What do do with Wilson Chandler
What to do with Ill Will...
Today on ESPN, there was a rumor about a certain small forward that is stuck in China right now concerning possibly trading him to the Raptors. Link as follows.
"Though he's over in China until his team's season is over, Wilson Chandler remains a restricted free agent with the Nuggets.
And when he gets clearance from the CBA, the Raptors may be in the mix to make a play for him.
From Steve Kyler of HOOPSWORLD: "Sources close to the process say the Raptors plan to make life hard on the Denver Nuggets with regards to Chandler ... Sources say that Jose Calderon and Leandro Barbosa could be moved to land a traded player exception or smaller assets to swap with Denver in a sign and trade ... Denver holds the power as Wilson is a restricted free agent, but Toronto has eyes for Wilson and seems willing to pony up the dollars."
As Kyler and others have noted, now that Danilo Gallinari has been inked to a sizable extension, Denver may be less inclined to match a solid offer sheet Chandler may sign with another squad.
But if he heads to the Raptors (or any other team) via a sign and trade, the Nuggets could at least make out with some assets instead of letting him walk for nothing."
This has been discussed a lot since the season started, and I am of the mind that Ill Will should be moved for picks or in some kind of package for someone who wants to play here. What do you think?
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Package him with Birdman
We don’t “need” him and signs point to him not wanting to play here. He’s still a pretty sizable asset and a S&T is a possibility. We could throw on Birdman’s contract on there and save our amnesty for later.
Signatures are for wimps.
by George Karl Marx on Jan 30, 2012 3:20 PM MST reply actions
If it's strictly for a salary dump I agree with the above
However I think the first goal should be to get real value for him. If the Raptors are that set on getting him, why not try making them give up a 1st rounder? Is that realistic?
Why is everyone obsessed with the amnesty?
Say you trade bird. Who on this roster, whose contract started prior to the current CBA, would possibly be amnestied? That leaves Lawson, Brewer, Harrington, and Mozgov, and only Harrington has a contract that runs past next year.
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 31, 2012 9:17 AM MST up reply actions
Instead of trading him and Bird in a package for other players
See if we can package both of them for a mid first round pick next year, that way we can get a lot of talent in next years draft to add to this young core.
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I just think “packaging” Bird wouldn’t sweeten the deal for any team. As great as it would be do rid ourselves of his salary, we couldn’t dump him off on somebody AND excpect a 1st rounder for Chandler.
Hmmm
I hate saying it, because I really did like last years AAA, but after reading his comments about this team being “his team” after the Melo trade, and the poor start to the season, I’m starting to think Rudy F. is more of a better fit to this team than AAA. AAA seems to work best as someone who can hit the open 3 pointer in a half-court system.. he hasn’t found his niche at all this year offensively. On the defense, he has not really shown up this year except against the big names like Kobe, Lebron etc.
Perhaps it is possible to trade Chandler and AAA for a low teens draft pick next year, that way we’d have two first round picks next year in a loaded draft. I’m not giving up on AAA just to clarify but I think that getting new crops of players would help this franchise with a lot of stability, it is already one of the most stabilized franchises for the future, but we can build on that.
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This is exactly what I'd propose
But I’ve been hesitant to express this opinion since most on this website will take a bullet for Afflalo
Chandler and AAA for Paul Pierce or Ray Allen or Eric Gorden!
by soloking on Jan 30, 2012 5:56 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
now you are trolling
Thank god you aren’t the general manager and those moves will never happen. Ever.
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Trolling ? Really. Sorry for having an opinion! I would like to see the nuggets improve at shooting guard. I feel that is our biggest weakness. But thanks for regulating the fan posts. Fine work.
by soloking on Jan 30, 2012 8:14 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not saying your deal is bad
I mean, I just think you should spice it up. Lets trade Nene and Gallo for Tim Duncan, move Lawson and Mozgov for T-Mac, AAA for Paul Pierce, Move Miler for Ray Allen so Karl and Allen can kiss and makeup, then we should trade Harrington, Rudy, and Brewer for Kevin Garnet, then we can go for Shaq to come back in retirement.
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by CloudBurst on Jan 30, 2012 8:26 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Pierce and Allen
would not be wise to trade for but I could go for Gordon. New Orleans however won’t be as inclined.
His deal isn't bad
It’s turrible!
Oh my. No thanks to old players on the down hill slide to their careers.
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Once again I’m talking about trading a guy that is not even on the roster and a AAA whom we probably over paid. As I stated 100 times I do not want to trade any of our core players. Must keep nene Ty and gallo. Try watching basketball sometime. Pierce still has it, he’s been playing great since his return. Miller is old and playing great. Its good to have a couple of vets mixed with all of the young talent. But go ahead and keep putting words in my mouth.
by soloking on Jan 30, 2012 11:27 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
EIther trade him
and make the team take Birdman too or trade him with Mozgov and a 1st for Bargnani
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Chandler, Moz and a 1st is a lot of Bargnani
Bargs is a good scorer but is not a true C and plays little defense.
Low Reb's are concerning
Especially since Nene’s not exactly a rebounding machine, but he does have 6 pounds on Mozzy…
But I don't know much about his defense
Admittedly haven’t seen much of him (or any Raptors) in action
He plays OLE'!!!! defense at best. LOL
by Larry Cunningham on Jan 30, 2012 4:32 PM MST up reply actions
no, please, make it stop!
Not Bargnani! He’s OK but his presence will come at a price. He’s Melo with out the toughness. Please no, no no no………..
As long as Nene
beasts up down low I think Bargnani would play well with him. A stretch Center with Gallo would either allow terrible missmatches or free up a lane for Gallo to drive once Bargnani hangs around the three and Bargnani has a nice post game. Offensively the team would be great but your right they may lose a bit on Defense. May allow more opportunities for Gallo to get some boards and maybe into the 8 rpg area
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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 30, 2012 5:17 PM MST up reply actions
The money doesn't work anyway
unless Toronto took on Bird too so a deal of Chandler (4 years 36 mil), Moz, Bird and a 1st for Bargnani rids us of Birdman in the process as well and allows Kouf to play out the contract he was given as a back up center and may allow for more minutes to give to Faried while adding a much better Center and allowing all the guards and forwards the same minutes which seems to be working right now. I don’t think Chandler is that much better than Brewer so why not turn Chandler into an upgrade at center and allow for players to progress if Toronto would even consider that… they probably wouldn’t.
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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 30, 2012 5:21 PM MST up reply actions
AND
you give Gallo, your future cornerstone player, a player from Spain which may help him sign the dreaded Unrestricted contract in 4 years.
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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 30, 2012 5:26 PM MST up reply actions
i meant to say
Italian… they are both Italian
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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 31, 2012 12:46 PM MST up reply actions
where the heck is Bargnani supposed to play?
Moz has to play center with more minutes coming. Nene is our PF. Gallo is SF. We may even have Wilson CHandler for stretch run. Where and for whom would Bargnani play for?
Center
Moz and Chandler would be traded for him.
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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 31, 2012 12:46 PM MST up reply actions
Oh, God, no
The Raptors would be instantly improved and we’d be instantly softer. Look I love Gallo but Gallo is not exactly hard. Pair him up with a soft Barnani and well, frankly, Nene would be bludgeoned.
i respectfully disagree
i think it causes and absolute matchup nightmare
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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 31, 2012 1:37 PM MST up reply actions
The offensive gains are not worth the loss on defense.
We are already the best scoring team in the league.
by Larry Cunningham on Jan 31, 2012 1:40 PM MST up reply actions
I'll go further Larry
I dont think there would be offensive gains
have you ever watched
Bargnani play?
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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 31, 2012 1:50 PM MST up reply actions
yep
crazy good outside shooter for a big but I wouldnt give up a good ham sandwich for AB, not for the Nuggets anyway. Other teams could use Barg, just not these Nugs
Man a ham sandwich sounds awesome right now.
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by love4nuggets on Jan 31, 2012 2:49 PM MST up reply actions
nightmare, yes
but is it our nightmare or their’s?
What About Trading AAA and Keeping Chandler as 2 Guard???
Imagine a lineup of Ty, Chandler, Gallo, Moz and Nene…..
That is an intriguing idea. I have though about this same thing.
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by The U.N. Fab Five on Jan 30, 2012 7:27 PM MST up reply actions
yes, I should have read your post befoore I posted
yes, I’m drooling, but I still want to keep AAA
Best one yet
Send Chandler, Bird and ??? For D12 as a 1 year rental. I would love to see what teams would do facing a line up of
Ty, AAA, Gallo, Nene, D12
Ouch!!!!!
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by The U.N. Fab Five on Jan 30, 2012 7:31 PM MST reply actions
Dear Fellow Stiffs,
I have a unique perspective on the 4 traded Knicks because I watched all 4 very closely during their Knick tenure.
After the Gallo trade I suggested you be patient with Gallo because the boy can ball and is developing. I was right, right?
I suggested you allow Moz to get acclimated to the NBA because he might just surprise you with his skills and athleticism and you could all see he has size. Even Stiffs who were down on Moz and preferred KK ( a very misguided take) must admit that Moz is worth developing. Just ask D Jordan.
I quickly got down on Felton and wrote scathing posts on RFelt who stunk up the playoffs big time. Now he’s underperforming at Portland. I was right, right?
OK, about Will. WC was almost as impressive, last year, on the Knicks as Amare was in Amare’s 3 month MVP-like run. Will outplayed Gallo by plenty.
Will’s stats dipped due to injury and trade rumours but we dont presently have a SG who can hold a candle to Will.
Will is a beast at 6’8" who can speed and fly and thunder, improved his jay tremendously last year. Will could play anywhere from 2 – 4, comfortably and really dominate good offensive players.
He’s done same to Kobe. He killed the Spurs while playing for us, with just his defense. If we could have put him on Billups, the other night, he would have smothered him too.
I love Gallo and think that Gallo will have a better career but Will brings a skill set and physicality that complements Gallo and would back up Nene, Moz et al.
Lets have Will play some SF for Gallo and SG for AAA. Bonus. If one of them should go down or play collapse, Will could easily move into their slot.
And frankly, though I love AAA, sometimes, I just dont know.
Imagine Moz at Center, Nene at PF, 6’10 Gallo at “small forward,” 6’8, fast, powerful, high jumping Will at shooting guard and bulldog Lawson at PG.
What’dya say?
by sgiustra on Jan 30, 2012 10:55 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Nah
Good post. But I just have too many bad memories of Chandler’s sulking and disappearing act in the playoffs. I love the idea of a sign and trade for picks — nothing else.
I don’t think Chandler would be a bad shooting guard for the Nuggets, but, unlike the rest of the Stiffs, I still believe in Arron Afflalo. Call me crazy.
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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 30, 2012 11:14 PM MST up reply actions
Probably not.
Have to give somebody the benefit of the doubt with such statements for now, and wait for the “joke” part of the post to be lamely explained away later.
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Baby, you’re hilarious.
No way are you serious. Unless you are trying to subtly hint that Nene is going to be traded away.
I could see Faried replacing Nene as the starter in, um, four years or so?
Could see Faried in a year or so anchoring a second unit with Brewer and Rudy and Stone, gobbling up rebounds and starting fast breaks. And getting on ESPN’s top 10 when he finishes a few.
But I don’t see Faried cracking the rotation unless it is garbage time any time this season at all,
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yeah and I'm very intrigued by faried but
what has anyone seen of Faried that them confidence that he will be a good pro?
Having great physical ability is a big plus but there’s so much more. Is anyone sure Faried has so much more?
Interesting rumor
But unless the Raptors swing a Barbosa or Calderon trade, Denver holds the cards with Chandler’s future.
What team would really want to add either of them? Only teams that could, without sending back salary, would be teams with a trade exception or teams with cap space.
The Kings and Pistons are the only two teams with a decent amount of cap space. Both have developing PG’s, and frankly, suck—so adding salary and talent doesn’t really make sense.
Denver, Portland, Dallas and the Lakers are the only teams with significant trade exceptions.
Denver is very unlikely to use their trade exception, obviously. Especially if it helped a team take a player later that Denver valued. Portland, the same. Both for salary reasons, I’d imagine.
Dallas is looking to shed salary, and gets not much of value by adding Barbosa. Would rather save that trade exception for someone more useful.
The Lakers are a possibility I suppose as they definitely need more punch to their roster. But it sounds like they are a lot more interested in Ramon Sessions then anyone on the Raptors.
Unless the Raptors work out a trade with Denver. Imagine Denver is going to match any deal that is remotely reasonable (even if they don’t see him as a long-term fit), if they think they can trade him later. Makes no sense to lose a player of value for nothing.
Don’t see the Raptors being a good fit as their draft selection is likely to be top ten. Likely way too high of a pick to give up for someone like Chandler. Maybe if they were willing to give up their 2013 1st rounder or something…
They still have their amnesty
Although that means they would have to take that money out of pocket.
Denver and Toronto could trade 1st rounders
as part of a Chandler s&t. That way the Raptors get Will and retain a pick in the 20’s (high 20’s, I hope). They would need a trade exception to avoid involving other players.
Chandler and pick 28 for pick 8 and TE, which might tempt them. And if the picks turn out to be 24 and 12, so much the better for Toronto. Who knows?
About AAA: he is out of shape and gimpy, but once at 100% he will find a way to contribute more. I agree he benefitted from frequent doubles on Melo, but don’t forget his stats went up after the trade. I think he’ll be able to adjust his role to fit the new roster.
I love Ill Will
But can’t imagine a team willing to swap pick 8 for 28. Especially, considering what happened to the Clippers last year (losing a chance to get Kyrie Irving). If the pick ends up being Drummond or Davis it’s a disaster for Toronto.
If they put protection on it, it’s not really worth much then either.
If there was ever a time to have WC it would be through Feb.
Our toughest stretch. If WC is content to be here, then you MUST keep him, he is perfect for our system because he is a jack of all trades, the only thing that would be worth trading for is a high draft pick in the next draft (i.e Toronto’s pick, whether this can be done, I don’t know). I would love to have a chance at Drummond, Jones, or Barnes. But these are all big ifs, I think ultimately we will find a place for him on the Nuggets
If T-Rob
Can learn to not travel every other possession, he’d be a beast. He’s had some great games this season for KU, but the last week or so has shown he’s very much a work in progress.
Orlando would do that in a heartbeat.
Nuggets and Dwight I don’t think would go for it.
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by love4nuggets on Jan 31, 2012 11:54 AM MST up reply actions
Dwight wouldn't
We’re not on his list of “cool places to play”
what about trading to get varejao?
good defensive minded big man that seems like he would fit in fairly well with this team
I've hoped for Varejao for a while now...
Ultimately though, Cleveland is fighting for a playoff spot in the weak Eastern Conference. Players and coaches will not want to move him, as long as the playoffs are a legitimate possibility.
Chandler would be a good fit in Cleveland if he wanted to play there.. and if Cleveland wanted to add salary. But even if all those things fall into place, Cleveland would still be trading away size. Usually don’t see it happening.
The 2014 Knicks first rounder has value but Denver would be insane to deal it out, considering how bad the Knicks look right now.
Since a trade is unlikely, I hope Moz gets a chance to increase his minutes as time goes on this season. He’s still the x-factor for our team.
Seems to me
that with the way Moz is progressing, by this time next year Moz will be at least as effective as Verajao. I don’t see why we’d trade Chandler, when we have a weakness at SG, for a servicable big man. I’d trade Chandler for a 1st rounder or a true, young upgrade at another position. If we can’t get either of these I’m sure we’ll just hang on to Chandler.
Don't want to make a knee-jerk reaction...
But I don’t see Moz as ever being a better defender/rebounder then Varejao. Probably irrelevant as I doubt they are able to trade for him.
Last two losses are probably wins with him… just saying.
IMO Nuggets absolutely must resign Chandler
I’ve been watching him here in China, and his jumper is lookin as good as ever

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