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A great time for Denver sports...

Orton_mediumNever before in Denver sports history have the Broncos, Rockies and Nuggets all been so deserving of our support.  It's a great time to be a Denver sports fan.

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Before one of the Nuggets playoff games this past spring, I got into a cordial albeit somewhat contentious debate with Nuggets vice president of basketball operations Mark Warkentien.   Despite having just met, I couldn't help but bring up what a difference it was from the fans' perspective to root for the 2008-09 Nuggets versus their 2007-08 predecessors.  Even though the teams were separated by a mere four victories, I tried explaining how a team of character instead of characters will always win over the hearts of Colorado fans.

Warkentien turned the conversation back on me for having foolishly, in his opinion, condemned Nuggets head coach George Karl and the organization in general during a 50-win season in 2007-08.  His point was that I had no clue how hard it is to win 50 games in an NBA season.  I tried (unsuccessfully) to explain to Warkentien that it wasn't about the 50 wins, but rather the apparent lack of effort from the bench and on the floor, the routine off and on the court incidents that the players got themselves into, the fifth straight first round playoff exit and, the kicker, the sweep at the hands of the Lakers without putting up so much as a nominal fight.  

In other words, the 2007-08 Nuggets just weren't a team worth rooting for.  And the same could be said of the last three Broncos teams, most of the Rockies teams in the post-Blake Street Bombers Era up to 2007 and most of the Nuggets teams in the post-Dikembe Mutombo / pre-Carmelo Anthony Era.

You see, unlike our counterparts in larger markets like Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Dallas or Boston, Denver sports fans have always been rooted (somewhat) in reality.  We don't expect to win every game and recognize that our franchises, being located in one of the countries smaller markets by professional sports standards, are unlikely to outspend in order to win.  And thus, we live by a simple credo: as long as the players and coaches we root for care more about the outcome of the games they play than we do, we will support them with our dollars, time and emotions.  

It's not necessarily about wins and losses, but rather the effort on the field, on the court and in the locker room.  Hence why it felt better rooting for Jeff Bzdelik's 17-win 2002-03 Nuggets than Dan Issel's 40-win 2000-01 squad. And why it felt great rooting for Mike Shanahan's 8-win 1995 Broncos, but it just never felt right rooting for the teams he coached in his final three seasons even though they, too, were essentially 8-win teams on average.

In fact, since the Rockies arrival in 1993, I can't remember a time when we could honestly say that the personnel running, coaching and playing for all three of our favorite teams - the Broncos, Rockies and Nuggets (sorry, I regard the Avalanche like an adopted fourth child and don't know enough about hockey to comment on it intelligently) - genuinely cared more about winning as much, if not more, than we the fans did. 

Just months after the Nuggets completed their best season in NBA franchise history, we find the Broncos off to a stunningly wonderful 5-0 start, the Rockies in the playoffs for only their third time in team history (even though they're down 2-1 to Philadelphia) and a possible third straight 50-win Nuggets season that could see them make another Western Conference Finals.

But again, it's not about the wins but the guys producing these wins. Doesn't it feel better rooting for the young, energetic, workaholic Josh McDaniels than the arrogant, how-dare-you-question-my-authority, resting on the laurels of past glory Mike Shanahan? Shanahan became so entrenched as the Broncos "coach for life" that he had the chutzpah to build a 34,927-square-foot home that includes a bowling alley, a racquetball court (I didn't know people still played racquetball) and a shuffleboard table. I hope he has time to enjoy it when he's commuting to Denver from Dallas next year. And on the field, it's certainly more enjoyable rooting for the humble, team-first Kyle Orton than the cocky, me-first Jay Cutler.

Doesn't it just feel right hooting and hollering in support of Jim Tracy, knowing that he won't jerk his players around the batting order like his predecessor Clint Hurdle did?  And knowing that when the Rockies get themselves into a strategic pickle, Tracy's captivation of numbers and scenarios - you know, Baseball Managing 101 - will often lead the Rockies to the right place?

And on the hardwood, it sure was nice seeing George Karl take a "my way or the highway" approach to the 2008-09 season rather than the "I'll just enjoy this free courtside seat" version of Karl that we unfortunately became accustomed to from 2006 through 2008.  (I'm hoping that Karl's eruption on his players during a meaningless preseason game against Partizan Belgrade during the first quarter last weekend is a sign of things to come this year.  How many times have I and the readers of this blog begged for "Fiery George" to rear his head again these past two seasons?)  And it goes without saying that "lunch pail" guys like Chauncey Billups, Arron Afflalo, Chris Andersen and Renaldo Balkman make $300 worth of Nuggets tickets go down easier than selfish divas like Allen Iverson, Ruben Patterson and Voshon Lenard.

1997-98 remains as the best period in Denver sports history and will probably never be topped.  Back-to-back Broncos Super Bowl victories will do that for you.  But even during that time, the fact that those two Broncos teams each won more games than the 1997-98 Nuggets taints it just a tad.

2009-10 has the potential to feel almost as good.  Let's savor it while it lasts...

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Hell yea!!!

Rox are doin work, even tho they lost tonight, Nuggs will be great again this year, and Broncs are 5-0 and proving all the doubters wrong!!

I think we all deserve our very own ESPNDenver.com now, yes?? lol

MELO!!!

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by abaca15 on Oct 12, 2009 12:58 AM MDT reply actions  

Do you realize?

That these localized ESPN’s are like the Walmartization of sports coverage? It’s a shoe on the throat of the local media which is already hanging on for dear life.

IF they’d put some of the local guys on a permanent payroll of industry standard wages (guys who were recently put on the street with the closing of RMN for instance) that’d be one thing, but I don’t think that’s happened yet, or necessarily will. Am I wrong? Anyone know for sure?

Until I hear otherwise, KEEP OUT ESPN!

by stiffy on Oct 12, 2009 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't like it either

Something tells me that even if it were a localized ESPN we’d still get about an hour and a half of LeBron, Brady, and Yankee coverage whether we like it or not. Just watch the local guys over on Altitude, or listen to sports radio.

by Joelsopinion on Oct 12, 2009 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

view from chitown

being born and raised in chicago i am bias where it comes to shanahan. the deaths of 2 players AND the forced retirement of al wilson had a major impact. last season’s injuries to 7 running backs, the staring linebackers AND champ bailey explains the .500 record. shanahan not only HELPED bring denver 2 super bowls he also was the person going on tv to ask voters for a new mile high stadium. (that’s right i said it mile high stadium NOT invesco) jim tracy is a quality manager and a better person. his last job as a manager was in pittsburg. they have not had a winning season in 18 years. i think that experience may have played a part in being able to turn the rockies from a losing record into a playoff team. karl’s problem at the start was the players kiki v., brought in and gk was stan kroenke’ coach. the nugs began to turn things around after kiki was gone. it is very difficult for me NOT to root for the denver teams. there is no worse place to be on earth then the day after the broncos lose. the nuggets may have the perfect storm brewing. they need 2 more pieces to the puzzle and the world may witness an historic moment in basketball.

pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow

by nohoops4u on Oct 12, 2009 2:33 AM MDT reply actions  

Wtf? You are right Andrew.

That “lifetime guarantee” of a contract Shanny got must have thrown him in some sort of a psychic-cosmic wormhole in which he ended up back in the 60’s, cuz that’s the only excuse one should have for installing a shuffleboard table, bowling ally and racquetball court all in he same 34, 927 square-foot premises. Yikes, and I thought my grandma was stuck in the past. I just can’t figure out why I never saw him on the sidelines with some Craig Sager-esque apparel on.

Anyways, good read and good points. I too have been comtemplating this successful era of Denver sports recently. I am fairly young, so I don’t remember too much of the early 90’s or any time period before that, but in all my years of watching sports this is the best time that I can recall a majority of the sports franchises in Denver having this much success in conjunction with one another. I am still baffled by the Broncos, but even more baffled by the ignorance of the media and fans who continue to deny our success and use our record as a scapegoat for their argument, when it’s not even a legit one to use. Any way you want to dice it, the Broncos are making a case as legit contenders. The reason why; they are doing it with defense, just like the Nuggets did this past year. The Rockies, as great of a season as they have had, are done imo. The Phillies are just too powerful on offense. Again, this is only my opinion, but I thought tonight was a game we had to win in order to salvage the series. Like everyone here, I can’t wait for the Nuggets season to start. I don’t’ have tv in my new house so I haven’t been able to watch any of the preseason games but come October 27 at 7:30 ET if I don’t have any tv still, I am going to hold up the closest dish network provider til I get some installed, jail time or none. Overall though, this is a really exciting time to be a fan. I can’t wait till the basketball season cuz things are only gonna get better.

by GoldenNugget on Oct 12, 2009 2:48 AM MDT reply actions  

With all due respect to your non-hockeyness, I’d have to say the Ray Borque Stanley Cup was one of the most special moments in Denver sports. That was a fun team to root for.

by Fence on Oct 12, 2009 7:22 AM MDT reply actions  

Remember your Stiff List from a while back?

The one where you threw McDaniels and the Broncos under a bus.

"I believed it, until it made sense. Then things changed."

by Tempestuous Binary on Oct 12, 2009 9:45 AM MDT reply actions  

I didn't throw them under the bus...

I was simply calling out Bowlen, Cutler and McDaniels for botching the Cutler trade fiasco rather than handling it properly akin to how the Lakers dealt with Kobe Bryant in a similar situation. Even McDaniels has admitted he’d handle it differently if he had known what a douche (my word, not his) Cutler is.

Besides, the Stiff List has included a lot of guys we like to root for over the years. I’d hardly call it throwing people under the bus….

Andrew Feinstein | DenverStiffs.com | denverstiffs@gmail.com

by Andrew Feinstein on Oct 12, 2009 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

hey feinstein!

rick pitino should have been on the stiff list 3 months ago.

pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow

by nohoops4u on Oct 12, 2009 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Honestly, it didn't sound like that.

Maybe I took it wrongly, but it had the same pungent odour that came with 90% (more) of the Broncos comments that were made before the season started; i.e. Broncos don’t know what they’re doing, they suck, we’re all DOOOOOOMED!!!! (No pun intended.)
And wasn’t it about Brandon Marshall, not McJaywhatwhat?

Oh, I know that. I was just referring to this one specifically.

"I believed it, until it made sense. Then things changed."

by Tempestuous Binary on Oct 13, 2009 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm

I seem to recall you specifically said that they had “ruined the pro football experience in Denver”….

by Gr3yStreet on Oct 15, 2009 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

I love this Town!

I was in a bit of a funk because of the weather on Thursday, but a promising 5-0 Broncos team, the Rockies in the post season, and Melo going for 45pts, 9 reb,and 2blks in 24 minutes all while dishing out a few elbows and not laying down when the game got physical, makes the sunshine a little brighter. It is a great time to be a Denver sports fan whether you live here or not. Even the Buffs pulled out an upset win at Texas. Yep the Kool-Ade is a flowin’ in the old Mile High city.

by Joelsopinion on Oct 12, 2009 11:09 AM MDT reply actions  

Buffs got smoked

But hung in there enough to apparently cause some doubt in the Horns, dropping them from 2 to 3 in the polls.

by stiffy on Oct 12, 2009 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

They went from 14-3 at one point to 14-38 at the end

The Buffs are a mess. Hawkins needs to get outa there.

"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway

by LACK on Oct 12, 2009 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

typical

assuming buffs-win man persona.

pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow

by nohoops4u on Oct 12, 2009 5:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's a justified persona!

They had Texas on their heels ready to tople over, so I changed the chanel. I guess that’s the last time I put faith in anything that should be sure.

By the way that is a classic calling out a guy that knows next to nothing about collegiate football persona…For shame Sir.

by Joelsopinion on Oct 13, 2009 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Rocks got beat by Jason Hammel and Street

I hope they win 2 straight. And the Avalanche have lost two straight. But Denver sports is doing better than it usually has.

"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." -John Elway

by LACK on Oct 12, 2009 3:56 PM MDT reply actions  

PURE JOY!

Coach McDaniels showed pure emotion running around the field after the win yesterday.

Yorvit Torrealba showed pure emotion after getting a HUGE double in the 8th tonight.

We need that type of emotion on the Nuggs!

With thy watchwords, Honor, Duty / Thy high fame shall last.

by MizzouHoops on Oct 12, 2009 7:13 PM MDT reply actions  

stan the man

mr. kroenke is the emotional leader for the nuggets. if he does not calm down they will have to put him in a staight jacket. stan better watch out or rocky the mascot will be out of work.

pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow

by nohoops4u on Oct 12, 2009 7:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Denver fans want effort

Andrew – you nailed it. I’ve always stated Denver fans want effort more than wins. A classic example was Dan Issel’s first tenure, with Big Dik, et al. One year they won 42(or less?) games and packed Big Mac. The Denver crowd was 100% behind the nugs and the energy in that building towards the end of the season was electric. Give us stiffs and we’ll show up. Give us studs who are only interested in padding their stats, and no one will care.
Great sports town. I’m proud of it – except I heard the fans boo’ed the rocks last night – dissapointing if true.

by Namklak on Oct 13, 2009 9:13 AM MDT reply actions  

wtf andrew?

No mention of THE most successful pro franchise in Denver during the past 15 years …. the Avs?

Where will you be on October 1st, 2009 at 6:45 PM Mountain Time?

by Bob in Boulder on Oct 15, 2009 11:24 AM MDT reply actions  

no avs?

weak. 4 – 1 – 1 start to the season is worthless?

by thedoctor on Oct 15, 2009 12:24 PM MDT reply actions  

In addition

The Avs just drafted Matt Duchene with the third overall pick , who would be analogous to Carmello Anthony (also drafted 3rd in one of the deepest drafts in NBA history), only if Carmello had lived and died with the Nuggets as a kid. (Duchene gave a visible fist pump at the draft when he was passed by the #2 pick, because he was excited at being drafted by his childhood team).

They started with Joe Sakic night, One of the most iconic Denver Sports icons, and have parlayed that into a 4-1-1 start, reinvigorating a franchise that was hit hard last season with apathy. Die hard Avs fans haven’t been this excited for an Avs team since the Cup-winning ones of a decade ago, and the casual ones will come around very soon.

The Avs have the 4th youngest team in the league, their oldest center (Paul Stastny) is 23. And they care about winning as much or more than the fans.

To not take 5 seconds and e-mail your sister Avs blog, Mile high Hockey, (who have very good writers FWIW) to get a feeling of the excitement level of the team is inexcusable. You’re an excellent blogger, and you should be better than that. I realize we live in an ESPN world where hockey is treated like the red-headed step-child, but writing an article about Denver Sports and not including the Avs, a team with 2 championships and 2 parades of 1M+ people, is a pretty egregious oversight.

Especially since 10 minutes of research would have gone a long way towards strengthening your otherwise excellent point.

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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 15, 2009 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Matt Duchene ...

I listened to one of his first radio interviews in Denver after the draft. The kid sounded blown-away that he was now a member of the AVS. They asked him what it felt like to be here and he said the best thing was having his idol, Joe Sakic, call him up and talk to him after the draft. He sounded amazed that not only would Sakic call him, but that he was actually talking to him.

Hopefully the AVS youth movement will be good for the franchise and they can get back to their winning ways.

Denver Stiffs.com: Defending the sovereignty of Nuggets Nation.

by Nate Timmons on Oct 15, 2009 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks Nate

and straighten out your co-host for us here on this blog for us, OK?

Where will you be on October 1st, 2009 at 6:45 PM Mountain Time?

by Bob in Boulder on Oct 15, 2009 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

oh how I wish I could edit my posts sometimes.

Where will you be on October 1st, 2009 at 6:45 PM Mountain Time?

by Bob in Boulder on Oct 15, 2009 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ha, note to self: Don't anger the hockey fans.

While there could have been an addition of the AVS, I had no clue what kind of season they had to look forward to and just what six games in out of 82 we still don’t.

But at the time of the writing Andrew was spot on! Rockies were in the playoffs … Broncos have blown away expectations and the Nuggets are close to returning off of arguably the best season in franchise history … I don’t think given the AVS season last year that they are really in the convo here, but that’s not to say they wont have a great year and didn’t have good expectations entering the season.

I hope the AVS do great this year … I’m a hockey fan.

Denver Stiffs.com: Defending the sovereignty of Nuggets Nation.

by Nate Timmons on Oct 15, 2009 5:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Even if hey don’t win a lot, I still think it’s going to be an exciting year. This is essentially the Avs core for the next 5 years

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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Oct 15, 2009 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, a few of my good friends are HUGE Avalanche fans and have been talking the team up.

I’ll definitely be keeping my eye on them … hope Liles returns soon.

Denver Stiffs.com: Defending the sovereignty of Nuggets Nation.

by Nate Timmons on Oct 16, 2009 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nate = cool Nugget blogger
Andrew = ….. not Nate

Where will you be on October 1st, 2009 at 6:45 PM Mountain Time?

by Bob in Boulder on Oct 16, 2009 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

note to nate timmons

do not anger the hockey fans EH! only hosers do not like hockey EH.

pick up a calf every day pretty soon you will be picking up a cow

by nohoops4u on Oct 15, 2009 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

dontcha know...

That rug really tied the room together...

by Streams Of Whiskey on Oct 15, 2009 8:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

And furthermore

Here is where you lost me:

In fact, since the Rockies arrival in 1993, I can’t remember a time when we could honestly say that the personnel running, coaching and playing for all three of our favorite teams – the Broncos, Rockies and Nuggets (sorry, I regard the Avalanche like an adopted fourth child and don’t know enough about hockey to comment on it intelligently) – genuinely cared more about winning as much, if not more, than we the fans did.

“all three of OUR favorite teams?” This would assume that the Avs were a clear 4th in Denver, right? When, in fact, they held a sellout streak that the Nugs could only dream of ever acheiving? When they in general have had much higher local TV ratings than both the Nuggets and the Rockies over the years? When they have acheived levels success way above and beyond anything the Nugs and Rockies have and, in general, have also been more successful than even the Broncos?

Sure, they may be a distant 4th and adopted 4th child in your book, but I don’t think it is at all fair to project your view on Denver fans in general. Btw, when is that Rockies’ parade for their first round exit?

Where will you be on October 1st, 2009 at 6:45 PM Mountain Time?

by Bob in Boulder on Oct 15, 2009 1:38 PM MDT reply actions  

PS

Who was the most popular male athlete in Denver, by a mile, according to a Denver Post poll after John Elway retired? Peter Forsberg. Maybe the 3rd best player on the Avs at the time, behind two first ballot HoFers and all-time NHL greats.

Where will you be on October 1st, 2009 at 6:45 PM Mountain Time?

by Bob in Boulder on Oct 15, 2009 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's interesting how all of our teams have been turning heads

At the outset of last season, the nuggs were not expected to make the playoffs; in fact, it wasn’t even supposed to be a rebuilding year, it was supposed to be a falling apart year. Boom, best season in franchise history.

Everybody expected the Rockies to be a sheer disaster, and a major rebuilding year, coming off a terrible season and losing our best hitter AND pitcher, holliday and francis. Boom, best season in franchise history.

Everybody expected the Broncos to have a serious rebuilding year and for the first time I can remember, Broncos fans were optimistically praying to go .500 this year. Boom, 5-0 and counting.

Everybody expected the Avs to be rebuilding after coming off their worst season in history. It’s probably too early too tell, but I like what I’m seeing from the start, having already clinched at least .500 record on the most intimidating section of the schedule of the year.

So obviously the added bonus of being a Denver fan now is all the LOWWW expectations we’ve been having, and in response the teams go out there and shock us. Sick.

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