Nuggets courting Grant Hill?
The more I've been thinking about it ... the more I'm thinking that Linas Kleiza has played his last game as a Denver Nugget. Now that I've said that, the Nuggets will re-sign L.K. this week to spite me.
The NBA free agency period is a funny time and a lot can happen in the blink of an eye. Just look at what Hedo Turkoglu did this weekend by apparently agreeing to terms with the Portland Trail Blazers and then changing his mind and verbally agreeing to sign with the Toronto Raptors aka the team John Hollinger of ESPN said was L.K.'s "strongest suitor."
The NBA arms race is heating up and the big names are choosing new teams, like Rasheed Wallace committing to sign with the Boston Celtics today. And the Denver Nuggets might be getting closer to start making some of their own moves.
The Denver Post is reporting that a deal with Chris Andersen is moving along and after the Bird is caged then Denver will turn their attention to other areas of need. The Post is also reporting that Denver is attempting to backload Birdman's contract, as I expected, and his cap number for next season will hopefully be around $3 million, which would leave the Nuggets with somewhere around $2.6 million in MLE money leftover for another free agent.
An interesting tidbit from the bottom of the Post's Birdman story is that again I read how the Nuggets have talked, or are talking to, or gave a quick buzz to Grant Hill.
Denver is also in talks with the Suns' Grant Hill a possible free-agent signee, although Hill and his family enjoy the Phoenix community. Hill made around $4 million over the past two seasons.
If the Nuggets somehow come to terms with Grant Hill then Linas Kleiza's replacement will be known. The fact that Denver is talking to Hill makes me think that the front office is again on the right path. Championship level teams bring in seasoned veterans and Hill would be an asset in powder blue. But Hill's acquisition would come with some questions.
- Will Grant Hill take a reduced role to chase a ring in Denver?
- Will Hill's fortunate good health the past two seasons continue?
1.) Reduced Role? For his career Hill averages 35.7 minutes per game, including 29.8 mpg last season. Obviously Carmelo Anthony is the small forward for the Denver Nuggets (Hill's natural position at 6'8'' and 225 pounds), but I think George Karl would not be opposed to playing Hill alongside Melo at times as Karl did with L.K..
As we've seen with players like Michael Finley (when he joined the Spurs), veteran guys have reinvented themselves to be valuable bench players on winning teams, but it's a pretty big sacrifice and can be a bit difficult on the ego ... see Iverson, Allen with the Detroit Pistons.
And if Hill did decide to sign with Denver then I think that would be perceived by the rest of the league that the Nuggets are a team that is capable of winning a championship and worth consideration ... this is the exact thing that Antonio McDyess did not see when he was traded here along with Chauncey Billups.
2.) Health. Grant played in 70 games in his first season with the Suns in the 2007-08 season and last year Hill played in all 82 games for the first time in his career.
It was great to see Hill healthy these past two seasons after missing 135 regular season games between 2001 and 2006 (or 32.9% of regular season games missed.) Hill will turn 37 years-old in October and will be entering his 15th NBA season. So, his window is closing on that elusive championship.
Hill's still producing some nice numbers and is a very reliable shooter who can create his own shot. He's not a huge threat from long distance, but he's a capable defender and a guy with a good motor (excuse the NFL terminology.)
Grant Hill's stats from the 2008-2009 season:12.9 points per game (18.5 career)
52.3% field goal shooting (48.6% career)
31.6% three-point shooting (27.8% career)
80.8% free throw shooting (76.4% career)
4.9 rebounds (6.6 career)
2.3 assists (4.7 career)
1.1 steals (1.36 career)
Hill's three-point shooting concerns me a little bit, but he did improve on his career numbers as he averaged 31.65% from beyond the arc during his two-year stint in Phoenix (still not a nice number as the average of a good three-ball shooter in the NBA is a lot closer to 40%). The Nuggets biggest competition for Hill seems to be the Knicks and the Suns. I don't see Hill seriously considering New York at this point in his career and the Suns seem to be in limbo with what direction their team is in. Mike Lisboa from SB Nation's Suns blog Bright Side of the Sun has an interesting piece up titled "No Franchise For Old Men" where he discusses how the Suns are not currently constructed to win a title right now and wouldn't mind seeing Hill in another uniform. Phoenix General Manager Steve Kerr does not seem to be wanting Hill to leave however, as the The Arizona Republic reported.
"Grant is our biggest priority and that's why I'll be in Orlando," Kerr said. "He's an important part of our team and we'll make sure he knows that."
Hill only made $1.97 million last season with the Suns and he could have probably signed for a lot more elsewhere. Perhaps if Hill sees in Denver what he saw in Phoenix then he could prove to be a cheaper option than L.K., but would he be a better option as well?
While it would be awesome if Denver could sign Hill and bring back L.K. ... that isn't realistic.
All I know is that the NBA arms race is heating up and the Nuggets have yet to show us what they are stockpiling.
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Pretty even voting so far...
But I voted Hill because I believe he helps give us the better chance to win now. Kleiza could very well be a productive player in the future, but I honestly doubt it. This team was so close to a championship and Kleiza was not one of the contributing factors in the playoffs. He had a good game. Maybe two. I want decent production and some veteran experience. If my choice is between Hill and LK, I’m going with Hill.
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by Greyson on Jul 5, 2009 9:36 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Sort of surprised by the early voting myself.
I’m not totally sure who I would want out of the two either, but I think obviously Hill has a more complete game.
Could be some other names popping into the picture as well. Carlos Delfino is an interesting name that could be had now that Hedo signed in Toronto.
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by Nate Timmons on Jul 5, 2009 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
G Hill
When you think about the veteran factor and extreme value he delivers for the money, it definitely makes sense. But I don’t see Grant is a good fit in Denver right now. He won’t produce much in limited minutes as he’d be essentially filling Kleiza’s role. Also this pretty much kills any chance of developing Naldo with more minutes next season. Secondly, he’ll contribute a lot more offense than Defense which is pretty much what LK does already. Personally, I’d rather have the younger LK with potential or whatever he could bring back as a trade asset. I don;t see why Grant would really want to come here either. He’d play behind Melo and the climate is a far cry from his Orlando home and his last team in Phoenix.
Based on this and the AC poll, I would advise not to put too much stock into the voting. It’s quiet around here and I’m starting to believe we’re being invaded by non Nugz fans trying to convince us it’s a great idea to bring back AC and sign G Hill. I’ll get behind Grant if we somehow land him but I would rather see the money spent on a backup PF/C. Frye is much better option for similar money. Plus I want to see us develop our young talent with a little more burn next year (Sonny, Ty, Naldo).
by runningdonut on Jul 5, 2009 11:28 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see them land Frye
I would gladly switch Kleiza out with Frye, Grant hill aside, and get some more PT for the Crimestopper.
by Missing Lynx on Jul 6, 2009 1:14 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
CRIMESTOPPER!!
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by Nate Timmons on Jul 6, 2009 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Naldo / Hill / Frye
I’m not quite sure if Balkman is going to have an expanded role in any scenario next season … well, I guess if LK signs somewhere else and Hill chooses the Celtics or Suns instead of Denver then Balkman may be our only option.
Hill – like I mentioned above … I think it’d be a turning point type signing if Denver adds Hill. Shows that veterans trust the Nuggets are heading towards a ’ship (as Rasheed Wallace calls it.) But you are on to something with saying Hill would be concerned with being a backup and the climate.
But the guy did play in Detroit already (though he took off for Orlando) and if he’s considering Boston … (although that may be for a title run over anything else.)
I’d also like to find out more about our interest in Frye … I think he’s a solid option and it was just a few seasons ago that he was looking like a very solid NBA player before being in a log jam at power forward in Portland. Although the same could be said of LK’s potential.
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by Nate Timmons on Jul 6, 2009 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No log jam
He just got beat out by Travis Outlaw for the backup 4 spot…Outlaw is a SF by the way.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 7, 2009 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't have been a bigger logjam! hahaha jokes.
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by Nate Timmons on Jul 8, 2009 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
G Hills health...
won’t hold up without PHX’s climate and training staff. I’m not hating on the Nuggies trainer (steve?) but PHX’s staff has god-like powers, just ask grant, steve, and Shaq.
by NugNugz on Jul 6, 2009 10:34 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I picked Kleiza
I still think he has some areas where he can improve but I worry too much about Grant Hill’s health, now if Kleiza were to leave because he is too expensive then I would be for signing Hill.
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by Broncoman on Jul 6, 2009 11:48 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
We do own LK’s Bird Rights … so we could theoretically re-sign him to any dollar amount.
How much is too much for L.K.? (taking into consideration that L.K.’s qualifying offer is for $2.7 million)
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by Nate Timmons on Jul 6, 2009 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anything more that 2.7 Mil is too much... IMO
I love me some Crimestopper, but he has no offense. LK has a decent 3-pt shot (When it goes in) and can hit the lane hard (when he wants to).
Grant Hill at this age is a wash with LK right now. If Hill was playing just like Pistons-Era himself it would be a no-brainer. But I’d rather stick with someone who already knows this system and has already established rapport with the team.
by CombatChuk on Jul 6, 2009 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind seeing LK and Naldo sharing some time ...
But I feel like there isn’t much playing time to even go around … especially not if the Nuggets do like a lot of Nuggets fans want and bring in another big.
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by Nate Timmons on Jul 6, 2009 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
LK has a decent 3-pt shot (When it goes in)
That is pretty much true for everyone in the NBA
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by Broncoman on Jul 7, 2009 2:15 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good question, I would guess anything above 3 to 4 mil a year
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by Broncoman on Jul 7, 2009 2:13 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kleiza
Say we sign Hill, do we just let Kleiza walk? Is there some way we can get some value for him back? like maybe a big?
by bodmiesta on Jul 6, 2009 6:04 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Would be an upgrade
over Kleiza. No offense against Linas, but Hill would bring a veteran presence and solid all-around play to the Nugs.
Why the heck would Kerr and the Suns want to resign him? Is it to appease Nash?
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by propheteer on Jul 6, 2009 8:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Kleiza sign and trade
I would definetly want to take grant hill of kleiza. Grant brings a great leadership to the locker room and still puts up good numbers coming off the bench. Now if we sign hill which now doesn’t seem likely do we still sign kleiza. If we do I think we need to make a sign and trade for a big man. Foster or Lee type player.
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