The Curse of Auburn Hills... (Nuggets/Pistons recap)
The best thing that could probably happen for the Nuggets in Detroit would be an empty The Palace at Auburn Hills somehow catching fire and burning to the ground. The losing streak continues as Denver falls to Detroit on some very curse like plays.
I want to take a look at this game from each half … so I’m writing this at halftime. The score is 52-50 Pistons. The Nuggets are allowing Detroit to dictate the feel of this game. When Detroit wants to play slow … Denver is playing in a half court set. When Detroit is getting out and running … the Nuggets offense begins to pick up and play quicker, but they are playing sloppy and turning the ball over. I’m not a fan of letting the other team set the pace, especially when the Nuggets are supposed to be the superior squad. Denver should be imposing their will on Detroit, but things are not going that way right now. If I didn’t know any better I would guess that Denver was the team that played last night, not Detroit and that’s a bad sign on the road.
Charlie Villanueva has 19 points at the half and Rodney Stuckey has 16. Villanueva may as well cut his left arm off because he’s not going to use it … somebody ought to let the Nuggets defenders know this. The positives for Denver’s offense, Melo has 20 points on 8-13 shooting and J.R. Smith and Chris Andersen have 8 and 7 points respectively off the bench.
Billups looked for his shot a little too much in the first half going 1-6 from the floor and notching just 1 assist. The Nuggets tend to let Billups dictate the offense, so if he’s looking for his shot and not looking to set up his teammates the Nuggets take that to sometimes mean that they should shoot the ball every time they touch it.
Detroit is winning the rebounding battle right now 21-19. The Nuggets are doing a decent job on the defensive boards, but there are some guys looking to leak out on the break instead of making sure that the ball has been secured. And speaking off ball security, Denver has 8 turnovers in the first half and that has got to change.
Let's see how the second half plays out ...
Probably two of the most frustrating latter quarters of basketball I've ever witnessed.
A sampling of the frustrating plays:
- Tied at 73-73 J.R. Smith has a fastbreak dunk and his double-clutch effort falls shot and he misses the dunk badly.
- With just a couple ticks left on the shot clock Charlie Villanueva gets a cross court pass and throws up a prayer three-pointer and sinks it.
- With the Nuggets down one late Nene secures a rebound and trys to just hand the ball to Billups, Ben Wallace steps in and steals the ball. Detroit hits a layup going up three.
- Melo heads to the foul line with Detroit up 101-98 ... Melo goes 1-2 from the foul line.
- With 28.5 seconds on the clock the ball is knocked out of bounds and after a video review Detroit is rewarded the ball.
- With just 6.1 seconds on the clock ... Billups gets the ball and hesitates to take the three, takes the ball inside and misses the tying basket badly.
- Nuggets lose their 13th in a row in Detroit 101-99.
This is the kind of loss that just stings. The Nuggets might be one of the best teams at wasting special offensive efforts ... Melo scores 40 points and Denver can't find a way to win.
A 2-2 roadtrip may be called good by some, but Denver should have won this game and if anyone would like to head to Detroit with me, rent a wrecking ball, make sure The Palace is empty and then tear that place down ... email me.
Views you can use:
- The Nuggets are now 0-13 in Detroit since the 1995-96 season (remember we didn't play in Detroit during the strike shortened 1998-99 season or it could be 0-14).
- Billups, 2 and Lawson, 4 combine for just 6 assists and as a team Denver tallies just 14 assists ... that is not going to cut it on the road.
- Rodney Stuckey goes for 25 and Charlie Villanueva goes for 27 for Detroit.
- Nene once again fails to score in double figures with only 8 points on the night.
The day after:
After thinking about some things this morning I wanted to add a few thoughts ...
- Melo's defensive effort throughout the game is back to his old effort levels aka not good. Just noticing a few things like Melo leaking off his man after a shot. The play I'm thinking of in particular is where Melo threw the alley-oop to Joey Graham ... nice play, but if you watch the other end Melo was covering Jerebko and when the shot went up Jerebko went to the rim and Melo went to the half court line. Jerebko barely missed pulling down the board. If we are wondering where all the offensive rebounds are coming from ... this could be one spot to look at.
- To harp on Melo's defensive effort a little more ... I recall another play where Melo thought he was fouled and instead of hustling back on defense he commented to the refs and then jogged back and pointed to Arron Afflalo to go ahead and cover 6'10'' Jerebko (who was streaking to the bucket) as Melo took the undersized guard who was just crossing midcourt. Jerebko got the ball and scored an easy layup on Afflalo who was scrambling trying to cover Melo's man.
- Nene has lost a little bit of his aggressiveness going to the rim. And the biggest thing Nene is missing out on are shots themselves. Through Denver's first 20 games Nene failed to score in double figures just twice. In the last three games Nene has not posted double figures and Denver is 1-2. And in those three games Nene is averaging just 5 shots a game. Not having your big man involved in the offense is detrimental for Denver.
- The Denver backup bigs are not getting the job done. Nene, K-Mart and Bird are all fine. Bird is battling injuries and big men like Bird are never good when they are asked to cover guards out on the perimeter (more on this next bullet). But Joey Graham, Renaldo Balkman, Malik Allen and Johan Petro are not the answer for Denver. Graham has a little offense, but his defense is either over-exaggerated or was never very good to begin with. Balkman doesn't have the size, Allen doesn't have the legs or tenacity to be a rebounder (3 reb. career average) and Petro doesn't have the basketball IQ to get the job done right now. This team was unable to find an adequate big man in the offseason to come in and it's really showing when one of the "Big 3" bigs is unable to go. Denver must address this issue because the depth on the frontline will not get the job done and insurance is always a good idea.
- Denver's constant switching on pick-and-rolls has got to stop. The book is out on the Nuggets ... pick-and-roll them to death and you will have offensive success because of the mismatches it'll create. Jeremy of Roundball Mining Company has harped on this point for as long as I can remember and he's correct ... Denver must quit all the switching on defense.
- I love J.R. Smith's unselfishness. Unselfish and J.R. Smith? No, it isn't an oxymoron. When Smith gets the ball you can see him working out in his head what to do with it and you can see that one of his primary thoughts when he gets the ball with a defender on him is ... "I'm not open ... who is open." The more Smith I see the more I like.
- The Chauncey Billups and Ty Lawson backcourt is not one of my favorites. I like both players, but give Billups his rest. Afflalo and Smith are each too good to be on the bench at the same time and one of them needs to be in the game at all times.
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Chauncey OVERRATED and TOO OLD.
everytime i write that he comes back with a big time game. lets see it Big Shot, im calling you out. get this team to play defense, pass the damn ball and block the FUCK OUT
Charges
How many did we take?
If we can’t take a few more
we will lose these games
by InboundingLobPass on Dec 10, 2009 8:47 PM MST reply actions
The view I'll use is
That this team sucks and i’m tired of watching them loss to sub .500 teams. Really there’s no excuse other then we are really not that good just getting lucky wins. Last year was our only chance at a championship and if you disagree please tell me were the positives are to the contrery. So with that said I’m proud of the nuggets for dropping another one to bad team don’t I shouldn’t be upset because we suck anyways .
That was a joke, right?
(The guy’s English skills are so poor, nothing he writes is well said.)
"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!" ...Homer Simpson
sorry my english skills offend you
you most be ok with the losses since thats all you want to comment about. sorry for being a fan whos worried about his favorite basketball team. but you are worried more about spelling and grammer- come on
2-2 road trip
Mission accomplished, George.
Don’t get your hopes up about the next road game because losing that will still put as at .500 on the road. GK’s plan is coming along nicely.
Don't you just love those expectations?
Nothing like a coach who states that going .500 on the road is good enough. Man, what a dude on a mission to really exceed expectations. I’m so glad George is our coach so that losses like these are considered acceptable. Gotta truly love that mediocre style.
by GoldenNugget on Dec 10, 2009 9:13 PM MST up reply actions
Attitude
Did anyone else notice how chummy and nonchalant the players and coaches seemed to be with Detroit? Chucky Atkins the super-scrub was basically making out with Bird and Kenyon on the sidelines during timeouts. Yes having Kenyon out really hurts but Detroit had twice the amount of players out with injury and they were on a back to back! I really don’t think a trade would help, the guys are just not working hard and no one is holding them accountable for it.
You know whos job that is?
George FUCKING Karl’s. It’s HIS job to ensure that our players give it their hardest every time they step on the floor. Not anyone else’s but HIS!!!! I guess he just missed the part of the job description when reading over the contract. Believe it or not George, occasionally yelling at your players is actually NECCISARY in the job in which you have taken!!!
by GoldenNugget on Dec 10, 2009 9:17 PM MST up reply actions
Stay classy Nugget
Are you the guy at the Pepsi Center who thinks he’s cool dropping f-bombs at the refs/players/coaches while the family of 4 sits in the row in front of you?
by CSprings_Tommy on Dec 11, 2009 7:33 AM MST up reply actions
Tommy
Tommy,
Are you the guy who says, “down in front,” at a sporting event? If he is dropping f bombs, TEXT SOS Man! This isn’t a game, this is a f’n website for passonate Nuggets fans. If the Nuggets cared half as much as GoldenNugget does, then we would be just fine. However, since our players seem to lack motivation, it is the coaches job to put players on the court that are ready to play. GoldenNugget is right.
Please
If my language offended you I apologize, but don’t draw hasty conclusions from a few f-bombs.
by GoldenNugget on Dec 11, 2009 3:42 PM MST up reply actions
I'll make you a deal
If we can keep children under 5 who can’t reasonably be expected to behave off of airplanes, then I’ll avoid the F-bombs around the family at the basketball games. Perhaps both should have a family section!
+1
I always get stuck next to the crying sick kid on every flight.
by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 11, 2009 4:24 PM MST up reply actions
Here comes the George Karl bashing again...
It still doesn’t make any sense to me, but whatever.
J.R. is my homeboy
Why don't you actually watch the fucking game then
Who the hell draws up an isolation play for an aging PG in the final mintues of the game when you have the best clutch shooter in the NBA on your team?
by GoldenNugget on Dec 10, 2009 9:37 PM MST up reply actions
An "aging PG" ???
Really? Is that what we’re calling Chauncey now? Last year he was our saviour … now he’s an ‘aging PG’. That’s a little harsh, man. Look … I get it. This loss really hurt … we shouldn’t be losing games like these. But to put the blame on Karl for the last play is just ridiculous. It’s not like he entrusted Petro with the last shot. He gave it to Chauncey fucking Billups … one of the best and most experienced players in the league. He didn’t make the shot … shit happens. Get over it.
Ok, bad wording
Chauncey is not an “aging PG”, but you get the freakin point. In the last seconds of the game you give it to your most clutch player, and that is Melo. But I am not that mad as to who took the shot, but HOW it was executed. There was NO play involved whatsoever. It was, give the ball to Chauncey and see what happens. That’s absolute BS! There HAS to be plays drawn up in the last seconds of the game. I, along with every other member of Nugget Nation, am fed up with this BS. It cost us a game or two in the WCFs last year and now it is costing us games in the regular season. I can’t believe how ignorat George is. Even AFTER the lack of drawing up an inbounds play kills us in the playoffs he STILL has drawn up none.
by GoldenNugget on Dec 10, 2009 11:58 PM MST up reply actions
I don't know ..
I agree it wasn’t the best play ever designed … but I’m sure one of the plans was to give it to Melo. I guess CB thought it was a low % pass to give it to him and decided to go at it himself. I don’t see how that is GK’s fault.
On the other hand, his inability to get the team to play good D against sub-.500 teams is mainly his fault (Although not 100% his fault – these players have been playing for years now. They should know better by now … honestly!).
+1
Nothing wrong with Big Shot getting the last shot if he was the one that got open for the inbounds. I am sure it was for either he or Melo. 1 should have pulled up for the 15 footer instead of taking it all the way. Bad play by 1 but nothing wrong with it on GKs end.
bulls game in chicago
the last play in the detroit game was the same one they ran in chicago where chauncey got to the line. it gives denver 3 options. cb1 can pass, take the jumper or drive for a lay up and or foul.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
Please then, explain it to us...
“It was Chauncey in Detroit so I thought that was the right shot, and I’m happy with the look he got,” Karl said. “It just didn’t go down.”
Chauncey = 6-16 37%
Melo = 16-28 57%
Melo is 48% on game winning or tying shots in the last 24 secs over the past 5 years. The BEST in the league with more than 10 attempts.
Justify this decision. Please. It couldn’t make less sense to me.
it's simple
Don’t you think defenses would start to make adjustments if Melo got the ball ALL THE TIME in clutch situations? Melo was brilliant tonight … but hitting a jumper with 3 sets of hands in your face is highly unlikely even for him. Let’s not forget that he had just missed a clutch free throw 20 seconds earlier …
Ok, then make him a decoy
Let him draw 3 players to him (which wouldn’t happen anyways) then allow him to dish it to Chauncey for an OPEN shot.
by GoldenNugget on Dec 10, 2009 11:59 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed, it is simple
Remember some guy named Michael Jordan. He use to get the ball a lot towards the end of games. Made a lot of shots. He even passed it to a John Paxson character who made some ‘big shots’.
Flippant comments aside, you HAVE TO put the ball in your best player’s hands at the end of a game. If the defense sends all 3 guys at him, you have to trust that a) he’ll make the pass and b) that the open man will hit the shot; or, live with the fact that the player that carried you the ENTIRE game took the shot he “deserved” to take.
Being clever, like NOT giving the ball to your best player is a terrible decision. Giving the ball to a player just because he was “at a certain place” and “deserved” the chance to take the game winning shot because he was there – is a terrible decision.
You’re argument is also kind of like saying that Stockton and Malone shouldn’t run the pick and roll all the time cause the defense knows it’s coming. Great teams, and great players, beat defenses when the defense knows what’s coming.
Good coaching is getting the ball to your best players in the best positions for them to succeed.
Bad coaching is making arbitrary decisions that supersede super obvious decisions – like, I don’t know, giving it to the guy who’s scored 40!
by theflusher on Dec 11, 2009 12:00 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
look ...
I’m not saying that Melo shouldn’t be getting the ball most of the time in clutch situations. He should. But that’s exactly my point … he should be getting it ‘most’ of the time. Not every single time. Otherwise you become too predictable. GK thought it was wise that tonight would be one of those times that Melo didn’t get the ball. It didn’t work out and he got a loss for it. It was a risky call … but I’m not going to second guess an NBA coach with years of experience just because the risk didn’t pay off. I guess it’s easy being a coach with 20/20 hind-sight vision … a luxury that GK doesn’t get.
Anyway … arguing over the last play is pretty much irrelevant. Fact of the matter is we shouldn’t have been in that situation in the first place. We should’ve been up by 20 in the 4th and playing Petro and the likes for the last Q. I would rather attack GK’s inability to get the team fired up at the beginning of games and get them focusing on their D, especially in the 1st half … rather than attacking his choice of play for the last second shot. Those are much bigger flaws that he should be focusing on. Let’s hope he gets it sorted out for the next game.
PS … you comparing Melo to MJ? … seriously? I love Melo, but let’s be honest with each other … he’s no MJ. Nor will he ever be. Nor will anyone ever be.
The MJ thing was hyperbole. The point was/is/and still remains – get the ball to your best player.
And this isn’t a hindsight 20/20 thing. Give the ball to your best player.
Stop over thinking this.
If you want to be clever, be clever about HOW your best player gets the ball. Or be clever in recognizing where the help is coming from and exploit that.
DO NOT avoid getting the ball to your best player.
If you want to quote Karl’s resume, I give you his 1st seeded Sonics losing, his inability to draw up a successful in bounds play TWICE! – and now this logic defying decision.
I have to stop taking this bait. But it’s soooooo frustrating, because this decision was so unbelievably stupid and yet, somehow, it’s ok cause he’s been a coach for X amount of years. Which, I guess, works at my job as well – cause there’s a guy here who’s been doing his job for years – he’s terrible at it, but who am I to question it – he’s been doing it for a long time.
Well, if I worked with someone that sucked at his job and thought I could do it better … then I would definitely tell him so, regardless of how many years he was doing it. All I said is I’m not ready to second guess an NBA coach that has been doing that job for a million years. I guess you don’t have a problem with it. You obviously know a lot more about b-ball than I do.
I still think it’s stupid to go to your best player ALL the time – also because every situation is different. but, hey … that’s just me. Let’s just agree to disagree.
Hindsight is 20/20
Alternate ending: Melo misses a contested shot and this morning everyone rips him apart for being selfish and not dishing it to Swish or Mr. Big Shot. We shouldn’t have been in such a tight spot at the end of that game anyway. It’s possible that GK did draw up a different play that CB ignored and, rather than throwing him under the bus afterwards, stood by CB’s decision. That scenario would suggest GK has no control over his players, another topic of concern on this blog…
by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 11, 2009 9:40 AM MST up reply actions
I don't see passion
It’s part of the job of a head coach to take the blame for team shortcomings. It can be unfair but the best coaches understand that and don’t make excuses, some will gladly direct criticism to themselves and away from their players.When your team isn’t playing hard, gives inconsistent effort on defense and makes fundamental mistakes repeatedly then it is an indictment of you as a coach.
by runningdonut on Dec 10, 2009 9:48 PM MST up reply actions
And it will continue
Until he gets a clue as to what to what to do
Does it make sense to you not to give Melo the ball for a clutch needed shot.
This illustrates how Brilliant of a coach GK is.
Well...
…we knew for a while that GK was a terrible coach when having to motivate his players. However, we thought it didn’t matter anymore because, last season, we had Chauncey. Now I’m thinking that’s not so much the case any more. Blaming 1 person isn’t going to help all that much. If each and every player on this team was SELF-motivated, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
And while I think Melo should’ve take tonight’s shot, I’m not ready to call him the best clutch shooter in the league. I gotta admit I still think that’s Kobe. Melo is better in the clutch if he’s been on all night, but Kobe is a guy that can go 2-15 the rest of the game, and still hit the game-winning shot.
But I still think Melo should’ve shot rather than Chauncey.
Kobe, statistically, is one of the worst
http://82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm
Kobe is 25% with the game on the line. The league average is 28%
Correction
League average is 30%, so Kobe is comparatively even worse.
Perhaps...
…but in a game that’s theoretically not rigged by the refs, stats mean less and less (up to a point of course)
I don't follow...
What do the refs have to do with clutch shooting?
Kobe, in the clutch, shoots 25%. 14 of 56
Melo, in the clutch, shoots 48%. 13 of 27
o_o
Did you not just hear about all the refs theoretically did to games in late game situations? If what we’re hearing is true, I wouldn’t be surprised if Kobe got a foul call on the game-winning attempt that Melo wouldn’t get. Hell, just having Kobe on the floor could guarantee a win in a rigged game. Where have you been lately?!
You are arguing based on things that might have happened in the past. You should go look up the numbers for how each player did at the end of close games (including how many fouls they’ve drawn) as opposed to making some convoluted reference about Donaghy to prove your point. Kobe is a great player, but the fact that he tends to force shots late in games generally makes him less efficienct when it comes to crunch time reliability.
The problem with this DET-DEN game is that GK let Chauncy’s Detroit past impact his decision making, which is very unfortunate.
So? As long as there’s the possibility that something like this could’ve gone down, i’m including it. And my point was just that if refs are rigging the games, there’s really no argument. And if it’s not rigged, then it turns back into a basketball game, where nothing is guaranteed, and stats matter less.
You’re still linking two unrelated issues.
The comment made by you was that Melo was NOT the best clutch shooter in the NBA, Kobe was. Factually, this is incorrect, and by a large margin.
Where you can argue statistics that quantify a player’s value as a whole (PER, adjusted plus/minus) are flawed, it’s hard to argue stats that are for a very specific situation. For game winning shots, the statistical proof (over the last 5 years, including the playoffs btw) is pretty much self evident.
Kobe is definitively NOT a great clutch shooter. Everything else that may happen is a different argument.
I will concede...
That overall Kobe is great at the end of games.
http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM
However, Melo is pretty good too, with a better overall FG % and a better 3pt %.
Melo could work on his FT shooting though.
And not to destroy your Kobe/LA/Ref/League conspiracy thing, but Melo has a dramatically higher FT attempt rate in “clutch” situations.
thats a more accurate representation
compared to just looking at FG% for strictly game winning shots
Leave Chad Billingsley alone!!!
Not hard to argue stats
Except you shld read the disclaimer at the top of the page on 82games.com that says the shot may or may not be a game winner. Could just be a player made a shot with 20 secs left. So the team could still lose if the other team makes a shot of their own afterward. Either way, the great discrepancy between Melo’s attempts and other marquee players attempts shows the greater discrepancy in who is actually called on to make these shots
Look at Kobe 's numbers in the playoffs
That’s where he gets the rep from. But Denver fans wouldnt know anything about winning big playoff games.
which rep is that?
The one of him being a complete and utter tool? Yeah … you’re right. He does get it from the playoffs. Good call.
LOL at this thugget fan deflecting the statement
with his personal problems. LOL at your IQ level
I was just making a joke
Why does every Laker fan gets defensive every time Kobe is mentioned?? It must be that extremely high IQ that you guys possess.
And, trust me … my personal problems have nothing to do with basketball, kobe or flaker fans at all. I was just stating a fact: Kobe is a tool …
I just hope we learn from these 2 losses
At least all the talks about K-Mart trades should be quietening down now. The man is the heart and soul of this team. And he’s the only one that calls the ‘superstars’ out when they don’t play some D. I can’t wait until he comes back.
Will this team “turn it around”? I dunno. This team has more talent than what I’m seeing out there on a nightly basis however, maybe we are expecting too much? This team won’t win 60 games – I just don’t think it is going to happen. With that in mind, 55 games? 50?
I’m relatively certain that this team will make it the WCF and lose again. We are definitely missing a big man and, IMO, we are missing a player that can consistently hit the mid-range other than Melo. CBill used to be that guy but he’s been erratic at best this year. Earl? AA?
This is the first time since the mid 90’s that I was anticipating an NBA season and I just get the sense that I am going to be disappointed. Hope I’m wrong.
IMO, The problem is..
A coach in all of his years who has never won the big one, at any level and the wavenstein sucks balls lakers
This is really worrying.
We simply cannoy win AWFUL and SHORTHANDED teams without K-mart.
This loss means Denver has lost 4 games against teams under .500, and Detroit was horribly shorthanded today, and they were in the 2nd of a back to back!
I just don’t see any excuse for this.
With these losses, stealing games at S.A and Portland is just useless
"Do not rest in defense. You can spend 24 seconds in offense on resting. If you do good enough on defense, you will be able to rest on offense."
re. K-Mart
If the Nuggets really just can’t win a single damn game without him, then that’s a big problem, as I would consider him to be extremely injury prone.
He's Called MR. BIG SHOT For A Reason
However he can’t
Drive the lane and get the rim
like Carmelo can
by InboundingLobPass on Dec 11, 2009 1:36 AM MST reply actions
ok listen
you want to know what the real issue is here?
Graham got zero fucking rebounds! in 17 min. not even one!
Lawsomz only 5’11" and he got 3!! in 15 min.
you’d think that being 8 inches taller would give you a BETTER chance at snagging a board or two…..
eight inches is almost the diameter of a basketball!
by InboundingLobPass on Dec 11, 2009 1:51 AM MST reply actions
I agree
Everyone is focusing on the last play (which was a terrible posession), but the fact of the matter is that it was the Nuggets play throughout the game that killed them. The play where Wallace steals it from Nene was just awful. That should never, ever happen.
Joey Graham was allegedly complaining about not getting minutes?! Did he do anything positive in his 18 minutes on the court?
by CSprings_Tommy on Dec 11, 2009 7:49 AM MST up reply actions
Trade is Necessary
Depending on our goals for this season, a trade may be necessary. If the goal is to make the playoffs, I believe this team, as currently composed, will be able to do that. I would predict a first round exit, however. If the goal is to beat the Lakers (which is my goal) the Nuggs are going to need another player that can rebound, defend the post, and score inside. This Nuggets team, as currently composed, is missing that piece and will has no chance against the Lakers in a 7 game series. No chance.
by ACEIII on Dec 11, 2009 8:44 AM MST via mobile reply actions
I noticed that Petro got some minutes last night. He sure didn’t distinguish himself, but on the other hand he wasn’t any worse than the rest of the Nuggets. I think the nearly 11 minutes he got last night should be the start of a trend if only to cut down on the wear and tear on Nene, Bird, and Kmart (when he gets back) particularly in games where they’ve got things well in hand (which they didn’t last night).
Last play of the game: Marlowe asked Hastings if they should go for the three or the two. I didn’t hear what Hastings said because I was saying that they should take what they can get. They needed a play with options so that if you get Melo an open three you take it, if you get a dunk for Nene you take it, whatever the defense gives you take it. Instead of a play like that, you give it to CB. Well he’s been clutch in the past and maybe he would have done better to have taken the three, but he was obviously trying to get to the free throw line. With what developed, it didn’t look like he deserved to go there. If it came down to free throws, I’d rather have CB there than Melo. If it comes to a clutch shot I’d rather have Melo take it. I would just prefer that it didn’t come to that sort of choice and you take what you can get. I don’t think the Nuggets should have had any reservations about going into overtime if they could have gotten it.
"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!" ...Homer Simpson
The entire team lacks any type of motivation
or will to want it. they can not play hard whenever they feel like it.
However, the 1 major thing that kills me is Birdman never FUCKING BLOCKS OUT. seriously, blocking shots is great but please BLOCK OUT and stop flopping around like a fish on land. man up and get a body on someone.
Now, now...
Let’s not start in-fighting. The problem is that we expect a contender and without another solid big, they really are not at that level. The evidence is in. We can enjoy the 54 wins and another playoff run but without the big, they are limited…especially when someone on the front line goes down.
Having said that…Melo should have gotten the ball on the last possession. You live and die with your star, and he’s the star, MVP candidate that scored 40 last night. Give hime the ball. Like a closer in baseball that throws 100 MPH…you don’t screw around with the curve come crunch time.
Good game by ’Cuse. At least their win salvaged my night.
by Pusherman on Dec 11, 2009 10:06 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Ever the optimist
I’m hoping these recent losses push the FO and Kroenke over the line to make a move for a big.
by Artimus Mangilord on Dec 11, 2009 10:32 AM MST up reply actions
Me too
I know Martin certainly helps, if he was healthy we migh have won the last 2 games, but that’s the problem, you can’t rely on his health. We have to have someone who can fill in when he’s out.
by GoldenNugget on Dec 11, 2009 3:47 PM MST up reply actions
not so sure
I don’t know if we can reasonably expect 54 wins the way things are going now.
by ParkHillNative on Dec 11, 2009 10:34 AM MST up reply actions
JR Smith
Man he was 100% knucklehead tonight, I think missing that dunk and then I think Atkins hit a 3 was the biggest play of the game, it gave all the momentum to Detroit and Denver never really recovered.
One positive/frustrating thing is the nuggets did not play well tonight, they played to Detroits strengths and still almost pulled it out. Shows us how good they can be if someone can mange to light some fires under some asses.
And what is going on with Nene!!! He looked intimidated by Dalembert and to a lesser extent Wallace. He should be torching these guys, he is way to athletic and fast for them.
When you eat a candy bar or have a wonderful dessert, have a diet drink. The calories are cancelled out by the diet drink.
thing about him is
He’s always way better at home than on the road.
by ParkHillNative on Dec 11, 2009 10:34 AM MST up reply actions
The missed dunk ...
In J.R.’s defense … DaJuan Summers made a nice hustle play by running at J.R. … this caused J.R. to over-think the dunk and he tried to double-clutch as to not get his shot blocked b/c Summers was breathing down his neck.
Give Summers credit for hustling and not conceding a dunk.
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by Nate Timmons on Dec 11, 2009 10:38 AM MST up reply actions
It was Detroit... we know Chauncey is taking that shot
Problem is… so did Detroit. If we really wanted to steal a win (and yes, if we’d won, we would have classified that as a steal) we’d have used him as a decoy.
And yes, Chauncey is aging. Like it or not. I myself, do not like it, but it happens to all of us.
I’m just pissed we lost to a team missing Ben Gordon and Will Bynum. They were clearly short handed.
and Rip Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince.
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by Nate Timmons on Dec 11, 2009 10:39 AM MST up reply actions
Wow
I didn’t even realize it was that many people. That just makes it that much more worse.
by GoldenNugget on Dec 11, 2009 3:49 PM MST up reply actions
TNT
On Inside the NBA last night, after the Magic-Jazz game, they showed some Nuggets highlights and talked about it.
Barkley said something along the lines of “Those games against Charlotte and Detroit say more about the Nuggets than they do about the Bobcats or the Pistons. Losing to those teams? That’s disgraceful.”
Kenny Smith said “They’re back to playing like they did before the trade [for Chauncey Billups].”
by ParkHillNative on Dec 11, 2009 11:30 AM MST reply actions
I think I'd have to agree with both Barkley and Smith there.
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by Nate Timmons on Dec 11, 2009 12:08 PM MST up reply actions
I think I'd have to agree with both Barkley and Smith there.
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by Nate Timmons on Dec 11, 2009 12:12 PM MST up reply actions
I think I'd have to agree with both Barkley and Smith there.
by GoldenNugget on Dec 11, 2009 3:50 PM MST up reply actions
Pre-Jackson Lakers
Is it just me, or does this team feel like the pre-Jackson Lakers? All the talent in the world, but lacking the necessary focus, so they don’t win as much as they should, and can’t make it to the finals.
A bit of an overstatement...
I think “all the talent in the world” is a bit of an overstatement.
FYI – based on comments above, I have a 4 year old that behaves on airplanes and a one year old that, well, doesn’t. I’m trying to take the 4 year old to Nugs games to get him interested in the game and the environment, and people shouting f-bombs left and right don’t help (but the Nuggets dancers do). I understand every once in a while when JR misses a dunk or Melo gets his 3rd straight offensive foul while Nene sits under the basket picking his nose…but personal attacks on players and coaches are generally not good for the kid to hear. Just sayin’.
Suggestion
There should be a section for families.
how about underachieving?
And I recognize your concerns about language around your kids. I love kids, I come from a big family (3 siblings, 2 half brothers, two stepbrothers), and like nothing more than to spend time with all my nieces and nephews. I just wish more parents would recognize my desire not to have my seat kicked, my hair pulled, things thrown at me, or to listen to a screaming child for 2 hours because they are in a loud, unfamiliar, uncomfortable, and cramped environment. There are very few cases where air travel with an infant is absolutely necessary, people do it for their convenience. It should also be noted that the Nuggets do offer family night, which is a great deal on the price of tickets, and people should certainly watch their language on those nights.
This is what I was afraid of...
The newness of the Chauncey’s arrival corresponded to our own commitment from the players and coach to put defense first in the training camp. So, everyone bought into Billup’s professional approach and sacrificed for the team (we were 6 in opponent FG% last yr, I think). Now, players and coach have had 3-4 months off to fall back into their old familiar habits and have lost the defensive cohesion and intensity. Back to relying on our talent to win games instead or execution, hard work and cohesion.
The nuggets attitude is" Hey look how talented on our team is!! (Melo, Nene, JR, Lawson, KMart, etc. ) no other team can compare". Then they expect other teams to roll over…
Also, the nuggets have to learn something from the Lakers. How the deal with high expectations. We can’t always be the little engine that could! Others teams are marking their calendar when we come to town, What are you gonna do to match that intensity. Somebody need to pull a MJ or Bird, and hold them accountable. Who will step up if anyone?
My name is the One...
kmart out-start smith
earl played less than 30 minutes and had 7 rebounds. without kmart in the line up it will be a long night on the defensive end. smith’s missed dunk was a major buzz kill and momentum changer. the last 4 games show a lack of urgency in the first 3 quarters. kenny smith is correct about playing like before the trade for cb1. the other team cannot score when denver has the ball. jacking up jump shots early in the half court offense makes it easy on the other team. the game should never have come down to the last play. andersen inbounded the ball. the play was dictated by who chris threw the ball to.
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