Warkentien: "If we get stuck, Big Bertha's coming out"...
Speaking with the Denver Post's Chris Dempsey, Nuggets vice president of basketball operations Mark Warkentien says: "If we get stuck, Big Bertha's coming out", alluding to a big move if the team struggles this season. I don't doubt Warkentien's willingness to make such a move, but if the Nuggets November 3rd trade exception expires...how many clubs are left in the bag?
When Warkentien mentions "Big Bertha," I assume he's referring to the Nuggets $9.8 million trade exception received as a result of several moves, including last November when the Nuggets brass astutely shipped Iverson to Detroit for Chauncey Billups, Antonio McDyess and Cheikh "Magnet" Samb (who will eventually be a great trivia question down the road: can you name all three players the Nuggets traded A.I. for?). Meaning, the Nuggets can circumvent the NBA's trade regulation of salaries having to be within 125% of each other by tacking on up to $9.8 million to make a trade work for a high-priced, impact player.
Sounds good, right? The catch is that that trade exception expires one year from the date of the trade. In this case, November 3rd, which is two weeks from today. I simply can't imagine the Nuggets playing so poorly by November 3rd that Warkentien would pull out "Big Bertha" while he's still eating leftover Halloween candy. Moreover, the Nuggets seem to be back to fiscal prudence, having made lateral moves over the summer to keep the team Western Conference Finals-caliber while not adding the players (read: salaries) needed to best the Lakers. And thus, I suspect that November 3rd will come and go without the Nuggets exercising that hefty trade exception unless a can't-miss, once-in-a-lifetime, you'd-be-an-idiot-not-to-make-this-trade offer comes along.
All is not lost on the trade exception front, however. Lest we forget that Warkentien has two other "clubs" to deploy, courtesy of the Chucky Atkins trade from last January and the Steven Hunter trade over the summer. The Atkins trade left the Nuggets with a $3.24 million trade exception in its wake, expiring on January 5th, 2010. And the Hunter trade brought back $3.7 million to Denver in trade exception funds. In keeping with the golf club name analogies, I'll call these exceptions "Billy Baroos" ("Caddyshack" fans will get the reference).
While you certainly can't do as much with a $3.24 or $3.7 million cushion as you can with a $9.8 million cushion, these two exceptions - which cannot be combine to acquire one player, but can be combined to acquire multiple players - give the Nuggets brass the flexibility they need to make a substantive move should the season start coming off the rails for whatever reason. Something none of us foresee at this juncture.
So to recap, I wouldn't read into Warkentien's comments too much and I expect "Big Bertha" to stay in the bag. But maybe we'll get to see a "Billy Baroo" or two used before the season is over. Oh, Billy, Billy, Billy...
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I know its a huge gamble,
but I’d love to see them snatch up Stephen Jackson with “Big Bertha” right out of the gate if at all possible.
Not much of a gamble if you ask me
I think it is a lock for the West Finals and a damned good run at the Championship if the they add him without giving up too much.
i agree
we should take advantage of GSW predicament, i read they would even throw in a 1st to get him traded
If they really want to dump him . .
How about a Martin for Biendris and Jax trade (and we can give up a future first)
Not sure I want to add Jax to Denver and that would be a whole lotta salary, but Biendris / Nene / Melo / Billups / Affalo for a 1st unit and Andersen / Balkman / Jax / Smith / Lawson for a second unit would be darn impressive. Bring on the Lakers.
Nice balance with 2 big time scorers in both units, a legit third option and two great role players to do the dirty work.
Jax starts for Denver if he is brought here
Dude can ball. Great defense and he is very versatile offensively. It leaves JR for the explosive bench scoring and the only person who gets hurt by this move is Affalo so they might as well include him in the deal.
Afflalo is a beast
Have you watched him?
"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway
SJ
He’s a veteran, but also unpopular with his young teammates. We don’t need another negative influence on the team. Also, if we get him, we’re gonna be getting another 18 million or so in salary after you factor in the luxury tax.
"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway
Use the trade exception...
…and pick up Brendan Haywood from Washington. He’s in the last year of his $6M contract, so there’s no long-term repurcussions.
Plus, the Wizards have two young big men (McGhee and Blatche) that I’m sure they want to get on the floor. McGhee gots tons of upside and athleticism.
Haywood would be a rotation guy and give the Nuggs four top notch frontcourt options, and is great injury insurance. He’s a great shot blocker / rebounder too. Toss in Malik Allen to make it work.
He could guard Bynum and Duncan in the playoffs too. makes too much sense.
by 12-piece Nuggets on Oct 20, 2009 12:38 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed on Haywood...
I love this idea!
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by Andrew Feinstein on Oct 20, 2009 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Playing pretend GM...
…it’s what I do!
by 12-piece Nuggets on Oct 20, 2009 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions
The Wizards won't trade Haywood
He’s their best center and they have stacked their roster (going well over the tax) because they believe they’ll compete.
He would bring 10 points and 6-7 rebounds
More importantly, he’d be another big to throw at the opponent. BTW, Johan Petro is a failure. There’s no way he’s going to improve much, and he sucks evern more than Yi Jianlian at everything related to basketball.
"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway
Is he better than Malik Allen as a one-year rental?
The trade exception is just wasted. If Nene or Martin goes down, I’d want 7-feet, 275 pounds worth of insurance…but that’s just me.
by 12-piece Nuggets on Oct 21, 2009 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions

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gortat- do the math
denver cap number= 75.4 million. trade petro and balkman comined salaries=3million plus the 3.24 million trade exception for gortat@ 5.8 million. denver’s new cap number is 78.2 million. gortat’s contract is for 5 years for 34 million. stephen jackson is 4 years and 35.4 million. with melo and jr jackson’s skills are redundant. what ever he gives you on defense his constant drama cancels it out. denver needs rebounding and defense under the boards. nene has solid shot selection, does not know the plays , how to set a pick and cannot block out. gortat wants to be a starting center in the nba and nene wants to be a power forward.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
I like this idea too
Though I’m not sold that Gortat deserves the contract – I only see his ceiling as being slightly higher than that of a Joel Pryzbilla type player (though theres nothing wrong with that).
I would still be happy if they managed to do this – but it makes NO sense for Orlando.
by Missing Lynx on Oct 20, 2009 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions
orlando
matched gortat’s offer because they did not want to lose him for nothing. balkman is what they need a defender that can rebound and run the court. balkman salary is 2.2 million which is 3.6 million less then gortat. with the tax they save over 7 million. petro’s deal is not guaranteed so they can cut him. pryzbilla had 16 rebounds against denver 6 on offense the last game they played.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
Why is Gortat good in your eyes?
I see him as a Raef Lafrenz type player who is over paid an a “Stiff.” I don’t see a reason to bring him in for that kind of money. Jackson can fill in at 3 positions and is a very savy defender. He would be a good fit on any team in the NBA if he doesn’t run into the stands again. Billups should be able to show him how to win like he has Melo and JR.
money money money
lefrenz was a finesse outside player and gortat is a physical inside player that has been playing against dwight howard. i will tell you this right now denver does NOT get jackson without giving up jr smith. jackson’s contract numbers start at 7 million and go up. gortat’s numbers start at 5.8 million and END at 7 million. i have given a factual reality base senario where the numbers work AND denver gives up the least amount of talent. billups is a hall of fame point guard and not a baby sitter and psyciatrist. gortat can come to denver and fit in and contribute. jackson is a major head case with tons of talent. denver needs to be able to match up with the lakers big 3, tim duncan, portland’s bigs and the bigs in the eastern conference. nene had 5 rebounds and fouled out against portland. gortat is what denver needs. jackson is redundant.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
In five years, Gortat is making approx. 7.7 million
Ideally, a player paid at that rate contributes something along the lines of 13 points and 7 rebounds. With more minutes, Gortat could reach 7 boards, but nowhere near 13 points. He’s also going to be older, and his contract is going to be a pain in the 4th year. Isn’t this what they said about Desagana Diop when he got his mid-level deal?
"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway
The Magic aren’t trading Gortat as long as they’re contenders and as long as the Cavs have Shaq and big Z so let’s move on.
orlando will not pay almost 12 million
for gortat under any cicumstances. he will play 10 minutes per game. magic cap number is 81.56 million before tax. because they matched the mav’s offer he cannot be moved until the start of the regular season. dwight howard gets a season ending injury before the trade deadline is the only way they keep gortat.
pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow
Doesn't matter. . .
Denver can’t combine trade exemption with a player or other trade exemptions, so that trade doesn’t work. They could do a trade like that with the Iverson exemption (by Nov 3), but then you are adding double the salary and no dice is Gortat worth 12M.
Denver doesn’t really have any assets (picks, cheap players, cap space). Maybe, 2 months into the season some teams look to plan for the future and some Denver can make a play for distressed assets.
Yeah
I don’t want to lose JR Smith or Balkman in a trade, pretty much the best 2 trade assets the Nuggets have. That really limits what they can do in a trade.
by runningdonut on Oct 21, 2009 1:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Blakman is no asset...yet
Aside from an NBA standards low salary, Balkman is not an asset. Has anyone even been able to see his set of skills or his hustle outside of Nugget fans? No because he barely got a whiff of playing time last season. If the FO is looking to trade Naldo expect him to get a heap more minutes early in the season filling at PF and SF.
I don’t want either player gone. JR is only on the rise and Naldo (bless his lil Rastafarian heart) is like an adreinaline boost off of the bench. If he works through his groin injury that’s been nagging him he’s gold.
by Joelsopinion on Oct 21, 2009 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions
adreinaline rastafarian man persona ?
agree i like both players but you cannot get something for nothing. denver trades for stephen jackson they would have to give up jr and balkman. the salaries match up for cap issues. jackson led the nba in turnovers and shot 41%fg. the only thing left would be kleiza’s rights. denver does not dump salary then the tax kicks in.
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