Western Conference Finals rematch? Perhaps not ...
As soon as the Nuggets lost the Western Conference Finals, talk began of what Denver needed to do to get back to the WCFs to face the Los Angeles Lakers. After listening to an interesting podcast and looking over the numbers myself ... I'm not so sure the Lakers are a guarantee to make it as far again next season.
Let's examine the Lakers landscape and see how their salary cap issues may benefit the Nuggets in a variet of ways.
(Yes, I'm a paint professional ... (AP Photo/Mark J. Terrill) and doctored by yours truly.) But, you have to agree that Brown would look good in a Nuggets uniform ...
The Lakers are in a very similar spot to the Nuggets entering next season. L.A. will no doubt be paying the luxury tax next season along with the Nuggets, but how far into the luxury tax will Jerry Buss allow the Lakers to go?
For the upcoming 2009-10 season the NBA salary cap is estimated to be between $69-$71 million and the Lakers team salary situation looks like this:
- L.A. has 7 players under guaranteed contracts combining for roughly $51.04 million:
- Pau Gasol ... $16.45 million
- Andrew Bynum ... $12.52
- Adam Morrison ... $5.25 million (imagine making $5 million with courtside bench tickets to 82 games ... what a job!)
- Derek Fisher ... $5.04 million
- Sasha Vujacic ... $5 million
- Luke Walton ... $4.84 million
- Jordan Farmar ... $1.94 million
- Kobe Bryant has a player option for $23.03 million. (Some people in the media have begun to speculate that Kobe would opt out of his contract if the Lakers don't take home the title this season, but there isn't a team out there that can match the money he's scheduled to make next year and I highly-highly doubt Kobe would opt out.)
So right there, the Lakers will owe roughly $74.07 million to 8 players and be well into the luxury tax and that's before we begun to discuss their free agents.
- Los Angeles has a $736,420 team option on 6'9'' 23 year-old Sun Yue (listed as a shooting guard and typically dressed in a suit behind the Lakers bench.)
Los Angeles Free Agents:
In order for the Lakers to compete for the title again next season they must secure two key free agents: Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza (we all know how important each player was in the WCFs.) L.A. owns the "Bird Rights" to each player and that means they can re-sign each guy to any dollar amount, but it doesn't save them from the luxury tax.
Lamar Odom made $11.4 million this season. He has stated that he wants to be back in Los Angeles and wants to play for a city near the beach. It's believed that he'll give the Lakers a discount, but honestly how much of a pay cut will he be willing to take knowing that he's L.A.'s second or third best player?
Trevor Ariza played for a very reasonable salary of $2.91 million this season and he'll just be turning 24 years-old at the end of this month (June 30th). Ariza is due for a pretty big raise as his game began to flourish in the playoffs for Los Angeles.
L.A.'s two other free agents: Shannon Brown and D.J. Mbenga.
Mbenga made $854,957 this season and is a decent third or fourth center off the bench. D.J. will be entering his 6th NBA season and his minimum salary scale will be $1.03 million if he inks the popular veterans minimum next year.
Shannon Brown made $797,581 this season and should be scheduled for a bit of a raise. The kid has a ton of athleticism and has shown some flashes of putting together a legitimate NBA game. After averaging 9.9 minutes during the regular season, Brown has been leaned on just a bit more in the playoffs.
- vs. Utah: 17.4 minutes per game, 7.2 points on 50% shooting.
- vs. Houston: 14.9 mpg, 6 ppg on 48% shooting.
- vs. Denver: 11.5 mpg, 4.2 ppg on 34% shooting.
- vs. Orlando: 2 games ... 14 total minutes and 0-2 from the field.
Brown's numbers have dipped as the playoffs have worn on, but perhaps it's because his minutes have dipped. If the Lakers and Phil Jackson are committed to this kid I think he'd be getting some more burn. And with Fisher and Farmar under contract next season, Brown could be the odd man out.
So, the Lakers have some major decisions to make in the offseason, as do the Nuggets. L.A. will be paying the luxury tax next year unless they can come up with some ridiculous salary dump trades a la Marcus Camby to the Clippers that Denver pulled off. But remember, every team must have a minimum of 14 players under contract, according to the current Collective Bargaining Agreement with the NBA Player's Association as specified here.
The Nuggets are not alone in their quandary of trying to solve the NBA's salary cap while also trying to compete for a title.
Let's just assume for a minute that L.A. is able to resign both Ariza and Odom. I would say Ariza is somewhat of a Raja Bell-esque player. He can knock down the three, defend pretty well, and is not expected to carry the load on offense. Ariza is younger and more athletic than Bell and should command a bit more than the $5.2 million Bell is scheduled to make next season. Let's say L.A. inks him to a $6 million per year deal.
As for Odom. He's sort of in the Boris Diaw and Josh Smith player category. Tall, athletic, can play inside-and-outside, but he comes off the bench for L.A. Diaw makes $9 million next year and Smith is scheduled to make $10.8 million. Odom is better than Diaw and is arguably better than Smith. To stay with L.A. Odom would probably have to take less money than the $11.4 million he made last season, but there is no reason for him to do so in today's NBA landscape. And if Odom does take a paycut to remain a Laker that'll mean making less money than Bryant, Gasol, and Bynum (which he did this season.) But from Odom's standpoint he's proved to be more valuable than Bynum and just as important as Gasol so why should he make less than them?
Let's just assume that Odom is true to his word and signs a deal to remain in L.A. with a salary starting in the $8 million range. That'll mean L.A. would have 10 players under contract with Ariza and Odom back in the fold and a total team salary of roughly $88.04 million with 4 roster spots still to fill. Again let's assume that L.A. inks 4 players to roughly $1 million deals ... that'll push their 14 player payroll to roughly $92.04 million for the 2009-10 season.
Let's assume the league salary cap comes in at $70 million ... that means L.A. will be $22.04 million over the cap and will owe $44.08 million in NBA luxury tax. There is just no conceivable way I see L.A. being able to fork out that kind of cash ... especially if they do end up winning the title (why pay so much when you already won the whole thing?)
I wrote this so that Nuggets fans don't feel so alone with the sticky salary cap situation facing the team this offseason. The Nuggets have their entire core coming back and face questions about which bench players should be retained and which should be shown the door. It could be worse ... just look at the Lakers offseason questions.
via lakers.freedomblogging.com
Post Script: I also wrote this in the hopes of Denver signing one of my most coveted young point guards (Shannon Brown). I've been a fan of Brown's since his days at Michigan State and I think his style of play would be great for the Nuggets. We've all been discussing who the Nuggets should bring in to be the heir-apparent for Chauncey Billups and you can throw my vote in Shannon Brown's pot.
Just like Billups to start his career, Brown, in his 3rd NBA season, has bounced around the league with stops in Cleveland, Chicago, Charlotte, and Los Angeles. Just like Billups ... Brown is starting to show signs of an NBA life with his fourth team, (the Lakers) for Billups that fourth team was with the Timberwolves. The key with Billups was that fifth team ... (I'm not counting the Magic because Billups never played a game with them) the Detroit Pistons. The Nuggets have a shot to be Brown's fifth team and allow Denver to be his Detroit.
(all NBA salary information from Hoopshype.com)
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He's perfect
I believe LA is going to hang onto Lamar and Ariza and Shannon would be the most likely to go. Denver is going to spend a good part of it’s mid level money on Birdman, but should have around $2 million to pursue Brown. HI believe he’s restricted too which makes sign-and-trade with the Lakers another possibility as I think they inherited his Bird rights (?)
He has the ideal skillset to back up Chauncey. Should be Denver’s #1 point guard to go after.
by runningdonut on Jun 11, 2009 1:47 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
listening to all the bs here in SD/LA
Talk is Kobe is gonna opt out regardless and get his final deal about 5 years at 30 mill per. Then the interesting question is LA going to sign both Odom and Ariza. I think they let Odom walk. Ariza is young a long, he has some good upside. There has not been much talk of what they want to do with Brown. They have Farmar and Brown. I am hoping they let Brown walk. LA will not go overboard on the Luxury tax. Buss is smart and wants to win, bit he wont be willing to pay NY type of a Luxury tax. Especially with Phil making 12M a year to coach.
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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jun 11, 2009 2:23 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping somebody would mention Phil's $12 million per season deal ...
The Kobe opting out and getting $30 million per seems pretty outlandish to me.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 11, 2009 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just saying I can't imagine the Lakers wanting to do that ...
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 11, 2009 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think
It has more to do with Kobe has the lakers where he wants them especially when they close out the Magic. This LA team is not that great of a team. I still think Boston when healthy is a better squad that whats in LA. If Howard had any post moves or offensive skills Orlando could be killing LA.
Most players when get a chance to opt out do. (AI was a rare exception) Seeing how Kobe can make way more loot by opting out and staying in LA
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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jun 12, 2009 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
$30,000,000 a year?!
He’s already going to be the highest paid player in the league next season by quite a margin if he doesn’t opt. out; I honestly cannot see him getting this deal.
Back to the original topic, the Lakers will definitely re-sign both Odom and Ariza. I feel that Buss isn’t very concerned about spending money, so long as the product he puts out there on the court is winning. Win or lose, I see the same Laker squad returning to the court come October 2009.
What I think has really screwed the Lakers is the amount they had to pay Bynum. The guy is basically a walking foul, is completely full of himself, and doesn’t really put up numbers that command the amount of money he is receiving. It’s a shame that since the ’90’s have ended, the “Big Man” has pretty much become extinct, and players like Bynum, who would maybe get the MLE back then, can command a $13 Mil/year contract.
by NuggetsFan99 on Jun 11, 2009 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some would argue that KMart plays the Bynum role for Denver. Fat contract ... lack of production ...
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 11, 2009 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, outside of New York, nobody else is going to pay Kobe what he makes in LA
And I can’t see Kobe going to a team not in a major market like NY, LA, or Chicago.
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by Broncoman on Jun 11, 2009 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
Shaq is making 30 mill per right now. The thing is LA doesnt want to pay into the luxury tax more than they have to. Odom is gonna want a max deal if he stays and he is too inconsistent for that type of money. Dont be fooled into thinking that Kobe is loyal to the Lakers. remember before this current deal he has, he leveraged the Clippers against the Lakers and basically told Buss to choose between him and Shaq. Kobe is a douche, plain and simple. He is going to get last deal and he wants more loot than Shaq. This fued between Kobe and Shaq will never end.
LA will keep Ariza and try and keep Brown. If odom can make the right deal for LA he could stay but from everything being said out here its about money. Buss lost money 4 of the past 5 season with LA, so it all comes down to dollars and cents
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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jun 12, 2009 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
my bad he is at 20 million
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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jun 12, 2009 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to correct you...
Shaq wasn’t even the highest paid player with the last name “O’Neal” this past season.
by NuggetsFan99 on Jun 12, 2009 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya i caught that after i said it
I still think Kobe is gonna command 30 million or there abouts
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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jun 12, 2009 6:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it even possible to make $30 million?
Damn
by runningdonut on Jun 11, 2009 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
GOAT...
Jordan did it for during his last two seasons with the Bulls, but I don’t think it can happen now.
by NuggetsFan99 on Jun 11, 2009 2:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I really like Shannon
I just have a bad feeling LA will keep him. The Lakers make more money than any NBA franchise. In reality, they could trade Farmar and sign Shannon. It really would not be too much a stretch for them.
Still, they let Turiaf get away last year. But I feel he is overpaid. I’m holding out hope for Shannon in Denver
by runningdonut on Jun 11, 2009 2:56 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
It would be odd for the Lakers to keep both Farmar & Brown, they’re different types of PGs, but both are still very effective. I wouldn’t be surprised if one of them, mainly Famar, were to be traded after Brown is re-signed by them.
I’m a huge Turiaf fan, but he was definitely overpaid by the Warriors this past summer.
by NuggetsFan99 on Jun 11, 2009 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless the Lakers have some major trade plans in the works this summer ... they'll be hard pressed to come back with the same team.
I could see Buss paying well into the luxury tax if the Lakers lose the title in Game 7 … thinking that they are that close to another championship.
But if the Lakers win the title this season, I just don’t see how it makes sense to pay well into the luxury tax once again.
I think L.A. needs to make a decision on Odom or Bynum. It’s a luxury to have both guys and they’ll probably continue to have them both, but that’s a lot of money to fork out.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 11, 2009 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Lakers win a title
Lamar Odom and the Lakers would probably agree to part ways. I mean it’s pretty obvious he would have to take a substantial pay cut to stay with LA. Like you said him and Bynum are kind of a luxury, and they want to get their money’s worth out of Bynum. Lamar could get more money elsewhere, but he wants the beach. Anything could happen, I guess.
by runningdonut on Jun 11, 2009 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
Plus they just resigned Bynum before the season started
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by broncfanstuckinsd on Jun 12, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lakers owe roughly $20.03 million to Fisher, Sasha, Walton, and Morrison next year ...
That’s a lot of dough for those guys’ production.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 11, 2009 4:38 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but...
You have to realize a couple of things. When Walton was signed to his deal, he was the Lakers starting SF and averaging a nice 11.4 ppg with decent FG% and 3PT FG%. Since then, he’s suffered through some rough injuries, hampering his feel for his shot. But Walton also brings high basketball IQ (a premium on every player that plays in LA), and great passing skills. Walton is the Lakers current Rick Fox, and is likely to go nowhere, even with his contract, till his skills have completely left him (in another 2-4 years).
Fisher is a Laker for life, or until he decides to retire. As for Sasha and Morrison, I fully expect both to be traded. Vujacic has reverted to his career shooting percentages after a torrid run last season. Morrison, while not expected to provide anything at all this season, has been even worse than the Lakers staff thought he was when they traded for him. Lack of expectations on him hasn’t improved his work ethic, attitude, or ability.
by tandur on Jun 14, 2009 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I realize Walton was a pretty decent role player for awhile and still provides some quality time on the floor. Same goes for the clutch Derek Fisher.
I’d love to see a team take Sasha or Morrison at their current salaries. Don’t think it happens unless they are throw in guys on a larger deal.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 15, 2009 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see them resigning Odom
The enigma will likely be playing for the Clippers or maybe back at the Heat, I can’t see the Lakers forking over that dough for him. That being said, I would love to see Odom or preferably Ariza in a Nuggets uni next season, but I doubt either would come over for what we can pay them. But I agree with the analysis, the Lakers will likely be screwed, I could foresee them dumping Ariza and Odom and then having Shaq sign a sweatheart deal. Ariza will likely end up with someone with some salary space.
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by Broncoman on Jun 11, 2009 4:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The Diesel is still under contract with the Suns for $20 million ...
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 12, 2009 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
one problem
This was said on this article:
But from Odom’s standpoint he’s proved to be more valuable than Bynum and just as important as Gasol
Odom is NOT as important as Gasol. Odom does not bring a proven consistent 2nd scorer, nor the consistent rebounding, nor the ability to guard centers, much less power forwards.
Odom has a nice skill set, but he knows his worth, and where he wants to play. If he’s not going to start, he wants to play for a championship. Three things for Denver make him going there unlikely.
1. Denver doesn’t have the cap space to sign him outright. Therefor, they need the Lakers to cooperate in a sign & trade, and the Nuggets have nothing the Lakers want. (Remember, high IQ players is the main concern in LA…. don’t see anybody in Denver outside of Billups in that regard.)
2. Odom wants to live near the beach (remember, his entire career has been spent in LA and Miami).
3. Odom won’t sit behind Kenyon Martin, a player he considers himself vastly superior to.
by tandur on Jun 14, 2009 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
When pointing out that Odom is "just as important as Gasol"
I was probably a little bit off, but at the same time, when Odom plays to his ability like many Lakers pundits point out … he makes L.A. nearly impossible to beat.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 15, 2009 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
kobe ...
he’s all about winning. he’s the money, he’s got the endorsement, the man wants championships. if he can win a championship in LA, he’ll stay in LA and not get the raise so that he can get important role guys back.
by ATLakers on Jun 12, 2009 11:47 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Odom
I can see Lamar leaving the Lakers to go sign a max contract, after he wins a title. Boozer thinks he is worth that, but Lamar is way better and more likely to get it. Regardless, the Nuggets are not in a position to add salary right now, especially like that. We are still recovering from the shock of the dysfunctional, overpaid 2008 disaster. It sucks that we still have to keep Birdman which puts us over the luxury tax without even close to a full roster.
Even with the way this year went, I wouldn’t be surprised to see another Camby type of trade, in a cost cutting effort. But to think the Nuggets could be aggressive in free agency, or even possibly land the best free agent available, is highly unlikely. Good news is, if LA gives Odom a huge deal we have a much better chance of getting Shannon Brown
by runningdonut on Jun 14, 2009 4:08 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That's the only point I was really trying to make.
I don’t want to see Denver in Lamar Odom at all. Would like to see L.A. hand out some big bucks to retain Odom and Ariza and allow Denver a very small window to sign Brown.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 15, 2009 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

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