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Stiff List by Nate: 1-10-12

  1. Arron Afflalo: Fat new contract and less production. Not what Nuggets Nation expected - shooting 23% from the outside, 44% from the field, and 78% at the line ... all down from last season. AAA of last year, where have you gone?
  2. Nuggets 3-pt%: Stays on the list this week because as a team the Nuggets are shooting 28.8% from deep, but still taking 19.8 treys a game!
  3. George Karl's rotations: Mozgov averages 16 minutes per game, Birdman 11.6 mpg, taking out Koufos' three starts he averages 5.4 mpg, and Faried has only two game appearances. Meanwhile: Lawson, Afflalo, Miller, and Fernandez all average above 24 mpg. Would be nice to see the Nuggets take advantage of their roster.
  4. The Nuggets Defense: Denver has given up 24+ points in nine of the last 12 quarters of action.
  5. Gallinari & Harrington's rebounding last week: Karl is playing them heavy minutes at PF & C, yet over the last four games Gallo is averaging just 4.2 rebounds per game and Big Al just 3.5 rpg. That wont work.

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Excellent timing

something more than last nights game to talk about.

Regarding #5, I would say #3 is the problem here, as Gallo and Harrington have been playing well, aside from #2. I would probably substitute Lawson’s lapses on defense at #5. It isn’t fair to expect Gallo to get rebounds against Okafor and Kamen.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 10, 2012 9:34 AM MST reply actions  

Agreedo

Koufus needs more burn at the C, Gallo at the SF, and Nene at the PF.

by Colin Neilson on Jan 10, 2012 9:58 AM MST up reply actions  

It's a simply rule really

two of the four from Nene, Moz, Bird, and Kouf should be in the game at all times. The problem with that rotation is that it really limits Harringtons minutes. They may have to trade Harrington for a better fit in the rotation.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 10, 2012 10:19 AM MST up reply actions  

Kosta fan here

While his skill level not exceptional, they’re valued skills. I like the way he plays the game, though
I’m not suggesting he’s starter material.

by TakeFive on Jan 10, 2012 11:27 AM MST up reply actions  

Especially #3

Karl is recognized as one of the better coaches in the league and deservedly so, however, his rotations are and have been his weakness as a coach. It was part of the reason that we were eliminated by OKC in the playoffs ( going small with Felton and Lawson for too many minutes). He treats his “rooks” as if they are college freshmen instead of professional basketball players, hardly playing them at all. On nights when our starters are struggling (last night for example), would it hurt to throw Faried and Carroll in for 5 or 10 minutes to see what they can do? Leave Brewer in a bit longer, he’s working his tail off and creates defensive headaches for the other team. And I would like to see Koufos and Mozgov get some more minutes, although Koufos played a little more than 9 minutes last night with 0 points. I also agree that our offensive rebounding has been bad, with too many players hanging around the perimeter taking jump shots (and missing). I also agree that the defense has to be tightened up; not sure whats going on there, as they started the season playing pretty good D.

by chilly dog on Jan 10, 2012 10:24 AM MST reply actions  

Karl

Should have been bought out. This team has too much depth, and for it not to be utilized properly is horrific.
I’ll be the first to say " Fire George Karl", he’s going to strangle this team with his DA rotations
Karl is the perfect example of" you can’t teach old dogs new tricks". Karl assistants are doing the teaching as they can relate to the players.
GK take your thousand games plus and ride into the sunset and let the young blood take the reigns

by samdman on Jan 10, 2012 1:22 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm as much a critic as anyone

but I think this team would have to collapse to get him fired this season. Karl knows how to work the office politics and has a ton of built in excuses this year.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 10, 2012 1:46 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree with you on #3. And a naive question (kind of)

What other keys to success can a coach take responsibility for besides finding the right rotations and matchups? Drawing up the best play for a scenario? Granted your players must execute, but when we don’t have plays… Karl can’t get points in that column either…

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by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 10, 2012 1:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Regarding offensive rebounding and rebounding in general

What, exactly, is keeping Karl from getting Mozgov, Koufus and Gallo to crash? I understand that if you crash the boards and don’t get the rebound, you will suffer in transition, but the Nuggets are a team that thrives on its athleticism. I feel we should be able to expect our bigs to be force in the paint AND run back in transition. I’m tired of seeing a shot get hoisted up and the bigs are already past halfcourt by the time it caroms off the rim.

Regarding caroms, I am sick to DEATH of watching Harrington and Mozgov contract Neneboarditis. By that I mean, “reach up and volleyball tap the ball, likely to the other team, instead of grabbing the rebound with two hands”. Seriously! These guys have to get BOTH HANDS on the ball and not expect a tapout to get to the right person. Nene gets away with it because he is fairly good at getting taps on the offensive glass (rarely), but it is absolutely maddening to watch Harrington and Mozgov do it on the defensive end.

by Colin Neilson on Jan 10, 2012 10:44 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

Moz boards

He only seems to get a board when the ball literally falls into his hands. He has a tough time anticipating the bounce off the rim and/or using any quickness to jump and steal a board from an opposing player. The game just seems too fast for him on the O and D end. Unlike Faried.

I’m having a tough time with Moz…perhaps prematurely. He just strikes me as a stiff and a back-up. The weak link.

In re to rotations…GK seems to handle a 4/5 man rotations well (guarsd or bigs) but he can’t handle a 5/6 man rotation. It throws him for a loop and he looks towards his security blanket (small ball). If it were me, I would start K2, bench Moz and play Faried over Bird. Faried is now that energy/board/block guy.

by Pusherman on Jan 10, 2012 11:05 AM MST up reply actions  

Moz boards

it would be interesting to see the team rebounding stats when moz is in the game. He really focuses on blocking out the other C, so while he doesn’t get a ton himself, he often prevents the other teams C from getting it as well.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 10, 2012 11:07 AM MST up reply actions  

That would be an interesting stat

It would be nice if he boxed out and went to get the rebound. He always seems a step late, whether it is a board, block, charge, man-to-man D, getting post position, making the pass, catching the pass…etc.

by Pusherman on Jan 10, 2012 11:28 AM MST up reply actions  

I can already see improvement in his defense

He’s getting better in the post and is doing a better job of keeping his arms straight up so as to not get the “roofing” fouls.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 10, 2012 11:46 AM MST up reply actions  

The game also might be moving really fast for him.

I don’t know how long it takes guys to get comfortable at the NBA pace. Some may never get it, but I think Moz will show improvement over the season and if not … then Karl needs to re-evaluate him. Way too early to jerk him out of the starting lineup I think.

I see Moz doing a lot of good, mixed with some bad – but he has the effort, I think things are just moving quickly for him as he tries to find his role with the team. It would also help if the point guards would feed him above the waist on pick and rolls. A bounce pass around the knees of a 7-footer is not ideal. He needs the ball up in the leaves, not down by the roots!

by Nate Timmons on Jan 10, 2012 1:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Roots versus Leaves

Moz has had trouble catching the chest passes sometimes. Hastings is always talking about how bounce passes are much easier to receive than chest passes. My view on the bounce passes is that their hasn’t been enough space for them. The other teams are going to keep four guys in the lane until the nuggets start hitting some shots.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 10, 2012 1:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes, those bounce passes of pick and rolls just never seem to be open enough to work. I like to watch how successful centers receive passes. Steve Nash is an ace at the pick and roll and can throw the prettiest pass in the league off them. He’s made Boris Diaw, Amar’e, Robin Lopez and Gortat look pretty amazing over the years.

I see Bynum, Howard and Pau catching a lot of passes up near their face or taller … seems to work quite well as they hold the ball about 8-9 feet in the air where nobody can get to it. The Lakers bigs do a great job of never bringing the ball below their face on rebounds and such, I will need to monitor how they get entry passes a little closer. But I just don’t see how a bounce pass that hits Moz in the knee area is helping him at all. Something that Lawson has to get more comfortable with too.

by Nate Timmons on Jan 10, 2012 2:02 PM MST up reply actions  

correct me if I'm wrong

but didn’t they run a lot of pick and roll to bird where he would receive the bounce pass about waist high last year? They had a lot more room to operate then.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 10, 2012 2:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh ya and who was he running pick an roll with???

That’s right JR SMITH!!! JR and either Bord or Nene made a killer pick and roll combo last year

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by The U.N. Fab Five on Jan 10, 2012 2:40 PM MST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Rec.

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by love4nuggets on Jan 11, 2012 8:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Agree on #1. I’ve really been disappointed with his all around game so far. Keep hoping to see him pick it up a notch. Come on AAA!!!

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by BrianD on Jan 10, 2012 10:56 AM MST reply actions  

Agree... He seems less relevant in this team's personality or something

His gritty defense is muted by slower reactions or something. Good all-around guy but his skill level is not exceptional at anything, dribbling, passing, jumping, rebounding. I suspect he’ll get there, just needs to find his role on this year’s version.

by TakeFive on Jan 10, 2012 11:23 AM MST up reply actions  

Good list Nate!

Faried takes over for KMart
Hamilton will be better JR Smith
Marketing Director of the Mozgov Militia!

by SD_Nugget_Fan on Jan 10, 2012 11:59 AM MST reply actions  

I think you are being a bit harsh on AAA

I think he’s gotten a slow start for sure, but he might still be recovering from the bad hammy and is tentative. Also, given he seems to be a stand up guy, I think he might be putting more pressure on himself to carry the squad because of that big contract.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 10, 2012 12:36 PM MST reply actions  

Nene has a very public bruised heel. Not saying that’s a total excuse, but I’m giving him a little slack. I can see Nene trying to do more this season – especially on the glass. Not sure it’s totally working yet – I think all the players are still trying to find the right chemistry with each other and to dig out their roles on this team. Things will look very different two months from now.

I’m giving AAA #1 because his play has been bad. I don’t doubt that he will turn it around as this list is just a reflection of current play. I have all the faith in the world in AAA and his work ethic. But he’s struggling a lot right now and it shows. I think he’ll eventually be fine, but we all expected more out of him right now.

by Nate Timmons on Jan 10, 2012 1:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Great list

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by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 10, 2012 1:33 PM MST up reply actions  

he REALLY needed to be playing some live ball in the off season

his handles are way off, and he simply can not get by anyone on the drive.

by Patrick KB. Nugget on Jan 10, 2012 7:30 PM MST up reply actions  

My only problem with this is

AAA had all that time during the off season to get to the gym and work on his shot. He obviously didn’t because it has gotten far worse. If he really wanted to earn that paycheck he should have put in the extra work when he could and I think it is apparent he didn’t. He may have stayed conditioned but it looks like he didn’t touch a basketball.

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 10, 2012 4:05 PM MST up reply actions  

the problem was he was shooting, but not against anyone so his flow is completely off

deandre jordan and andres biedrins can make jumpers……. with no one else around.

by Patrick KB. Nugget on Jan 10, 2012 7:31 PM MST up reply actions  

I was not happy with the signing of AAA at that amount

I hope the guy proves me wrong, but even with his work ethic, I think last year was AAA’s ceiling. You can only lockdown on D to a point; if you’re not the most athletic, only so much you can improve the other offensive skills in the toolbox; and it remains to be seen if he’ll get as many wide open looks beyond the arc without Melo drawing double and triple teams.

/rant

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by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 10, 2012 1:37 PM MST reply actions  

this, he's soIid as Iong as he doesnt try to do too much.

which is not worth 8 miI, they payed him Iike other teams payed d. jordan, but jordan has much more upside and doesnt cost that much more.

why dont you put karI’s Iack of pIaycaIIing out on there, there’s onIy so much you can do by switching around pIayers, at Ieast try to post up koufos if your team isnt doing weII on offense, instead of you have a bunch of guards out on the perimeter dribbIing dribbIing dribbIing with no direction, and karI’s just Iooking on as usuaI, and if a big does get open they dont pass it to him either because they want to shoot it themseIves or just dont have the proper pass abiIity to get it to them.

I Iike ty, but he sucks at distributing, unreIiabIe. fernandez is ok, and miIIer onIy does Iobs and up the court passes.

somehow coaching for this team has become arbitrariIy switching around pIayers to find the right combination instead of game pIanning with offensive and defensive schemes against teams, and making adjustments to those schemes in game, which is just not goin to happen with karI as coach.

by Rys on Jan 10, 2012 1:49 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

Your last sentence hits it on the head, IMHO

So he puts in his 4 guard rotation, playing small ball in the hopes of outrunning other teams. Okay, but what then as a coach have you instructed your guys to do in that situation when the other team is getting back on D consistently to negate that effect and they’re clogging the lane when your guards’ shots aren’t dropping? I get the sense Karl hasn’t given any direction on that scenario, among others, and that he just hopes tinkering with lineups is enough to substitute for the value add of an organized coaching effort.

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by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 10, 2012 1:57 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

One more thing

Does this all get back to Karl’s world view and his label as a ‘basketball philosopher’? That title suggests his world view is of the game as some cloudy, amorphous concept within which to experiment, at best paying the cost of ignoring the implementation of proven schemes, styles, plays and at worst not recognizing and adjusting to those implemented by your opponent as they neutralize random basketball.

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by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 10, 2012 2:02 PM MST up reply actions   3 recs

This is true, I believe I was also in that camp

Most of the things I say aren’t being said definitively. I’m that guy who just says whatever he’s thinking and continue to develop my opinion on things upon self-reflection. Similar to what Arnold said of his kindergarten students, I lack discipline.

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by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 10, 2012 2:07 PM MST up reply actions  

"I have a headache."

“Maybe it’s a tumor.”
“It’s not a tuuuumorrr.”

by Nate Timmons on Jan 10, 2012 2:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Holy crap. I literally just said this exact thing to my friend

telling her about my headaches..lol…

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by SDcat09 on Jan 10, 2012 2:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Hahaha

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by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 10, 2012 3:02 PM MST up reply actions  

maybe if affIaIo couId guard KD weII.

the main probIem was not havin JR and gaIIo out there, especiaIIy Iate in games where the haIf court offense just went to sh1t, when cIearIy jr showed abiIity to be that guy down the stretch. and then sitting by and watching feIton chuck bad shots. and aIso pIayin chandIer too much when he’s Iike totaIIy not in the game, and Andersen who was getting roIIed by coIIison, not pIaying his big guys to reb. so many things as usuaI.

by Rys on Jan 10, 2012 2:11 PM MST up reply actions  

I cannot begin to tell you

how glad I am that fatty felton is gone. He has the biggest ego for one of the most mediocre nba players I have ever seen. I seriously contemplated running on the floor and starting a fist fight with him during the playoffs.

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by love4nuggets on Jan 11, 2012 9:00 AM MST up reply actions  

"Swing on me!"

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by Artimus Mangilord on Jan 11, 2012 9:38 AM MST up reply actions  

yeah, coaching is supposed to put your pIayers, your team in a position to do weII.

it seems Iike he just wants guys to go out there and win it for him, at some point you have to put in some detaiIed instructions for what you want the team to do. before he excused himseIf from this by making meIo, jr etc… out to be not very smart so I cant teach these guys how to scheme. no w that he has a team that is coachabIe, whiIe at Ieast to his expectations, because it seems Iike pIayers shouId suck his d1ck and Iisten to him with out any reIuctance, he’s stiII not runnin pIays. guess his UNC bbaII guards phiIosophy transcnds aII game pIans, and if it doesnt work, weII it’s the pIayers fauIt.

by Rys on Jan 10, 2012 2:05 PM MST up reply actions  

There's confusion here

It’s also been reported that his contract could have started close to $6.5 million.

by TakeFive on Jan 10, 2012 2:19 PM MST up reply actions  

I haven't seen anything describing the bonus structure

what triggers them etc. I have some hope that the ESPN trade machine will have information when they get it back up with the new CBA information.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 10, 2012 3:01 PM MST up reply actions  

I don’t remember if it was a Tweet or what … I’ll dig around and see what I find.

by Nate Timmons on Jan 10, 2012 3:48 PM MST up reply actions  

it was a tweet i remember it

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by RPN on Jan 10, 2012 8:26 PM MST up reply actions  

wanna say it was woj

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by Army of Nugs on Jan 10, 2012 9:53 PM MST up reply actions  

AAA's contract

is 38 million (about 7,5/year) + bonuses, but against the salary cap is just the 7,5 per year which is reasonable. I still think we overpaid for him (especially since there wasn’t anybody who was going to give him this money), but I think it’s better to overspend on a good player and locker-room glue guy than someone else.

by popex_17 on Jan 11, 2012 4:36 AM MST up reply actions  

I'd give Afflalo a break... for now

He hasn’t looked like himself… but really 44% shooting isn’t terrible, one of the better marks on the team actually. What’s definitely scary is the 3 point percentage and the shot selection. AAA is a leader of this team and when he’s missing wide open threes and taking bad ones, the team’s confidence and everyone else’s 3-ball seem to suffer.

However AAA’s defense has been pretty good, basically what we are used to. The thing is Afflalo is off to a slow start because he wasn’t even getting starters minutes until a few games ago – mainly because Harrington and Miller were playing well.

I’m curious as to what people expect out of Afflalo. He improved astronomically the past two years and it isn’t likely he’ll make as big a jump this year with the same or less minutes. I see Afflalo averaging 12-14ppg, 2 ast, 3 reb a game with outstanding percentages and great defense. I don’t see how people think he’s going to be like a 15-20ppg scorer without his outstanding efficiency taking a serious hit.

People underestimate how valuable a consistent 3 point shooter is – it’s probably a lot more valuable in terms of wins than a guy who averages 20 on below average percentages.

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by runningdonut on Jan 10, 2012 3:43 PM MST reply actions  

I agree with pretty much everything you wrote here.

The part I’m waiting for is the “outstanding percentages” … he can easily flip the script and get out of his slump and the consistent minutes you bring up will only help as he learns the flow of this new team. Like I said somewhere above, I’m not worried about him, just pointing out his early season struggles.

I love Afflalo’s game and can’t wait to see him perform better and start burying those open threes again.

by Nate Timmons on Jan 10, 2012 3:53 PM MST up reply actions  

I see those shots falling and his game coming along eventually

Miller and Fernandez are the new kids on the block, I think Karl is trying to figure out what he has with those two and he really shafted Afflalo in terms of trying to get those 2 guys starters minutes and see what they can do. I think Karl is coming off that and AAA is ready to shine. I’m honestly not worried about him a bit, the whole thing about being in game shape never made sense to me – he’s in a perfect shape and just wasn’t getting minutes for whatever reason. Not the greatest start but really he’s played more consistent than other guys on this team.

I get the feeling people are gonna be hard on AAA thanks to this contract, but really the one I’m more worried about is Nene. He is hurt right now and it’s way too early to write him off, but I think he could have a down year. Missing Kenyon has hurt more than I thought and he looks lost on defense and much less confident in the starting lineup.

I’m definitely worried about Nene’s efficiency because he’s in the high post a lot where Kenyon used to be and he just isn’t getting the scoring looks he normally does. Unless the Nuggets really improve their rotation of bigs and find a starting lineup with a little more synergy Nene is going to continue to stumble through games. I think without that other reliable big man next to Nene he’s just not going to be a very good player. Needless to say it’s pretty troubling because I cannot see any easy solution

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by runningdonut on Jan 10, 2012 4:08 PM MST up reply actions  

I think the three point shooting will help everyone

If AAA, Lawson, and Gallo start hitting threes at near their career averages, then it will open up things for everyone. It wasn’t Kmart that opened things up, it was spacing with outside shooting threats. The other teams are putting four guys in the lane right now. I could play defense against them.

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by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 10, 2012 5:09 PM MST up reply actions  

it's not game shape with him as much as neglecting playing basketball until he signed a contract

he’s in fine shape, he just looks a step behind in anything basketball related. no flow.

by Patrick KB. Nugget on Jan 10, 2012 7:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Good List
  1. - Afflalo has been a bit disappointing and I think he would put himself at the top of this list too. Which is why I have no doubt that he won’t be on the next Stiffs List.
  1. - It has to get better, right?
  1. - I don’t think anyone is happy with GK’s rotations. Koufus has earned more minutes. I also believe these rotations are the causes of #’s 4 & 5..
  1. - That number definitely needs to change but I believe GK going small all the time is a big reason why we’ve giving up so many paint points. Does a defensive front line of Al Harrington & Danilo Gallinari scare anyone?
  1. - Speaking of Big Al & Gallo, I think their rebounding numbers would actually be better if they weren’t playing out of position against bigger players.

by Ror J on Jan 10, 2012 3:54 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Number mistakes..

Not sure what I did wrong but those should be numbered #1, #2, etc…..Can anybody help me out? Thanks

by Ror J on Jan 10, 2012 3:56 PM MST up reply actions  

You probably just have to do manual numbering:
1.) blah
2.) blah
3.) blah

I like your points about AAA. He’ll get it going!

by Nate Timmons on Jan 10, 2012 3:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Here's My list

1. Birdman
2.AAA
3.GK
4. Birdman
5. Birdman

Did I meantion Birdman? Amnesty his ass please. I can’t even stand seeing him anymore. He looks like the black sheep of the Nuggets roster.

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 10, 2012 4:02 PM MST reply actions  

then first task of the offseason

should be that move

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 10, 2012 6:30 PM MST up reply actions  

+1

he sure ain’t gettin any younger!

by JBnuggs on Jan 10, 2012 6:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks Nate

Afflalo has that Tim Tebow quality where he will just will himself to prove all the doubters wrong!

by Ror J on Jan 10, 2012 4:03 PM MST reply actions  

Ahh I need to get used this.

by Ror J on Jan 10, 2012 4:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Birdman

I have to say I gotta agree. I wish he was still the Bird of old but every time I see him get pump-faked I cringe. He’s just eating up minutes that the other bigs need. What’s the deal with the Amnesty Clause? I thought we had to use it before the season.

by Ror J on Jan 10, 2012 4:09 PM MST reply actions  

Meant for NastyNessy71

Still working out the kinks on these threads haha

by Ror J on Jan 10, 2012 4:10 PM MST up reply actions  

not only the pump fakes

but his very poor attempts to score putbacks. It seems like he bricks every putback he attempts. I mean it’s nice he is trying to get them but still he is just not a good basketball player anymore.

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by NastyNessy71 on Jan 10, 2012 4:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Agree

The one good thing I can say is his jump shots and free throws look better but still not enough that he should be playing more than K2 and Manimal.

by Ror J on Jan 10, 2012 4:20 PM MST reply actions  

Ahhhhhh

Man I need figure this..

by Ror J on Jan 10, 2012 4:21 PM MST reply actions  

out. Figure this out.

by Ror J on Jan 10, 2012 4:23 PM MST up reply actions  

haha

simple rookie mistake….don’t sweat it

by JBnuggs on Jan 10, 2012 4:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Have to agree with everyone about the player formerly known as "Birdman"

As much as we’ve heard that Faried is “extremely raw”, there’s no way he can be worse than Andersen is now. Sit that dude down!

by JBnuggs on Jan 10, 2012 5:04 PM MST reply actions  

I will start the chant at the game tomorrow

So if you see Manimal in the game, you can thank me

Let's start a riot!
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by Army of Nugs on Jan 10, 2012 7:00 PM MST up reply actions  

One thing I've noticed the last couple of games,

starting with the first game against NO, is we have gone back to doing a lot of switching on picks – especially when Moz/Kouf are not in. The result has been that the picker – usually a big – has been able to establish position down low against one of our guards. This happened with regularity in the SA game and Dejuan Blair ended up with perfect offensive rebounding position time and again. If we continue this, not only will we consistently give up way too many offensive rebounds, but we’ll also find our guards getting posted up in mismatches. To me, switching on screens is a sign of lazy defense. I would much rather see us get back to hedge and recover (which Moz/Kouf do pretty regularly).

by Russscot on Jan 10, 2012 9:03 PM MST reply actions  

Found out

that AAA’s contract is really 38 million + 5 million certain bonuses. So he is paid about 7,5 million/year. Just wanted to let you guys know that. He is slowly getting into game shape, although he’s very far from where he was last year, but I think it’s understandable. He will be fine in a few weeks.
My main concern is the player formerly known as the Birdman. Whenever he checks into a game, the opposing coach goes straight to his man, and usually they have great success which translates into bad results for the Nugz. I hope that Karl will stop playing him, because at this point, there is no chance in hell that Faried is worse than him and at this point in their respective careers, one player can only go up and the other can only regress. I’ll stick with the one that can go up and that’s K. Faried.

by popex_17 on Jan 11, 2012 4:23 AM MST reply actions  

wow,

just saw that most of the above posters think the same about Birdman, I posted it before I read the comments.

by popex_17 on Jan 11, 2012 4:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Interesting

just learned something new about the CBA. A team can only offer a player like Dwight Howard a two year extension on his current deal, which has one year remaining and an opt out option for the player, so a total of three years guaranteed. If the player waits and opts out this summer, he can get 5 years guaranteed to stay with his team, or 4 years to change teams. Either way, players like Howard are not going to be signing that extension with anyone. They will hit free agency and be able to talk with all 30 teams. Has to really hurt Orlando in terms of potential trade value.

Formerly KS and CS

by ThrowItDownBigManThrowItDown on Jan 11, 2012 9:01 AM MST reply actions  

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