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How to make Denver a contender tomorrow (trades)


First of all, let's STOP with the doom and gloom ten games into the season. Normally that type of nonsense belongs on a site like RMC, but we are starting to see it here.

Nonetheless, the Nuggets do have a glaring weakness that may or may not be rectified on it's own. There was much talk of Nene being able to dominate when paired up with a center, but that just hasn't happened. Why? It's because Mosgov and Kouf do not complement Nene's skills. So instead of Nene going up against a smaller defender, he's become the recipient of numerous double teams because the other "big" just doesn't have the offensive skill to be a threat. That's all well and good because Nene is a great passer, but neither Kouf nor Mosgov have developed positioning without the ball. Normally we could wait out prospects like Mos/Kouf, but this team is TOO GOOD RIGHT NOW to wait on their development.


Fortunately their are several options that can really bolster Denver in the front court. I'll try to go over each option in order from most desirable (but possibly least likely) to least desirable.

Option #1 (aka I'd sh*t my pants)

Denver trades: Melo TPE, Timofey Mosgov, Kenneth Faried, Jordan Hamilton, Danillo Gallinari, 4 first round draft pics

Denver receives: Dwight Howard and Hedo Turk

Likelihood - Very little, although this has more to do with Otis Smith than Masai Ujiri

Why Denver does this - Denver becomes and instant contender with the most formidable front line in the game and a "young star guard" that's playing better than Deron Williams right now. They lose depth, but will still be 10 deep. I don't see how Dwight Howard leaves this team regardless of what Dallas or whomever has to offer.

Why Orlando does this - Money, and the future. Orlando receives 2 young players to burn in Faried/Hamilton, a rising star in Gallinari, and two 7 footers. The draft picks will help in the future, but most importantly they can shed Hedo's salary for nothing, which is HUGE because Orlando is over the cap. This is a much better option than NJ can offer, but it really depends on the direction Orlando wants to go. If they want to remain competitive, then this deal makes no sense.


OPTION #2 - Instant improvement

Denver trades : Melo TPE + 2 first round picks + Timofey Mosgov

Denver receives : Anderson Verajao

Likelihood - Fairly likely. It's a low risk, high reward move.

Why Cleveland does this - AV doesn't figure to be in Cleveland's future because his career arc doesn't mesh with their young players. All he's doing at this point is preventing the Cav's from accumulating lotto balls.

Why Denver does this - AV might be the most underrated center in the league, plus he's on a friendly contract. He is the best PnR defender in the game, plus he's a good rebounder/finisher. Denver could do wonders with a non-stiff starting at the 5. Most importantly, this takes pressure off Nene.


OPTION #3 - Instant improvement, but problems in the future.

Denver gives up : Melo TPE + Timofey Mosgov and Chris Anderson

Denver receives : Emeka Okafor

Likelihood - Easier, but less likely because this move is more risky

Why NO does this - Derrrrr $$$$$. Emeka has 3 years left on his contract, is overpaid @ 13mil/year, and like AV is preventing NO from accumulating lotto balls. I really think they would dump Emeka for a TPE at this point.

Why Denver does this - For as overpaid as Emeka is, the guy plays great defense and has always been tough on the boards. Like Anderson, he's no stiff when it comes to finishing.


OPTION #4 - Blech

Denver gives up - 2 firsts + Melo TPE

Denver receives - Chris Kaman

Likelihood - depends on if Stan wants to open up his pocketbook for a rental.

Why NO does this - Depends on the best deal for Kaman, but I think the $$$ savings and first rounders might be enough.

Why Denver does this - Not sure to be honest. Kaman is ok and does rebound, but he's nothing more than a short term solution... plus he's never been efficient and has ball-stopping tendencies. I also think him being an expiring makes him the most desirable big on the market for contending teams....

Which brings me to this conclusion. DENVER IS IN GOOD SHAPE. If you look at the teams that are in the market for bigs (LAC, BOS, NYK, MEM, LAL), none of them can offer what the Nuggets can! Picks, check. Salary dump? check. Young talent? You bet. Other than Dwight Howard, Denver will have their pick of bigs to choose from should they choose to go that route, and I definitely think they should sooner rather than later.

ps I feel like adding Josh Smith, but with ATL's recent success I don't think he's on the market.

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that Okafor is the perfect compliment to Nene’s game. Nene is best suited along a physical, tough-minded center who rebounds and blocks shots. Okafor fills that bill. He is a good player on offense (by that I mean not taking any ill-advised shots, in fact not taking a lot of shots period, while converting at a good rate). The only downside is that his contract is pretty hefty. The good part is that it has only 2+ years remaining and while we still have the cap space this year and next, in 2013-2014 it’s gonna be pretty tight.
Considering next year A. Miller will come off the books and probably a backup PG will be signed (maybe J. Stone), Bird will hopefully get amnestied and only Gallo will be due a new contract, things will be ok. But in 2 years, Ty will also be due a new contract things will be a little more complicated.
We must not forget about Wilson Chandler. Although it is unlikely he’ll stay in Denver, his rights currently belong to the Nuggets. He’ll probably sign the qualifying offer when he comes back in March and thus at the end of the season he’ll be an unrestricted free agent. I hope Masai is in constant touch with his representatives to know his desire and if he’ll know that Chandler doesn’t want to be in Denver, trade his rights before the deadline to somebody willing to risk having him in exchange for a 1st round pick or something.

by popex_17 on Jan 11, 2012 5:14 AM MST reply actions  

I think we need to think YOUNG and big and go for a home run

Dwight Howard isn’t the answer.

The best kept secret in the NBA, whom I think would be ideal for us is Greg Monroe, playing for the lowly mediocre Detroit Pistons, he is averaging 15-9 this year. Leveraging the Pistons into trading for him wouldn’t be that hard as the Pistons are still full of mediocre players on bad contracts and Monroe isn’t a cornerstone to build a team on, so he is expendable for him, because they are looking for a lot of youth. I think that giving up Mozgov and perhaps two first round picks would snatch him up. Then Imagine that lineup..

Monroe/Koufas/Bird
Nene/Harrington/Bird
Gallo/Brewer/Rudy
AAA/Rudy/Brewer
Lawson/Miller/Rudy

Now THAT would be a good team. Young, and full of talent, roster could last for a long time and compete.

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by CloudBurst on Jan 11, 2012 7:03 AM MST reply actions  

expendable for them*

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by CloudBurst on Jan 11, 2012 7:04 AM MST up reply actions  

Monroe

I like him too, but there is absolutely zero chance that they give up Monroe for anything short of a lottery pick. He’s their best player by far, and more importantly has one of the friendliest contracts in the business. There isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell that Detroit trades Monroe any package the Nuggets could put together.

by rxmart2 on Jan 11, 2012 9:36 AM MST up reply actions  

The team is young and no need to rush

I don’t agree. The nuggets should keep their picks and keep the roster, most everyone is young and they should keep the squad intact and let young guys develop. No reason to trade anyone for a one year rental, that hurts the nugs big time in the long run.

Trading 2 firsts and mozgov for Varajao is VERY risky not “low risk”. Constantly trading draft picks hurt the nuggets in the melo era depth wise and Mozgov still is way too young to give up on, his ceiling is enormous.

the problem with Nene has been what is always has been……..He just disappears in games. We were all hoping this was due to the previous dominating personalities but looks like that is not the case. It is up to Nene and GK to light that fire under his ass and get him to play @ 100% for 100% of his playing time.

There is no reason Nene should’nt be wreaking havoc on the court and dunkfacing people constantly. Like I said he just…….disappears. Doesn’t matter who he is paired with he has to find the fire in his heart for the whole game and not just bits and pieces.

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by james b on Jan 11, 2012 8:06 AM MST reply actions  

Disagree.

Those picks amount to nothing right now except players who will have a hard time cracking the rotation for a couple years, plus Denver has 6 first in the next 4 years. Trading picks did not hurt the previous Nuggets, it was trading picks for nothing.

Also wrt Nene, have you been watching the games? THat’s not a dig, but I can’t put that in him when I see Mos and Kouf’s man leaving instantly every time Nene gets the ball in the paint, and those two not being in any position to make them pay for the double. Kenyon, for all he was, at least had good instincts without the ball.

by rxmart2 on Jan 11, 2012 9:40 AM MST up reply actions  

Have you watched the past few years?

no matter who nene is paired with, like I said he just disappears

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by james b on Jan 12, 2012 9:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Also, dont forget Lawson and Forbes even though he was undrafted.

Draft right and make Karl play them.

and exactly my point on trading draft picks for nothing……or rentals

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by james b on Jan 12, 2012 9:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Mozgov

“…his ceiling is enormous.” Really?! The guy has played pro ball for years. Sure, he needs more time to adjust to NBA play, but he doesn’t look to have the flexible skills required of an NBA big, much less a big heart. He appears to me to be a bit of a befuddled crybaby.

Koufos is a different story. He wants it, and sometimes demonstrates the talent and court awareness to bring it. More minutes, please.

No. More. Stickyball.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 11, 2012 3:33 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

This is the kneejerk with fans

I love Koufos but everyone is overrating after a couple good games, remember we just see him in limited minutes the coaching staff sees him all the time along with Mozgov, there are reasons he starts, something the coaches staff sees in him and what he needs to develop.

Pro ball for years in Russia? Your right he should be totally peaking right now.

My comment also wasn’t a comparison of Mozgov vs Koufos, I hope they both develop. My point was not to give up on him a week into the season.

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by james b on Jan 12, 2012 9:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Hope I'm not that unsophisticated an observer

But maybe you’re right. Okay, neither Moz nor KK look quite ready to be even a decent starting NBA center. I’m only calling for Koufos to get more minutes to see if he can have a more positive impact on games than Moz seems to be having. KK looks to me to be more comfortable on the floor in a variety of situations.

Let me be sure to say that I’m the guy always decrying how poorly the league is doing with player development. I hope both these players get more minutes, because they could both end up with decent careers.

No. More. Stickyball.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 13, 2012 6:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Denver is just a peiece away from making a run

And a dominant center might be that piece.

Unfortunately, that’s not the only weakness right now.

Can we trade Chris Andersen for Ryan Anderson? Do you think the Magic would notice?

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by Fly Agaric on Jan 11, 2012 9:02 AM MST reply actions  

Also

I want Anderson Varajäo more than Dwight. Howard is a star. Anderson is a role-player who is really good at rebounding, the one thing his fellow Brazilian does not do well.

Whatever it takes to get Varajäo.

"Rollin' in the club / HAPPY MEAL"

by Fly Agaric on Jan 11, 2012 9:16 AM MST reply actions  

Disagree

Although I would be STOKED if we could get Dwight, I think the best pairing for Nene would be ……..wait for it………Dwight’s old backup, Marcin Gortat.

Call me crazy if you want.

Trade Birdman and Chandler for Marcin and a 2nd.

by Berserker13 on Jan 11, 2012 10:03 AM MST reply actions  

I'm ok with this.

But we’ll have to send the suns a big for sure.

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by love4nuggets on Jan 11, 2012 10:13 AM MST up reply actions  

Gortat

Like Monroe, the Suns aren’t letting go of Gortat without at least getting equal value. It would take a lot, but could be done. No way they would trade Bird/Chand/and a second. Chandler would have to agree to a S&T in Phoenix as well.

Remember, the other team has to be willing to trade the other guy. We can’t just pick a player and send our trash for them. Phoenix remains competitive, signed Shannon B and Grant Hill, and still retained Steve Nash. All signs point to them not blowing up their team this year.

by rxmart2 on Jan 11, 2012 10:20 AM MST up reply actions  

Or better yet

For brewer and birdman.

I wouldn’t mind Monroe either.

by Berserker13 on Jan 11, 2012 10:05 AM MST reply actions  

LOL!

At people in this thread acting like Birdman has any value whatsoever as a trade chip.

I can’t believe I just typed “LOL”! It’s bad enough that I’ve been using emoticons of late.

What’s happening to me?

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by Fly Agaric on Jan 11, 2012 10:38 AM MST reply actions  

Bird may not....

But Chandler certainly does. Who do they currently have at that spot, Grant Hill and Jared Dudley?

That’s equal value. Chandler more than offsets the difference between Bird and Gortat

by Berserker13 on Jan 11, 2012 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Chandler has no value

S&T’s typically net very very little because the player is essentially a free agent. First he has to agree to go wherever he is traded, and the only reason he does this is to get an extra year on his contract.. Phoenix then needs to agree on paying him that amount. It’s not going to happen.

Birdman only works in the Okafor trade because NO is essentially trading a horrible contract for a less horrible one.

by rxmart2 on Jan 11, 2012 10:50 AM MST reply actions  

somebody doesn't like Mozgov

I wonder what K2’s stat line would look like in the starting line up.

by Mancar on Jan 11, 2012 11:55 AM MST reply actions  

We probably can't have it all

And we’re already damn close to being a contender. Here’s hoping Ujiri is scheming at least as much as rxmart2. And thanks for this thought-provoking and accurate assessment of trade scenarios.

No. More. Stickyball.

by LongWindedHank on Jan 11, 2012 3:35 PM MST reply actions  

I'd do the Okafor deal in a heartbeat!

Championship teams never seem to be concerned with salaries! If we had Okafor at the start of this year, we beat Portland, LA , and SA. We’re 9-1 and this article is never written! :)

by Larry Cunningham on Jan 11, 2012 4:14 PM MST reply actions  

I agree

good veteran centers don’t belong on mediocre bad teams that are not competing for anything.

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by CloudBurst on Jan 12, 2012 2:22 AM MST up reply actions  

what about DeMarcus Cousins?

he wants to be traded. would the Nuggets have a shot on him? Moz and Bird + 1 or 2 picks?

by danherb on Jan 11, 2012 5:51 PM MST reply actions  

cousins

As far as I know he had issues with Paul Westphal, who’s been fired. Sac and Cousins are joined at the hip for a while I think.

by rxmart2 on Jan 11, 2012 6:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes, Okafor would be nice but not at any price

Moz has looked clueless, admittedly. But I’ve seen this before, in NY, and as season wore on, as Moz learned a bit, he became productive.

I’m not high on Koufas but he has been solid in limited role. He’s a good BACKUP.

We’re only 11 games in, are 7-4, for Krisakes. It may take a whole year or (gasp!), two to develop Moz and solidify Koufas as consistent backup. But they’re ours, cheaply and little drama around them.

Lets keep this lineup and develop, develop, develop. If we see no real improvement this season and next (yes, and next) then we have a big Center problem that we need to address.

If we get Chandler back, we will have another chip for a possible trade be it Will, Andre, one or both of our centers, whatever.

Patience, guys.

by sgiustra on Jan 12, 2012 1:29 PM MST reply actions  

Dwight

45 and 23. just saying

Let's start a riot!
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by Army of Nugs on Jan 12, 2012 11:45 PM MST reply actions  

May want to re-evaluate our thoughts

Mozgov looked like an actual center against the Heat.

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by CloudBurst on Jan 14, 2012 8:38 AM MST reply actions  

DO NOT MENTION

Varejao and the Denver Nuggets in the same sentence. If we ever get that scrub, I don’t care if it’s for the foot deodorant in Big Al’s bottom drawer, I will stop watching all Nuggets games and move to the Sahara.

by cmguinn on Jan 18, 2012 9:24 AM MST reply actions  

why not move some young talent to the Celtics for Pierce or Allen! Maybe rights to Wilson Chandler and a 1st round pick, and Rudy or Brewer for Pierce!

by soloking on Jan 18, 2012 10:51 AM MST reply actions  

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