Anger Management for Nuggets Fans
The Nuggets have come under a great deal of criticism so far this offseason. In my opinion most of it has been miscast. I have been disappointed in the reactions that many fans have had towards what the Nuggets have done over the last five or six weeks.
I am tired of reading some of the same old thoughtless garbage everyday and I guess I want to try to talk some sense into some of the Nuggets fans out there who are as down on the team as ever. Here are eight arguments that I have seen in one form or another that I think are either incorrect or downright ignorant.
1. Stan Kronke is a cheap skate that is not willing to pay for a winning basketball team.
Let’s start off with this one because it makes me very, very upset. Like washing my hands only to realize I have to take a leak upset (you know, because I have to wash my hands again for the second time in less than a minute). Kronke can be criticized for a few things, but being cheap is not one of them. How many times has he prevented the front office from doing a deal because he was not willing to pay the extra salary? I believe the answer to that is not once.
Yes, he has ordered a cutting of salary for this season. Can you blame him? He shelled out about $100 million in salary and luxury tax payments alone for a team that finished eighth in the conference and earned exactly zero postseason wins.
I would be worried about Kronke if he did not demand that the Nuggets cut salary. The definition of insanity is doing something over and over the same way and expecting a different result. Bringing back last year’s team as it was would have been insane. Nuggets can rest assured that Stan Kronke will spend what it takes to win.
2. The
One of the problems with the Nuggets fan base is that they do not think in terms of winning championships. Many fans, and head coaches too, were thrilled with winning 50 games last year. The danger for the Nuggets, and many other NBA teams, is measuring success by relatively meaningless milestones like winning 50 games. I do not want to cheer for a team who measures success by anything other than championships. Most fans will say that is too farfetched. We should be happy with winning a playoff series or may be two. After all this is the Denver Nuggets we are talking about.
It is true that most championship teams have to work their way up the ladder, but hanging on to a flawed team in hopes that they can maybe squeak their way into the second round is a pathetic mindset.
Even though next season’s version of the Nuggets might be weaker than last season’s version, although if Nene can play 70 plus games there is no reason not to think that they cannot win 50 games and get swept in the first round again if those kind of “accomplishments” mean something to you, the future is brighter because they realized that changes had to be made.
3. The current management is incompetent and I have no faith in them to build this team into a contender.
Well, I cannot really refute this one. The current front office does not have a track record of building championship teams. In fact, their track record suggests that the chances of the current management team building a championship caliber organization is about as likely as Rick Mahorn getting beat up in a WNBA brawl and that is certainly a concern.
However, the transactions they have completed so far this offseason have been solid. I was very much against trading their first round pick in the 2008 draft, but I understand why they did it, which brings us to the next point.
4. Why did they trade their draft pick to save money when they knew they were going to trade Marcus Camby to save money?
Here is another criticism that really bugs me. The only way they could have dumped Camby’s salary was if a team with cap space or a trade exception was willing to bring him on board. When they traded the draft pick they had no idea, nor could they have foreseen the events that would transpire over the next two weeks, that lead to the opportunity to make the Camby salary dump. On June 25th when the Nuggets agreed to trade the 20th pick in the 2008 draft to
My point is that they had no idea that they would be able to dump $10 million off of their payroll at the time they traded away their draft pick. Even had they known they were going to be able to make the Camby trade they would have also known that they would still be over the luxury tax limit and they may very well have traded their draft pick anyway.
5. If they wanted to save money why didn’t they just fire George Karl?
Firing George Karl would have probably won them some PR points with disgruntled fans, but it probably would actually cost them money instead of saving any. The contracts that coaches sign are guaranteed just like the contracts that players sign. They may be able to work a buy out to reduce the amount they owe Karl this season, but then they would have to hire another coach and pay him. They may be able to save some money by buying out Karl and hiring a cheap alternative, but not enough to alleviate the need to cut salary.
6. How could they not get more for Marcus Camby?
Apparently Camby himself does not understand this one either. We have already beaten the importance of the trade exception to death so let me just redirect you to this post as an explanation for how well the Nuggets actually did unloading Camby.
7. Why did they give up two players for Renaldo Balkman? He could not even get on the court for the Knicks and they suck!
It is true that Balkman played limited minutes with the Knicks and his numbers are not particularly impressive, but he is exactly the kind of player the Nuggets need. If the primary problem that people have with him is he could not get more than 14 minutes of action on a terrible team, let me remind you all who the coach of the Knicks was during Balkman’s stay in
8. The front office has no plan.
This is another of my favorite complaints. You can say the front office is deficient in every way. You can say that their plan is a terrible one. What you cannot say is they have no plan. I guarantee you they have a plan. What the plan is and how detailed the steps are we cannot know. It seems clear from their actions that the first phase of the plan is to cut expenditures and stockpile assets. We are in the middle of that phase and to draw conclusions before we see how it unfolds is silly.
I understand the frustration of Nuggets fans. I too have been frustrated with this team from the top down over the previous couple of seasons. I believe George Karl has failed the Nuggets. The players have failed to do what is necessary to win. The front office has failed to put a championship team on the floor. That being said, I am not going to take an attitude of trashing them no matter what. If they do something right, I am going to give them credit for it.
So far they have done well taking advantage of unforeseen circumstances. Dumping Camby’s contract on the Clippers when
Honestly the biggest mistake that Mark Warkentien made this offseason was the chess versus checkers comment he made to the media. Despite the fact that his point was an appropriate one to make, it came across as condescending and gave fans, columnists and bloggers alike a line to mock endlessly. The truth is many Nuggets fans and media members have been looking at this from a far too basic viewpoint. This gets back to the issue that fans are reacting to these moves as if the Nuggets are tearing apart some dynastic force of a team.
The Nuggets do have a nice core of players. If management can find the right mix of to fit in around them they certainly have a shot at becoming a championship caliber team. It typically takes several years of careful planning, taking advantage of unforeseen opportunities, taking well thought out risks and some luck to build a true contender.
With the acquisition of Iverson the Nuggets took a risk with the intention of creating a contender. I give them credit for that. I can tolerate taking a good risk that ultimately fails as long as the goal is to win a championship.
What I cannot tolerate is a team that is content with losing every year in the first round of the playoffs and the moves the Nuggets are making is proving that they will not be content to just make the playoffs and I give them credit for that too. It may take a year or two to get back to where they were last season, but if the team they put together at that point is a truly contending team it will be worth it.
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I heard a rumor of possibly trading K-Mart to the Bulls for Larry Hughes….
I’m just curious what would you think of that??
Smart move trading Kenyon’s contract and medical history for a defensive minded guard??
MELO!!!
by abaca15 on Aug 1, 2008 12:39 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I read the same rumor
If the Nuggets are hoping to potentially have a shot in the free agent market after the 2010 season it would be a good trade, but I think that trade would weaken their roster probably even more than the Camby deal did. Hughes should not play much behind J.R., assuming they resign him, and Melo while Martin is a key player on this team. If their intention is to completely rebuild then I guess they make that deal. If it is to try to remain competitive while cutting some salary then they do not pull the trigger because there is no one on the roster who can replace what Martin does. Perhaps Nene could, but then who plays center?
From the Bulls standpoint, I am not sure how motivated they would be to trade for Martin. I imagine most of the league still considers him to be injury prone, it will take more than one healthy season to shed that label, and that contract to be an albatross. A Martin/Noah duo would be a very good defensive frontcourt. On the other hand Martin would not be a solution to the lack of a post scoring threat that the Bulls have been hampered by for the past few years. I have a difficult time seeing the Bulls agreeing to that swap.
by Jeremy on Aug 1, 2008 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
good post
I agree with your points. I get sick and tired of all the complaining. Yet it was just 5 years ago this team was horrible. Granted I would like to see them win a playoff series, but that they have lost to 2 eventual NBA Champs 1 West conf champ and another who went to the WCF, that makes it tough. But I do like the way they seem to be going.
I would not at all be upset to see Martin go. But I would be a little concerned about toughness if he does go. Now without Camby. I also might be off base on that assesment.
by broncfanstuckinsd on Aug 1, 2008 4:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Strong Post
I feel completely caught up to speed on the state of the Nuggets.
Green Bandwagon: Celtics '08 or bust. Are you on the bandwagon?
by Jim Weeks on Aug 2, 2008 12:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey Jeremy, just thought I’d pop my head in here and say that that (I hate it when the same word has to be said twice like that) was an awesome post. That was quite the breakdown of the current Nuggets Situation. I’ve been a long-time reader ever since it was known as BornANuggetsFan. Just been too lazy to actually sign up in order to post a comment, until now. Keep up the good work my friend!
by NuggetsFan47 on Aug 4, 2008 1:38 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for joining
It is always good to know that there are a few of you that have stuck around since the “early days” over at Born a Nuggets Fan. I am glad you signed up and I will look forward to reading your comments in the future.
by Jeremy on Aug 4, 2008 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with most of what was said in the main post. I agree generally with the sentiment that being content with making the playoffs each year, but maintaining only a slim hope of making it to the 2nd round is a pathetic mindset. however, i have a major problem with change just for the sake of it, and i have a problem with people equating change with improvement. i maintain it is impossible to say whether or not trading camby was a good thing until we see what happens next year. if our defence worsens, or if we do not make the playoffs, then by definition it was a bad decision. i dont stand for any of this “well we had to try something” bullshit. you dont give away marcus camby, period. prove me wrong in 08-09.
people seem to think “ok we embarressed ourselves against LA this year, therefore it was a failed season, a failed team and change is necessary”. but change doesnt always mean improvement, and if nuggets management dont do anything worthwile with camby’s $10m, then change in this case would be a step back.
also, i maintain that making the western conference playoffs this year was, in fact, a superhuman feat and one that i am actually proud of as a nuggets fan. if that makes me a loser in anyones mind, fine. we won 50 basketball games and got schooled by a superb lakers team. im not sure if suicide is really warranted
by joshhopp on Aug 4, 2008 2:32 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Change for the sake of improving
I agree that change for the sake of change is counter productive, but I do not think that is what is happening here. I do not believe the Nuggets will be completely deconstructed, but replacing older players like Camby and AI, with the right players of course, will keep the nucleus together while rebuilding for another run in a couple of years with a team that will hopefully have a higher ceiling than last year’s version.
The bottom line is it would have been a waste of time in my mind to keep this group together and while it may create a disappointing season or two if we come out on the other side with a younger and stronger team it will be worth it.
That will not happen if management is just trying to make Kronke happy with change for the sake of change, but as I said, I believe they have a plan that they are just beginning to implement. Whenever you try to retool a team the improvement does not usually come right away. There is always a bit of a dip when you try to change from one iteration of a team to the next. The key will be managing that dip and ensuring that it is a brief decline and the result is a better team than was in place before.
It is easier said than done, but it is a necessary step to take from time to time in the life of every franchise. The best run franchises can continue to build and rebuild while maintaining long term success. The Nuggets have not reached that level yet, but hopefully in the next couple of seasons they will.
by Jeremy on Aug 4, 2008 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
obviously i hope you are right. i guess i will always have a problem with my team donating its centre to a conference contender. if it works out for the better, great. but i dont see many free agents out there who we can afford and who will make us a better basketball team. i think now we actually HAVE to trade AI to free up enough salary to make a meaningful change. i suppose we will find out real soon.
by joshhopp on Aug 4, 2008 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, this is a classic fan site, because a franchise has imploded yet there is no substantial criticism. Sorry to rain on the parade, but the Nuggets have, with just these two items alone: not owning up to their George Karl mistake, and giving away Camby for nothing, proven that they are not a front line organization. They are an organization that has hoisted the white flag with respect to any chance at all of winning the Championship for the foreseeable future.
If Kroenke was subject to suddenly cutting and running from paying the luxury tax, then the Nuggets had no business paying a big luxury tax in the first place. That means that the Nuggets went about building their now dismantled 2007-08 squad in the wrong way. Instead of searching out opportunistic trades for and acquisitions of expensive veterans, the Nuggets should have been developing younger players via the draft. This could not have done with Karl as the coach, however, because he is hopelessly biased in favor of the “tried and true” veterans.
But since the Nuggets spent the big bucks and then did not have the stomach to follow that strategy through, or even to make a graceful exit from it, and since the Nuggets have most definitely not been developing younger players into a coherent system, they are now one of the few franchises without any credible development and improvement strategy at all. They have been reduced to acquisitions that are opportunistic but marginal, such as the Balkman acquisition. It’s almost as if the Nuggets are the hyenas of the NBA now, living off the scraps that the main organizations had no use for for some odd reason or another.
Kroenke went from one extreme to another: from paying a hefty luxury tax, to demanding a sudden and total elimination of his luxury tax liability. Roughly 99 times out of 100, when you go from one extreme to another financially, you are either admitting you made a huge management mistake that you are now correcting, or you are making a huge mistake with the big financial change itself. Specifically, the Nuggets have pled guilty to at least one of the following:
1. They should not have spent the big bucks in the first place because spending big bucks on “tried and true” veterans and “superstars in the making” is not a good strategy. It’s better to concentrate more on developing a critical mass of younger and far cheaper players, and to, while not ignoring them, more or less allow the big money veteran chips to fall where they may.
2. The Nuggets did not have the coaching staff, and/or they did not have the basketball system with which to get a good return form their investment.
3. The Nuggets in general and Mr. Kroenke in particular panicked in the 2008 off season, and by cutting and running from the luxury tax, they abandoned managing their investment before it could earn a substantial return, this return being in terms of respect for the franchise among the best players and managers of pro basketball. Such respect results in said players and managers gravitating to your franchise at reasonable salaries.
So how anyone can be sanguine in this situation is beyond me. Admitting defeat is the worst thing that can happen in Sports. And that’s exactly what the Nuggets franchise did in the 2008 off season.
This whole episode has taught me the folly of watching and writing about just one NBA team. Now I am trying to figure out whether I should write about the entire NBA as a whole, switch to a big market franchise that will never have a financial or managerial panic,,or compromise by picking about 4 teams to cover at a time.
by Nuggets 1 on Aug 22, 2008 8:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

















