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Still waiting on that point guard ...

Bobby-jackson-kings_mediumThe title above is a homage to my days working in restaurants ... "Still waiting on that  meatloaf Mark!" And we Nuggets fans are still waiting on that third point guard. Who will it be? Check the jump for more maddening discussion.

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My gut (which seems to be growing over the years) tells me that Anthony Carter will be brought back ... I'm about 73.1% sure of it, for those of you that are really paying attention later on ... that's the same percentage as A.C. from the foul line last season. I discussed all the plusses and minuses to bringing A.C. back earlier in the month.

The reason I bring this back up now is because the list of potential available point guards is shrinking by the day.

The List:

  • Stephon Marbury ... no thanks.
  • Jason Hart ... there could be worse options (see Marbury, Stephon)
  • C.J. Watson ... bringing in the young kid makes no sense with Ty Lawson aboard, plus he rumored to be heading to Orlando.
  • Ramon Sessions ... again we run into the Ty Lawson being the young guy thing and even if Denver offered this restricted free agent a deal it'd be laughed off the table because Sessions is looking for the full MLE and may get it from the Knicks.
  • Nate Robinson ... an even smaller version of Lawson!
  • Brevin Knight ... I'm willing to bet that I could beat him at H.O.R.S.E. at least twice.
  • Jacque Vaughn ... if he's still even alive I demand proof.
  • Tyronn Lue ... maybe ... if I'm running a lottery team.

Aside from Watson, Sessions, and Robinson (whom Denver can't sign if they want to develop Lawson) the list above looks about as appetizing as Rocky Mountain Oysters. The way I see it there are really only two options for the Nuggets:

  1. Re-sign Anthony Carter and let him battle for minutes with Lawson.
  2. Sign free agent and former Nugget Bobby Jackson.

To quickly reiterate ... Carter will bring you fairly solid defense, the willingness to share the ball and get his teammates involved, and the ability to perfectly inbound the ball from out of bounds. (too soon?)

But there will probably be a sneaking suspicion from the Denver fans about the return of A.C. as reader Running Donut pointed out nicely the other day:

Running Donut: "Should AC return, I expect he would want to be given the same role as last season. Depending on Ty Lawson's performance, that may be nearly impossible. This combined with GK's affinity for Carter is very troubling to me. Personally, I see the potential for a dangerous conflict of interest that could be a dividing force within the team and organization."

(Running Donut ... I know you'll probably read this, so, please inform us on the handle name if you want.)

 

These same fears have crept into my head as well, so I feel safe assuming that the above is a shared feeling across Nuggets Nation. If A.C. is brought back ... how much will that hurt the benefits that Ty Lawson may bring?

George Karl will be asked to balance this out and it's really not a very easy task ... at least not to an idiot like me!

The entire A.C. dilemma feels like getting off crutches for the first time. You know your injury may be healed, but if you give up your aide too soon you may fall flat on your face. On the other hand, you are continuing to weaken your new leg/ankle/knee by using the aide of a crutch for too long.

Though the question of "When to give up the crutches?" is probably better asked next season when we see how Lawson performs in the league ... it's not a bad one to consider now. Whomever Denver elects to bring in knows they are probably in a lame duck position. The guy Denver signs will almost surely get a one-year deal and know that at some point the minutes may not be there as soon as mid-season if Lawson excels. So, if there is a multi-year offer out there then one must consider the age old wacky NBA question ... winning or money?

It's a great thing when you can get both, but at least in this situation it may not work that way as Denver is lacking in the money department.

And that brings me to Bobby Jackson. In order for him to come back to Denver he'd have to be willing to take a huge pay cut from $6.4 million last season to the minimum of $1.3 million this season (unless Denver offered up the bi-annual exception of $1.99 million.)

The reason I'm looking at Jackson is simple ... Denver may require some scoring off the bench if Linas Kleiza does not return to the team ... heck, even if L.K. is back it wouldn't hurt to adding a little scoring pop to the bench. Jackson has played the role of 6th Man basically his entire career. The most games he has ever started is 53 during his rookie season, ironically, with the Denver Nuggets in the 1997-98 tilt.

B-Jax knows how to score the ball. Entering his 13th season he has averaged double-digit scoring seven times, topping out at 15.2 point per game with the Sacramento Kings in the 2002-03 season. Anthony Carter's career mark was set with Denver in the 2007-08 season when he started 67 games (played in 70) and averaged 7.8 points per game. Let's dive into a head-to-head look at Carter and Jackson from last season:

 

 Anthony Carter  Bobby Jackson
Age 34 36 turns 37 in March
Height 6'2'' 6'1''
Weight 195 lbs. 185 lbs.
 2008-09
Games 78 71
Minutes 22.9 20.9
FG% 43.3% (167-386)  39% (193-485)
3-pt% 23.9% (21-88) 30.5% (60-197)
FT% 73.1% (57-78) 85.1% (86-101)
Assists 4.7 2
Turnovers 1.99 0.93
Steals 1.23 0.87
Points 5.3 ppg 7.5 ppg

 

 

 

Again, I see the move of inking Jackson over Carter as one that would allow Denver's bench more offensive punch. Carter is known as a great effort guy and works his ass off on defense. But if Lawson can shoulder some of the load and become a capable defender then Jackson may be called upon to help stretch the floor, a career 35.4% three-point shooter, and give the Nuggets a reliable scoring guard off the bench when needed.

When Billups was not on the floor the Nuggets offense struggled to find the same cohesiveness that old #7 brought. The second unit was hindered by Carter's lack of ability to create his own shot when called upon to do so. Jackson is at the point in his career where he doesn't have a lot of time left to chase the title. I love upgrading the bench with his scoring and he's not that much of an upgrade over A.C. to be a detriment to Lawson.

If Jackson were to sign ... it'd at least finally quiet the chatter around Nuggets Nation as to whom the third point guard will be.

 

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I used to be a HUGE bobby jackson fan. I’d be down for bringing him on board.

by NugNugz on Jul 23, 2009 2:12 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Forget the PG

Lets bring A.I. back to run the point for 12 minutes a game while Billups gets some rest. hahahaha, jokes! Nate, I’ll bring your meatloaf down this weekend! This has nothing to do with the PG but what about Kareem Rush on the team???

by muffinmania on Jul 23, 2009 2:20 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Kareem Rush has been bouncing around the league for a reason ...

I don’t see him doing much in Denver, though they like to float his name around these parts a lot.

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by Nate Timmons on Jul 23, 2009 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brilliant

I hadn’t even thought about Bjax being available. If AC doesn’t come around, I seriously doubt we would bring in another young guy. We would go for a vet, and Bobby J obviously still produces. I think he’s at a point where 3rd PG on a contender is a perfect situation for him.

Haha, word up Nate thanks for the shoutout. I’m fine with RD runningdonut or my real name Charlie. I agree with you we’re probably going to get AC back in good time, it is the same money after all. But I really don’t like this waiting game at all. When you see a guy like Chris Tomasson report that AC really wants minutes and GK is aggresively insisting that we get Carter back, it seems like it could be bad for both sides. The longer it drags out the more I think that AC’s goals and the Nuggets goals are at odds with each other. George Karl’s influence on this decision is the really disturbing thing

by runningdonut on Jul 23, 2009 4:35 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but what's the inspiration behind Runningdonut? ha.

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by Nate Timmons on Jul 23, 2009 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunno

Hehe, just had it for a long time. Thought it up in high school randomly and it stuck

by runningdonut on Jul 24, 2009 12:50 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess a little patience wouldn’t hurt. Just getting eager for the Nuggets to make another move.

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by Nate Timmons on Jul 23, 2009 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Getting antsy here too. I also don’t see what the hold-up is. Nothing really to negotiate with AC he doesn’t have any leverage with us. Like you said whoever comes in is going to be a 1 year deal and it might be a lame duck, uncertain situation as far as playing time goes. I’d rather see it sooner rather than later because that will make me think AC will eventually settle for Denver and be upset about Lawson getting minutes.

by runningdonut on Jul 24, 2009 12:56 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

jamaal tinsley

i personally would not want him at all but its a name u left out, his skill obvious its just his attitude and would definately take away a lot of playing time from Ty which none of us want

PS
what are some nicknames for Ty Lawson?

by hvino on Jul 23, 2009 5:11 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Jamaal Tinsely ... yikes!

I’ve read that he’s is very good shape and has been playing a lot of ball. I don’t want him in Denver, but he’s going to get a shot somewhere.

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by Nate Timmons on Jul 24, 2009 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like it, Bobby Jackson would be a solid guy off the bench

What is the status of Shawn Livingston? I heard he was playing in the summer league but I didn’t know if he was guarenteed any spots on a roster. If his knees are somewhat servicable, I would love to have him, gives you some length and height that we miss.

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by Broncoman on Jul 23, 2009 5:42 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I too would love Shaun Livingston

He’s still young and even though he’s lost some athleticism, he’s solid on D and has great size. However he is signed with the OKC Thunder.

by NugNugz on Jul 24, 2009 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

OKC signed Livingston to a multi-year deal

by shoothoop on Jul 26, 2009 1:36 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

ya but dont remeber last year he signed with the clippers

then he retired and around january he wanted to be reinstated as a FA but the NBA Players Association voted against it meaning until the clips waive/release him or his contract expires he could become a free agent and he said he wants to… and clips waived him today so hes a FA

by hvino on Jul 23, 2009 8:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa, no way

I did not know that. I would still prefer Bobby over him as he is rusty most likely. But it would be awesome to see White Chocolate work some of his magic in a Nuggets uniform. He would fit right in here in Denver.

by GoldenNugget on Jul 23, 2009 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Article on J-Will

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4351672

He’s coming back. It’s a little risky because he’s been out of the game for a while and getting older. Bjax on the other hand is still contributing and for some reason I think GK would be more inclined to go for him.

by runningdonut on Jul 24, 2009 12:36 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do have to say though ... I'm looking over White Chocolate's stats ... very very similar to Bobby Jackson ...

Williams averaged more assists however.

Career 32% 3-point shooter.
39% FG shooter
81% free throws (though in his last three seasons he didn’t shoot worse than 86.3% from the line)

6.3 assists (4.6 in his last season in Miami)

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by Nate Timmons on Jul 24, 2009 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, haha

You know, he’s just that type of flashy player which Denver seems to have a lot of. He was a fan favorite everywhere he went and has great ball skills. I honestly would sign him right now and put him right in as the backup PG over Lawson and whoever we would sign, IF he is in shape and ready to go. I could just imagine him and Birdman together. He would fit our style well though, and push the pace.

by GoldenNugget on Jul 24, 2009 10:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bobby Jacks >>>> Carter any day

But I would be more concerned that Bobby would actually take over as backup over Lawson if it were to happen, and I don’t think I would have a problem with that to be honest. As good as Lawson may be he’s still a rook, and you know how Karl feels about rooks. It’s crazy becuase I actually love AC as a backup PG, the only problem, like I have said since the dawn of time it seems like, is Karl uses AC about as improperly as you could ever imagine. He puts him on Kobe friggin Byrant for Christ’s sake. That’s inexcusable, and we can’t afford that anymore. So, once again, it’s Bobby over AC.

Could we use the rest of our MLE on him though?

by GoldenNugget on Jul 23, 2009 7:48 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes

There is $2.1 mil remaining of MLE. The plan was to use it for a 2 year deal on Frye but he chose Phoenix instead. Pretty sure we traded for Allen in response to not getting Frye so I don’t even know if we are planning to use this money. I would guess not considering the free agents available right now.

But I think a one year deal at the vet minimum ($1.3 mil) would do the trick for B-jax. Sacramento picked up a few young PGs and it’s unlikely they would bring him back. Plus he is 36. It’s possible he could get more $$$, but I don’t think any team is going to risk a multi-year deal. The best situation for him would be to sign with a good team for a year and take a shot at a chip.

by runningdonut on Jul 24, 2009 12:45 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coby Karl is the PG3

Get it through your heads.

by RyuSyndicate on Jul 24, 2009 12:11 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I’m thinking he’ll be the cheapest, plus the coach loves him (get it?). I think if we were gonna sign AC it would have happened already.

by sleepydog on Jul 28, 2009 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

do we necessarily need a 3rd pg?

by bodmiesta on Jul 24, 2009 4:59 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Luther Head

hes a rly good 3 point shooter, younger, and by halfway through the year ty will prob take all his minutes

by hvino on Jul 27, 2009 12:29 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Isn't Head a SG?

I don’t see anything in the stats comparo that would tell me that Bobby Jackson would be any better than AC overall…. except the stat that’s not kept which would be “errant fast break passing related turnovers”. The terrible jumper is adequately documented in the FG% stat though…. LOL.

Once you get down to the $ though, BJax is gonna be nearly impossible anyway. I like the dude but what little star he was, has faded.

by stiffy on Jul 28, 2009 2:33 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Gabe Pruitt

He was just waived by the Boston Celtics, I don’t see why we can’t sign him as a 3rd point guard/shooting guard. He seemed to have that role on the Celtics, he has decent size for a PG, and not too shabby (height wise) for a SG, he was pretty good at USC, maybe he can still be of some use to us.

by bodmiesta on Jul 31, 2009 9:29 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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