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Miller's return a godsend for Nuggets

Andre Miller's first stint with the Nuggets lasted from 2003 to 2007, three and just over one-quarter seasons, and his contributions were somewhat overlooked. Miller has been undervalued at every stop in his career. Consider that Denver traded Miller as part of the Allen Iverson deal during the 2006-07 season and add to that that 'Dre has played for six different teams (counting the Nuggets twice) over his 13-year career. Coming back to Denver now is exactly what this team needed.

Star-divide

During the 2003 off-season I was sure the Nuggets were going to sign the exciting young Gilbert Arenas away from the Golden State Warriors. The second year guard was also a second round pick who wore No. 0 as a scarlet letter of sorts for all the teams that passed on him during the 2001 NBA Draft. Arenas averaged 18.3 points per game and 6.3 assists during the 2002-03 season and seemed destined for big things in the League heading into free agency.

Kiki Vandeweghe had just drafted Carmelo Anthony with the No. 3 pick in the 2003 draft and teaming him up with Arenas was a surefire way to usher in a new exciting era of Nuggets basketball. It felt like a foregone conclusion that Arenas would be a Nugget. Then the free agency period opened and it was announced immediately that Vandeweghe had inked Los Angeles Clippers restricted free agent point guard Andre Miller to a 6-year $55 million offer sheet. Huh? Miller?

All I could recall of Miller was that his college team, the Utah Utes, had made a miracle run during the 1998 NCAA Tournament. A miracle run indeed as that team lost Keith Van Horn to the NBA; and then the next season made a run past the Mike Bibby and Jason Terry led Arizona Wildcats (where Miller recorded the fourth ever triple-double in tournament play) and played for the title against Kentucky. That was all fine and dandy, but this was the NBA and Miller was not a star in the making, like Arenas.

Miller posted nice numbers over his first four NBA season with 14.2 points and 7.8 assists, but he just didn't have the "Wow" factor. But the Clippers didn't match the offer sheet and the Nuggets had their new point guard. Miller had to be better than Kenny Satterfield, Carlos Arroyo, Chris Whitney, Junior Harrington (no relation to Al Harrington), John Crotty, Vincent Yarbrough, Shammod Williams, and Adam Harrington (no relation to Big Al) ... all guys Denver used after dealing Nick Van Exel.

And once Miller got to work for the Nuggets, he still didn't wow the casual fan, but he was a big time difference maker for Denver. During his 3+ seasons with the Nuggets he averaged 13.7 points and 7.5 assists. Miller didn't make any All-Star teams, but he was a steady player who could be counted on every night. Arenas on the other hand, during that same time span, averaged 25.7 points and 5.5 assists for the Washington Wizards and was an All-Star in 2005, 2006, and 2007. Could Arenas and Anthony of co-existed as high volume scorers? Who knows, but Miller was the team oriented and all-around player that the Nuggets needed, he just didn't have a partner in the back-court to compliment his game.

During Miller's led Nuggets years, the team depended on a variety of shooting guards and the team was always looking for ways to unclog the lane for Miller, Anthony, Nene, Kenyon Martin, and Marcus Camby. Voshon Lenard was about as good as it got for the Nuggets from beyond the three-point line. Anthony had yet to develop much of an outside game, he averaged just 2.2 three-point attempts per game back then ... compared to his 5.0 attempts per game thus far for the Knicks. The Nuggets' opposition used to just line up around the paint and the Nuggets were sunk.

The year Miller left town, the Nuggets had added J.R. Smith to the roster and shortly after that Arron Afflalo came aboard and the Nuggets have continued to develop into a perimeter oriented team that can also relentlessly attack the basket. Where were all these shooters during Miller's first go-round?

Well, the good news is that Miller's talents are now better suited to this current Nuggets team. Ty Lawson, Arron Afflalo, Rudy Fernandez, Danilo Gallinari, Corey Brewer, and Al Harrington are all capable shooters and even Nene and Timofey Mozgov have shown an ability to hit little jumpers.

Miller's slashing ability is sorely needed on a team that is comfortable heaving up shots from the outside. And Miller's creative passing and remarkable court vision have proved well already for the Nuggets. Gallo and even Chris Andersen have benefited from Miller's long range passes and as the Denver big men get acquainted with (reacquainted with in Nene's case) Miller's pinpoint passes and lobs, his talents will be even greater appreciated by not only his teammates, but by the fans as well.

I undervalued what Miller brought to a basketball team. I was excited when Denver traded Miller for a superstar in Iverson and it took awhile, but I realized that a true point guard is more valuable than any star. As soon as the Nuggets got rid of one star, in Iverson, for a true leader in Chauncey Billups - the team took off.

And now that the team has Miller back he's helping in many ways; there have been tales of him pushing Lawson in practice, his constant court chatter helps the team's communication, his slashing opens up the court for his teammates, his jumpers just outside the paint are automatic, his passing is incredible, his workhorse nature is commendable, and he's again filling up the stat sheets with 11.5 points, 6.7 assists, and 3.8 rebounds, and 1.7 steals per game in 30.5 minutes.

His role in Denver is a different one as Miller is now coming off the bench. But make no mistake, Miller's return to the Nuggets has been a godsend.

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Second!

you can’t be first and second thats just crazy talk.

I love Miller’s passing and Lobbing!

I had hoped to see more Lobs from Miller going to Mozgov but every time he’s in the lane and asking for it his teammates ignore him. Are his hands so bad that they just KNOW he won’t complete the dunk? or is there something else going on behind the scenes that we stiffs don’t know about?

by InboundingLobPass on Jan 3, 2012 7:59 PM MST reply actions  

Having a talented PG coming off the bench is an underrated asset to have on a team to either keep or start a good tempo. Glad to have a true team guy coming off the bench. I would take Miller over Felton as a backup PG any day of the week. Felton had his moments last year for us, but I think he would get carried away trying to do too much off the bench. He made a ridiculous amount of mistakes in the playoffs, and with George Karl’s perspective through baby-blue colored glasses, he would refuse to pull him out. Yet JR makes one mistake and the plug is pulled immediately…
Yes, I just turned a comment about Andre Miller into a rant about my disgust with GK over JR’s treatment. And no, I’m not necessarily proud of that.

Playoffs.... No Jim Mora, I'm not kidding you...

by manbearpig5000000 on Jan 3, 2012 8:00 PM MST reply actions  

Arenas and Melo on the same team

that is scary to think about, and I don’t mean in a good way

"Weltmeister!!" Zwei mal: 2010-2011...und weiter gehts

by Phil H. on Jan 3, 2012 8:16 PM MST reply actions  

So Nug Fans

Who would YOU rather see win. Portland or OKC?

by United Nugget Nations on Jan 3, 2012 8:21 PM MST reply actions  

Portland

All the way.

Their fans are nice when they come here. And I still like Camby. Even if his 17-foot crank is krazytime!

"Rollin' in the club / HAPPY MEAL"

by Fly Agaric on Jan 3, 2012 8:25 PM MST up reply actions  

The Bulls almost got beat

By the same Atlanta squad that stopped Miami’s winning ways last night.

76-74 or something. Low scoring game. Atlanta must be some crazy defensive power or something.

Wow.

"Rollin' in the club / HAPPY MEAL"

by Fly Agaric on Jan 3, 2012 8:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Really like having Andre Miller back

Best thing I like about Miller is how team-oriented he is. He doesn’t bitch about coming off the bench and it real good at doing all those little things that make a team better.

I love his long passes and really hope he can teach Tebow a thing or two in the next couple of days.

"Rollin' in the club / HAPPY MEAL"

by Fly Agaric on Jan 3, 2012 8:25 PM MST reply actions  

agreed Andre is a great pro

to have coming off the bench. He really helps stabilize the game and calm things down when it’s necessary.

by NugNugz on Jan 3, 2012 10:00 PM MST up reply actions  

I like the guy but am split

He is obviously a good player and still has value. He is slowing down and because he isn’t a great outside shooter his game will probably degenerate quickly once the wheels fall off.

Option one, trade the guy while he still has value and get something in return

Option two, keep him as a mentor and role player with intelligence and smarts and hopefully Nugs make a push and it is worth it.

by NugzD on Jan 3, 2012 8:43 PM MST reply actions  

Option two

Option one might not be a bad idea if there was a young PG or a talented back-up PG Denver could bring in. But I think Andre plays so smart and efficient that he is good for another couple years. Say what you sill about the man, but homeboy is durable.

"Rollin' in the club / HAPPY MEAL"

by Fly Agaric on Jan 3, 2012 8:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Already have one

His name is Julyan Stone, you heard it here first.

Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'

by JR15 on Jan 3, 2012 9:19 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Stone has potential

But he is so not ready to be a back up NBA point guard.

"Rollin' in the club / HAPPY MEAL"

by Fly Agaric on Jan 3, 2012 10:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Not yet

But we don’t need to trade Miller for a young backup cuz we have one is all I am saying.

Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'

by JR15 on Jan 3, 2012 11:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Hell yeah I love Dre!

Last year (after the Melo trade), there was a severe lack of Basketball IQ with Chauncey gone (Which is why I think we lost in the playoffs). With Dre back we get that BBall IQ back PLUS a more compatible PG to play in a 2 PG system (Chauncey wanted the ball to pass AND shoot).

Atheist for Tim Tebow!

by CombatChuk on Jan 3, 2012 8:45 PM MST reply actions  

After we lost Dre the first time

we never quite clicked on offense. Dre just knows how to make things happen and get people involved. I actually liked him bettter than Billups, as he does’t need to be the star and is passing ability is better than Chauncey’s. Also, he has the intangible hunger to win and fight. I was shocked by the forearm shiver he delivered yesterday – knocked the buck out cold. I would hate to see him leave again til he’s given us all he’s got.

by newsman35 on Jan 3, 2012 10:15 PM MST reply actions  

Dear Nuggets,

Thanks in advance for tomorrow night’s shellacking.

Sincerely,

The Sacramento Kings

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Jan 3, 2012 10:41 PM MST reply actions  

Adding,

I am really enjoying watching how your team plays as a team, and have since the ’Melo trade. Good basketball, that.

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by section214 on Jan 3, 2012 10:43 PM MST up reply actions  

"shellacking"?

do you really think the kings in win on a back to back in high altitude against a superior team?

by TyLawesome on Jan 3, 2012 11:26 PM MST up reply actions  

I think section214 means his Kings will get shellacked

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by Phil H. on Jan 3, 2012 11:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah he is a gracious fan

Sorry about DeMarcus Cousins section214, I dont think the Kings deserve to put up with his crap for being a usually classy organization. Trade him to the desperate Nets for their draft pick, that could work out well.

Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'

by JR15 on Jan 3, 2012 11:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Early Trending

I really admired Rick Adelman’s work in Sactown. He’s a great coach, one of the all time best and I loved watching his teams pass the ball as well. So while I’m talking about Adelman, this is a good time to share a few point spread trends:
Minnesota, i.e. Rick Adelman’s team: 5-0 against the spread.
Cleveland: 4-1 ATS
And, drum roll, Your Denver Nuggets: 5-1 ATS and why I’m laying the 12 tonight in a classic setup game. Section214 is right. These teams are 6-2-2 ATS at home playing each other.

Overrated trends: Miami, 2-4 ATS. OKC: 2-5 ATS.

"When I played, this is how I liked to play," Karl said. "It’s a combination of North Carolina, Phoenix Suns, Doug Moe. There is a commitment to running all the time."

by Plea for Intelligence on Jan 4, 2012 10:30 AM MST up reply actions  

The spread is meaningless

merely the number that gets half of the people to bet on the wrong team. Lots of stupid people. If you asked the guys running vegas to solely pick winners and losers, they would be highly accurate.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 10:39 AM MST up reply actions  

People That Know Basketball

…don’t need to be convinced how big his contribution is. He is a crazy smart player that does stuff that hasn’t been seen since Oscar Robertson (he’s the guy that once averaged a triple double for a season).

"Woohoo Denver, Yeah... All right Denver justify my love!"...
"Ohhh; the Denver Broncos?!?!?!" ...Homer Simpson
"Denver isn't considered a frontier maam, not these days"... Josh Randall (Steve McQueen) in an episode of Wanted Dead or Alive set in 1871, filmed in 1958.
"Denver, Colorado: one of the foremost sports centers in the country..." Narrator on the Bat Masterson TV show

by Thursty on Jan 4, 2012 6:49 AM MST reply actions  

darn

No spelling mistakes. I really wanted to find one so Patrick KB could attack me for a lack of originality.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 8:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Any sort of meme will work to piss him off

He won’t even give a high five when watching the game.

I might hate pandas, but at least I don’t hate fun.

"Rollin' in the club / HAPPY MEAL"

by Fly Agaric on Jan 4, 2012 9:10 AM MST up reply actions  

But how do you feel about fun pandas?

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by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2012 11:54 AM MST up reply actions  

I say keep Dre

He shows no signs of slowing down as yet, and if he does GK can simply reduce his minutes gradually – especially on the b2b2b’s. Ty is taking over anyway, and I would be delighted to have a 37-year-old Dre playing 15-18mpg behind him two years from now. He should be able to cover those minutes on accumulated wisdom alone.

by slader on Jan 4, 2012 7:28 AM MST reply actions  

And that's the thing

We are talking about how great Andre is in this thread — and he has been — but the real story is the emergence of Ty as an All-Star. Kid’s been amazing.

"Rollin' in the club / HAPPY MEAL"

by Fly Agaric on Jan 4, 2012 8:16 AM MST up reply actions  

Nice article

The other thing that is great about Dre, he plays every night. He never gets hurt despite his style of play. That is a huge asset.

by Pusherman on Jan 4, 2012 8:55 AM MST reply actions  

another side to the philly-denver trade with iverson-miller

iverson and chris webber had destroyed that philly team from the inside out, yet miller was able to take them to the playoffs that season. he found a way to be one of the scorers they needed, and still a great passer over the next couple seasons as he posted the best scoring averages of his career.

iggy from the philly squad still thinks miller the best point guard he ever played with.

by utahcoyote on Jan 4, 2012 9:02 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

It’s nice to see and read a complimentary article on Miller

As an Andre fan since his days at Utah his career accomplishments and his on court talents have been consistently overlooked at each of his stops: Cleveland –led the NBA in assists, Los Angeles – some of what I’ve heard about the train wreck that year is legendary, Denver, Philly and Portland. (Nate you’ve given Dre more love than the blazersedge did in two years). Utahcoyote you’re completely correct, that 6ers team was a disaster before Andre got there and they were just as bad the year after his departure. I get that many of the comments on here are referring to Miller as a backup and a reserve and how he’s a great piece to the bench rotation or a suitable fill-in until AAA gets into game shape, but the truth is that Andre is a stud and when Gallo, AAA, Rudy? start knocking down wide open threes his assist numbers will be up around 10 a night.

Thank you Nate for the read, great article!

by westsportsbias on Jan 4, 2012 11:39 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanks for reading it.

Great points on ‘Dre and his stops in his career. I’m much more appreciative of his game now than I ever was the first go ’round. I think seeing him in Portland and Philly helped open my eyes a bit and the chaos of when Iverson was here to the transformation when Billups came in. True leaders and point guards are what make great teams (most of the time).

by Nate Timmons on Jan 4, 2012 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

really like dre's IQ

and toughness.

and how he laid out blake griffin last year lmao.

let's go nuggets! who u wit?
firegeorgekarl.com

by 808inDenver on Jan 4, 2012 9:22 AM MST reply actions  

So...I found these in my storage box and

I’m very excited to rock them in my office now. I liked Miller at Utah, I liked the move to get him (though I wanted Brad Miller over KMart that year), and I LOVED the trade to get him and JHam from Portland. Not too mention the future second round pick for Brewer and Rudy…

Anyways, here’s to the Russian Andrei Miller-kov

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by REAPtheThird on Jan 4, 2012 9:25 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

Are those nesting dolls? Where'd you get those...?

Here in US, you watch NBA; in Soviet Russia, NBA watch you! - LACKov Smirnoff

by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 4, 2012 10:43 AM MST up reply actions  

I have a set

they either gave them away at a game, or you got them for buying gas, I can’t remember.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 4, 2012 12:37 PM MST up reply actions  

OMG

Brilliant. I am giggling inside.

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BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2012 11:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Dre has amazing core strength against age

He is one of the most durable players in NBA history. Look how age leapt on Iverson and Chauncey. Miller is still mostly unaffected.

Amazingly, he has also worked a half decent 3 point shot into his game, very selectively. 3 point shot used to be Dre’s Kryptonite. No More.

And of course his passing ability is SUBLIME.

by Nuggburg on Jan 4, 2012 9:44 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

I've heard it said before

Is this due to his lack of off season training? The guy always comes into the season soft, but maybe that’s the key?

Here in US, you watch NBA; in Soviet Russia, NBA watch you! - LACKov Smirnoff

by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 4, 2012 10:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Here ya go

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/15542/the-secrets-of-the-nbas-iron-man

Combination of NOT being a physical player and apparently genetics?

Atheist for Tim Tebow!

by CombatChuk on Jan 4, 2012 10:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanks!

Here in US, you watch NBA; in Soviet Russia, NBA watch you! - LACKov Smirnoff

by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 4, 2012 11:30 AM MST up reply actions  

funny thing is andre can be very physical

willing to rebound like crazy for a player his size, and not just long caroms

by utahcoyote on Jan 4, 2012 1:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Dre definitely sprained his ankle vs. the Lakers

Felton would have left the game and been out for a week, Dre just kept playing without missing a beat.
He is definitely a freak of nature.

Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'

by JR15 on Jan 4, 2012 2:00 PM MST up reply actions  

This TrueHoop feature on Miller is such a breath of fresh air

So few professionals are willing to utter such heresies these days. He just nonchalantly tells the truth about his approach to keeping the passion alive. And it’s not about any real or exaggerated obsession with basketball, or a special diet, or a rigid exercise regime. He takes the offseason off.

No. More. Stickyball.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 4, 2012 6:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Don't you young whippersnappers

know that 44 is the new 34? With the advent of better training these guys can play til they are 50.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2012 11:56 AM MST up reply actions  

NO WAY!

Is that what you got from this? :D

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BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Jan 4, 2012 11:56 AM MST up reply actions  

To make an honest point Nate

Good for you for highlighting Andre. I had no idea how good this guy was until this year.

To me, Miller is a revelation.

About as sexy as Tim Duncan in his prime and now (not sexy at all) Andre impacts games, teams, opponents in ways you dont expect from unheralded or role players.

And yes much of it is due to his basketball IQ which is high and applied.

Tell ya what, though, wouldnt want to get into a fight with Dre. Well honestly, I wouldnt even want to get into a fight with my little sister but you get what I’m saying.

by sgiustra on Jan 4, 2012 10:02 AM MST reply actions  

I remember that offseason well...

And I remember that even after inking Miller, Vandeweghe tried to also sign Arenas to play SG, as he felt Arenas was a SG. I actually think he was right in a lot of ways. But Arenas wanted to be a PG, so off to Washington he went.

Miller has always been one of my favorite Nuggets players. He at times will make you shake your head at his decisions, like his desire to take the last shot of the quarter from 10 feet beyond 3 poitn range when he is not even a 3 point shooter! But he does so much good on the court that you cannot blame Karl for playing him with Ty, clearly our two best guards at this juncture of the season.

Miller will come in handy come playoff time when Felton completely disappeared.

by NugzJunkie on Jan 4, 2012 10:43 AM MST reply actions  

Yep, I remember the pursuit of Arenas even after ’Dre was inked. Would have been nuts to see Arenas try to play SG since he loves to handle the ball so much, or loved to.

That three Miller took drove me kind of crazy as he walked the ball up court with just 6 ticks left, but he usually makes the right calls. He does like to score and take over games, but he’s pretty sneaky about it.

by Nate Timmons on Jan 4, 2012 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

easiest way to get ball out of millers hands in that situation is to have wings

flying down the court, because he will hit you with a long lead pass if he thinks you have something

by utahcoyote on Jan 4, 2012 1:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Good god do I ever not miss Ray Felton.

We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.

by Bob in Boulder on Jan 4, 2012 10:43 AM MST reply actions  

Was a good trade for both teams.

Felton wanted to start and be the man, he got it. Miller still wants big minutes and is getting them in a perfect role in Denver.

I sort of wish Denver had a J.R. Smith high flyer (come on Faried, get better!) to really attack the rim and allow Dre to throw some nasty lobs.

by Nate Timmons on Jan 4, 2012 1:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Come March...we could

have JR back!! HA. I know that ship has sailed, but I do miss JR and his crazy talented, and sometimes just crazy game.

by NugzJunkie on Jan 4, 2012 1:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Felton is close to killing it for Portland

Maybe he still imagines himself as a bit more spectacular than he actually is, but he’s helping to make things happen for that team. McMillan has him on the way to playing within himself and in the flow of their system. And I guess that’s saying something.

No. More. Stickyball.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 4, 2012 1:16 PM MST up reply actions  

well, yeah, KFH

does anyone doubt that Nat Mc is a much better coach than our Karl? He could lay down the gauntlet (I know, I’m weird) on anyone. Probably made our Rudy cry, boo boo. Karl will just stroke him, “everythings OK Rudy. dont worry if you shoot 3 for 30 from 3s”

Felton, thank God he’s gone, is tough but Nate will cut him down to size if he tried some of his Napoleonic Complex tricks over there that he tried while playing for us. (Got how how inserted 2, not 1, height referents there?)

BTW, the way Nate has “helped” Ray play within himself is to just shout at Ray, “You’re not Derrick Rose so quit trying to be him”

by sgiustra on Jan 4, 2012 1:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, George and Nate are pretty different coaches

I’ll give you that McMillan is much more disciplined. In fact, plenty of observers, including players, consider him a control freak. As a player, he was very deliberate, to say the least. (And when Karl coached him, the Sonics had a pretty decent half-court game.) Right now, it looks as if McMillan is turning into someone flexible enough to play to the strengths of his roster, as in they are picking up the pace.

Of course, Karl played on teams that ran, and that’s how he has mostly coached; it’s what he knows and loves. He may be a bit myopic, but he sees this roster’s quickness and finishers, including bigs who can run with the best of them, as its strength. Should Ujiri test him by trading for an experienced true center and a serious back-up PF? Would he demonstrate the same flexibility mentioned above? Who knows? That’s why we’re not in team management.

So yeah, since I’m always demanding more organized, disciplined play in the half-court game, I’d probably pick McMillan in a head-to-head competition, but not by much. Many players would choose Karl in a heartbeat due to how much rope he gives them. Will they hang themselves with it this year? Guess we’ll see.

No. More. Stickyball.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 4, 2012 3:03 PM MST up reply actions  

By the way, we're jumping on particular player performances way too early

in what is for all practical purposes still the pre-season. Karl has to let players who were brought in to fill certain roles try to get into those grooves, and that’s probably gonna take a little time. Everyone knows we needed a heat-up-fast shooter off the bench, and that guy is Rudy—or we sure as hell hope he is. The fact that he can also put the ball on the floor, run the point and get to the basket (yeah, let’s see all that, and soon) makes him a very attractive cog in Karl’s strange wheel of fortune, in which most any guard may play most any position at most any time.

Fortunately for us, a lot of teams are in the same position, fitting new parts—in some cases into new systems, even—as the season hurtles along. We knew this season would see plenty of ragged play. My knee-jerk self says let’s blame Stern, but of course it’s way more complicated than that.

No. More. Stickyball.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 4, 2012 3:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Ah, KFH whats a little overreaction amongst friends, huh?

Also has anybody ever told you that you are way too reasonable? hate that!

Keep up the great posts.

by sgiustra on Jan 4, 2012 4:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Hah!

No one who knows me well has me as even close to “way too reasonable”! But I’m glad I’m making sense here sometimes. Thanks.

Not ragging on you, btw. I too am less than thrilled with Rudy’s chucking thus far, especially when it’s way too early in the clock or not in the rhythm of the offense, such as it is. Come to think of it, let’s rag on George some more!

No. More. Stickyball.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 4, 2012 6:34 PM MST up reply actions  

and right on cue

Rudy’s shot looked much better in this game

by sgiustra on Jan 4, 2012 8:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Not to mention his PASSING!

I cannot imagine they guy won’t turn out to be a huge plus for this team.

No. More. Stickyball.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 5, 2012 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Blazers 103, Thunder 93, playing at home

Makes the Nugs loss to them not so bad.

"When I played, this is how I liked to play," Karl said. "It’s a combination of North Carolina, Phoenix Suns, Doug Moe. There is a commitment to running all the time."

by Plea for Intelligence on Jan 4, 2012 11:18 AM MST reply actions  

Portland is a good team

Underrated for sure.
And like Hollinger I am beginning to think OKC is overrated b/c their bigs aren’t that big.
What happened to Serge Iblocka’s emergence? I think he is plateauing right now and that is adversely affecting the Thunder.
They are still dangerous, but not nearly as scary as they used to be. I am waay more comfortable with Dre at the bench helm than Felton vs. the Thunder.

Gotta love the haterz. Keep that hate a comin'

by JR15 on Jan 4, 2012 2:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Amen to that!

I say it every chance I get: the Nuggets now have a tremendous complementary one-two punch at the point. Nobody sees the court better than Miller. And in his glowing post, Nate doesn’t even mention Dre’s killer post-up game. The guy knows who he can back down and overpower for an easy shot, a kick-out or a quick pass to a slasher in the lane. It’s kinda crazy to think of Andre Miller as someone an opposing team has to consider doubling when he posts up, but there it is.

Tons. Of. Weapons.

No. More. Stickyball.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 4, 2012 1:25 PM MST reply actions  

Hey KFH

Just wanted to say thanks for the thoughtful music reply you made a few weeks ago. Not sure if you saw my reply as we were posting on what had become a stagnant/old thread.

Here in US, you watch NBA; in Soviet Russia, NBA watch you! - LACKov Smirnoff

by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 4, 2012 2:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Thank *you*

Saw some of your replies and replied myself, but maybe not the final one? Anyway, catch me here sometime when you’re on your way out Northwest, and maybe we can grab some bitter brews on the Hill. Or most anywhere! I’ve become a single malt guy, too, in my old age.

No. More. Stickyball.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 4, 2012 3:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Right on

I’d love that. Only have one more friend currently still up in Seattle, but I’ll hit you up the next time I’m there. I love that town and have considered moving there several times if I thought I could deal with the lack of sunshine after being raised in Colorado. Love me some hoppy brews, and Seattle never disappoints. Do you ever go to Brouwer’s?

Here in US, you watch NBA; in Soviet Russia, NBA watch you! - LACKov Smirnoff

by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 5, 2012 4:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Brouwer's

I do indeed drink there now and then. I live in a rural area a couple of hours away from Seattle these days, so I’m not in the bars down there much. But Brouwer’s has tons of great beers. And whisk(e)ys.

The Northwest can sure as hell be one dark, wet place in the winter. I’ve come to accept it, but some folks can barely handle the long stretch of dreariness. I used to live up in Estes Park, first place I landed when I left home (Mississippi) a very long time ago. Still love Colorado. We try to make it to at least one game at the Can every year.

No. More. Stickyball.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 6, 2012 4:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Great article

on BSPN about LaMarcus Aldridge, but the article is mainly a plug of Andre Miller and how good of a PG Andre Miller is. Good read for Nugs fans:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/35027/lamarcus-aldridge-problem-solver

by NugzJunkie on Jan 4, 2012 1:27 PM MST reply actions  

Tell this to Timo
Miller doesn’t like to talk, which Aldridge said made those instructions even more consequential. If Miller felt strongly enough to offer advice, it was for a reason.

“Teams are fronting me or double-teaming me…he was like, ‘Don’t fight it. Just go to the rim, I’ll find you,’” Aldridge said. “And I was like, ‘I can’t even see you,’ And he said, ‘Just go to the rim. I’ll throw it there.’”

Here in US, you watch NBA; in Soviet Russia, NBA watch you! - LACKov Smirnoff

by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 4, 2012 2:49 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

More for Nate's Miller fire from NugzJunkie's TrueHoop link

When told that Miller consistently ranks at the top of the list of guards who rack up quality assists and improve the field goal percentage of his teammates, Aldridge wasn’t the least bit surprised. These are rarified stats that don’t pop up in box scores — very few casual observers know this stuff. Most players probably don’t even know it.

"But the big knows it!" Aldridge said. "I know it!"

No. More. Stickyball.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 4, 2012 3:15 PM MST up reply actions  

On an unrelated vein

I guess when Milwaukee plays your team, its ALWAYS less fun to watch that game than watching your local church circus put up the tents the night before. So it wasnt just when they played the Knicks….hmmmm….

Oh and thank God for Brandon Jennings because now I could stop saying that Carmello is THE most over rated player in the NBA to which they looked at me as if I’d grown a 4th eye.

Cant honestly say that anymore because, for all the love that pundits love to heap on BJ (and he does have physical and basketball talent), fact is he is a very poor man’s Allen Iverson who was a very poor man’s Isiah Thomas. Long story, just look at his stats. A “shooter” who cant shoot straight.

by sgiustra on Jan 4, 2012 1:37 PM MST reply actions  

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