2009 12:32 PM MDT reply actions  

So....

How about this as some sets?

Starts:

PG: Chauncey
SG: J.R.
C: Andersen
PF: Nene
SF: Carmelo

Bench:

PG: Lawson
SG: Afflalo
C: Petro
PF: Martin
SF: Balkman

Alternate, O:

PG: Lawson
SG: Afflalo
C: Petro
PF: Nene
SF: Melo

Alternate, D:

PG: Lawson
SG: Afflalo
C: Andersen
PF: Nene
SF: Balkman

Notes: Denver. Must. Start. Andersen. At. Center. Nene, while showing a great deal of improvement last year, absolutely needs to shift to PF for his true potential to be realized. Chris Andersen has the length to play as a true C and can be backed up by the 7-foot Petro. Lawson is going to be better than Carter immediately (sorry, Carter), even if he does make some rookie mistakes. And Balkman is a capable backup SF. He may not be able to drain open jumpers with regularity, but he is a lockdown defender and is a double double dynamo.

TL;DR: Shift Andersen to starting C, Martin as a PF backup for Nene. Petro as backup to Andersen. Lawson with the backup PG over Carter.

Kenyon can take it. I think Nene brings more to the team as an offensive threat than KMart does as a defensive one. Or start Kenyon, then use him in a Dahntay-type role where he’d play significant first-second quarter minutes, then be taken out in favor of Nene’s bruising low post.

Swats.

by Colin Neilson on Aug 11, 2009 2:46 PM MDT reply actions  

Novak

True. Novak would definitely be a nice pick up. I hope Nugs do something with that trade exception.

by GottaLoveMelo on Aug 11, 2009 3:22 PM MDT reply actions  

This is why losing Kleiza hurts us

I am just speculating here but Novak’s qualifying offer is probably a little over a million. (Anyone correct me please cause I have no idea). But I would bet that the clippers would be willing to match anything up to a max of 3 mil for him. If we give steve 3 mil which I think is overpaying him anyway we will have to match that almost dollar for dollar right because we are over the salary cap? So around 6 mil for him? Anyway I’m more asking questions than making a statement. I don’t know too much about the salaries and qualifying offers.

Plus I guess we will be paying dollar for dollar no matter who we pick up right? So might as well be a shooter like Novak. Don’t let us down Warkentien.

by RezThugget on Aug 11, 2009 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Novak's qualifying offer is for $1.03 million.

Denver would have to wait seven days for the Clippers to match any offers as he’s a restricted free agent.

Hoopshype has his offer number here.

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by Nate Timmons on Aug 11, 2009 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

You can never overpay a 3 point specialist

Ok, you can. But for 3 mil it is def worth it. Guys who can flat out shoot the 3 consistantly off the bench are rare and are extremely important in championship caliber seasons. We see it time and time again with the Spurs and Lakers.

by GoldenNugget on Aug 11, 2009 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks

From the looks of it the Clips are well below the cap and would easily be able to match any offer. So A sign and trade seems like the only option. Reading clippers message boards they seem to love him too and make him sound like a great locker room guy.

by RezThugget on Aug 11, 2009 4:37 PM MDT reply actions  

Yes, I think it'd be tough to pull him away with a contract offer. Sign-and-trade would be a good option ...

but what assets do we have left that would entice the Clips to ship him out … ? Good locker room guy … good shooter … cheap contract … would be a great pull by the Front Office if they can make it happen.

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by Nate Timmons on Aug 11, 2009 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not much

second round picks I guess. Balkman, Afflalo, JR are the most tradeable contracts but we need those guys, so trading to plug one role would just open up another somewhere else

The best asset we have now is the trade exceptions, being able to take salary. I don’t know how many teams are willing to just dump a quality player to save money right now

by runningdonut on Aug 11, 2009 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sounds like they have alot of interest in Wally szczerbiack(cant spell). I think he’d fit in nicely with Denvers style of ball especially if he’s gonna sign on the cheap.

by CCH on Aug 11, 2009 7:21 PM MDT reply actions  

Wally is probably a good option now . .

Kinda puts LK in perspective now that we are hoping to sign a “homeless man’s” LK . . .he brings about the same stuff to the table, just less of it.

by Frontrange on Aug 11, 2009 8:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

blargh.

please, no. What exactly does Wally Sczerbiak bring to Denver? He’s not very athletic, has defense problems, and can only (barely) shoot the 3.

Denver needs more bigs, not smaller forwards or guards.

Swats.

by Colin Neilson on Aug 11, 2009 8:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

But I still wouldn’t mind them taking a look at Bruce Bowen if he’s still available.

by chilly dog on Aug 13, 2009 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

"Mile High Club" t-shirt

anyone know where i can find that t-shirt that used to be advertised on this site? it had the old-school rainbow city skyline with a plane flying through it. the words “mile high club” were under the logo.

thanks

by coach_bach on Aug 11, 2009 11:11 PM MDT reply actions  

Here's that link to the T-shirts

Lots of cool stuff to choose from including the Mile High Club shirt…

http://www.4thandforever.com/

Andrew Feinstein | DenverStiffs.com | denverstiffs@gmail.com

by Andrew Feinstein on Aug 11, 2009 11:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I haven’t even had time to comment because I’ve been in 24 hour prayer sessions hoping the Nuggets do not waste a single dollar on Wally Sczerbiak.

by BrianD on Aug 12, 2009 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

I wonder if the Nuggs would be interested in Malik Hairston

I don’t know if the Spurs would give him up to another contender,but he seems like a guy who could potentially fill the void left by Kleiza and he’s cheaper.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 11, 2009 11:37 PM MDT reply actions  

Who are we going to fill 3 (2) slots with?

We need a big, who else is left/available? The Nuggets should have signed Kleiza to a contract earlier in the season then traded him in the offseason.

Heh.

Swats.

by Colin Neilson on Aug 12, 2009 12:02 AM MDT reply actions  

I think you’d be suprised at how good wally can stroke with so much attention going to jr melo and chauncey. you also cannot tell me he doesn’t have better iq, passing and ball handling skills than LK.

by CCH on Aug 12, 2009 5:52 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Wally

Yeah Wally would definitely help our causes. I dont like him better than Kleiza because Kleiza is 20-30 points just waiting to happen. But wally would be a nice addition since the Novak thing is not likely to happen.

by GottaLoveMelo on Aug 12, 2009 7:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Flip Murray

Does anybody know about this guy? I havent heard his name ALL summer and I dont know how much he commands, but I believe he is an unrestriced free agent.

by GottaLoveMelo on Aug 12, 2009 8:00 AM MDT reply actions  

yeah -

isn’t he a 2 gaurd – like a little one even

by DannyG23 on Aug 12, 2009 8:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

he's a 2 guard

He played some point while Bibby was out and played some 3 when he was in with Joe Johnson. Not sure how tall he is. Unless they were just running a mall line up.

by GottaLoveMelo on Aug 12, 2009 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Reader "Bronn" over at Peach Tree Hoops.com (Hawks SB Nation site) said this about Flip Murray when I asked about him:

Thread here.

Flip:

not expected to be back. Jamal Crawford is likely to take over his role, so Teague can’t expect any more minutes than Acie Law got last season.

Flip literally had a career year across the board. Way above his career bests in TS%, eFG%, also a career low in TO%, and almost certainly his best year defensively as well. He’s a career 30% 3 point shooter who shot 36% last year. Basically, he overachieved, and I doubt anyone believes he can repeat that type of production. He’s likely to be overpaid coming off a career season, and we’re glad the Hawks won’t be the ones to do it.

Make no mistake, when he was hot, we were absolutely in love with the guy when he got hot. There were at least a dozen game threads where commenters on this blog were just running out of superlatives for him. But the odds of him continuing to provide positive value for an NBA team aren’t very high.

In regards to your last question, the Hawks tried using Flip in a PG role, but he certainly wasn’t up to it. That experiment didn’t last too long; Mike Woodson demonstrated some uncharacteristic clarity in his usage of Ronald Murray and simply used him a pure scorer. Most of his minutes were played at 2, with Bibby running the point and JJ sliding down to the 3. And usually, when he was replacing Bibby on the floor, it was for defensive purposes and JJ ran the offense for us.

It’s probably detrimental to ask Flip to play PG, as he’ll attempt to but lacks both the mentality and the recognition. He only dominates the ball even more than usual, but he checks his aggressiveness, essentially wasting time pounding as he tries to figure out what to do. At least, this was my observation of the times when he was playing PG for us. He’s got some sick instincts for getting to the hole, so he’s at his best when his role is limited to looking for his own scoring opportunities rather than his teammates’.

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by Nate Timmons on Aug 12, 2009 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

cool.

So how do you feel about Flip if JR indeed does start and if Arron can play the 3? Can Arron play the 3?

by GottaLoveMelo on Aug 12, 2009 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

At around 6'5'' and 215 lbs. ... Afflalo isn't really an ideal #3 (especially against the bigger 3's like Paul Pierce) ...

But I think he could fill in there a bit with a smaller lineup … I do like his size as a two-guard though.

I wouldn’t mind having Flip’s scoring off the bench, but again I’m not sure where he would be able to get minutes on this team b/c J.R. and Afflalo should eat up all the available time at shooting guard.

I have a feeling that Wally Szczerbiak is going to be a Nugget here in the next week or so as Denver needs more of a pure shooter off the bench with some decent size or at least more ideal small forward size like Wally would bring.

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by Nate Timmons on Aug 12, 2009 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah...

He sounds like the perfect fit – all he needs is to practice on the height and weight portion of his game a little.

by DannyG23 on Aug 12, 2009 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

More Free Agent Questions.

Looking over the free agent list, and knowing we HAVE to fill some roster slots, I have compiled my little list of who I wouldnt mind seeing in a nugget uniform but I wonder what some of you guys think. This is purely off the free agent list tho.

Bigs:
Stro Show. I dont know if Stomile has nagging injuries or not but I always loved Stro.
Chris Mihm. Just for the fact that I know he is 1000 times better than Malik Allen.

Guards/SF:
As I’ve seem somebody mention before Kareem Rush. Idk about his defense but he just really needs to shoot.
Rashad McCants. I believe could be decent off the bench. And from UNC so he already gets love.
Joey Graham. We got Afflalo so ehh…but he is Dahntay Jones with a better IQ and he wont trip Kobe. Better jump shooter, not so good 3pt shooter tho. But a defender with crazy athleticism.
Gerald Green? Pysch! haha, He’s JR Smith 2 years ago.

by GottaLoveMelo on Aug 12, 2009 8:38 AM MDT reply actions  

roster spots

add steve novak and arron gray at back up center. both are restriced free agents. luther head is unrestricted. that will bring the roster to 13 players. a gaurd that can play 1+2, a forward to play 3+4 and a center that is a 7 footer and weighs 270 lbs. all 3 are young and played 4 years of college for great coaches in tough conferences. you have 3 players that collectively cover all 5 possible postions on the court.

by robble donnert on Aug 13, 2009 1:40 AM MDT reply actions  

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