Does Demarcus fit Denver?
by Jooshipoo on Aug 28, 2011 4:26 AM MDT
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PrintThe Nuggets are in a dangerous position when the lockout ends with many players up for free agency. One of the biggest problems could be if Nene leaves. In that case, the Nuggets would be without an anchor in the paint.
So, could a possible trade involving Demarcus Cousins workout to bring in a talented, young bigman? My proposal is:
Sacramento: Wilson Chandler, Chris Andersen, future first-round pick
Denver: Demarcus Cousins, Marcus Thornton
Sacramento receives a grit player who is consistent and can play multiple positions. Chandler is young and still improving. He would probably play most minutes at the small forward and some time at the 4. And the Kings lighten up the load of guards they have in Tyreke, Jimmer, and John Salmons. Sacramento also will get Chris Andersen who is an intimidating defensive presence in the middle and who can help with their fan base along with new rookie Jimmer Fredette. Chris the Birdman would probably be the starting Centre as Samuel Dalembert is being looked at by various contenders (Miami, Dallas, Boston). Whether or not Birdman would be successful starting for them, we don't know, but at least Sacramento would let go of headache Demarcus and get a top 20 Centre who can play defence with roughness in return. That's a lot better than having to deal with 3 or so ball hogs on a team. Finally, I understand the Kings have a lot of young players already, but the future first rounder will make for an extra bonus; a tradable piece or another building block.
How about the Nuggets? Well if Nene leaves, Demarcus could start at the 5 or 4, most likely at power forward. Timofey Mozgov and Demarcus Cousins could make for a very big and intimidating front court duo. Mozgov doesn't demand the ball in the post thus giving Demarcus control of the paint. He would most likely be the go to guy for the Nuggets for now. In Sacramento he averaged 14Points 8.6 Rebounds and an underrated 2.5 Assists. Marcus Thornton had a break out year with Sacramento last season averaging 21ppg, 4.5rpg, 3.5apg. Marcus would never average those numbers again next season especially in Sacramento. While his stock is high, Sacramento would be smart to let him go as trade bait. Thornton would provide a good backup for Afflalo because he can score in bunches and is good from deep. Plus, with JR "Earl" Smith gone, Marcus will have all the minutes at backup. But what about Gallo's backup? Well those mintues could be shared by Al Harrington and rookie Jordan Hamilton.
But what if Nene stays?! Wouldn't that cause problems for the two? Maybe, but Nene would be able to play at the 4 (what he would prefer) and Nene wouldn't be forced to grab as many rebounds for Denver to be competitive. But ultimately, this would never work out.
Realistically, could this trade go down? It all depends on the bigmen. Would Nene leave Denver? Would Sacramento get rid of Demarcus Cousins? If the answer to both of those questions were yes, then so would this trade work. I honestly like this trade. Just for fun, this is what the two teams would look like after the trade.
Denver : Timofey Mozgov Kosta Koufu
Demarcus Cousins Kenyon Martin/ Al Harrington
Danilo Gallinari Jordan Hamilton/ Gary Forbes
Arron Afflalo Marcus Thornton
Sacramento: Samuel Dalembert/ Chris Andersen Chris Andersen/ Hassan Whiteside
JJ. Hickson Jason Thompson
Wilson Chandler Francisco Garcia
Tyreke Evans John Salmons
Jimmer Fredette N/A
The Kings have a slightly deeper roster at the 2/3/4 positions without logjams. They would still need to sign a true pg either to start or backup Jimmer. An option could be for them to go after Earl Watson (6 apg), or TJ Ford.
The Nuggets look like a complete team with prominent starters, backup players, and go to guys (Demarcus and Gallo)
Let me know what you guys think. The last post i made was not very good as a lot of people disagreed with what I had to say. Hopefully this makes a bit more sense.
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harrington gets amnestied, faried would be backing up the pf& kmart is a ufa
Interesting
D Cousins has major talent. Real question is his maturity
He, along with Gallo, could take step into all star territory. But, I have to say, I like Nene and Will a lot. I like what they do defensively and rebounding, and I love the idea of pairing Nene with Mozgov.
Also, we’d be giving up a 1st rounder. Mmmm, that seems a bit too much even if I think Cousins has the goods.
Cousins has some serious character flaws
but he is a beast. If Nene bolts this may be a solution…
According to this site we have $28 million in payroll right now. That’s very very low.
http://www.nbadraft.net/state-cap-denver-nuggets-1
I’m getting the feeling they are taking off Nene’s salary as well as AAA’s and Chandler. Even with all that the Nuggets are well under the cap.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Aug 28, 2011 12:06 PM MDT reply actions
technically, we don't know what the cap will be
this article doesn’t tell us anything we don’t know already. In fact they ignore the pressing issue of resigning Nene,our real franchise player.
I highly doubt there will be a cap as the owners are envisioning it
however I do expect shorter guaranteed contracts…four years max.
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by Jeffrey Morton on Aug 29, 2011 12:58 AM MDT up reply actions
there's no way sac would trade one of the most promising young big men in the league
unless he demands out in which case he’ll still probably fetch much more than that
This isn't going to happen
Cousins alone is worth everything the nuggets give up in this deal. Plus you leave Sac taking on Bird’s bad contract.
Wilson chandler is decent but lets be realistic here
Why live life on the edge, when you can jump off?
Anthony from bondage will deliver Gallinari
I love Cousins
and I think Sac is pinning their hopes on him
But just like Nug fans thought they were giving up a crown jewel (Melo) and getting a bunch of nobodies (Knick rejects), then turns out Nugs played well and Knicks, well they were the Knicks — here too…
I believe this might be us playing the role of the Knicks and Sac playing the role of the Nugs. We get “jewel” but regress, sac gets “Scrubs” and improve. It would be ironic.
I like Cousins and he made the Kings a very comp…. huh? What’s that? The Kings stunk? They really sucked?
Again I like Cousins but be careful what you wish for.
Finally, keep in mind
at least 50% of basketball talent originates between the ears.
Basketball executives get fired for this type of reasoning.
I’m not calling you an idiot because I don’t think you are (and have no way of ascertaining such a prospect). But I do know that exec’s get fired for faulty and pointless reasoning.
In the NBA a chief credo goes like this: Talent is King. DeMarcus Cousins is far & away the most “talented” player in the NBA. Emotional and maturity issues? Sure, you bet. But there is no way the Kings would trade Cousins for anyone short of a few players like a Pau Gasol, Dwight Howard. It might seem crazy, but that’s my point: They would only trade Cousins to make a lateral move, and Andersen/Chandler are not only unilateral moves, they don’t really help the Kings compete for something substantial (like a championship) in 3 or 4 years. Cousins may or may not do so, but you won’t know unless he’s still around in 3 or 4 years.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I meant to say that Cuz is the most talented of Cousins, Thornton Chandler and Andersen.
While we’re on the topic, I wouldn’t trade Thornton for either Chandler or Andersen regardless of his own RFA status. Thornton has the potential to be a nice long term fit for the Kings and is only 24 years old. There is no reason for them to not try and resign him to a long term deal.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Pookey, yes Talent is King
But Talent is hard to discern. It’s clear on LeBron or Kobe but degree of talent and potential gets fuzzy with players like Cousins.
And execs have gotten fired for lavishing money on head cases too. (See the Knicks and their obese head case E Curry, for ex).
Also, we are not “reasoning” anything with Cousins. It’s what we see. I see a great talent from neck down. I’m not sure about neck up.
Also, come on Pookey, cool down. I dont know who you are not calling an idiot but you go on to write about someone’s faulty and pointless reasoning. Sounds like you’re calling someone an idiot to me.
There is no way I would ever trade DeMarcus Cousins for Chris Andersen.
And, if you try to push that Andersen is a good guy, isn’t he the same guy who got kicked out of the NBA for using a “banned substance?.”
You want to push character issue’s with Cousins? Fine. But don’t tell me Chris Andersen is that good of a guy when he’s had run in’s with the law (something Cousins hasn’t had) and has been banned from the NBA for a time for steroid use (something Cousins hasn’t done yet).
Every single piece of reasoning you used to justify for the Kings trading Cousins has nothing to do with reality and everything to do with you wanting him. I get that part, but just own up to it.
Even if I hated Chris Andersen (which I don’t—I think it’s a good thing he’s gotten himself back on track), I wouldn’t trade Andersen for Cousins. Cousins is 21 years old & Andersen is 32 years old. That’s a bad trade on age alone. That doesn’t even mention Andersen’s multi-year contract that is more expensive than Cousins. The Kings are not in the Nuggets position as they were last season for, among other things, the Nuggets were a playoff team with Carmelo Anthony and remained so after trading him. If the Nuggets remain a playoff team for an entire season post Anthony, than we will agree the Nuggets will be better long term.
However, calling Wilson Chandler, Danilo Galinari and Timofey Mozgov scrubs is a bit silly. That’s not actually true; they just aren’t superstarish players like Melo.
Last but not least, I’m not angry. I just think your reasoning on why the Kings would trade Cuz is both faulty and pointless. A) they aren’t trading him because they see him as a building block. B) They certainly won’t trade Cuz for Chris Andersen, Wilson Chandler, Timofey Mozgov or all 3 in reality. The Kings franchise certainly see’s Cuz as more valuable than those 3 combined.
I don’t find it insulting that you think DeMarcus Cousins is talented. I also don’t find it insulting that you would use half baked reasoning for a player you want. I do find it amusing that you think I’m angry you would conjure up such a scenario and then bring up pointless instances (like Eddy Curry or Jerome James—something Cuz, Andersen or Mozgov for that matter, are all not) justifying your point. Cuz is on a rookie contract and that’s among the best value you can get for a player of any real worth.
You want to think I’m calling you an idiot? Okay fine. Think what you want. But if I just wanted to call you an idiot, I’d have called you an idiot. It takes a lot less words and is not difficult to misinterpret. Apparently claiming that you have faulty and pointless reasoning is a synonym for calling someone an idiot. I must have missed that memo 2 days ago.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Sep 2, 2011 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
come on, we don't need anymore trades
our team was solid in 25 games last year, and the additions of Jordan hamilton, kenneth Faried, along with the miller for felton swap only make us stronger. Let’s give this team a chance before we explore more trades. In fact the only rational move we can explore is moving Al Harrington.
P.S. Cousins is untouchable right now to SAC
But what Ty is saying is
We at least need to give plan A a full try
Well said Ty
Woah guys
I’m not suggesting any trades or what not. This is just a viable option if Nene were to leave and if the Nuggets organization wanted to fill a void. Demarcus would make a very good recover if Nene were to leave
That's a terrible trade for the Kings.
Just awful.
Give up a guy with tremendous potential and a rising young SG who provides instant offense and averaged 20 ppg for them and is only making 700k for another swingman and Chris Anderson, a guy who played 45 games and averaged 6 ppg and 5 rpg last season?
I know Sacramento doesn’t have the greatest management, but they wouldn’t even consider this trade at all.
And Chandler just signed with a team in China so I think it might be difficult to trade him.
I think Denver still retains Chandler's rights
So theoretically they could trade that. But I don’t how/if his salary would work in a trade scenario.
2 things
A) No way the Kings would ever S&T a player to a contract without gaining his services immediately. (Which is a possibility in Chandler’s case.)
B) You can’t S&T a Free Agent’s rights to a player either. That isn’t allowed in the previous CBA and won’t be allowed in the next CBA either. One set of rules on when you can’t trade players. The specific rule in question.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I know Sacramento doesn’t have the greatest management, but they wouldn’t even consider this trade at al
Uh, huh and the Nugs wouldnt have traded Melo for the Knicks whole team until they had to. Bottom line →Nugs improved, knicks stunk. And, Cousins isnt as good as Melo, at least not yet.
P.S. I’d rather have Cousins than Melo anywho.
I thought D. Howard was signing here?
No was Sac trades for a couple scrubs. Hamilton will replace Chandler though so it would be nice to get something for him.
As a Kings fan.....
…..I’m just going to say this: I hope you were not high off crack, meth, coke, pot, LSD and alcohol. Because if you think the Kings ever consider that proposal, you are crazy (or exceptionally high of cosmic proportions). But as I write this, all I’ve seen is the basic proposal and not the justifications of the proposed trade (which I don’t really need to see but will read anyway).
Now having read this…
A) Sacramento has said (which may or may not mean anything admittedly since nothing the Maloofs say is something I would deem as trustworthy and Petrie has said little on the topic for public record—which also means nothing because Petrie rather says anything of substance on the record without having to read between the lines), they wish to re-sign Thornton and Dalembert. If you read the caveat above, you will understand that there is local skepticism (as there should be) about such a prospect. I personally believe the Kings have said they want to, but will believe it totally when it happens.
B) Saying that I don’t trust Sacramento will resign a player is not an indictment of management as the Maloofs. I don’t trust them, and nothing they’ve done (or will do most likely in the future) gives me any reason to do so. On the otherhand, most of the Kings management is in their 60’s. For many of them this is something of a last hurrah. It would behoove them to try and resign Thornton and Dalembert, and, for that matter, try to acquire a Free Agent, ironically, like Nene. Whether that happens? I have no clue. But I can see it being a very plausible reality because Nene wants his money and the Kings have more cap space than any other team in the NBA if a free agent period ever begins. Plus, they also have 2 young bigs in Jason Thompson and JJ Hickson that could entice Denver in a S&T. Not saying it will happen as there is too many dynamics in play on both sides, but it’s a possibility assuming there is a season. (I have a hunch there will be. The only question is how many games.)
3) DeMarcus Cousins is either considered an A) franchise player or B) all-star caliber big man by Kings management and fans alike. Trading him not only would be unpopular, but calls for firing the entire basketball staff promptly would ensue. Trade & DeMarcus Cousins is not a part of any Kings fan lexicon and will be met with sound opposition on that sole basis. (FWIW, I am considered a Cousins hater by many Kings fans.) Personally, I don’t think the Kings went through with the trials and tribulations with Cousins to give up on him after his rookie season for a journeyman big like Andersen and a solid (but not great) Sf in Chandler who arguably isn’t better than John Salmons whom the Kings acquired at draft time. (This is debatable. Both have their strengths and weaknesses.)
4) In reality, I can guarantee the only likely trade between Denver and Sacramento includes Nene and some combination of Jason Thompson/JJ Hickson and possibly someone like Hassan Whiteside. Outside of that, I would personally guarantee and bet everything I own against a trade that involved any trade of Cousins coming to Denver. Even if that trade included Nene.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Aug 31, 2011 9:32 AM MDT reply actions 3 recs
If I was a Nuggets fan..
…I’d find the scenario just as laughable. There is no way the Nuggets are getting Thornton unless they offer him a large deal in RFA (always possible), and there is no way the Nuggets are getting Cousins in almost any scenario (I suppose there is one but not one I can think of).
But being a Kings fan has nothing to do with thinking that the original trade proposed is a silly and pointless idea.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
haha, every team says they want to resign their free agents during the offseason
I’ve never seen any GM say, phew thank god that guy is gone. 2nd, if the nuggets could give 5 years to knucklehead yet talented JR and 5 years and possibly more when this lockout lifts, then there is no reason for Sac to do that to Cousins.
I feel for you kings fan, as long as those Maloofs have financial problems, your team won’t go very far. I know the nuggets of the 90s had financial issues. Look at their records. Yuck better not.
have you read ty's recent interview?
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/nuggets/story/2011-08-31/Next-up-for-Lawson-Continuing-his-pro-career-in-Lithuania/50207788/1
Basically Ty says they(nuggets)signed JR Smith
NOt seeing how that's possible as the teams are not allowed to even talk to the players right now
let alone complete a signing/extension.
by blooming rock on Sep 2, 2011 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Masai said he had positive talks with JR and his reps before the draft
I’m guessing they came to a verbal agreement then. Jr’s physical contact will come once the lockout finishes. Of course that is if you believe Ty, and since players can talk to each other, it’s good info until proven otherwise
Yes but Thornton is 24 years old.
That matters a lot seeing as the franchise player (or a player who probably is the closest to qualifying as such) in Tyreke Evans and Thornton have a decent chance of fitting together. Thornton put up quality numbers in his 27 games as a King, and that matters a lot to people inside the Kings organization. They were very happy with his effort and attitude on both ends of the court.
The Maloofs have financial problems sure, but whether that means they won’t resign Thornton is not something I can say for sure won’t happen. In fact, most people who do have sources within the team have passed along that management sees Thornton as a key piece of the future. If they didn’t think so, I don’t think the Kings would have ever traded Beno Udrih away at draft time.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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This is ridiculous.
Of course he wants the payday, but he knows he won’t get it and he knows he wasn’t worth the last one. You can’t fault a guy for signing a big contract when it’s offered, buy Kenyon isn’t stupid. He wants MLE money, and IF he can stay healthy he is worth it.
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by love4nuggets on Sep 1, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Haha.
Me, I’d just like my first!
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by love4nuggets on Sep 1, 2011 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
what about this trade if it whent down?
wc for fields&shumpert
thats not so bad though the main benefit I think would be the smaller contracts
and we’ve got plenty of money now.
Also I don’t know if we’d need Shumpert if we’re keeping JR around long term.
by InboundingLobPass on Sep 4, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions
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