They're baaaccckkk ...
Much to my dismay, the Lakers have not moved back to Minnesota or been disbanded by the NBA. No, the only thing Los Angeles did this offseason was get better, at least on paper, by virtually swapping Ron Artest for Trevor Ariza for their upcoming title defense. The Lakers are still the favorites to win it all and they face the Nuggets twice (starting tonight) to wrap up the pre-season on national television.
You have to hand it to the NBA ... after not airing countless pre-season games we get to see the Nuggets on TNT and ESPN in a back-to-back all California series against the said Lakers.
The funny part to me ...
If the Nuggets play well in the first of the two meetings, Karl might sit many of his regulars to give them some rest in advance of the Oct. 28 season opener against Northwest Division rival Utah.
So, ESPN wants to air the Western Conference Finals rematch, but may not get any of the star power if Karl decides to rest his players. This is funny because you know ESPN wants the Melo vs. Kobe match, but we the fans will get a look at the reserves ... something many of us want! Bring on Ty Lawson, Joey Graham, Arron Afflalo, Johan Petro, Malik Allen, and Renaldo Balkman! It's just too bad James "Flight" White wont be around ...
Do these final two preseason games mean anything?
I don't put a lot of stock into preseason games. I actually got into an argument before the NFL season about preseason games with a friend. My friend thought preseason records counted as a tiebreaker come playoff time. As you can read here ... they do not. Luckily, if worse comes to worse in football ... you get to flip a coin to see which team advances to the post-season! Basketball has yet to employ the coin toss rule into playoff tiebreakers.
Anyway, if the Nuggets win both games or lose both games I will not let the outcomes sway my thoughts on the season in any way whatsoever. But it will be fun to get a look at each team tonight.
Questions heading into the game ...
Lakers: the "experts" pick to win the West
- How will the 35 year-old Derek Fisher look at point guard? Is Jordan Farmar or Shannon Brown ready to take the majority of the workload off the veteran? (Pretty similar question in Denver with Ty Lawson.)
- How does Andrew Bynum look? Is the big man healthy and returning to his pre-injury form?
- I'm expecting Kobe to still be Kobe ... even at 31 years of age. But is he still as explosive?
- How does the Lakers chemistry look with Ron Artest?
- Basically ... are there any chinks in the Lakers armor?
Nuggets: the "experts" pick to finish around 3.8 in the West
- Can Double-A (Arron Afflalo) or Joey Graham match up with Kobe? Can Melo?
- How do the Nuggets bigs attack and defend the Lakers bigs? (Especially Nene)
- Can Ron Artest handle Melo?
- How are the Nuggets defending the triangle? Is there a lot of switching? (Which I think cost the Nuggets Games 5 and 6 in the Western Conference Finals)
- How does the bench look?
- Who are the secondary scoring options outside of Melo, J.R. Smith, and Chauncey Billups?
So, I'll be looking for a lot of things in tonight's game. I think the Nuggets will come out tonight, knowing that if they play well it means reduced work tomorrow for some, and look sharp. I don't particularly care about the end result, but I do want to see Denver play team basketball, like the 34 assist night against the Timberwolves earlier in the week.
Tonight may be our best look at the regular season team Denver will put on the floor versus the Jazz on October 28th. So get to a TV and check back here around game time and join in on the game thread ... get ourselves a little preseason work in while we're at it.
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Switching
I completely agree on the switching. Somehow, they seem to get away with it in the regular season. Smart teams just keep running pick and roll until they get the matchup they want. Of course, sometimes they don’t have to switch, Karl just has A.C. guard Kobe to start.
I haven’t been able to see any of the preseason. Any wrinkles from Karl? Do they have an inbounding play yet? How has the defense looked?
Nobody has been able to see too much as of yet.
Tune in tonight on TNT or tomorrow night on ESPN … both games will be on TV.
Denver Stiffs.com: Defending the sovereignty of Nuggets Nation.
by Nate Timmons on Oct 22, 2009 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions
We'll be tossing out more thoughts after the games as well ...
Denver Stiffs.com: Defending the sovereignty of Nuggets Nation.
by Nate Timmons on Oct 22, 2009 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Stiff List
I know this is late, but how did the MLB schedule makers not make the stiff list? You have a playoff series where the first two games are played during the middle of the day on a weekday? The third game starts at 10 eastern for a team based on the east coast? And the fourth is in the 8th inning by the time I get home from work? Idiots.
I hope they play this as a regular season match up!
I will miss the first 2 weeks of the season. I need some real NBA basketball before I leave the country. After these two preseason games the only sport I’ll be able to watch is soccer on ESPN Deportes! GOOOOAAAAALLLL!!!!!!
Don’t let me leave the US without at least a decent memory sports.
PS
That pic of Pau at the top of the page is crazy.
“I got fouled on layup attempt, and i jizzed in my pants”
GO NUGGIES!
by Joelsopinion on Oct 22, 2009 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions
broncos preseason
were 0 wins and three losses with no turn overs on defense. the fourth game they start a rookie quarterback because the starter and second string quarterbacks were hurt. the first game of the regular season orton had to wear a glove because his finger injury was not healed. because i am originally from chicago i am the only guy in colorado that can remember this stuff. by the time the playoffs come around nobody will remember denver played the lakers let alone what the final score was in preseason. denver will not have a regular preseason because of jr’s 7 game suspension. they have a mini season within the regular season. preparing for that has to be the priority. they have 4 new players that need to learn the offense and adapt to the system. winning 1 or both games against the lakers means nothing if denver gets off to a bad start the first 7 games.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
Laker fan, here.
I’m not an expert, these are just my opinions, regarding those questions:
1. Fisher has looked the same so far. Farmar and Brown have actually shared the backcourt together; Farmar’s creativity and hustle have been impressive this season. Brown’s athleticism is still there, but his court awareness and feel for the Triangle is inferior to Farmar’s. Vujacic has been playing a little pg, too. The Machine got a haircut and his stroke is back, so far.
2. There are 3 things about Bynum that have impressed me. First, the effort is there. He’ll try to beat his man down the court and seal him under the basket. Second, the Lakers are making a concerted effort to reward his post-lane-sprints and low-block positioning with touches. Third, he looks remarkably smooth in the low post, combining nifty footwork and subtle head and shoulder fakes to set defenders up for a shot.
Defensively, he has used his length to challenge shots, but at the same time he is having a bit o’ trouble defending pick-and-rolls.
3. Kobe hasn’t looked too “explosive” in the preason. There seems to be a concerted effort on his part to experiment with more skill-based tactics. He has been posting up players a lot with varying degrees of success, and shooting with either hand. He has also made some excellent passes. I don’t know whether the experimenting continues past the preseason.
4. Offensively, Artest and his teammates are still figuring things out. Artest has racked up some big assist totals in a couple of games, but he’s also been criticized for being deferential to a fault. I look for LA to go to Artest when he has a mismatch in the post. Defensively, Artest hasn’t exactly been a game-changer, creating turnovers and such. He has been a very good rebounder thus far, though. With a little more seasoning and experience, chemistry ought to improve.
5. Chinks? Three come to mind. First, injuries to Gasol or Bynum. The former has played non-stop over the last 2 seasons; the latter has missed most of the last 2 seasons. Second, defending the pick and roll and point guard penetration. Fisher isn’t very quick; Farmar looks a little stronger but may not be strong enough to handle a guy like Deron Williams; Brown is strong and quick, so the Lakers hope he can become a stopper. Third, trouble with opponents which slow the game down and like to grind it out. The Lakers are at their best in open court games and have struggled against the likes of the Charlotte and on the road against Portland.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
by ignign*kt on Oct 22, 2009 4:57 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Hey ignign'kt ... thanks for dropping in and offering a LOT of insight.
Much appreciated … good stuff.
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by Nate Timmons on Oct 22, 2009 5:03 PM MDT up reply actions
no problemo
One thing i wanted to add: i believe the main reason the Lakers struggled against low-tempo teams is that their 3pt shooting was quite poor last season. You can’t be inefficient against those teams, so success will hinge on role players like Fisher, Artest, Farmar, Vujacic, Brown, and maybe even Adam Morrison.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
I really have a hard time seeing Morrison playing much or contributing
have you noticed if he has improved much or at all? I’ve got to think the Zenmaster asked him to meditate on his defense during the off season.
by Missing Lynx on Oct 22, 2009 5:49 PM MDT up reply actions
He caught fire in their last game.
However, Walton(backup SF) was injured. He may not get many minutes this season, but I have a feeling Phil may put him in situations where he needs someone to space the floor, even though Walton is the headier, more experienced player.
Defensively, he seems to still be a liability. He has been beaten to loose balls and probably couldn’t stay in front of most SFs.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
I can sympathise with the 'Stache
I can relate in that he is too slow to guard 2s and 3s, and too weak to guard 3s and 4s.
by Missing Lynx on Oct 22, 2009 5:59 PM MDT up reply actions
I saw that Kobe has been learning from Hakeem Olajuuon (spelling?)
and supposedly has a whole new array of post moves. He is savvy enough and gets enough whistles that I could see him being a force in the paint against other guards and even forwards below 6’10" or so.
Kobe is doin’ work.
I’m sure we’ll see some of his post moves during the season, but I expect it to be situation based and not a go-to thing that he tries to establish as a staple of his game.
by Missing Lynx on Oct 22, 2009 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions
In a couple of games
he has used that Dream Shake to set up an up-and-under-move or drop step. I’m not sure how effective it will be because some defenders are better off just letting him take a tough turnaround jumper. If the Lakers go big(Artest/Kobe backcourt which I have yet to see) he could be a handful for shorter players in the post.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
If Karl ever decides to put AC on him again
Kobe will take him down low and PUNISH him in the paint. just like he punishes him at mid-range. and the perimeter. and on the break.
sigh.
He does well for a guy thats older, slower, 5 inches shorter, and far less skilled – but really, George? Really?
by Missing Lynx on Oct 22, 2009 6:01 PM MDT up reply actions
jordan's bulls vs. barkley's suns
during that series dan majrle could not guard jordan on the perimeter. after awile it looked like a jordan lay up drill. the suns switched kevin johnson to jordan. bulls put jordan on the high post of the triangle to take advantage of kj size. the suns stayed with kj on mj because they thought jordan was less dangerous with his back to the basket from 15 feet than facing the basket from 30 feet. this is just the natural evolution of the triangle ala jordan and to accomadate other players like artest.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
As far as Artest -
I’m sure that him deferring to other players and looking to pass is an effort to blend in well with the team and get guys comfortable with him. He knows what people say about him, and I’m sure there was/is still a little bad blood between him and some of the other Lakers – even if we’ll never hear about it and no one will acknowledge it.
5-10 games into the season once he gets a little more comfortable and team chemistry builds, I expect him to be able to demonstrate more individual scoring. I bet his assist numbers do go up this season though – I see him fitting in quite well on the triangle offense as well as the fast break (triggered by the Lakers ability to defend the passing lanes and having a generally OUTSTANDING outlet passing ability on the team).
by Missing Lynx on Oct 22, 2009 5:47 PM MDT up reply actions
He also doesnt NEED to score.
He essentially has Ariza’s role. He doesnt need to be looking for his offense.
by GottaLoveMelo on Oct 23, 2009 6:13 AM MDT up reply actions

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