Two ways to interpret a great victory... (Nuggets/Lakers recap)
After drubbing the Lakers by 26 points tonight, the Nuggets and their fans have every reason to be elated. But let's not read too much into this well played victory.
By getting their asses kicked in Denver tonight, the Lakers validated all of my complaints about the Nuggets onerous schedule featuring 22 back-to-back games. It may sound like an old gambler's cliche, but having to go on the road against a great home team for the second of a back-to-back affair is almost a guaranteed loss (unless you're the Nuggets going into Portland, of course...hey-ohhhhh!).
But just like I've been saying since the season started, even among great home teams some back-to-backs are tougher than others. But don't ask me, ask a true expert. When I had lunch with George Karl for our interview on Monday (I have to keep teasing that, sorry...at least I'm not making you all buy a book to see how our conversation went down like Bill Simmons did after finally meeting his favorite punching bag, Isiah Thomas), Karl made it clear that the worst back-to-back in the NBA is playing an 8:30 national TV game one night and then having to play at Denver or at Utah the following night.
In other words, the mighty Lakers fell victim to tough scheduling as much as a spirited Nuggets effort, which leaves us two ways to interpret this victory.
On the one hand, you might argue that this was a true statement game that put the entire NBA on notice that the Nuggets mean business at home. Even though most people expected the Lakers to lose (the Vegas line was Denver -2...not that I cared or anything), no one expected them to get shellacked by 26.
On the other hand, you could argue that having no Pau Gasol and having played late last night did the Lakers in before the game even started, and therefore this game means very little in the grand scheme of things. Sitting right across from the Lakers bench, I must admit that their we-don't-give-a-shit-about-this-loss-because-we-know-when-we-have-one-day's-rest-and-Gasol-back-we're-going-to-kick-your-ass look on their faces has me somewhat concerned.
The interpretation lies somewhere in the middle. The Nuggets showed the Lakers tonight that whatever fear or intimidation factor that once existed when facing the Lakers has all but evaporated. But both teams clearly knew this wasn't a fair fight and a more interpretation-worthy duel is sure to come down the road.
That said, the Lakers were ill prepared for both Arron Afflalo and Ty Lawson who give the Nuggets a new dynamic unseen last season. Lawson's thunderous fourth quarter dunk on Lakers center DJ Mbenga - more than being incredible (and right in front of me!) - means that this kid is full of surprises and the best it yet to come.
I could go on and on, but after traveling to four cities in the past seven days and seeing three straight Nuggets games in person, I believe I've earned a good night's sleep. And I'll sleep well knowing that we have a very good team on our hands for the second season in a row.
Photo courtesy of NBAE/Getty Images: Garrett Ellwood
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Wow that game was fun live!
Andrew, I was looking out for you, but I couldn’t see you. I was right behind the goal that Lawson dunked on in the 2nd half, so I assume you were close.
Just a little aside…when Greyson watches the Nuggets live in the Pepsi Center, they are 3-0, beating their opponents by a combined margin of 51, with JR (favoriteplayer, duh) contributing a total of 75 points. Not sayin, just sayin.
I’ll try again tomorrow to post something coherent. Too tired and excited now!
J.R. is my homeboy
by Greyson on Nov 14, 2009 12:54 AM MST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
when Greyson watches the Nuggets live in the Pepsi Center, they are 3-0, beating their opponents by a combined margin of 51, with JR (favoriteplayer, duh) contributing a total of 75 points. Not sayin, just sayin.
All right, that settles it. Let’s get a collection together.
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by FrankD on Nov 14, 2009 1:05 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
When I don't watch Nuggets games, we're 2-0
Well, I kinda peeked at the Grizzlies game…
"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway
by LACK on Nov 14, 2009 7:22 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
When I watch the Nugs they’re 1-0. :/
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Nov 15, 2009 12:01 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
What a win. The third quarter defined this one. Strong game from T-Law (that slam!) and a good showing by JR “My name is Earl” Smith.
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by FrankD on Nov 14, 2009 1:03 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I think JR is trying to become more grown up
Like Melo and Chauncey. So he drops the nickname. God can he shoot the lights out.
by wangstu13 on Nov 14, 2009 8:10 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Smitty the third
"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway
by LACK on Nov 14, 2009 9:51 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Unbelievable
I fully admit, I have been one of the Nuggets biggest critics on this blog thus far. I am naturally skeptical I guess. But after the victory tonight, it seems like all of the skepticism I have harbored over the last week has all vanished. I know it was only one game, but we kicked the s$%t out of what most people think is the best team in the league. I know the absence of Pau and the back-to-back played a large roll in the victory tonight, but we still trounced them by over 20 points.
I have to say, it was good to see Melo finally turn it on again. After the last few games I was worried, but I guess that’s just how things go in the NBA.
Afflalo has definitely won me over. I have seen a lot of dudes attempt to guard Kobe Bryant and that’s really all it ever seems to be is an attempt. But Afflalo locked him down for the most part and made Kobe work for every shot. I am elated with his play, and if I know George Karl, those are the types of players he likes. I am expecting Afflalo to start the rest of the season, and although I would like to see JR (or Earl the III) start, it seems like things are working out fine as they are with him providing instant offense off the bench.
Lawson’s dunk was ridiculous. I was in disbelief when I saw it. I just couln’t comprehend the fact that a 5’11 dude could get up so high, so fast and slam it down that hard. Unbelievable.
All in all though. Great game to watch if you are a Nugs fan. Too bad we have to wait 4 days for another.
by GoldenNugget on Nov 14, 2009 1:08 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
3rd quarter-29 to 8
this could be a future formula for denver. it is kinda like football. ground game in the first half then the forward pass in the second half. denver is deep and has various options and line ups. the first half play half court and force the other team to defend. second half open things up and play a fast break style of play. chauncey is still struggling with shooting. not everyone is playing up to their full potential right now. the win shows what the team is capable of AND every team has a bad game including the lakers.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
by nohoops4u on Nov 14, 2009 1:09 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Some thoughts on the game...
First off, great win! However, still some thoughts…
1. As much as the ESPN commentators thought otherwise, I find it hard to believe that fatigue was not an issue for the Lakers tonight. Coming off a game against the run-and-gun Suns, and having to play in the mile-high city is no joke. The Lakers looked flat-out tired, although a big chunk of it was our aggressive play tonight.
2. No Pau Gasol. I think you guys can interpret what I mean by that, ’nuff said.
3. Just like last season, we’re looking like a team that relies heavily on emotion, momentum, and the mental side of the game. We’ve been stellar at home, especially last season, but I’m not so confident now. First off, this game, against one of our most hated rivals, had a playoff atmosphere, and the fans at the game knew it. Would they have been as amped if we were playing another team? (Not to question the loyalty of the fans, haha). Second, our fans, like most fans, get pumped up about the ‘impact’ plays that the Nuggets make. For example, when Ty blows by someone off the dribble, someone hits a much needed 3 (even better if it’s J.R, Chauncey, or Melo), or a block/putback by Bird. My concern is that those kinds of plays seem to come less and less (especially by Bird, who’s ‘impact’ plays have been nearly nonexistent), and without them, can the home crowd get hyped enough the rally the team when they need it?
4. I got the feeling that GK coached an excellent game tonight. I was all for keeping the starters in for the first half of the 4th quarter, knowing that anything could happen in a full quarter’s time. I also liked the substitution of J.R. and Bird in for Afflalo and Nene when we had about a 13-point lead in the 3rd, even after a couple of excellent defensive possessions against Kobe for Afflalo and nothing wrong with Nene’s play. Showed he was going to be aggressive and put the game away as fast as possible.
5. Our end-of-the-bench players (Petro and Allen, and even Balkman and Graham) showed exactly why they don’t/shouldn’t get more playing time.
6. Hate to be a downer, but did anyone notice Ty crab dribble on that dunk? Oh, to hell with it, it was sickkk! :D
by Agaliarept on Nov 14, 2009 1:11 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
birdman
andersen had 11 rebounds in less than 24 minutes of play. six boards were on the offensive end. the only problem i had was his 50% free throw shooting. you are right about denver’s play at home. this is what i really like about andersen’s play this year. this type of play will carry over on the road where the wins will be harder to get. once he establishes his fundamental play as a matter of habit then let instinct take over.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
by nohoops4u on Nov 14, 2009 1:27 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Birdman at home
I think everyone remembers Anderson’s play during the playoffs. What seems to be forgotten that he was night and day when at home feeding off the crowd vs the road. Hopefully that will improve this yr, but The Birdman will continue to fly high at home – just haven’t had enough home games to see him shine.
Btw, when did we become the best FT team in the league?
by Boulder_Matthew on Nov 14, 2009 7:42 AM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Bird had his best game of the season
Also, GK coached his best game of the season. I think we all should back off him some after this one. Didn’t AC finally get his DNP CD? Fucking great game. One bad ass play after another. Melo’s D was amazing for the first time this year. Anyone see the Kmart block on Bynum? What a third quarter, the Pepsi center was blowing it’s top off for about 5 consecutive game minutes. GK out-coached PJ big time in this one.
by Gasus on Nov 14, 2009 1:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
AC was out with a hip injury, so not the DNP CD hoped for. Karl did have a great game though.
by KarlSucks on Nov 14, 2009 1:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not convienced that GK wouldn't have led the
Nuggets to self destruct if AC was able to play.
by samdman on Nov 14, 2009 2:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with everything but Balkman deserving no minutes
The man gets five minutes every third game and still makes great steals/cutters. There’s no plausible place I’d have put him in this game over Graham/Afflalo, but the way Karl uses him is still a shame.
Bleed Blue and Gold
by MileHighMonsters on Nov 14, 2009 3:06 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Afflalo?
Really…you must be joking.
by wangstu13 on Nov 14, 2009 8:15 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If Afflalo grows 4 inches and continues to improve, he'll be like Bobby Jones
And that’s something that Balkman will never be. Man, I wish Jones was still in his prime and playing on this team. He was like KMart without the onerous contract and with more offense. Not to mention his initials…
"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway
by LACK on Nov 14, 2009 9:53 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant
More minutes than they’re currently getting. Exactly my point, as good as Balkman is, in no part of last nights game should Balkman have REPLACED one of the rotation players.
by Agaliarept on Nov 14, 2009 2:46 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
One more thing
Did anybody else notice that we ran more this game? I don’t know if it was the altitude, or the back to backs the Lakers played, but it seemed as though we just ran them out of the building. I would really like to see more of that.
by GoldenNugget on Nov 14, 2009 1:11 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
If we can play with this energy and that 3rd quarter collective focus on defense, this team is for real.
Unfortunately, I don’t think we can play with that type of energy and can consistently focus on the defensive end like we did in that 3rd quarter as a unit like that.
The energy from KMart, Birdman and the guards helping the bigs on the boards were enough to combat our size problem. But you can’t count on energy in playoffs.
I really think we have to acquire a big man who can really rebound the ball, gives us size in the paint to legitimately contend for rebounding, instead of being sandwiched like Birdman often is by Bynum, Lamar, and Pau.
But what we have that we didn’t have last season are Arron Afflalo and Ty Lawson. It’s safe to say Arron has officially become our Kobe stopper, and his performance tonight could lock him as the starting SG for the season. Imo his defense is leaps and bounds better than Dahntay Jones. Ty’s speed, on the other hand, will give match up problems… he injects our offense with a whole new dimension… one that is almost the exact opposite of Billups’ slow-it-down, but perfectly complements one another. So, we add defense and speed.
But we still need another… we need (consistent) rebounding to legitimately be champion contenders.
by SnakefromHell on Nov 14, 2009 2:08 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
7 and 3 with 7 of the games on the road?
Isn’t that enough to say the Nugs are legitimate contenders? I think so…
by Gasus on Nov 14, 2009 1:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWkhvdCjUSs TY LAWSON OVER MBENGA
by 3ple2Ble on Nov 14, 2009 2:59 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
haha
didn’t catch that play. “that should be against the law SON”
by skithebert on Nov 14, 2009 8:38 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
After the Bucks loss I stupidly said
“the way the team is playing we could never beat the Lakers.” I am more than happy to look like an idiot. Go Nuggets!
Bleed Blue and Gold
by MileHighMonsters on Nov 14, 2009 3:01 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
There’s no reason to be so overly critical for a loss. Same goes for a win. Its one game out of 82.
by skithebert on Nov 14, 2009 8:40 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
AC Didnt even plAy in gArBAge time!!!! whiCh is still good
by 3ple2Ble on Nov 14, 2009 3:22 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
AC bruised him
Lawson: 13 pts, 6 assists in 21:44. Can AC do that?
"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway
by LACK on Nov 14, 2009 7:20 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
AC has a hip strain.
Sounds like an old-man’s ailment.
by NuggBuckets on Nov 14, 2009 12:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I talked a lotta shit to lakers fns tonite
la sucks, i live here i wear it
by nugg on Nov 14, 2009 4:09 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I missed the game tonight. But I caught the second half on ESPN’s replay, including Ty’s incredible dunk.
Two things: Excellent recap, Andrew. I agree completely about not getting too excited about this one win against a team that played late the night before.
Second thing: Did you see Ty get up against Mbenga?
Sorry.
by Fly Agaric on Nov 14, 2009 4:18 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
The one game this season which I was not able to watch, the Nuggets absolutely kill the Pauless Lakers
Ugh.
Pau Gasol would’ve made this game a lot closer, though.
AC was injured.
I just saw TyLaw’s dunk. Nasty
"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway
by LACK on Nov 14, 2009 7:20 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Afflalo's D vs Jones'
I agree, AA’s defense is intelligent, positional and he is a legitimate threat on the other end and has to be paid attention to. It did seem like Kobe had to work hard for his shots and that’s what we want.
D. Jones’ defense was intense, hard-nosed and over aggresive. A really smart player could get a lot of fouls on him and get under his skin.
by NugzD on Nov 14, 2009 7:20 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
AA on Kobe
Spellcheck did make Kobe work hard for his points, but it seemed like Kobe was still hitting almost everything he took in the first half. And in the second half it seemed more that the Lakers stopped getting Kobe the ball nearly as much. Which, I suppose could have been due to some good ball denial defense by AA, but it was at the other end from my seat and I didn’t notice that, but it may have escaped my notice.
by KC Gunner on Nov 14, 2009 10:07 AM MST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
but not against Affalo
They showed that stats at one point after halftime. He was something like 2-8 against afflalo in the first half.
by KarlSucks on Nov 14, 2009 10:20 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
kobe was 100% vs everyone else in the 1st half
All his misses (including an awesome airball :-P) came vs Afflalo. No denying it …. AA was big part of the reason Kobe scored 0 (zero) points in the 3rd quarter.
by zaf on Nov 14, 2009 11:14 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
AA should be nicknamed "The Battery"
"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway
by LACK on Nov 14, 2009 12:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Big Man
Anybody watch Jawai’s game for Minny? Granted he’s still rough but the dude is big enough to push some people around, and Minny needs some help at the guard spots. As much as I love our guards I’d like a tough big man more.
by NugzD on Nov 14, 2009 7:24 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Jawai is about as good as Petro
Your point?
"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway
by LACK on Nov 14, 2009 9:54 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I was at the TWolves-Mavs game last night
Jawai is good and had his way with Gooden, but he is sloooooow and I don’t think he would really fit in well with this current nuggets team. and the twolves need to stop running the triangle offense it’s horrible.
by NugNugz on Nov 14, 2009 1:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good write-up
And looking forward to the Karl interview.
Where were you seated? We were also across from the Lakers bench — in Sec 122, row 11 I think.
by KC Gunner on Nov 14, 2009 8:16 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I was in 122 too!
I split season tickets with a friend of mine and I always sit in 122, Row 1, Seats 11-12 so I just missed you. My next round of games will be the mid-December home stand. I’ll post it on the blog so I can meet some readers! What a night!!
Andrew Feinstein | DenverStiffs.com | denverstiffs@gmail.com
by Andrew Feinstein on Nov 14, 2009 9:21 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Anthony Carter - Inactive
Was this due to an injury or did Karl make the decision? I’m hoping he made the decision. If so, it’s the best news of a lot of good news from this game.
Afflalo was great, the lawson dunk was great, the third quarter may have been their best ever, but I want to talk about the coach. After the first few minutes of the first quarter, when they were down 8-0 and the lakers could have gotten it to 10 or 11 and he didn’t call timeout, Karl had a great game. He was often up off the bench being involved. I saw him coaching (Coaching!!) Afflalo during a free throw – he was actually on the court! During the timeouts when they showed him talking to the team, he was actually giving them specific things to do to improve – “We need the guards to start rebounding”. Great defensive game plan, involved throughout. Oh, and did I mention that AC didn’t play! Fantastic. Keep this up and I might have to change to “KarlsGreat”, but according to some on here Andrew already has that one.
by KarlSucks on Nov 14, 2009 9:27 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Nice to hear that GK was active
Always a good thing.
"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway
by LACK on Nov 14, 2009 9:55 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL - KarlSucks...
No, I don’t have “KarlsGreat” but I too noticed Karl as involved as ever last night. Working the refs, barking at his players, etc.
Maybe me needling him about this during our interview (that’s right, I brought it up face-to-face) got his attention? Hmmmm….
Andrew Feinstein | DenverStiffs.com | denverstiffs@gmail.com
by Andrew Feinstein on Nov 14, 2009 10:25 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good man Andy
You never know but imo, it doesn’t seem like a coincidence. We havn’t seen Karl that active since he first took over back in 04! I have to admit, if this continues, I might actaully be asking for a contract extention for the man, and I NEVER thought I would say that.
by GoldenNugget on Nov 14, 2009 11:44 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
GKs best game as the Nugs coach
Pretty amazing that it happens when AC plays 0 minutes. We all need to lay off GK after this one. If he starts bringing AC back for anything but garbage minutes then let the firing talk start again. But for now, GK deserves a reprieve from all the hate.
He was working the refs and being animated with his players. I can’t say enough about the substitution of JR and Bird for Afflalo and Nene. I could feel the momentum changing for about 1 minute before the sub and I started screaming at him to bring in JR. What did he do? He brought in JR and the Nugs resumed the route of the LA Lakers!
by Gasus on Nov 14, 2009 1:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
And Melo congratulated GK after the game
I don’t know if you guys caught the brief post-game interview with Melo … He said something to the effect of: It was a great coaching decision to keep him off the floor in the 2nd quarter, after he picked up his 3rd foul. And even though he was upset at the time, he understands why he did it … etc etc. It must be a big shot in the arm to GK’s confidence when your star player praises you for keeping him out of the game for so long :-P.
I gotta admit that it was indeed a great move … it left Melo with enough energy to dismantle the lakers in the 3rd quarter. Wtg GK!
by zaf on Nov 14, 2009 11:28 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta give credit when its due...
Regardless of what excuses the lakers can come up with, you cannot deny that the Nuggs play was reminiscent of last years playoff run (more notably games against dallas and NO).
Hands down the best ball movement, and defense so far this season.
When we play like that I don’t think any team under any circumstances can beat us. Lets just hope they can keep that unselfish play up.
by CCH on Nov 14, 2009 9:37 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Also
Didn’t we just play 7 road games in 9 days? Why make up excuses for the lakers, if anything our guys should be the fatigued ones, and when you are at sea level for 9 -11 days these guys have to get some what acclimated to the altitude again just like anyone else.
by CCH on Nov 14, 2009 10:12 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
GREAT point, CCH...
You’re right, the Nuggets just went through a tough road trip and sometimes it’s difficult to be sharp in that first home game after dealing with catching up with family, friends, business endeavors, etc upon coming home.
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by Andrew Feinstein on Nov 14, 2009 10:23 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
The announcer, a former player, said during the game that the hardest game was the first home game after a long road trip.
by KarlSucks on Nov 14, 2009 10:51 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're overestimating the WCF
this early in the season. Spurs are about as good as they’ve ever been, but not invincible. Mavericks and Suns are better, but New Orleans and Houston are worse. OKC, Portland, and LA is about as good as they were last year. I think a lot was made out of relatively few moves in the West and the Nuggets have more or less kept up. They just need time to gel and make last night a more standard effort. However, if you want to talk about teams breaking away you need to look at the ECF and the Magic. Holy shit.
Bleed Blue and Gold
by MileHighMonsters on Nov 14, 2009 3:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
We definitely lucked out with the playoff matchups last year
Mavs and hornets were IMO the two worst teams in the playoffs last year. We lucked out playing both of them. I don’t see that happening again. This year will be a tougher road to WCF.
by skithebert on Nov 14, 2009 3:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
True enough, but we did fight for 2nd place for a reason
I’m not saying it’ll be a breeze, but to say the Nuggets aren’t going deep in the playoff is more unrealistic than saying they’ll sweep the first/second round. Some teams look stronger this year and some look worse, by the playoffs it’ll balance out and we’ll know for sure whether the conference got as good as they were projected to. The only point I’ll concede is the amount of parity is much better this year than last and there doesn’t seem to be any teams limping through each game (Milwaukee, Washington, Sacramento, Clippers)
Bleed Blue and Gold
by MileHighMonsters on Nov 14, 2009 4:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops, these entire two posts were aimed at Alan_775
later on in the thread. lol my bad
Bleed Blue and Gold
by MileHighMonsters on Nov 14, 2009 4:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
On the crowd at Pepsi Center...
It was so late when I wrote the recap that I forgot to include my “view from the not-so-cheap seats.” One thing I should have pointed out was that the crowd always stinks when the Lakers come to town (remember how AWFUL the crowd was during Game 6 of the WCF?).
As always, about 25% of the attendees were wearing yellow and purple. And even worse, you could see so many wives and girlfriends that don’t go to a normal game all season, but guilt their husbands and boyfriends into taking them to the Friday night Lakers game.
Combining those two factors makes for a bad crowd, it’s indisputable.
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by Andrew Feinstein on Nov 14, 2009 10:38 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Pepsi Center Crowd
Is just to hostile when the Lakers come to town.
My friend invited me to go but I refused.
Just like I refused to go to the Bronco’s and Raiders game
I can understand passion but fighting doesn’t solve anything
Alcohol should be limited and anyone who causes an altercation should be fined 10K and two years in prison
by samdman on Nov 14, 2009 3:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
7-3 ... and an impressive seven and three that is.
Hey there Nugget fans.
A Boston fan here. Just wanted to thank you guys for knocking off the Lakers over there, for more than one reason.
First off, it’s a Laker W. I don’t have to explain to ya that we Celtics kinda love seeing those guys take punches, and as punches go, this was a solid right.
Secondly, I’m kind of loving your crew a lot at the moment. Melo is great, I’m kind of an Andersen fan and after watching this game, I’ve got to say I’m impressed with your D. As well as the previous point, it should be obvious why I like seeing good D. So you have my respect for that.
Third, and this relates to point two, I like how you handled Kobe. If you haven’t looked at the box-score and just saw the game, you’d think Kobe saw just 5 minutes of play. Very, very impressive.
Right, enough now, I’m gonna go sulk over how we lost to the Hawks ;)
Good luck in the season, and see you down the road.
- Dirk van Boxtel, the wandering Celtic fan.
@DaarisDirk
by Kiorrik on Nov 14, 2009 10:42 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
It is looking better and better for a Celtics vs Nugs NBA Finals in 2010!
by Gasus on Nov 14, 2009 1:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Right now, it doesn't look like the Celtics at all, imo.
I’m not satisfied with how we play. I think right now, in the east, there’s 2 or 3 squads that are better than the Celtics.
- Dirk van Boxtel, the wandering Celtic fan.
@DaarisDirk
by Kiorrik on Nov 14, 2009 1:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I think you are being a little too hard on your team. I believe the Celtics are far superior to any other team in the east. There is no chance that Cleveland or Atlanta are better so the only team they need to watch out for is Orlando.
You should be happy you have KG back. This is the Celtics Eastern Conference to lose for sure.
by Gasus on Nov 14, 2009 2:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It's ours to lose, but if we continue like this...
we will lose it, which was my point.
That said, yes, we are our own worst critics. Always be happy, never be satisfied ;)
- Dirk van Boxtel, the wandering Celtic fan.
@DaarisDirk
by Kiorrik on Nov 14, 2009 5:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome WIN.
pau-less and back to back, for the lakers, but it was still a great win.
hopefully the nuggs realized what happens when you play D, pass the ball and run it.
by 808inDenver on Nov 14, 2009 11:29 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Suns fan here
It was nice to see the Nuggets wax the Lakers on the second night of their back-to-back. The Suns had a similar situation going into their game against the Lakers last night. I contend that on a level playing field (i.e., same amount of rest) the Lakers aren’t 20 points better than the Suns night in and night out any more than the Nuggets are 20 points better than the Lakers.
But, hey, you play the ones that are on the schedule, right? And Ty Lawson… “That should be against the law, SON!”
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by Mike Lisboa on Nov 14, 2009 11:37 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I agree Feinstien!
While that game was great…it’s important the the Nuggets and their fans keep grounded and not read too much into it.
I think we were bringing the frustration of the conference finals into that game and LA just wanted to get home.
Nevertheless, that game was incredibly fun and I woke up this morning smiling. ;-)
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Nov 14, 2009 11:37 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting to see how the MSM has changed their outlook on this team after just 10 games
Prior to the season, I remember reading all over the place how the Nuggets were not one of the top 4 teams in the West. How even though they dispatched NO and DAL with ease in the playoffs, and playing the Lakers extremely close, that losing Jones and Kleiza had made them a worse team. No mention that they had one of the top steals of the draft in Lawson, and that Aflalo is really a poor man’s Dahntay Jones (except he’s better).
This from ESPN’s recap last night:
While so much was made in the offseason of how the Lakers augmented their championship resume with the signing of Artest, the Nuggets quietly improved their versatility and offense with the additions of Arron Afflalo and Lawson and the subtractions of Dahntay Jones and Linas Kleiza.
by Hizilla on Nov 14, 2009 12:37 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Face it
Good win, but I hope it doesn’t give the Nugs a false sense of security. They currently do not have the depth to go deep into the playoffs, and this unusually bad performance by the Lakers might have increased the Nuggets’ blindness to that fact. I hope they wake up before it counts.
Great game for the Nuggets. Good to see Smith back and Lawson was awesome.
But seriously: WTF is J. Petro still doing on this team? The only reason the Nuggets should be paying this guy money is to provide some comic relief at halftime. Any time he comes on, it’s like “send in the clowns.”
by Alan_775 on Nov 14, 2009 1:31 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Nice first post!
They have more depth in their roster this year than last. Was a 6 game WCF deep enough for you?
by Gasus on Nov 14, 2009 1:33 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
that was last year
the Western Conference is much stronger this year, and while the Nuggets’ have improved, they haven’t kept pace with the league’s improvement.
by Alan_775 on Nov 14, 2009 2:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
They're keeping pace in the WINS column!
What else really matters?
by Joelsopinion on Nov 17, 2009 1:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He's gaurnteed the Vet min and is here to stay.
Just like AC, Graham and Double A
by samdman on Nov 14, 2009 3:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Melo is now a man, and I love to see (most) Lakers fans leave quietly
I think one of the keys to the game was keeping it close and/or ahead when Carmelo sat with his third foul with about 4 or 5 minutes left in the second quarter. His intense look on his face heading to the locker room at halftime (he was the first one to leave the court) was one of sheer determination to shake it off and come back guns blazin’. He did, scoring 9 out of the Nuggets first 13 or so points in the 3rd. Didn’t commit another foul until late in the 3rd or early 4th. I truly believe Melo has his sights set on ‘that golden ball’. After all the questions, doubters and hard knocks he’s brought on — rightly or wrongly earned, this is the year that he grows into that true legit elite NBA player. It’s sad that Melo didn’t go to the line late in the game last night, because I would’ve been yelling “M-V-P” at the top of my lungs… to shut those obnoxious Lakers fans up (especially with the “got rings” shirts).
I do think it’s a shame to see Balkman lose his confidence, due to Karl’s lack of playing him at nothing better than garbage time. We extended his contract, so why can’t he play some minutes (I’m only asking for 6-8 a game!). You never know when an injury can happen or you need to develop a deeper bench for the playoffs!?!
And about Birdman… I did see more effort from him last night than any of the previous games. One basket or two free throws (he missed the front end of a one and one), and he would’ve had a nice double double last night. We’re only 10 games into a long season, guys… lighten up on the Bird.
by timoptic on Nov 14, 2009 1:36 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think they shoot one-and-ones anymore in the NBA. In the ABA and I think maybe in the NBA they used to have 3 to make 2.
"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!" ...Homer Simpson
by Thursty on Nov 14, 2009 2:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re correct. He missed both free throws at 5:18 pm in the 4th quarter, after getting fouled during a shot. Thanks for the correction.
by timoptic on Nov 16, 2009 2:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about Balkman
He needs to see the floor.
by GoldenNugget on Nov 14, 2009 4:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Laker fan here....
Congrats to your team for the win yesterday. This has become a fantastic semi-rivalry IMO and this beatdown just gives it more fire! Hopefully the next 3 games between us will be alot closer and hopefully we’ll meet in the playoffs again for another EPIC series. Again, I know that we didnt have a our 2nd best player and we were on an extrememly tough back to back, but I wont make excuses. You guys executed better on both ends of the court and played like you actually wanted to play a basketball game last night, unlike the Lakers. I was also impressed by Afflolo’s defense on KB but just let me warn you of something here: Kobe WILL study this guy and find ways to get his points on him. DO NOT underestimate Kobe’s ability to adjust to any type of defensive player on him. I’m not sayin this to be a Kobe homer or to disrespect Aaron’s defense or anything, I’m just sayin the facts. Remember how a few years back, people declared Ruben Patterson “The Kobe Stopper”, after he forced him into a tough night for 1 GAME in the regulaer season? I remember the very next game, Kobe annhilated him and we never heard from this guy ever again. Anyways, great game for ya’ll but WE WILL BE BACK!!
by desecrator09 on Nov 14, 2009 1:43 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
You will be back
But if the games are fair the Nugs and Lakers will go 7 games. If the Nugs can top the Lakers record in the regular season I put the Nugs in the Finals. I think it will come down to who has home court as the Pepsi Center is one of the , if not the most, toughest places to play in the game.
by Gasus on Nov 14, 2009 1:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Great homecourt over there
You guys got a better crowd than us thats for damn sure and that altitude is fucking killer. But we’ll see what happens. I still think that we’re the best road team in the league, along with Boston but theres no doubt ya’ll can win in L.A. as you showed last year. Its gonna be interesting to say the least….
by desecrator09 on Nov 14, 2009 2:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
difference between nuggets and lakers fans
nuggets fans clap their hands. lakers fans rattle their jewelry. (thanks to john lennon for the inspiration for that post)
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
by nohoops4u on Nov 14, 2009 2:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
haha yeah
Plus I hate how those rich fuck celebs always take up all the good seats and they arent even real fans of the Lakers. All the real fans are the ones up in the upper decks who cant afford those bullshit ticket prices. I really hate Staples Center sometimes….
by desecrator09 on Nov 14, 2009 2:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
welcome to the club
playing back to back and not having one of your best players. been there and done that for the first 7 games of the season. nice to see others acknowledge the feat.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
by nohoops4u on Nov 14, 2009 1:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks man
I hate how these Laker fans are such assholes sometimes and act like they are never supposed to lose. THey act like we HAVE to win a title every year or the season is a bust. Thats an incredibly selfish and unrealistic way to look at things. The chances or winning a title are extremely low and its incredibly difficult. It gives Laker fans a bad name when they act like this. Just wanted to let ya’ll know that not all of us are like that. Its just amazing that some of them think that if we dont win a title EVERY YEAR then we have completely failed and the season is a complete bust. Wtf is that?? I like using this quote from C.A. Clark at SilverScreen and Roll, “Expectations rarely become reality, so when those expectations are met, they should be greatly celebrated.” Haha that was pretty deep huh lol. Peace!
by desecrator09 on Nov 14, 2009 2:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
ruben patterson haha
Leave Chad Billingsley alone!!!
by shaqfor3 on Nov 14, 2009 10:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The first home game
upon returning from a long road trip is typically a difficult game for the home team. Not as bad as a late night back-to-back perhaps, but notoriously difficult. So give the Nuggs. some love. They played team ball on both ends of the floor, dishing out 28 assists and holding the Lakers to 23 second half points. The defensive rotations were solid, the ball movement crisp and the free throw shooting excellent. GK had the right players in at the right times, gotta give him his too.
Let’s hope they can maintain this level of intensity for the rest of the month and win the games they should win.
by My3Cents on Nov 14, 2009 2:07 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Great game by a great team
I agree, it’s too early and can’t be taken out of context. A win this early is just that, an early season victory. Not having the Spanish caveman in the lineup gave the Nugs a distinct advantage. Bynum was pretty dominating in the paint, and with a healthy Gasol, the Lake joint would’ve been tougher last night. Either way it was a good win against the defending champs.
I must admit that their we-don’t-give-a-shit-about-this-loss-because-we-know-when-we-have-one-day’s-rest-and-Gasol-back-we’re-going-to-kick-your-ass look on their faces has me somewhat concerned.
That’s sig worthy.
Afflalo and Lawson are a nice shot-in-the-arm tandem.
"Those guys were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked" - Homer defines the Bears '09 season in less than 12 words.
by propheteer on Nov 14, 2009 4:48 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Dear Andrew Feinstein,
Thank you for raining on my parade.
"I intend to kick your ass today." - Denver Broncos legend Tom Jackson
by wtnelson on Nov 14, 2009 10:59 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Fantasy Land
You people should stop fooling yourselves. You know that this win for the Denver means nothing. In fact I reject the latter and submit that this game meant more to the Lakers than the Nuggets. Did you see how the silly Nuggets jumped and danced around like they had just won a playoff or finals game. It is that emotion that will cause them to crumble like always in the most important moments. If the shoe was on the other foot and the lakers were cruising; do you think they would have been acting like some school boys or acting as though they had been there before. The Nugget played the best they could ever hope to play, the lakers played the worst. When is the next time you think the lakers will get 8 points in a quarter or Kobe will go scoreless in a half. Do we really thing Affualo is capable of shutting down Kobe (lets see, J.R smith, Bruce Bownen, Artest, raja bell, etc. all laid to waist) you people only harm Affualo when you make this statment, because it will only fuel Kobe who was obviously just off. I wont even talk about the Gasol; who brings a whole other dimension to the game, and the laker bench, moving either artest or odom to the bench. I look for Artest to try to murder Melo, for his no one can stop me, ala MJ, comment. People its one game, the beginning of the season. Think, clowns like Birdman, and Marting were making 18 foot jumpers. Oh yeah, there will be no crowd to feed off in LA. Dont forget you lost to the Bucks already. Bottom line, the Nuggets, They are who we think they are.
by lakerdom on Nov 15, 2009 7:16 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
All the excuse making from the mainstream media seems to have gotten to your head. From the example you’ve given us of how your head works, that doesn’t seem to difficult.
Kobe just had an off night eh? So how many off nights is he entitled to? He’ll never have another off night against the Nuggets? You’re a classic example of how the media and the fans of teams that have won championships always make excuses for what your team did wrong or had an off night or a key player was missing, it’s always something went wrong with your team, never anything the other team did. That’s why people who live in the American heartland loathe the Lakers and the Celtics; as well as their fans.
If you think that was the best the Nuggets can do, you’re in for a big surprise. The Nuggets are still working out their rotations with a rusty JR back. Afflalo (whose name you can’t spell) and Lawson are still working on fitting in while making a big impact. Bird and Martin were making jump shots because they’ve been working on that part of their game. That wasn’t a fluke. You really think Artest is going to try to murder Melo? We’ll just rack that one up to your lack of writing skills, but also to your lack of critical thinking skills. Artest accumulated 5 fouls early on in an attempt to guard Melo. That’s what Melo does, he gets to the foul line even though roughly 70% of the time he gets fouled there’s no call.
You need to go back to your Flakers blog where I’m sure everyone is glad to hear your excuses.
"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!" ...Homer Simpson
by Thursty on Nov 15, 2009 10:21 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thrusty
Why waste your time responding to sore losers?
by samdman on Nov 15, 2009 12:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
King of the Hill
Well you keep hoping history will change, meanwhile we have history on our side. Check the record clown. Count them 1,2,3,4… and counting.
We’re supposed to believe these cats have all of sudden been practicing jumpers after 7+ years; yeah and I bet they are drinking milk too. Affualo, afflalo, aflac who gives a $%ish, he’s a nobody.
Remember, marshmelo had what 7 points in the first half, before Artest was forced to the bench with fouls, two offensive (nothing to to with melo). Hows that for critical Shirley?
Off nights for Kobe? Apparently not many, As you would expect from an MVP and champ.
But anyway heartland guy; you and the rest of the cats from loserland, sorry heartland, enjoy your Chicken Nuugettes. The rest of us on the eastern and western seaboard will keep counting rings.
by lakerdom on Nov 15, 2009 9:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
*golf clap*
Artest v. Ariza? I guess that one got settled in tonight in that sweet home loss to the Rockets. Artest is a clown and a big softie. Yeah, he did a great job on Melo tho… hahahah
by runningdonut on Nov 16, 2009 12:44 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
Your argument is that Melo was shut down in the first half before Artest was sent to the bench for fouls? Artest is a foul machine and can’t play defense w/out fouling. And Melo barely played in the first half because of fouls some of which were offensive. In the 2nd half and no longer in foul trouble, Melo took over.
Artest’s skills have diminished to a point where his greatest attributes are that he is very physical (some would say very dirty) and has 6 fouls to use. That’s it. Artest tried to bully Carmelo early and I think Melo responded, but unfortunately picked up some fouls in the 1st half. Artest cannot stay on the floor without fouling so I think it comes as no surprise he got into foul trouble. Bynum is usually the same way, but he looked good I must admit. I was most impressed by Afflalo’s ability to guard Kobe without fouling. THAT is good defense. Not the elbowing, grabbing, tackling, and face-slapping that Ron “6 fouls to give” Artest calls defense.
by skithebert on Nov 16, 2009 11:05 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
wow ... what a sore loser
First off, if you had read even the title of this thread, you would’ve realized that we’re not letting this win get to our head. We all know that the season is very long, and one win, even though an embarrassing one, is just that – a win.
Second, I saw the players’ celebration after the game, and I don’t think they were over the top … but, even if they were … so what? Are you that arrogant that you won’t even concede a little celebration to a team that just DESTROYED the so-called world champs by 26 points?
Third … yeah, we lost to the Bucks … so what? Not that we need any excuses, but the Bucks are pretty hot right now and we were playing our sixth game in 9 days, on the third back2back on the road. A loss by 6 points is not that unthinkable.
Fourth … if you think that was the best that the nuggs have to offer, you must be in denial. When is CB ever gonna shoot so badly in an important game? Dream on.
And here I was thinking that all the airballs that your “stars” hit would’ve taught you a little humility … guess I was naive in thinking that. Flaker fans will always be flaker fans. Oh well … I guess I’ll comfort myself with the thought that even after 2 days, you’re still thinking about the humiliation you suffered from our Nuggs. Haha. Sleep tight.
by zaf on Nov 15, 2009 11:00 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
no excuses man we lost
move on
Leave Chad Billingsley alone!!!
by shaqfor3 on Nov 15, 2009 11:01 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yessss
it hurts but its just 1 out of 82
by desecrator09 on Nov 15, 2009 12:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Recommend fan voting on ...
If you haven’t seen Lawson’s dunk, check out the link below. Andrew & Nate, may I also suggest posting a fan vote on who had the best comment after the dunk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC4UD3XWVcA&feature=related
“This should be against the law, son.” Mark Jackson @ 20sec
or
“Oh, all I want for Christmas is a Ty Lawson jersey” Scott Hastings @120sec
Good Stuff.
by nugz31 on Nov 15, 2009 2:52 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Loved watching this game.
Ty Lawson had the most ridiculous dunk since Carmelo on Millsap (Dwade on Varajao)!
Melo was actually playing ball in the 3rd (not just offense)!
And Afflalo played beautiful defense on Kobe Bryant. I dont care how many points he scored in the first half. AA was D’ing him up and I liked it.
by GottaLoveMelo on Nov 16, 2009 7:57 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Pau Pau Pau-erless
Only thing better would have been if he did it over the Euro caveman. I’m still smiling about that dunk. Looks like the roof damn near came off of the Can after that!
by Artimus Mangilord on Nov 16, 2009 3:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Congrats to your Denver Nuggets from L.A. Fan
Your team out played us. See you in the Final?
by CuChi on Nov 16, 2009 3:55 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

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