George, don't be like Mike... (Nuggets/Kings recap)
Like former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, Nuggets head coach George Karl struggled to put wins together in December when the chips were down.
Towards the end of his iron-fisted rule over the Broncos, Mike Shanahan's biggest flaw (other than having no business being the franchise's general manager in addition to head coach) was his inability to win games in December when the injuries started piling up and the games meant the most. Shanahan always had excuses, often citing injuries, weather, whatever he could grasp onto. But the bottom line was that the Broncos lost games in December that cost them their last three seasons before this one.
Most unfortunately, Shanahan's successor Josh McDaniels appears to be afflicted with the same disorder as his predecessor, and I fear the inability-to-win-in-December disease has found its way over to our beloved Nuggets and head coach George Karl, as well. Beset by a few injuries and some back-to-back games, Karl's Nuggets have now lost seven of their last 11 games, including tonight's sorry loss at Sacramento to a team missing its best player.
Luckily for Karl and us fans, unlike football the NBA season continues well beyond December and the Nuggets don't have to play again this month.
But how did we get here?
One month ago on November 29th, the Nuggets were embarrassingly defeated at home to the NBA's second-worst team; the Minnesota Timberwolves. After that game, some suggested it was a symptom of worse things to come. Others proposed that the game was the wake up call the Nuggets needed to take playing basketball seriously again. I said only time would tell.
Well, a month has passed and after reeling off four impressive wins to rebound from that Minnesota debacle, the Nuggets - it bears repeating - have dropped seven of 11 games. Worse, the Nuggets have done so while exhibiting a lack of spirit, focus and respect for the game of basketball. And frankly, five of those seven wins aren't all that impressive considering that they were home games in which the opponent was on the second of a back-to-back. In other words, the Nuggets won most of the games they were supposed to win while blowing a few more that they should have won (again, like tonight at Sacramento).
And yes, Kenyon Martin missed a pair of games during that stretch and Chauncey Billups has now missed all or part of the last five outings. But while the Nuggets have made excuses, their Western Conference rivals - many of whom are just as banged up if not worse - have either leapfrogged ahead of them or have almost tied them in the conference standings. (If you want to revisit my column where I pointed out how other teams have overcome their injury woes, it's right here.)
Last I checked, a team comprised of Carmelo Anthony, Kenyon Martin, Nene, Ty Lawson, J.R. Smith, Arron Afflalo and Chris Andersen should be able to beat an inexperienced, sub-.500 team sans its best player (in tonight's case, that would be Tyreke Evans, who never touched the floor with his warmups off). Even on the second of a back-to-back.
But time has told us that this season's edition of the Nuggets are a loose - at best - resemblance of last season's Cinderella squad. This team needs a shot in the arm and it needs to come from management in the form of a (meaningful) trade, a better game plan from Karl - injuries or not - and a more serious, dedicated effort from the players themselves.
Starting with Karl, again tonight he inexplicably played Afflalo - who's a contributor from my vantage point - early only and didn't reinsert the two-guard late into the game. We saw this with how Karl rotated Dahntay Jones last season when I produced my "starting pitcher" analogy (i.e. Karl treats his starting two-guard like a starting pitcher; once he's out, he's out for good). If J.R. continues to struggle (and we'll get to him shortly), I have to believe that a down-the-stretch backcourt of Lawson/Billups and Afflalo is preferable to a Lawson/Billups and Anthony Carter back court. Am I missing something here? Furthermore, I don't see why Renaldo Balkman and/or Joey Graham aren't getting any small forward minutes early when Melo gets himself into foul trouble. On the second of a back-to-back, Karl played just eight guys tonight and those eight players were visibly exhausted towards the end.
Meanwhile Melo, our former MVP candidate, has to stay out of foul trouble and instead get the other team in foul trouble by taking the ball to the rack early. Especially when Billups is out and his coach is keeping the lineup tight. Melo had seven free throw attempts tonight, but only three from shot attempts (versus team penalty fouls). The Nuggets poor record sans Billups has just proven to everyone - me included - that the Melo MVP talk was foolish and very premature.
J.R., most unfortunately, has reverted. He's an erratic mess. Check out his shooting stats in his last ten games: 1-9 (tonight), 3-12, 9-23, 15-25, 2-12, 11-17, 9-14, 5-14, 0-8, 5-16. How can you count on a guy that shoots like that?
J.R. is also part of a larger problem: the inconsistency of the Nuggets bench. Just like J.R. still shows flashes of brilliance, so does Birdman, who has had five plus-ten rebounding games in December. He's also had sub-six rebounding games an alarming eight times, including tonight's paltry two-rebound effort. Was Andersen even on the floor? I was about to start a trade-Birdman-for-Brockman petition by game's end.
And speaking of trades, management needs to get creative and either a) bring in another body (preferably a big) from one of the NBA's "have not" teams, b) explain to Karl that he's allowed to play more than eight guys per game or, c) do both.
Management, Karl and the Nuggets players have an entire week to figure out what's gone wrong here, get healthy, stop making excuses and get back to playing spirited Nuggets basketball. Their next game is another tough one: at Utah on a Saturday night. I say, good, the Nuggets need to keep getting tested and start passing them.
Good riddance to a shoddy month of basketball. Hopefully Karl and the Nuggets can shake off the Denver sports December curse and deliver a January of respectable basketball we can be proud of.
Stiffs of the Night
-The Nuggets Bench: We just witnessed one of the more pathetic performances from the Nuggets bench in some time. 1-9 shooting from J.R. Smith to go along with four untimely, careless turnovers, six (mostly stupid) fouls and a technical foul. A mere two (two?!) rebounds from the Birdman in 20 minutes of playing time. Come on. A.C.'s 2-6 shooting, five rebounds, three assists night put both J.R. and Birdman to shame.
Non-Stiffs of the Night
-Andres Nocioni: The always feisty Nocioni stepped up big time in Evans' absence, played tough defense on Melo and racked up 21 points on 6-7 shooting (4-5 from three) to boot. I'm dying to know what he whispered in Nene's ear as Nene went to the free throw line around the five minute mark in the fourth quarter, leaving Nene with a "I can't believe he just said that" smirk on his face. It must have been a South America thing.
-Jon Brockman: The aforementioned Brockman was better than advertised as he punished the Nuggets with 10 rebounds and five hard fouls in just 16-and-a-half minutes off the bench. Even though he's on the opposing team, I officially love this guy. (And you had to love Altitude's Scott Hastings quote on Brockman during the telecast, saying: "He's really 6'6", but in a 6'9" guy's body." Huh?!)
-Carmelo Anthony and Nene: It's tough to play two-on-five, but that's essentially what Melo and Nene did on the offensive side of the floor tonight. If one good thing can be taken from tonight's loss, pick-and-rolling with Nene works. Duh.
Opposition's Take: Sactown Royalty
Photo courtesy of AP Photos: Robert Durrell
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Wow Andrew
I thought you were better than that. As I said in the game-thread after it was over, if we hadn’t lost the last two games prior to this one this game wouldve been a “tough loss” but instead, it’s time to throw in the towel and think the worst. 20-12? Really? Nuggets fans are upset about a team that is 20-12? I never thought I’d see the day…thing is, tonites game? They played hard. They missed freethrows, but I watched a team trying to win…
by SternfluffsKobe on Dec 28, 2009 11:43 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I'm looking at the bigger picture...
I agree that the Nuggets played hard tonight and a ton of missed free throws was part of what did them in. But 7 losses in 11 games is what I’m more concerned about. I rarely get worked up over one game (unless it’s something totally unacceptable like the Minnesota loss), but do sound the alarm bells when I see trends going in the wrong direction.
Perhaps I should have said this in my article, but I’m confident that the Nuggets can right the ship in January. I’ll stand by what I said, though: December was a shoddy month of basketball.
Andrew Feinstein | DenverStiffs.com | denverstiffs@gmail.com
by Andrew Feinstein on Dec 28, 2009 11:51 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah
You might wanna say something like that soon because people on this site are freaking out. You HAVE to start talking about this whole move to change the name back to “fireGeorgeKarl.com”…it’s getting bad man. AND I’m pretty sure you’re the one that they wanna hear from…
I think it’s on the court, but a lot of people think it’s Karl…
We want your opinion…
by SternfluffsKobe on Dec 29, 2009 12:01 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
It's like this
20-12 means they’re on pace to finish about 51-31. That would be 3 less wins than last year. And the schedule gets tougher from here.
Instead of building on last season’s success, and pushing for a 60-win season and a 2 seed (those were reasonable things to hope for at the beginning), they’re regressing.
That’s why so many of us are upset. If they were going to be building on what they accomplished last season, they’d be about 25-7 or 26-6 right now, and playing with consistent effort, especially on defense.
51-31 and a lower-than-2 seed will be a disappointment for me this year. Will that really be good enough for you? Is that all you were expecting or hoping for when the season started?
by ParkHillNative on Dec 29, 2009 12:15 AM MST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
sooooooo
we should fire george karl or……? I think with a team like ours getting a lower seed isnt going to turn out like the past….do you really think that playing the hornets in a 7 game series is a bad thing? Also, by your logic we should be gunning for the number one seed which means winning 65 or more games. I mean thats the improvement, right? over last year?
by SternfluffsKobe on Dec 29, 2009 12:19 AM MST up reply actions
you're complaining about 51-21???
seriously? 3 games off of last year? 3 games? and that means we’re gonna go out in the first round round? geez. somebody tell the spurs that…
by SternfluffsKobe on Dec 29, 2009 12:26 AM MST up reply actions
Firing George Karl is NOT the answer...
You want my opinion? You just got it.
Remember what I’ve said repeatedly since changing this site’s name to Denver Stiffs long before I ever met George Karl: success has a thousand fathers, and failure is an orphan. While I had some valid points in arguing for Karl’s dismissal in 2008 (notably the multiple playoff losses prior to 2009), time has shown us that the Nuggets past struggles weren’t exclusively of Karl’s making. To say so now would be disingenuous. Karl has contributed greatly to the Nuggets recent success and deserves credit for it. How many more times do I need to say that?
Moreover, a 51-31 record is nothing to snub your nose at. In fact, should the Nuggets finish 51-31 that would be three straight 50-win seasons. Last I checked, that’s never happened in Nuggets history. And lest we forget that because of the schedule, I predicted the Nuggets to finish closer to 50 wins than 54 anyway. I even compared this season to the 1985-86 Nuggets, predicting a nominal – and perhaps inevitable – letdown.
The real problem here – I suspect – is that we were teased early. We were teased by a team that appeared to be in the 55-57 win range, but could very well end up in the 50-52 range. This is no way excuses poor play and in theory, the Nuggets should have capitalized on their early season success and stayed toe-to-toe with the Lakers rather than slip back to the middle of the pack. But that just didn’t happen, and now we need to work on solutions/suggestions for the future to right the ship.
One more note that I hope EVERYONE reads: I remember pushing the panic button last season when the Nuggets got passed over by Utah, only to see Utah implode and the Nuggets march to the conference finals confidently. So let’s not freak out and try to get anyone fired/traded right now. Rather, we should be tough but fair critics and continue to demand an earnest effort on the floor. And I think it’s fair to say that for much of December, we didn’t get an earnest effort on the floor.
Andrew Feinstein | DenverStiffs.com | denverstiffs@gmail.com
by Andrew Feinstein on Dec 29, 2009 12:34 AM MST up reply actions
Nuggets history is a curse
It lowers our expectaions for this team in a way that is unacceptable. Live in the now. What if the Mavs organization put on that same “we’re completely satisfied with just making the playoffs” mindset that we have? Would they have then gone on to be one of the top 5 franchises of the past decade? Hell no!!!! They didn’t let history determine their future, as they went on to consistantly improve year after year.
by GoldenNugget on Dec 29, 2009 12:57 AM MST up reply actions
wha?!!!
we’re 32 games in man…..let em play…
by SternfluffsKobe on Dec 29, 2009 12:59 AM MST up reply actions
I know
It’s pretty frustrating watching these types of games though.
by GoldenNugget on Dec 29, 2009 1:03 AM MST up reply actions
This is a very good point...
I’m the first to admit that I’m "colored" by the Nuggets past. So much to the point that a 50-win season and a playoff series win often feels acceptable to me, to a fault I suppose. I still remember all too well when Bernie Bickerstaff and then Dan Issel ran this franchise into the ground.
That said, having gotten to know members of Nuggets management (and yes, our coach) I know that they’re competent, work incredibly hard and do so under a difficult financial situation they’re forced into as a small market team. Keep in mind that the Nuggets are reeling off 50-win seasons while the Lakers earn at least 5x as much money as we do revenue-wise, meaning every decision the Nuggets make from the top-down has to be right/shrewd. Considering we’re a small market franchise, we’re not that far behind the Spurs…sans the championships, of course.
But GoldenNugget is right. History can be a curse. And just because we’ve never been to the Finals before, doesn’t mean we should be satisfied not getting there in the future.
Andrew Feinstein | DenverStiffs.com | denverstiffs@gmail.com
by Andrew Feinstein on Dec 29, 2009 1:11 AM MST up reply actions
And on to the next point
If the Finals are truly a goal of this team, then we have to fire George at some point because we know he can’t bring us a title…right?
by GoldenNugget on Dec 29, 2009 2:29 AM MST up reply actions
Denver’s a medium market in the realm of iPods, 3G phones, Wii and xboxes; but it is a small market for NBA basketball.
"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!" ...Homer Simpson
Well
Denver (Metro) is bigger than Portland, Sacramento, Milwaukee, Memphis, OKC, Charlotte and Indianapolis just to name a few. I think that puts Denver in the middle.
I get your passion
Just go read ParkHillNative’s reply up top. We all have different ways about expressing our fandom. When I, personally meaning just me, criticize George Karl, it’s not all about record. It’s about playing the right way, winning with our best guys and building a winning team concept.
Your expectations are lower than some. That’s fine but calling someone out for “complaining” too much is disingenuous.
by runningdonut on Dec 29, 2009 12:48 AM MST up reply actions
But what happens when you look at last year
when we had more than one 4-7 game losing streaks? just give these guys a chance….
by SternfluffsKobe on Dec 29, 2009 12:54 AM MST up reply actions
I just need someone to tell me
how not calling timeouts, playing AC and not putting back AA ang Lawesome when theyre playing well is something we shouldn’t be worried about???
Correct me if I'm wrong, but after Chauncey came, I don't think we lost more than 3 games in a row last season.
Stop getting worked up over the outcome of something you can't control.
~Anonymous
by billybobjoe22 on Dec 29, 2009 9:52 AM MST up reply actions
Lol
If only we were a fraction of a resemblance to the Spurs. The difference: 4 titles in the past decade to 0 for us, and not even a Finals appearance at that.
by GoldenNugget on Dec 29, 2009 1:02 AM MST up reply actions
Well, yeah, but
If Tim Duncan had never been born, or if some other team had landed him in the draft, I suspect the Spurs would still have as many titles as the Nuggets.
by ParkHillNative on Dec 29, 2009 8:20 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
You could argue we have as much talent as the Spurs did when they won their titles
by GoldenNugget on Dec 29, 2009 12:40 PM MST up reply actions
Sure
But this relates to a recent fanpost discussion about Small Forwards & how much respect they get/deserve. Our best player is our SF. The Spurs were built around Duncan, a player who I’ve never liked, but I’ll begrudgingly admit that he’s one of the most dominant C/PFs in recent memory.
If I had the task of building a championship team and was given the choice of building it around a young Tim Duncan or a young Melo, I’d go with Duncan in a heartbeat. No question about it.
by ParkHillNative on Dec 29, 2009 12:55 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Derrrr
Of course you would. I’m just saying all in all we have a chit load of talent on this team, maybe as much as the Spurs did when they won their titles. Maybe not though, idk.
by GoldenNugget on Dec 29, 2009 1:43 PM MST up reply actions
I never said that
Just for the record. But I too would like to hear Andrews opinion on what kind of a job Karl is doing right now WITHOUT CHAUNCEY! I know we had, what most people seem to think was an orgasmic year last year, but can you really change your position on Karl THAT much in one year? Especially considering what we know about Chauncey catalyzing the whole thing and basically saving Karl’s job? I don’t want to push you to talk about something you don’t want to though. I think we basically have it figured out. Without Chauncey we are the old Nuggets who got that 4-16 playoff record, with him we are the ones with the 10-8 playoff record.
by GoldenNugget on Dec 29, 2009 12:30 AM MST up reply actions
Good Point
Andrew, do you honestly think that Coach Karl deserves credit for the success of last year;s Nuggets? Not Chauncey?! Clearly, if the Nuggets were better coached then they wouldn’t be doing THIS badly when Chauncey or K-Mart sit out. I guarantee you that if (God forbid) Chauncey sat out the rest of the season, then the Nuggets would not make the playoffs. On the other hand, if George Karl got fired and Adrian Dantley took over the coaching duties, then that would have no negative effect on the Nuggets. Either no effect or a positive effect. I just think it’s time for change. The reason the Nuggets did so good in the first season under Karl is because they were ready for a change in game style. They are once again ready to change it up.
You are just protecting Karl because he bribed you with free dinners and entrance to the Nuggets locker room. Don’t let him influence you. You must not get biased. Be a true journalist, man. Said what needs to be said. Karl Must be fired!
win win scenario
chauncey billups would be the last person to take the credit for last season’s success. there were many people that had a major role last season including billups AND george karl. andrew is not protecting anybody especially over lunch and getting to go into the VISITORS LOCKER ROOM IN MILWAUKEE. it is easier to jump to conclusions then to dig for the facts. being critical and ripping a person anonymously over the internet is one thing. sitting down face to face, looking somebody in the eye, man to man and asking tough questions is totally different. you truly think doing lunch changes everything? changing coaches changes everything. dantley may get the job THIS YEAR. THERE WOULD BE A CHAIN REACTION AND THE REST OF THE COACHES WOULD BE GONE AFTER THIS SEASON. extending karl would also preserve the jobs of the entire coaching staff.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
Sorry to be offensive
But the second paragraph of my argument was supposed to be a joke. Of course Karl didn’t bribe off andrew. I’m sorry if it seems like I’m attacking him. I didn’t want that
Cool It
I think we should all lay off of the personal attacks to people we haven’t even seen in real life. I really don’t think a person could permanently like someone they were against for almost a whole year just because they treat him to lunch.
Stop getting worked up over the outcome of something you can't control.
~Anonymous
by billybobjoe22 on Dec 29, 2009 9:59 AM MST up reply actions
Don't get carried away
We would still make the playoffs this year w/o Chauncey, just as Melo got us there every year before Chauncey landed here.
by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 29, 2009 10:01 AM MST up reply actions
no way in hell we could not
The reason we made the playoffs in years past was not solely because of Melo. If it were Lebron, then it owuld be a different story. However, Melo is a pure scorer. We made the playoffs in year’s past because of Melo AND andre Miller or AI. We would not make it if Chauncey sat out the whole year. We would definitely wake top 4 seed still if Chauncey played the whole year and there was a new coach. I’d really like Byron Scott to coach us.
Byron Scott is a player-friendly coach. I saw an interview where it seems like none of the Nuggets take George Karl seriously. They just see him as a bumbling old fool.
What interview? do you have a link?
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In that vid, they called Steven Hunter an NBA Star! What the hell were they thinking?
Stop getting worked up over the outcome of something you can't control.
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by billybobjoe22 on Dec 29, 2009 12:31 PM MST up reply actions
start watching at 4 minutes and 26 seconds
George Karl says this: “I take words and abuse them. I forget names. They laugh at me because I’m an old guy”
Melo: “We don’t really understand his terminology, his words. We always clown on him”
Clearly, the players don’t respect George Karl. They aren’t going to listen to someone they don’t respect.
Melo's comments don't mean they don't respect his
basketball acumen.
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Wow, that was the worst reporter I have ever seen
next to this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h59gITTa9N4 The last 5 seconds of video, the way he says reporting, wtf? Anyways, I think the most indicative line of that whole video was the way Melo sarcastically said “yes he does” after being told that Karl has an interesting personality. It was almost like he said it with some resentment in a way.
by GoldenNugget on Dec 29, 2009 1:04 PM MST up reply actions
I dunno, I didn't pick up disrespect
I think Melo and Karl come from opposite ends of the spectrum but respect each other for basketball reasons.
I’m not sure you can infer anything from an interview with blogger from fanhouse….
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
No
You don’t need a link or an interview. Just watch any team huddle during a timeout. It’s some funny stuff. Some guys are scratching, others drinking Gatorade, others not even in the huddle, and some guys are talking to each other as if the coach isn’t even there. You would think Karl would do something about that if he cared. Only one’s anyone even listens to is Melo or Chauncey.
Stop getting worked up over the outcome of something you can't control.
~Anonymous
by billybobjoe22 on Dec 29, 2009 12:28 PM MST up reply actions
Exactly!
Balkman is fascinated with the architecture of basketball stadiums, especially the ceiling of the Pepsi Center. He is always looking up at the ceiling when the coach is talking.
That video is a classic right there. Everyone is a jokester on this team, but last season they proved to be elite contenders and can be the best by putting joking aside. Not sure what's happening this season.
Stop getting worked up over the outcome of something you can't control.
~Anonymous
by billybobjoe22 on Dec 29, 2009 12:39 PM MST up reply actions
Thank you
I’m glad there are other people on this blog with at least some attention to detail. I get mad at that though. This is the freakin NBA, these people should be taking their jobs seriously, and Karl doesn’t.
by GoldenNugget on Dec 29, 2009 12:46 PM MST up reply actions
I see this happen with other teams as well...
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Sometimes
But not nearly on the level it does with the Nuggets
by GoldenNugget on Dec 29, 2009 12:58 PM MST up reply actions
And do we know if these players
are being disciplined in other ways, (team fines etc) for this behavior.? Or maybe Karl just doesn’t care if Balkman doesn’t seem to be paying attention.
I don’t know the answer I’m just asking…
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
I don't know what you read
Andrew was spot on in his summary. Nothing he said was indicative of the idea that we should throw in the towel. He’s just saying we got to get our shit together.
by GoldenNugget on Dec 29, 2009 12:17 AM MST up reply actions
what i read was
somebody doing the same thing that EVERY DENVER SPORTS FAN DOES! which is: think the worst, set yourself up for disappointment and then be surprised if it happens to go our way. its the way losers think. And the last time i checked 20-12 with (yes ANDREW) an MVP on our team makes me think that we will ultimately be ok….
by SternfluffsKobe on Dec 29, 2009 12:24 AM MST up reply actions
Doesn't make sense
Nuggets/Broncos/Avs/Rockies fans expect the best out of their teams and are angry when they don’t perform up to their potential. Your cynical, pessimistic view of Colorado fans is 100% wrong.
by CSprings_Tommy on Dec 29, 2009 8:39 AM MST up reply actions
Yes they do
And then AS SOON AS ONE THING GOES WRONG WE GO: “WELL, THATS IT! WE’LL NEVER WIN…”
this is 100% true my friend. 100%.
by SternfluffsKobe on Dec 29, 2009 11:46 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
a big problem is a collection of a bunch of little problems
free throws lost the game. another issue is the rotation on the front line. 3 players at the center and forward positions means too many minutes at one time. the foul situation is a result of the 8 player rotation and the 3 guard offense. there is nothing wrong with either tactic but it is doing it to the extreme. melo played 42 minutes and there will be fouls logging that kind of time. smith playing small forward will put him into a position where he will be playing against stronger and taller opponents. john brockman is a classic case of forcing the issue with melo and smith to get them in foul trouble. joey graham could fill the same kind of role with denver. joey not getting minutes makes it difficult to find a his niche. melo is the resident superstar. he needs to let his teammates help him. the current rut the nuggets find themselves in goes back to the hornets game. the nba was shown how to beat denver. double teaming melo disrupts the offense. the first portland game of the regular season showed melo can score at anytime. he had 19 points in the 4th quarter. he needs to pass first and rebound. trying to dribble through, around or shoot over the double team is doing things the hard way. denver is beating themselves in every conceivable way possible.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
by nohoops4u on Dec 29, 2009 12:06 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Right on
There is more than one way to skin a cat, and you should plan on needing as many as nine. The Nuggets problem is getting complacent with what they are doing believing they’ve found all the answers. We saw it at the beginning of the season, starting AC and playing a guard heavy lineup but winning. Nuggets can’t seem to figure themselves out until their opponents do it for them. I have said all along a trade will not help. Denver’s problem of beating themselves as you described it is a result of failing to embrace their deficiencies as a team and overcome them in more than one way. There is no set formula for winning. The 3 guard lineup has a time and a place but it is overused. For one player to adjust his game the team must adjust with it or the machine falls apart. The inconsistencies and poor decision making extend beyond the court to the chairs on the sidelines. We can;t approach these losses like the gameplan is foolproof and failure is predicated only on poor shooting, turnovers or foul calls. Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen but few in pursuit of a goal.
by runningdonut on Dec 29, 2009 1:28 AM MST up reply actions
Agree
Free throws were terrible. Melo shot an airball on a free-throw, then followed it up with a left-handed attempt?!
by CSprings_Tommy on Dec 29, 2009 8:41 AM MST up reply actions
man are yall even complaining?
at least your only losing to trash/mediocre teams and not to the big dogs like my Lakers have been. We look like last years Cavs with us feeding off the scrub teams and getting pasted by the elite teams. So dont bitch so much, as long as you beat the elite, who gives a shit if you lose to a scrub team every now and then. Be grateful you aint my pathetic Lakers right now.
It's not just scrub teams
We lost to the Blazers and Mavs too. But you are right, it’s better to be able to beat the elites and lose to the scrubs because then you know you can win come playoff time.
by GoldenNugget on Dec 29, 2009 1:16 AM MST up reply actions
Arron Afflalo
I’m sorry but our “system” if you want to call it that is set up to screw guys like him and Renaldo Balkman. I read in the Post where Karl called AA a utility player who needs to work for whatever he gets because the coaching staff does not factor him in the gameplan.
It’s pathetic. I wrongly called out Arron during his mega slump and watching us lose all of these tough games I have a new respect for the way he plays – with pride. There is no look of frustration or anger after a blown assignment or a bad call. It’s all in the game and I guess you just continue to work when you know you’re first off the bench and last in line to get back in when the game’s on the line.
He’s one of the only guys who gives a consistent effort when the chips are down and it seems like the game’s rigged against you. I wish I could say there were more than one Nugget who doesn’t deal with the moddswings of an NBA game like a whiny little bitch. Why doesn’t he play in the 4th quarter? Someone tell GK this a guy you can go to war with and win.
So angry
Maybe if you type hard enough you’ll get the nuggets to change the way they emotionally prepare for teams like the kings, twolves, mavs, blazers, etc…
by SternfluffsKobe on Dec 29, 2009 11:51 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
This is what I'm talking about
If you go to Koz’s blog there are postgame comments from Karl. Here is the link for this game.
I think it speaks for itself but excuses are all we ever get. I just want to see passion, maybe a sense of urgency or some kind of emotion – not even disappointment or anger but just a sense of someone who CARES that the outcome could have been different. Like I said, if George Karl has a passion for winning I don’t why he refuses to let us see it. I hope these losses cost GK his extension. The $12 million offer should be pulled immediately, it’s clear the Nugs need to re-think negotiating any offer.
And his excuses are rubbing off on the team
It’s as though they don’t put forth effort when they know they have a preset excuse (like a key injury or a road game)
by Uh on Dec 29, 2009 7:31 AM MST up reply actions
The Bar is Higher This Year
After coming off an inspirational, Western Conference Finals season last year, the bar is higher this year for the Nuggs. I personally would like to win a championship (not just win 50 games and make the playoffs) and this is the Nuggets’ championship window with this core of players. Chauncey probably has a couple of good years left, Nene has talked about retirement after this contract is up, K-mart’s last season as a Nugget is next year, Birdman is in decline, etc. The Nuggs showed last year they could play with the Lakers, and the Lakers got better this year with the addition of Artest, the return to health of Bynum, and the emergence of Gasol as a Star. NBA Championships are so difficult to achieve, particularly for a team in Denver, and this is our window. In watching this year’s team play, it is painfully obvious that this is NOT a championship team, and it is disappointing to some of us. I think this is the reason for a lot of venting on this site.
by ACEIII on Dec 29, 2009 7:22 AM MST reply actions 3 recs
Thank you
If I could rec that from my phone I would.
Here’s another thing: After 5 straight years of 1st round exits, the Nuggets finally won a couple of playoff series in spectacular fashion. I don’t believe it can possibly be a coincidence that these victories happened when they finally got homecourt advantage. And I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that they lost as soon as they got into a series where they had to open on the road.
If the Nuggets are to advance in the playoffs and contend for a finals appearance, they need homecourt for as long as possible. If only the Rockets couldve upset the Lakers in the 2nd round, I think our guys would’ve ended up with the title last season.
So 51-31 isn’t going to get the Nuggets much homecourt in the playoffs this season. 54-28 would’ve been maybe a 3 seed last year if Ginobli hadn’t been hurt. For a 2 seed, I think 60 wins is necessary this year.
by ParkHillNative on Dec 29, 2009 8:34 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Tougher Competition
During the Christmas Day game vs. the Blazers the commentators noted that the talent level in the West is better than it was even last year. Teams like Phoenix, San Antonio and Dallas obviously made moves (brought in players from the east) but look at the bottom half of the west. There’s no doubt that Oklahoma City, Sacramento, and Memphis are all improved over last season as well. What all this means is that while the Nuggets got the #2 seed last season with 54 wins, it may only take 50-53 wins to get the same #2 seed this year. This is because the teams like OKC, Sacramento, the Clippers and Memphis are also getting wins against the top half of the conference. Comparing just the number of wins season to season, is not an indication of what playoff seed the team will end up with. Granted the Nuggets do have a few problems (most of them fundamentally) but they’re still in position for high seed this year.
by NuggetsLife on Dec 29, 2009 11:12 AM MST up reply actions
Solid point
Thanks for bringing that up, that’s definitely worth taking into consideration.
by ParkHillNative on Dec 29, 2009 12:48 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
If we're headed this direction
lets make it more inspirational and come in 8th seed then roll to the Finals!
This team needs help
A 7/8 man rotation isnt going to cut it especially with AC, Afflalo and Martin averaging 3ppg, 7ppg and 10ppg. If JR has a bad game (all too often) the team struggles to score and Melo goes back to forcing it.
Melos defence is proportional to his fouls, if we have to rely on him playing 42mpg he may as well not bother playoing defence.
The Wizards aren’t contending maybe we should look at a trade for Haywood/Blatche or Jamison. Their roster is too expensive to be that bad
How about this?
Every year one of the Nuggets players really gets under my skin. Either for being overrated and underperforming, or simply underperforming. Last year it was Kleiza, the year before Camby (who was way overrated as a defensive asset). This year that player is JR Smith. He has all the talent in the world, but let’s face it, he’s a moron and will never be more than a gunner with occassional flashes of brilliance sandwiched between 5 games of horrible shots and questionable decisions. He loses as many games as he wins.
Having said that, either GK believes in him or not. If he does, start him as one of the 5 best players on the team and let’s go. If not, trade him to get a big. Life is too short to deal with players like JR. If I have to look at his dumbass, I just smoked three bowls before the game, mug one more time after another dumbass play/foul/shot.pass, I’m going to throw my TV through the window.
Since Andrew posted the K-Mart for Shaq deal a couple of weeks ago, and got lambasted…including a big no from me….I’m going to throw out the K-Mart & JR for McGrady expiring contract deal….then sign Chris Bosh in the offseason. Sounds like a step in the right direction to me. I would be sad to see K-Mart go (but not his contract) and happy to see JR gunning at a 1-9 clip for another team.
Sorry, had to vent. Feel better now.
how is someone with the moniker Pusherman going to hate on smoking 3 bowls?!
SMOKE WEED EVERYDAY!!!
by calvin brodus on Dec 29, 2009 10:20 AM MST up reply actions
Hahahaha
How appropriate that Snoop calls him out on it, hahahaha
by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 29, 2009 10:30 AM MST up reply actions
I have no problem with three bowls...
..if your on the couch at home, playing video games, drinking beers…and not paid millions to play a sport at the highest level….and definately not just before work. The man looks like he’s half in the bag every game. It is clearly not helping his skills or decision making.
I think this is a pretty silly thing to say
they drug test. He has lazy eyes…its not drugs..
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It was just a joke, kind of.
I don’t think he smokes before games, but I do think that he may, just may, have a toot every once in a while, drug test or no drug test. At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter…he’s not playing well and will never be the player we hoped that he would be.
Good write up
Analysis/breakdown of the Kings game was very good. For anyone who didn’t watch it, you get a good understanding after reading AF’s write up.
3 things I liked:
1. Nene—best game of the year, on both ends of the court. Too bad it was wasted in the loss.
2. Can’t believe I’m saying this, but AC played pretty well last night. 0 turnovers, a few good assists and played solid defense.
3. Carmelo’s effort. Played 42 minutes on the 2nd night of a back-to-back, put up 34 points, 8 rebounds. Was getting banged throughout the game, not sure if he was injured or not (left-handed free-throw). Shocking how many calls he doesn’t get. Is it because he whines/compains/talks to the officials too much? When the Nuggets play CP3 or D-Wade, those guys never (and I mean never) get calls against them. The leading scorer in the NBA should get more respect from the officials than he did last night.
3 things that blew:
1. JR Smith—must be the hardest guy to coach. Not only was his shot off, but he was turning the ball over and his defense was trrble, just trrble.
2. Coach Karl—I don’t understand sticking with the 8 man rotation on back-to-back nights. AA was struggling, JR was having arguably his worst night of the season, and Birdman was non-existent. Why not give Joey Graham (or Renaldo Balkman) a shot? This 8 man rotation cost the Nuggets late in the 4th quarter when K-Mart, Nene and Melo had nothing left in the tank and the Kings went on an 8-1 run.
3. Predictability. The Nuggets are becoming too predictable; on defense they switch on everything, leading to mismatches like Lawson guarding the opposing center and Nene out on a point guard. It is this way on EVERY opposing posession. On offense, give the ball to Melo and watch him go one-on-one. No one cuts to the basket, or trys to set a screen. Nothing. Just hope Melo uses his talent to try and score or draw a foul.
I agree on the too predictable defensive switching ...
The opposition knows if they want a mismatch just how to get it and then exploit it.
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by Nate Timmons on Dec 29, 2009 9:27 AM MST up reply actions
Predictable
Completely agree Nate. I remember last year in the playoffs, instead of switching, we charged at the guy asking for the pick (usually the point guard) and trapping him, making him either call a timeout, throw a terrible cross court pass, or give up the steal. It worked to perfection against CP3 last year in the playoffs in the fourth quarter. It also worked in games 1-4 in the Conference Finals, until we made a huge mistake and started switching everything and got ripped by Kobe and Pau. We should’ve done that to Beno Udrih cause he already had five turnovers with switch defenses. He could’ve had at least seven or eight had we trapped.
Stop getting worked up over the outcome of something you can't control.
~Anonymous
by billybobjoe22 on Dec 29, 2009 10:10 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Predictability is everywhere, not just on the defensive switching
I can watch a Nuggets game these days and tell you everything that’s going to happen before each play. I think this is probably one of the biggest problems the Nuggets have. How do you plan on beating your opponent when they know exactly what your going to do every time?
by GoldenNugget on Dec 29, 2009 1:17 PM MST up reply actions
Was it Nick Nolte in Blue Chips that said something about … It’s not what we do, it’s how we do it! I think he even offered to take his playbook over to Bobby Knight because he said it didn’t matter what they ran as long as they ran it correctly.
Not that it means anything, but I always liked that movie (although lots of folks hate it.)
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by Nate Timmons on Dec 29, 2009 1:25 PM MST up reply actions
re Melo complaining
if complaining is why he is NOT getting calls, then Kobe better not ever see a free throw line again.
Its because its Melo, and not Kobe(or LeBron or DWade or CP3) doing the whining…
Melo still gets no respect. I thought it had been changing at the beginning of the season, but I guess not. :(
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They are who we thought they were.
I find it hard to believe that those who critcized the lack of “impact moves” the Nuggets made in the off season now have expectations that this team should, none the less, be performing at the 60 win level.
I do not recall reading that anyone really believed that Aaron Afflalo, Joey Graham, Malik Allen and Johan Petro would help get us another 6-8 wins. They won’t.
This is a mid market team on a budget. And with an 8 man rotation, guys are going to get tired. Guys are going to get lazy. Guys are going to lose focus. And frankly, it is a shared responsibility; by the players, the staff and the management to find a way to maintain their focus and compete every night to win ball games.
Home court or not. 60 wins or 50 wins, we all want to see is this team compete every night. If they lose they lose, but play hard every night.
They are who we thought they were. And the road gets tougher from here. Has anyone looked at the March schedule?
It is my hope that the players, staff and management take this rest period, get refocused and find a way to bring it every night. That’s all I ask. And let the chips fall where they may.
by My3Cents on Dec 29, 2009 9:57 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
I disagree
AA, Graham, etc. CAN help us win a few more games if the 8 man rotation is expanded to keep our stars fresh for when games come down to the wire. You can argue that giving those guys minutes will hurt us in that they will allow opponents to score while we won’t have any offensive production, but I’m all for letting that be proven at this point, since these limited rotations are driving me up a wall.
GK claims that it would be hard to find minutes for someone outside the 3 man rotation at C/PF; that’s crazy talk.
by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 29, 2009 10:16 AM MST up reply actions
Right on the $
It’s like Karl acts as though the guys outside of the 8 man rotation he plays, have never played a game of basketball in their life. Grahm was a huge contributor las year in Raptorland, Balkman as we all already know is a gret defender, hustler, rebounder,etc, and why he is not playing imo is inexcusable, Petro at least saw time in OKC and is a 7ft, so why he isn’t getting a little more time is beyone me and Allen everytime I see him play he looks great. He is also another big who at least could give us some reboudning help and can shoot well too.
So it’s not really that we have lost everything we had last year in terms of bench production, it’s just that Karl is stubborn and isn’t utilizing all his assets to his advantage. His excuses are bull shit too. Balkman can’t shoot, that’s why he doesn’t play? Yeah ok, then why the hell does AC get 20 minutes per night plus? Same with Birdman and K-Mart?
by GoldenNugget on Dec 29, 2009 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
I hope I'm misinterpreting
are you attempting to draw a correlation that Balkman should have as much playing time as either KMart and Birdman?
Or that we should sit either of them in favor of Balkman?
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I don't see any reason why he shouldn't get as much time as Birdman
He does just as much as Birdman does on the court. Remember last year when he saw 25 minutes per game or so? He averaged something like 12 points, 12 boards, 2 assists, 2 steals and 2 blocks per game. Granted that was a small sample to draw averages from, but he still has proven he can change games when he gets time.
by GoldenNugget on Dec 29, 2009 1:40 PM MST up reply actions
on the right path
I think the point is that the rotation must be expanded. A team that needs a healthy and well rested billups & kmart CAN’T RELY ON AN 8 MAN ROTATION! Is the end of our bench only there to meet the minimum roster requirement? Most teams play 10 deep early in the season to see who can contribute, develop young players and keep the vets fresh for the spring. The short bench will insure more injuries, keep currently hurt players (bird, cb1) from getting healthy and ulitmately screw up our playoff hopes. How is this defensible?
by adub on Dec 29, 2009 8:34 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
March is going to be a true warrior test for the Nugs. If they play like they are now, it is going to be a long death march to the playoffs.
Stop getting worked up over the outcome of something you can't control.
~Anonymous
Thank God we can finally stop talking about “Melo for MVP.” Melo is exactly what he’s always been, SECOND RATE. Someone should also tell birdlady that he’s blocked a shot before, act like it.
Whoa!
I wouldn’t say Melo is second rate. He is a top ten player in the league and a great scorer. Reminds me a ton of Paul Pierce before The Big Ticket and R. Allen arrived.
He is not Kobe or Lebron, but I would never say he’s a second rate player.
2nd Rate??
He can score from anywhere in anyway, no one can stop him! He can shoot a long 3 and a short jumper, drive to the basket, get the fouls(assuming the refs aren’t blind)..muscle in for a dunk and is shooting 87% FT.
Other players acknowledge he can’t be stopped one on one…why do you think they double and triple team him?
I hope that helps clear up your confusion :)
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Maybe, but
Obviously he is not any sort of a leader. Without Billups the team goes to shambles. Doesn’t that say something about Carmelo? Stats are nice, but to be an elite player you have to do more
Why do you say Melo isn't a leader?
If anything he falters because when we get behind he tries to do everything. Also, this year his assists are up..
Chauncey is supposed to be the leader, he’s the PG. He’ll get there. But he is still an elite player.
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because the only time in his career when he has really been successful is when Billups came. Right now with Billups out, Denver has nobody stepping up and taking control and being a leader. That’s why they are losing games. You don’t have to be a PG to be a leader, look at Lebron, Kobe, Roy, ect.
Roy?
I knew that was coming. You can’t stick possibly stick Roy in with Kobe and Lebron. What exactly has Roy achieved as a professional, aside from a win streak here and there? Roy is very good…not second tier…but please don’t think that we is better than Melo..or as good as Kobe or Lebron.
LeBron is just a freak of nature and the only one in that list who carries a team virtually singlehandedly
Kobe won nothing without Shaq and he won nothing with Gasol, and Phil Jackson.
Roy? He has shown far less than Melo. Hi is not better than Melo on consistent basis…
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I'm talking about leadership
Roy is being a dang good leader right now as Portland is winning with a ridiculous amount of injuries and he is leading the charge. One guy goes out for the Thuggets and they can’t win a game? Melo has also been in the league 3 years longer than Roy. I’m not saying Roy is definitely better than Melo, just saying he is a better leader.
Using your thought process
Since you say that Billups is the leader of the team and Melo has no part in that, what will happen to the Blazers if they lose their Chauncey Billups In Brandon Roy? Doubt they would even win one game out of ten. Pretty sure you are only making this argument because the JailBlazers (see what I did there, I used a cute moniker for your team also) beat us a couple of nights ago after Melo had some pretty questionable calls go against him. No way you would be making these ludicrous statements after Melo singlehandedly decimated any defense you guys threw at him when he scored 19 in the fourth quarter on your fruity asses and pissed on any chance you guys had in winning that game. I respect Roy because he is the kind of guy that goes out and does his work quietly and does his work to win the game, but it is fans like you who tarnish his good name and valiant playing style.
Stop getting worked up over the outcome of something you can't control.
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by billybobjoe22 on Dec 29, 2009 12:00 PM MST up reply actions
PS ....only Nuggets fans get to call ourselves Thuggets
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How was Roy?
…when the Blazers had all their players? Did he lead, did the team thrive…or was he timid and did the team struggle. He seems like an opportunist, not a leader.
cvd2312 is a Blazer fan I think
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how you lose to the kings
without their 3 best players is beyond me
I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
How you lose to the 76'ers in Portland is beyond me
You’re close, but still a half game back…
by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 29, 2009 12:50 PM MST up reply actions
How you guys still think Oden is a beast is beyond me
One word: bust! Here’s to winning back to back division titles too. How’s our ass taste?
by GoldenNugget on Dec 29, 2009 1:37 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
No doubt
Biggest draft bust of the decade
by runningdonut on Dec 29, 2009 2:24 PM MST up reply actions
so tired of portland bs
“Roy is better than Melo!”
“Oden is not a bust!”
“We won the division last season!”
Swats.
"We made the Western Conference Finals!!"
oh…wait…..
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
maybe portland should fire their trainers already.
and start a bionic knee program for every future player they bring in 7 feet or taller
Swats.
or just undergo microfracture knee surgery
which almost NO player comes back from …
except for Kenyon Martin…..he da man
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
Bottom Line
Stan Kronke knew this market was what it was when purchasing it.
That being said his lack of commitment to the fans is unacceptable. His commitment being that he should do what is necessary to bring a CHAMPIONSHIP product to the Nuggets Nation.
This team was on the verge last year in obtaining the Gold ball. Does he expect to achieve this accomplishment by not spending the money to get a BIG?
Hey Stan! Busy, Cuban and Portland’s owner(s) want the Gold Ball. They made the commitment to add to their rosters what they needed. What are you doing? Stuffing your pockets and teasing the Nugget Nation. Being cheap at fans expense?
The fact that GK needs to expand the eight man rotation, teach the defense of the pick and roll and utilize players better is a cancer in it self.
BOTTOM LINE IS STAN KRONKE NEEDS TO COMMIT TO THIS TEAM !
If he doesn’t want to spend the $ then the fans need to let him know who pays the salaries via merchandise, tickets, Beer; etc.
Sure, the record (and projected record) is very good but...
I can’t agree with those who like the current win-loss ratio.
Yes, viewed alone it is very good.
However over the last month we have lost to some pathetic teams who we should easily beat, even without one of our top players (and especially so when they are missing their top player this season – Kings).
50 wins may normally be a good year, but IMO the Nuggets have set the bar high last year, with the Western Conference Finals, or at the very least a competitive (ie. 6 or 7 games) second-round playoffs exit the minimum acceptable finish to this season.
Remember we were tied with Portland on 54 wins after last season. 50 wins may not even get a top 4 finish this season, let alone top 2. Given our road record so far this seaosn, I wouldn’t feel confident going into the playoffs outside the top 2 and do you want to play the Lakers in the second round?
Julian from Australia
Coaching
Also, while I agree with Andrew that Karl deserves credit for how the team has performed since the Billups trade, he also must take at least some of the blame for the continued losses to rubbish teams. This month has been pretty pathetic.
In general I’m not a fan of extending contracts (coaches’ or players’) during a season, unless the individual has contributed to sustained success. I could coach Iverson and Anthony to 50 wins, but last year was probably the first truly successful season for several years under Karl.
Anyway, based on the month of December, I would revoke the contract extension offer to Karl. Not fire him, but make him really earn the extension and in the process fire the team up so they play closer to their best night in, night out.
Julian from Australia

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