Shh...I secretly still like Melo
Well, the headline said it all. The secret's out. I'm still a Melo fan. It seems as though after all the dust has settled and time has passed, I find myself still pulling for him
However, I do have some very rational reasons why, as a Nuggets fan, we should not be upset with him. Here they are:
1) He told us he wanted out - this was incredibly helpful because we were able to get something in return for him. Unlike when Mutombo left, we were able to turn an asset into more assets. He didn't have to do this. Granted, he wanted max money and could only get that in a sign and trade, but he could have figured that out after the season the way Bron and Bosh did.
2) Made the Nuggets relevant - players like Melo don't come around all that often. He's no MJ or Shaq, but I think he's on Scottie Pippen's level. As a Nugget, he brought us back to a level of national importance. And, per point number one, he made us a better team. I think Masai and Josh had a lot to do with that, but he improved as a player every year and gave the Nuggets a strong asset. He's like a rising stock that we traded at the right time.
3) He gave us unforgetable moments - big shots, playoff wins, trip to the WCF, and now the deepest roster in the NBA thanks to his desire to be traded.
I think Melo will go down as perhaps the greatest Nugget in my generation. I never saw David Thompson play and remember English vaguely. With the team we have now, we don't have a stand out player, we have a great team. In a few years, rocking a Melo throw back will be alright and I think much will be forgiven.
Here's to HOPING for a Nuggets-Knicks finals this year (not going to happen, but it would make for great TV). I wish him the best and find myself pulling for the Knicks in any game they don't play the Nuggets.
Is that so wrong?
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Major Fan of #2
English was the greatest by far. As part of Denver’s original big three— Alex English, Kiki Vandeweghe, and Dan Issel— they boasted the #1 and #2 scorers in the NBA plus another guy in the 20s. 80 points a night from the three of them. 80 points!!!
Vandeweghe was traded to the typically clueless Portland Trail Blazers for a complete team. Three future Denver All Stars— Wayne Cooper, Fat Lever, and Calvin Natt— plus a #1 draft pick and a #2 draft pick. Just for one guy. Bigger than the Melo deal, for sure.
People forget about Denver’s first WCF trip, when English, Lever, Michael Adams (Denver’s first Ty Lawson) and the boys showed up in the Forum with a regular season winning record against Magic, Worthy, Kareem, Cooper, and Byron Scott.
Then Alex broke his thumb in the first game and that was it!!!!!! Lordy, lordy, was that ever a gloomy series to watch afterwards.
Melo’s WCF team had a lot in common with the earlier effort, but was too starstruck by being in the big game.
by not that me, the other me on Jan 23, 2012 10:00 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Meh
On level with Pippen? Offensively, sure. But he couldn’t hold Pippens jock straps on the defensive end.
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I think Pippen is one of the most over rated players in NBA history. Without MJ, he’s just a ring less Melo. If Melo had some humility and the the best player to ver live on the Knicks in his prime, he’d be looking at multiple rings just like Scottie.
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by REAPtheThird on Jan 24, 2012 6:53 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
WOW! Just wow!
There are also a lot of people who believe that without Pippen, Jordan doesn’t go as far as he did. I think it was the “Jordan Rules” or “Playing for Keeps” where Pippen’s discussed as perhaps the best player on those teams by those around him (coaches, players).
I have always been a big fan of Pippen as his under-appreciated efforts always stuck out to me. He would gobble up whoever he faced on defense, I mean take them totally out of the game, and had some monster games on offense as well (well, as big as a guy can have next to Jordan).
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by Nate Timmons on Jan 24, 2012 9:56 AM MST up reply actions
Pippen was my favorite defensive player
Watch this video and you can really appreciate what he brought to the Bulls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9vFHYVXtRk
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Wow
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by love4nuggets on Jan 24, 2012 12:55 PM MST up reply actions
Do you remember what happened when Jordan left?
Pippen completely melted down. He was a great #2, but was never going to be a solid #1…like Melo. They are so different in how the impacted the game
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by REAPtheThird on Jan 27, 2012 11:43 AM MST up reply actions
Thanks for that
I forget…because I was probably in Kindergarten when that trade went down. I did meet Michael Adams once and tried to shoot like him at times. I started to come of age as a Nuggets fan around 94-95 when I was starting high school and they beat the Sonics.
I’m saying he IS better than English or DThompson, just the best player I remember as a Nugget.
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by REAPtheThird on Jan 24, 2012 6:50 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Go back a little farther
Whoa on the original big three Major Fan #2. The original big three was David Thompson, Dan Issel and Bobby Jones. That was the core of the team that was coached by Larry Brown and battled for the final ABA championship against Dr. J and the old New York Nets. That team got messed up when Donnie Walsh traded Jones to Philadelphia for George McGinnis. Of course, Jones teamed with Dr. J on that 76er team and won an NBA title. Alex was a splendid player, but there was nobody better than David Thompson in his prime. Of couse, he fell in love with the nose candy and pretty much ruined his career.
I want the Knicks to lose
So we can get their lottery draft pick in 2014 :)!!
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by JR15 on Jan 23, 2012 10:10 PM MST via mobile reply actions
My 6 year old son cried too
He called me a liar, then I turned on ESPN, and he sulked for awhile. He went upstairs, put on his Melo jersey and his Nuggets’ shorts. He took it harder than I did. I think he still cheers for Melo, because he asks about the Knicks every once in a while.
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by JustGotStiff'd on Jan 23, 2012 10:49 PM MST via Android app reply actions
You sir
Need some professional help. At long last, have you no dignity, sir?
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 23, 2012 11:26 PM MST reply actions
Can you recommend a good counselor?
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by REAPtheThird on Jan 24, 2012 6:54 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I'll help you out...
repeat after me, “Scottie Pippen was an amazing player…” :-)
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by Nate Timmons on Jan 24, 2012 9:58 AM MST up reply actions
Here
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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 25, 2012 8:37 AM MST up reply actions
I won't go so far as to say I like Melo
I’ve soured on his game somewhat, even before he wanted out of the organization.
But I definitely don’t have any anger or bitterness toward the guy. I certainly don’t hate him. And I have a good appreciation for what he did for the organization.
Anyway. I just hope I’m not the only one clapping for Melo when he finally returns to Denver. I hope with hindsight that the Melodrama becomes but a footnote in his overall career in the Mile High City.
Is your love worth the nausea it could bring?
Agreed
With earnest. I will never fault a guy wanting to make a living elsewhere. I love Colorado, but not everyone does. I did not like living in San Diego, so I changed jobs and moved
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by REAPtheThird on Jan 24, 2012 6:57 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Totally agree!
I moved away from Wyoming to come back to CO … would have lost my mind if I had to stay in WY for a stinkin’ job.
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by Nate Timmons on Jan 24, 2012 9:59 AM MST up reply actions
melo has game but he effed up going to ny
his entire career has been plagued by being on a team with a crappy coach.
Do you think it is odd?
That your #1 reason for still liknig Melo is that he wanted to leave?
Yes, my kid (7 yo) also says Melo is his favorite
he’s not a true bball fan though, so it wasn’t as bad for him. I appreciate what Melo did for the team, and I was even fine with the whole “Melodrama” only because I don’t know how else it could’ve been done differently w/ us getting the pieces we got. I was however, a bit irritated by his actual transition, but nothing to hold a grudge over. I just listened to Koz’s interview w/ Melo before the Sat Knicks’ game, and it brought back some old memories of how I like(d) Melo.
I still like Melo. I won't root for him to beat us obviously
but I will never boo him. He’s not said anything bad about the organization or even Karl for that matter, even if Karl badmouthed him after he left.
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by love4nuggets on Jan 24, 2012 9:22 PM MST up reply actions
I'll boo Melo
And I still recognize him leaving was the best thing for everyone involved.
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melo is a very good but very flawed player
and like all but about 5 players in the league, he needs to be in a situation that maximizes his strengths and covers his flaws. It’s unfortunate for him that he didn’t end up in a situation like that, but it’s pretty funny to watch New Yorkers who thought they were getting a guy a Dwight/LeBron/Wade/Durant level.
Even though he acted like a punk for his last year in Denver, I find all the moralizing about Melo being selfish a little bit grating. He’s a great scorer, scoring is a valuable part of the game, but through a series of events (some of them his fault, others not so much) he’s been put in a situation on a team that desperately needs passing. Which he isn’t very good at, and that I don’t think has to do with him being selfish, so much as it’s just not a skill he possesses at a very high level. Melo is a scorer, so he’ll keep scoring well (and he’s been scoring pretty well this year, Nuggets game aside). The Knicks and the NY fans who thought they were getting a guy in the same tier as the top 5 have only themselves to blame for their misplaced expectations.
i keep dancing on my own.
Bet you still "secretly like" your cheating ex
I said it. I loved MELLO with DENVER across his Chest. Now he is just a guy who isn’t a Nugget.
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Slow your roll there, homey
This statement has far too many implications to it. Especially since I married a girl I’ve known since Elementary school. And, the analogy is totally false. Melo asked for an amicable split and we obliged. Best thing that happened to us!
Trust me though, you have different feelings when you watch him than you do watching Luke Ridnour. He’s not just another guy, he’s the guy who turned himself into a star in the league and we converted him into what is now the best TEAM in basketball.
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by REAPtheThird on Jan 27, 2012 11:46 AM MST up reply actions
I remember when the stands at the can were pretty empty
Melo got this town to like hoops again so he can’t be all bad. I hope he does well in NY but that team sucks so it is unlikely.
I can't pull for Melo.
He wanted to leave. We offered him the longest deal and most money he could make to stay and he wanted to leave and go play with his buddies in New York. He made his choice. And I will guarantee you the only reason he told everyone of his desire to leave was because he saw the PR nightmare that resulted when LBJ pulled off his ridiculous “Decision”. Good riddance. I hope he never wins a title and I am not ashamed to admit it. He is a good player, but he put himself above his teammates and fans in Denver, and while I can understand that impulse, you can’t tell me that he has a better chance to win now in NY than he did in Denver. So then why did he want to leave? It wasn’t the money, because we were already offering him a max contract. It had to be a juvenile, “I just want to play with my friends” thing. So I don’t want him to win. Plain and simple.
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by the_prodigal_fan on Jan 25, 2012 4:13 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Melo's Win Shares are TERRIBLE
From basketball-reference.com…That’s not GREAT company Melo is keeping. Abdul-Rahim and Mehmet? Wow…the Knicks DRASTICALLY overpaid for him. Though, Scottie Pippen’s wasn’t much better. Neither one are in the hall of fame catagory
Similarity Scores Explanation ▪ Players with careers of similar quality and shape (thru 2010-11)
Thru 8 Years Win Shares (Best to Worst)
Player Sim 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
Carmelo Anthony 9.4 8.2 7.9 7.9 7.3 6.1 5.0 4.9
Shane Battier 94.7 9.1 9.0 8.2 7.8 6.2 5.9 5.2 4.8
John Havlicek 94.1 10.6 8.3 7.7 7.6 7.3 6.4 4.5 4.3
Jamaal Wilkes 93.5 10.0 8.5 8.3 7.7 7.3 6.9 5.1 3.3
Mehmet Okur 92.6 9.3 8.8 7.4 7.0 6.7 5.9 5.6 3.8
John Drew 92.4 10.6 8.9 8.9 7.9 7.1 6.4 5.5 5.4
Hot Rod Williams 92.3 9.2 8.7 7.7 7.5 7.4 5.7 4.5 2.4
Rodney McCray 92.3 9.4 8.5 7.9 7.6 6.3 5.3 4.6 2.9
Shareef Abdur-Rahim 91.8 9.7 8.8 8.5 8.1 7.2 6.9 4.6 2.9
Sam Perkins 91.2 8.1 8.0 7.5 7.4 7.3 6.7 6.4 5.8
A.C. Green 90.9 9.4 8.8 8.6 7.9 7.7 7.6 6.1 3.3
Career Win Shares (Best to Worst)
Player Sim 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
Carmelo Anthony 9.4 8.2 7.9 7.9 7.3 6.1 5.0 4.9
Mehmet Okur 92.4 9.3 8.8 7.4 7.0 6.7 5.9 5.6 3.8 0.2
Tayshaun Prince 91.3 9.4 8.0 7.5 7.5 7.0 6.2 3.3 3.2 0.8
Larry Kenon 88.8 10.0 9.5 8.8 7.5 6.2 5.9 5.4 4.1 0.9 0.2
Rodney McCray 88.2 9.4 8.5 7.9 7.6 6.3 5.3 4.6 2.9 2.5 0.9
Rudy LaRusso 86.5 8.8 8.6 7.3 7.0 6.9 6.3 5.5 5.4 3.9 1.7
Tom Heinsohn 86.2 9.3 7.7 7.1 6.8 6.6 6.5 6.2 6.0 3.6
Bob Netolicky 85.3 8.3 8.2 7.5 7.4 5.6 4.9 4.1 2.1 0.0
Wally Szczerbiak 85.0 8.7 8.0 7.4 7.3 6.2 5.2 4.5 2.9 1.6 1.6
Shane Battier 84.5 9.1 9.0 8.2 7.8 6.2 5.9 5.2 5.1 4.8 4.3
Greg Ballard 84.3 9.4 7.9 6.9 6.9 6.0 5.6 3.9 3.6 2.0 1.7 0.0
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