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A tale of two halves... (Nuggets/Suns recap)

72275_phoenix_suns_v_denver_nuggets_medium_mediumSo much for the walkover predicted here earlier.  And while the Nuggets were able to pull out a victory tonight, trouble is afoot...

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"Championship caliber" teams, as the Nuggets are purporting to be, don't find themselves down 13 at halftime to a team that's a) old, b) played the night before, or c) played a tough game the night before.  And yet the Nuggets managed to dig themselves a 13-point deficit to a team that was all three of those things.

Thankfully, the Nuggets played like a championship caliber team...at least for the one half that really mattered.  The Nuggets took off on a remarkable 18-2 run in the second stanza, bringing the game to an even 77 points apiece to set up a thrilling fourth quarter in which the Nuggets defense finally resembled the D we fell in love with last season.

Kenyon Martin - our defensive "quarterback" as Nate aptly describes him - proved yet again how valuable he is to the Nuggets and how scarily bad we are without him.  Broken pinky finger or not, K-Mart must stay on the floor.

But while the ticket holders got their money's worth tonight thanks to a highly entertaining contest, the broader Nuggets Nation must be concerned with the Nuggets lack of focus in first halves this season.  They've been able to escape with victories at home (sans the Minnesota debacle), but these lackadaisical first halves are biting them in the ass on the road.  Some fans like to say that a W is a W, but tonight felt like more of an escape than a confidence-building victory.

Some observations from the not-so-cheap-seats...

...Carmelo Anthony's transition defense in the first half was atrocious.  As my friend Keith whom I was with aptly pointed out, when Melo missed shots in the first half he bitched at the refs rather than getting back to cover his man...leaving Jared Dudley wide open for a pair of easy three's.

...having just watched Steve Nash play in person for the first time ever, I'm a bigger fan than I was entering the game.  The guy is absolutely incredible and no Nugget could guard him (except Nene on the very last Suns' drive of the game...phew!).  Nash is also an exceptionally good actor when it comes to drawing fouls.

...Chris "Birdman" Andersen's timing is way off.  When he retrieves the ball on offense he's a step slow, allowing defenses to collapse on him quickly.  And on defense, he's too jump-happy.  It's clear that opposing teams have scouted him out thoroughly and he's not surprising anyone this season.

...the NBA's "disciplinarian tsar" Stu Jackson was in attendance.  I was tempted to thank him for ruining USA Basketball from 2002 through 2004, but thought better of it and stayed in my seat.

Stiff of the Night (a new feature in my game recaps!)...

...Suns head coach Alvin Gentry.  With two seconds remaining, the Suns down two and Melo on his way to the line for two potential seal-the-deal free throws, Gentry decides that's the time to erupt on the referees and get himself thrown out for the (correct) non-foul call on Nene when Nash drove to the rack on the prior possession.  Had Melo missed one of those two free throws (very likely), the Suns would have had time to make a game-tying three if they corralled the rebound.

Non-Stiff of the Night...

...(tie) between K-Mart's fourth quarter defense and Chauncey Billups' stellar play in the third quarter.  K-Mart's block on Nash near the end of the game may have been the best/signature play of the night.

Photo courtesy of NBAE/Getty Images: Garrett Ellwood

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Unfortunately the only part of this game I was able to catch before heading back to the old Bar work (game came on at 3 pm my time, New Zealand if you’re wondering, and I was in between a double shift) was the second quarter. So all I can really point out in my observations is that we looked incredibly sluggish and apathetic in that period. I also noticed Melo really forcing it to try and get us back in it. One other thing I noted, with about 48 seconds left in the half Ty Lawson picks up his third foul. Why does George Karl not sub in AC (I realize AC played in the second half, and only 1 to, kudos) I mean why risk Ty picking up his fourth foul before halftime, even if you think AC is a vast downgrade at the position, there is only 48 seconds left in the half, didn’t make much sense to me. Glad to find out we won though, despite having to climb from a deep hole

by Zachm219 on Dec 13, 2009 2:15 AM MST reply actions  

Great post, Andrew

I agree with you that there’s no foul on the last Phoenix’s possesion, I was watching the game with a Phoenix’s feed and they were complaining a lot about it though, saying that an MVP like Nash has to get calls like that.

I am concerned about Afflalo and Lawson’s lack of minutes yesterday in favor of A.C.
Why don’t these reduced minutes from Ty go to AA? I don’t think A.C made great deffensive stops tonight…

I’d like to call Nene a non-stiff for your recap also, I think he played a nice game and his D against a much quicker, foul drawer Nash in the last play won the game for us.

"Do not rest in defense. You can spend 24 seconds in offense on resting. If you do good enough on defense, you will be able to rest on offense."

by sepioes on Dec 13, 2009 3:04 AM MST reply actions  

agreed

I was over on the suns board reading the comments on their thread and they are blowing up about the no call. I watched it over and over and over and its clear Nene did have his arm on Nash as he drove but didn’t impede his progress and if you watch you can see Nash push off not once, but twice. A clear non foul

by Zachm219 on Dec 13, 2009 4:28 AM MST up reply actions  

GK and some noteables of this site

seem to think that AC’s veteran presence made the difference. What a crock of shit.

by samdman on Dec 13, 2009 4:10 PM MST up reply actions  

I wouldn't call it veteran presence

And I am not an AC fan, but you couldn’t help but notice the change in overall game play once AC was inserted especially on D. Maybe CB realized that he had to step up with no help offensively. Or maybe the team finally felt like it was the squad that went to the WCF with AC in the lineup, I have no idea. I just noticed a difference once he was in. Take that how you will.

by Joelsopinion on Dec 14, 2009 8:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Don't agree so much

Ndrew, I don’t think you’re giving the Suns enough credit as a legitimate team out west. They may be old and not have much of a bench, but they have a great starting 5 with a lot of veterans, many of whom have been playing together for years by now. I also don’t think this was more of an escape than a confidence-building victory. ANY comeback victory like the Nuggets had against ANY team is a confidence-builder. The Nuggets players aren’t thinking “well we were at home, the Suns are old and on the second of a back-to-back, so it’s not that impressive that we dug ourselves out a 17 point hole.” They’re thinking “Hell yeah, we can overcome anything over the course of 48 minutes!” It doesn’t mean the first half of this game should go unnoticed, but I certainly think this will be a game that sticks around in Nuggets memory for some time as a confidence-building comeback victory where the home fans really helped the players get back into it.

by DankNugs15 on Dec 13, 2009 6:31 AM MST reply actions  

I found this game to be very encouraging, because for really the very first time ever, these Nuggets had several people boxing out on rebounds at once. There were times that Melo, Nene, Kmart and Bird got rebounds because the other two or even three were boxing out too. They wouldn’t have gotten those rebounds otherwise. If they could just get in the habit of boxing out as a team the way they did in the second half they would be a team that the entire league would fear to play.
Trouble is afoot? If they learn from the second half, it will be a lot less troubling than you think. The key words there are “if they learn”.

"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!" ...Homer Simpson

by Thursty on Dec 13, 2009 7:34 AM MST reply actions  

Coach Karl gambled

on leaving AC in the game during the pivotal 4th quarter. To his credit, it paid off and the Nuggets won. Again, it was a huge gamble because:
1. AC is not that good
2. AC hasn’t played in weeks
3. AC is not that good
However, the Nuggets won against a good Phoenix Suns team (and the Lakers Lost!). Happy days

by CSprings_Tommy on Dec 13, 2009 8:43 AM MST reply actions  

AC

He almost gave the game away. He had 3 straight possesions where his man made the shot, horrible horrible. Had he not luckily gotten that tip out to end the game we would be calling for his head.

AC, How are you in the NBA?

by RPN on Dec 13, 2009 9:35 AM MST reply actions  

Agree!

I watched a tape of the game from last night this AM. I was amazed how much of the 2nd half AC played. I understand the fact Karl thinks he is a defensive stopper, and that we did a good job overall stopping the Suns in the second half, but he is a total liability on offense at this point and I was having terrible flashbacks as he tried to inbound the ball late in the half.

Karl has a history of not playing the Jones-Afflalo person in our lineup for the majority of the games, especially in key points, but why wouldn’t he have used AA more last night? He had a solid game, is purportedly strong on defense, and is certainly more capable on offense than AC. I really like AC as a team contributor but, at this point, for all of our hearts, please keep him on the bench where he belongs.

by BG18k on Dec 13, 2009 11:17 AM MST up reply actions  

Noteables take Note

As mentioned he is an offensive liability who can’t shoot.

by samdman on Dec 13, 2009 4:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Non-call?

Honestly, I think that last play with Nash and Nene could have gone either way. Nash initiated contact with his arm, but Nene maintained it through the drive. I don’t know that it was a “good” non-call, but it certainly wasn’t as bad as the announcers made it out to be. And more importantly, it wasn’t the reason the Suns lost the game.

Great game, y’all. It was the game I was hoping to get even if the outcome wasn’t. See you again in a few weeks.

Contributor: Bright Side of the Sun Twitter: @MikeLisboa

by Mike Lisboa on Dec 13, 2009 10:04 AM MST reply actions  

Hmmmm

Interesting. Thx for the support for our team! It’s awful nice of you! Ummmm…yeah….
Are you a nuggets fan or suns fan? It’s hard to tell because you came to our site to congradulate us or….?

by SternfluffsKobe on Dec 13, 2009 10:55 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

lol

He is a Suns fan and a good sport @ that. Thanks Mike Lisboa for acting the right way. It doesnt happen enough these days

by RPN on Dec 13, 2009 11:16 AM MST up reply actions  

He's actually the PHX Blog's version of Andrew/Nate

By that I mean the writer of the blog, and from the comments I read over in the PHX thread, he’s the most level headed and non-homerish of them all. But again that was a good non-call

by Zachm219 on Dec 13, 2009 6:15 PM MST up reply actions  

We were having a discussion about whether calls really can go either way on another thread. I don’t remember the replays that well, but if, as you say, Nash initiated the contact, then the call should go against him, Frequently when offensive players commit that sort of foul, the call isn’t made if the player didn’t gain an advantage. If, as you say, Nene maintained that contact he shouldn’t have been penalized for Nash gaining a no call. So following your description it was a good no-call that went the way it should have, not either way.

I heard complaints from some that Nash should have gotten a call because he is a star. That isn’t much of a reason and I think the NBA has been trying to get away from that sort of call since the Donaghy stuff first started more than a year ago.

Your post shows class and is appreciated.

"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!" ...Homer Simpson

by Thursty on Dec 13, 2009 2:53 PM MST up reply actions  

The Red Flag you really need to worry about

I’ve never posted her but appreciate the site. I’ve been a season ticket holder for 14 years and have seats on the floor, baseline, extremely close to the Nuggets bench. I’ve always been a fan of JR Smith because of his undeniable talent. He opens up the floor for the Nuggets and allows them to do so many things that otherwise aren’t doable without him. He is a big time talent and would be on any team. I’ve always criticized Karl for his inability to consistently use this guy as a threat but last night, I jumped off the JR bandwagon. He was pulled early in the third quarter and was obviously upset about being pulled out. That being said, as the Nuggets mounted a comeback, he sat on the end of the bench, pouting, uninterested and never moved the rest of the game, despite the comeback. Assistant coaches walked over to him on numerous occasions trying to help him, console him or a few giving him a little tough love to get his head straight (Jamahl Moseley) but to no avail. It was disgusting to watch absolutely disgusting. Remember before you criticize this post, that I’ve been a huge JR supporter through thick and thin but after what I saw last night we need to trade him right now at his peak value before something happens and we lose the opportunity to better our team from a trade. George Karl is in a tough spot but he needs to be suspended for his behavior last night. Meanwhile I watch Anthony Carter every game typically not play and yet set an example for what a team is about. I still don’t think he should be on the court but he is definitely a team first player at least. TRADE JR.

by TheNoticer on Dec 13, 2009 10:09 AM MST reply actions  

idiot

SO a guy has 1 off night and u want to trade him? This is the real world and things happen and people get upset. I’m a huge JR suporter and 99% of the time he is the one who is on the bench hooting and clapping for his teammates. Get real dude, everyone has an offnight.

by RPN on Dec 13, 2009 11:19 AM MST up reply actions  

take it easy bud

Its his first post here on the site and thats the example you want to set, by throwing a personal attack out in the subject line. I mean you can disagree and it creates a good dialog but theres no reason to call someone an idiot just because they don’t share your opinion. Remember in cases like this where someone is putting up their first post your response is an example of all of us and you just made all of us look like jerks.
Noticer- I would say that often JR is a big team supporter and one of the biggest cheerleaders on the team so I’m not sure saying he doesn’t have a team mentality is correct. However, I do think his maturity is still low and admittedly its starting to wear on me. I’m not opposed to trading JR, I’ve even posted a fan post suggesting a JR trade to Memphis, but we do have to consider what he brings to our bench in terms of offensive fire power, which Ac of course does not. It will not be easily replaced especially considering losing Kleiza this offseason

by Zachm219 on Dec 13, 2009 6:23 PM MST up reply actions  

WELCOME!

It’s always great to hear from Nuggets season ticket holders. Shoot me an email and I’ll say at Monday’s game. Or if you want to come by and say hi to me, I sit in Section 122, Row 1 (which is really like row 3, behind the hockey barrier) seats 7 and 8.

We look forward to future contributions from you.

Andrew Feinstein | DenverStiffs.com | denverstiffs@gmail.com

by Andrew Feinstein on Dec 13, 2009 11:53 AM MST up reply actions  

AC may not be much of a player but he has been a class act in all his time as a Nugget.

"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!" ...Homer Simpson

by Thursty on Dec 13, 2009 2:56 PM MST up reply actions  

True

Never a story or rumor of disruption.

by Joelsopinion on Dec 14, 2009 8:49 AM MST up reply actions  

The only problem with trading JR

Is that I am not so sure we could get as much value out of him as he’s actually worth. People know JR is streaky, and they know he can be a head case at times, yet they really don’t know that he is capable of averaging over 20 ppg if given the chance. So that’s what’s going to be hard. He hasn’t ever averaged over 16 ppg, and has constantly been in Karl’s dog house since day one. Basically what I’m trying to say is I think it’s going to be hard to find a team willing to deal out what we would want for JR. I can’t be apposed to trading JR, because he’s not getting a fair chance here. It’s not fair to him, as a player and as a man, and it’s not fair to this fanbase. So I would go ahead and say trade him if we can get what he’s worth and get a player in here that George will actually respect and play. I would prefer a defensive minded player. Someone like Raja Bell would be perfect. He basically does the same things JR does (not quite as good of a 3 point shooter) with more consistency and is one of the best defenders in the league. I think the addition of him, along with someone like Ronnie Turiaf would be an incredible trade for the Nuggets and would add to our tough, defensive minded personality we took on last year. I think it would give us the toughness to take the Lakers in the WCFs too.

by GoldenNugget on Dec 13, 2009 10:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Panic button NOOOOOOOO!

Yeah let’s not sell one of the most explosive players in the league because of a bad outing and bad reaction. His job is to make baskets and win ball games. I’d be upset too! He knows that every game, and every shot will affect his future pay. No player, check that, no good player has ever been happy about a trip to the bench. And don’t worry Noticer, when JR lights it up for 35 the bandwagon will still have room for your return. DON’T TRADE JR!

by Joelsopinion on Dec 14, 2009 8:49 AM MST up reply actions  

One more thing

 The last play was an obvious foul and that come from someone that is maniacal about the Nuggets. That being said, Bill Kennedy was awful the whole game and killed us the second half. Bill Kennedy is horrible and he made the noncall but it was a no brainer foul. I was right in front of the play.

by TheNoticer on Dec 13, 2009 10:11 AM MST reply actions  

it was a good call

as it could of gone either way. Nash pushed twice and nene had contact. Good on the refs to not call anything.

by RPN on Dec 13, 2009 11:20 AM MST up reply actions  

It was one of the more poorly officiated games we’ve seen this year, but as I posted above, I don’t think that last one was that bad a call.

"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!" ...Homer Simpson

by Thursty on Dec 13, 2009 2:58 PM MST up reply actions  

One more thing

He killed us in the first half, not the second.

by TheNoticer on Dec 13, 2009 10:15 AM MST reply actions  

Hey TheNoticer

Welcome!
Ummm…trade JR? I hear what you’re saying about last night, but where were you a couple of games ago when Melo wasn’t in the game during the run in the 76er game? He didn’t keep his streak of 20 point games alive and we didn’t need him to. HE WAS VISIBLY UPSET AND SEEMINGLY POUTING ABOUT IT. should we trade him?
These guys are not like you and me. They live in a different universe and from the sound of it you do realize that JR is still a kid….

by SternfluffsKobe on Dec 13, 2009 11:05 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree

that Bill Kennedy was horrible last night. But in the end, as it turned out, consistently horrible. I couldn’t help but think of Donaghy on a few of those calls. I don’t think the Suns fans were complaining when Ty lawson was whistled while Amare stuck his thigh out on the high pick.

I agree with Thursty, it was great to see team box outs last night. That was encouraging.
And holding the Suns under 100 points was also a great sign.

That said, what troubles me is that we have now become a team that is not only inconsistent game to game, but also quarter to quarter. And I don’t know how that gets fixed, but it needs to happen over the next 10 games.

BTW, our March schedule is a nightmare. We need to have a good Division lead by the end of February if we expect to be at home in the first round of the playoffs.

by My3Cents on Dec 13, 2009 11:16 AM MST reply actions  

Referree Bitching

Is it just me or do the Nuggets whine an excessive amount about calls/non-calls?! For being a supposed MVP candidate, ’Melo remains the worst at that.

For the full team’s benefit, turn to your rookie, Lawson, on this issue, Nuggets. He plays hard, well and continuously (except for last night for some odd reason.) If he gets calls, great. If he doesn’t, he keeps playing.

Grow up, Nuggets, and stop focusing on what the refs are or aren’t doing. If you don’t catch on to how to handle this issue quickly, your exit from the playoffs will be far quicker than you expect it to be.

by BG18k on Dec 13, 2009 11:19 AM MST reply actions  

while i agree

That the Melo complains a bit about the refs, he is right to do so. Since he gets fouled way way way more than he gets free throws for. Never have I seen a player get hacked so much and being a all start not get the calls. Kobe and Duncan are the biggest whiners in the league when it comes to whining about the refs.

I’m proud of Melo for coming out after the game on radio/tv and calling the refs out on the noncalls.

by RPN on Dec 13, 2009 11:23 AM MST up reply actions  

It's not an excuse

To stop playing. Melo quits on his team when he doesn’t get back on defense because of a no-call.

He does get beat up in the lane all the time though

by runningdonut on Dec 13, 2009 1:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Last night Hastings pointed out a case where Melo was complaining to the ref while the Suns got a layup on the other end since Melo wasn’t there to defend. I thought Melo was improving on this, but seems to be backsliding lately.

"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!" ...Homer Simpson

by Thursty on Dec 13, 2009 3:02 PM MST up reply actions  

disappointed in birdman & earl smith

I watched the entire game last night and paid specific attention to birdman & earl smith. simply put they are just not that good. birdman only know how to block, he isn’t able to play defense beyond trying to swat the ball. bigmen defenders need to use their bodies as a presence around the basket. but birdman allows people to drive around him, hoping to swat the ball at the last second. blocks are all good, but they can’t be your entire defensive strategy. as for earl smith, what a disappointing game. on offense, he either drives to the basket out of control, usually losing the ball and acting surprised he doesn’t get the foul call or he dribbles the ball back and forth on the 3 point line while defended waiting until he has just a tad bit of space and then launches a 3pt shot. rarely are his 3’s wide open. but on defense, earl smith is pathetic. when he covers his man, it’s almost like he is setting himself up to be blown by. he stands to the side, away from the basket and is EASILY dribbled around, forcing a big to help and then everyone gets out of position. when has earl ever successfuly defended someone? why not take a charge once in a while?!? oh, and he was 0-8 from the field. 0-8 !?!?!!!

by nuggzfan on Dec 13, 2009 11:35 AM MST reply actions  

Your right, but...

I think it’s Karl, and management’s fault for relying on Birdman too much. Bird is great playing 15-20 minutes per game because he can come in and add some much needed energy, but when your relying on him to be your primary option for gathering rebounds at times, that’s just a bad strategy. As for Earl, I think he’s going through somewhat of a slump right now, but he HAS to grow up sometime. I hate Karl for fu*&ing with his head so much, but if he just grows up and matures his game on the court it would help a lot.

by GoldenNugget on Dec 13, 2009 11:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Whine and Cheese

Hey guys, I’m back. Some of you may remember me from last season, when my handle was Do We Have Any Plays?. Well, when the season started I decided to change my handle to something, well, easier to handle, mostly because I saw a few plays here and there. It was nice, and there was a stat last night about how when our assists go up, so do our W’s. I may be a bit too optimistic, though.

From what I’ve seen, the Nuggets are falling into some really bad, 2007/08 habits, and it’s disturbing. The first is that when Melo has the ball everybody is just standing around. It stops the flow of the offense.

Next, the huge difference between the Suns and Nugs is that the Suns get hit and just keep on playing. Even Nash is doing this. Hastings or Marlowe noted this last night. The Nugs, on the other hand, are slow to move up the floor when they think a call was missed. They are busy pouting, even if they are not arguing the call, and oftentimes it kills us. What good is Birdman if he’s out at halfcourt? No wonder our rebounding is so poor.

Anyway, I’m having fun this season, but it seems like last season’s magic has yet to surface. This is probably due to the surprise factor and higher expectations, but this year just feels different. Lawson and AA are great additions for the team, although I still think we need another big or a system to take advantage of the talent that we have. Lord knows we have enough of it.

The season is young, and I look forward to hanging with you all ’til June. This site is one of the absolute best things about being a Nuggets fan. Thank you Andrew and Nate, and Go Nuggets!

by MattressKing on Dec 13, 2009 12:23 PM MST reply actions  

Welcome back

I appreciated your comments the last few years, but your name more than anything, so it’s tough to see that go, especially recently. I have been asking myself “Do we have any plays” quite often.

by GoldenNugget on Dec 13, 2009 11:08 PM MST up reply actions  

You got Lucky

Mr. Feinstein, after officially doing everything possible to jinx the team. You are officially nominated to the stiff list for unwarranted cockiness.

The next time you get a three day weekend getaway with Mr. Karl, please talk to him about pick and roll defense. I think I’m going to vomit if I have to see one more with our center on their point guard and our point guard on their center.

by KarlSucks on Dec 13, 2009 12:34 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

+1

Andrew, you should go ahead and put yourself on the Stiff List. I mean, how can you be so confident when we dropped the game to Detroit just a couple nights ago with practically the same scenario, and they were about as depleted as it gets.

by GoldenNugget on Dec 13, 2009 11:11 PM MST up reply actions  

denver did NOT deserve to win

i do not know how anybody could complain about ac’s defense when chauncey billups got lit up by nash for the first 12 points to start the game. ac was the only player that made nash work and took him out of his game. nuggets came back because chauncey started to hit 3 point shots. that has been the exception with billups instead of the rule this season. denver plays defense and passes the ball in the half court offense good things will follow. this game follows the same pattern established in the t-wolves game. phoenix finally ran out of gas at the end. there is really nothing to feel good about until denver breaks out of their 2 bad habits of getting off to a bad start and allowing the oponent back into the game.

pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow

by nohoops4u on Dec 13, 2009 1:02 PM MST reply actions  

Nash was amazing

Their bench was destroying us allowing Gentry to rest Nash for long stretches, so when he came in second half he had cooled off a bit. Amundson was the non-stiff of the night. Denver is usually the more aggressive team but they got 43 free throws to Suns only 28. Rebounding and defense finally picked up but overall I think there’s no doubt we had some help on this one.

by runningdonut on Dec 13, 2009 1:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Dangerous

AC’s overrated defense is dangerous. He comes in the game in the second half near the end of the third qtr FRESH. So to you he throws Nash off of his rhythm. Picking up that calf has finally taken it’s toll on you. Eventually AC’s ineptness surfaced. He did have presence of mind to call a time out instead of making an ill advise attempt to get the ball in. His nightmares paid off for the Nuggets
The officials calling this game need to be banded from the NBA. Ty Lawson getting into foul trouble was the typical vet getting the call scene.
You say CB1 got lit up the first quarter and then he Nuggets came back because he started hitting the 3 point shots

by samdman on Dec 13, 2009 5:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Unbelievable

The Nuggets scratch and claw to win a game against a good team after having a horrible quarter…and the bitching going on here is insane. Melo was down and up on Defense but had some great D in the third, specifically against Amare….yet once again the “hate Melo” brigade is out in full force….gets no credit for the good, gets all credit for the bad.

I’m not telling you guys to be polyannaish and be all peaches and cream…but for gods sake, show some balance. You guys have no sense of proportion. It’s either really good (rarely) or “the sky is falling – trade JR and Melo – they are all bums – fire George Karl – Nene is a wimp” bs that we’ve come to expect.

by jpage78 on Dec 13, 2009 2:35 PM MST reply actions  

I agree

especially since the Nugs record is second best in the conference. When you play a lot of games you always have some stinkers. If they lose bad in the playoffs I’ll get upset, but not right now.

by river-z on Dec 13, 2009 2:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Substitute "Amare" for "Melo"...

…and it sounds just like Bright Side of the Sun.

Contributor: Bright Side of the Sun Twitter: @MikeLisboa

by Mike Lisboa on Dec 13, 2009 5:08 PM MST up reply actions  

I would prefer insightful concern rather than optimistic naivety

Karl should be fired, and I’ve maintained that position for years now. If Chauncey hadn’t saved his job last year, his cough drop-sucking, opposition tie-wearing ass would have already been long gone and we would have likely been playing the right way, with actual plays, discipline and logical in-game management right now instead of erratic, one-on-one scratching and clawing our ways to victory. His unrighteous treatment of JR would have not have been missed, as JR would be starting, and probably playing with a hell of a lot more poise and discipline, and we wouldn’t be talking about trading anyone right now.

by GoldenNugget on Dec 13, 2009 11:20 PM MST up reply actions  

This win took guts.

i think to come back from 17 points down halfway through the second is a hell of an effort. I think it will be a big confidence boost for the team who is just in a little slump at the minute. Birdman played great on the glass..he grabbed 7 offensive rebounds! K-Mart just showed how valuble he is to the team in this game. No K-mart=no defence=no win!..simple formula. It was good to see Chauncey hitting clutch shot after clutch shot again. Hopefully he can continue to do this. ’Melo played his usual great game. overall it was a good comeback win and a good way to start the 3 game home stand. Go Nuggets!

by stan_26 on Dec 13, 2009 3:30 PM MST reply actions  

Technical Fouls...

Actually, I thought Gentry’s T’s were timed well. Nash got a technical first, and as soon as Gentry saw that, he knew Melo would make at least 2 out of 3 and went ahead and let loose his frustration. His timing was a little different than Andrew depicted. I personally think Nash initiated the contact with his arm and it was a good non-call, but either way I don’t think Gentry would have went off if Nash hadn’t gotten T’d up first. He showed his players that he was willing to freak out when they get screwed (in his opinion), so I guess you have to like that.

by roscoe66 on Dec 13, 2009 5:18 PM MST reply actions  

JR

Hey RPN, I don’t know anything about you so I won’t respond to your idiot post but I will say if you knew anything about me and my background with the Nuggets, you wouldn’t be talking. So pipe down and show respect for everyone and their opinions. That’s all they are is opinions. Andrew, I will be at the game tomorrow night and I will look for you in Section 122. I believe that a commitment to the team and the plan can propel these Nuggets to the next level. Other than that, they will lose in the playoffs and might not make the conference finals again. JR needs to grow up fast or I would rather use his value for a few key contributors, you always trade when his value is at a peak and that’s where it is right now. I laugh at some of the trade scenarios put up on the site. To get value we are going to have to give up something. We’ve seen what happens when Kenyon doesn’t play and with a long road to go, we desperately need more ammunition up front. JR made me sick last night and for those that truly had a view of his behavior and watched him (he was 5 feet from me) they would agree. For RPN who was probably sitting in the third deck or watching on TV and who isn’t concerned about the team concept but more about stats, he might not agree. Again, we all have opinions. I think there’s someone in the front office that agrees with mine.

by TheNoticer on Dec 13, 2009 8:57 PM MST reply actions  

Ok, who was it talking about me cursing around their kids at the game the other night?

Let me tell you a little story about my experience last night at the game.

My family came up to visit me and decided they wanted to go to the game last night. Sounded awesome, so we went down to the box office and purchased some tix for half off in the lower section of the arena, were I usually never sit becuase I can’t afford them. Still, happy as ever, I was able to see the Nuggets pull off a great win up close. I also got to see Biz Markie attempt to cling to the last notes of his career as he tried to sway the croud at halftime, which was priceless. But all this time there was a steady kicking at the back of my seat by a small child who’s yuppie parents didn’t say a thing to her the whole game. As if this was not bad enough I also had her claw my head at one point in time as she darted for the nachos her parents probably spent 10 dollars on, all while the constant chant “Nuggets” was being shouted in my ear the entire game by her innocent baby voice. Now tell me this, here I am, a grown man, throuroughly devoted to the Nuggets, who NEVER sits in the lower section, and finally catches a break, and I’m supposed to watch my passionate language around your bratty little kids while you can’t even keep tabs on their kicking and screaming the entire game? Is that fair? Is that fair to grown people? Can you honestly say, as a parent that you have that much concern for the preservation of your childs innocence than you do the respect for other people? I get it that you want to protect your special little prize posesion’s ears from the REAL world but I hate to break it to you, your kids are most likely going to know all the words you don’t want them to years before you think. And you know what? It doesn’t really matter. Not one bit. Because this world’s a bitch, that’s right I said bitch. And certain words are about as irrelivant as George Karl’s play calling in the grand scheme of things. So next time, do us all a favor, and get a FU%&ING baby sitter!!! I’m sure other people who actually know what the hell is going on in the game would appriciate those tickets a hell of a lot more than your kids.

by GoldenNugget on Dec 13, 2009 11:40 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Peace

Yes, I posted the comment 4 days ago. I see it is still bothering you. It wasn’t fair to judge you the way I did and I apologize. I had a bad experience at a Nuggets game and was taking it out on you. Not cool.
Sorry to hear you had a bad experience at the game, however it wasn’t me that was at the game (just like it probably wasn’t you at the game I was at).
How about we just put all the parenting/kids issues aside and talk Nuggets basketball? Peace.

by CSprings_Tommy on Dec 14, 2009 8:02 AM MST up reply actions  

Sounds good

I just wanted to share my experience with you so you, and other parents, could see our side of the story. But just to be clear, I am not one who curses around children, even when my emotions run high at games, I still manage to compose myself.

by GoldenNugget on Dec 14, 2009 10:49 AM MST up reply actions  

You know I like you GN but...

Don’t let one child who “clawed” (haha, sorry that just sounds too funny) your head ruin it for everyone. Yes there are degenerate parents, and I equally loathe them, but some of us are good… and some kids are good too.

I hope you still had a good time nevertheless. But it ultimately doesn’t take a “motherfucker!!!” to get your thoughts across. You’re the bigger person, show it. It’s not your place to impose your will on another family, just like it’s not her place to impose her claws on your head, but again, you’re the bigger person, and you have to put things in their place respectively. You didn’t turn around and say “what the fuck you little bitch!?” did you? Exactly. Compartmentalize things. I’m a huuuuuge fan of the “motherfucker!!!” myself, but you have to use some judgment and ultimately class. I certainly have let it slip a few times here and there around my 4 year old and probably never once noticed how big of a douche I was being if I was using foul language around kids until I had one myself. But you can’t say “they’re gonna get it sooner or later” because it’s not your place to determine some other kids path… Adults who say, “she was gonna have sex sooner or later” are known as pedophile pieces of shit. Kids are really impressionable dude. REALLY. And it’s not our place, especially when ultimately there’s easily a zillion other words that could be used. Similarly some parents are just pussy’s too. And they’re not going to say anything to you if you do that, but some of us would.. I absolutely would… nowadays. It just takes some perspective my man…

by stiffy on Dec 14, 2009 9:28 AM MST up reply actions  

Like I said above

I am NOT one who curses around children. I have morals and ethics, but I can’t agree with those parents who want others to watch their language around kids yet let them run wild and bother everyone. It just doesn’t make sense. So that was kind of my theme of my post. But just to clarify something, I learned a lot of naughty shit when I was really young. It’s just the way the human mind works. We are interested in the unknown and in the opposite sex (or same sex in some cases). And THAT is a fact. I honestly don’t think in any way that my early understanding of that kind of stuff affected me negatively. When I wanted to know what something meant, I asked my mother, she told me, and we got on with life. But hey, that’s just me, and I’m not going to tell you how to raise your child. I’ve never had any (thank God, I’m only 21), or at least any that I know of (just kidding), so it’s really not my place to speak. But hey, we’re all here for one common reason, and that’s the Nuggets. Let’s just stick to talking about what we are good at.

by GoldenNugget on Dec 14, 2009 11:05 AM MST up reply actions  

I feel ya kid...

Let’s just say I have a few years on you and I WAS YOU (probably in a round-about sense) roughly 11 years ago… LOL. Full of piss and vinegar. j/k. Now I’m just full of shit! :)

I hope you didn’t think I was attacking you. I noticed you didn’t actually state that you cussed per say, and I didn’t clearly call that out… I was just sayin…

PS, Don’t you mean lets stick to talking about what we are BAD at? Like sound fundamental hard working team oriented basketball lately… geesh!

It’s all good though young buck.

by stiffy on Dec 14, 2009 5:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Just gotta say on the non-foul at the end...

Good non-call. I didn’t get to watch the game as it happened so all I could do was watch the highlights on ESPN and NBA.com. I replayed that drive probably 25 times and I wouldn’t have called it going either way. I can’t speak to the officiating of the rest of the game but there was no foul that needed to be called there.

I do think its a sad comment on the state of NBA officiating though that so many people feel there should have been a call. Nash wasn’t overly aggressive but you shouldn’t be able to just dive into the lane and expect to get a call…especially just because you’re smaller than the guy guarding you and double as much if you initiate contact. Too many people crash the lane and practically dive into the defenders chest (read Manu and Tony) and expect to get a trip to the line as a reward.

This gem from a The Brighter Side of the Sun poster “Nash was TRYING to get a foul and the shot. He leaned into Nene on purpose to get the call. The refs know this.” The guy is arguing for a foul call there and lists PRECISELY why there shouldn’t have been a call. Nash caused it and everyone knows it…why would he be rewarded with the foul call? He wasn’t trying to get to the rim and score, he was only trying to act his was to the free throw line.

Never mind their next assertion that officiating errors that may have gone the way of the Suns earlier in the game were by far more acceptable because they didn’t happen in crunch time. If this is true why don’t we just play 2 minute games that start out 98-98. It may not have been “crunch time” or a two point game had the earlier calls not went the way they did. Just because something is less noticeable in the grand scheme doesn’t make it any less relevant…

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